Time  Nick             Message
20:33 slef             when you use build-git-snapshot does it save the git changelog since the last version tag in the build anywhere?
20:14 cait             still no huginn eh?
20:14 cait             bug 100
20:14 cait             are you getting bored?
19:57 * oleonard       foolishly wonders how hard it would be to rebuild the patron card creator in JavaScript
19:36 caroline_catlady lol!
19:33 oleonard         I like that there is a barcode format called "daft."
19:05 reiveune         bye
19:04 caroline_catlady rangi++
19:03 rangi            done
18:59 caroline_catlady thx rangi!
18:59 rangi            will do caroline_catlady
18:41 oleonard         khall_: Around?
18:36 oleonard         Add barcode image generator service for OPAC https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26692
18:36 * oleonard       shakes his fist at missing huginn
18:35 * oleonard       forgot about Bug 26692
17:56 * oleonard       wonders why we offer the barcode types we do.... several others are in the code and commented out
17:55 oleonard         gmcharlt: around?
17:54 * oleonard       should have @seened chris_n anyway
17:54 oleonard         Oh dang is that huginn too?
17:53 oleonard         @seen chrisn
17:05 cait             but yes, we worked on 20.05 and are finished for now - so hence wanting to update before moving on to 20.11
17:05 cait             oh sorry, got pulled into something here
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16:53 caroline_catlady I just emailed Bernardo, I put you (cait and ashimema) in cc
16:52 ashimema         there will be in a minute if I can work it out
16:51 caroline_catlady ah, maybe it didn't work because there are no 20.11 po files right now
16:48 ashimema         I'll have another go
16:48 ashimema         I ran it for 20.11
16:48 ashimema         ok
16:47 caroline_catlady Translation update - Koha manual 20.05 - 20210301 (2021-03-01 13:15:06 -0300)
16:47 caroline_catlady    20.05
16:46 ashimema         what version did you translate cait?
16:44 caroline_catlady Yeah, I don't see the merge button... It's like there is a merge request without a commit
16:44 ashimema         ffs
16:44 ashimema         except.. it already says it can't be merged..
16:43 ashimema         just clikg the merge button
16:43 ashimema         what you will see is a merge request in gitlab
16:43 ashimema         you won't get the email this time.. I put my own in to test it.
16:43 caroline_catlady Do I have to do seomthing once I get the email?
16:42 ashimema         it just worked for me
16:42 ashimema         not sure what cait did..
16:42 ashimema         merge request is there now caroline
16:42 caroline_catlady [off] I was on the verge of burnout in the fall because of them, so they can stay in their frickin cave foerever imo... Fortunalely, I have a good boss who took some of the burden along with me
16:40 oleonard         [off] Like a dragon gone back to their cave to sleep
16:39 caroline_catlady [off] our grumpy client is on hiatus for a while, so I have a bit more time/less stress right now, so I can work a bit more on community stuff
16:38 caroline_catlady yeah... sorry :/
16:38 ashimema         problem with this stuff is we write it and then no-one uses it for 6 months
16:38 ashimema         looking at why merge request didn't happen
16:34 oleonard         I wonder if there has been any call for more barcode types in the patron card creator tool
16:33 ashimema         they're growing in size quickly now.. with each translation duplicating all the images etc
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16:32 ashimema         but yes.. eventually it will be a problem again if we don't start archiving off the old manuals somehow
16:32 ashimema         wizzyrea doubled the disk for us
16:31 caroline_catlady she did the pull request from the tool, but It's not creating a merge request in the manual repo
16:31 caroline_catlady cait and I are trying to get the new de-DE translations into the manual
16:30 caroline_catlady hi!
16:29 ashimema         hi
16:29 caroline_catlady we got the bigger disc from wizzyrea, but eventually, it's going to be a problem again, i think
16:28 cait             it might be solved by bigger disc? but not sure
16:28 cait             probably need ashimema for this one
16:28 cait             but that would resolve some issues
16:28 cait             oh not sure
16:28 cait             sorry, i think I was not around for that discussion
16:25 caroline_catlady I think we wanted to point from koha-community.org directly to his manusl, was that it?
16:24 caroline_catlady cait do you remember what was the other thing I had to ask Bernardo? About the duplication of koha-community.org/manual vs translate.koha-community.org/*manual
16:20 cait             caroline_catlady: we had a bit of help, but even then it takes long and it needs a proof reading - stuff like broken links slip in quickly
16:19 caroline_catlady I got the email from the pull request, but it didn't create a merge request in the manual
16:18 caroline_catlady at least if you're up to date, future translations should be quicker
16:18 caroline_catlady ashimema around?
16:17 caroline_catlady I know, I'm so disenhearted by our manual (in fr-CA), its so much work I don't even know where to begin
16:16 cait             and it took forever :)
16:16 cait             we now got all chapters translted but systempreferences and license...
16:15 cait             it did finish
16:14 caroline_catlady I think maybe ashimema did it more recently to set up the automatisation
16:14 caroline_catlady caroline.cyr-la-rose@inlibro.com
16:14 cait             hm ok, then it might explain it, i will check again once merged
16:14 caroline_catlady you can put in my email
16:14 caroline_catlady I did it in december
16:13 cait             shuld i put your email or mine?
16:13 cait             do you know when that was last done? becuase the translations on the website seemed quite old compared with bernardo's preview
16:13 caroline_catlady yeah it's for evertyhing
16:13 cait             thank you!
16:13 caroline_catlady no, I keep forgetting... I'll add it to my to-do priority for today
16:13 cait             hm you don't have to give the language, that' sok?
16:12 cait             the next question: have you talked to Bernardo about po files for 20.11 yet?
16:12 caroline_catlady it should automatiqucally create a merge request in the manual repo
16:12 cait             ok, I will give it a go
16:12 caroline_catlady https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/
16:11 caroline_catlady 1 sec
16:11 caroline_catlady You can create a pull request... I just have to find you the link
16:11 * oleonard       knows caroline_catlady has such a bad reputation for her temper ;)
16:11 cait             do you do that or should i create a pull request somehow?
16:11 cait             I think we are finished with manual po for 20.05 now - how do I get those into the main repo and then on the website? :)
16:11 caroline_catlady though the fact that I need to be in a good mood kinda scares me
16:10 caroline_catlady course
16:10 caroline_catlady of source
16:10 cait             do you have a moment for 2 questions? :)
16:10 cait             caroline_catlady: now that I have mentioned icecream and you are in agood mood
16:08 tcohen           of course
16:07 oleonard         I did reading that question
16:07 slef             Does everyone else get the Bowie song in their head when they see the starman process running or is it just me?
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15:46 caroline_catlady huginn is gone?
15:46 caroline_catlady hm
15:45 caroline_catlady @later tell rangi now that the server issues are resolved, can you change the link for the "latest" manual to point to 20.11?
15:45 caroline_catlady @leter tell rangi now that the server issues are resolved, can you change the link for the "latest" manual to point to 20.11?
15:40 caroline_catlady looks nice!
15:39 caroline_catlady oleonard: your hypothesis makes more sense, but I prefer cait's :P
15:39 oleonard         I was thinking it would be nice to let the user know what steps were coming up: https://snipboard.io/mDg9i1.jpg
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15:36 oleonard         I guess if your sysadmin is installing Koha the term won't sound too weird.
15:35 oleonard         I suspect the usage passed from "flavors of Unix" to "flavors of Linux" to "flavors of MARC"
15:33 caroline_catlady Cookie dough MARC
15:32 caroline_catlady icecream++
15:31 cait             oleonard: maybe... they were thinking of making it sound nicer... this way it makes you forget about the MARC part and think about icecream?
13:52 cait             TomothyAlexis++
13:52 cait             and thx for forwarding my message!
13:51 cait             it was great to "get out" a little bit :)
13:50 TimothyAlexis    Thank you for the presentation.
13:50 TimothyAlexis    It was nice to see you and I think it is good for everyone to get some motivation to contribute.
13:48 TimothyAlexis    cait: Done ;)
13:48 oleonard         Who started referring to it as a "MARC flavor" ? I've come to the sudden realization that that is weird.
13:41 oleonard         cait: I'm sending this message back in time so that we don't create a paradox
13:40 cait             Joubu++
13:39 cait             thx
13:38 cait             ths one looks very suspicious at least!
13:34 Joubu            cait: 27099 maybe?
13:28 cait             oh, fixed with 20.05 at least
13:26 cait             i hate those :(
13:26 cait             oleonard-away: got a nice new bug report - the button for doing batch due date change is not displaying in chrome
13:24 tcohen           as an intermediate storage/cache
13:23 tcohen           slef maybe we should start using gitlab's artifact repo
13:23 cait             TimothyAlexis: I didn't realize before that you worked with Maria - can you say hi from me? I saw her comment at the meeting, but didn't get to respond :)
13:21 cait             oh oops.... scroll down first, cait
13:21 cait             slef: is there none on debian.kc.org?
13:15 TimothyAlexis    If I want to add this <select> to the holds-table.inc, is there anything I need to think about in opac-user.pl ?
13:14 oleonard         I'm fine with that too, I just didn't think it mattered that much if it was still there
13:14 Joubu            oleonard: mine was removing the redirect actually
13:13 Joubu            thanks oleonard, I was about to attach a patch :)
13:13 TimothyAlexis    What are these? "options_for_libraries" and "at_least_one_library_not_available_for_pickup"
13:12 oleonard         Joubu: I've attached a suggested revision.
13:12 TimothyAlexis    Currently I'm looking at 20.05.03
13:11 tcohen           in which Koha version?
13:11 TimothyAlexis    I'm looking at opac-reserve.pl and opac-reserve.tt to check the logic for the pick up location <select> element.
13:03 oleonard         I see that cait made a similar comment on the bug
12:58 oleonard         Joubu: to be honest I think we should remove the text about the redirect. Why have it at this stage of the process? What's it for?
12:55 Joubu            otherwise it's like the 2 actions are unrelated
12:55 * oleonard       will look now
12:54 Joubu            IMO we are missing the "if not" part
12:54 Joubu            oleonard: do you agree with the patches on 27473?
12:47 tcohen           great album
12:47 slef             oleonard: go north
12:46 oleonard         slef: You thought you had a magical bag of holding but it turns out it just empties into my junk drawer.
12:45 slef             oleonard: what are you doing with the contents of my saddlebag?
12:43 oleonard         Hi slef. Sorry, all I've got here is a Scrabble tile with the letter E (1 point), a 1984 50-cent coin, and a 64MB SanDisk SmartMedia camera memory card.
12:42 slef             https://download.koha-community.org/old_releases/ contains the tarballs not debs... or I could build it from clean git... hmm
12:40 slef             (I think someone has been editing a koha without leaving notes...)
12:39 slef             Has anyone a copy of koha-common_19.05.04*.deb cached anywhere that they can let me download, please?
12:39 tcohen           hi slef!
12:38 slef             tcohen: good $TZAG
12:37 tcohen           morning
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11:49 TimothyAlexis    oleonard++
11:48 TimothyAlexis    If anyone notices the syntax error in what I posted at [12:38], I've fixed it...
11:46 TimothyAlexis    That's a better description.
11:44 pastebot         "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "TimothyAlexis: My suggestion:" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27945
11:43 pastebot         "TimothyAlexis" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Is this correct for opac.pref?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27944
11:42 TimothyAlexis    Also, I'm wondering if 'suspended' should be one of the options. We don't use that one at our library.
11:40 oleonard         Hi #koha
11:38 TimothyAlexis    ('OpacAllowPickupLocationChange','','Pending, In-Transit, Suspended','Allow patrons to change pickup location for these statuses.).','multiple'),
11:38 TimothyAlexis    How should this system preference be written in opac.pref?
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11:22 ashimema         I like bug 27267 but am imagining finding someone to QA it could be challenging.
11:21 ashimema         humm.. anyone here familiar with IPC and forking/threading...
11:07 ashimema         ooh.. good point
11:06 fridolin         some other hooks are missing there
11:06 fridolin         https://github.com/bywatersolutions/dev-koha-plugin-kitchen-sink/pull/15 for our beloved plugin
11:01 ashimema         it was written with the recalls plugin in mind
10:59 cait             fridolin++
10:59 ashimema         we had a copy of it I used whilst testing.. I must have forgotten to squash in the use fix for the bugzilla entry.. and no-one noticed
10:58 ashimema         in production I reckon yes, it didn't work
10:56 fridolin         https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27820
10:56 wahanui          no idea, fridolin
10:56 fridolin         wahanui:  ?
10:56 fridolin         Bug 27820 this feature never worked :)
10:43 cait             anti-spam email config is so annoying
10:43 cait             (not me) heh
10:43 cait             maybe someone could email gmcharlt?
10:42 cait             ah I see :)
10:42 ashimema         dashboard random quotes
10:42 cait             hm? where did my quote come from?
10:36 Joubu            ha, indeed
10:35 ashimema         no bots :(
10:35 Joubu            bots, I pushed things!
10:34 ashimema         I was laying down the gauntlet.. don't want to make it too hard for people :P
10:33 ashimema         hahah
10:33 Joubu            :D
10:33 Joubu            I am sure you can do better
10:33 Joubu            it's a fragile one, it's only "1"!
10:30 wahanui          i think https://dashboard.koha-community.org/ is up again :D
10:30 ashimema         https://dashboard.koha-community.org/
10:30 ashimema         occupation complete :)
10:20 ashimema         just need to find a bug to rescue now and my occupation will be complete.. mwhahaha....
10:15 ashimema         okies.. thanks
10:14 Joubu            no
10:10 ashimema         is `Alvaro Cornejo` new?
10:01 ashimema         full circle on PQA and FQA.. first of the month makes this easy.. hehe
09:49 ashimema         That's gotta be cait
09:49 ashimema         ' i can not not plan! i am german!'
09:42 ashimema         this patch is pretty good.. but I'm finding lots of little hard to spot edge cases.
09:42 ashimema         I feel mean
09:31 cait             good catch
09:30 cait             ah I see
09:28 ashimema         problem is.. I tihnk that relation will explode in some cases where the key's are broken
09:27 ashimema         but what it does do is add a dbic relation
09:27 ashimema         it doesn't..
09:27 cait             to #koha - checking version numbers on our demos now to update website, if you plan an update or want it updated within the month, let me know https://koha-community.org/demo/
09:26 cait             i would not even have thought of a database chance in there
09:25 cait             does it constrain?
09:25 cait             oh
09:25 ashimema         me too
09:25 cait             i really miss that bot
09:24 ashimema         I think bug 22690 is a fqa then
09:24 cait             don't disagree there
09:24 ashimema         which is a right pain
09:24 ashimema         we can't add it because we use the deleted tables stuff
09:24 ashimema         your right
09:23 cait             and as i can not get it otherwiese, we cannot add the constraint now i think
09:23 cait             i want theinformation
09:23 cait             no
09:23 ashimema         so you actually want broken relationships
09:23 cait             that's a discussion for another day
09:23 ashimema         god damn I hate our 'delete_' tables
09:22 cait             and you can unbreak it... it's only broken because of our split table design
09:22 cait             i am pretty usre i use that connection in our inventory book reports
09:22 cait             we want to know why an item was deleted, it being connected to a cancelled order is valuable
09:22 ashimema         as in... it's really odd to have a link table where links can be broken
09:21 cait             so ... i think this could be a reason
09:21 cait             if you break the connection, we lose the information about orders from deleted items
09:21 cait             i think there are reasons to keep it
09:21 cait             i mean how do you want to constrain it?
09:21 cait             in which way?
09:16 ashimema         or rather.. aqorders_item and items
09:15 ashimema         can anyone here see a reason not to add a proper constraint between aqorders and items?
09:09 Joubu            @later tell mtj we need a fix for 26893 ASAP, please give me some updates about it
09:09 Joubu            mtj: we need a fix for 26893 ASAP, please give me some updates about it
09:09 Joubu            mtj: ?
09:02 Joubu            we can fix and test more carefully, yes
08:57 cait             so it might be more disruptive than fixing?
08:57 cait             Joubu: we can revert, but will it remove lines from crontabs? I just merged ours and never sure how that works for people that use standard packages
08:56 ashimema         I actually thought we exported cronlogaction from Koha::Script.. but it appears not
08:54 Joubu            If it hasn't been tested it must be reverted from stable
08:53 ashimema         mm
08:53 cait             and is in the standard crontab... i think push the fix fast and then care about the future :)
08:53 Joubu            for next cycle I'd say
08:53 cait             this enh hs been backported
08:52 ashimema         but I have no idea when or if anyone is going to commit to that
08:52 ashimema         I'm still torn about this one now... I'd really like to see a team effort for getting the task queue viable and usable as a schedular
08:52 ashimema         grr
08:52 ashimema         maybe no-one tested it after.. I wouldnt' surprise me that I managed to miss our a final merged commit with the use statement so it worked locally but the patch was bad
08:51 ashimema         Well, in the end I never implemented/updated the plugins  I wrote it for to use it.. as it was ended up way more contentious than I thought.. I had a local test plugin I used to test it when i wrote it
08:50 cait             not sure if that would do it i didn't touch that one myself
08:50 cait             maybe logs were turned off?
08:50 Joubu            ashimema: I am a bit worried about this one. The cronaction statement is there since the first patch. Does it mean the patch never got tested correctly?
08:45 cait             gmcharlt: are you around and could you bring back our beloved huginn bot? :)
08:45 cait             which bot are we missing? huginn?
08:44 ashimema         just QAing bug 22690 at the minute
08:44 ashimema         will get onto it later today
08:44 cait             :)
08:44 ashimema         oopsie on my part.. can't imagine how I left out the use line
08:44 ashimema         yup
08:44 cait1            found it?
08:43 ashimema         lol
08:43 cait1            will I ever get a bug number right on hte first try?
08:43 cait1            27820
08:43 cait1            hm typoed
08:43 cait1            bug 27829
08:43 ashimema         I don't see a bug with that number cait1
08:42 ashimema         27829?
08:42 ashimema         Mornin' #koha
08:04 cait1            good morning #koha
08:03 wahanui          bidet, Joubu
08:03 Joubu            Hi there
07:52 alex_a           Bonjour
07:52 magnuse          \o/
07:52 cait             first timer bug fix on bug 27829! This is no practice! :)
07:33 wahanui          que tal, reiveune
07:33 reiveune         hello