Time  Nick           Message
00:28 liliputech_asu hi koha
02:45 liliputech_asu bonjour inlibro j'ai retesté bz 14784 il y a encore des tests unitaires qui ne passent pas. j'ai vu que charles farmer avait repris ce bz, bon courage à lui!
06:12 reiveune       hello
06:12 wahanui        hello, reiveune
07:43 alex_a         Bonjour
07:59 liliputech     bonjour
08:00 liliputech     !later tell ashimema i've put some new on BZ 7376, if you have some time to check it out (also cait1 )
08:03 cait1          with@ :)
08:03 cait1          bug 7376
08:03 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7376 major, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Needs Signoff , Transfer limits should be checked at check-in
08:05 liliputech     oh ^^ thanks cait1 :)
08:05 liliputech     @later tell ashimema i've put some new on BZ 7376, if you have some time to check it out (also cait1 )
08:05 huginn         liliputech: The operation succeeded.
08:06 * liliputech   spends too much time talking to bots, not enough with humans so it seems
08:16 liliputech     hi paul_p_ , hi lds
08:19 cait1          :)
08:21 liliputech     @quote random
08:21 huginn         liliputech: Quote #152: "gmcharlt: Koha: unifying the world one library at a time" (added by wizzyrea at 02:19 PM, September 13, 2011)
08:21 liliputech     :)
08:21 liliputech     :)
08:21 liliputech     @quote random
08:21 huginn         liliputech: Quote #324: "<LibraryClaire> we had to improvise to get across switzerland" (added by magnuse at 09:03 AM, October 18, 2016)
08:21 liliputech     haha
08:21 liliputech     @quote random
08:22 huginn         liliputech: Quote #122: "<member:oleonard>Everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver" (added by wizzyrea at 03:01 PM, March 30, 2011)
08:22 liliputech     @quote random
08:22 huginn         liliputech: Quote #122: "<member:oleonard>Everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver" (added by wizzyrea at 03:01 PM, March 30, 2011)
08:22 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn.
08:22 liliputech     @quote random
08:22 huginn         liliputech: Quote #125: "<oleonard> gmcharlt: Or I could fill the tub with milk and cereal and lock them in the bathroom." (added by gmcharlt at 01:14 PM, April 06, 2011)
08:22 liliputech     haha nice ^^
08:26 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 27673: Fix t/Context.t <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=02b056508df4c4e7e3eb33a5f354300339e8048d>
08:47 ashimema       wha...
08:47 ashimema       milk in a bath.. yuk
08:47 kohaputti      anybody want to help with fixing some checkout problems (whether a patron can checkout a book or not is a bit buggy and lots of logic duplication)? I have few refactoring and bug fixes in my head and will start writing them to source files if I find interested people. Asking because the C4/Circulation.pm and C4/Reserves.pm is very prone to merge conflicts. This refactoring i have in mind would also help reducing the chances of
08:47 kohaputti      conflicts in future.
08:48 ashimema       I'm totally on board with that
08:48 ashimema       and totally owe you a big and painful QA run... C4/Circulation would certainly count
08:50 kohaputti      whee, I guess I could be brave enough to start fixing it with one person interested in signing-off :) Let's see what I will have by the end of day.
08:50 ashimema       I could possibly talk Sally into that.. she's pretty good regards testing..
08:51 ashimema       or/and AndrewFH
08:51 ashimema       or/and severine_q
08:51 ashimema       for me.. those are the strongest SO team :)
08:52 ashimema       I reckon I could bend kidclamps are for QA too as a backup.. Circ is a big scary place :)
08:57 ashimema       liliputech_asu++ #bug rescue
08:59 liliputech     ashimema: ur welcome, thanks for ur attention on that one in the first place :)
09:03 kohaputti      Joubu, I decided it was best to leave out the bug 22569 from the reviews at this time because that change was quite complicated, I noticed your comment number 46 there and most of the issues you raised there was due to the patches in this bug 22569 only and not on the dependent ones.
09:03 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22569 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Add a 'Transfers to send' report
09:04 kohaputti      Joubu, just saying this in case you are holding back on pushing the dependend bugs because of this, maybe it would be better to push bug 22569 only later when QA has reviewed it
09:05 Joubu          kohaputti: ok, thanks
09:06 Joubu          kohaputti: About the circ refactoring - start with opening bug reports, to tell us what exactly is in your head ;)
09:08 ashimema       Sorry I was off the last couple of days so haven't got to Joubu's comments yet
09:08 ashimema       but yeah.. those final two patches, bug 22569 haven't been through QA yet.. I have cait lined up
09:08 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22569 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Add a 'Transfers to send' report
09:09 ashimema       but.. thanks for the review anyways.. means I can start taking care of things :)
09:09 ashimema       I'll just finish reviewing bug 7376 than jump back onto my own bugs 😉 :)
09:09 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7376 major, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Needs Signoff , Transfer limits should be checked at check-in
09:10 liliputech     ashimema++
09:11 kohaputti      Joubu, The bugs already have bug reports, although I don't think we have issues for logic duplications. I find bugzilla model kinda hard to work with when doing changes that do not relate to specific issues but just enhance code quality (like removing duplicated logic).
09:12 Joubu          why is bugz model a problem in that case?
09:14 kohaputti      Joubu, hmm maybe there is no problem, I was thinking release notes and dependency fields in BZ, but in release notes I could list all the improvements/fixes from the patches attached to that bug report
09:16 kohaputti      Like if I attach a series of patches to just one report and it fixes dozen other bug reports we have we can just probably add those as duplicate later when the series is pushed
09:16 kohaputti      so I think I can make it work
09:16 kohaputti      The circ bug reports I see are many times due to same root cause
09:18 ashimema       Hmm, i had that issue with some of the accounts stuff.. in places I ended up fixing bugs I wasn't even aware of without specifically meaning to..
09:18 ashimema       I keep finding old reports where I suddenly realise I've already fixed it.. and I end up marking them as resolved fixed with a link.. but that of course never make it into a release notes set.
09:19 ashimema       not sure how another system would better that though.. think it's unfortunately just part of the game
09:20 kohaputti      Another system I had in mind was to keep bug reports separate from reviewing and handling patches
09:21 kohaputti      It's what I'm used to elsewhere
09:21 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
09:21 wahanui        Congratulations!
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09:21 kohaputti      that's why I probably feel it more intuitive
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09:22 magnuse        did we know the national libraries of greece and cyprus use koha?
09:22 ashimema       greece yes.. wasn't aware cyprus did
09:22 liliputech     nice
09:23 magnuse        coolio
09:23 ashimema       with these transfer limits liliputech
09:23 liliputech     indexing καλημέρα should be a challenge :)
09:23 Joubu          kohaputti: I am excited by the idea of 1 patch that fixes them all, submit! :D
09:23 Joubu          (well, write it before)
09:24 liliputech     ashimema: yes? o:)
09:24 kohaputti      Joubu, series of patches, coming right up :)
09:24 ashimema       should we not allow a patron to return their item to a library that restricts transfers to it so long as it doesn't restrict a transfer back from it..
09:24 ashimema       my brain hurts trying to describe that
09:25 liliputech     hooo, i suddenly understand why the licencing is "GNU" (actually the sound i did produce while trying to understand your last one)
09:26 liliputech     describe what "it" means in your sentence may make it easier to understand :)
09:27 ashimema       Limit = A -> B not allowed
09:27 ashimema       Should a Patron be allowed to return an item to B
09:27 ashimema       There is not limit from B -> A.. so the item can make it's way home OK
09:28 ashimema       or.. are you intentionally restricting checkin in both directions..
09:28 liliputech     hum. maybe. it should be allowed to return to B.
09:28 ashimema       :)
09:28 liliputech     I was strugling with same question yesterday :)
09:28 ashimema       I can fix it with a QA followup
09:29 ashimema       haha.. yeah.. it's really not obvious is it.
09:29 liliputech     hehe, nup!
09:36 ashimema       I think we need to take account of  the 'returnbranch' circulation rule
09:37 ashimema       I don't think we shoulc block for an 'OR' case...
09:37 ashimema       or not block for the OR
09:38 ashimema       Let me add a followup and then the code will speak for itself
09:38 liliputech     ashimema yes please :)
09:39 liliputech     cant visio now but if needed can be planned
09:40 liliputech     keyboard is a slow interface to have a discussion ;)
09:41 ashimema       :)
09:41 ashimema       leave it with me :)
09:43 liliputech     thanks, ping when followup is ready :)
09:43 liliputech     (actually given there will be no hackfest we should have one on the internet sometime)
09:45 liliputech     i mean, i don't know if paul_p has decided something but i *guess* it won't physically happen this year.
09:57 Joubu          really, why that???
09:57 Joubu          @karma covid
09:57 huginn         Joubu: covid has neutral karma.
09:57 Joubu          really?
09:57 Joubu          covid--
09:57 Joubu          covid-- ^100
10:15 nlegrand       Salut #koha!
10:34 liliputech     Ohayo gozaimasu nlegrand, daijobu desu ka? :)
10:38 nlegrand       liliputech: 大丈夫ですよ!
10:41 nlegrand       Maybe for the next hackfest in Marseille I'll bring some chess and shogi games if there are some players :).
10:42 nlegrand       I'm longing so much for going to a hackfest in Marseille ^^
10:42 nlegrand       Or xiangqi or go also.
10:49 liliputech     nlegrand: those are games to spend a night on :) I only know chess and go actually
10:52 nlegrand       great!
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11:00 oleonard       Hi #koha
11:00 liliputech     nlegrand: those are game which can be played through internet :) but having stones in hands and clicking them on a board is nice! never tried online go (or chess)
11:00 nlegrand       o/ oleonard
11:01 liliputech     nlegrand: not sure there will be a hackfest in marseille this year... :( maybe hackfest online?
11:01 oleonard       liliputech: Those random quotes were really something!
11:02 nlegrand       liliputech: for chess lichess is opensource and excellent. For go I didn't try to play yet but I have an app to do some tsume from time to time.
11:04 nlegrand       liliputech: maybe in Automn?
11:04 liliputech     :)
11:05 liliputech     hi oleonard o/
11:16 * oleonard     finishes researching why he said those strange things and gets to work
12:11 oleonard       It would be cool if you could run an SQL report without saving it.
12:27 magnuse        hiya nlegrand
12:27 magnuse        covid--
12:30 liliputech     oleonard: you mean, like in an sql client? o:)
12:31 oleonard       Why not?
12:32 liliputech     huuuum... yup that actualy make quite sense... like a "try report" button and result would open in another tab/window so you keep the editing context?
12:33 liliputech     (without the hassle of configuring an sql client and network/permission overhead)
12:33 liliputech     the more i think about it, the more it sounds very nice. maybe a koha-plugin?
12:34 liliputech     (actually, very useful feature, deserves to get into master)
12:35 liliputech     only drawback i can think about is, you probably don't want to give anyone the possibility to create and run reports on your koha instance, performance and other things could break. i don't know the permissions in koha, are they different for editing and running a report?
12:36 oleonard       I believe so
12:36 liliputech     then testing a report should only be accessible to people with editing capabilities
12:36 liliputech     (I guess)
13:07 nlegrand       o/ magnuse
14:34 Joubu          kohaputti: if you are working on bug 27718, maybe you should fix on top of bug 27131
14:34 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27718 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds to Pull list doesn't respect holdallowed circulation rule anymore
14:34 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27131 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move code from circ/pendingreserves.pl to modules
14:35 kohaputti      Joubu, thanks, if I start working on fix I will keep it in mind.
14:36 kohaputti      currently trying to finish up the circ / reserve refactoring and fix patch series
14:45 ashimema       sorry liliputech.. it's been a long day
14:45 ashimema       Just pushed a couple of patches up to 7376
14:45 ashimema       I reckon we should squash a bunch of those soon.. we've gone round the houses a bit.. but I think what I've done there now achieves what has actually been asked for.
14:45 ashimema       right..
14:46 ashimema       onto my queue of mail.. I'm waaaaay behind today.
14:55 Joubu          kohaputti: I thought you were saying you were working on it. I will have a look now then
15:00 kohaputti      Joubu, I was working on it a bit, at least I found the root cause it was the holdallowed rule missing. I have still the the refactoring series work open and this bug report came to me from library so I paused it and send report in so we won't forget this issue.
15:01 kohaputti      Joubu, i saw you marked it as assigned now so thanks, I appreciate the help! :)
15:02 kohaputti      Joubu, you are so fast there is a patch pending sometimes from you before I even have opened $EDITOR and marked bug as assigned. :P
15:03 Joubu          sometimes it's easy, so I prefer to fix ASAP :)
15:14 Joubu          kohaputti: Here you go. Thanks for having forced me to move some code to a module. Now we have tests, and it's easy to add new ones :)
15:17 kohaputti      thanks!
15:24 Joubu          @later tell mtj Yesterday I pushed 27673, which introduces YAML::XS as a new deps. Look like Master_U16 is failing because of that. Do you think it's ok to drop U16 support for 21.05?
15:24 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24108: DBRev 20.12.00.013 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6bd75d6dcaf77a7d5b11c1eabcbdb17ae0f6e12a>
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26274: (QA follow-up) Fix the order of summary groups <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=02b9c904fee4f910fc71dcad1a473659830702d8>
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24108: Remove extra spaces <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0269d2b30ec3f0a90c57782229a575113c3dfc96>
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24108: (QA follow-up) Add staff detail page to syspref description <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f755c3ab150c1a530b63cad188d0171ae81efb0>
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24108: (QA follow-up) Add missing comma in sysprefs.sql <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=231b3487e225af66a4bade50249567a3c2048c9a>
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24108: Make export file names consistent <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=234cced91df51c2460152897f8c08e0b891d240c>
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24108: (QA follow-up) Adjust wording and use perl for update file <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b1f162dccfe0f7edc1505fc0648dfa7f7792ca8>
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24108: (follow-up) Fix typo with .xml extension <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88b751e54fef91ca69156ea02895d7dcdcafbf99>
15:31 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24108: Advanced editor: configure if biblionumber or control number is used for... <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=227077c43dee8f2837cceaa23f9a0d97d721f01e>
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16:58 kohaputti      decided to push the WIP patches for the refactoring of circ and hold stuff to bug 25690
16:58 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25690 normal, P5 - low, ---, joonas.kylmala, NEW , SIP should not allow to check out an item in transfer because of a hold to another patron
17:23 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
17:23 wahanui        Congratulations!
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17:28 lilipute1h     dude, it's not even 7pm and already a second pastis... subconscious says i'm missing marseille's camps... covid--
17:35 cait1          lilipute1h: not only you... just without pastis here
17:38 cait1          bye all
17:38 lilipute1h     @later tell cait1 well, in your place, there is Ströh (not sure i spell it right)
17:38 huginn         lilipute1h: The operation succeeded.
18:34 reiveune       bye
19:11 cait           Joubu: still around?
19:53 ashimema       @later tell kohaputti looks like we might be working in similar areas again.. I will definitely check out bug 25690 tomorrow.  I spotted some fun around reserves and transfers while doing some further review of transfers given Joubu's feedback
19:53 huginn         ashimema: The operation succeeded.
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20:34 * thd          returned from post office but the scheduled IRC meeting had not started.
20:36 oleonard       In my experience no one really wants meetings at this time :(
20:36 cait           oh
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20:38 thd            In New York City, with a totally broken economy, even the post office has no consistent open hours.
20:39 thd            If there is no meeting now I should go to the bank with ever shrinking hours.
20:39 * oleonard     just got a letter mailed almost exactly one month ago from two states over.
20:41 thd            The US Postal Service near New York is so short of staff that mail processing overflow has gone to Texas for spare processing capacity even if it is sent back to New York for local delivery.
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21:12 koha-jenkins   joubu: Bug 27154: Fix test if the cache is populated already
21:12 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27154 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to oldstable , Koha/Util/SystemPreferences.pm must be removed
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