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06:53 reiveune                hello
07:08 fridolin                hi
07:08 wahanui                 que tal, fridolin
07:29 alex_a                  Bonjour
08:15 cait1                   snow snow snow....
08:54 magnuse                 snow here too, first time this year we had a "proper" snowfall
09:27 cait1                   we never got that much as long as I can think of
09:27 cait1                   not in Kontanz to be more specific
09:30 ashimema                morning
09:31 ashimema                fridolin.. have you tested bug 27299 ?
09:31 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27299 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Signed Off , Zebra phrase register is incorrectly tokenized when using ICU
09:31 ashimema                it works really well for us in testing.. I'm hoping to get it through QA
09:38 fridolin                ashimema: oh yep its perfect
09:38 ashimema                fancy giving it your magic stamp as I SO'd it ;)
09:38 ashimema                I'm also looking at bug 11158.. which we've retested on top of the above.. and it works great too!
09:38 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11158 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Authorities 'starts with'  search returns the same as 'contains' when using ICU
09:39 fridolin                ashimema: do you whant me to sign also ?
09:39 ashimema                but as Colin wrote it.. many moons ago.. I'm unable to SO or QA that one
09:39 ashimema                if you fancied it :)
09:40 ashimema                ooh.. David re-wrote it.. so I can SO or QA :)
09:41 ashimema                so yeah.. if you can varify it works too that would be awesome.. then we can get both in.
09:41 ashimema                should mean Zebra and linking work much better :)
09:43 fridolin                indeed, we are on this subject actually
09:44 ashimema                excellent
09:44 wahanui                 darn tootin' it is.
09:44 * ashimema              is really happy to see a bit more love going into Zebra again at the moment..
09:45 ashimema                ES is cool.. but I personally still think there's a fair bit of life left in Zebra
09:45 der_smon                hey!
09:47 der_smon                got pulled away from my keyboard yesterday and was not able to react: on 19.05 with elastic search, i get duplicates when batch modifying records in the search index
09:47 der_smon                meaning i have to reindex to get rid of the duplicate search results
09:59 ashimema                kidclamp is probably best to talk to about that.. but he won't be up for a few more hours I'm afraid der_smon
10:10 der_smon                ok
10:10 der_smon                seems i am somewhat out of sync with kidclamp
10:11 ashimema                where are you based der_smon
10:11 ashimema                kidclamp is USA
10:11 der_smon                germany, and i  start working quite early ;)
10:11 ashimema                the other one who knows elastic well is ere.. but I haven't seen him around much recently
10:12 ashimema                generally, european afternoons are a good time to say hello.. at the point we should have a fair few europeans around as well as a few americans
10:12 ashimema                catches the widest group :)
10:13 der_smon                thx ;)
10:15 ashimema                also.. my brain tends to wake up after a few cups of tea and I become more helpful in the afternoons too ;P
10:20 Joubu                   der_smon: I am going to ask you the same question as yesterday: in elastic index or in the Koha search result view?
10:21 der_smon                in the result view
10:21 der_smon                i am currently checking the index itself
10:21 Joubu                   Are they pointing to the same record (same biblionumber)?
10:22 Joubu                   (I don't think that's possible...)
10:23 ashimema                lol.. you beat me to it on bug 27047.. tnaks Joubu :)
10:23 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27047 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Purchase suggestions can not search
10:23 Joubu                   It was on my list for 2 months...
10:23 ashimema                haha..
10:24 ashimema                it had only just gone on mine.. but was on the 'when i get a five minute break' list.. which isn't often these days
10:24 ashimema                I'll test it though :)
10:29 jsicot                  Hi #koha folks
10:31 jsicot                  I'm a koha enthusiast, I join this channel to find or share some information about my favorite ils ^^
10:33 Joubu                   Welcome jsicot, that's the perfect place for that :)
10:33 der_smon                yes, same biblionumber
10:33 Joubu                   der_smon: which exact version of Koha are you using?
10:34 der_smon                19.05.05.000
10:34 Joubu                   then detail what you are doing exactly in the batch tool, I will try
10:35 Joubu                   der_smon: can you try with the latest 19.05.x?
10:35 jsicot                  Joubu Great :-)
10:35 Joubu                   v19.05.17
10:35 Joubu                   you are missing 12 minor versions
10:35 der_smon                i will try
10:36 Joubu                   there are 700 commits, maybe one is fixing it
10:37 der_smon                so my modification rule is "update existing or add new" and basically i check for specific values of 856 z and want to replace them with a different value
10:37 der_smon                the duplicate shows up even if the record is not changed
10:37 der_smon                (meaning 856 z is no-matching)
10:41 kidclamp                https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25342
10:41 huginn                  Bug 25342: major, P5 - low, ---, nick, CLOSED FIXED, Scripts not running under plack can cause duplication of ES records
10:41 kidclamp                der_smon: ^^
10:43 der_smon                ah nice
10:44 Joubu                   Always consider the bug is fixed already, and update :)
10:55 cait1                   oh so much talking here to read back
10:58 * cait1                 waves at der_smon
10:59 cait1                   which library?
11:02 jsicot                  Hi @cait1, Sorry, the question was for me? I'm a systems librarian at Rennes 2 university Library (in France)
11:06 Joubu                   jsicot, cait, I am pretty sure you met already :)
11:07 ashimema                I think cait1 was asking where dr_smon comes from.. as they said they're german earlier in chat :)
11:08 jsicot                  ah sorry
11:08 ashimema                no worries..
11:08 ashimema                always nice to know where people are from..
11:08 ashimema                we've probably met too.. if you've been to marseille hackfest in recent years :)
11:08 * ashimema              is Martin from PTFS Europe
11:09 * ashimema              wonders if we should have some guidelines of form validation... bug 27427 has opened a small can of worms for me.
11:09 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27427 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update the way form validation errors are displayed
11:09 jsicot                  yes, I was present at Hackfest perhaps in 2012 or 2013 ?
11:10 ashimema                aha.. I may or may not have been at one of those.. haha.. it's long enough ago my brain has faded
11:10 jsicot                  ^^
11:12 cait                    oh i meant der_smon - i know i have met jsicot :)
11:12 jsicot                  :-)
11:13 cait                    German users here always have me curious :)
11:13 ashimema                hehe
11:13 ashimema                your not german are you cait? :P
11:16 der_smon                huhu cait
11:16 der_smon                dainst ;)
11:53 ashimema                I've updated bug 18017 to add bug 27299 as a dependancy fridolin
11:53 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18017 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Use index_heading and index_match_heading in UNIMARC authorities zebra configuration
11:53 ashimema                I think it makes sense
11:53 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27299 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Signed Off , Zebra phrase register is incorrectly tokenized when using ICU
11:53 oleonard-away           Hi all
11:53 ashimema                afraid I can't really test it.. don't know enough about UNIMARC.. but it 'looks right' to me.
11:56 ashimema                hi oleonard
11:56 wahanui                 hi oleopard
12:44 * oleonard              sees the ElasticSearch license news... :(
13:19 cait                    der_smon: I had a  hunch :)
13:38 oleonard                It would be cool if you could click a statistic in Hea and see a breakdown of Koha version numbers. I'm curious, for instance, what version the 103 libraries using LibraryThingForLibraries are on
13:39 oleonard                ...with the ulterior motive that I want to be able to jettison LTFL support ;)
13:44 ashimema                that would indeed be cool
13:47 ashimema                that looks like it could be doable actually
13:56 magnuse                 cookbook-meeting in about 1 hour?
13:57 * oleonard              has his apron ready
14:02 cait                    is it an hour or half an hour?
14:02 cait                    also with apron ready here :)
14:02 ashimema                mmm, foood
14:07 magnuse                 oh yes, maybe half past?
14:08 magnuse                 ah, yes, i am mistaken
14:09 magnuse                 cookbook-meeting in about 21 minutes?
14:09 cait                    should we change the links on the website? Github    Koha Gitweb
14:10 cait                    I'd like to change the first to: Github (mirror) and we are no longer using gitweb... so maybe Koha Git Repository?
14:10 cait                    https://koha-community.org/
14:12 oleonard                I agree cait. I would put "Koha Git Repository" above Github too
14:12 Joubu                   cait: yes, could be "Koha Git Repository" and a link to the "Gitlab mirror"
14:13 cait                    i think they are alphabetic
14:13 cait                    but it always bugged e too
14:13 cait                    it# actually the github mirror
14:13 cait                    but we could add the one on gitlab too?
14:13 cait                    i will see how tog et there
14:14 Joubu                   I was suggesting to replace github with gitlab
14:14 cait                    do you have th elink on hand maybe? i can do that
14:15 Joubu                   https://gitlab.com/koha-community/Koha
14:15 cait                    https://gitlab.com/koha-community
14:15 cait                    ah ok
14:16 cait                    should we point to the koha repo or to the level above?
14:16 Joubu                   for the other one you can directly link to https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha
14:16 Joubu                   I'd point to the Koha repo dorectly
14:16 Joubu                   directly
14:16 cait                    ok
14:16 cait                    on it
14:16 cait                    please test
14:18 Joubu                   no changes
14:18 cait                    hm
14:18 cait                    it shows for me
14:19 Joubu                   "Community Resources
14:19 Joubu                   "
14:19 cait                    deleting cache
14:19 Joubu                   those link?
14:19 cait                    try again please
14:19 Joubu                   https://git.koha-community.org/Koha is wrong
14:19 Joubu                   it's https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha
14:19 cait                    hm not very handy that one :)
14:19 cait                    changing
14:20 Joubu                   it's following the same pattern "koha-community" is the group/namespace
14:20 Joubu                   and Koha is the project
14:20 Joubu                   like gitlab
14:20 cait                    fixed
14:20 cait                    yeah i can see that, sorry
14:20 Joubu                   yup!
14:21 cait                    is vimeo still being used?
14:21 cait                    kidclamp: do youknow maybe?
14:21 cait                    https://vimeo.com/channels/kohails
14:21 cait                    it lists only 5 videos
14:21 cait                    i am tempted to remove it?
14:21 cait                    koha 3.2 videos too
14:22 cait                    last link in the list (in case you wondered what i am talking about)
14:22 cait                    oleonard: the sequence is alphabetic, i see no option to change it :(
14:22 oleonard                At least it's logical in some way
14:23 cait                    any votes on killing the vimeo oneß
14:23 cait                    ?
14:23 oleonard                I would remove it
14:23 cait                    thx :)
14:23 cait                    i've set it to private
14:23 cait                    so if someone wants we could bring it back
14:24 Joubu                   maybe add the youtube channel?
14:24 Joubu                   https://www.youtube.com/c/KohaILS
14:24 cait                    label?
14:24 wahanui                 label is "Additional attributes and identifiers"
14:25 cait                    heh wahanui, not in that case
14:25 cait                    Videos on Youtube ?
14:25 Joubu                   Youtube channel?
14:26 cait                    done
14:28 jsicot                  Twitter account https://twitter.com/kohails maybe ?
14:29 oleonard                A link to my SoundCloud?
14:29 cait                    heh
14:29 cait                    i will do that
14:30 cait                    twitter is a good idea, i have added it
14:30 cait                    just labelled "Twitter"
14:31 jsicot                  thx
14:31 cait                    thx for the suggestion )
14:31 Joubu                   (best meeting ever is coming, be ready)
14:31 cait                    are we meeting here?
14:31 cait                    ok *jitters*
14:31 caroline_crazycatlady   yes
14:31 caroline_crazycatlady   i'm getting ready
14:31 magnuse                 \o/
14:31 caroline_crazycatlady   should I create a wiki page to get the minutes and everything?
14:32 ashimema                :)
14:32 cait                    just realized i forgot to check out the wiki page :(
14:33 Joubu                   caroline_crazycatlady: nope, just the usual #
14:33 caroline_crazycatlady   ah ok good
14:33 caroline_crazycatlady   #startmeeting Cookbook Working Group
14:33 huginn                  Meeting started Fri Jan 15 14:33:55 2021 UTC.  The chair is caroline_crazycatlady. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:33 huginn                  Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:33 huginn                  The meeting name has been set to 'cookbook_working_group'
14:34 caroline_crazycatlady   #topic Introductions
14:34 caroline_crazycatlady   use #info for intorductions
14:34 oleonard                #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:34 caroline_crazycatlady   #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Quebec, Canada
14:34 magnuse                 #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
14:34 cait                    #info Katrin Fischer, Germany
14:35 magnuse                 (probably doing this on my own time, though)
14:35 ashimema                #info Martin Renvoize, UK
14:35 ashimema                me too..
14:35 cait                    same
14:35 oleonard                Yes, won't someone please think of the shareholders!
14:36 caroline_crazycatlady   lol!
14:36 Joubu                   #info Jonathan Druart
14:37 caroline_crazycatlady   Ok, I didn't really prepare an agenda, but I thought of some things -- format, asking for contributions, measurements (:P)
14:37 magnuse                 international globetrotter ;-)
14:37 magnuse                 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_cookbook_RFC
14:38 magnuse                 format can be both input and output, i guess
14:38 caroline_crazycatlady   We can start with the format
14:38 caroline_crazycatlady   on the RFC, it says PDF and or epub
14:38 cait                    i think an html version could be nice too
14:38 caroline_crazycatlady   how do we add contributions?
14:39 caroline_crazycatlady   I'll edit the wiki page as we discuss
14:39 magnuse                 i am thinkgin a git repo that can maybe accept pull requests, but at least the working group members should be able to add commits
14:39 caroline_crazycatlady   epub might be a bit big
14:40 magnuse                 big?
14:40 caroline_crazycatlady   to host
14:40 cait                    caroline_crazycatlady: it#s easy if we use the same tools we have for the manual
14:40 magnuse                 i had not thought of the tools for the manual, but that does sound like a good idea
14:41 ashimema                epub is not bad.. it was the translations that made things big in the manual
14:41 * ashimema              was wrong to blame epub
14:41 caroline_crazycatlady   so we want to use Restructured text for formatting and sphinx for output?
14:41 cait                    it's an option that would make it quite easy to generate theother things...
14:41 caroline_crazycatlady   ok, good to know
14:41 cait                    but there might be other options too
14:41 caroline_crazycatlady   but we still have to find somewhere to host it
14:42 Joubu                   what do you need to host?
14:42 cait                    we could put it on gitlab maybe? or the gitea
14:42 Joubu                   only the output?
14:42 magnuse                 gitea = https://git.koha-community.org/ ?
14:42 cait                    yes
14:42 caroline_crazycatlady   I think so, since the input will be on gitlab
14:42 magnuse                 don't we need to host the source too?
14:42 caroline_crazycatlady   or gitea
14:42 magnuse                 ah
14:43 Joubu                   I'd consider it the same as other side-projects, use gitlab and its workflow
14:43 magnuse                 sounds good to me
14:43 Joubu                   I think we can rely on gitlab to host the output as well. If too big I can host the pdf/epub
14:43 caroline_crazycatlady   ok
14:43 * oleonard              wonders if we need a recipe copyright expert's advice
14:43 cait                    +1
14:44 magnuse                 yeah, we have plenty of space/bandwith too
14:44 caroline_crazycatlady   #agreed use gitlab and its workflow
14:44 caroline_crazycatlady   #agreed host the output on gitlab as well
14:45 caroline_crazycatlady   there was also a print-on-demand option
14:45 caroline_crazycatlady   in the wiki
14:45 cait                    i like the information/layout the wiki suggests, can we make this work with docbook in a structured way?
14:45 caroline_crazycatlady   https://www.blurb.com/bookstore
14:45 magnuse                 yeah, i want a physical book :-)
14:45 caroline_crazycatlady   same!
14:45 cait                    :)
14:45 cait                    sorry, we ar not using docbook... sphinx... thing
14:46 cait                    might be good to create a template one can follow
14:46 magnuse                 i yup
14:46 magnuse                 awesome if people familiar with the manual could suggest a temaplte
14:47 magnuse                 but should we say all submissions must use the template? or accept anything and convert to the template ourselves?
14:47 cait                    i am not sure we have many super familiar with the technical bits and ther might be things we don't really use yet?
14:47 cait                    i think we shoudl accept submissions outside of gitlab too
14:47 oleonard                Agreed
14:47 caroline_crazycatlady   yes bc not everyone is confortable with git
14:47 cait                    i'd be willing to help reformat, once we know how we do it
14:48 cait                    can you make that an agreed plz?
14:48 Joubu                   we could have a template wiki page
14:48 magnuse                 keep it simple s**** ;-)
14:48 cait                    even the wiki is a bit of a hurdle
14:48 caroline_crazycatlady   #agreed we accept contributions outside of gitlab
14:48 cait                    maybe also have an email acceptance?
14:48 magnuse                 but how? set up an email somewhere?
14:49 cait                    hm list is bad because it eats the attachements
14:49 caroline_crazycatlady   kohacookbook@gmail?
14:49 cait                    gmail???
14:49 cait                    sorry :)
14:49 magnuse                 i think gmail or similar makes sense
14:49 cait                    paranoid German
14:49 caroline_crazycatlady   I don't really know other ones, sorry!
14:49 magnuse                 hehe
14:50 cait                    Joubu: you have a kc address... is that an option in general?
14:50 Joubu                   we can use it, yes
14:50 Joubu                   ha
14:51 Joubu                   sorry, you mean the bugs.k-c.org address?
14:51 Joubu                   it's not k-c.org
14:51 Joubu                   not sure it makes sense to have bugs.k-c.org
14:51 cait                    ah ok, yep no then
14:51 caroline_crazycatlady   cookbook@k-c.org?
14:51 Joubu                   no
14:51 caroline_crazycatlady   ok
14:51 Joubu                   not possible
14:51 Joubu                   (there is no mail server)
14:51 magnuse                 cait: what are you actually paranoid about? it's not for sensitive info? :-)
14:52 Joubu                   use koha_cookbook@protonmail.com
14:52 Joubu                   and we will create it
14:52 cait                    magnuse: it reads emails for advertising... i think that's creepy?
14:52 cait                    but offtopic here :)
14:53 cait                    no idea waht protonmail is, but Joubu is usually right
14:53 caroline_crazycatlady   so cookbook@protonmail.com is good?
14:53 Joubu                   koha is missing :)
14:53 caroline_crazycatlady   #agreed use kohacookbook@protonmail.com to send recipes to the editors
14:54 cait                    i like it all in one word
14:54 magnuse                 is that webmail where we can log in and work in the queue? or would it just pass email along to everyone in the committe?
14:56 caroline_crazycatlady   #action caroline will create a template using restructuredtext for the contributions
14:56 magnuse                 it would be practical if we had one webmail to log into where we could see which submissions had already been handled
14:57 caroline_crazycatlady   Joubu or ashimema : can you set up the git repository and the sphinx part?
14:57 Joubu                   yes, action us
14:57 caroline_crazycatlady   #Joubu or ashimema will set up the git repository and the sphinx part
14:58 caroline_crazycatlady   #Joubu will create the email address kohacookbook@protonmail.com
14:58 caroline_crazycatlady   #action Joubu will create the email address kohacookbook@protonmail.com
14:59 ashimema                :)
14:59 Joubu                   (I've create koha_cookbook already and sent you the credentials)
14:59 Joubu                   can recreate without _ if needed
14:59 Joubu                   create*d*
14:59 caroline_crazycatlady   can you set it up so that we can access it via web and/or set it up so that it sends us all emails?
14:59 caroline_crazycatlady   oops, sorry, I didn't see!
15:00 caroline_crazycatlady   do we prefer koha_cookbook or kohacookbook?
15:00 caroline_crazycatlady   I don't have a preference
15:00 magnuse                 me neither
15:00 Joubu                   I prefer with _
15:00 Joubu                   :D
15:00 cait                    not a strong one
15:00 caroline_crazycatlady   ok so lets keep it that way
15:01 caroline_crazycatlady   #info email is koha_cookbook@protonmail.com
15:01 magnuse                 (off topic: who can add 2021 on https://meetings.koha-community.org/ ?)
15:01 caroline_crazycatlady   I'll do it
15:01 caroline_crazycatlady   I was already in there
15:01 Joubu                   (magnuse: I've asked gmcharlt already)
15:01 cait                    gmcharlt
15:01 wahanui                 i think gmcharlt is usually lurking much earlier.. hense ashimema's pointing him out
15:01 magnuse                 (cool!)
15:02 caroline_crazycatlady   ok if it's something complicated i'll l et them deal with it lol!
15:02 cait                    i think you probably need to change the html template, not complicated but requires access
15:02 caroline_crazycatlady   2020 stopped in June so I though it was a manual thing
15:03 caroline_crazycatlady   ok back to cookbook
15:03 * oleonard              wishes 2020 had stopped in June
15:03 magnuse                 lulz
15:04 cait                    more .. February
15:04 cait                    do we agree on the general information to collect as stated on the wiki?
15:04 cait                    the layout section?
15:04 caroline_crazycatlady   does anyone have comments on the elements of the contribution (name of dish, short description, estc
15:04 caroline_crazycatlady   https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_cookbook_RFC#Contributions
15:05 magnuse                 i was thinking, if we accept more than one receipe per person, it might make sense to collect the info about the people in one place
15:05 caroline_crazycatlady   we had already discussed we wanted measurements in metric, so g for weight and ml for volume?
15:05 magnuse                 and link bwtween them
15:05 oleonard                For completeness I would add "List of ingredients" to that list above "how to make the dish"
15:05 cait                    i thin it's there
15:05 cait                    The receipe  List of ingredients and quantities
15:05 caroline_crazycatlady   yes under "The recipe"
15:06 cait                    ah it's in contributions
15:06 cait                    but missing in layout
15:06 caroline_crazycatlady   Do we want more than one contribution per person or just one?
15:06 oleonard                Right
15:06 cait                    hm i think it depends on how many we get
15:06 cait                    maybe?
15:06 caroline_crazycatlady   Ok I added it to the "Layout part"
15:07 magnuse                 yeah, hard to tell if we will get lots of people contributing or not
15:08 caroline_crazycatlady   circling back to oleonard's copyright comment we have to specify to people that this has to be an original recipe, or at least sufficiently modified from an existing one
15:08 magnuse                 yup
15:08 cait                    are recipes (simple ones) copyrighted?
15:08 cait                    a lot of cake recipes are very basic
15:08 caroline_crazycatlady   if they are published, yes
15:09 cait                    waht about things like "pancake batter"
15:09 oleonard                The US perspective: https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#recipe
15:09 cait                    i mean a local recipe might be so general, it's hard to tell
15:09 cait                    something that is very common in a country
15:09 cait                    A mere listing of ingredients is not protected under copyright law. <
15:09 cait                    ok, so you have to make sure to write your own text?
15:10 caroline_crazycatlady   If it's common, I wouldn't be worried about it
15:10 cait                    #link https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#recipe
15:11 cait                    any suggestions on wording?
15:11 caroline_crazycatlady   #agreed  specify to people that this has to be an original recipe, or at least sufficiently modified from an existing one
15:11 cait                    +1
15:11 * ashimema              requests a beer recipe or two from Joubu ;)
15:12 caroline_crazycatlady   Oh yeah, that makes me think, do we wait for contributions to see how we want to organized them?
15:12 oleonard                I think that makes sense
15:12 cait                    ah categories
15:12 magnuse                 me too
15:12 cait                    i think that makes snse too
15:12 caroline_crazycatlady   meaning in chapters, like desserts (first of course), main courses, drinks, etc
15:12 cait                    but we could state that all is good? cocktails to desserts? :)
15:12 cait                    and beer
15:12 magnuse                 sure
15:13 caroline_crazycatlady   #agreed contributions of all sorts of recipes are welcome
15:13 cait                    do we really need to ahve beer? *hides*
15:14 magnuse                 a separate book for beer receipies? ;-)
15:14 cait                    maybe somethign for another volume
15:14 magnuse                 i wouldn't mind a few
15:14 oleonard                cait no one will make you try the recipe
15:14 magnuse                 hehe
15:14 marie-luce              favourite beer from different country
15:15 cait                    was just joking :)
15:15 ashimema                hehe
15:15 marie-luce              me too :)
15:15 marie-luce              really exciting your project
15:16 caroline_crazycatlady   The final point in the RFC is license
15:16 magnuse                 related to the question of copyrught is the license of the compilation we are making
15:16 magnuse                 jinx! ;-)
15:16 cait                    just got a cake delivery, back in a moment
15:16 magnuse                 :-O
15:16 oleonard                :D
15:17 oleonard                Hey you're not allowed to interrupt food meetings for food!!
15:17 magnuse                 i think it should be as open as possible, allow for remixing etc
15:17 caroline_crazycatlady   CC0? CC BY?
15:17 caroline_crazycatlady   https://creativecommons.org/about/cclicenses/
15:18 caroline_crazycatlady   Non-commercial?
15:19 caroline_crazycatlady   Since we are an open-source community, I would go with CC0
15:19 oleonard                I would be fine with CC0
15:19 magnuse                 tricky
15:19 magnuse                 CC0 is public domain?
15:19 caroline_crazycatlady   yes
15:20 magnuse                 i'm fine with that
15:20 caroline_crazycatlady   anyone has an objection to CC0?
15:20 caroline_crazycatlady   #agreed license will be CC0
15:21 magnuse                 cool!
15:21 caroline_crazycatlady   #link https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
15:21 caroline_crazycatlady   oops
15:21 caroline_crazycatlady   #link https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
15:21 magnuse                 CC0 x2 = CC0
15:21 caroline_crazycatlady   (I shake a lot)
15:22 caroline_crazycatlady   (It's a wonder I can actually knit)
15:22 caroline_crazycatlady   Ok so, to summarize
15:23 caroline_crazycatlady   We will send a request for contributions
15:23 caroline_crazycatlady   specifying the format, elements needed, copyright and licese information
15:24 caroline_crazycatlady   Gitlab will be set up
15:24 caroline_crazycatlady   and I think that's all we have to do until next mmeting
15:24 caroline_crazycatlady   am i forgetting something?
15:24 magnuse                 setting up the template?
15:24 Joubu                   even the picture of the contributosr?
15:25 caroline_crazycatlady   good point
15:25 magnuse                 do we want pics of contributors?
15:25 Joubu                   yes it's the list
15:26 caroline_crazycatlady   https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_cookbook_RFC#Contributions
15:26 oleonard                I don't think we need it, personally
15:26 Joubu                   yes it's *in* the list
15:26 caroline_crazycatlady   Me either
15:26 * caroline_crazycatlady doesn't like having her picture taken
15:27 caroline_crazycatlady   anyone have strong feeling regarding pictures?
15:27 magnuse                 i put it in the list, but i'm fine with leaving it out
15:28 caroline_crazycatlady   Can we put exceptions in a license?
15:28 magnuse                 best not to?
15:28 caroline_crazycatlady   ok so we leave pictures of people out
15:29 caroline_crazycatlady   but we want pictures of the dish
15:29 caroline_crazycatlady   Next meeting?
15:29 wahanui                 i guess Next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
15:29 magnuse                 i want to see pics, yes. but they could be optional?
15:30 magnuse                 did we decide on more than one receipe per contributor?
15:30 oleonard                We postponed the decision
15:30 caroline_crazycatlady   No, we decided to wait and see what we receive
15:31 magnuse                 ok, so if we get a flood we can say "one per person"?
15:31 magnuse                 sounds good to me
15:31 caroline_crazycatlady   Do we give it two months?
15:32 caroline_crazycatlady   Or is that too long?
15:32 magnuse                 as the deadline for submissions?
15:32 caroline_crazycatlady   I was thinking next meeting
15:32 caroline_crazycatlady   but good point
15:32 magnuse                 ah, sorry, ok
15:33 caroline_crazycatlady   I think we can have a deadline later that that
15:33 caroline_crazycatlady   give time for people to find, test, wirte and take a picture of their recipe
15:33 magnuse                 sure
15:34 caroline_crazycatlady   So Friday march 12 same time for next meeting?
15:35 magnuse                 works for me
15:35 oleonard                +1
15:35 caroline_crazycatlady   #info Next meeting: 12 March 2021, 14:30 UTC
15:35 caroline_crazycatlady   #endmeeting
15:35 huginn                  Meeting ended Fri Jan 15 15:35:38 2021 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:35 huginn                  Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_working_group.2021-01-15-14.33.html
15:35 huginn                  Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_working_group.2021-01-15-14.33.txt
15:35 huginn                  Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_working_group.2021-01-15-14.33.log.html
15:35 cait                    sorry, the cake was real
15:35 * caroline_crazycatlady goes to see wat are her action points again...
15:36 magnuse                 awesome meeting folks, this is gonna be so cool!
15:36 oleonard                cait: Real cake is my favorite
15:36 caroline_crazycatlady   XD
15:37 oleonard                I can't wait to submit my recipe for Marseille Cheese Lunch (1. Buy all the cheese 2. Eat all the cheese)
15:37 magnuse                 +1
15:37 magnuse                 and pictures
15:37 wahanui                 pictures are gooood
15:38 magnuse                 have fun #koha!
15:38 caroline_crazycatlady   I'll try to have a couple from our team... we have a very diverse team so it would be interesting
15:38 oleonard                And we can simply steal all these https://bywatersolutions.com/news/2020-bywater-staff-holiday-cookie-recipes
15:39 cait                    heh :)
15:39 cait                    yep a coworker dropped by to bring me cake... :)
15:39 caroline_crazycatlady   nice!
15:41 * cait                  got the best coworkers
15:43 ashimema                did you see my PM oleonard?
15:43 oleonard                Yes
15:44 oleonard                I often think I'd like to contribute to hea and then I remember I have so much to do as it is
15:44 ashimema                any thoughts?
15:44 ashimema                haha
15:44 ashimema                I've added some graphs back in.. still not pretty
15:44 ashimema                but a start
15:44 ashimema                the code is a bit .. challenging.. to work with
15:45 oleonard                My thought was to provide a kind of "detail view" for a particular preference, so you could click through from the main list and see a breakdown by Koha version and setting
15:48 ashimema                indeed
15:48 ashimema                I was spitballing
15:49 oleonard                Now that I think about it I think the installation process was a blocker for testing...
15:50 Joubu                   it's dancer and the DB structure is in the repo
15:50 Joubu                   install process shouldn't be a blocker
15:51 ashimema                I've pushed my proof of concept up and submitted a work in progress merge request
15:52 ashimema                what is hea_ws?
15:52 Joubu                   the webservice
15:52 ashimema                I only needed hea_app
15:52 Joubu                   yes
15:52 * oleonard              should take another crack at it
15:52 Joubu                   hea_ws is the service called by the Koha install to upload their data
15:52 ashimema                ah.. of course
15:53 ashimema                my quick hack: http://mrdev-zebra-staff.koha-ptfs.co.uk:3000/systempreference_by_version
15:53 ashimema                my d3 isn't very good... I'm thinking stacked bard would be nice
15:53 ashimema                bars.. even
15:57 ashimema                biblibre host hea still don't they?
16:03 liliputech_asu          according to the dns , yes it is
16:03 liliputech_asu          hea.koha-community.org.	3599	IN	CNAME	bs-acces.biblibre.com.
16:06 reiveune                bye
16:21 cait                    khall_: around maybe?
16:21 cait                    or kidclamp?
16:21 wahanui                 rumour has it kidclamp is reply i guess kidclamp is the first RM not to be bribed
16:21 cait                    or both? :)
16:22 cait                    or anyone else interested/knowing about course reserves?
16:22 cait                    oleonard: are you using course reserves in some way?
16:22 cait                    caroline_crazycatlady: ? :)
16:22 caroline_crazycatlady   some, what is the question?
16:22 oleonard                cait no
16:23 oleonard                I've only tested it
16:23 cait                    we are sponsoring a new feature
16:23 cait                    bug 14237
16:23 huginn                  Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14237 enhancement, P2, ---, hayleymapley, In Discussion , Allow bibs to be added to course without items
16:23 cait                    because our electronic resources usually have no items... but people want to put them in course reserves
16:24 caroline_crazycatlady   for online ressources?
16:24 caroline_crazycatlady   makes sense
16:24 cait                    yep
16:24 cait                    the question is how to do it in the database
16:24 cait                    we could add a biblionumber column to course_items... or create a new table
16:25 cait                    at the moment i lean a bit towards the latter, i think you'd only need the course Id and the bilbionumber... and all the rest of course_items would remain unused/empty... also the name doesn't fit then
16:25 cait                    but not sure if that woudl be the best way to do it
16:26 caroline_crazycatlady   I was leaning towards the first, but I'm not a DB architect, so I'm not the best person to ask
16:26 caroline_crazycatlady   I don't necessarily want tables with a gazillion columns
16:27 oleonard                Compare it to holds, where the reserve table has biblionumber and itemnumber, right? But only a hold with an itemnumber is an item-level hold.
16:27 oleonard                Could it be similar for course reserves?
16:27 cait                    true
16:27 cait                    but the other holds columns are used for both
16:27 cait                    http://schema.koha-community.org/20_11/tables/course_items.html
16:27 cait                    Joubu: maybe you know about the consequences more?
16:28 caroline_crazycatlady   true
16:28 caroline_crazycatlady   nothing else would be filled
16:29 cait                    timestamp
16:29 cait                    heh :)
16:31 cait                    hm but we have no clear vote yet, right?
16:31 caroline_crazycatlady   no
16:32 cait                    thx for looking into this with me
16:33 caroline_crazycatlady   sorry I couldn't really help
16:33 cait                    it's ok, i am stuck on this too
16:33 cait                    that's why we put it on bugzilla
16:58 ashimema                I can think about it over the weekend cait
16:58 ashimema                Right now.. a beer is calling
16:59 lukeG1                  Enjoy ashimema!
17:00 ashimema                :-)
17:02 ashimema                Ooh, ooh... Thanks for the signoff lukeG1
17:20 cait                    ashimema:  have a nice weekend :)
17:20 cait                    I'll be semi-around on monday - another presentation to prepare...
17:23 ashimema                Enjoy the weekend #koha friends
17:23 oleonard-away           Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday for Americans on Monday
17:52 cait                    enjoy yor holiday!
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