Time Nick Message 22:54 tuxayo gmcharlt around? 22:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #184: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/184/ 22:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #212: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/212/ 22:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #178: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/178/ 21:59 ashimema Ta 21:55 cait very true :) 21:55 caroline Now we have to work on it! 21:55 caroline thanks cait! 21:52 cait ashimema: Manual issue added to roadmap https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_roadmap 21:52 cait https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_roadmap 21:52 cait caroline: I have added our manual problem to the roadmap Automated updates for translated manuals 21:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #41: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/41/ 21:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U2010 build #75: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U2010/75/ 21:39 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #179: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/179/ 21:39 wahanui Congratulations! 21:39 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 21:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #183: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/183/ 21:11 wahanui Congratulations! 21:11 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 21:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #211: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/211/ 20:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #177: UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/177/ 20:40 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27252 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to oldstable , ES5 no longer supported (since 20.11.00) 20:40 koha-jenkins kidclamp: Bug 27252: Default to cross fields off 20:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #178: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/178/ 20:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #40: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/40/ 20:26 oleonard tcohen still around? 20:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U2010 build #74: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U2010/74/ 19:55 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #210: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/210/ 19:55 wahanui Congratulations! 19:55 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 19:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #39: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/39/ 19:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #176: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/176/ 19:44 wahanui Congratulations! 19:44 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 19:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #182: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/182/ 19:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1529: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1529/ 18:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #166: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/166/ 18:41 caroline Sneaky! 18:40 caroline ah! It's because I didn't have any values in my DEPARTMENT category 18:34 caroline Authorized value categories available for additional fields https://snipboard.io/qK8Uo6.jpg 18:34 caroline My authorized value categories : https://snipboard.io/7qklCQ.jpg 18:32 caroline I think it's on purpose? I can't See Asort/Bsort either in the list 18:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #22: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U16/22/ 18:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #20: SUCCESS in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/20/ 18:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #29: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/29/ 18:24 caroline It seems it was possible before https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/blob/master/source/images/serials/addingfieldvalues.png 18:23 caroline I'm trying to add a field to a subscription and I can't choose the DEPARTMENT category 18:23 caroline Did we block some auth value categories to certain uses? 18:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Move translatable strings out of memberentrygen.tt and into JavaScript 18:21 oleonard I was hoping it would magically resolve my problem with Bug 26244, but no such luck. 18:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D11 build #33: UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D11/33/ 18:02 cait hope it works well for you 17:59 oleonard Great, thanks cait 17:59 cait it's much faster than before 17:59 cait i think you can run po:update with lang too, but not sure 17:59 cait steps 1 2 basically 17:58 cait the test plan on comment 68 reads well 17:57 cait Locale::XGettext::TT2 needs to be installed 17:57 cait the gulp install etc you will need 17:56 cait updatin gis different 17:56 cait installing should still be the same i think 17:54 oleonard Do I need to run all the commands listed in the test plan? 17:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to master , Move PO file manipulation code into gulp tasks 17:53 oleonard How has Bug 25067 changed the process for updating and installing translations? 17:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #17: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/17/ 17:52 wahanui Congratulations! 17:52 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:34 ashimema laters people.. have a nice evening 17:34 ashimema dinner time for me 17:33 ashimema as we've just need to undo that again to translate them 17:33 ashimema but if we actually are going to have translated images there's no point even trying to separate them out 17:33 ashimema the biggest saving we could make would be to put the images at a top level and share them between all the translations... 17:33 ashimema the epubs are smaller than the html I believe 17:32 ashimema 1.9gb is for the translated html and epubs all combined 17:32 ashimema it's more the translations as I said.. 17:32 ashimema don't think the epud is that huge actually.. 17:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #20: UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/20/ 17:24 caroline wizzycray around? 17:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #488: SUCCESS in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/488/ 17:23 marie-luce wow, it's huge 17:21 caroline surely someone asked for it if we build it, but do they still use it? 17:20 ashimema I'm not even sure I know how to get it. 17:20 ashimema indeed 17:20 ashimema then roughly the same for all the older manuals combined 17:19 ashimema so that's 8GB for the supported plus 'next' manual at a rough estimate. 17:19 caroline ok just wondering if it's used at all (the epub) 17:19 ashimema er.. you'd have to ask liz.. I don't know that 17:19 caroline eesh 17:18 ashimema it comes out at 1.9G 17:18 ashimema right... so for the current master version.. the manual.. with all translations, the website and the epub 17:18 caroline do we have statistics on acces/link clicks? 17:16 ashimema the epub is bloody huge! 17:16 ashimema I just built the manuals again 17:16 ashimema wow 17:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #36: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/36/ 16:51 cait1 bye #koha! 16:49 caroline ashimema: cool! thank you so much! Now I just have to remember to do it 16:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #178: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/178/ 16:45 ashimema as for updating regularly.. I'm just contemplating how to achieve it. 16:44 ashimema so.. you can use that for the monthly translation updates 16:44 ashimema if/when you go to build translations caroline.. from that tools page.. it'll now create a proper gitlab merge request for you 16:44 ashimema right.. 16:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1528: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1528/ 16:27 caroline +1 16:25 cait1 it should be gone now 16:25 cait1 sorry, we meant the same thing actually 16:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #444: UNSTABLE in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/444/ 16:24 cait1 sec 16:24 cait1 ok it does 16:24 caroline If I click on Documentation to-do, it's there 16:24 cait1 but it doesn't show, does it? 16:24 caroline so we should exclude duplicates is what I understand 16:23 cait1 this bug can't be "done" 16:23 cait1 yu will never get these out of the todo list otherwise 16:22 cait1 or should 16:22 cait1 becuase if it#s a duplicate the "real" bug will show 16:22 cait1 i mean show them 16:22 cait1 hm don't think we should 16:21 caroline maybe exclude duplicates? 16:21 cait1 manual keyword and resolved one should show now tho 16:21 cait1 so there should benothing to do 16:21 cait1 It's documentation component and resolved 16:20 cait1 hm my first thoguht woudl be no 16:20 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25442 minor, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Release dates are missing from the timeline 16:20 caroline cait1: should this one be in the list? bug 25442 16:20 cait1 ok, i will leave it like that and if you spot something let me know? 16:19 caroline cait1: seems ok! 16:18 cait1 hi lukeG :) 16:18 wahanui caroline, I didn't have anything matching hi koha 16:18 caroline wahanui forget hi Koha! 16:18 wahanui hi Koha! is, like, there a table in which i can see if a borrower has borrowed any books (or if library lended out any books) 16:18 lukeG hi Koha! 16:17 cait1 caroline: could you give it a test please? 16:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #148: FAILURE in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/148/ 16:08 cait1 let me see 16:08 cait1 custom search 16:07 cait1 i thik i can maybe do it with a custom status 16:07 caroline Ok then can you do Docuemtnation to-do 1 and documentation to-do 2? :P 16:07 cait1 i am having a look 16:07 caroline is that even possible with bz? 16:06 cait1 i am not sure if we can make that work in the same search 16:06 caroline yes exactly 16:06 cait1 right? 16:06 cait1 but we'd want to show the ones tagged manual and closed 16:06 caroline I removed the tag from the SPAM one 16:06 cait1 we'd want to not show the bugs with the manual component and closed 16:06 cait1 i think now it gets complicated 16:06 cait1 ok 16:06 cait1 if we mark bugs with the tag and not have separate manual bugs... hm 16:05 caroline well with th new workflow, the closed bugs with manual are going to be to-go 16:05 cait1 ah hm 16:05 cait1 they are not to-do-items 16:05 cait1 and the second is closed 16:05 cait1 so resolved 16:05 cait1 I thin the first should not show up, it's invalid 16:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, CSV profiles improvements (concatenations, substrings, conditions...) 16:05 caroline and bug 12404 16:05 cait1 bugzilla is silly like that 16:05 cait1 the link doesn't work for me 16:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27242 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, SPAM 16:04 caroline bug 27242 16:04 cait1 sorry, which are the bugs? 16:03 cait1 hm let me see 16:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #165: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/165/ 16:00 caroline I think it's because of status 16:00 caroline There are these two bugs that are not showing up https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=357042&namedcmd=Manual 15:59 caroline cait1: can you check the Documentation to-do list on bugzilla? 15:59 huginn caroline: The operation succeeded. 15:59 caroline @later tell ashimema can you run the meeting script? 15:58 caroline thanks all! 15:58 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021.2021-01-07-15.01.log.html 15:58 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021.2021-01-07-15.01.txt 15:58 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021.2021-01-07-15.01.html 15:58 huginn Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 15:58:09 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:58 caroline #endmeeting 15:58 lucyvh That suits me 15:58 caroline #info Next meeting: 18 February, 2021, 19 UTC 15:58 cait1 probably :) 15:57 caroline 19 UTC good? 15:56 marie-luce if there small things that a newbie could help you out? 15:56 caroline (except thd) 15:56 caroline I would make the meeting a bit later so david can attend, is that ok with you? I know you're all in europe 15:55 caroline 4 weeks from now would be Feb 18 15:55 caroline #topic Set time of next meeting 15:54 caroline and we'll ppiroritize that next meeting 15:54 caroline if you wanted to discuss something, add it to the wiki page 15:54 caroline ok I'll the other things since we're short on time 15:54 cait1 #action cait to add the translated manuals to the roadmap for 21.05 15:53 cait1 i can do the roadmap later 15:53 cait1 #action ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) 15:53 huginn Current chairs: cait1 caroline 15:53 caroline #chair cait1 15:53 cait1 i probbably can't even do that... without chair? 15:53 caroline its #action 15:53 cait1 @action ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) 15:53 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 15:53 huginn cait1: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 15:53 cait1 @ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) 15:53 ashimema see ya later 15:53 ashimema I need to scoot 15:53 ashimema right.. sorry chaps and chapesses.. and they/them/others 15:52 caroline action to action 15:52 ashimema indeed 15:52 cait1 now I got actioned... 15:52 ashimema I'm using that roadmap as a bit of a to do list this cycle 15:52 ashimema can you action me for it.. but also add it to our roadmap doc cait1? 15:52 caroline I think we need to discuss this in detail, maybe outside of a meeting? 15:52 cait1 caroline: quick,@action ashimema ;) 15:51 cait1 on first glance that sounds good to me 15:51 ashimema I'm getting pulled away.. the kids, and dog, want a walk 15:51 ashimema koha release that is.. 15:51 ashimema yeah.. perhaps we update the po's in git once a month along with release? 15:51 cait1 a mirror of the repo at least 15:51 cait1 but it might be nice to have another copy outside of translate 15:51 ashimema indeed 15:51 ashimema I think I could work that out.. I'm sure if I asked liz would give me an rsync key for it. 15:50 caroline Yes I would prefer that 15:50 cait1 and not keep the po in the main repo at all? 15:50 cait1 hm we could also do that 15:50 ashimema save caroline merging translations into our git every time? 15:50 ashimema do we.. or do we want to skip the merge step and push the translated builds straight to the koha-community.org/manual site instead 15:50 caroline I don't know, I think it could solve our space problem to have them divided, but I don't want to impose on bernardo 15:50 cait1 i think we just got stuck on the how often 15:50 cait1 what we want is update the main repository with the po files generated on the translation server 15:49 cait1 i think we do 15:49 ashimema I'm not sure that's what we actually want to do anymore? 15:49 ashimema but... 15:49 ashimema I need to go ahead and do that 15:49 caroline lol 15:49 ashimema I was waiting on bernardo to let me update the version of git on he translations server.. 15:49 caroline oh right I forgot! 15:49 ashimema I had a way to automatically submit merge requests for the translated manuals for you caroline 15:48 ashimema right 15:48 cait1 Bernardo's was intended to help translating as it constantly updates so you can check what you did 15:48 thd People merely need to be reminded to configure the system preference with a download to the manual for their version. 15:48 cait1 ashimema: i don't think they do 15:48 ashimema people going off in their own directions 15:48 cait1 I believe the templates are a bit different between those 2 - do we want to make sure they actually look the same? 15:48 ashimema the whole translate thing keeps really confusing me 15:47 cait1 kidclamp: i believe there is a bug somewhere in bugzilla about when it was added 15:47 cait1 kidclamp: let me know when you figure it out :) 15:47 caroline so coud we keep only the english manual on manual.koha... and the translated ones on translate? 15:47 kidclamp oops, in meeting, sorry 15:47 kidclamp What is the point of the 'DEFAULT' authority type? 15:47 cait1 can't we just... do a domain redirect and use Bernardo's? ;) 15:47 caroline I've had complaints that translations are not being built, but they are on translate... 15:46 ashimema that one's bugged me for ages 15:46 ashimema haha.. that bug bear 15:46 cait1 exactly the point caroline is making there :) 15:46 cait1 thd: for example we point ours to the nightly translation preview manuals... as the other s don't get updated 15:46 caroline manual.koha-community.org vs translate.koha-community.org/manual 15:46 caroline I put another point in the agenda that is maybe linked to this 15:45 * ashimema builds the manuals locally so check the sizes again 15:45 cait1 you configure the link to the manual in a pref 15:45 cait1 thd that is already possible 15:45 reiveune bye 15:45 caroline so would redirectins work in that case? 15:45 thd We need a better system for staff interface links so that they can direct to a local version with a system preference change. 15:45 cait1 but yes, 16.11 would definitely have the help pages still 15:45 caroline ah ok 15:44 cait1 so we'd break these 15:44 caroline there were no links to the manual until... 17? 18? 15:44 cait1 but the help pages link to the manual 15:44 caroline but I think help was in Koha until more recent versions right? 15:44 lucyvh I don't think we need to keep them all - just longer than only the supported ones - 5 years back perhaps? 15:44 cait1 Sorry for almost totally missing the meeting :( 15:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #28: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/28/ 15:43 caroline it's just the links in the staff interface that bug me 15:43 caroline Because for those who use really old versions, they could download the zip archive and link to them locally 15:43 ashimema and think about somehow slimming them down or increasing disks semi-regularly 15:42 ashimema sounds like we're going back to needing to keep the older ones to me.. 15:42 ashimema dang.. my math was wrong.. it's not 120mb per translation.. it's bigger than that becuase we also build PDF's, and ebooks and stuff 15:42 liliputech_asu if old link are redirecting to new pages, isn'it like some kind of advertisement? o:) 15:41 caroline do we know what it does to the links in the staff interface like lucyvh said? 15:41 caroline you're right liliputech_asu 15:41 thd There may always be new staff members and new use of some features. 15:40 liliputech_asu (sigb => ils) 15:40 liliputech_asu caroline: lol, within an organisation, people move (and the sigb may not) 15:40 lucyvh haha, they should 15:40 ashimema lol 15:40 ashimema scary 15:40 ashimema we do? 15:40 caroline lol 15:39 caroline I mean... if they've been using Koha this long, they know how to use it right? 15:39 lucyvh For those still on really old versions? 15:39 liliputech_asu i think one of our customer even is 16.11 15:39 lucyvh How would this affect the contextual links from the staff interface? 15:38 liliputech_asu i 15:38 lucyvh We have one or two still on later 3.x I think? 15:37 caroline we still have one client on 3.14... so I'm not throwing rocks or anything 15:37 ashimema wouldn't be surprised to find 17.x's out there 15:37 ashimema I bet lots of people are still on 18.05 ;) 15:37 ashimema haha 15:37 caroline do you have clients who still used Koha 18.05 or 18.11? 15:37 ashimema git space on gitlab and the likes is free I believe.. we could stick the archived one's in there and link to them that way 15:36 caroline So do we keep two unsupported versions + sall supported versions? 15:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #21: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U16/21/ 15:36 lucyvh I'm not sure about all unsupported but certainly the very early manuals 15:36 ashimema 'latest' is a sylink 15:35 caroline I don't know how it could work... I was imagining like the thing we have for "latest" 15:34 thd Would redirection use a rewrite script? 15:34 caroline I would archive all manuals for unsupported versions 15:34 lucyvh +1 15:33 caroline everyone OK with archiving older manuals as zip files (hosted where?), and redirecting links to newer versions of the manual 15:33 ashimema she controls the hardware 15:33 thd A disk volume which is not included in automatic backup can be attached on Lindode or the VPS host can be moved to a system with more disk space for a higher price. 15:33 ashimema and possible rangi.. but I think he said last night he's not really able to either 15:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #16: UNSTABLE in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/16/ 15:32 caroline or she just controls the the hardware 15:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #19: SUCCESS in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/19/ 15:32 caroline ok so what are the actions? It's only liz that can do all of it right? 15:31 ashimema I recons so.. 15:31 * ashimema poked her on Slack 15:31 ashimema either way.. to get us out of trouble quick Liz has agreed to take a look after her meeting 15:31 caroline along with redirecting like thd said? 15:30 caroline if that saves space I'm ok with that 15:30 ashimema we could zip up older manuals so they're still available as a download from an archive.. but not as a public site? 15:30 thd Linode has two different means of adding disk space. 15:29 caroline I think we should move toward a more sustainable solution 15:29 caroline but the problem will be back in a couple of months 15:29 ashimema but obviously any increment in disk space is also a price increase for her. 15:29 ashimema but she tells me it's a linode server and is relatively easy to add disk space to.. 15:28 thd Better to add a label to the older directing people to the current version. 15:28 ashimema ok.. Liz is in another meeting 15:28 caroline it would break links in blog posts 15:28 lucyvh We have to prioritise the recent ones 15:28 caroline When I search for Koha something somethinmg, the first results are often manuals from Koha 3.X 15:27 caroline I think dorpping older versions could have the good consequence of haveing only recent information in Google searches 15:27 ashimema I imagine we're on a tiny low space server 15:27 ashimema so it's not all that surprising we're running out of space more quickly these days 15:26 ashimema yeah.. they're growing pretty quick now 15:26 ashimema * 3 (recently translated versions) = 4284 15:25 ashimema 119 * 12 = 1428 15:25 ashimema but when you consider we currently replicate it 12 times for each supported version 15:24 ashimema which isn't huge 15:24 ashimema each manual is currently 119MB 15:24 thd Translated images are certainly better than untranslatable images :) 15:24 caroline what would be possible consequences of dropping older versions? 15:23 caroline yes, eventually 15:23 ashimema but... weren't we contemplating having translated images too at some point.. 15:22 ashimema so it's literally a full on copy of the entire manual for each translation we have 15:22 caroline but I don't think we should keep this many 15:22 ashimema I don't think we share images between translations either.. 15:22 caroline It's interesting for archival purposes 15:22 ashimema the challenge is.. recent versions are much more extensive with the inclusion of translations.. 15:21 ashimema which is an old PDF 15:21 ashimema well.. we host copies all the way back to 3.0 15:21 ashimema https://koha-community.org/documentation/documentation-unsupported-versions/ 15:20 caroline do you know what is the oldest manual right now? 15:20 lucyvh There are lots of old branches in the respository - would removing them make a difference? 15:20 ashimema eventually we'll need more space regardless unless we start dropping older manuals 15:20 ashimema * request some more disk space and do a little drive to help fund Liz's server again... 15:19 ashimema * remove an older manual ? 15:19 ashimema * remove the 21.05 in-development manual 15:18 caroline ashimema: what are the options? 15:17 caroline the manuals aren't being built with the new contributions, if I understand icorrectly 15:17 caroline There is a space issue on the server right now 15:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #35: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/35/ 15:16 caroline anyone has project updates? 15:16 caroline #topic Project updates 15:15 lucyvh Sounds good 15:15 caroline #action caroline to prepare examples of .. Warning:: syntax for dicussion 15:14 caroline I'll try to have one by next meeting and we can discuss if we want to adopt the .. Warning:: syntax 15:14 ashimema nice 15:14 caroline I don't have a ready example though 15:13 caroline It makes it red-orange-ish instead of blue like a note 15:13 caroline I also started experimenting with other ones, such as .. Warning:: that could replace **Important** 15:12 caroline #info From now on, please use the .. Note:: syntax instead of **Note** 15:12 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks#Notes 15:11 caroline From now on, please use the .. Note:: syntax instead of **Note** 15:11 ashimema :) 15:11 caroline this is done 15:11 caroline add to the Rst tips and tricks page how to wirte notes 15:10 ashimema could be 15:10 ashimema ok.. I defer to cait then.. she's better at bugzilla searches than i 15:10 caroline maybe because of the status? 15:10 ashimema humm 15:10 caroline these two are not in the documentation to-do search 15:10 lucyvh ashimema++ 15:09 caroline https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=357042&namedcmd=Manual 15:09 ashimema 'Match ANY of the following separately' 15:09 ashimema the search looks right to me.. 15:09 caroline this was sone today by ashimema++ 15:09 ashimema humm 15:09 caroline divide the syspref file as it is getting too big for updates through gitlab GUI 15:09 caroline #action caroline will document workflow for 21.05 15:08 caroline I was supposed to document workflow for 21.05, but haven't done it yet, so I'll re-action it 15:08 * Joubu lurking mode 15:08 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 15:08 caroline #action change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword 15:07 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #19: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/19/ 15:07 wahanui Congratulations! 15:07 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:07 caroline #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=357040&namedcmd=Documentation%20To-do&remaction=run&sharer_id=13 15:06 caroline cait1 ^ 15:06 caroline cait can you add an OR to this saved search? 15:06 caroline I checked and right now, the search is documentation component AND manual keyword, which is not what we need 15:05 wahanui caroline: that doesn't look right 15:05 caroline change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword 15:05 caroline #topic Review of action points 15:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:02 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK 15:01 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Canada 15:01 caroline please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes 15:01 caroline #topic Introductions 15:01 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_7_January_2021#Agenda 15:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021' 15:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01 huginn Meeting started Thu Jan 7 15:01:10 2021 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01 caroline #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 7 January 2021 14:56 ashimema of course.. koha code is already branched.. 14:56 ashimema branch for the manual that is.. 14:56 ashimema we can nuke the 21.05 version for now I reckon.. but it's only delaying the problem till we branch 21.05 14:56 ashimema which is why all builds are currently failing 14:55 ashimema I've since disabled building 21.05.. but as there's a version there already.. it's filled the disks. 14:55 ashimema I was trying to get 20.11 and 21.05 both built from master at the moment.. as you've not branched yet 14:55 caroline ok I'll add a point to the meeting so we can talk about it 14:54 ashimema but yes.. that's the space issue we have 14:54 ashimema 21.05 14:54 ashimema https://koha-community.org/manual/21.05/en/html/ 14:54 caroline or is that related to the space problem? 14:53 caroline Is there a url for the development version of the manual? I tried changing 20.11 in the url by master, but it doesn't work 14:49 ashimema :) 14:48 caroline Ok I'll try it next time 14:48 ashimema I'm happy to step in and help lucyvh here when the rebase button doesn't work for her for example 14:48 ashimema if that's the case.. I reckon it's OK to comment on the merge request asking them to rebase it for you.. i.e. suggesting they click the button (or do the manual command line fixing).. 14:47 caroline I see it when it's my own request 14:47 caroline that's probably why I sometimes see it and sometimes not 14:47 caroline me either 14:46 ashimema I wasn't aware that's how the rebase button worked 14:46 ashimema aha.. 14:46 Joubu the problem is that only the author can click this "rebase" button... 14:46 ashimema correct 14:46 caroline are fast-forward merges where it doesn't create a commit for the merge? 14:46 ashimema hehe 14:46 ashimema but.. means you always have to rebase... sometimes that is as simple as clicking the button (likely when files being changed don't clash).. other times it needs the manual intervention 14:46 Joubu :D 14:46 Joubu it's a feature! 14:45 ashimema and highlights merge issues early 14:45 ashimema keeps the tree looking clean 14:45 ashimema it's because we require branches to be rebased to always create a 'fast forward' merge 14:44 * ashimema sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/juHzPPYiyZzIHNyqPJvCBokW/message.txt > 14:44 ashimema it's a setting 14:43 caroline I don't get why it doesn't want to merge when the files changed aren't even the same 14:43 ashimema it's the bread and butter for developers 14:42 ashimema rebases often need a bit of manual help 14:42 caroline sometimes not 14:42 ashimema I think we need to beg Liz for some additional server space 14:42 caroline sometimes there is a rebase button 14:42 ashimema pipeline emails wise, yeah.. 14:42 ashimema basically, first merge will 'beat' all the others.. then all those others will need 're-basing' 14:41 caroline I've also had several failed pipelines emails, but I think we have some decisions to make about that right? 14:41 ashimema I think gitlab is fairly cautious on showing that button 14:41 caroline yup it's there now 14:40 ashimema so the button should now work as expected 14:40 ashimema I just 'pull --rebase' the branch and pushed it back up over my original merge request 14:40 ashimema well.. in this case.. as I had it all already here.. 14:40 ashimema ok.. 14:40 ashimema hehe 14:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26367: Unit test <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd83fbe58d6f3ee2cd15880acaaccd495007c83f> 14:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26367: Prevent warn about undefined values when record level hold has an itemtype <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2e2a3975fb66d8c2e2766ecbe014fb71952e6d0> 14:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Don't skip records that match the isbn we passed <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=86617ba7cd54cbeb7f2241468cd3e10f20d2bc27> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Remove false matches on isbn <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=854d404a9c161845731d39980165f8d641713a80> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Remove useless condition <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b22c3846caa2004b411c6bd19a5d41bc602e704> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Don't discard the passed isbn <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=feb7f5f6dd89f58f3b027898705fb0fa57a051ab> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Adjust unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9063ba246bd020de83bc67964a08855a73ccb24> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27252: Add deprecation warning, cross_fields pref, and add version to ES info <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=181267bd2bf66a5efd065b48149eed4ff1044599> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27252: DBRev 20.12.00.001 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f255be3e510942ee1d0211792a4d650aaf938808> 14:38 caroline My resolution is to marge them as quickly as possible, but I can't control when ppl will send requests 14:38 ashimema ha.. I bet you just merged someone else? 14:38 caroline It always happens if I get more than one merge request 14:38 ashimema well.. let me quickly test this extra fix locally first ;) 14:37 ashimema I see 14:37 caroline sometimes I do it and it works, other time not, and since I have no idea what I'm doing, I don't know what makes it hapy or not 14:36 caroline ok it says I can't merge automatically, so I was wondering if you had time to walk me through the commands 14:36 ashimema but yeah. fire away.. how can I help 14:36 ashimema oh, found a minor bug.. will take a look at fixing that before you get to merging it 14:35 ashimema nah, fire away 14:35 caroline aw! 14:35 ashimema though it's the cat that's more distracting at this precise minute.. he's decided it's his turn for some attention 14:35 caroline nvm then XD 14:35 caroline lol! 14:35 ashimema yup ;) 14:34 caroline do you have kids screaming at you right now? 14:33 caroline I was trying to make subfiles, but couldn't magane it 14:33 caroline that is what I was struggling to do also 14:32 ashimema anywho... should make things a bit easier ;) 14:32 ashimema the magic ingredient that took me a little while to find is the introduction of an additional `.. toctree::` element at the bottom of the new 'globalpreferences.rst' file 14:32 caroline it was in the action points from last meeting 14:31 ashimema might be worth raising in your meeting later.. lucyvh asked for some help as she was really struggling with that file 14:31 caroline I wanted to do it, but never got around to it 14:30 caroline ah thank you! 14:30 ashimema it's an 'interesting' one 14:30 ashimema https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/merge_requests/438 14:30 ashimema I just submitted a merge request for the manual for you 14:30 caroline yes 14:28 ashimema caroline around yet? 13:41 oleonard ✅ 13:32 fridolin we have run a check in sysprefs type and value for our old Koha and we found those two bugs ;) 13:31 oleonard ðŸ‘🻠13:30 fridolin oleonard: thanks a lot for testing, if you want ^ 13:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27349 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Mana system preference wrong type YesNo 13:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27351 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , UsageStatsCountry system preference wrong type YesNo 13:30 fridolin Bug 27351 same as Bug 27349 13:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #34: FIXED in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/34/ 13:03 wahanui Congratulations! 13:03 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 12:32 tcohen hi cait1 12:29 cait1 hi tcohen and all 12:14 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "diff --git a/Koha/Object.pm b/" (39 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27212 11:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #33: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/33/ 11:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #27: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/27/ 11:37 wahanui Congratulations! 11:37 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 11:33 oleonard Hi #koha 11:18 tcohen buen dÃa 11:10 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:10 Joubu @later tell tcohen 27071 what's next? 11:07 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:07 Joubu @later tell AndrewFW Added a note for you on bug 27062 comment 7 10:56 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27355 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Missing sip.enabled after upgrade to 20.05.x 10:56 Joubu tcohen, mtj: bug 27355, any ideas on how we could fix that? 09:29 Joubu erk 21th is Thursday! 09:13 Joubu gmcharlt: can you create the 2021 entry at meetings.k-c.org please? 09:12 Joubu To prepare the meetings, deal with tz, chair, ask people if they did their "actions" for the next meetings, etc. 09:12 cait1 hm i thought we had that for a while even 09:11 Joubu We need one (or 2) "meeting managers" 09:11 Joubu I don't think the RM is the one to chair the meeting, I've started this habit when I was RM 17.11, but I was already chairing the meeting prior to that 09:10 * cait1 waves to all around 09:10 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_6_january_2021.2021-01-07-09.09.log.html 09:10 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_6_january_2021.2021-01-07-09.09.txt 09:10 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_6_january_2021.2021-01-07-09.09.html 09:10 huginn Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 09:10:04 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 09:10 Joubu #endmeeting 09:09 ashimema morning 09:09 Joubu #info Next meeting: 21 January 2021, 14 UTC 09:09 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting 09:09 Joubu #info Meeting postponed 09:09 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_6_january_2021' 09:09 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 09:09 huginn Meeting started Thu Jan 7 09:09:18 2021 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:09 Joubu #startmeeting General IRC meeting 6 January 2021 09:09 Joubu Postponing yesterday's meeting 09:06 Nioku Thank you very much ! 09:05 cait1 what you can#t do is control access - say only make the links work for registered users 09:04 cait1 You can upload files in Koha and your records can display the links to them 09:01 Nioku Hey ! By consult, I meant access (read) digitized articles. The project is about a school's library that would digitize various articles and they would want access to those for their students 08:57 cait1 can you be a bit more specific about what you mean by consult? 08:57 cait1 hi Nioku 08:52 Nioku Hello ! As part of my studies, I have to realize a fictitious project and we have to propose two software solutions. Koha seems perfect for this exercise, however, one of the instructions specifies the need to consult digital documents on the online catalog. Does Koha have this feature? 08:48 cait1 at least 08:48 cait1 yep 08:48 magnuse i think it means that sip2 can not be automatically restarted after the upgrade, so it stays off. that might deserve "normal"? 08:46 cait1 is minor ok? 08:42 magnuse cait1: yeah, leaving it at enh was an oversight 08:27 cait1 happy new year, paul_p 08:19 cait1 but sure sounds more like a bug than an enh? 08:19 cait1 just upgraded that to minor - not sure if that is severe enough? 08:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27355 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Missing sip.enabled after upgrade to 20.05.x 08:16 magnuse oops, bug 27355 caught me by surprise after upgrading to 20.05.x 07:59 wahanui privet, alex_a 07:59 alex_a Bonjour 07:43 reiveune hello 00:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #209: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/209/ 00:28 dcook Nvm 00:28 dcook Oh wait... I'm silly 00:28 dcook Hmm I must be doing something wrong as the numbers aren't adding up on https://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 00:26 dcook happy new year doppelganger alexbuckley 00:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U2010 build #73: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U2010/73/