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22:50 wahanui       Congratulations!
22:50 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
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22:02 caroline      anyway, for logs and future reference, the OpacHiddenItemsExceptions syspref was added in 18.11
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22:00 caroline      ah, I was just about to answer
21:55 Vero          18.05
21:55 Vero          I don't see the 'OpacHiddenItemsException
21:55 Vero          hi
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19:28 ashimema      But I meant dinner
19:28 marie-luce    a good excuse to have a nice cup of tea with a scone
19:28 ashimema      Strictly I suppose it does really mean, drink and cake..
19:28 caroline      and also a beverage
19:27 ashimema      Tea can mean all of the above, haha
19:27 ashimema      We use various terms interchangeably here
19:27 caroline      or 'afternoon tea' maybe?
19:27 caroline      maybe?
19:26 marie-luce    do you mean high tea?
19:25 caroline      ok! I thought it was maybe like a light afternoon meal between lunch and supper
19:24 ashimema      Supper, dinner... Evening meal
19:24 caroline      Is tea like supper or it's another meal entirely?
19:23 caroline      thanks ashimema!
19:23 huginn        ashimema: The operation succeeded.
19:23 ashimema      @later tell rangi looks like we ran out of space for the last push, which included translations, for the manual 20.05 branch.
19:22 ashimema      That'll need looking at by rangi :(
19:22 ashimema      Looks like the server ran out of space
19:18 ashimema      Just eating tea
19:18 ashimema      I'll take a look shortly
19:01 caroline      ashimema: I just got a message saying the pipeline has failed :(
19:00 marie-luce    thanks everyone
19:00 lucyvh        Thanks everyone!
18:59 caroline      yay! thanks everyone! :D
18:59 huginn        Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_10_december_2020.2020-12-10-18.01.log.html
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18:59 caroline      #endmeeting
18:59 caroline      #info Next meeting: 7 January 2021, 15 UTC
18:58 lucyvh        7th Jan suits me
18:58 lucyvh        ashimena +1
18:58 caroline      today the meeting was at 18UTC, maybe we can do it earlier
18:57 marie-luce    suits me
18:57 caroline      4 weeks from now is Jan 7, sound good?
18:56 ashimema      lucyvh, weay be calling on you for help there.. hebe
18:56 * ashimema    will be trying to for his Devs anyways..
18:56 caroline      #topic  Set time of next meeting
18:56 marie-luce    :)
18:56 caroline      I like your optimism ashimema! :D
18:55 ashimema      But also.. hopefully this time around Devs will be documenting as we go.. :)
18:55 caroline      #info Check Taiga for things to write about :D
18:55 ashimema      You have at least a month ;)
18:55 caroline      #info Priorities : continue documenting 20.11 for the time being
18:54 caroline      I don't think there are any major developments in 21.05 yet, so continue documenting 20.11
18:54 caroline      #topic  Next steps
18:53 wahanui       anything else is, like, necessarily going to be incremental
18:53 caroline      anything else?
18:52 caroline      ok cool! :D
18:52 caroline      #info going forward use the note command when adding notes to the manual
18:52 caroline      #action caroline will add to the Rst tips and tricks page how to wirte notes
18:51 marie-luce    warning, perhaps?
18:50 caroline      And I'll try to find out if there is a different one for "Important"
18:50 lucyvh        And standardises the indenting which is good
18:50 caroline      Ok I'll add the command on this page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks
18:49 lucyvh        Yes, looks good
18:49 marie-luce    it really does highlight the message
18:49 caroline      what do you think?
18:49 thd           The URI character limit problem can be tripped over when using long and/or many GET strings after the question mark for a bookmarkable context.  Use POST requests but then bookmarkable context is more difficult.
18:49 caroline      maybe we can change the color scheme, but even if we can't I think we should do notes like this
18:48 caroline      I think that looks really nice
18:48 caroline      see the blue box?
18:48 caroline      https://koha-community.org/manual/20.11/en/html/installation.html#language-picker
18:47 caroline      let me just find one
18:47 caroline      I noticed there is a command (or whatever it's called) to make notes look nice
18:47 lucyvh        :)
18:46 caroline      We have some time left I wanted to talk about notes
18:46 caroline      yay! I'm so glad we're doing this! It's always bugged me
18:46 caroline      #info when updating or adding a new image, use the filename and if the section is not already created, create it
18:46 marie-luce    +1
18:45 caroline      #agreed use filename rather than imageXXXX for image aliases and separate like they are in the directory
18:44 lucyvh        OKay
18:44 caroline      so filename rather than filename.png
18:44 caroline      without the extension
18:44 thd           MS Windows has the biggest constraint on filenames where some low level systems could still be tied to old MS DOS pathname limits such as 255 characters for the full path.
18:43 caroline      I like the idea of the filename
18:42 caroline      ok, I don't think we need to worry about this... we already have 60 characters in our URL for images, then if a filename is too big, we'll have to worry about it on a case by case basis
18:41 thd           Filenames have an OS limit.
18:41 * oleonard    whispers "Too many to worry about"
18:41 thd           URI character limit is hundreds of characters and not easily reached except by automated extension of naming.
18:40 caroline      how many?
18:40 thd           there is a character limit on URIs
18:40 caroline      I don't think so
18:39 lucyvh        +1
18:39 marie-luce    is there a character limit on file name?
18:39 thd           Something like semantic_something-semantic_something_else-number would give a smaller more manageable scope to numbers.
18:38 caroline      makes sense?
18:38 caroline      and add the module section if it's not already there
18:38 caroline      Ok so how about this, if you update or add a new image, use the filename instead of imageXXXX
18:38 lucyvh        Split up as they are in source/ images?
18:38 marie-luce    sounds good, much easier to locate in a directory than the whole liste
18:37 caroline      module and then under each, filename, filename, etc
18:37 lucyvh        Good idea
18:37 marie-luce    by koha module?
18:36 caroline      maybe we could separate them like they are in the directory?
18:36 caroline      I would like to have them organized... just so that it's not one loooooong list
18:36 caroline      yeah, I don't see any downsides to the filename
18:35 lucyvh        Just the filename?
18:35 caroline      or just budgetscreen
18:34 caroline      ACQXXXX or ACQ-budgetscreen ?
18:34 caroline      what would be a good convention, instead of imageXXXX, do we add the chapter? Or simply give it a name?
18:33 lucyvh        Yep
18:33 caroline      Like alt text, we can do it bit by bit as we update
18:33 caroline      I don't think it's even thinkable to update this all in one go... we have over 1500 images
18:32 caroline      Good idea
18:32 lucyvh        Maybe not practical though
18:31 lucyvh        I was thinking it might be better to update images in sections, rather than piecemeal.  So do a couple of sections each release?
18:31 lucyvh        I struggle with the images
18:30 lucyvh        That sounds like a good idea
18:30 caroline      I was wondering if anyone had suggestions/comments/ideas/objections?
18:29 caroline      We talked about this some years ago, but no decision was taken
18:29 caroline      Incremental names are easy, but they cause problems when people work on the manual at the same time
18:29 caroline      I was thinking maybe it would be a good time to change the image naming/numbering convention?
18:28 marie-luce    +1
18:28 caroline      too
18:28 caroline      From now on, if you update an image or add a new image, remember to add the alt text tot
18:28 lucyvh        +1
18:27 caroline      I've added it here
18:27 caroline      #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks#Images
18:27 caroline      I think we talked about adding alt text to images last time
18:26 caroline      #topic  Content development guidelines
18:26 caroline      If there is nothing else, we'll move on
18:25 caroline      I guess what's been done so far is smaller things not related to major projects
18:25 thd           I used the former designation.
18:25 caroline      Project updates and what's been done so far are so similar... I never know the difference
18:24 wahanui       it has been said that anything else is necessarily going to be incremental.
18:24 caroline      anything else?
18:24 caroline      #topic  What's been done so far
18:23 caroline      thanks ashimema++ for helping on this :D
18:22 ashimema      I'm just waiting on the OK from Bernardo for me to update his server.. sure he'll be happy for me to but it's polite to ask ;)
18:22 caroline      #info new workflow for translations: pull from https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ then merge in gitlab
18:22 ashimema      Yup
18:22 caroline      yes so the new workflow is pull request from the tool, then merge in gitlab, right?
18:21 ashimema      I.e. let you do merges via the gitlab UI for the translation pull request tool
18:20 thd           Helping family with a mess after sometime employer's death is stealing all my time currently.
18:20 ashimema      Minor translation workflow improvements as discussed earlier
18:19 thd           I am still expecting some partially isolated time for wiki around January.
18:19 caroline      anyone have updates on ongoing projects?
18:19 caroline      #topic  Project updates
18:18 marie-luce    +1
18:18 caroline      +1
18:18 lucyvh        Sounds good, thanks caroline
18:18 caroline      does that sound good?
18:18 caroline      I will try to do it in one go over the holidays, but if I can't I'll write how to do it bit by bit and we can all pitch in
18:17 lucyvh        As I'm the one who complained about it!
18:17 lucyvh        If I know the steps I'm happy to give it a go
18:17 wahanui       caroline: excuse me?
18:17 caroline      wahanui agrees lol!
18:17 wahanui       i guess probably is too hard.
18:17 caroline      probably...
18:17 caroline      I don't know if that would be too confusing for users
18:16 caroline      if you add a new syspref maybe create the file for that section?
18:16 caroline      hm... I thought I had to do it in one go, but we can do it bit by bit
18:15 lucyvh        Is there anything I can do to help with this?
18:15 caroline      #action  caroline (or anyone) to divide the syspref file as it is getting too big for updates through gitlab GUI
18:15 caroline      I started this, but haven't finished... I will try to work on ituntil next meeting
18:14 caroline      last action point from last meeting was to divide the the syspref file because it is getting too big
18:14 lucyvh        Workflow sounds fine
18:14 caroline      anyone, interrupt me if you have questions... I feel like i'm giving a speech rather than participating in a meeting lol!
18:13 caroline      I hope that makes sense
18:13 caroline      Once you've put in the merge request, you can remove the Manual keyword from the bug
18:13 caroline      But basically, it's what I said earlier, for writers, the only change is that ehnacements and new features will not be copied to Taiga, we will use the Manual keyword
18:12 marie-luce    I could give a hand
18:12 caroline      #action  caroline will document workflow for 21.05
18:12 caroline      I was supposed to document the new workflow, which I didn't do either... :(
18:12 caroline      #action  change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword
18:11 caroline      not done, not sure if I can do it on my own or if cait1 needs to do it since she was the one who added it
18:11 caroline      I was supposed to modify the "Documentation to-do" search on bz's main page to include Manual keywords
18:10 caroline      #info all old Manual keywords were removed from bugzilla to start anew with the 21.05 cycle
18:09 caroline      this has been done
18:09 caroline      cait1 and ashimema were supposed to look into cleaning up the Manual keywords already in bugzilla to start anew
18:09 lucyvh        True
18:08 caroline      You can still use Taiga to look for older things to add
18:08 caroline      The manual will be epic no need for Taiga ;)
18:08 lucyvh        No more epics :(
18:08 caroline      #info Use bugzilla and search for the Manual keyword
18:07 caroline      #info Taiga will not be used for the 21.05 cycle
18:07 caroline      So writers, Taiga will not be used for the 21.05 cycle
18:07 caroline      I will also look through what is pushed to master to add the keyword
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18:06 caroline      QA people can add it
18:06 caroline      I think we settled on the Manual keyword that will be added
18:06 caroline      next was me, I was supposed to check with ashimema on how to best insert the docs writing into the workflow
18:05 caroline      #action davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow
18:05 caroline      davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow
18:05 caroline      I will skip david's as he's not here
18:05 thd           If anyone could use thousands of books and can collect them from just north of New York city please let me know.
18:05 caroline      #topic  Review of action points
18:04 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [sometime employer died, leaving tens of thousands of books mess to clean up.]
18:03 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
18:03 ashimema      Evening
18:03 marie-luce    hi lucyvh
18:02 wahanui       hello, lucyvh
18:02 lucyvh        Hi there
18:02 caroline      hi lucyvh!
18:02 lucyvh        #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe
18:01 marie-luce    #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro Montreal
18:01 caroline      #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Montréal Qc Canada
18:01 caroline      please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
18:01 caroline      #topic Introductions
18:01 caroline      #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_10_December_2020
18:01 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_10_december_2020'
18:01 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
18:01 huginn        Meeting started Thu Dec 10 18:01:02 2020 UTC.  The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:01 caroline      #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020
18:00 thd           somewhat awake
18:00 caroline      I guess I'll start and they will come *crosses fingers*
18:00 marie-luce    Hi all
18:00 caroline      anyone around for the docs meeting?
17:55 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #169: FAILURE in 2 min 54 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/169/
17:55 caroline      I haven't checked gitlab yet, just sat down and read back
17:54 caroline      thanks ashimema for the manual translate thing
17:54 caroline      back!
17:52 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #168: ABORTED in 1 hr 16 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/168/
17:51 oleonard      Anyone know what "Actions (NIY)" means on the background jobs page? "NIY" ?
17:48 TimothyAlexis Is there a Koha namespace replacement for C4::Context->preference(<syspref>) ?
17:37 oleonard      jajm around?
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17:16 TimothyAlexis Well that was it. :) I'm thinking, what I've learned about Koha so far there could be something like a Koha::News::NewsItem object to use for inserting and deleting news items from the opac_news table.
17:14 oleonard      But please continue to explain in case someone else wants to jump in.
17:13 oleonard      I can tell I won't know how to advise you TimothyAlexis, because what I know about news is mostly from the template side of things.
17:12 TimothyAlexis I looked at Koha/NewsItem.pm and Koha/News.pm (We have 20.05.03) and these seem rather empty.
17:12 TimothyAlexis I have title, content and lang
17:11 TimothyAlexis I want to insert a news item using code. Temporarily I did it with INSERT INTO opac_news
17:10 TimothyAlexis :)
17:09 oleonard      I mostly know about how to break it :D
17:09 ashimema      oleonard was around moments ago.. he know about news ;)
17:09 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #345: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/345/
17:09 wahanui       Congratulations!
17:09 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
17:09 TimothyAlexis Hello, is there anyone active at the moment who knows about Opac News?
17:08 ashimema      it always had 'catalog'
17:08 ashimema      nope.. I misread the original
16:58 ashimema      'LibraryNameTItle' vs "{LibraryNameTitle} catalog" for example?
16:58 ashimema      hmm, he also introduced some actual string changes unless I'm mistaken
16:57 ashimema      that's weird looking
16:57 ashimema      also.. not entirely sure I understand the syntax around the title element
16:56 ashimema      interesting.. I hadn't spotted that it means adding filtering to all strings
16:55 ashimema      agreed
16:55 oleonard      I don't think you can make a strong argument that the syntax is too complicated for developers to learn
16:54 ashimema      ?
16:54 oleonard      IMO the opposition the syntax is not strongly supported
16:53 ashimema      it's like adding the filters.. it just happens most of the time now as second nature.
16:52 ashimema      personally, I'm generally for consistency.. if we can get consistent about it, it's no more work for devs because there's nice clear examples everywhere on how to do it.. so it just becomes a yellow brick road.. even if initially it may feel harder
16:51 ashimema      I think the arguments were mostly around performance.. and I think jajm proved that was a non-issue?
16:50 tuxayo        Discussion about whether or not we should use t() everywhere which is more work for devs?
16:50 tuxayo        Me too, I'm not sure to understand the current state of the bug.
16:37 oleonard      I'd love to see that move forward.
16:37 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26392 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Wrap all translatable strings in opac-main.tt
16:37 oleonard      If any QA folks are around can I suggest Bug 26392?
16:26 reiveune      bye
16:19 ashimema      so.. hit the merge button and you should find the translations get merged and built
16:18 ashimema      that one is from my repo however.. it's just a clone of what bernardo creates so I could test the workflow locally :)
16:18 ashimema      to get you started.. you should be able to see such a merge request for the 20.05 branch already..
16:18 ashimema      you'll still need to ask for the translations to be built each time you want them.. for now.. but the merge request should be a bit more managable. :)
16:17 ashimema      so, caroline.. I've asked permission to update the git version on the translate server.. then once that's done the process will create a nice merge-request you can just click to merge onces it's done.
16:17 ashimema      thanks :)
16:11 Joubu         trust it or not :D
16:11 Joubu         https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46184201/sending-multiple-options-via-push-option-in-git-push
16:11 Joubu         "With Git 2.10 a new option came [--push-option=]."
16:07 ashimema      I want to use `git push --push-option` but can't for the life of me work out what version of git I need
16:07 ashimema      anyone got any idea's where i can find out what version of git introduced a feature?
15:56 ashimema      I'm testing some things locally
15:56 ashimema      caroline.. if you spot a new merge request from me in the next few mins.. ignore it..
15:19 kidclamp      i.e. Records of those types aren't going to be linked to authorities
15:19 kidclamp      Joubu: yes - we could add those types to avoid that issue, though we don't really support them
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15:16 wahanui       Congratulations!
15:16 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
15:09 ashimema      hahahahaha
15:09 ashimema      a bash script.. that's called by a C program.. that's called by a php script..
15:09 ashimema      yeah.. I see it
15:08 Joubu         there is a bash script
15:08 Joubu         ashimema: no
15:07 ashimema      blimey.. he wrote this in C
15:05 caroline      I have to leave soon (partner has appt. at the hospital) hopefully I'll be back in time for the docs meeting later *crosses fingers*
15:04 caroline      that would be great! <3
15:04 ashimema      OK.. give me a few minutes.. I'm going to find the script on the translation server and see if I can update it to submit a merge request directly on gitlab for you.. then it should be a simple matter of clicking the merge button
15:03 caroline      then a list of files
15:02 caroline      Translation update - Koha manual 20.05 - 20201204 (2020-12-04 11:03:20 -0300)
15:02 caroline      for you to fetch changes up to 6a8a7cde3827150498ffd6250df35aae9fab0726:
15:02 caroline      git@gitlab.com:bgkriegel/koha-manual.git
15:02 caroline      are available in the git repository at:
15:02 caroline      taiga830 (2020-09-17 21:42:54 +0000)
15:02 caroline      The following changes since commit 6b2330314ed09e771fc07b9aa7a7261d2dfae8fe:
15:02 caroline      yes
15:01 ashimema      have you got the email it sends?
15:01 caroline      no I only filled the online tool
15:00 caroline      (my version of the manual)
15:00 ashimema      and you checked out the branch bernardo points to in the email?
15:00 caroline      yes I have my gitlab
15:00 ashimema      so.. you have a local git repo on your system right..
15:00 ashimema      riiiiight
14:59 caroline      If not, someone must rebuild it manually."
14:59 caroline      After that the manual should be rebuilt, which I think is done automatically on each commit.
14:59 caroline      then "to update the manual in k-c site you need first to update the po files in the main repository (20.05 branch), using the pull request.
14:59 caroline      You only need to fill in an email and select the manual branch."
14:59 caroline      For that you can use https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ to get a pull request to merge updates from pootle into the main repo.
14:59 caroline      Here's what Bernardo said "It's exactly that, we need someone to update the corresponding branches of the repository (I can't)
14:59 ashimema      it looks to me like bernardo has replicated how we do koha releases..
14:59 ashimema      Joubu.. how did you say you had it setup with rangi?
14:59 ashimema      ok
14:59 caroline      no I wasn't aware I had to push :(
14:58 ashimema      so not pushed the change to gitlab?
14:58 ashimema      pulled locally
14:58 caroline      *except
14:58 caroline      nothing expect pull 20.05 last week
14:58 ashimema      it sounded like you were trying to get them into the community facing manuals
14:57 ashimema      right... so what have you done so far on the translations front
14:57 ashimema      I'm confused again
14:57 ashimema      but I thought caroline was backporting some things
14:57 caroline      Yes like I said last time, I only backport if the writer specifies it's for a version
14:56 Joubu         things are not backported, that's why only master was updated :)
14:56 Joubu         oui, la crémière
14:56 ashimema      in fact.. that last thing I see on 20.05 is from 3 months ago
14:56 caroline      I asked Bernardo and he said I had to first pull using this tool https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ and then rebuild
14:55 ashimema      I'm not seeing a commit anywhere for that?
14:55 ashimema      did you say you'de just merged them or something?
14:55 ashimema      * so.. translations wise
14:55 ashimema      so.. translations wide
14:54 caroline      ashimema: cool! thanks!
14:54 caroline      does the not nice version involve the milkmaid or something?
14:53 ashimema      when you do decide you're happy to branch.. let me know caroline and i'll try to help.. it will need a couple of commits on that ci file to get things right
14:52 ashimema      the pipeline is running ;)
14:52 ashimema      we'll see in a minute if it works
14:51 ashimema      i.e. push the master branch for both 20.11 and 21.05 directories
14:51 Joubu         (that's the nice version)
14:50 caroline      In French the saying is "having the butter and the money from the butter"
14:50 ashimema      a double rsync
14:50 caroline      what's your idea for the branching ashimema? (still waiting to have my cake and it eat)
14:48 cait1         you build the translated manuals, but without the latest translations
14:47 cait1         which is used for the website builds
14:47 cait1         the po files bernardo makes are not making their way into the manual repo
14:47 cait1         i don't think it is
14:47 Joubu         that was how it was supposed to work when I set it up with rangi 3y ago
14:47 cait1         caroline just updated the po files
14:46 Joubu         for master
14:46 Joubu         it is automated
14:46 cait1         but we also shoudl find a way to get the po files submitted to the main repo
14:46 cait1         like the files
14:46 ashimema      I thought we did
14:46 ashimema      we just don't yet push that to the community server as well
14:46 cait1         so we could either move the already done work
14:46 cait1         yes
14:46 ashimema      well.. it kinda already happens.. bernardo does it on the translations server..
14:46 cait1         i think we didn't figure out the technical way
14:45 ashimema      so I backed away
14:45 ashimema      but then, I have vague recollections of bernardo, joubu and I all stepping on each others toes at the time
14:45 cait1         but then you guys never figured out how!
14:45 cait1         lol yes
14:45 ashimema      I could have sworn we'd agreed to automate it..
14:45 ashimema      hehe
14:45 cait1         that's a little progress... and i hsould really scroll down to the end first
14:44 cait1         ashimema: but it looks like caroline can handle that part manually now at least
14:44 * caroline    likes cake
14:43 ashimema      actually.. that just gave me an idea... of how you could have your cake and eat it too with the whole not wanting to branch yet discussion
14:43 caroline      seems pulling translations is manual right now https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/
14:42 caroline      ok will do :)
14:42 ashimema      if you have a pipeline fail.. you should poke myself, joubu, tcohen or rangi to come fix it ;)
14:42 caroline      I think rangi did something to prevent the fails
14:41 ashimema      as for the translations side of things.. I thought we'd got those pulling from pootle regularly too.. seems not :(
14:41 caroline      but not anymore
14:41 caroline      ok before we often had pipeline fails
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14:41 ashimema      or emrge
14:41 ashimema      it's how gitlab does 'stuff' when you push
14:40 ashimema      https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/blob/manual20.05.x/.gitlab-ci.yml
14:40 ashimema      i.e the gitlab-ci.yml file describes the pipeline
14:40 ashimema      a 'pipeline' is just some code that runs
14:40 ashimema      well.. actually that build will have not just een translations but anything you backported since may will not have been published
14:40 caroline      what is a pipeline?
14:39 ashimema      if you hover over it, it says 'Pipeline running'
14:39 caroline      ashimema++
14:39 ashimema      see the blue progress meter next to the most recent commit
14:39 ashimema      https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/tree/manual20.05.x
14:39 caroline      I think the fr-FR team mentioned it once, but we asked for examples and they never replied
14:39 ashimema      you can see the pipeline is running now if you take a look at the page
14:38 ashimema      can't believe we hadn't spotted that the 20.05 manuals were not getting built :(
14:38 ashimema      but translations is a different thing
14:38 caroline      ok that's good
14:38 ashimema      yes
14:38 caroline      I meant if the line is changed properly, will the manuals rebuild regularly?
14:37 Joubu         that's something you/we should add to the "branch the last stable for the manual" workflow
14:36 Joubu         no
14:36 caroline      Will it work automatically in the future if you fix it like this?
14:36 ashimema      I can fix it now if you want caroline
14:36 ashimema      so.. when we branched we didn't update the ci file properly
14:36 huginn        caroline: The operation succeeded.
14:36 caroline      @later tell rangi can you rebuild the 20.05 manuals in order to have the latest translations applied?
14:35 ashimema      for the 20.05 one it's set to point to master..
14:35 ashimema      https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/blob/manual20.05.x/.gitlab-ci.yml#L34
14:35 Joubu         well yes, ashimema is right. Or we can fix the things :D
14:35 ashimema      that's the 19.11 branch which works
14:35 Joubu         cait1: point him to the .gitlab-ci.xml and tell him we need to update 20.05 "manually"
14:35 ashimema      https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/blob/manual19.11.x/.gitlab-ci.yml#L34
14:35 ashimema      the 'only' needs to reflect the branch you are on
14:34 ashimema      so...
14:34 ashimema      right..
14:34 ashimema      I'e fixed this at least once before
14:34 caroline      I always forget to ask when NZ working hours come around
14:34 ashimema      though.. it looks to me like the 'only' is setup incorrectly for some older branches
14:34 caroline      ok I'll @later him then
14:34 ashimema      that same line appears for each branch in the ci file so sohuld be working
14:33 ashimema      but
14:33 Joubu         only rangi can do it
14:33 ashimema      you won't be able to rsync.. the key is private and stored securely on gitlab
14:33 ashimema      nope
14:33 caroline      rsync etc.
14:33 caroline      do I have to copy that line?
14:32 caroline      is it possible to do it manually?
14:32 Joubu         lines 34 and 35
14:31 Joubu         we are only doing it for master
14:31 Joubu         https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/blob/master/.gitlab-ci.yml
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14:31 Joubu         hum ok, let me check
14:30 cait1         last updated on de-DE from the website reads:  2020-05-14 22:37:24
14:30 caroline      I'm trying to apply the lastest translations on 20.05 manual
14:30 cait1         they don't seem to update automatically
14:30 cait1         Joubu: we need the 20.05 manuals on the website updated and don't know who can do it
14:30 Joubu         I don't understand what you are trying to resolve
14:30 cait1         but the 20.05 not
14:30 cait1         the 20.11 one got updated
14:30 caroline      I compare the OPAC chapter on https://translate.koha-community.org/zh_TW/man20.05/ and https://koha-community.org/manual/20.05/zh_TW/html/
14:30 cait1         oh ok
14:30 * ashimema    reads up
14:29 cait1         Joubu: ping?
14:29 caroline      nope
14:29 cait1         it looks like they do get updated/changed
14:29 cait1         © Copyright 2020, Koha Community                Last updated on 2020-12-09 22:45:10.        < from the bottom of the manuals
14:29 cait1         hm and they are not there?
14:28 caroline      Dec 4 (last week)
14:28 cait1         when did you do it?
14:28 cait1         well... the other po files
14:28 cait1         was thinkign koha po files
14:27 caroline      lol!
14:27 cait1         sorry, long days
14:27 cait1         yes... i am confused
14:27 caroline      aren't I the rmaint of the manual?
14:27 cait1         did the rmaint integrate it?
14:27 caroline      https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/
14:27 cait1         hm
14:27 caroline      I did the pull request for 20.05 (there is no option for language)
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14:26 cait1         did you do it for all languages?
14:26 cait1         i believe that might happen automatically
14:26 caroline      same
14:26 cait1         i really wish we'd automate that
14:26 caroline      So the only thing left is rebuild
14:26 cait1         then it could work
14:26 cait1         ok
14:26 cait1         aah
14:26 cait1         the ones on the website are separate
14:26 caroline      which i did
14:25 cait1         the ones Bernardo does
14:25 caroline      just before that he said "to update the manual in k-c site you need first to update the po files in the main repository (20.05 branch) using the pull request"
14:25 cait1         if you want to see your translations, you need to go to https://translate.koha-community.org/manual
14:25 cait1         so it might update the manual, but never with the new translations
14:25 cait1         but the po files are never updated
14:25 cait1         bernardos rebuilts nightly, i have no idea for those on the website
14:24 caroline      it is not rebuilt on each commit you mean?
14:24 cait1         we had long discussions about that and never got anywhere with it :(
14:24 cait1         or not the ones on the website at least?
14:24 cait1         it is not
14:24 caroline      bernardo says "After that, the manual should be rebuilt, which I think is done automatically on each commit. If not, someone must rebuild it manually"
14:23 caroline      Anyone around know how to rebuild the manual to have the latest translations applied?
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13:44 Joubu         so it hasn't been triggered yesterday when it should have been
13:44 Joubu         but previous run was on Nov 20th
13:44 Joubu         ha
13:42 Joubu         "Started by an SCM change"
13:42 Joubu         mtj: like https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/158/
13:42 Joubu         mtj: this ^ is weird. I haven't pushed anything today but some Koha_Master jobs have been triggered (and not all)
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13:34 Joubu         (it's fr-CA but it was commented in 'en' as well before we moved to yml where it has been completely removed)
13:34 Joubu         https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/branch/master/installer/data/mysql/fr-CA/marcflavour/marc21/obligatoire/authorities_normal_marc21.sql#L37
13:34 Joubu         it's commented in the installer file, with a comment:
13:33 Joubu         it's related to missing auth types, like CHRON_SUBD
13:33 Joubu         kidclamp: following "Elasticsearch 6 on Koha 20.05 - Reindexing Failure" on the ML, did you also face this problem?
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13:21 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27178 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPAC results and lists pages contain invalid attributes (xmlns:str="http://exslt.org/strings")
13:21 ashimema      easy QA on bug 27178 ;)
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12:59 tuxayo        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Jenkins_maintenance#Draft:_Job_configuration_recommendations
12:59 tuxayo        Meanwhile, here are the notes with the recommendations:
12:58 tuxayo        hmm, even without modification, when I save a job I get "A problem occurred while processing the request."
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12:57 tuxayo        very nice
12:53 mtj           Joubu has a nice idea to fetches from local git repos, for each nodes - to save some network traffic
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12:48 mtj           tuxayo: sounds good to me
12:46 tuxayo        great!
12:46 tcohen        tuxayo if builds are using shallow clones copying fomr /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Source, they need no symlink
12:46 tuxayo        mtj: can I note the 4 recommendations as a draft section in this page? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Jenkins_maintenance
12:26 tuxayo        thanks mtj , I'll check the 19.11 builds
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12:22 mtj           also, 'honor refspec on inital clone' and 'shallow clone' git options selected
12:20 mtj           i think yes
12:20 tuxayo        Should all build have both?
12:19 tuxayo        mtj: great :) should I add the post-build action if I find a 19.11 build that lacks it?
12:19 mtj           ^ if builds have these 2 options set, they can be used on all nodes and not accumulate disk space
12:18 mtj           tuxayo: builds can have 'delete workspace before build starts' too
12:17 mtj           ..it will delete temp files after it has finished, so can be run on all nodes
12:16 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25583 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , When ClaimReturnedLostValue is not set, the claim returned tab doesn't appear
12:16 koha-jenkins  joubu: Bug 25583: Improve wording
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12:15 mtj           hi tuxayo, if the build has 'delete workspace when build is done' in the 'post-build actions' section
12:13 kohaputti     tuxayo, hi, I don't know how the jenkins setup works, hopefully mtj or tcohen has better knowledge
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12:11 tuxayo        hi kohaputti hi mtj Is there a way to know if a job can be run on all runners? I heard that it needed manual work in the runner, symlinking something.
12:08 mtj           thanx kohaputti!
12:07 kidclamp      ashimema++
11:59 kohaputti     mtj, ^
11:59 kohaputti     docker 5 jenkins instance should be available again, I just deleted the docker log file that had consumed all the space on the machine
11:54 oleonard      Hi tuxayo
11:45 tuxayo        hi #koha o/
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11:37 oleonard      Hi #koha
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11:29 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25583 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , When ClaimReturnedLostValue is not set, the claim returned tab doesn't appear
11:29 koha-jenkins  joubu: Bug 25583: Improve wording
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11:00 domm          I was quite sure you had something like this in place already :-)
10:59 domm          ok, perfect
10:46 ashimema      we have a couple of idempotent atomicupdate files for such things
10:46 ashimema      that's how I do it at ptfs-e
10:46 Joubu         hope I understood correctly what you were asking for :)
10:45 Joubu         and you will run the updatedatabase.pl script
10:45 Joubu         commit it
10:45 Joubu         then edit it and create the SQL queries you need (making sure it will be idempotent)
10:44 Joubu         domm: cp installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/{skeleton,your_file}.perl
10:44 Joubu         domm: I would create an idempotent "atomic update" entry
10:11 domm          hey, is there a standard way to distribute/version-control/manage changes to the DB-Config? We need to do a lot of adaptions to various settings and MARC21 mapptings etc. Currently this is done manually in the DB. But we need a way to get those changes to our dev machines etc...
09:57 fridolin      always better plugins ;)
09:57 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27188 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Show current class in plugins home
09:57 fridolin      Bug 27188
08:32 nlegrand      bonjour!
08:30 ashimema      Mornin'
08:18 fridolin      hi there
07:29 reiveune      hello
07:28 wahanui       salut, alex_a
07:28 alex_a        Bonjour
07:18 magnuse       \o/
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02:43 wahanui       Congratulations!
02:43 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
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