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00:50 cait translating the installer and running into: Library Laser
00:51 cait caroline: sorry, was translating and distracted - i think that would work
00:51 davidnind >:o
00:52 cait hi davidnind :)
00:57 caroline cait no worries, I was eating supper :)
00:57 cait just made coffee, hope it helps :)
01:01 davidnind hi cait, it is very late!
01:01 cait i know!
01:01 cait :)
01:02 cait i went ot bed at 6 am yesterday
01:02 caroline oof!
01:03 cait neighbour probably think i have turned into a vampire
01:08 caroline I really envy Myka's ability to speak slowly
01:15 aleisha_kohacon hehe caroline
01:16 aleisha_kohacon presenting live like you did is a whole different challenge!
01:16 aleisha_kohacon but myka is a great speaker too :)
01:20 marie-luce very inspiring talk Myka
01:25 davidnind caroline: I found the pace of your talk was excellent!
01:26 cait what's up?
01:26 davidnind didn't seem too rushed to me
01:26 cait caroline: agreeing with david
01:26 davidnind trying to setup some more photos - how many IT people does it take to get the tech working :-D
01:26 caroline did you? I thought I was speaking way too fast... But I was nervous, so my interpretation may be skewed
01:27 davidnind you didn't come across as nervous either
01:27 cait i always talk too fast - didn't have the feeling with yours
01:31 caroline thank you for your nice words davidnind and cait :) <3
01:31 cait :)
01:32 caroline I will not be tossing and turning in my bed thinking about how bad I did tonight lol!
01:32 caroline (I tend to stress about stuff at night)
01:37 cait same
01:37 cait don't worry, you really don#<t have to :)
01:49 caroline cait do you also have this problem? bug 26619
01:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Shopping basket - The "Print" button is only translated when you are in "More details" mode
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01:51 cait yep
01:51 marie-luce lovely community work in Finland
01:51 cait i just checked our 20.05 something
01:54 wizzyrea @quote add "Beware the tyranny of small differences."
01:54 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
01:55 wizzyrea @quote add "Beware the tyranny of small differences."
01:55 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
01:55 wizzyrea @quote add "Beware the tyranny of small differences."
01:55 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #344 added.
01:55 wizzyrea YAS
01:56 caroline The other one was "Your library is different, but not THAT different" or something like that
01:56 wizzyrea @quote add "Your library is different, but not THAT different"
01:56 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #345 added.
01:58 wizzyrea @quote add "Keep friendly, do good, be kind"
01:58 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #346 added.
01:58 davidnind sorry cait!
01:58 cait davidnind: what did you do...?
01:59 davidnind nothing...
01:59 wahanui nothing is listening on 8081
01:59 cait hmmm
01:59 wizzyrea forget nothing
01:59 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot nothing
01:59 cait hi Jo :)
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02:07 jransom Hi @Cait
02:08 jransom just thought of you after seeing you in some of the KohaCon10 photos
02:08 cait same :) this kohacon brings back a lot of memories of the last one
02:09 cait including the famous road trip of course
02:09 cait was really happy to see Rosalie earlier too
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02:13 lisettelatah jzairo++
02:15 alexbuckley jzairo wonderful talk! jzairo++
02:16 jzairo thanks! we LOVE koha and sharing ideas that we hope others can use!
02:18 caroline jzairo++ really impressive
02:21 marie-luce jzairo++ love the high energy level
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02:55 marie-luce very useful presentation davidnind
02:55 carlos yeah thanks davidnind
02:56 marie-luce davidnind++
02:56 thd jransom: Are you still here?
02:57 caroline davidnind++
02:57 lisettelatah davidnind++
02:57 cait1 davidnind++ :)
02:57 cait1 also for all the hard work on feeding Twitter
02:59 caroline the infamous cart!
02:59 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
02:59 wahanui Congratulations!
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02:59 cait1 for catalog for catalogue I wonder why not using the en-GB translation
02:59 wizzyrea ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
02:59 wizzyrea that
02:59 caroline yes, I thought of that too
02:59 cait1 we do that for some of the Goethe libraries, like the one in london because of the spellings and such
03:00 cait1 https://london.bibliothek.goethe.de/
03:00 lisettelatah Might be good to ask that one in the sli.do
03:00 caroline But if it's just in that one place, it's not a big deal
03:01 wizzyrea ah here we go
03:05 caroline I used to say yes to a lot of those kinds of requests, but now I say, well this is how Koha works (and in my head "get used to it!")
03:08 cait1 lol
03:08 cait1 wonder if I am going to arrive there someday... right now i have too much fun with customizations i guess
03:09 caroline They are fun, but an update can screw up your personnalisations
03:09 cait1 we've probably been lucky mostly so far
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03:10 wahanui Congratulations!
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03:11 dcook_ I think it was cait1 who said to me years ago to customize as little as possible heh
03:12 dcook So many pretty Koha OPACs out there in the world, but yeah so much work to upgrade..
03:12 cait1 well, I know I have a weakness in saying no
03:12 cait1 but we mostly stick to easier stuff or things that really make sense and often end up getting reused for multiple installations
03:13 lisettelatah The bulk of my testing when we update is in making sure all our JQ still works as expected. The last few updates we haven't had too many problems though which is nice.
03:13 cait1 like hiding or renaming things... if that breaks on updates it's usually not the end of the world
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03:14 georgewilliams I recommend adding detailed comments to any CSS or jQuery you add to Koha. It makes double checking for updates a lot easier.
03:14 lisettelatah I also do a lot of checking in the upgrade notes for if there are changes listed that I think might cause an issue (like a div got re id'd for some reason. or a column added to a table that does something based on number of columns)
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03:14 cait1 we usually comment with the ticket number
03:14 lisettelatah Yes, the detailed comments help a lot with the process.
03:15 cait1 that way you can go back to the initial request
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03:15 georgewilliams The comments on jQuery I do now include the breadcrumbs of the pages that the jQuery will affect. That way other people in our office can see what pages are affected.
03:15 cait1 and we can leave internal commentson our ticket system too and often copy the snippets there as well
03:16 lisettelatah That is what Bywater does too when they add stuff. I try and go back and add a more detailed note so I don't have to go back to the ticket if I'm troubleshooting it.
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03:16 cait1 i tend to always include the body id when there is no strong reason for why it should affect multiple pages - limits unwanted effects considerably
03:16 cait1 in the selectors
03:17 cait1 been burnt by strange side effects a few times that were hard to track down
03:17 georgewilliams Yes. I try to use the body ids too
03:17 georgewilliams I've been burnt also
03:17 lisettelatah I either do that or specify the specific page (especially if something doesn't have a unique ID, like purchase suggestion on the opac has the same div as the opac search results.
03:17 caroline I'm so excited for the ES facets! We only have one ES installation so far and I haven't played with it so much
03:17 cait1 lisettelatah: hm if that hasn't been fixed, would you file?
03:18 cait1 they should all have a unique body id, was a project of mine at one of hte marseille hackfests
03:18 lisettelatah Sure. I'll double check on master tomorrow because I had tested initially on a sandbox and didn't have problems and then had issues when I plugged it into my production server.
03:19 lisettelatah I'll check the other code we have that specifies the page rather than a div and see if those are fixed as well.
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03:32 thd lisettelatah: Are people still posting in slido as you suggested?
03:32 marie-luce goodnight all
03:33 caroline bye everyone!
03:33 thd Good night
03:34 cait1 a few new comment son sli.do, bu tmore in the chat on youtube
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06:07 severine_q hi #koha !
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06:32 TimothyAlexis Is this the only use of item.new_status? https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26032
06:32 huginn Bug 26032: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Add 'is new' filter in items search
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07:01 alex_a Bonjour
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07:02 severine_q salut alex_a !
07:05 alex_a Salut severine_q
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07:33 * fridolin waves at Kohacon poeple
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07:51 davidnind waves back!
07:53 ashimema hola
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08:02 magnuse https://twitter.com/RachelHW11/status/1318442463581761538 "Should we do a koha cook book"? i say yes!
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08:29 ashimema Koha Cook Book.. that would be awesome
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09:11 TimothyAlexis I see item.new changed to item.new_status in 2016, bug 16004
09:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16004 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Replace items.new with items.new_status
09:11 TimothyAlexis And it seems that it is only until recently that it is actually used for something, bug 26032
09:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Add 'is new' filter in items search
09:12 TimothyAlexis Does anyone know more about this status?
09:14 fridolin TimothyAlexis: it was develloped by us @biblibre
09:15 fridolin TimothyAlexis: we use it to show a "new" flag in records searches
09:16 TimothyAlexis Are you planning to use it for anything more?
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09:16 fridolin TimothyAlexis: it is also used to generate search on "newness"
09:16 wahanui okay, fridolin.
09:17 fridolin do you have an idea of feature ?
09:18 TimothyAlexis fridolin We have several libraries at our University, some of which have certain new books on display. We are thinking about using this status for those books and to set it manually.
09:18 TimothyAlexis It would serve the same purpose but it would be set and unset differently.
09:19 fridolin you totally can set and unset manually :D
09:21 TimothyAlexis Will it be unset after a certain time, or is that an option?
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09:21 TimothyAlexis We would need it to be only unset at check in and check out of an item.
09:22 TimothyAlexis fridolin++
09:22 fridolin TimothyAlexis: it is not unset automatically unless you configure it in tools > Automatic item modifications by age
09:25 TimothyAlexis Thank you fridolin
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09:30 fridolin TimothyAlexis: your welcome, good luck with your librarians, they are crazy :P
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09:31 ashimema aren't we all crazy ;)
09:34 magnuse oops https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_cookbook_RFC
09:34 * magnuse is hungry now
09:35 ashimema you should link to bug 5158 :)
09:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
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09:40 magnuse ashimema: tweeted it
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09:56 davidnind magnuse++
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10:13 ashimema anyone out there?
10:13 oleonard o/
10:13 ashimema Would people be completely against a notice getting 'reset' at upgrade time?
10:13 ashimema notice template that is..
10:13 oleonard Yeah I imagine so :(
10:14 ashimema I'm working on the ACCOUNT_CREDIT and ACCOUNT_DEBIT notices.. and they're not at all consistent in their veriables for any other templates
10:14 ashimema I want to make them consistent and replace the notices..
10:15 ashimema I'm finding maintaining backwards compatibility... challenging
10:15 ashimema had a feeling someone would say that :(
10:15 ashimema Koha is hard sometimes
10:16 oleonard We offer too much customization :D
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10:16 ashimema lol
10:16 ashimema indeed
10:19 oleonard I'm thinking about a similar issue because we may need to update the syntax of the OpenLibrary search in the OPACSearchForTitleIn preference
10:20 oleonard I can't imagine a foolproof way to upgrade that and accommodate libraries' existing customizations
10:20 ashimema yeah.. it's challenging isn't it.
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11:03 oleonard Hi enkidu
11:03 enkidu Hi oleonard
11:03 wahanui hi oleopard
11:05 enkidu is wahanui a bot?
11:05 enkidu I think so
11:05 oleonard yes :)
11:05 oleonard He was trained to say that whenever anyone greets me :|
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11:22 enkidu but it didn't learn your nick correctly :)
11:28 magnuse enkidu: it's an old joke :-)
11:29 magnuse more bots are listed at the bottom of this page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
11:30 magnuse bots?
11:30 magnuse bots are listed on this page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
11:30 magnuse bots?
11:30 wahanui bots are listed on this page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
11:37 TimothyAlexis After upgrading to 20.05.03 our holds queues are changing order and we are unable to correct them.
11:41 TimothyAlexis One patron was 4th in queue yesterday and today she's 10th. When a librarian tries to change the queue from intranet, it reverts.
11:54 oleonard Sorry TimothyAlexis, I guess no one is around who knows anything to suggest
11:55 tcohen hi
11:55 tcohen I can try take a look, I know aleisha submitted a fix for a holds queue problem
12:11 TimothyAlexis tcohen I looked at the bugs but have yet to find something related
12:17 oleonard tcohen were you thinking of Bug 24488?
12:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24488 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Holds to Pull sometimes shows the wrong 'first patron' details
12:18 tcohen yes, not right now, but yes
12:19 TimothyAlexis http://www.freealization.com/files/holdsqueue.png
12:19 TimothyAlexis The order has changed
12:20 TimothyAlexis Look at the dates
12:39 oleonard I guess this week is the week of discovering bugs with the Bootstrap 4 upgrade...
12:42 ashimema just the man oleanard
12:42 ashimema what removed biblio-default-view.inc
12:42 ashimema just working through a rebase for something
12:43 oleonard Bug 23852
12:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Merge biblio-title.inc and biblio-default-view.inc
12:43 ashimema awesome, thanks :)
12:49 * oleonard could have sworn he submitted his patch for Bug 26735 yesterday... better late than never...
12:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26735 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Overdrive login modal broken in the OPAC
12:49 oleonard ^^ kidclamp
12:50 * kidclamp tosses owen a leonard snack
12:53 oleonard I'm going to pretend it was these: https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2012/10/diy-sesame-sticks-recipe.html
12:56 kidclamp I think pretend internet snacks are whatever you are craving at the moment, also, I don't want knowledge of how to make those
12:58 oleonard I marvel at anyone who can just "have them around" for snacking.
13:03 * cait waves
13:05 cait how did SO get to 28 again?
13:06 * cait recruits ashimema and kidclamp for QA
13:06 kidclamp you blinked
13:06 cait that must be it
13:06 ashimema hello
13:06 wahanui hi, ashimema
13:06 cait kidclamp: but seriously, could you take bug 26697 out of queue? combination of martin and me
13:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26697 minor, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Make translation file for types and descriptions of charges consistent between OPAC and staff
13:07 ashimema yowsers the queue jumped up again
13:08 cait it did
13:08 ashimema 58 in the PQA queue.. dang
13:08 ashimema 52.. I can't type today
13:08 ashimema he has his work cut out
13:09 cait but it's Joubu...
13:09 ashimema true
13:23 magnuse hehe
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13:35 oleonard wizzyrea++
13:37 lukeG1 Good morning
13:37 * cait waves
13:38 cait oleonard: could you check a dsplay thing for me? 26598
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13:39 ashimema man the code involved in bug 24370 is confusing
13:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24370 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Editing purchase suggestion changes the acquisition library to logged-in user's
13:41 cait true
13:41 cait that's why thisis only a partial fix (see notes)
13:41 cait well not reall ypartial, but there are more bugs
13:41 cait i believe kidclamp dabbled with that code?
13:42 cait it's a major issue.. i thought it was worth giving it a try
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13:44 lukeG1 dont understand why these Ubuntu builds are failing right away ^^
13:47 ashimema mjt
13:47 ashimema I think he's on the case for the ubuntu builds
13:47 ashimema cait.. can you point out to me where branchcode is actually set to send to the template?
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13:48 cait ?
13:48 lukeG1 good to know, thanks ashimema
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13:48 ashimema well.. you change `branchfilter || branchcode` to `branchcode`.. but I can't actually see where branchcode is ever set
13:49 ashimema the code in the controller script is an abomination
13:50 ashimema 496 lines of unstructured, uncommented chuff
13:50 ashimema lol
13:51 cait i tihnk i came to the conclusion that the branchcode is the value it actually has
13:51 cait in the db
13:52 ashimema the only place it gets set is within a 'redirect_with_params' internal routine
13:52 cait and we should always use that to preselect and now something from the filters
13:52 cait not something...
13:52 ashimema I agree
13:52 cait i just finished something, let me take a look
13:53 cait kidclamp: around?
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13:53 ashimema I have to go get the daugher from school shortly
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13:53 cait that's ok
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13:55 ashimema the 'Any' setting should work...
13:55 ashimema it passes back an empty value
13:55 ashimema which should in theory unset the branchcode in ModSuggestion
13:55 cait yeah but it doesn't
13:55 cait i thought that was because of the Init
13:55 ashimema hmm.. though it may actually set it to an empty string
13:55 cait but eve commenting out the lines there did not change the behaviour
13:55 ashimema so perhaps catching empty string ans converting it to 'undef' would do the trick
13:55 ashimema inside ModSuggestion
13:56 cait I actually got stuck there
13:56 cait exactly there
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13:58 ashimema try adding `$suggestion->{branchcode} = undef if ($suggestion->{branchcode} eq "");` just above the call to `set` inside the `eval` within ModSuggestion
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13:58 ashimema that might do the trick
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14:00 ashimema Bug 26418
14:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26418 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , The "description" for REFUND accountlines is not translatable
14:00 cait ashimema: could you maybe do it? I can test the follow-pu
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14:14 lukeG1 im sorry about all this noise ^^
14:15 cait lukeG1: that#s ok
14:15 cait :)
14:15 ashimema Not until tomorrow
14:15 ashimema At the earliest
14:15 cait i will try to do it late
14:15 cait r
14:15 cait just a lot on my pile right now too :)
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14:23 ashimema Tomorrow will be fine then of course
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14:23 ashimema Whoever gets to it first
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14:49 cait lukeG1: i thnk 26512 might not be needed in 20.05 - the dependency is not there
14:49 cait have you tested?
14:51 lukeG1 cait, that was a mistake on my part. Reverting…
14:51 lukeG1 Thanks for catching
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15:20 severine_q cait, should we create a dependency with 23376 too for bug 26680 ?
15:20 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26680 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Update (rcvd) to (received) with its own class in basket view
15:23 oleonard kidclamp around now?
15:23 cait severine_q: maybe - i was hoping someone would push the follow-up
15:25 severine_q ok cait, i'll wait for that one !
15:25 severine_q i'm done with Needs on acqui module, let's try elasticsearch now :)
15:26 severine_q oleonard : kidclamp around would be great !
15:26 oleonard :)
15:40 cait kidclamp kidclamp kidclamp
15:40 cait worth trying
15:41 severine_q :)
15:53 cait now we need kidclamp even more
15:53 cait Joubu just commented on the receive breaking bug with a question. argh.
16:04 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23376: If a single item is returned we cannot count <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9b02000eb2602374ca0bfeade53c519b463d148>
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16:15 * ashimema wants to know caits secret recipe for being able to stay up all night watching KohaCon AND still doing loads of QA during the day too
16:20 cait just started my day - qa in the "morning" is easy
16:24 cait ok, that and picking oleonard's patches first
16:25 oleonard :)
16:27 cait ashimema: you can catch up by QA'ing mine... they are similarly nice (mostly)
16:27 cait severine_q: the patch fixing rececies was pushed :) bugs unlocked!
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16:29 severine_q yeah !! let's test another one before end of the day :)
16:30 severine_q not as brave as you cait, I need to sleep and I'm happy there is a replay for KohaCon !
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16:40 cait severine_q: not really brave - i took the days off
16:41 cait this would certainly not work otherwise
16:49 cait woot thx severine_q++
16:51 severine_q tada ! 2 blocked patchs now signed off :)
16:52 severine_q but quite annoyed needs sign off list is more than 200...
16:53 severine_q prepare yourself QA team, I think i'll test a lot tomorrow (and hope i'll do a lot of signing !) !!
16:55 severine_q see you tomorrow #koha !
16:59 oleonard I forget how to enable ILL every dang time
17:10 ashimema If should be easier oleonard.. it's lovely complicated right now :(
17:15 kidclamp did someone say my name?
17:15 cait only like a hundred times heh
17:17 kidclamp what's up? I don't get from the scrollback
17:17 kidclamp or didn't scroll enough
17:17 cait one was the order receive bug - that has been taken care of
17:17 cait (Joubu pushed)
17:17 cait I think Severine was looking for you to help with testing Elasticsearch bugs
17:18 cait i believe she jus threatened to fill up the QA queue tomorrow noe
17:18 cait and i was hoping you could make sense of the suggestions templates
17:19 cait bug 24370
17:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24370 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Editing purchase suggestion changes the acquisition library to logged-in user's
17:21 kidclamp will look in a bit
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18:06 oleonard amoyano++
18:07 magnuse \o/
18:09 aleisha_kohacon hi everyone! we'll be live in just under 2 hours at https://youtu.be/rDKRsHaCOc4 . Please remember to watch the Koha Awards Ceremony at 3:40pm NZST if you can!
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18:11 kidclamp cait: if I am viewing franklin suggestions (but signed in as centerville) when I click 'New suggestion' - what library do you expect it to default to?
18:12 cait for a new one i think the logged in one would be ok
18:12 cait the problem we were tryin to fix is with existing ones when you edit
18:12 kidclamp yes, the attempt I believe was to have it show you a new one for the branch you are filtering to
18:13 cait ah ok
18:13 kidclamp so your fix works, unless we want to fix the otehr part
18:13 kidclamp also, yes, this code is gross
18:13 cait i am not sure i can manage a full fix - it's quite confusing
18:14 amoyano hi oleaonad.. believe you saw vue alternative for circ rules?
18:14 amoyano oleonard.. sorry
18:14 oleonard Yes
18:14 cait amoyano: could we put that code on a sandbo for the librarians at the conf to look at on diy?
18:15 amoyano never use sandbox, but if someone can point me to the right track, I'll be happy to
18:16 cait hm i think if there is a branch with the code that would be easiest probably
18:16 cait wiki
18:16 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
18:16 amoyano give me a minute and I'll upload it to a branch
18:18 amoyano https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha/-/tree/bz-15522-vue
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18:20 cait does the patch require any server side things to be installed?
18:21 oleonard kidclamp if you still have a moment: When I try to log in to my OverDrive account I get the error, "OverDrive Library ID not provided" However I do have a value set for OverDriveLibraryID
18:21 cait I'l try to set up a box
18:21 oleonard kidclamp any idea why that might be happening?
18:25 amoyano cait: It needs to use yarn to build..
18:26 oleonard ...and "yarn install" before you can run "yarn build"
18:26 cait hm the yarn isntall is the issue i guess
18:26 cait the can rebuild css now
18:26 kidclamp is that ahtens or your test server owen?
18:26 cait the sandboxes
18:26 wahanui the sandboxes are down apparently
18:26 cait kidclamp: can you get onto the sandboxes?
18:26 oleonard kidclamp testing
18:29 kidclamp no cait, pinging khall
18:30 cait just though ti might be nice to get more eyes on it - but hope it works heh :)
18:32 cait kidclamp++ thx for the suggestions one
18:33 amoyano cait: let me see if I can get up a server with this patches
18:33 khall_ sandboxes down again? something odd is happening
18:33 khall_ wonder if it's the same issue
18:33 cait mplate process failed: undef error - DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'unfiltered' in 'where clause' at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 145 at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 122
18:33 cait dbic?
18:33 cait khall_: n panic, they are good
18:34 cait i was just trying to set up one with amoyano's branch for a vue circ rule editor
18:34 cait I was thinking it might be nice to get the kohacon crowd to take a look
18:34 tcohen yes yes!
18:34 khall_ cait something caused the container to restart, but koha-testing-docker can't handle that so it goes into an error loop
18:35 cait oh, so maybe i broke something when i treid to set one upß
18:35 cait I was using the remote branch settings
18:36 cait amoyano: the local one seems to working now - just forgot the restart_all
18:36 amoyano so it works?
18:36 cait i think so, have to try out some things to tell more
18:36 amoyano yey \o/
18:38 cait amoyano: how can i set a rule for a library + certain itemtype?
18:39 cait ah ok, i select on the left and on the right it shows
18:39 amoyano yes
18:40 amoyano you can select multiple libraries, categories or item types (ctrl + clic in the left list) and then toggle between them in the right section
18:41 amoyano if you are on mac it's cmd+click
18:41 cait hm i think what i miss a little is an overview of set rules
18:42 cait it' shard to see what you already configured and to see where something might be missing
18:42 cait i do like breaking it up into different sets of rules - holds, fines, etc.
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18:44 amoyano well, it's a first draft, and everything is perfectible
18:44 khall_ It looks like postfix sink is failing to install, imma ping martin, it's his code that I don't grok :)
18:45 cait but it looks quite cool :)
18:46 tcohen besides the UX proposal by amoyano, the idea is to ponder the tools (Vue.js)
18:46 tcohen because there was an alternate proposal implemented with React.js
18:47 tcohen but I guess KohCon is a great time to test UX as well!
18:47 amoyano Another thing a librarian suggested to me was to be able to update multiple rules at once.. for example to set automatic renewal for many kinds of patrons at once
18:48 amoyano I think it would be a cool feature to add
18:49 cait i think that works with yours, doesn't?
18:49 cait the strg + click to select multiple might need a hint :) ubt it works
18:49 cait i wonder if someone could rebase the other
18:50 cait i have never seen it and i fail to rebase it myself for comparison
18:51 cait libraries here often want an export to excel or similar
18:52 cait i wonder if we could still offer a table "view" that is not necessarily used for editing
18:52 cait but with nice filter an dsort options
18:52 cait and column visibility
18:52 cait and all the nice stuff we can do to tables now
18:52 amoyano cait: https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha/-/tree/bz-15522-react
18:53 cait thx amoyano
18:56 cait trying that now too
19:05 cait i like about the react one, that can see more information
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19:05 cait but i am not so much a fan of the horizotal scrolling
19:06 cait and having the options listed vertically (lik ein the vue one) is easier readable
19:06 cait than the column horizontal column headings
19:06 cait phew
19:06 cait not easy
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19:40 mtj Hey folks.. Can someone from bywater kick Jenkins node 1 pleeeese?.
19:40 cait khall_: kidclamp maybe?
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19:57 caroline hello everyone!
19:58 marie-luce morning all
19:58 lisettelatah hello!
19:59 * cait waves
20:00 caroline I'm really looking forward to this first talk
20:01 lisettelatah me too
20:07 aleisha_kohacon Julius is awesome!
20:20 * oleonard-away is feeling like the teacher is about to read his term paper in front of the whole class
20:20 georgewilliams We're not grading you.
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20:21 davidnind this is a great presentation - having trouble keeping up!
20:22 georgewilliams yes. this is an awesome presentation
20:24 lisettelatah I'm definitely bookmarking this one to rewatch later a few times and to share with the other people on our website team.
20:25 caroline the menu example is impactful
20:26 tcohen caroline I've added the gitlab support for installing plugins
20:27 georgewilliams Our office manages 40 or 50 websites for libraries in Kansas. The staff members that manage those sites need to see this.
20:27 caroline what do you mean? As opposed to github?
20:27 tcohen yes
20:27 tcohen we now support both
20:27 caroline ok cool!
20:28 tcohen bug 24633
20:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add support for gitlab searching of plugins
20:28 tcohen Theke's plugin live on Gitlab
20:28 tcohen :-D
20:28 tcohen you reminded me yesterday about this
20:28 tcohen haha
20:28 caroline hehe! at least my talk was helpful ;)
20:30 tcohen it was!
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20:50 cait hi tosca
20:50 cait :)
20:50 tosca hi good morning from NZ!
20:50 caroline hi tosca!
20:56 tosca how are you both??
20:57 cait all good
20:57 caroline good! That first talk was *chef's kiss*
20:58 cait apart from having to knit back becuase i just realized i was so fascinated listening I fell into the wrong pattern :)
21:00 tuxayo he he
21:00 tuxayo btw hi #koha o/
21:08 caroline I don't get the periodicals point... aren't serial issues already treated like items?
21:09 rangi if you make items for them, then yes
21:09 cait hm
21:09 rangi maybe they are not making item records for them>
21:09 rangi ?
21:09 caroline I know of only a few libraries that don't create items
21:10 caroline all the libraries here circulate magazine issues
21:10 rangi something will need more info on before we start working on it
21:10 lisettelatah I asked on the sli.do what specifically she'd like to see there.
21:10 cait i think the special librrareis don't tend to lend the single issues, but often it depends
21:11 cait like in-house vs external
21:11 cait because they are collecting and worried about issues being lost
21:11 caroline but the option is there, so that's why I'm confused
21:11 cait the hold issue might be solved by khall's volume holds feature it ested
21:11 cait i just lost track if it passed or not
21:12 caroline I don't think anyone looks at slido
21:12 cait it allows to group items on a record to be a "volume" so any of them can fill the hold
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21:12 caroline oooh!
21:12 cait i think answers might come later
21:13 caroline I'm working on a migration right now and that is one of their problems
21:13 cait cape!
21:13 caroline They catalogued series into one record only
21:42 cait ah caroline - for bug 26697 - the original bug i filed is non-existnat - i just forgot to translate
21:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Make translation file for types and descriptions of charges consistent between OPAC and staff
21:43 caroline ah ok!
21:43 cait we then changed the bug to bring the files that hold the translatable strings in line between staff and opac (well martin did) so they would be easier to maintain
21:43 cait and not get missed so easily
21:43 cait so ... if you see the translations before and after it's all good
21:43 caroline ok I can sign off then, I guess... SHould I check for something else?
21:45 cait hm i don't think so
21:45 cait if you have a couple different kinds of transactions that should be ok
21:46 caroline Do I just sign off as usual? I don't remember if I ever did one with dependencies before
21:47 caroline I'm afraid it will attach the other patches too
21:47 cait it should be ok
21:47 cait what commands are you using?
21:48 caroline I use this https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Signing_off
21:48 caroline git commit --amend -s and then git attach etc
21:49 cait ah ok
21:49 cait you are in a git installation :)
21:49 cait do you have git bz?
21:49 caroline yes! hehe!
21:49 caroline yes git bz
21:49 cait ok
21:49 cait then sign off as usual
21:49 cait and git bz attach -e HEAD (HEAD = just the last patch)
21:49 caroline ok! anyway, someone can always undo what I do if it's wrong
21:50 cait yep, nothing can break
21:50 cait hi kivilahtio!
21:50 cait hearing lots of impressive presentations form finland these days!
21:50 cait oh
21:51 lari cait: i doubt he is online but i'll forward your message to him
21:52 cait thx :)
21:55 kivilahtio cait: yes, we have impressive people :)
21:58 cait and impressive libraries :)
21:58 caroline Is there a way to add alt text to images in the manual?
21:59 cait excellent question
21:59 cait dunno
21:59 kivilahtio I heard in KohaCon there is some discussion about library automation?
22:00 caroline ah, we have to add it in the images.rst file maybe? https://sublime-and-sphinx-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/images.html
22:00 cait what part of automation?
22:00 kivilahtio I managed to develop and put into production some units of our Free and Open hardware library self-checkout devices. It was a crazy project
22:00 kivilahtio it works only with Koha presently
22:00 kivilahtio uses the REST API and some screen scraping
22:00 kivilahtio no SIP2 whatsoever
22:00 cait free RFID hardware? readers and the like?
22:01 kivilahtio yes
22:01 kivilahtio Free and Open hardware and software
22:01 cait have you worked on writing to tags too by chance?
22:01 cait i had a library asking about this recently
22:01 kivilahtio https://github.com/Hypernova-Oy/lainuri
22:02 kivilahtio cait: we have the technology to read from tags. And I studied the RFID standards, so I can implement a driver to to the RFID tag writing using the library RFID data compaction schemes
22:02 kivilahtio cait: I started work on that to create some test tags, but didn't really need that, so didint implement it
22:02 kivilahtio but we can build whole devices and ship them abroad
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22:03 cait really interesting
22:03 kivilahtio cait: actually I was planning to implement a Python Library which would deal with reading and writing to RFID tags
22:03 kivilahtio cait: but we didn't get enough funding
22:03 kivilahtio cait: If we can get more people interested about this FOSS Self-checkout/checkin device, that would be cool
22:03 cait so you will be independent now from the sip vendors? or be one? :)
22:03 kivilahtio it even does RFID stack checkin/out
22:04 kivilahtio so you can place 5-8 books on the RFID reader and it visualizes the individual transactions, and does sorting etc
22:04 kivilahtio I hate SIP2, that's why I created Lainuri
22:05 kivilahtio it is a zero-hassle device. You just point it ot Koha staff client base url, and it figures the rest out itself
22:05 kivilahtio or that is the theory :)
22:05 kivilahtio no fiddlign with SIP2 config or firewalls
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22:06 cait sounds nice
22:06 kivilahtio sure
22:06 cait they are not back yet right?
22:06 kivilahtio and it even works :D
22:06 davidnind Starting back now....
22:07 cait ah yep
22:07 cait thx :)
22:12 kivilahtio cait: And I also always kinda wanted to make a FOSS self-checkout device. How hard could that really be :) Apparently with RFID rather hard. Especially with stack checkout/in.
22:12 kivilahtio Really the motivation was mostly to give something back to the library community in Finland, as a thanks for letting me work there for so long. I have good memories of a lot of good people. It was a tremendous personal effort, and I hope people will find it helpful.
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22:13 kivilahtio But time will tell. I am so busy with a lot of projects these days, so I don't have time to actually promote the thing, so any help would be much appreciated.
22:14 cait i will keep the link bookmarked :)
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22:15 kivilahtio cait: thanks!
22:16 henryb This self-checkout device sounds awesome, kivilahtio
22:16 kivilahtio henryb: it is very good. The UI needs polish, but it actualyl works
22:16 kivilahtio and has been servicing libary users for some months now
22:17 kivilahtio considering that it was a one-man project. I am really hapyp about it
22:17 henryb Very impressive!
22:18 kivilahtio I had to do everything from finding suppliers, to negotiating with them, doing customs, CAD design to build custom enclosures, the clients can choose own colour and engravings. Implement device integrations with C and Python. Write RFID encoding schemes. Backend Front-end databases, you name it :D
22:18 kivilahtio also electronic design, with power levels etc.
22:18 kivilahtio I also designed a free and open hardware and software library access control device
22:19 kivilahtio it has been in use for 6 years now. Very very realiable things that endure harsh Finnish weather conditions
22:20 kivilahtio henryb: https://github.com/Hypernova-Oy/emb-toveri
22:20 kivilahtio the pictures are from the first generation
22:20 kivilahtio presently redesigning the whole things to add a vandal and weather proof keypad.
22:20 kivilahtio The access control device also comes with custom enclosure.
22:21 caroline Is there a list/kanban/wiki page of things that are going to be worked on during the DIY days?
22:21 cait i was wondering the same
22:22 henryb Thinking back to the excellent web accessibility talk by Julius earlier, I think there are some low contrast issues with the default koha OPAC CSS. Can I file this as one bug or should I do bugs for each issue?
22:23 cait you could create an omnibus for contrast
22:23 cait and then file the separate issues linked to that
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22:25 henryb Ok thanks cait I'll do that. But not just now, I should definitely go and get some sleep
22:25 cait understandable :)
22:25 cait sleep well!
22:25 henryb Bye!
22:25 caroline good night henryb!
22:28 kivilahtio gn
22:31 marie-luce virtual hug
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22:39 * cait sends cookies to everyone
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22:49 davidnind Lots of LOL here at Kohacon20 - Fred is awesome!
22:49 cait yep
22:49 cait wonder if he has put in some poetry too
22:49 caroline Fred's talks are always a laugh XD
22:50 caroline My first contact with Fred's world was a poem about a dying printer
22:50 caroline Kohacon18, it was great
22:51 georgewilliams don't encourage him
22:53 cait i loved it too :)
22:53 georgewilliams my favorite Fred poem is the one about the access code in the back of the book
22:53 cait :)
23:09 tosca cait: fully understand you re knit back. i often have to go back when i get distracted while crocheting
23:10 cait i've put it aside for tonight - knitting 2 colors and i really don't want to discover more mistakes in the morning :)
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23:11 caroline oh, I guess I'll have to connect to Twitter for the awards discussion
23:12 cait hm?
23:14 caroline I don't know Kathryn said for online ppl the discussion during the awards will be on Twitter
23:15 davidnind It will be streamed as well - she would love members of the community to be around https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon20/Programme#Day_3
23:23 cait so... nap or QA?
23:27 caroline do you think you'll be able to wake upafter a nap?
23:30 cait yeah... that#s the big question
23:30 cait i think i might instead stare at code :)
23:31 cait if someone else feels like not sleeping - we shoudl start marking some Academy bugs too :)
23:32 * oleonard is not sleeping... but it's still too early for that to be unusual
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23:50 davidnind I'll drink some coffee for you!
23:50 davidnind and try not to put you to sleep with my Wikidata talk...
23:55 marie-luce I'm looking forward to your presentation David
23:55 cait maybe i shoudl have taken the nap looking at my chaos on bugzilla
23:57 davidnind marie-luce: I'm wondering what I'm going to say show too... (no pressure :-D)
23:58 marie-luce I'm sure you are good to improvise!