Time Nick Message 00:50 cait translating the installer and running into: Library Laser 00:51 cait caroline: sorry, was translating and distracted - i think that would work 00:51 davidnind >:o 00:52 cait hi davidnind :) 00:57 caroline cait no worries, I was eating supper :) 00:57 cait just made coffee, hope it helps :) 01:01 davidnind hi cait, it is very late! 01:01 cait i know! 01:01 cait :) 01:02 cait i went ot bed at 6 am yesterday 01:02 caroline oof! 01:03 cait neighbour probably think i have turned into a vampire 01:08 caroline I really envy Myka's ability to speak slowly 01:15 aleisha_kohacon hehe caroline 01:16 aleisha_kohacon presenting live like you did is a whole different challenge! 01:16 aleisha_kohacon but myka is a great speaker too :) 01:20 marie-luce very inspiring talk Myka 01:25 davidnind caroline: I found the pace of your talk was excellent! 01:26 cait what's up? 01:26 davidnind didn't seem too rushed to me 01:26 cait caroline: agreeing with david 01:26 davidnind trying to setup some more photos - how many IT people does it take to get the tech working :-D 01:26 caroline did you? I thought I was speaking way too fast... But I was nervous, so my interpretation may be skewed 01:27 davidnind you didn't come across as nervous either 01:27 cait i always talk too fast - didn't have the feeling with yours 01:31 caroline thank you for your nice words davidnind and cait :) <3 01:31 cait :) 01:32 caroline I will not be tossing and turning in my bed thinking about how bad I did tonight lol! 01:32 caroline (I tend to stress about stuff at night) 01:37 cait same 01:37 cait don't worry, you really don#<t have to :) 01:49 caroline cait do you also have this problem? bug 26619 01:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Shopping basket - The "Print" button is only translated when you are in "More details" mode 01:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #285: FAILURE in 4.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/285/ 01:51 cait yep 01:51 marie-luce lovely community work in Finland 01:51 cait i just checked our 20.05 something 01:54 wizzyrea @quote add "Beware the tyranny of small differences." 01:54 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 01:55 wizzyrea @quote add "Beware the tyranny of small differences." 01:55 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 01:55 wizzyrea @quote add "Beware the tyranny of small differences." 01:55 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #344 added. 01:55 wizzyrea YAS 01:56 caroline The other one was "Your library is different, but not THAT different" or something like that 01:56 wizzyrea @quote add "Your library is different, but not THAT different" 01:56 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #345 added. 01:58 wizzyrea @quote add "Keep friendly, do good, be kind" 01:58 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #346 added. 01:58 davidnind sorry cait! 01:58 cait davidnind: what did you do...? 01:59 davidnind nothing... 01:59 wahanui nothing is listening on 8081 01:59 cait hmmm 01:59 wizzyrea forget nothing 01:59 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot nothing 01:59 cait hi Jo :) 02:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #249: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/249/ 02:07 jransom Hi @Cait 02:08 jransom just thought of you after seeing you in some of the KohaCon10 photos 02:08 cait same :) this kohacon brings back a lot of memories of the last one 02:09 cait including the famous road trip of course 02:09 cait was really happy to see Rosalie earlier too 02:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #80: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/80/ 02:13 lisettelatah jzairo++ 02:15 alexbuckley jzairo wonderful talk! jzairo++ 02:16 jzairo thanks! we LOVE koha and sharing ideas that we hope others can use! 02:18 caroline jzairo++ really impressive 02:21 marie-luce jzairo++ love the high energy level 02:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #84: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D10/84/ 02:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #10: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/10/ 02:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #256: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/256/ 02:49 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #286: NOW UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/286/ 02:55 marie-luce very useful presentation davidnind 02:55 carlos yeah thanks davidnind 02:56 marie-luce davidnind++ 02:56 thd jransom: Are you still here? 02:57 caroline davidnind++ 02:57 lisettelatah davidnind++ 02:57 cait1 davidnind++ :) 02:57 cait1 also for all the hard work on feeding Twitter 02:59 caroline the infamous cart! 02:59 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 02:59 wahanui Congratulations! 02:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #250: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/250/ 02:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #287: FAILURE in 4.4 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/287/ 02:59 cait1 for catalog for catalogue I wonder why not using the en-GB translation 02:59 wizzyrea ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 02:59 wizzyrea that 02:59 caroline yes, I thought of that too 02:59 cait1 we do that for some of the Goethe libraries, like the one in london because of the spellings and such 03:00 cait1 https://london.bibliothek.goethe.de/ 03:00 lisettelatah Might be good to ask that one in the sli.do 03:00 caroline But if it's just in that one place, it's not a big deal 03:01 wizzyrea ah here we go 03:05 caroline I used to say yes to a lot of those kinds of requests, but now I say, well this is how Koha works (and in my head "get used to it!") 03:08 cait1 lol 03:08 cait1 wonder if I am going to arrive there someday... right now i have too much fun with customizations i guess 03:09 caroline They are fun, but an update can screw up your personnalisations 03:09 cait1 we've probably been lucky mostly so far 03:10 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 03:10 wahanui Congratulations! 03:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #81: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/81/ 03:11 dcook_ I think it was cait1 who said to me years ago to customize as little as possible heh 03:12 dcook So many pretty Koha OPACs out there in the world, but yeah so much work to upgrade.. 03:12 cait1 well, I know I have a weakness in saying no 03:12 cait1 but we mostly stick to easier stuff or things that really make sense and often end up getting reused for multiple installations 03:13 lisettelatah The bulk of my testing when we update is in making sure all our JQ still works as expected. The last few updates we haven't had too many problems though which is nice. 03:13 cait1 like hiding or renaming things... if that breaks on updates it's usually not the end of the world 03:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #257: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/257/ 03:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #288: STILL FAILING in 4.2 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/288/ 03:14 georgewilliams I recommend adding detailed comments to any CSS or jQuery you add to Koha. It makes double checking for updates a lot easier. 03:14 lisettelatah I also do a lot of checking in the upgrade notes for if there are changes listed that I think might cause an issue (like a div got re id'd for some reason. or a column added to a table that does something based on number of columns) 03:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #82: FAILURE in 3.8 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/82/ 03:14 cait1 we usually comment with the ticket number 03:14 lisettelatah Yes, the detailed comments help a lot with the process. 03:15 cait1 that way you can go back to the initial request 03:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #289: STILL FAILING in 4.7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/289/ 03:15 georgewilliams The comments on jQuery I do now include the breadcrumbs of the pages that the jQuery will affect. That way other people in our office can see what pages are affected. 03:15 cait1 and we can leave internal commentson our ticket system too and often copy the snippets there as well 03:16 lisettelatah That is what Bywater does too when they add stuff. I try and go back and add a more detailed note so I don't have to go back to the ticket if I'm troubleshooting it. 03:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #83: STILL FAILING in 4.2 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/83/ 03:16 cait1 i tend to always include the body id when there is no strong reason for why it should affect multiple pages - limits unwanted effects considerably 03:16 cait1 in the selectors 03:17 cait1 been burnt by strange side effects a few times that were hard to track down 03:17 georgewilliams Yes. I try to use the body ids too 03:17 georgewilliams I've been burnt also 03:17 lisettelatah I either do that or specify the specific page (especially if something doesn't have a unique ID, like purchase suggestion on the opac has the same div as the opac search results. 03:17 caroline I'm so excited for the ES facets! We only have one ES installation so far and I haven't played with it so much 03:17 cait1 lisettelatah: hm if that hasn't been fixed, would you file? 03:18 cait1 they should all have a unique body id, was a project of mine at one of hte marseille hackfests 03:18 lisettelatah Sure. I'll double check on master tomorrow because I had tested initially on a sandbox and didn't have problems and then had issues when I plugged it into my production server. 03:19 lisettelatah I'll check the other code we have that specifies the page rather than a div and see if those are fixed as well. 03:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #290: STILL FAILING in 4.3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/290/ 03:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #84: STILL FAILING in 4.3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/84/ 03:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #291: STILL FAILING in 4.3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/291/ 03:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #85: STILL FAILING in 4.3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/85/ 03:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #292: STILL FAILING in 4.2 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/292/ 03:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #86: STILL FAILING in 4.9 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/86/ 03:32 thd lisettelatah: Are people still posting in slido as you suggested? 03:32 marie-luce goodnight all 03:33 caroline bye everyone! 03:33 thd Good night 03:34 cait1 a few new comment son sli.do, bu tmore in the chat on youtube 03:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #251: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/251/ 03:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #293: STILL FAILING in 4.3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/293/ 03:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #85: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D10/85/ 03:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #294: STILL FAILING in 4.3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/294/ 03:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #295: STILL FAILING in 4.2 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/295/ 03:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #87: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/87/ 03:49 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #11: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/11/ 03:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #88: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/88/ 04:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #89: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/89/ 04:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #90: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/90/ 04:22 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 04:22 wahanui Congratulations! 04:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #296: FIXED in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/296/ 04:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #91: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/91/ 04:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #92: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/92/ 04:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #93: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/93/ 04:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #94: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/94/ 05:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #95: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/95/ 05:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #96: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/96/ 05:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #97: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/97/ 05:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #98: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/98/ 05:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #99: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/99/ 05:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #100: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/100/ 06:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #101: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/101/ 06:07 severine_q hi #koha ! 06:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #102: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/102/ 06:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #103: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/103/ 06:32 TimothyAlexis Is this the only use of item.new_status? https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26032 06:32 huginn Bug 26032: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Add 'is new' filter in items search 06:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #104: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/104/ 06:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #105: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/105/ 06:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #106: STILL FAILING in 7 min 11 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/106/ 06:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #107: STILL FAILING in 1.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/107/ 06:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #108: STILL FAILING in 2 min 26 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/108/ 07:01 alex_a Bonjour 07:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #109: STILL FAILING in 1.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/109/ 07:02 severine_q salut alex_a ! 07:05 alex_a Salut severine_q 07:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #110: STILL FAILING in 1.8 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/110/ 07:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #111: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/111/ 07:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #112: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/112/ 07:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #113: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/113/ 07:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #114: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/114/ 07:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #115: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/115/ 07:33 * fridolin waves at Kohacon poeple 07:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #116: STILL FAILING in 1.7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/116/ 07:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #117: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/117/ 07:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #118: STILL FAILING in 1.7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/118/ 07:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #119: STILL FAILING in 2.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/119/ 07:51 davidnind waves back! 07:53 ashimema hola 07:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #120: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/120/ 08:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #121: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/121/ 08:02 magnuse https://twitter.com/RachelHW11/status/1318442463581761538 "Should we do a koha cook book"? i say yes! 08:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #122: STILL FAILING in 1.7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/122/ 08:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #123: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/123/ 08:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #124: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/124/ 08:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #125: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/125/ 08:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #126: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/126/ 08:29 ashimema Koha Cook Book.. that would be awesome 08:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #127: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/127/ 08:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #128: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/128/ 08:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #129: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/129/ 08:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #130: STILL FAILING in 2.2 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/130/ 08:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #131: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/131/ 08:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #132: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/132/ 09:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #133: STILL FAILING in 1.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/133/ 09:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #134: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/134/ 09:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #135: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/135/ 09:11 TimothyAlexis I see item.new changed to item.new_status in 2016, bug 16004 09:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16004 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Replace items.new with items.new_status 09:11 TimothyAlexis And it seems that it is only until recently that it is actually used for something, bug 26032 09:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Add 'is new' filter in items search 09:12 TimothyAlexis Does anyone know more about this status? 09:14 fridolin TimothyAlexis: it was develloped by us @biblibre 09:15 fridolin TimothyAlexis: we use it to show a "new" flag in records searches 09:16 TimothyAlexis Are you planning to use it for anything more? 09:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #136: STILL FAILING in 1.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/136/ 09:16 fridolin TimothyAlexis: it is also used to generate search on "newness" 09:16 wahanui okay, fridolin. 09:17 fridolin do you have an idea of feature ? 09:18 TimothyAlexis fridolin We have several libraries at our University, some of which have certain new books on display. We are thinking about using this status for those books and to set it manually. 09:18 TimothyAlexis It would serve the same purpose but it would be set and unset differently. 09:19 fridolin you totally can set and unset manually :D 09:21 TimothyAlexis Will it be unset after a certain time, or is that an option? 09:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #137: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/137/ 09:21 TimothyAlexis We would need it to be only unset at check in and check out of an item. 09:22 TimothyAlexis fridolin++ 09:22 fridolin TimothyAlexis: it is not unset automatically unless you configure it in tools > Automatic item modifications by age 09:25 TimothyAlexis Thank you fridolin 09:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #138: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/138/ 09:30 fridolin TimothyAlexis: your welcome, good luck with your librarians, they are crazy :P 09:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #139: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/139/ 09:31 ashimema aren't we all crazy ;) 09:34 magnuse oops https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_cookbook_RFC 09:34 * magnuse is hungry now 09:35 ashimema you should link to bug 5158 :) 09:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors 09:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #140: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/140/ 09:40 magnuse ashimema: tweeted it 09:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #141: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/141/ 09:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #142: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/142/ 09:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #143: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/143/ 09:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #144: STILL FAILING in 2.7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/144/ 09:56 davidnind magnuse++ 10:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #145: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/145/ 10:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #146: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/146/ 10:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #147: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/147/ 10:13 ashimema anyone out there? 10:13 oleonard o/ 10:13 ashimema Would people be completely against a notice getting 'reset' at upgrade time? 10:13 ashimema notice template that is.. 10:13 oleonard Yeah I imagine so :( 10:14 ashimema I'm working on the ACCOUNT_CREDIT and ACCOUNT_DEBIT notices.. and they're not at all consistent in their veriables for any other templates 10:14 ashimema I want to make them consistent and replace the notices.. 10:15 ashimema I'm finding maintaining backwards compatibility... challenging 10:15 ashimema had a feeling someone would say that :( 10:15 ashimema Koha is hard sometimes 10:16 oleonard We offer too much customization :D 10:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #148: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/148/ 10:16 ashimema lol 10:16 ashimema indeed 10:19 oleonard I'm thinking about a similar issue because we may need to update the syntax of the OpenLibrary search in the OPACSearchForTitleIn preference 10:20 oleonard I can't imagine a foolproof way to upgrade that and accommodate libraries' existing customizations 10:20 ashimema yeah.. it's challenging isn't it. 10:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #149: STILL FAILING in 1.7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/149/ 10:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #150: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/150/ 10:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #151: STILL FAILING in 1.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/151/ 11:03 oleonard Hi enkidu 11:03 enkidu Hi oleonard 11:03 wahanui hi oleopard 11:05 enkidu is wahanui a bot? 11:05 enkidu I think so 11:05 oleonard yes :) 11:05 oleonard He was trained to say that whenever anyone greets me :| 11:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #152: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/152/ 11:22 enkidu but it didn't learn your nick correctly :) 11:28 magnuse enkidu: it's an old joke :-) 11:29 magnuse more bots are listed at the bottom of this page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 11:30 magnuse bots? 11:30 magnuse bots are listed on this page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 11:30 magnuse bots? 11:30 wahanui bots are listed on this page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 11:37 TimothyAlexis After upgrading to 20.05.03 our holds queues are changing order and we are unable to correct them. 11:41 TimothyAlexis One patron was 4th in queue yesterday and today she's 10th. When a librarian tries to change the queue from intranet, it reverts. 11:54 oleonard Sorry TimothyAlexis, I guess no one is around who knows anything to suggest 11:55 tcohen hi 11:55 tcohen I can try take a look, I know aleisha submitted a fix for a holds queue problem 12:11 TimothyAlexis tcohen I looked at the bugs but have yet to find something related 12:17 oleonard tcohen were you thinking of Bug 24488? 12:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24488 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Holds to Pull sometimes shows the wrong 'first patron' details 12:18 tcohen yes, not right now, but yes 12:19 TimothyAlexis http://www.freealization.com/files/holdsqueue.png 12:19 TimothyAlexis The order has changed 12:20 TimothyAlexis Look at the dates 12:39 oleonard I guess this week is the week of discovering bugs with the Bootstrap 4 upgrade... 12:42 ashimema just the man oleanard 12:42 ashimema what removed biblio-default-view.inc 12:42 ashimema just working through a rebase for something 12:43 oleonard Bug 23852 12:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Merge biblio-title.inc and biblio-default-view.inc 12:43 ashimema awesome, thanks :) 12:49 * oleonard could have sworn he submitted his patch for Bug 26735 yesterday... better late than never... 12:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26735 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Overdrive login modal broken in the OPAC 12:49 oleonard ^^ kidclamp 12:50 * kidclamp tosses owen a leonard snack 12:53 oleonard I'm going to pretend it was these: https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2012/10/diy-sesame-sticks-recipe.html 12:56 kidclamp I think pretend internet snacks are whatever you are craving at the moment, also, I don't want knowledge of how to make those 12:58 oleonard I marvel at anyone who can just "have them around" for snacking. 13:03 * cait waves 13:05 cait how did SO get to 28 again? 13:06 * cait recruits ashimema and kidclamp for QA 13:06 kidclamp you blinked 13:06 cait that must be it 13:06 ashimema hello 13:06 wahanui hi, ashimema 13:06 cait kidclamp: but seriously, could you take bug 26697 out of queue? combination of martin and me 13:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26697 minor, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Make translation file for types and descriptions of charges consistent between OPAC and staff 13:07 ashimema yowsers the queue jumped up again 13:08 cait it did 13:08 ashimema 58 in the PQA queue.. dang 13:08 ashimema 52.. I can't type today 13:08 ashimema he has his work cut out 13:09 cait but it's Joubu... 13:09 ashimema true 13:23 magnuse hehe 13:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #101: FAILURE in 6.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/101/ 13:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #85: FAILURE in 6.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/85/ 13:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #90: FAILURE in 7.4 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/90/ 13:35 oleonard wizzyrea++ 13:37 lukeG1 Good morning 13:37 * cait waves 13:38 cait oleonard: could you check a dsplay thing for me? 26598 13:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #102: STILL FAILING in 6.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/102/ 13:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #86: STILL FAILING in 6.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/86/ 13:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #91: STILL FAILING in 6.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/91/ 13:39 ashimema man the code involved in bug 24370 is confusing 13:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24370 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Editing purchase suggestion changes the acquisition library to logged-in user's 13:41 cait true 13:41 cait that's why thisis only a partial fix (see notes) 13:41 cait well not reall ypartial, but there are more bugs 13:41 cait i believe kidclamp dabbled with that code? 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13:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #89: STILL FAILING in 6.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/89/ 13:53 ashimema I have to go get the daugher from school shortly 13:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #94: STILL FAILING in 6.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/94/ 13:53 cait that's ok 13:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #105: STILL FAILING in 6.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/105/ 13:55 ashimema the 'Any' setting should work... 13:55 ashimema it passes back an empty value 13:55 ashimema which should in theory unset the branchcode in ModSuggestion 13:55 cait yeah but it doesn't 13:55 cait i thought that was because of the Init 13:55 ashimema hmm.. though it may actually set it to an empty string 13:55 cait but eve commenting out the lines there did not change the behaviour 13:55 ashimema so perhaps catching empty string ans converting it to 'undef' would do the trick 13:55 ashimema inside ModSuggestion 13:56 cait I actually got stuck there 13:56 cait exactly there 13:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #106: STILL FAILING in 6.6 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/106/ 13:58 ashimema try adding `$suggestion->{branchcode} = undef if ($suggestion->{branchcode} eq "");` just above the call to `set` inside the `eval` within ModSuggestion 13:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #90: STILL FAILING in 7.3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/90/ 13:58 ashimema that might do the trick 13:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #95: STILL FAILING in 6.5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/95/ 14:00 ashimema Bug 26418 14:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26418 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , The "description" for REFUND accountlines is not translatable 14:00 cait ashimema: could you maybe do it? 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I don't get from the scrollback 17:17 kidclamp or didn't scroll enough 17:17 cait one was the order receive bug - that has been taken care of 17:17 cait (Joubu pushed) 17:17 cait I think Severine was looking for you to help with testing Elasticsearch bugs 17:18 cait i believe she jus threatened to fill up the QA queue tomorrow noe 17:18 cait and i was hoping you could make sense of the suggestions templates 17:19 cait bug 24370 17:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24370 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Editing purchase suggestion changes the acquisition library to logged-in user's 17:21 kidclamp will look in a bit 17:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #118: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/118/ 17:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #107: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/107/ 18:06 oleonard amoyano++ 18:07 magnuse \o/ 18:09 aleisha_kohacon hi everyone! we'll be live in just under 2 hours at https://youtu.be/rDKRsHaCOc4 . Please remember to watch the Koha Awards Ceremony at 3:40pm NZST if you can! 18:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #105: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/105/ 18:11 kidclamp cait: if I am viewing franklin suggestions (but signed in as centerville) when I click 'New suggestion' - what library do you expect it to default to? 18:12 cait for a new one i think the logged in one would be ok 18:12 cait the problem we were tryin to fix is with existing ones when you edit 18:12 kidclamp yes, the attempt I believe was to have it show you a new one for the branch you are filtering to 18:13 cait ah ok 18:13 kidclamp so your fix works, unless we want to fix the otehr part 18:13 kidclamp also, yes, this code is gross 18:13 cait i am not sure i can manage a full fix - it's quite confusing 18:14 amoyano hi oleaonad.. believe you saw vue alternative for circ rules? 18:14 amoyano oleonard.. sorry 18:14 oleonard Yes 18:14 cait amoyano: could we put that code on a sandbo for the librarians at the conf to look at on diy? 18:15 amoyano never use sandbox, but if someone can point me to the right track, I'll be happy to 18:16 cait hm i think if there is a branch with the code that would be easiest probably 18:16 cait wiki 18:16 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes 18:16 amoyano give me a minute and I'll upload it to a branch 18:18 amoyano https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha/-/tree/bz-15522-vue 18:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #122: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/122/ 18:20 cait does the patch require any server side things to be installed? 18:21 oleonard kidclamp if you still have a moment: When I try to log in to my OverDrive account I get the error, "OverDrive Library ID not provided" However I do have a value set for OverDriveLibraryID 18:21 cait I'l try to set up a box 18:21 oleonard kidclamp any idea why that might be happening? 18:25 amoyano cait: It needs to use yarn to build.. 18:26 oleonard ...and "yarn install" before you can run "yarn build" 18:26 cait hm the yarn isntall is the issue i guess 18:26 cait the can rebuild css now 18:26 kidclamp is that ahtens or your test server owen? 18:26 cait the sandboxes 18:26 wahanui the sandboxes are down apparently 18:26 cait kidclamp: can you get onto the sandboxes? 18:26 oleonard kidclamp testing 18:29 kidclamp no cait, pinging khall 18:30 cait just though ti might be nice to get more eyes on it - but hope it works heh :) 18:32 cait kidclamp++ thx for the suggestions one 18:33 amoyano cait: let me see if I can get up a server with this patches 18:33 khall_ sandboxes down again? something odd is happening 18:33 khall_ wonder if it's the same issue 18:33 cait mplate process failed: undef error - DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'unfiltered' in 'where clause' at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 145 at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 122 18:33 cait dbic? 18:33 cait khall_: n panic, they are good 18:34 cait i was just trying to set up one with amoyano's branch for a vue circ rule editor 18:34 cait I was thinking it might be nice to get the kohacon crowd to take a look 18:34 tcohen yes yes! 18:34 khall_ cait something caused the container to restart, but koha-testing-docker can't handle that so it goes into an error loop 18:35 cait oh, so maybe i broke something when i treid to set one upß 18:35 cait I was using the remote branch settings 18:36 cait amoyano: the local one seems to working now - just forgot the restart_all 18:36 amoyano so it works? 18:36 cait i think so, have to try out some things to tell more 18:36 amoyano yey \o/ 18:38 cait amoyano: how can i set a rule for a library + certain itemtype? 18:39 cait ah ok, i select on the left and on the right it shows 18:39 amoyano yes 18:40 amoyano you can select multiple libraries, categories or item types (ctrl + clic in the left list) and then toggle between them in the right section 18:41 amoyano if you are on mac it's cmd+click 18:41 cait hm i think what i miss a little is an overview of set rules 18:42 cait it' shard to see what you already configured and to see where something might be missing 18:42 cait i do like breaking it up into different sets of rules - holds, fines, etc. 18:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1458: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1458/ 18:44 amoyano well, it's a first draft, and everything is perfectible 18:44 khall_ It looks like postfix sink is failing to install, imma ping martin, it's his code that I don't grok :) 18:45 cait but it looks quite cool :) 18:46 tcohen besides the UX proposal by amoyano, the idea is to ponder the tools (Vue.js) 18:46 tcohen because there was an alternate proposal implemented with React.js 18:47 tcohen but I guess KohCon is a great time to test UX as well! 18:47 amoyano Another thing a librarian suggested to me was to be able to update multiple rules at once.. for example to set automatic renewal for many kinds of patrons at once 18:48 amoyano I think it would be a cool feature to add 18:49 cait i think that works with yours, doesn't? 18:49 cait the strg + click to select multiple might need a hint :) ubt it works 18:49 cait i wonder if someone could rebase the other 18:50 cait i have never seen it and i fail to rebase it myself for comparison 18:51 cait libraries here often want an export to excel or similar 18:52 cait i wonder if we could still offer a table "view" that is not necessarily used for editing 18:52 cait but with nice filter an dsort options 18:52 cait and column visibility 18:52 cait and all the nice stuff we can do to tables now 18:52 amoyano cait: https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha/-/tree/bz-15522-react 18:53 cait thx amoyano 18:56 cait trying that now too 19:05 cait i like about the react one, that can see more information 19:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #100: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/100/ 19:05 cait but i am not so much a fan of the horizotal scrolling 19:06 cait and having the options listed vertically (lik ein the vue one) is easier readable 19:06 cait than the column horizontal column headings 19:06 cait phew 19:06 cait not easy 19:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #920: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/920/ 19:40 mtj Hey folks.. Can someone from bywater kick Jenkins node 1 pleeeese?. 19:40 cait khall_: kidclamp maybe? 19:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D11 build #50: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D11/50/ 19:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #90: STILL FAILING in 4 min 23 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/90/ 19:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #376: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/376/ 19:57 caroline hello everyone! 19:58 marie-luce morning all 19:58 lisettelatah hello! 19:59 * cait waves 20:00 caroline I'm really looking forward to this first talk 20:01 lisettelatah me too 20:07 aleisha_kohacon Julius is awesome! 20:20 * oleonard-away is feeling like the teacher is about to read his term paper in front of the whole class 20:20 georgewilliams We're not grading you. 20:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #114: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/114/ 20:21 davidnind this is a great presentation - having trouble keeping up! 20:22 georgewilliams yes. this is an awesome presentation 20:24 lisettelatah I'm definitely bookmarking this one to rewatch later a few times and to share with the other people on our website team. 20:25 caroline the menu example is impactful 20:26 tcohen caroline I've added the gitlab support for installing plugins 20:27 georgewilliams Our office manages 40 or 50 websites for libraries in Kansas. The staff members that manage those sites need to see this. 20:27 caroline what do you mean? As opposed to github? 20:27 tcohen yes 20:27 tcohen we now support both 20:27 caroline ok cool! 20:28 tcohen bug 24633 20:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add support for gitlab searching of plugins 20:28 tcohen Theke's plugin live on Gitlab 20:28 tcohen :-D 20:28 tcohen you reminded me yesterday about this 20:28 tcohen haha 20:28 caroline hehe! at least my talk was helpful ;) 20:30 tcohen it was! 20:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #28: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/28/ 20:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #439: UNSTABLE in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/439/ 20:50 cait hi tosca 20:50 cait :) 20:50 tosca hi good morning from NZ! 20:50 caroline hi tosca! 20:56 tosca how are you both?? 20:57 cait all good 20:57 caroline good! That first talk was *chef's kiss* 20:58 cait apart from having to knit back becuase i just realized i was so fascinated listening I fell into the wrong pattern :) 21:00 tuxayo he he 21:00 tuxayo btw hi #koha o/ 21:08 caroline I don't get the periodicals point... aren't serial issues already treated like items? 21:09 rangi if you make items for them, then yes 21:09 cait hm 21:09 rangi maybe they are not making item records for them> 21:09 rangi ? 21:09 caroline I know of only a few libraries that don't create items 21:10 caroline all the libraries here circulate magazine issues 21:10 rangi something will need more info on before we start working on it 21:10 lisettelatah I asked on the sli.do what specifically she'd like to see there. 21:10 cait i think the special librrareis don't tend to lend the single issues, but often it depends 21:11 cait like in-house vs external 21:11 cait because they are collecting and worried about issues being lost 21:11 caroline but the option is there, so that's why I'm confused 21:11 cait the hold issue might be solved by khall's volume holds feature it ested 21:11 cait i just lost track if it passed or not 21:12 caroline I don't think anyone looks at slido 21:12 cait it allows to group items on a record to be a "volume" so any of them can fill the hold 21:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #414: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/414/ 21:12 caroline oooh! 21:12 cait i think answers might come later 21:13 caroline I'm working on a migration right now and that is one of their problems 21:13 cait cape! 21:13 caroline They catalogued series into one record only 21:42 cait ah caroline - for bug 26697 - the original bug i filed is non-existnat - i just forgot to translate 21:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Make translation file for types and descriptions of charges consistent between OPAC and staff 21:43 caroline ah ok! 21:43 cait we then changed the bug to bring the files that hold the translatable strings in line between staff and opac (well martin did) so they would be easier to maintain 21:43 cait and not get missed so easily 21:43 cait so ... if you see the translations before and after it's all good 21:43 caroline ok I can sign off then, I guess... SHould I check for something else? 21:45 cait hm i don't think so 21:45 cait if you have a couple different kinds of transactions that should be ok 21:46 caroline Do I just sign off as usual? I don't remember if I ever did one with dependencies before 21:47 caroline I'm afraid it will attach the other patches too 21:47 cait it should be ok 21:47 cait what commands are you using? 21:48 caroline I use this https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Signing_off 21:48 caroline git commit --amend -s and then git attach etc 21:49 cait ah ok 21:49 cait you are in a git installation :) 21:49 cait do you have git bz? 21:49 caroline yes! hehe! 21:49 caroline yes git bz 21:49 cait ok 21:49 cait then sign off as usual 21:49 cait and git bz attach -e HEAD (HEAD = just the last patch) 21:49 caroline ok! anyway, someone can always undo what I do if it's wrong 21:50 cait yep, nothing can break 21:50 cait hi kivilahtio! 21:50 cait hearing lots of impressive presentations form finland these days! 21:50 cait oh 21:51 lari cait: i doubt he is online but i'll forward your message to him 21:52 cait thx :) 21:55 kivilahtio cait: yes, we have impressive people :) 21:58 cait and impressive libraries :) 21:58 caroline Is there a way to add alt text to images in the manual? 21:59 cait excellent question 21:59 cait dunno 21:59 kivilahtio I heard in KohaCon there is some discussion about library automation? 22:00 caroline ah, we have to add it in the images.rst file maybe? https://sublime-and-sphinx-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/images.html 22:00 cait what part of automation? 22:00 kivilahtio I managed to develop and put into production some units of our Free and Open hardware library self-checkout devices. It was a crazy project 22:00 kivilahtio it works only with Koha presently 22:00 kivilahtio uses the REST API and some screen scraping 22:00 kivilahtio no SIP2 whatsoever 22:00 cait free RFID hardware? readers and the like? 22:01 kivilahtio yes 22:01 kivilahtio Free and Open hardware and software 22:01 cait have you worked on writing to tags too by chance? 22:01 cait i had a library asking about this recently 22:01 kivilahtio https://github.com/Hypernova-Oy/lainuri 22:02 kivilahtio cait: we have the technology to read from tags. And I studied the RFID standards, so I can implement a driver to to the RFID tag writing using the library RFID data compaction schemes 22:02 kivilahtio cait: I started work on that to create some test tags, but didn't really need that, so didint implement it 22:02 kivilahtio but we can build whole devices and ship them abroad 22:02 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #103: ABORTED in 1 hr 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/103/ 22:03 cait really interesting 22:03 kivilahtio cait: actually I was planning to implement a Python Library which would deal with reading and writing to RFID tags 22:03 kivilahtio cait: but we didn't get enough funding 22:03 kivilahtio cait: If we can get more people interested about this FOSS Self-checkout/checkin device, that would be cool 22:03 cait so you will be independent now from the sip vendors? or be one? :) 22:03 kivilahtio it even does RFID stack checkin/out 22:04 kivilahtio so you can place 5-8 books on the RFID reader and it visualizes the individual transactions, and does sorting etc 22:04 kivilahtio I hate SIP2, that's why I created Lainuri 22:05 kivilahtio it is a zero-hassle device. You just point it ot Koha staff client base url, and it figures the rest out itself 22:05 kivilahtio or that is the theory :) 22:05 kivilahtio no fiddlign with SIP2 config or firewalls 22:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #119: FAILURE in 3 min 42 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/119/ 22:06 cait sounds nice 22:06 kivilahtio sure 22:06 cait they are not back yet right? 22:06 kivilahtio and it even works :D 22:06 davidnind Starting back now.... 22:07 cait ah yep 22:07 cait thx :) 22:12 kivilahtio cait: And I also always kinda wanted to make a FOSS self-checkout device. How hard could that really be :) Apparently with RFID rather hard. Especially with stack checkout/in. 22:12 kivilahtio Really the motivation was mostly to give something back to the library community in Finland, as a thanks for letting me work there for so long. I have good memories of a lot of good people. It was a tremendous personal effort, and I hope people will find it helpful. 22:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #103: ABORTED in 1 hr 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9_My8/103/ 22:13 kivilahtio But time will tell. I am so busy with a lot of projects these days, so I don't have time to actually promote the thing, so any help would be much appreciated. 22:14 cait i will keep the link bookmarked :) 22:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #106: FAILURE in 2 min 16 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/106/ 22:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9_MDB10.3 build #57: FAILURE in 7.9 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9_MDB10.3/57/ 22:15 kivilahtio cait: thanks! 22:16 henryb This self-checkout device sounds awesome, kivilahtio 22:16 kivilahtio henryb: it is very good. The UI needs polish, but it actualyl works 22:16 kivilahtio and has been servicing libary users for some months now 22:17 kivilahtio considering that it was a one-man project. I am really hapyp about it 22:17 henryb Very impressive! 22:18 kivilahtio I had to do everything from finding suppliers, to negotiating with them, doing customs, CAD design to build custom enclosures, the clients can choose own colour and engravings. Implement device integrations with C and Python. Write RFID encoding schemes. Backend Front-end databases, you name it :D 22:18 kivilahtio also electronic design, with power levels etc. 22:18 kivilahtio I also designed a free and open hardware and software library access control device 22:19 kivilahtio it has been in use for 6 years now. Very very realiable things that endure harsh Finnish weather conditions 22:20 kivilahtio henryb: https://github.com/Hypernova-Oy/emb-toveri 22:20 kivilahtio the pictures are from the first generation 22:20 kivilahtio presently redesigning the whole things to add a vandal and weather proof keypad. 22:20 kivilahtio The access control device also comes with custom enclosure. 22:21 caroline Is there a list/kanban/wiki page of things that are going to be worked on during the DIY days? 22:21 cait i was wondering the same 22:22 henryb Thinking back to the excellent web accessibility talk by Julius earlier, I think there are some low contrast issues with the default koha OPAC CSS. Can I file this as one bug or should I do bugs for each issue? 22:23 cait you could create an omnibus for contrast 22:23 cait and then file the separate issues linked to that 22:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #265: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/265/ 22:25 henryb Ok thanks cait I'll do that. But not just now, I should definitely go and get some sleep 22:25 cait understandable :) 22:25 cait sleep well! 22:25 henryb Bye! 22:25 caroline good night henryb! 22:28 kivilahtio gn 22:31 marie-luce virtual hug 22:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #300: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/300/ 22:39 * cait sends cookies to everyone 22:39 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #103: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/103/ 22:49 davidnind Lots of LOL here at Kohacon20 - Fred is awesome! 22:49 cait yep 22:49 cait wonder if he has put in some poetry too 22:49 caroline Fred's talks are always a laugh XD 22:50 caroline My first contact with Fred's world was a poem about a dying printer 22:50 caroline Kohacon18, it was great 22:51 georgewilliams don't encourage him 22:53 cait i loved it too :) 22:53 georgewilliams my favorite Fred poem is the one about the access code in the back of the book 22:53 cait :) 23:09 tosca cait: fully understand you re knit back. i often have to go back when i get distracted while crocheting 23:10 cait i've put it aside for tonight - knitting 2 colors and i really don't want to discover more mistakes in the morning :) 23:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #305: UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/305/ 23:11 caroline oh, I guess I'll have to connect to Twitter for the awards discussion 23:12 cait hm? 23:14 caroline I don't know Kathryn said for online ppl the discussion during the awards will be on Twitter 23:15 davidnind It will be streamed as well - she would love members of the community to be around https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon20/Programme#Day_3 23:23 cait so... nap or QA? 23:27 caroline do you think you'll be able to wake upafter a nap? 23:30 cait yeah... that#s the big question 23:30 cait i think i might instead stare at code :) 23:31 cait if someone else feels like not sleeping - we shoudl start marking some Academy bugs too :) 23:32 * oleonard is not sleeping... but it's still too early for that to be unusual 23:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #108: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/108/ 23:50 davidnind I'll drink some coffee for you! 23:50 davidnind and try not to put you to sleep with my Wikidata talk... 23:55 marie-luce I'm looking forward to your presentation David 23:55 cait maybe i shoudl have taken the nap looking at my chaos on bugzilla 23:57 davidnind marie-luce: I'm wondering what I'm going to say show too... (no pressure :-D) 23:58 marie-luce I'm sure you are good to improvise!