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20:30 cait           good night ashimema[m]
20:28 ashimema[m]    Time for bed for me. Night night
20:25 cait           some rebasing checking might also be good
20:24 ashimema[m]    So do we need a tagfest for bugzilla before next week then
20:20 cait           :)
20:20 caroline       yes <3
20:19 cait           i love how Koha brings us all together discussing such things
20:19 cait           :)
20:17 ashimema[m]    Lol
20:17 caroline       I just love so much how our language shapes our way of thinking/our culture
20:17 cait           ashimema[m]: on yours too actually - I just wanted to explain that my language is crazy :)
20:17 caroline       Maybe I can agree that languages are evil for the present case only
20:16 ashimema[m]    Lol
20:16 caroline       lol!
20:16 cait           ok, i take it back, i want to stay on caroline's good side
20:15 * caroline     majored in linguistics
20:15 ashimema[m]    Mmm
20:15 cait           i am not sure
20:15 ashimema[m]    That would be very evil
20:15 caroline       no!! languages are fun!
20:15 cait           languages are evil?
20:15 ashimema[m]    I totally see where your coming from now
20:15 caroline       ashimema[m]: come on in, one more brain :)
20:14 ashimema[m]    OK, it was just an idea..
20:14 caroline       Like "Add to %s" (list) "Add to %s" (cart)
20:14 cait           it's good to discuss, more brains, more ideas :)
20:14 cait           hm yes
20:14 caroline       maybe, or the contextualization
20:13 caroline       can get heavy
20:13 cait           i wonder if the translation system could help somehow - like we have the plural/singular now...
20:13 caroline       that's why I said it would be a lot of work... for each place in the templates where the term appears, you can to multiply the number of if/thens by the number of predefined options...
20:13 cait           i just added another note to clarify
20:13 cait           because i was thinking about the easier case of account types he mentioned
20:13 cait           i might have misunderstood him
20:12 caroline       I thought the "variable" was the syspref, si "if syspref = cart, then 'Add to cart', if syspref = book bag, then 'Add to book bag'" etc.
20:11 caroline       ok that's what you mean by variable
20:11 cait           so possible, but not with just a variable
20:11 caroline       that's what I thought ashimema[m] was proposing
20:10 cait           add to cart... add to book bag
20:10 cait           so if we want variations, we'd have to make every sentence for ever word we add... possible as they are not that many
20:10 cait           it would look something like Add to %s
20:09 cait           caroline: nope
20:07 caroline       I mean, it would be a lot of trouble for something so trivial, but it could be possible
20:06 caroline       But if, like ashimema[m] said we have a set of predefined terms, we can translate the sentences according to those workds?
20:05 caroline       Only "Add to cart" would cause a problem
20:04 caroline       "empty" is an adjective that doesn't change gender, so yay! and polite "your" doesn't either
20:04 caroline       But funnily, I just looked through the cart sentences and I think French would be ok
20:03 cait           davidnind++
20:02 caroline       LA liste, LE panier... Le liste sounds like a foreigner
20:01 caroline       so if ppl were to enter "list" (female) instead of "cart" (male) then the sentences would be really weird
20:00 cait           you expressed it much better than me
20:00 caroline       but you were right to say that articles and other words (adjectives) change according to the gender of the noun
19:59 cait           it's about the only thing i know about french grammar probably :)
19:59 cait           lol was about to say tha ttoo
19:59 caroline       I only remember that in German moon is male and sun is female because it's the exact opposite of french
19:58 cait           both male in German heh
19:58 caroline       and here's a song for you to remember all the expections
19:58 caroline       cait haha exactly!
19:57 caroline       I mean genders for things... who decides that a desk is male and a table female? .lol
19:57 cait           well there is this rule... and here is the tons of exceptions for it
19:56 caroline       yeah, well all languages are inconsistent!
19:56 cait           I envy that it's so easy to use they/them too - there is not really a good way to express that in German
19:56 hayley         caroline maybe we have it good in that respect, but english in general is kind of stupidly inconsistent hehe
19:56 cait           works = words
19:56 cait           long works that can't be broken on multiple lines (Anschaffungsvorschläge regularly is too long for the tabs in OPAC = purchase suggeston just goes on 2 lines)
19:56 caroline       I envy the gender-neutral of english
19:55 caroline       lol! French too
19:55 cait           German is just asking for trouble really
19:55 caroline       let me reread the sentences, but I think they's be ok
19:55 cait           in the carts = in den Körben, the carts = die Körbe
19:55 cait           the word would change in german depending on the "case"... but I am really bad at expalining grammar :(
19:54 cait           like your in german changes if the word is male/female/neutral
19:54 cait           yeah i meant the words referring to it
19:54 cait           but articles?
19:54 caroline       cart will always be male in all sentences
19:54 cait           gendering...
19:54 caroline       but words don't change gender
19:54 cait           French does the genering, right?
19:54 aleisha        davidnind: that wiki page is amaze!
19:53 caroline       I saw
19:53 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag 'Cart' confuses patrons - add optional name alternatives?
19:53 cait           caroline: I don't know french but said things about french on bug 26130 - can you check? :)
19:53 davidnind      hayley++
19:53 hayley         our plan is to just host a bug squashing :)
19:52 hayley         it's pretty unstructured, tagging more bugs for academy would be useful, go for it with the wiki page davidnind!
19:52 cait           oh those time conversion links are really helpful!
19:52 cait           it's all good - sorry :) Just keep us virtuals in mind
19:51 davidnind      I've added a Kohacon20 programme page to the wiki with links to timeanddate - is this useful? If so will add other days when I get home from work.. https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon20/Programme
19:50 davidnind      Would you like me to create a wiki page? Possibly the Kohacon20 team are already working on something...
19:48 caroline       I guess we could try to have specific tasks or things that ppl can do
19:48 caroline       the DIY was just an idea I threw that we could work together if needed
19:46 cait           davidnind: the DIY is not pretty clear at the moment apart from IRC - i will try to be there, but it owuld be good to flesh it out a bit more :)
19:45 davidnind      I like the idea as well
19:44 cait           and having an automated process to move pushed bugs there... easy to close the ones that don't need doc changes maybe than to add htem all manually?
19:44 cait           just read back - i like the idea of gitlab issues
19:37 caroline       but read the minutes if you have time and let me know if you have comments on my explanation of the workflow
19:37 caroline       :( it was really interesting
19:33 cait           oh i missed the meeting :(
19:21 caroline       ashimema[m]: your autocorrect seems to have a one track mind lol!
19:17 davidnind      Kohacon20 social page (+links to the chat):  https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon20/Social
19:09 kathryn        LOL
19:08 ashimema[m]    Blooming phone.. autocomplete is on form today
19:08 davidnind      caroline++
19:08 ashimema[m]    I'm on my phone, can run it in the morning if no-one breasts me to it
19:08 caroline       hi kathryn !
19:08 kathryn        kia ora koutou / hi everyone :)
19:08 caroline       ashimema[m]: can you run the script?
19:08 marie-luce     thanks caroline
19:08 henryb         Thanks! Bye everyone!
19:07 caroline       thanks everyone!
19:07 huginn         Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020.2020-10-15-18.13.log.html
19:07 huginn         Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020.2020-10-15-18.13.txt
19:07 huginn         Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020.2020-10-15-18.13.html
19:07 huginn         Meeting ended Thu Oct 15 19:07:44 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:07 caroline       #endmeeting
19:07 caroline       #info Next meeting: 12 November 2020, 18 UTC
19:06 caroline       I'm bad with numbers...
19:06 caroline       we might be in regular time here so it will be earlier or later... never sure how it goes
19:06 davidnind      +1
19:06 henryb         +1
19:06 marie-luce     +1
19:05 caroline       same time good for everyone?
19:05 henryb         +1
19:05 marie-luce     +1
19:05 davidnind      +1
19:05 caroline       it's 4 weeks from now
19:05 caroline       is november 12 good?
19:04 caroline       #topic Set time of next meeting
19:04 henryb         nothing from me
19:04 davidnind      nothing from me
19:04 caroline       anything else to add?
19:03 marie-luce     cool
19:03 davidnind      cool
19:03 davidnind      I'll try my best to at least record, I will add a jitsi meeting but quality will depend a bit on the wifi...
19:02 caroline       From what I understood it will be here on IRC for remote ppl
19:02 marie-luce     +1
19:02 caroline       #link https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/programme/
19:02 ashimema[m]    +1
19:02 caroline       there will also be two days of "DIY" where we can work together on docs
19:01 marie-luce     it would be nice if someone could record it, I would be happy to watch later
19:01 davidnind      #info Kohacon20 documentation workshop - feel free to add your ideas to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_Workshop_KohaCon20
19:00 davidnind      it is, but I'm maybe going look at recording at least, and an online bit if there is any interest (either live streaming or using jitsi)
19:00 caroline       davidnind: I think the docs workshops at kohacon are in-person only, is that right? do you know?
18:59 caroline       Check Taiga for new feature to document
18:59 caroline       otherwise, priorities are on documenting new features for 20.11 as usual
18:58 davidnind      (approval is required to stop spam registrations)
18:58 davidnind      I can approve, so will keep an eye out
18:58 caroline       same goes for anyone else
18:58 caroline       +1
18:57 marie-luce     great, I will place my request
18:57 caroline       Click log in and click on "request"
18:57 caroline       oh, you can request a login
18:57 marie-luce     I would like to add my name in Doc team, but I don't have the rights to modify the page
18:56 caroline       Also if anyone wants to have a go at docs manager, I'm happy to let someone else have a go!
18:55 caroline       please add your name to the docs team!
18:55 caroline       #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_21.05
18:55 caroline       #info the page for roles for 21.05 is up
18:55 caroline       #topic  Next steps
18:55 davidnind      nothing to add
18:55 caroline       Feel free to interrupt me if you have something to add...
18:54 caroline       We'll surely be adding to it with the workflow thing
18:54 caroline       I don't think there's anything new for this...
18:53 caroline       #topic  Content development guidelines
18:53 caroline       cool!
18:53 davidnind      our channel is being used as part of the live streaming, so that will be good
18:52 caroline       I'm sure we'll have new content from kohacon next week
18:52 davidnind      finally working on getting last year's Kohacon videos added - is easy to split, but have an audio issue I'm trying to fix (not a docs related task though...)
18:52 caroline       So please if you have any feedback, let davidnind know with an @later or other means of communcation
18:51 henryb         davidnind++
18:51 caroline       davidnind++
18:51 marie-luce     davidnind++
18:50 caroline       very cool!
18:50 caroline       #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqOmLE1-kt84liiG5233BRQ
18:50 caroline       davidnind: tidied up the YouTube channel: added some sections and play lists, tracking down Kohacon videos, feedback welcome
18:49 caroline       davidnind had a point here
18:49 caroline       #topic  What's been done so far
18:49 caroline       ok let's move on
18:48 marie-luce     great discussion, I can see the picture now!
18:48 davidnind      (and less confusing for everyone...)
18:48 caroline       anything else to add to this?
18:47 davidnind      #action davdnind to document options for docs tasks management including: using bugzilla, using GitLab issues, using Taiga, various other ideas discussed <- aim is to make as easy and as manageable as possible
18:47 caroline       woo, we'll be busy bees
18:47 caroline       #action caroline will check with ashimema on how to best insert the docs writing into the dev workflow
18:46 davidnind      will write something up on the wiki, or in bugzilla and will send around the documentation and dev mailing lists
18:46 caroline       and when this is done, I'll check in with ashimema[m] on how to insert ourselves into the dev workflow
18:45 caroline       #action davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow
18:45 davidnind      there is some intergration available with bugzilla, I looked at it a while ago and "seemed" relatively easy
18:45 caroline       cool!
18:45 davidnind      caroline: sure can!
18:45 davidnind      GitLab: use issues , import any bugzilla bugs (easier process than adding to taiga),  use boards
18:44 caroline       how to link with bugzilla etc
18:44 caroline       davidnind: can you look into how it would work if we were to use gitlab issues?
18:43 davidnind      bugzilla: no new tool to learn, either tag tasks or make a bugzilla doc tasks for topics for a release, link to bugs, non bug-related tasks have own bugzilla task
18:43 ashimema[m]    :)
18:43 caroline       #action caroline will write out the current worflow (from minutes)
18:43 caroline       I will write out neatly what I described here so that we have a trace of the current workflow
18:42 caroline       ok so we need to actionize this
18:42 davidnind      Options: use bugzilla, use GitLab, continue as currently
18:41 ashimema[m]    Indeed
18:41 caroline       helps a lot when we try to figure out what something does
18:41 caroline       at least a good test plan
18:41 ashimema[m]    Fair point
18:40 ashimema[m]    I also would love to see docs done by more people.. us Devs are terrible.. we should really give at least a skeleton of documentation for anything we add really.. if we can't then we should get someone in company to help us to
18:40 caroline       personally, when I write I like to pick a section and add all the new things in that section, rather than work bug by bug
18:39 ashimema[m]    s/girls/gitlab
18:39 ashimema[m]    That would mean you have a record in girls of what to be done..
18:39 ashimema[m]    Well.. it would only require one is open.. not necessarily that it's fully finished..
18:39 caroline       maybe it's the way it's organized too...
18:38 ashimema[m]    Tiaga is more modern and can handle lots of workflows.. I just wonder how much of it we actually make use of and need... I've tried to get into it on a few occasions and never fully got to grips
18:38 davidnind      LOL
18:38 caroline       ashimema[m]: oof... nothing will get past QA lol! Do you know how far behind we are?
18:37 caroline       it's prettier?
18:37 ashimema[m]    We could even broaden it and make it a requirement for enhancements and new features to have a corresponding manual merge request linked in the bug before QA
18:37 wahanui        thinking is probably so much easier
18:37 davidnind      thinking...
18:37 henryb         Does taiga have any advantages over bugzilla - additional features etc?
18:36 caroline       I agree that copying everything in taiga is an extra step that could be avoided
18:36 caroline       So do we want to simplify it and stay in bugzilla and ditch taiga?
18:35 marie-luce     caroline++
18:35 caroline       lol!
18:35 henryb         No! just when I thought I understood
18:34 davidnind      caroline++
18:34 caroline       but it's not part of the docs workflow
18:34 caroline       There is also the wiki... which is a whole nother thing...
18:34 henryb         caroline++
18:34 henryb         Yes it does! Thanks for the very patient explanation
18:34 caroline       sense
18:34 caroline       does that make sene?
18:34 caroline       So look in bugzilla (Documentation To-Do) or taiga to find something to write about and write it in gitlab
18:33 caroline       that's where you need to do the changes to the manual per se
18:33 caroline       Then the final leg of the tripod, Gitlab is where the manual lives
18:32 * ashimema[m]  goes quite to let Caroline finish
18:32 caroline       So that's taiga... when the bugs are done with their life with the devs in bugzilla, I copy everything in taiga so the docs team can look through
18:32 ashimema[m]    I don't want to push changes onto anyone.. but do feel free to reach out if there things that bug you and you think there could be a better way
18:31 davidnind      I don't mind taiga, but it is one more thing...
18:31 caroline       anyway, I just want to finish answering henryb before we diverge
18:31 ashimema[m]    I have the keys to the bugzilla configs.. happy to discus and impliment
18:30 caroline       It would certainly save me then step of copying everything in taiga
18:30 davidnind      we could do in the issues list in GitLab - easy to import from bugzilla
18:30 marie-luce     good points
18:30 caroline       Sure, we'd just need to squeeze in an extra step for us
18:29 ashimema[m]    I'd be happy to help bridge the developer/docs divide
18:29 caroline       That's why I think it's a great discussion to have
18:29 davidnind      have never heard caroline talking nonsense :)
18:29 caroline       there is no step where we have a list of bugs that need to be added to the manual
18:29 ashimema[m]    Indeed..
18:29 caroline       It's sign off, QA, push to master, push to stable, push to old stable, etc and then close
18:28 caroline       The reason I've been keeping it separate, and davidnind can interrupt me if im saying nonsense, is that devs have a workflow already established in bugzilla and we are nowhere in that workflow
18:28 ashimema[m]    Indeed... But those could be just bugs in BZ again.. for away with the keyword and instead add a linked bug in bz
18:27 caroline       Taiga is based on the release notes for each version
18:27 caroline       Not corrections, but new stuff
18:27 caroline       Taiga is where we write all the "new" things we need to add to the manual
18:26 caroline       I'm coming to that, but it could be a great discussion
18:26 ashimema[m]    I always wonder why you didn't just do it all through BZ?
18:26 ashimema[m]    Dare I ask.. do you actually need tiaga?
18:26 caroline       From the main bugzilla page, you can click on Documentation To-Do to see this
18:25 caroline       ^ this is the list of such bugs
18:25 caroline       #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=347662&namedcmd=Documentation%20To-do&remaction=run&sharer_id=13
18:25 caroline       that way, we can at least keep a record of things that need to be corrected and since a lot of people already know bugzilla, it's easy for them to file a new bug
18:24 caroline       We ask anybody who sees somthing like that (typo, missing, etc.) to file a bug in bugzilla in the Documentation component
18:24 ashimema[m]    But you guys do much more and have a bigger workflow to manage.. I've not kept up
18:23 caroline       That's where we point poeple to when they see a typo or notice that something is missing or not explained well
18:23 ashimema[m]    I used to just use a search in bugzilla to find the manual keyword.. work on it and then remove the keyword when done..
18:23 caroline       There are also Documentation "bugs" on bugzilla
18:23 caroline       it is very useful to get an idea of what a feature is, what it does, the steps of how to use it etc
18:22 ashimema[m]    #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS-EUROPE
18:22 caroline       That's where the developers work and create new features
18:22 caroline       This is how I see it : bugzilla is the source of everything
18:22 marie-luce     ++caroline
18:21 henryb         But the link you've sent is really helpful!
18:21 caroline       that's a good question
18:21 henryb         I'm not stuck exactly just not entirely sure how bugzilla, taigo and gitlab all fit together
18:20 caroline       Where are you stuck henryb? Maybe we can discuss it and it'll clear it up for more people too
18:20 marie-luce     great! Thanks Caroline
18:19 caroline       #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#.3D.3E_New_writers.2C_start_here.21_.3C.3D
18:19 caroline       I started a section in the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#.3D.3E_New_writers.2C_start_here.21_.3C.3D
18:18 marie-luce     Henri, you are not alone. There are so many places to look at
18:18 marie-luce     hi David
18:18 henryb         Me neither. To be honest I'm still trying to work out the documentation workflow
18:18 davidnind      hi marie-luce
18:17 marie-luce     #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inLibro
18:17 caroline       no worries we just started
18:17 davidnind      No updates from me either on my projects :-(
18:17 marie-luce     sorry to be late
18:17 caroline       anyone has updates they'd like to share?
18:17 caroline       Unfortunately, I'm not giving the best example, I haven't workd on anything manual-wise in the past month
18:16 caroline       #topic  Project updates
18:16 caroline       There were no action points from last meeting so I'll just skip that
18:16 caroline       #topic Updates
18:15 caroline       cait around?
18:15 henryb         #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
18:14 davidnind      #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
18:14 caroline       #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
18:13 caroline       please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
18:13 caroline       #topic Introductions
18:13 huginn         Current chairs: caroline davidnind
18:13 caroline       #chair davidnind
18:13 caroline       #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_15_October_2020
18:13 huginn         The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_15_october_2020'
18:13 huginn         Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
18:13 huginn         Meeting started Thu Oct 15 18:13:14 2020 UTC.  The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:13 caroline       #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 15 October 2020
18:12 caroline       me either just came back from lunch and was catching up on messages/emails
18:12 henryb         We call the cart 'folder' but that also confuses people
18:12 davidnind      sorry, I was working on something and didn't notice the time
18:12 caroline       ok i'll start the meeting then
18:11 henryb         I am late but here now
18:11 davidnind      I am here..
18:11 oleonard       I don't know if your docs crew is around, I was just curious because my calendar alerted me
18:11 caroline       is anyone here for the meeting?
18:10 caroline       I always think it's later than it really is
18:10 caroline       crap yes
18:10 oleonard       caroline is there supposed to be a documentation meeting now?
18:09 caroline       That's one reason I remember, others just asked me during training to remove it because it would confuse patrons, but without having tried it, so it's an assumption on their part
18:08 caroline       cait: re:cart: one of the reasons I was told is that because we integrate ebooks in the catalog, patrons think they can borrow from there
17:59 wahanui        oleonard: bugger all, i dunno
17:59 oleonard       wahanui: What is it you're always saying about me?
17:46 cait           go ahead :) i am looking at the cancel charges feature, but just starting to get into it, go cook :)
17:46 cait           ah ok
17:46 ashimema[m]    Just about to cook tea Cait
17:46 ashimema[m]    Thinking they can buy things from it
17:46 ashimema[m]    But it does confuse people
17:45 ashimema[m]    No idea
17:45 cait           ashimema[m]: are you still around?
17:43 cait           what do people expect when seeing it?
17:43 cait           you can use it to place holds...
17:42 ashimema[m]    The cart is confusing in the UK .. we nearly always rename it
17:40 cait           ah caroline - i put a manual keyword on 24603 because ashimema[m] wrote a nice explanation about the different credit types there
17:26 * cait         can't count how often we broke that already
17:25 cait           hm the payment table is off by one in the total line again
17:19 cait           hm, maybe it was me, the update statements look right
17:17 cait           Joubu: i got no update message from 50 to 51
17:15 * cait         was expecting to find the QA queue empty on returning...
16:56 * cait         imagines cute cart icons :)
16:56 cait           would "book cart" work better?
16:55 cait           hm in German we don't get asked to rename it often, but i think because German uses a slightly different term for the cart in e-commerce settings
16:47 oleonard       I suspect the confusion about the cart is different whether your library offers self checkout or not.
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16:42 caroline       I don't know when the feature was added nor what was it's initial purpose, but I think with the internet evolving and people doing a lot more online (doing things online in general, and also shopping online) "cart" has come to mean something specific
16:39 oleonard       Imagine how controversial it was when you couldn't do any batch operations from the cart...
16:39 caroline       oof, the cart seems controversial lol!
16:37 caroline       I'll try to have him propose it to the community
16:36 caroline       he's also working on a "grid view" of the search results, it's going to be really pretty
16:35 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag 'Cart' confuses patrons - add optional name alternatives?
16:35 oleonard       Bug 26130
16:33 caroline       Here's one that he did http://rinalasnier-test.hapax.inlibro.net/
16:33 caroline       I think some of our clients have a different icon
16:33 caroline       no, but My boss does
16:32 oleonard       caroline do you know how to use css to change the icon?
16:31 caroline       we don't have separate word for cart and basket
16:30 caroline       it's called basket in French :)
16:30 oleonard       caroline: When the feature was originally added to Koha it was called the "basket" and everyone was confused by that as well.
16:30 caroline       I think it's a good idea, looks more like the baskets we use in libraries
16:29 caroline       oleonard: my boss gave the idea to change the cart icon to something like https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSErda3KpsV3Xv32GP-YDOYoqxi77RcBBTcmA&usqp=CAU
16:28 caroline       Does anyone else have complaints from libraries about the "cart"? I've had a couple of libraries ask me how to remove it because patrons were confused (they thought it was either to borrow ebooks, put it in the cart, borrow everything at the end; or to place holds)
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15:59 wahanui        Congratulations!
15:59 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
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15:45 wahanui        Congratulations!
15:45 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
15:22 tuxayo         o/
15:19 liliputech_asu dropping off for tonight... :)
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15:18 liliputech_asu tuxayo: sure, feel free to, not stepping on toes, definitly very VERY welcomed :)
15:17 tuxayo         Anyway good to know I won't step on your tows. I'll tell you in the bug if I have something.
15:16 tuxayo         I would gladly let it rot but I can't forget that :P
15:16 liliputech_asu ^^
15:16 tuxayo         *grave
15:16 liliputech_asu no plan
15:16 liliputech_asu yeark
15:15 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21507 major, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, ASSIGNED , Decimal separators issues in patrons payments/fines, simplified
15:15 tuxayo         liliputech_asu: do you have immediate plans and resources for the infamous bug 21507 ? Or can I try to dig it out of the
15:15 liliputech_asu you sent me a ping a bit earlier? what was that4? same issue? (or just noticing i'm around, which i admit have been quite rare lately ><)
15:14 liliputech_asu ur welcome :)
15:13 tuxayo         liliputech_asu: thanks, it was indeed reset_all that was missing.
15:13 liliputech_asu tuxayo: called me? :)
15:12 liliputech_asu tuxayo: reset_all
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15:05 reiveune       bye
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14:59 henryb         tuxayo++ for asking this question. I also did not know how to do this!
14:58 caroline       tcohen++
14:57 tuxayo         Thanks both for your help, now I'll finally get to try the installer! :D
14:56 tuxayo         ahhh
14:56 tcohen         restart_all
14:56 tuxayo         Great, that's actually what I tried. Both the staff interface and OPAC homepages are in error now.
14:54 caroline       I usually delete my db
14:54 tcohen         echo "DROP DATABASE koha_kohadev; CREATE DATABASE koha_kohadev;" | koha-mysql kohadev
14:53 tuxayo         (after 3 years it's about time to know that)
14:53 tuxayo         Does anyone know how use trigger the koha installer? I'm only using Koha in koha-testing-docker which by uses an already installed DB.
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14:49 wahanui        Congratulations!
14:49 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
14:48 ashimema[m]    your solution was exactly what I did
14:46 cait           I am going outside for a bit :) will be back to continue later
14:45 cait           do you want to check?
14:45 ashimema[m]    I've already done it once on my branch
14:45 ashimema[m]    I thought I uploaded that rebase..
14:45 cait           tuxayo: it would make sense, i didn#t dig that deep, only read the highlights
14:45 ashimema[m]    correct
14:44 ashimema[m]    yup
14:44 cait           do you agree with the merge suggestion?
14:44 cait           http://paste.koha-community.org/25759
14:44 cait           ashimema[m]: don't kill me, but there is a little conflict on the session bug
14:43 tuxayo         So it's really that? A hold without an usable item? Sounds accurate.
14:42 ashimema[m]    mm
14:42 tuxayo         indeed
14:42 cait           tuxayo: i just liked the term of hopeless holds
14:41 tuxayo         liliputech_asu around?
14:39 tuxayo         tcohen: yep ^^
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14:36 wahanui        Congratulations!
14:36 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
14:36 tcohen         tuxayo you mean the jenkins upgrade?
14:21 tuxayo         this? «holds on bibliographic records that no longer have any viable copies»
14:19 * cait         reads the evergreen release notes and stumbles on 'hopeless holds' features
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14:12 wahanui        Congratulations!
14:12 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
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14:00 cait           khall++ kidclamp++
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13:50 tuxayo         The UI of the CI changed :o
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13:49 wahanui        Congratulations!
13:49 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
13:30 Joubu          (will need to be backported)
13:29 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23355 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Add a 'cashup' process to accounts
13:29 Joubu          on bug 23355 instead
13:29 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Passed QA , Add a cashup summary view (with option to print)
13:29 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Constraints for cash management tables need reconsidering
13:29 Joubu          ashimema[m]: I don't think bug 26690 must depend on bug 26172
13:28 Joubu          thx!
13:27 oleonard       Yes
13:27 Joubu          I just wanted to know if you will deal with it :)
13:27 Joubu          yes
13:27 oleonard       I haven't looked yet because I think it belongs on another bug
13:26 Joubu          oleonard: 26439 - seen the problem at the OPAC as well?
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d4d50ab290878a5aafef90470f5a5d977d689d7>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Add Koha::Acquisition::Order->cancel <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9de5bd0eef958291a9a51cca2de9aa49a248b77>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Add Koha::Object::Message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa69ef69722af8c9a2b9afd780b8f1ff68c32a9b>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Add ->messages and ->add_message to Koha::Object <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d576f887c1a0451d45eb0cda055f974916f011c7>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26555: Make sure _messages is always initialized <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1557bf0100f4bf67cf0d98a181a04a2e49b906cd>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26515: (follow-up) Do not count self when checking orders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be95bc913740d97562f954a8744fc670483db7ec>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26577: Make basket.pl and cancelorder.pl use ->cancel <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=870ef9e2d9046914e198d7c03fa64b4b89de3b41>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26579: Remove unused C4::Acquisition::DelOrder function <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=23fd3de316bbd94c691dd3941d31aff84177c389>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26580: Remove unused C4::Acquisition::DelBasket function <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e70a863dd22e3a48c115b43852adda608efd3f7>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Remove branchcode from mock_userenv <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7941b4b039b3a31a56f9a4bf9d709c546534434e>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Better feedback on errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f940b5fe90518112db612d7e19aa1419a6ef84e>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26555: (QA follow-up) Add a 'payload' attribute for carrying useful things <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f815e748feba1c44ccf8733b6a01642c56f4eec>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26515: (QA follow-up) Preserve original behaviour <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=14820607c43b6e760ba2edadfb14436f2685a1fe>
13:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26515: Don't need to call safe_to_delete <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d20cafc4f8472fb07ba9ffa8f2a9432bf5847f4>
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13:16 tuxayo         o/ lukeG
13:16 wahanui        hey, lukeG
13:16 lukeG          hi
13:13 tcohen         I love tests :-D
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13:11 tcohen         let me check
13:11 tcohen         you're breaking it haha
13:11 Joubu          guess it's my change
13:10 tcohen         WTF?
13:10 Joubu          hey tcohen, it's failing! :D
13:10 tcohen         :-D ❤
13:09 Joubu          hey tcohen, it's tested <3
13:09 tcohen         ok
13:09 tcohen         Koha/Acquisition/Order.t
13:09 Joubu          I was in t/db_dependent/Acquisition.t
13:08 tcohen         its 12 tests I think
13:08 tcohen         covers this
13:08 tcohen         the last test I add
13:08 tcohen         it is tested
13:08 tcohen         I think I used delete_items.pl as a sample
13:08 Joubu          tcohen: this is not tested!
13:07 tcohen         yes, I agree hehe
13:07 tcohen         ah
13:07 Joubu          tcohen: we can still provide the return value
13:06 Joubu          http://paste.koha-community.org/25758
13:06 Joubu          igual
13:04 tcohen         so we can provide better feedback
13:04 tcohen         Joubu well, that was my original implementation, but I decided to add the return value from safe_to_delete on the message payload
13:04 simon_         ok thx
13:03 Joubu          tcohen: http://paste.koha-community.org/25757 agree with that?
13:01 Joubu          nope, this file is not used by ES (and is actually removed in new versions)
13:00 simon_         do i have to adjust /etc/koha/searchengine/queryparser.yaml ?
13:00 simon_         ok, now it is indexing once again after i configured it via the webinterface
13:00 * ashimema[m]  has a vague recollection of talking about that.. but can't remember the details
12:59 ashimema[m]    can you not do it via the yaml files and then use the script to load them?
12:55 simon_         ok, will do :)
12:55 Joubu          simon_: I'd try to add the entry manually in the DB table
12:55 Joubu          alex_a: I was searching for 20388 :)
12:54 Joubu          simon_: so, no, you cannot
12:54 wahanui        hmmm... Joubu is kidding, right ;)
12:54 alex_a         Joubu ?
12:54 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20388 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, BLOCKED , Elasticsearch - Ability to add search fields from UI
12:54 Joubu          bug 20388
12:54 Joubu          found it
12:53 Joubu          alex_a: maybe?
12:52 cait           bbiab
12:52 cait           it doesn't look like we can now (just checked too)
12:52 Joubu          or is there a patch somewhere for that?
12:52 Joubu          kidclamp: were not we able to created new ES search fields?
12:52 Joubu          thanks for the feedback
12:52 Joubu          eythian: yes, we basically keep -common to not break people's workflow/habits :)
12:51 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U16 build #87: UNSTABLE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/87/
12:50 eythian        Joubu: without thinking about it too deeply, I kinda like option 5, you could move the code into -core and allow -common to be all the standard package config stuff with deps. This makes transition fairly easy. The naming of -common then isn't quite right, but you could change that over time if desired.
12:50 simon_         i can only select searchfield names from a predefined list/dropdown
12:49 simon_         then i have to do it in the database?
12:49 simon_         but i cannot add a new searchfield name there, right?
12:49 simon_         ah
12:48 Joubu          (the DB is used, the yaml is only the default values used when you reset them from the UI)
12:47 Joubu          /cgi-bin/koha/admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.pl
12:47 Joubu          admin > search engine mapping something
12:47 Joubu          use the UI view instead
12:47 simon_         i ran the indexer again: rebuild_elasticsearch.pl
12:47 simon_         i added a new mapping to  /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.yaml
12:46 simon_         so far i did the following:
12:46 simon_         now i  am not quite sure how to replicate with elasticsearch
12:46 simon_         in zebra
12:46 simon_         i used https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_new_zebra_index to add a new index
12:46 simon_         i got a follow up question after switching to elastic search
12:46 * cait         waves
12:45 simon_         hi everyone
12:42 oleonard       It sounds correct based on your description.
12:42 Joubu          oleonard: happy to get feedback on this patch, no idea if it correctly fixes the problem
12:39 fridolin       VIM++
12:38 fridolin       Joubu++
12:37 magnuse        huh, i run koha-gitify on a site, restart apache and everything is 403?
12:36 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26445 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Search results browser in staff has broken link back to results
12:36 oleonard       Joubu++ # Thanks for working on Bug 26445
12:36 * cait         is with oleonard
12:36 * magnuse      goes searching for that cool editor called sit
12:35 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D11 build #112: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/112/
12:35 * oleonard     loves to sit
12:35 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U18 build #918: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/918/
12:34 * tcohen       loves it
12:34 tcohen         and also
12:33 * tcohen       love sit
12:33 tcohen         long life to Vim
12:33 tcohen         \o
12:33 tuxayo         o/
12:33 cait           hi tuxayo :)
12:32 tuxayo         hi #koha BTW
12:32 tuxayo         Rise up vim gang!
12:31 rhamby         I use vim too :)
12:29 Joubu          fridolin: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools/-/issues/40 here you go
12:28 ashimema[m]    hey.. I do :P
12:26 tcohen         nobody uses vim anyway :-P
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12:09 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Remove swp file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35a3b9e6b9288558a708f97ae190f96e8bbac8d1>
12:08 Joubu          yes, I am on it already ;)
12:07 fridolin       ?
12:06 fridolin       maybe create a QA test searching for .swp files
11:59 Joubu          fridolin: erk
11:58 fridolin       dirty ^^
11:58 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25898: Fix new occurrences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8b80abbd0890de3da2a570422b240f24cbb9c30>
11:58 fridolin       git show --oneline ac1a8adba2 --name-only
11:57 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25460 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Pushed to master , Allow using item information in OAI set mappings and automatically update sets when items are added, edited or deleted
11:57 fridolin       see Bug 25460: Update OAI sets when adding/editing/deleting item records commit
11:57 fridolin       Joubu: howww master contains a temp file "installer/data/mysql/.updatedatabase.pl.swp"
11:54 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #97: UNSTABLE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/97/
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11:30 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11299 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Add a button to automatically link authority records in cataloguing (AJAX)
11:30 magnuse        bug 11299
11:27 cait           please?
11:27 cait           could you have another look at 11299
11:27 cait           you got summoned? :)
11:27 kidclamp       hi cait
11:25 cait           hi kidclamp
11:25 cait           i might just give this a test run
11:25 cait           ... but we already do.
11:24 * kidclamp     waves
11:22 cait           hm or maybe it does... but then we need to allow the aqbudgetperiod_id to be set to NULL and I dont think we should
11:21 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15329 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Show budget in addition to fund for late orders in acquisition
11:21 cait           and it blocks bug 15329 that i'd really love to have in
11:20 cait           I think Augustin's approach won't work (have commented) as there is possible more data linked to an orphaned fund...
11:20 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Missing constraint on aqbudgets.budget_period_id in aqbudgets
11:20 cait           Joubu: any idea about how to move on with bug 18050?
11:12 cait           see pm :)
11:11 khall          lol ;)
11:10 cait           oh, now i am not prepared heh
11:10 khall          sure!
11:10 cait           can i wrangle some QA out of you? :)
11:10 khall          mornin cait !
11:09 wahanui        somebody said hi khall was my consciousness present in this realm?
11:09 cait           hi khall
11:01 cait           tcohen++ reset_all is working again too
11:01 cait           :)
11:01 oleonard       FWIW I think it looks good
11:00 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26534 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to master , Add Font Awesome icon to help identify staff patrons
11:00 oleonard       I guess I'm back a little late to comment on Bug 26534 :D
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Update OAI sets when adding/editing/deleting item records <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac1a8adba2bc91b7475b958c75daea98187c422b>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25898: Prohibit indirect object notation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=96cc447045f3f1d3702a3c69b36f596d88f38eda>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25460: Add unit test for change to C4::OAI::Sets->UpdateOAISetsBiblio() <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7230327130205825cea2cb64c322c3754b1948a>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 18170: Show damaged status in table of checkins <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c1218af6445c384483f543c3291e0dc508665b6>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Add Font Awesome icon only for staff patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=26c717fcd4b2031a8ddb0a06209bd29c18dbd3fe>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26534: (QA follow-up) Fix CSS declaration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5307bb6cbd9320f31d538dee27a12604c8344b3>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26534: (follow-up) Only center when using patronimages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eea2699fd297172bd7f2975015a035a9d23cfcfa>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Replace 'grade' by 'is-patron' and 'patron-type' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1f0aa1e59948ba7c7bedf657e8b798d1fd95ed2>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Use IF ELSE directly on h5 opening tag <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e2b6b929923e5e616d2520bb34f0f0838cd82d3>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 18170: Use GetDescriptionByKohaField <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=819a33a7a417706c4a570f7b10c5b65156920df1>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26643: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=46197752aad9909cc8f851b60ad44aec3a1ba71a>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25460: (QA follow-up) Readd ending punctuation to sys pref description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ebbdfe3c11d3fdca3950720e4b50edc2fe6f9ca6>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25460: (QA follow-up) Remove stray quote from system preference description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5bcc51170ad8f5f8311e5223d3634db78ba0303>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26617: Update INSTALL file to include koha-testing-docker and Gitlab links <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1825a1fd8bad6c5aab77596301a0e08cef7d48f>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26621: Adjust .mailmap to reduce the number of invalid authors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=122a2c58ff61c831b9de633ed01a6986fabaa7b0>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26621: Adjust docs/contributors.yaml accordingly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7972be4b97536f1c8540baa2554da111ca6b0efd>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25898: (follow-up) POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37540532b18f84fc33a7831bc3a350d811adc1a9>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26643: Notify librarian of completed transfers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbd86d7a3043c6b39faba8c4cd1eaf91635d22b7>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 26534: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d22c12a925f5f1e1fefa74b49edb1b6a5ce880a>
10:57 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25460: DBRev 20.06.00.052 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd05abf911b89d7adbc44c7b9299dd22be1ef35b>
10:45 cait           knock on wood... the little thingies are dangerous
10:44 cait           reset_all probably after that... this one has some massive db changes
10:44 tcohen         FYI I'll be doing QA today and tomorrow, once I finish this little thingy
10:44 tcohen         glad to hear that cait
10:44 cait           tcohen: running dbic right now and being happy
10:22 cait           morning tcohen
10:22 tcohen         morning
10:07 ashimema[m]    now I look at it, I feel like there's a few issues with constraints on these
10:07 ashimema[m]    okies
10:05 Joubu          nope, on a separate bug report please
10:00 ashimema[m]    OK with me doing that and providing a followup now?
10:00 ashimema[m]    as you say.. it's not directly related to this bug.. but worthwhile fixing here whilst we spot it
09:59 ashimema[m]    thanks
09:59 ashimema[m]    very good catch there mate
09:59 ashimema[m]    I agree
09:59 Joubu          I don't know what's the expected behaviour, ashimema[m]. But it sounds wrong to remove the register's actions alongwith the patron
09:59 liliputech_asu hi koha :)
09:58 ashimema[m]    have a feeling my brain wasn't awake when I added that accessor
09:57 * ashimema[m]  reminds himself how all this works.. it sounds like your right
09:57 ashimema[m]    hmm
09:57 ashimema[m]    the ON DELETE CASCADES
09:56 Joubu          penultimate actually
09:56 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Passed QA , Add a cashup summary view (with option to print)
09:56 Joubu          ashimema[m]: see last comment on bug 26172 please
09:54 cait           ok, thx!
09:48 magnuse        cait: i think that problem has to be solved in the backend (that i wrote), yes. but i have not looked properly at it yet
09:43 huginn         cait: khall was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <khall> matts thanks!
09:43 cait           @seen khall
09:43 huginn         cait: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 31 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <kidclamp> I did wonder which would be more efficient
09:43 cait           @seen kidclamp
09:36 cait           magnuse: around?
09:36 cait           hm bug report on ill backend... invalid?
09:35 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:35 Joubu          @later tell oleonard what about bug 26534 comment 44?
09:22 ashimema[m]    lucky
09:18 Joubu          I will be off tomorrow, so today is like a Friday to me :)
09:17 ashimema[m]    wishful thinking there Joubu
09:17 ashimema[m]    hehe
09:16 Joubu          it's not Friday :D
09:16 Joubu          lol
09:15 * cait         also sends cookies to tcohen
09:14 cait           ashimema[m]: try to come back to a simple solution, odn't dig yourself in too much *sends cookies*
09:14 cait           Joubu: i think it's way too late for him by now
09:14 ashimema[m]    that one bug is a bloody pain
09:14 Joubu          It's Friday, notices will haunt you the full weekend if you are starting digging this area :D
09:14 ashimema[m]    right now the notices are plain confusing for it
09:14 cait           please not all on that one bug :)
09:14 ashimema[m]    indeed
09:14 cait           but not sure libraries want to maintain too many notices - the debit/credit types can get a little confusing
09:13 ashimema[m]    may alos move the Point of Sale on into it.. as they're so closely related really
09:13 Joubu          jonrog: sorry, I have no idea then. Maybe you could report the issue on our bug tracker?
09:13 cait           accounts would make sense to me
09:13 ashimema[m]    I'm thinking 'accounts' as we have a precident now for various accounts things living in such an area
09:13 ashimema[m]    deffo
09:12 cait           to pick values from
09:12 cait           also allows you to define which tables will show
09:12 cait           it might be nice to add a new module for them instad of having them all in circulation
09:12 cait           oh wahanui
09:12 ashimema[m]    so I could easily enough setup a way to adding different notices for each credit/debit type code
09:12 wahanui        okay, cait.
09:12 cait           and i think there is also a patorn mailer plugin using notices somewhow that bywater uses
09:11 ashimema[m]    that's very interesting
09:11 cait           similar to the claim emails, you cna pick the one you want to use from a pull down created using the module when claiming
09:11 ashimema[m]    thanks
09:11 cait           for subscriptions you can set the alert email in each subscription from a pull down, also the module is used to limit the list
09:10 ashimema[m]    cool
09:10 ashimema[m]    interseting
09:10 ashimema[m]    interesting.. where do you set the relation between the thing that triggers the send and the notice code
09:10 cait           well for overdue letters you can have as many as you like, it only has to have the circulation module and you define what to use when in the ontice triggers
09:10 cait           serial claims, acq claims
09:10 ashimema[m]    ooh.. how does that work?
09:09 cait           there are several notices that have no fixed codes but can be configured elsewhere
09:09 jonrog         Joubu: Thats literally all i get from the error message
09:09 cait           patron ontification on serials is not fixed
09:09 cait           for example is not fixed
09:09 cait           odue
09:08 ashimema[m]    I thought the codes were fixed as notices are all internal.. or am I missing a functionality somewhere?
09:08 ashimema[m]    what would it be used for?
09:08 ashimema[m]    silly question.. why can you currently add a new notice with any code you like...
09:07 cait           good morning
09:07 ashimema[m]    morning cait
09:07 * ashimema[m]  tries to understand notices..
08:56 * cait         waves
08:38 Joubu          search for another DBD error
08:38 Joubu          :)
08:38 Joubu          and before?
08:32 jonrog         So i guess the script is handling the data wrong in some way?
08:31 jonrog         Joubu: It says before the error message "Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Field.pm line 696." and after "Broken FK constraint"
08:29 Joubu          so maybe there is another error before this one?
08:29 Joubu          Hi jonrog, technically it means that the an insert into biblio_metadata fails because there is no entry into the biblio table
08:28 jonrog         Some items are getting imported but then that happens and the import-module crashes
08:27 jonrog         Does anyone know what the problem might be and how to fix it?
08:27 jonrog         DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_koha`.`biblio_metadata`, CONSTRAINT `record_metadata_fk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`biblionumber`) REFERENCES `biblio` (`biblionumber`) ON DELETE CASCADE ON UPDATE CASCADE) [for Statement "INSERT INTO `biblio_metadata` ( `format`, `marcflavour`, `metadata`) VALUES ( ?, ?, ? )"
08:27 jonrog         Hello! Recently we've started to get problems while trying to import ILL-requests. The error message says:
07:46 magnuse        \o/
07:21 Joubu          and keep koha-common for compatibility
07:21 Joubu          tld; having a koha-lite, koha-full and koha-core package
07:20 Joubu          eythian: me again :) Could we get your opinion (as former pkg manager) on that move: https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2020-October/046061.html
06:51 wahanui        hi, alex_a
06:51 alex_a         Bonjour
06:48 ashimema[m]    Good morning everyone
06:48 ashimema[m]    It's a sledgehammer approach.. but as it's docker I tend to use it fairly often rather than digging more deeply.. for Dev a sledgehammer isn't too bad
06:45 severine_q     Morning #Koha !
06:41 reiveune       hello
06:37 TimothyAlexis  Thank you
06:37 TimothyAlexis  ashimema++
06:31 TimothyAlexis  :)
06:30 ashimema[m]    That should clean out all images and then pull fresh.. that one also had a bunch of fixes yesterday
06:29 ashimema[m]    Then ku again
06:29 ashimema[m]    docket system prune -af
06:29 ashimema[m]    Oh.. your in koha-testing-docker
06:29 TimothyAlexis  And still get this
06:28 TimothyAlexis  I've completely replaced koha-testing-docker and koha
06:28 ashimema[m]    Also.. have you considered koha-testing-docker... It's more widely used and thus well supported these days.
06:28 ashimema[m]    You may want to pull the latest and restart it
06:28 ashimema[m]    Kohadevbox received some maintenance to fix a few bugs yesterday TimothyAlexis
06:27 TimothyAlexis  koha_koha_1 exited with code 1
06:27 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9949 is not accessible.
06:27 ashimema[m]    Bug 9949 dcook
06:27 TimothyAlexis  ..
06:27 TimothyAlexis  koha_1       | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Email.pm line 29.
06:27 TimothyAlexis  ..
06:26 TimothyAlexis  koha_1       | Base class package "Email::Stuffer" is empty
06:26 TimothyAlexis  Today when I do ku I get this:
06:25 ashimema[m]    I've tried resurrecting it a few times.. wouldn't mind someone else having a go
06:25 ashimema[m]    Source files layout.. there's a bug to improve that great dcook.. I think rangi wrote it.. may be in the security area
05:15 mtj            hmm, looks like only the kindle fire is supported, so a workaround is to use adode digital-editions to manually transfer to the device
05:11 mtj            ..a bit offtopic, anyone used bolinda borrowbox with a kindle paperwhite-4 (asking for a friend)
05:09 mtj            no probs, i can
05:08 dcook          Don't think I made a patch for that in the end..
05:08 dcook          Thanks :)
05:08 mtj            dcook: re: libnet-stomp-perl, i think you are correct
02:21 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D11 build #111: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/111/
02:21 wahanui        Congratulations!
02:21 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
02:19 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #96: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/96/
02:19 wahanui        Congratulations!
02:19 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
02:16 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U16 build #86: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/86/
02:03 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26685 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Move Starman out of debian/control.in and into cpanfile
02:03 dcook          bug 26685
02:01 dcook          Although totally going to go eat lunch in like 5 minutes..
02:01 dcook          no rest for the wicked O_O
02:01 dcook          I'm going to open a new bug to move Starman into cpanfile as well
02:01 dcook          It should be handled by debian/list-deps?
02:01 dcook          Also, libnet-stomp-perl shouldn't be in debian/control.in, right?
02:00 dcook          And "yaz" looks like it's really more of a sysadmin tool than a tool Koha needs
02:00 dcook          I don't think Koha even uses "at"
02:00 dcook          Yeah, at first I thought that wasn't so bad, but now I see more things to pare away
01:59 mtj            as joubu sais, there are a few problems with option 4, as koha-core will inherit all the deps of koha-common
01:59 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26672 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Create metapackage to install Koha and all its dependencies
01:59 dcook          bug 26672
01:58 dcook          We even overuse mysql-client imho..
01:57 dcook          I'm tempted to write replacements for pwgen, unzip, and xmlstarlet...
01:56 dcook          Although the more I look at it, the more I see everything as extra stuff... heh
01:55 dcook          That's basically what I'm doing right now
01:55 dcook          Oooo
01:55 mtj            there was an option 5 too... koha-core becomes a new package, thats basically koha-common without the 'extra' stuff
01:54 dcook          Hungry for lunch though so maybe I'm just delusional
01:54 dcook          I'm hacking up a storm about it right now lol
01:54 dcook          No worries
01:53 mtj            dcook: thanks for the package email to the list yesterday
01:53 mtj            hey #koha
00:25 * oleonard     melts back into the fog
00:24 dcook          Yeah thinking it might just never work..
00:23 dcook          Hmm now to figure out whether my patch broke the z3950 or if it ever worked in this context..
00:21 dcook          I thought it was just because they had cooler outfits
00:21 dcook          Ooooh. I wondered why I always liked the bad guys in movies
00:21 dcook          Now how to test this bloody koha-z3950-responder...
00:21 oleonard       Of course I'm the bad guy. We live in the evil mirror universe.
00:19 dcook          Usually the person tying up the loose ends is a bad guy..
00:19 dcook          Wait..
00:18 * dcook        pictures oleonard as an action movie hero now
00:18 dcook          loose ends, eh..
00:18 cait           what timeis it for you?
00:18 oleonard       Yeah, hopping on the computer to tie up some loose ends from work today
00:17 dcook          Still early!
00:17 cait           unusual time to see you :)
00:17 wahanui        hi oleopard
00:17 cait           hi oleonard
00:15 * dcook        thinks every new bug report on Bugzilla might be from dcook..
00:15 oleonard       Thanks wahanui that comment is perpetually accurate!
00:14 wahanui        oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though
00:14 dcook          hey oleonard
00:14 dcook          heh
00:06 * oleonard     waves
00:04 cait           pick your battles wisely
00:03 * dcook        wishes he had infinite time >_>
00:00 dcook          Or even improve it really..
00:00 dcook          Not worth the effort of trying to fix it now