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21:41 sam_s hey, i'm trying to work on a plugin in koha testing docker, but I cant figure out how to enable plugins in it. I thought starting with "kup" would do this as it's described as "Start the env, plugin development set" but the plugins option doesn't show up under more when starting it in this mode
20:55 tcohen caroline++
20:55 tcohen koha++
20:55 * tcohen got distracted (kids)
20:54 tcohen oh noes
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20:43 caroline @later tell ashimema[m] can you run the post-meeting script for minutes?
20:41 caroline (or the backs of your heads if you're not presenting lol)
20:41 henryb caroline++
20:41 caroline thanks everyone! I can't wait to see your faces at Kohacon!
20:41 marieluce caroline++
20:40 davidnind caroline++
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20:40 caroline #endmeeting
20:40 caroline #info Next meeting: 4 November 2020, 20 UTC
20:40 davidnind +1
20:40 henryb +1
20:40 aleisha +1
20:39 caroline Objections?
20:39 thd +1
20:39 caroline So wednesday nov 4 20UTC?
20:39 hayley sam_s :)
20:39 thd +1
20:38 davidnind +1
20:38 sam_s hayley: thx!
20:38 caroline I propose to still keep it at this time for Kohacon wrap up, even if it's a bit inconvenient for europeans
20:37 caroline First week of november?
20:37 caroline #topic Set time of Next meeting
20:35 caroline #link http://koha-us.org/learn/conferences/onlinetogether2020/
20:35 caroline #info recordings and slides of Koha-US conference are on Koha-US website
20:35 lisettelatah http://koha-us.org/learn/conferences/onlinetogether2020/
20:34 lisettelatah Thanks! all the recordings and slides are up on our website for anyone who missed it.
20:34 caroline lisettelatah++
20:33 davidnind lisettlelatah++ and koha-US team for a successful online conference last month
20:33 caroline I feel like I'm going through topics very fast, don't hesitate to tell me to wait a bit :)
20:32 caroline any other topics y'all wanted to discuss?
20:31 caroline #info no actions from last meeting
20:31 caroline #topic Actions from last meeting
20:31 caroline ok then, moving on
20:31 hayley sam_s usually /etc/koha/sites/<instance>/koha-conf.xml I think
20:30 caroline alright, anything else for releases?
20:29 sam_s where is the koha-conf.xml located in the koha install? The manual refrences it but doesn't say where it's located
20:28 aleisha #info string freeze for october release will be 20th and release will be 27th
20:28 hayley shh wahanui
20:28 wahanui basically is checks the Bugzilla statuses are correct, then updates the status, adds the 'released in versions' text and adds a comment
20:28 aleisha basically
20:28 caroline I guess Jobou and team are on schedule to release 20.11 in november
20:27 aleisha i wasnt in the meeting this morning
20:27 aleisha hello
20:27 wahanui rmaints is lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!!âš¡âš¡
20:27 caroline rmaints?
20:27 caroline anybody from the meeting this morning can summarize?
20:27 caroline #topic Update on releases
20:26 caroline alrighty if there aren't any other questions we'll move on to the next topic
20:26 henryb kathryn++
20:26 kathryn you're welcome, lets see how it goes :) looking forward to it!
20:25 davidnind kathyrn++ (and team!)
20:25 caroline #info follow @nzkoha and @kohails on Twitter during the conference
20:24 caroline thank you organizing team for turning around and organizing this for the new noemal
20:24 davidnind might not be the same volume - not sure whether it is too much live tweeting sonetimes...
20:24 davidnind I was planning to, and can provide access if anyone else wants to - hopefully don't get blocked this time for too many tweets!
20:23 kathryn which we've been using for the conference - but would love to have david on ^ yep :)
20:23 rangi im sure davidnind will be retweeting and adding more on @kohails too :)
20:23 caroline any other questions for the kohacon organizers?
20:23 kathryn Tosca from Catalyst will be on @nzkoha
20:22 caroline davidnind will be manning the twitter?
20:21 caroline #info there is one online workshop on day 5 too
20:21 kathryn #info #kohacon20 is the hashtag!
20:21 rangi plus the one online workshop if ppl are interested in rfid stuff
20:21 henryb Looking forward to it! Although still not sure when I will sleep
20:20 caroline thanks for the clarification kathryn!
20:20 caroline #info for online viewers it's days 1-3 for talks and days 6 and 7 for DIY on IRC
20:20 kathryn yes
20:19 caroline just to summarize for online viewers it's days 1-3 for talks and days 6 and 7 for DIY on IRC, is that right?
20:19 kathryn henryb we also don't have a camera set up in the workshops room, whereas the main auditorium has all the gear fro recording/streaming
20:18 kathryn The DIY days we'll be in IRC, in person here in Wellington NZ, and have video conference available if people want to work together that way
20:18 henryb Ok thanks kathryn. The workshops sound really interesting so it would be great to see notes afterwards if that's possible.
20:17 kathryn no, there was just one online workshop proposed, the rest are in person
20:17 caroline and what about the DIY days?
20:16 caroline Workshops on Oct. 25 are online though?
20:16 kathryn if we can share some notes/summaries/slides we will do that
20:15 kathryn henryb no sorry :( we decided it's a bit hard on the presenters to cater to both in person and remote learners/participants
20:14 caroline good question henryb!
20:14 kathryn #info we'll send out the stream link a day or two before the conference
20:14 henryb Will the in-person workshops be recorded or available online too?
20:13 caroline presenters, make sure to check your times otherwise you will be one day late lol!
20:13 kathryn perhaps we'll put that in the next koha list email
20:13 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
20:13 kathryn yeah caroline, also we just started daylight savings which is why I thought this meeting was an hour ago, as well as yesterday ;)
20:13 aleisha hehe
20:12 caroline we live int he past
20:12 caroline I just realized this this week
20:12 caroline And for those in Europe and America, don't forget that it starts on October 18 for us
20:12 kathryn Anyone else want to add anything or ask?
20:12 hayley kathryn++
20:12 kathryn In short, we're seeing lots of registrations at the moment, keep them coming, it's all happening!
20:11 marieluce kathryn++
20:11 caroline kathryn++
20:11 kathryn #info Thanks to all that contributed to the video! We hope it works out when we put it all together - we will see!
20:11 kathryn sorry one more time for the notes
20:10 kathryn #info All are welcome at Kohacon, whether they use Koha now or not and are interested to listen in and see how they can apply our Koha stories in their own libraries. Please share the news :)
20:10 kathryn Thanks to all that contributed to the video! We hope it works out when we put it all together - we will see!
20:10 kathryn #info All presenters who are pre-recording please send in your recordings this week.
20:10 kathryn way less! let me try and put the rest in the in minutes
20:10 caroline less than 2 weeks!
20:09 kathryn All are welcome at Kohacon, whether they use Koha now or not and are interested to listen in and see how they can apply our Koha stories in their own libraries. Please share the news :)
20:09 kathryn Thanks to all that contributed to the video! We hope it works out when we put it all together - we will see!
20:09 kathryn All presenters who are pre-recording please send in your recordings this week.
20:09 kathryn #info Please can all online and in-person attendees register at https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/registration/ there is room for more in person, and the internet has more space too :) We will email the URL for the stream to everyone registered.
20:09 kathryn Catalyst are very busy with preparation, but it's a moving train now and it's going to arrive on 19 October!
20:09 kathryn Here's something I prepared earlier :)
20:09 wahanui well, the floor is yours
20:09 caroline wahanui what is the floor?
20:09 kathryn Thanks!
20:09 wahanui i already had it that way, caroline.
20:09 caroline the floor is yours
20:09 caroline #topic KohaCon updates
20:07 kathryn :)
20:07 caroline any other announcements? (we'll do a separate topic for Kohacon)
20:06 caroline #info Wiki page for 21.05 roles is open add your names!
20:06 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_21.05
20:05 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
20:05 caroline The wiki pae for 21.05 roles is open!
20:05 rangi lol
20:05 rangi #nfo Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
20:05 caroline #topic Announcements
20:05 caroline cait sends her apologies as she is not able to attend today
20:03 henryb #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
20:03 kathryn #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT, NZ
20:03 lisettelatah #info Lisette Scheer Latah County Library District, Moscow, Idaho, US
20:03 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
20:03 marieluce #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inLibro, Montreal
20:03 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Montreal
20:03 aleisha oops
20:03 aleisha #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, Wellington ZN
20:02 caroline please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
20:02 caroline #topic Introductions
20:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_october_2020'
20:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:02 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 7 20:02:34 2020 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:02 caroline #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 October 2020
20:02 caroline I guess I can do it since I'm around and don't have much to say
20:00 caroline if not any volunteers to chair the meeting?
19:59 caroline Joubu around?
19:54 aleisha missed the dev meeting but here for the community meeting!
19:53 marieluce hi everyone
19:52 tcohen hi aleisha
19:52 caroline hi aleisha!
19:51 aleisha hello
19:22 caroline hi tcohen!
19:15 davidnind hi kathryn tcohen
19:12 tcohen hi caroline davidnind
19:12 kathryn hi davidnind
19:12 davidnind hi caroline!
19:11 kathryn cool :)
19:11 tcohen it is
19:11 kathryn tchoen I have a new one yesterday labelled Aniversario Koha-ffyh not sure if that's one you know
19:10 caroline hi davidnind!
19:10 caroline hi again kathryn! it is in an hour (according to the calendar...)
19:09 tcohen kathryn: did you get a bunch of materials from Argentina?
19:08 tcohen something's wrong with bugzilla
19:07 kathryn hi caroline I'm here again for the meeting, did I also have the time wrong? :)
16:11 kidclamp I did wonder which would be more efficient
16:11 Joubu misplaced {}, but you got the point I'm sure
16:11 Joubu like: my @items = Koha::Items->the_search; my @location = uniq {map $_->location} @items;
16:10 Joubu we could do that in perl
16:09 Joubu kidclamp: I was wondering if we should not actually retrieve all the items instead of replaying the same query
16:08 kidclamp yes, I missed some :-) nice one
16:08 Joubu what do you think?
16:08 Joubu otherwise yes, it's the same idea :)
16:08 Joubu also, the count of items: we don't need the pass a column and "distinct"
16:07 Joubu I think it should be kept
16:07 Joubu kidclamp: we did almost the same things, but you forgot the { '!=', undef } part
16:06 Joubu I am attaching mine
16:06 Joubu kidclamp: I think you missed something
16:06 kidclamp heh, sorry
16:05 * ashimema[m] lets the dust settle a bit
16:05 ashimema[m] glad I'm here to see others do it.. as I was also thinking of jumping in next.. haha
16:05 ashimema[m] you did ask for help in the meeting ;)
16:05 ashimema[m] lol
16:04 Joubu I was going to submit a follow-up :-(
16:04 Joubu erk
16:00 kidclamp Joubu: please see my followup on 24488 and approve or obsolete
15:10 reiveune bye
14:54 tcohen Joubu++
14:51 ashimema[m] but yeah.. not a bad idea to link to it.
14:51 ashimema[m] I think they've rebranded themselves a bit since the original
14:48 Joubu I meant this one
14:48 Joubu https://technology.blog.gov.uk/2020/02/24/why-the-gov-uk-design-system-team-changed-the-input-type-for-numbers/
14:48 Joubu no it was not hmrc :D
14:47 Joubu hmrc
14:47 Joubu ashimema[m]: maybe you should link the gov uk recommendation to ACC2?
14:42 ashimema[m] Thanks Joubu
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14:42 Joubu #endmeeting
14:42 Joubu in 3 weeks, after the KohaCon
14:42 Joubu #info Next meeting: 28 October 2020, 20 UTC
14:41 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting
14:41 Joubu Another last minute discussion?
14:40 jajm ok to continue on the bug report
14:39 jajm it seems dangerous to assume everyone has db backups and that the backups work :)
14:39 Joubu ok?
14:38 Joubu I am open to anything we decide and I am willing to work on it if we find an concensus
14:38 Joubu I am suggesting to continue the discussion on the bug report
14:37 Joubu than redoing the whole script every error it faces
14:36 Joubu it's just a my developper point of view. Seems easier to fix
14:36 jajm errors that can happen only because the first failed
14:36 Joubu then you restore the backup, fix the problems and run the upgrade again
14:35 ashimema[m] and.. I don't feel we should be failing existing bug reports for it
14:35 Joubu you get all the errors
14:35 Joubu jajm: yes
14:35 ashimema[m] my feeling is as much as I'd like to see it done.. it also doesn't present me with enough of an issue to work on it personally..
14:35 Joubu My point is: we can explode, people is supposed to have a backup.
14:35 jajm Joubu, "As I said I would prefer to have the whole thing ran in one go." so you want to run every DB update even if the first failed ?
14:35 ashimema[m] well.. is it still a goal people are strongly feeling should be met
14:34 ashimema[m] hehe
14:34 Joubu (note to myself: never write you are going to do something during the next dev cycle...)
14:33 ashimema[m] In short.. there's a strong feeling amongst some that updatedatebase should somehow gracefully fail to ensure the database is consistent for all as apposed to just warning.
14:33 Joubu basically, see my last comment on 25078
14:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18050 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Missing constraint on aqbudgets.budget_period_id in aqbudgets
14:33 ashimema[m] and more recently came up in bug 18050
14:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #8: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/8/
14:33 wahanui Congratulations!
14:33 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
14:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22887 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , authorised_values is missing a unique constraint on category + authorised_value
14:32 ashimema[m] which was raised a a bug after discussions on bug 22887
14:32 jajm Joubu, yes, but I wasn't aware of bug 25078
14:32 Joubu I was trying to find this one
14:32 Joubu yes
14:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Gracefully stop updatedatabase/installer when a database change cannot be applied
14:32 ashimema[m] most recent broader discussion is on bug 25078
14:32 ashimema[m] It comes up semi-frequently
14:31 Joubu jajm: you added that, right?
14:31 ashimema[m] thanks
14:31 Joubu #topic What to do when updatedatabase fails ?
14:31 ashimema[m] good idea
14:30 Joubu especially if the author does not attend the meeting
14:30 Joubu that will help to know if we should postpone or if the action has been done
14:30 Joubu ashimema[m]: ideally we should update the action entry directly on the meeting page
14:29 Joubu #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:29 Joubu #info tuxayo collected notes from past and present RMaints about their backport policies at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/User:Victor_Grousset_-_tuxayo/Release_maintenance_tips
14:28 Joubu #topic tuxayo to collect notes (if any) from past&present RMaints about their backport policies.
14:28 ashimema[m] ajha.. I bet I drafted it on the bug report
14:28 Joubu #action ashimema to write a guideline to forbidding the use of type "number" (postponed)
14:28 ashimema[m] I'll add it to the guidelines as "ACC2: Input type number should not be used"
14:28 Joubu and it has been approved, I will merge it. I guess I was waiting for the guidelines to be approved
14:28 * fridolin waves
14:27 ashimema[m] OK.. seems I never added it
14:27 Joubu there is a merge request associated to the issue
14:27 Joubu https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools/-/issues/38
14:26 Joubu or there is a merge request
14:26 Joubu I think so
14:26 amoyano is it part of the qa script?
14:26 ashimema[m] just trying to find the draft
14:26 ashimema[m] I thought I did that
14:25 ashimema[m] hmm
14:25 Joubu #topic ashimema to write a guideline to forbidding the use of type "number"
14:24 Joubu #action davidnind to add information about what to backport to the release maintainers role page (as a starting point for further notes and guidance)
14:24 Joubu #action davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth) (postponed)
14:24 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:24 Joubu @later tell davidnind Can you update the actions assigned to you for the next dev meetings please?
14:24 ashimema[m] me either
14:23 Joubu I think I pinged him at the last meeting but cannot remember his answer :-/
14:23 ashimema[m] I'll ask said customer if they're happy for me to share such a set (with anonymised users of course)
14:23 Joubu #topic davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth) (postponed)
14:23 ashimema[m] the tests we ran with it were with a customers data.. a few hundred lines of circ rules
14:23 Joubu great :)
14:22 Joubu #action ashimema Setup a sandbox with lot of circ rules (ideally from production data) to test 15522. Then ask the list for feedback.
14:22 tcohen ashimema[m]++
14:22 ashimema[m] how big is big..
14:22 Joubu you are voluntering, right?
14:22 ashimema[m] that's a nice idea
14:21 Joubu and ask the list for feedback?
14:21 Joubu Could we imagine a sandbox with sample data with a lot of circ rules?
14:21 amoyano hehe
14:21 ashimema[m] in the end it was sumamrised as.. "We like it"
14:20 Joubu ashimema[m]: where are the notes you collected?
14:20 ashimema[m] we also have a customer on standby to play with it
14:20 Joubu #action amoyano Will try to provide a Vue alternative to bug 15522
14:20 ashimema[m] especially once they'd had a chat with their contemporaries at ByWater..
14:20 ashimema[m] I got our support team to give it a run down and they liked it..
14:19 ashimema[m] amoyano that is awesome
14:19 Joubu (ie. not devs)
14:19 ashimema[m] I'm not expert enough in either react or vue to have a strong feeling.. but I will admit the react code looks complex
14:19 Joubu I really would like to get some feedback from real users
14:19 amoyano I'll try to do something this week
14:19 Joubu maybe something to present during KohaCon?
14:19 ashimema[m] I'd rather wait a month/cycle and see a nice proof of vue
14:19 Joubu it's definitely too late for 20.11
14:18 ashimema[m] I've a feeling at this point it's not a 20.11 piece but one for very very early 21.05
14:18 Joubu amoyano: when do you think you will have time to dedicate to it?
14:18 tcohen I'll take a look there
14:18 tcohen there's the need to revisit the gulpfile
14:18 ashimema[m] amoyano that would be awesome
14:18 tcohen amoyano++
14:18 ashimema[m] UX wise everyone seemed happy
14:18 amoyano I'll try to add my 2 cents on vue for that one
14:18 ashimema[m] I believe the existing branch needs a minor rebase for the changes to our build scripts
14:17 Joubu What are the feedbacks of the users?
14:17 ashimema[m] OK.. 15522 generally I'm happy with.. I was hoping to see a vue alternative put forward for comparison to highlight the complexity/simplicity of the javascript
14:17 Joubu ashimema[m]: what is the status of this?
14:16 matts ashimema[m], I agree.
14:16 ashimema[m] It would be nice to see some more QA's from matts and alex_a
14:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , New interface for revamped circulation rules
14:16 Joubu #topic ashimema is collecting notes about bug 15522 and is going to review and dig a bit more into the code (postponed)
14:16 Joubu #topic Actions from last meeting
14:16 Joubu #info Actions from last meeting
14:15 Joubu #info @QA - QA ALL THE THINGS. There are easy ones to boost your name on top of the dashboard :)
14:14 ashimema[m] most are simple to QA too.. boost your numbers by taking some on chaps
14:13 ashimema[m] +1 (I'm locked out of most as I've done a chunk of SO on them)
14:13 Joubu as she did an awesome job last month to lower the numbers
14:13 Joubu It would be great to see some of you focussed on Katrin's patches
14:13 ashimema[m] usual suspects are shouldering allot of the burden
14:13 Joubu Queue is getting high a bit, 65 bugs
14:12 ashimema[m] QA has been flowing well.. but there's always more that can be done
14:12 Joubu #topic Updates from the QA team
14:11 Joubu postponed after KohaCon
14:11 * ashimema[m] is happy to see fridolin running for rmaint next cycle
14:11 Joubu #info October stable releases will be rolled out on 27th
14:11 ashimema[m] are there any here?
14:10 Joubu #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:10 Joubu ha yes, release dates will be published on the ML very soon
14:09 Joubu And that's all for me, any questions?
14:09 Joubu I have started to add the release-notes-needed flag on some bug reports pushed to 20.11 that need them. Please add them when missing! At least for the ones I flagged.
14:09 ashimema[m] awesome on the gitserver front
14:09 * ashimema[m] has been tip toeing around that one..
14:09 Joubu #info The new git server will be live next month, after the October stable releases
14:08 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24488 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Holds to Pull sometimes shows the wrong 'first patron' details
14:08 Joubu Other point, I would like to highlight bug 24488: That would be great to see one or two of us offering their help to aleisha.
14:08 Joubu Those using kohadevbox will certainly to install new dependencies. Let us know if you face any problems related to them.
14:07 Joubu #info If you face issues with ktd you certainly need to `docker-compose pull`
14:07 amoyano great news!
14:07 Joubu Keep going the work on those 2 and SO/QA on existing dependent patches or open/write follow-up bug reports.
14:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22417 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Add a task queue
14:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20582 enhancement, P5 - low, Future, julian.maurice, Pushed to master , Turn Koha into a Mojolicious application
14:07 Joubu bug 20582 and bug 22417 have been pushed this week
14:06 ashimema[m] :)
14:06 Joubu #topic Update from the Release manager (20.11)
14:06 Joubu otherwise I am moving on
14:06 Joubu as usual, just ask me with quick "!" or "." or whatever if you want me to stop
14:05 Joubu Anyone have something else to announce?
14:05 oleonard Joubu++
14:05 ashimema[m] long live the RM
14:04 Joubu I candidate to continue as serving for RM
14:04 Joubu please add your name :)
14:04 Joubu #info Roles for 21.05 are opened https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_21.05
14:04 Joubu #topic Announcements
14:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:02 amoyano #info Agustin Moyano, Theke Solutions
14:02 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_7_October_2020
14:02 jajm #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre
14:02 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:01 ashimema[m] #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:01 wahanui rmaints is lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!!âš¡âš¡
14:01 Joubu rmaints?
14:01 wahanui i think qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts
14:01 Joubu qa_team?
14:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
14:01 Joubu #topic Introductions
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14:01 Joubu #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 7 October 2020
14:01 tony Got it
14:01 tcohen lets talk a bit later
14:01 tcohen tony, we have a dev meeting right now
14:00 tony It is showing me that I have some XML issues going on
13:59 tony Well that is what I should have upgraded to but the client was pressuring so much I just kept it on 16
13:58 Joubu but yeah, if you are starting from scratch you should prefer Ubuntu 18 or 20
13:58 tony That is just what I'm thinking since this version of Ubuntu is old
13:58 tcohen ok
13:58 tcohen then why is tony having deps issues he
13:58 Joubu I think mtj fixed that
13:57 tcohen but it might have dependency issues
13:57 tony It shows on the site that it is still good for 20
13:57 Joubu At least our CI is green
13:57 Joubu I may work actually
13:56 tcohen https://koha-community.org/koha-20-05-released/
13:56 tcohen Ah, that Ubuntu version is not supported by Koha 20.05
13:55 tcohen https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian
13:55 tony I'm running it on Ubuntu 16.04 so it might be something that is within that version
13:55 tcohen yes, but did you apt install koha-common?
13:55 tony I installed via the web installation
13:54 tcohen how did you install Koha I mean
13:54 Joubu it installs some modules, you are certainly missing one
13:54 tcohen how did you install tony?
13:54 tony Hmmmmm well it is still running so I should see the results soon
13:53 Joubu tony: you should not need that, really :) Something else is going wrong
13:53 tony Yes I'm sure another reason to get into the About Koha
13:52 Joubu FYI all: Dev meeting in less than 10min
13:50 tcohen that library dates back to 2008
13:50 tcohen are you sure you're using Koha 20.05?
13:49 tcohen So a plugin was breaking Koha?
13:49 tcohen Oh
13:48 tony Thank you both -- I had to run perl -MCPAN -e 'install Bundle::KohaSupport' and now it is working --- tks again
13:46 tcohen what Joubu said
13:46 tcohen ah, plack-intranet-error.log?
13:38 Joubu I would tail -f on the whole /var/log/koha/<instance>/*.log
13:38 tony I understand however I can initialize any of the 'perl' if I can't see what's there
13:38 tcohen and reload the interface to trigger the error
13:37 tcohen keep the command running (tail -f)
13:37 tcohen those are harmless warnings
13:37 tony tcohen -- tks for responding, the log sez: Use of uninitialized value $query in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 1296. Use of uninitialized value $query in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 1297. Use of uninitialized value $query in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 1306. Use of uninitialized value $query in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search
13:24 tcohen tail -f /var/log/koha/<instance>/plack-error.log
13:23 tcohen what do the logs say?
13:22 tony Can someone tell me why I'm getting a Internal Server Error when in the admin area and trying to open 'about koha' --- BTW Everything else works perfect --- I'm using Koha 20
13:00 ashimema[m] oops
13:00 ashimema[m] did I not sign it off already..
13:00 * ashimema[m] likes that bug
12:59 tcohen I expected many things to explode, and it was just a bunch of edge cases that had regression tests
12:59 tcohen I must admit I got surprised how easy was switching things into using the new table
12:58 ashimema[m] lol
12:56 kidclamp couldn't affect a thing :-P
12:56 tcohen it is tiny :-P
12:56 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Merge 'reserves' and 'old_reserves' into a new 'holds' table
12:56 tcohen kidclamp at least allow to push bug 25260
12:55 tcohen it takes me almost an hour to pick the nanny as there's no public transportation
12:55 tcohen late morning actually :-D
12:42 ashimema[m] ;P
12:42 ashimema[m] well.. afternoon here.. but morning for you tcohen
12:40 ashimema[m] morning
12:40 ashimema[m] wha
12:38 Joubu deal
12:35 kidclamp :-P
12:35 kidclamp ok guys, no one touch the holds code anymore from now on everyone must accept it as is
12:18 tcohen morning
12:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #261: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/261/
11:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #260: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/260/
10:50 ashimema[m] or you could add the proposal for role to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Project_roles and we can help flesh it out at a later date :)
10:49 ashimema[m] https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.11 (there's an example of writing a proposal on there for Jonathan D as RM.. something similar for what you would like to see the role take on would be perfect)
10:47 ashimema[m] let me know if you need a hand with anything
10:46 henryb Ok thanks for the comments and encouragement, I will add something to the wiki
10:43 ashimema[m] unicorns++
10:42 ashimema[m] fridolin++
10:40 kidclamp heh
10:39 ashimema[m] ah yes.. that would do it vfernandes :)
10:38 ashimema[m] henryb++.. assuming you have a wiki account, feel free to stick a new role in and write a little proposal for it.. we can vote as a community to ratify it (and I'm yet to see a role like this turned down)
10:38 vfernandes *instead of lib/Koha/Patron/Attribute/Type.pm
10:37 vfernandes ohhh my bad... I put the method test in lib/Koha/Patron/Attribute/Types.pm instead of lib/Koha/Patron/Attribute/Types.pm :D
10:37 ashimema[m] I know there's a real push for more accessability aware stuff at the moment.. obviously here in the UK, but I'm also aware of a few projects more widely in europe too.. would be great to have someone take the lead on helping to bring attention to those bugs and adding guidlines around them..
10:36 kidclamp vfernandes, restart plack AND memcached?
10:36 ashimema[m] even if it ends up a temporary role that only exists for a few cycles.. having someone concentrate on working through adding suitable guidelines and documenting our shortcomings on that front would be fantastic.
10:35 ashimema[m] I love the idea of someone focusing on accessability henryb :)
10:33 vfernandes i'm using a custom installation
10:33 kidclamp generally in dev you aren't editing the lib/ files directly, but the ones in the kohaclone
10:33 kidclamp vfernandes: are you running kohadevbox? or koha testing docker?
10:32 kohaputti (there just needs to be a volunteer to do this work)
10:32 kohaputti oleonard, henryb yup, I think it is just important that somebody is interested doing the instructions and filing pre-existing bugs for this, whether there is separate role for this or not I don't think matters but I wouldn't be against having designated person for this
10:31 vfernandes the error appears after restarting pack
10:31 vfernandes lib/Koha/Patron/Attribute/Type.pm
10:30 oleonard henryb: On the other hand, if "official" recognition of the role helped you get the time and resources in your "day job," then we can give you a title and an official badge if necessary :D
10:28 oleonard henryb having "official" recognition of the role might be useful if there was disagreement about the worthiness of the task, but I don't think there is.
10:27 Joubu vfernandes: did you restart plack?
10:26 kidclamp vfernandes, what files did you edit?
10:26 oleonard henryb it's the kind of role that can be self-created if you'd like to see it happen. I think it's a great idea.
10:25 vfernandes Can someone help me with a koha dev question? I'm trying to expand a Koha .pm file but i'm getting this error: "Template process failed: undef error - The method test is not covered by tests! at /KEEPS/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm"
10:24 henryb Possibly if nobody else wanted it although I'm sure there are other people much more qualified!
10:22 oleonard henryb are you interested in taking that position?
10:19 henryb Yes, I absolutely agree. But I thought that if there was someone (or more than one person?) who had accessibility in their role then they might be more likely to prioritise accessibility and update the instructions
10:16 kohaputti Also probably for the relevant parts it should be in the Coding guidelines (https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines)
10:14 kohaputti so I suggest we add some instructions for the qa team regarding this in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_QA in the section "What to look for"
10:12 kohaputti but also pre-existing bugs should be filed
10:12 kohaputti It should be included to the QA process imho
10:12 henryb does anyone have any thoughts? And if you think it's a good idea how do we go about adding a role?
10:11 henryb I guess the role would vary depending on the person's skillset and experience
10:11 henryb And an excuse/opportunity for someone to develop expertise
10:11 henryb I think it would be a great signal that we value accessibility
10:10 henryb A bit like the topic expert but without any extra QA points
10:10 henryb e.g. test from an accessibility perspective, update accessibility guidance and documentation, generally promote accessibility issues and file new bugs
10:10 henryb I was looking at the 21.05 roles and wondered if there was space for a new role for someone to focus on accessibility
07:15 ashimema[m] on Jenkins that is
07:15 ashimema[m] is there a reason 19.05_D8 is disabled?
06:56 ashimema[m] Reading back now
06:56 ashimema[m] Sorry, got caught in the rush to get kids ready for school
06:45 wahanui que tal, alex_a
06:45 alex_a Bonjour
06:42 wahanui hi, fridolin
06:42 fridolin hi
06:36 reiveune hello
06:33 dcook And thanks for the cookies ;)
06:33 dcook Anyway, have a good day ashimema[m] and all
06:33 dcook Of course, now it's the end of my work day, and I don't really feel like working on technical things... heh
06:27 dcook I just wish I'd make some blog entries so I'd keep records of my deep dives lol
06:26 dcook I think Golang is supposed to have some busy wait too, although I haven't seen it in practice yet. I think I've only seen it actually sleep when it had no work to do..
06:26 dcook So yeah... looked at the Erlang runtime to see if there was anything obvious..
06:25 dcook But it's just interesting technically speaking
06:25 dcook Of course, I'm not too worried about 1% CPU usage
06:25 dcook They say RabbitMQ will sleep the schedulers, but I don't see any actual evidence of that
06:25 dcook According to the RabbitMQ docs, this is due to "busy waiting", which they say you can turn off, but doing so only seems to partially achieve the goal
06:24 dcook Basically, RabbitMQ using a small amount of CPU constantly even when it's not processing any messages
06:23 dcook Although the concerns that people have raised intrigue me
06:23 dcook I'm pretty happy with RabbitMQ overall
06:13 ashimema[m] Was more than happy to bow out as it's not an area I'm all that familiar with at the moment
06:13 ashimema[m] I've not looked at our us of RabbitMQ in detail yet.. I took a step back when I saw people more knowledgeable sounding than me looking at it..
06:10 dcook (Although I think we do some RabbitMQ-specific stuff for it)
06:09 dcook I mean fortunately since we're using Net::Stomp for the connections, we can always sub in a different MQ
06:09 dcook Don't know why I didn't notice that before
06:09 dcook Huh... TIL that VMware apparently own RabbitMQ
06:08 dcook Definitely makes it tough to modernize..
06:07 dcook Yeah, it's what... 20 years old now?
06:07 dcook Mojo::IOLoop was interesting. Very minimal interface
06:07 ashimema[m] Koha is awesome but it has one heck of a legacy and momentum which makes it really hard to make the most of newer technologies
06:07 dcook In the end, I actually just used the OpenAPI spec to document it and didn't bother with any autogenerated code..
06:07 dcook I was doing some OpenAPI work with Perl the other day but couldn't use Mojolicious... not fun
06:06 dcook Hehe I bet
06:06 ashimema[m] Mojo is cool.. I'm really glad I got to code something's Ng fresh and new with it before looking at it from a Koha perspective though..
06:05 dcook I messed around with Mojo::IOLoop a little while ago and would like to look at that again
06:05 dcook I am planning to play more with Mojo
06:04 ashimema[m] Mojo is another area I'd really like to help move forward..
06:02 ashimema[m] With a grant I feel like I could give up some of the day job and focus on those more altruistic concerns like this
06:01 dcook Saaame
06:01 ashimema[m] :(
06:01 ashimema[m] Totally.. personal and professional interest.. but I already don't have enough hours in the day to follow those
06:00 dcook Hmm good question
06:00 ashimema[m] Wonder if there are any grants out there that could help keep Koha runnable for poorer nations
06:00 dcook It's more a professional interest of mine than a business one..
05:59 dcook Yeah, true enough
05:59 dcook (That led me down another rabbit hole of comparing major web servers and their sendfile(2) syscall support heh)
05:59 ashimema[m] But I don't think it's a priority for any businesses here unfortunately..
05:59 dcook Julian was saying he was getting great performance with hypnotoad even for static assets
05:59 dcook I'd be curious to see how the further move to Mojolicious will go too
05:58 ashimema[m] Decomposing would be great for everyone
05:58 dcook Yeah, I've been thinking about that a bit lately
05:58 ashimema[m] Yeah
05:58 ashimema[m] I'm sure there are some me lighter weight alternatives to RabbitMQ and Elastic out there that could give us 90% of what we need for the average users
05:58 dcook lighter*
05:58 dcook And then slowly decomposing things to be lighter and ligheter
05:58 dcook Well, my first go at a Koha lite would just be with fewer required dependencies
05:57 ashimema[m] But I'm not sure how to approach it.. needs some funding really
05:57 dcook Isn't that the way..
05:57 dcook I can't remember what we decided either heh
05:57 ashimema[m] I'm still keen to try and do a Koha lite or whatever we decided to call it
05:57 dcook Which I get in concept but in practice... not so much
05:56 dcook and it seems like it comes at least partially from busy waiting/spinning..
05:56 dcook I'm mostly looking at a few concerns people have about RabbitMQ and its CPU usage
05:56 dcook A few months ago, I saw some rather bigoted things on listservs (not Koha of course) and it just had me shaking my head
05:56 ashimema[m] Erlang is hard.. I'd be asking lots of questions if I tried Erlang again
05:55 dcook The friendly community here is the best
05:55 dcook And an Erlang programmer having a go at someone for asking a question
05:55 ashimema[m] I think you mix in way more technical circles than me at times.. I'm focused back down to Koha possibly a bit too much at the minute.. I should re-broaden my coding really.. bit I love the friendly community here
05:55 dcook I don't do enough low level programming to know if he's being overly harsh or on point though heh
05:54 dcook Oh, just saying how anyone who uses the sched_yield syscall is basically the worst
05:54 ashimema[m] Pooh, what did Linus do now.. assuming your talking about The Linus
05:53 dcook And thanks :)
05:53 dcook I have to say though Linus gives me a run for my money in terms of length and verbosity of messages..
05:53 ashimema[m] Welcome aboard
05:53 ashimema[m] Nice to see you sign up for QA team btw
05:53 dcook Much appreciated
05:53 dcook And cheers :)
05:52 dcook I just saw your comment heh
05:52 ashimema[m] Just read your Facebook from two hours ago and though you could do with a more positive interaction dcook :)
05:52 dcook Thanks for signing off my patch yesterday heh
05:52 ashimema[m] davidnind++ #mr SO machine
05:52 dcook davidnind++
05:52 dcook I'm so lost
05:51 dcook No dcook
05:51 dcook Wait..
05:51 dcook Makes waaaaay more sense
05:51 dcook other david
05:51 dcook lol
05:51 dcook Why do I get cookies?
05:51 dcook Morning :)
05:51 * ashimema[m] sends dcook cookies
05:51 ashimema[m] Good morning
05:39 alexbuckley :)
05:39 davidnind no problem!
05:38 alexbuckley thank you davidnind for testing bugs 25460 and 26589 the other day! davidnind++