Time  Nick          Message
05:34 TimothyAlexis Adding flag to language description would be easy.
05:52 TimothyAlexis I could do it in one database (test environment), but another returns: SQL Error [1366] [22007]: (conn=5118276) Incorrect string value: '\xF0\x9F\x87\xAC\xF0\x9F...' for column `language_descriptions`.`description` at row 1
06:20 magnuse       \o/
06:22 TimothyAlexis I once played Starcraft with someone in South Korea about 20 years ago. I wrote "lol" and he asked "Why hands up?"
06:34 reiveune      hello
06:46 alex_a        Bonjour
06:57 fridolin      hi
07:00 cait          good morning #koha!
07:32 TimothyAlexis Bootstrap also has flag icons, but these don't seem to work in Koha.
07:33 TimothyAlexis Because they were introduced in version 4.8.1
08:02 cait          very quiet Monday
08:02 cait          everyone lost in their inboxes?
08:06 TimothyAlexis If we remove the html filters where the language description is retrieved by Template Toolkit, then we can use HTML Entity for the flags.
08:16 ashimema[m]   dang, bug 26536 is a bit horrible :(
08:16 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26536 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , "Writeoff selected" seems deduct old unpaid fines first
08:17 * ashimema[m] has decided that paycollect is an awful controller..
08:19 cait          hirstoircally grown into one i guess...
08:19 cait          escaped the clean-up?
08:19 ashimema[m]   I've been working through cleaning the object system.. I've not hit the controllers yet ;)
08:19 cait          i see :)
08:19 ashimema[m]   but looking at it, I feel like it could be reduced by a few hundred lines
08:20 ashimema[m]   it's whether it's worth the effort when it would be even nicer to just switch out to API and use more direct calls and an interactive UI
08:21 ashimema[m]   must admit.. I'm not the biggest fan of the addition of 'Pay'/'Writeoff' buttons at the top recently.
08:22 ashimema[m]   I'd far prefer we'd just switched them to modals
08:23 ashimema[m]   hoping someone might like to fund me to work on Stockholms spec.
08:23 ashimema[m]   https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Account_view_RFC
08:24 ashimema[m]   I've done all the hard work behind the scenes now.. and have now run out of funding on accounts..
08:24 ashimema[m]   it would be really nice to follow through and fixup the UI's
08:24 cait          haven't had time to read it yet, but it's on the list
08:24 cait          (the neverending one...)
08:26 kohaputti     cait, hi, I would be inclined to do total rewrite for bug 11175 given your latest discoveries, using the database table approach which seemed to be the ideal solution
08:26 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joonas.kylmala, Failed QA , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views
08:27 kohaputti     cait, and maybe rethinking where to list the component part records
08:27 cait          let me take a quick look at my notes
08:29 cait          kohaputti: hm ok, i didn't see them as severe, maybe apart from the display issue
08:29 cait          i think a new tab might maybe work?
08:29 kohaputti     yeah, the issues you raised are not that big but we might as well just do this the wanted way now instead of fixing those issues you raised and then refactoring to do it the wanted way
08:29 kohaputti     I was considering new tab, yeah
08:30 cait          i thnk that would be nice
08:30 kohaputti     it should work on mobile nicely
08:30 cait          true
08:30 cait          and not interfere with 880 display for RTL
08:30 cait          a point I thought about later, but didn't get to test
08:30 cait          they show "mirrored" on the right, where the components do right now too
08:30 kohaputti     hmm, this is now like 50/50 whether to rewrite from scratch or fix those issues
08:31 cait          hm I will leave it up to you
08:31 cait          maybe consult with Nick ? my thought was that maybe Elasticsearch is not actually hard but just a matter of some little change
08:31 kohaputti     ok, I have not thought super well yet the DB approach and moving things to tab and the mobile experience so I will let you and everybody else know in the comments
08:32 cait          for the work Tomas did on the "show links only when linked records exist" it turned out a matter of capitalzation
08:32 kohaputti     cait, yeah I think we just need to change and -> AND and basically add some new search fields to the index
08:32 kohaputti     sorry, or -> OR
08:32 cait          that is what I was hoping for yep
08:55 ashimema[m]   https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-dashboard/-/merge_requests/107
08:55 ashimema[m]   what do you think of that cait..
08:56 ashimema[m]   my demo data is outdated.. by nearly 12 months!
08:56 ashimema[m]   but it shows a good approximation
08:57 cait          can i be pink? :P
08:57 cait          just joking
08:58 ashimema[m]   hehe
08:58 cait          does it show the name on mouse-over?
08:58 ashimema[m]   the color generator is weird.. no idea why it favours greens
08:58 cait          i like it
08:58 cait          wonder if maybe we shoudl have a "javascript switch" for a more or less graphical version of the dashboard
08:59 cait          it makes it funt o look at but maybe a bit less compact
08:59 ashimema[m]   true
08:59 ashimema[m]   that's not a bad idea
09:00 ashimema[m]   I was almost thinking of the opposite actually..  having the textual lists collapsed by default
09:00 ashimema[m]   but yeah... some way of condensing the data a bit
09:01 cait          hm true
09:01 ashimema[m]   I always wonder how many people ever scroll far enough to see the 'Patches pushed for release XX.YY' columns
09:01 ashimema[m]   * I always wonder how many people ever scroll far enough to see the 'Patches pushed for release XX.YY' column
09:01 cait          at least 1 :)
09:02 magnuse       those piecharts are awesome! and so is cait!
09:02 ashimema[m]   I also find it slightly jarring that we have 'Last 5 signoffs' next to '10 Oldest bugs'.. feels like 'Last 10' would fit more nicely horizonatally..
09:03 ashimema[m]   alignment ise.. hehe
09:03 ashimema[m]   on current data they'de show cait off even more ;)
09:03 magnuse       yay!
09:03 ashimema[m]   or should I say they show the rest of us up even more ?
09:35 ashimema[m]   @later tell mtj are you on the case for U16 support for the various releases.. I see Jenkins is disabled for all the stables at that verions.
09:35 huginn        ashimema[m]: The operation succeeded.
09:39 mtj           hi ashimema[m], master and 20.05.x are ok for u16
09:40 ashimema[m]   oh.. master is still disabled on Jenkins
09:40 mtj           ...19.11 and 19.05 failed with ES problems a while ago, i was meaning to follow it up
09:40 ashimema[m]   has a message: Ubuntu 16 (Xenial is not longer supported since bug 16357 and the new dependency libplack-middleware-logwarn-perl)
09:40 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16357 normal, P3, ---, dcook, Pushed to master , Plack error logs are not time stamped
09:40 Joubu         that's me
09:40 ashimema[m]   aha..
09:40 Joubu         it's no longer valid
09:41 ashimema[m]   shall we re-enabled Jenkins for master then?
09:41 Joubu         I am re-enalbing it
09:41 ashimema[m]   excellent
09:41 wahanui       darn tootin' it is.
09:41 Joubu         done
09:41 * ashimema[m] is looking at http://mrdev-zebra-staff.koha-ptfs.co.uk:3000/
09:41 mtj           i'll take a look at 19.11/u16 now, before i forget
09:41 ashimema[m]   cool.. and there's also a run going for 19.11 :)
09:42 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22343: Remove traces of libmail-sendmail-perl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab2760e7e4dadf0dccd5ad612c15ad69b129bdda>
09:42 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22343: (follow-up) Remove traces of Mail::Sendmail - update POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3a2c4cfffca9c06fbaf274825fbeeecf6bd1c84>
09:42 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22343: (follow-up) Remove traces of Mail::Sendmail <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=704a05379133fa56802bb5d406777322dd0ff79f>
09:42 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22343: (follow-up) Make sure no invalid address is used in tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04f2ecb56c1aa91ca2292c375fcd7cdb22a168d5>
09:42 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22343: Add exec flag on .t files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c54da79431bc2e72acd4b23e1c1eabf23170fc64>
09:42 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22343: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9a63feb730b6b9801d37324aa62ff7d20654f1c>
09:42 ashimema[m]   no worries.. we're just making it all a bit more obvious now adding U16 to the dashboard 🙂 mtj
09:42 ashimema[m]   aha.. cool.. I was going to offer assistance with those failures Joubu.. looks like you had them all in hand :)
09:43 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #3: ABORTED in 2 min 16 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/3/
09:43 Joubu         we need to redo the view a bit
09:44 ashimema[m]   yeah.. it's a little messy
09:44 Joubu         the build statuses block is getting to short
09:44 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #418: ABORTED in 2 min 8 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/418/
09:44 ashimema[m]   too short?
09:44 Joubu         too small, too tight
09:45 ashimema[m]   ah, yes.. I have a really wide screen
09:45 ashimema[m]   doesn't look too bad for me.
09:45 Joubu         I cannot even read "unstable"
09:45 ashimema[m]   but I don't like how the alignment is weird
09:45 Joubu         yes on the wide screen it's ok
09:45 ashimema[m]   the quick fix would be to remove the 'New Developers' column which hasn't worked in years..
09:46 ashimema[m]   I'd love to have got it working but at this point I think perhaps we're better off killing it off for a while and using the screen real estate
09:47 ashimema[m]   or.. I've wondered about shifting the Build statuses up to the top right and moving the 'Random Bug and Koha release date elsewhere
09:47 ashimema[m]   not sure how that might look though
09:48 mtj           ashimema[m]: i really love your pie charts :)
09:48 ashimema[m]   http://mrdev-zebra-staff.koha-ptfs.co.uk:3000/
09:48 ashimema[m]   :)
09:49 ashimema[m]   hmm.. that looks a bit odd to me too
09:50 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #4: ABORTED in 5 min 44 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/4/
09:52 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #419: FAILURE in 2 min 5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/419/
09:55 ashimema[m]   is this just weird: http://mrdev-zebra-staff.koha-ptfs.co.uk:3000/
09:56 ashimema[m]   as a slight re-arrangement?
09:56 kohaputti     ashimema[m], it is hard to read at least, this way the font became super small
09:57 kohaputti     removing the new developers looked fine for me
09:58 ashimema[m]   think I'm inclined to agree
09:58 kohaputti     hmm, now that you increased the font I might say "maybe"
09:58 ashimema[m]   looks better where it was down below
09:58 ashimema[m]   but without the 'New developers' block so it has the space to have a decent size font
09:58 ashimema[m]   unless anyone has any other ideas?
09:59 cait          it seems new devs was broken forever :(
09:59 cait          i really ike the idea of it
09:59 ashimema[m]   it's an encoding issue
09:59 cait          but having it empty all the time is not nice, so we may use the scpace
09:59 ashimema[m]   Joubu, rangi and I have all had a go at fixing it
10:03 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #81: FAILURE in 8 min 38 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/81/
10:06 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U18 build #901: FAILURE in 3 min 26 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/901/
10:26 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
10:26 wahanui       Congratulations!
10:26 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1438: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1438/
10:26 TimothyAlexis We want to add flags to the language description. Do you think I should create a patch for community or do it only in our database?
10:27 ashimema[m]   I tihnk it sounds like a nice feature
10:27 ashimema[m]   I can imagine lots of people liking it
10:29 kohaputti     our translations seem to have language and country/location specified so it might work. I was just wondering if there could be any corner cases
10:30 TimothyAlexis There are many
10:30 oleonard      Hi all
10:31 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
10:31 wahanui       Congratulations!
10:31 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #396: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/396/
10:31 TimothyAlexis One thing could atleast be to clear the html-filtering in masthead-langmenu.inc, opac-bottom.inc and langmenu-staff-top.inc.
10:33 TimothyAlexis That would allow description values as such: &#127468;&#127463; English
10:34 TimothyAlexis Which looks like this: 🇬🇧 English
10:35 TimothyAlexis Is there any specific reason why these are filtered as html?
10:35 TimothyAlexis [% sublanguages_loo.native_description | html %] [% sublanguages_l    oo.script_description | html %] [% sublanguages_loo.region_description | html %] [% s    ublanguages_loo.variant_description | html %]
10:36 kohaputti     TimothyAlexis, this seems to be very debated thing, e.g. http://jkorpela.fi/flags.html
10:37 TimothyAlexis kohaputti I agree
10:37 Joubu         mtj: last U18 run failed on Docker_3 with "12:06:35 readlink /var/lib/docker/overlay2/l: invalid argument"
10:37 Joubu         I've never seen that
10:37 kohaputti     TimothyAlexis, the reason you wanted something like this is to make it easier to select the right language?
10:37 TimothyAlexis Yeah
10:37 Joubu         (don't know if it's coming from U18 or Docker_3, I scheduled a new run)
10:38 TimothyAlexis But I'm only suggesting allowing HTML Entity code, rather than escaping it and displaying it as string.
10:40 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
10:40 wahanui       Congratulations!
10:40 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U20 build #100: FIXED in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/100/
10:40 TimothyAlexis The suggestion is to change lines such as the one above to this:
10:40 mtj           Joubu: i rebooted docker3, which probably caused that error?
10:40 TimothyAlexis [% sublanguages_loo.native_description %] [% sublanguages_l    oo.script_description %] [% sublanguages_loo.region_description %] [% sublanguages_loo.variant_description %]
10:41 TimothyAlexis In masthead-langmenu.inc, opac-bottom.inc and langmenu-staff-top.inc.
10:41 oleonard      All template variables have to have an appropriate filter
10:41 oleonard      It's possible that a different filter could be used but not no filter.
10:42 oleonard      Since the language descriptions are not really user-submitted input I suppose the $raw filter might be allowed, but I'm not sure
10:43 tcohen        morning
10:43 TimothyAlexis What about html_entity then?
10:43 oleonard      I do agree with kohaputti that using flags as an indicator for language is problematic.
10:43 * ashimema[m] didn't look into it deeply
10:44 ashimema[m]   but yeah.. the moment you put a union jack next to 'English'.. it made my think.. but hey.. our standard English is US not UK
10:44 TimothyAlexis I agree with the both of you that overall it is.
10:44 * ashimema[m] isn't really too worried either way
10:45 oleonard      TimothyAlexis I would suggest approaching it as a CSS customization option: Wrap the language description in a <span> or something like that with a class which can be associated with a custom style
10:45 kohaputti     I find it easy to change the language as it is now
10:45 kohaputti     although, in the installations we have there is only 3 languages
10:45 TimothyAlexis We only have 2 ;)
10:45 kohaputti     so maybe it might be harder with dozens
10:46 oleonard      You could use the CSS "content" property to specify the entity
10:46 TimothyAlexis The only suggestion I'm making is to change the filtering so that it is possible. I'll either do it on our branch only or add a patch for community.
10:48 kohaputti     TimothyAlexis, you mean possible to do with intranet user JS or CSS?
10:48 kohaputti     or how?
10:48 kohaputti     <kohaputti> TimothyAlexis, you mean possible to do with intranet user JS or CSS?
10:48 kohaputti     <kohaputti> or how?
10:49 TimothyAlexis There is a table called language_descriptions
10:51 TimothyAlexis It has a field "description"
10:53 TimothyAlexis http://www.freealization.com/files/current-filter.png
10:54 TimothyAlexis http://www.freealization.com/files/with-suggested-filter.png
10:55 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
10:55 wahanui       Congratulations!
10:55 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10 build #358: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/358/
10:57 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #10: FAILURE in 2 min 21 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/10/
10:58 TimothyAlexis current-filter = html and suggested-filter = $raw
11:02 Joubu         mtj: what is U2010?
11:02 Joubu         12:57:34 master-groovy: Pulling from koha/koha-testing
11:02 Joubu         12:57:35 error pulling image configuration: unknown blob
11:05 mtj           Joubu: its Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla)
11:05 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
11:05 wahanui       Congratulations!
11:05 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #95: FIXED in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/95/
11:05 ashimema[m]   blimey.. pre-release testing now aye
11:06 Joubu         what's missing since last run then?
11:10 mtj           hmm, not sure, i get the same error from my shell,  $docker pull koha/koha-testing:master-groovy
11:11 mtj           ..seems that the image is corrupted somehow?
11:14 mtj           Joubu: aah gitlab-ci was pushing/updating the docker image
11:15 mtj           should work ok now
11:18 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U16 build #69: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/69/
11:21 TimothyAlexis This is where I actually set the flag: http://www.freealization.com/files/language-descriptions-table.png
11:21 ashimema[m]   the problem with setting it to $raw is that you could then add arbitrary javascript in to the field and it would run
11:22 TimothyAlexis If you have access to the database, yes.
11:22 TimothyAlexis But if you have access to the database, then you can do whatever you want anyway.
11:24 Null404       hello there
11:24 wahanui       Greetings, programs!
11:24 Null404       I have a little problem about koha
11:25 TimothyAlexis Hello Null404
11:26 Null404       how to set Hold on book by book location, not by default library
11:27 Null404       for exaple: reader want to reservation book that is in library 3, but he is from library 1 and when he hold this book on library 3 he get information: "Item waiting at LIBRARY 1  since [data]
11:28 Null404       and there aren't transerfing between libraries
11:29 Null404       so there is a problem
11:30 Null404       any ideas ?
11:31 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #5: ABORTED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/5/
11:34 TimothyAlexis A filter like this also works: replace('<', '&lt;')
11:34 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #11: STILL FAILING in 3 min 41 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/11/
11:35 oleonard      TimothyAlexis if the feature is just for you, you can modify the filter as you want. If you want to make it potentially useful to others I think you need a solution that doesn't involve manually updating the database.
11:36 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
11:36 wahanui       Congratulations!
11:36 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #82: FIXED in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/82/
11:36 Null404       @TimothyAlexis where to add this filter ?
11:36 huginn        Null404: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
11:36 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
11:36 TimothyAlexis Null404: Sorry that was for something different before you entered the chatroom.
11:37 Null404       ah, okay
11:38 TimothyAlexis oleonard: Ok
11:44 TimothyAlexis That does indeed make it a lot more complex. :D
11:47 oleonard      Did you consider my CSS-based suggestion?
11:47 TimothyAlexis I am
11:47 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
11:47 wahanui       Congratulations!
11:47 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U18 build #902: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/902/
11:48 oleonard      TimothyAlexis I'm not saying you must do it that way, it's just an idea
11:48 TimothyAlexis I'm thinking about how to make it universally useful.
11:59 TimothyAlexis oleonard: I think it's a good idea, but then, flags should be connected with the region rather than the language.
12:00 TimothyAlexis It comes back to the fact that connecting flags with languages should be avoided.
12:24 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #12: NOW UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/12/
12:24 cait          TimothyAlexis: i think we had a lenghty discussion abotu flags and languages and it just wouldn't work
12:24 cait          french and spanish and even German ... too many options
12:25 TimothyAlexis cait Arabic ;)
12:25 tcohen        hola cait TimothyAlexis
12:26 TimothyAlexis Hello tcohen
12:26 oleonard      However, if you had the markup for applying a CSS customization by language you could style it according to your locality
12:27 oleonard      e.g. my library would use the US flag for English because there isn't any ambiguity for our users.
12:27 oleonard      This would probably be good enough in most cases
12:28 Joubu         mtj: thanks for U2010, you can ignore the failures, they are random ones
12:36 TimothyAlexis Another thing though.
12:37 TimothyAlexis We had a warning about <lockdir> pointing to a non-writable directory when directory was missing.
12:37 TimothyAlexis Should Koha: a) Attempt to create the directory if it doesn't exist, and
12:37 TimothyAlexis b) Report a different error message if it's not able to create it ?
12:38 TimothyAlexis or c) Report the directory as missing rather than non-writable.
12:52 Null404       @huginn are you there?
12:52 huginn        Null404: I've exhausted my database of quotes
12:54 Null404       I'm waiting for  solution about holds on book in koha
12:56 oleonard      Null404: huginn is a bot
13:02 Null404       okay :/
13:03 Null404       so no one know how to set Hold on book by book location, not by default library on patron?
13:07 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
13:07 wahanui       Congratulations!
13:07 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #6: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/6/
13:12 mtj           Joubu: cheers ^ :0)
13:16 tcohen        Joubu what would you say is the right way to start a transaction in a non-Koha::Object context?
13:16 tcohen        Koha::Database->new->schema->...?
13:19 Joubu         txn_do?
13:20 kohaputti     TimothyAlexis, yeah, I think the debian scripts should create it, please create a bug if they don't.
13:21 kohaputti     TimothyAlexis, I remember the directory existing already without having to create it manually
13:22 TimothyAlexis kohaputti Then it's a matter of our configuration.
13:22 kohaputti     TimothyAlexis, have you specified manually the lockdir variable?
13:23 kohaputti     I had to do that after one Koha upgrade, and I used the directory from the example configuration which existed already
13:24 TimothyAlexis kohaputti: Indeed, we specified it manually too when we saw the warning.
13:25 TimothyAlexis We have a custom deployment script because we are using a Galera cluster for the database.
13:25 kohaputti     TimothyAlexis, we specified /var/lock/koha/<library> as the lockdir, and it was already pre-existing
13:25 kohaputti     the same path is used in the example koha-conf.xml file so that's why I chose it
13:25 TimothyAlexis So it would have been created otherwise.
13:29 kohaputti     TimothyAlexis, I can't say for sure, it could be zebra, cronjob, etc. that have created it for us, you should check the koha source code to know how it is created
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 15032: DBRev 20.06.00.045 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e08fa0b1877a2c0d68ff98f7713cac697e99c41>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Update packaging files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=13380607137e1e7d2b17e1eee448698208dbf831>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Process the jobs even if the message broker is not reachable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b5083bc7be8cfc52d14bc50193a1121a44ccc41>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Remove list of pending jobs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98503334cc0ef8504d00561758cbcfe3ed8b926b>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Add rabbitmq status indicator on the about page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c6e6b12a531aaff2546d9c804fb719cb36c718f>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b39f69a5a3b0b0c1ac95dcb1858b76f3ab0b2ebb>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Remove $dbh in Koha::BackgroundJob::* <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5acc93bc80b7f5788ec7744cb5601549f028a36>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Fix spelling resizeable vs resizable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d33f74fa7e0df8ff7b2b6ff04481f9e897e0e758>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Add new Net::Stomp dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb2aab47444d15e16ace20652c4495f9a1946c92>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Add missing POD and html filters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=504e0a2e6a1d0db4d97d2d43992fa304d3564541>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Remove FIXME in the template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=991456b092e48bcf579fddebd4849f143c25a1b2>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Let owner of a job see the progress <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f774d08be6dc5aff368d5453415c52e0e470ac9>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Remove record_type from BatchUpdate* <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=716f5458b6b1c6b8396c10b69ff2aa806900e64a>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Send message to /queue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee4b07f18b5258193cb8b3576d9498c936a4134e>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Add the new permission manage_background_jobs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53ba2f3ffb7a06511a1fe91a10627008c7a70ed6>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Restore the 'add to list' feature <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c79aee3e7f7a5527b04dd97a47b4e35b73d9425c>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Restore the concept of namespace <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd385809cd34f5c2645eb54b6ffb567cfee00508>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Fix the batch authority tool <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42b35294244c68b9e5413333972360ec93c98c7d>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Try to display pending jobs - only work if worker not started <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2122fd8ee56594486c6136346c92d985d4db8412>
13:30 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Handle errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=735e9016ba552d74abda225701eacea1ad5015fe>
13:32 tcohen        Joubu++
13:32 tcohen        Joubu++
13:32 tcohen        Joubu++
13:33 tcohen        teamwork++
13:33 tcohen        dcook++
13:33 Joubu         yeah, thanks everybody who helped on that one!
13:33 tcohen        khall++
13:36 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #13: FAILURE in 5 min 7 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/13/
13:36 Joubu         mtj++ ;)
13:37 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #96: FAILURE in 6 min 41 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/96/
13:38 tcohen        mtj++
13:38 tcohen        packaging?
13:38 tcohen        I mean, the failure
13:38 tcohen        Net::Stomp missing
13:39 Joubu         yes yes, it's expected
13:39 Joubu         we are on it
13:40 tcohen        need me to do something?
13:40 Joubu         I don't think so
13:40 Joubu         we need the packages to be rebuilt, mtj is on it right now
13:41 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U16 build #70: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/70/
13:43 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #397: FAILURE in 6 min 50 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/397/
13:44 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U20 build #101: FAILURE in 7 min 3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/101/
13:49 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U18 build #903: FAILURE in 5 min 53 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/903/
13:49 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1439: FAILURE in 7 min 50 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1439/
13:52 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #83: FAILURE in 7 min 1 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/83/
13:53 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #84: STILL FAILING in 1 min 4 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/84/
13:55 mtj           packages are up - just rebuilding docker images..
13:56 mtj           fingers crossed
13:56 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10 build #359: FAILURE in 7 min 23 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/359/
13:56 tcohen        mtj++
13:57 mtj           really looking forward to rabbitmq stuff
13:57 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
13:57 wahanui       Congratulations!
13:57 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #420: FIXED in 1 hr 4 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/420/
14:10 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #421: FAILURE in 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/421/
14:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Add koha-worker to koha-common.install <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5403747de983c6f5f1667257162f23223b436f3>
14:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Correct DBRev bug number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=718fedcde894a37598e77c8bcdc2e92200e6d000>
14:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 22417: Add exec flag on .t file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20022fa72191b0b4a9ff979cdc3539080cb9d502>
14:52 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10 build #360: NOW UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/360/
14:53 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U18 build #904: NOW UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/904/
15:05 Joubu         `docker-compose pull` for those using ktd!
15:15 ashimema[m]   wow.. that's taking ages
15:16 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #398: NOW UNSTABLE in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/398/
15:21 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U20 build #102: NOW UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/102/
15:28 reiveune      bye
15:36 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
15:36 wahanui       Congratulations!
15:36 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1440: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1440/
15:39 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
15:39 wahanui       Congratulations!
15:39 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #85: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/85/
16:07 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U16 build #71: NOW UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/71/
16:15 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
16:15 wahanui       Congratulations!
16:15 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #97: FIXED in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/97/
16:24 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
16:24 wahanui       Congratulations!
16:24 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10 build #361: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/361/
16:26 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
16:26 wahanui       Congratulations!
16:26 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #422: FIXED in 1 hr 4 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/422/
16:57 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
16:57 wahanui       Congratulations!
16:57 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
16:57 wahanui       Congratulations!
16:57 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U18 build #905: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/905/
16:57 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #14: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/14/
17:02 lukeG1        Hello
17:13 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
17:13 wahanui       Congratulations!
17:13 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #399: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/399/
17:23 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
17:23 wahanui       Congratulations!
17:23 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U20 build #103: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/103/
17:40 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #7: UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U16/7/