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06:08 reiveune      hello
06:08 wahanui       que tal, reiveune
06:14 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #73: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D10/73/
06:17 magnuse       \o/
06:35 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #246: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/246/
06:45 alex_a        Bonjour
07:00 lds           hi
07:01 cait          good morning #koha
07:26 fridolin      hi there
07:26 wahanui       bidet, fridolin
08:52 cait2         it feels like Friday.. so quiet
09:29 * magnuse     makes random noises
09:45 ashimema[m]   mornin'
09:48 * kidclamp    waves
10:35 oleonard      o/
11:10 magnuse       \o
11:58 fridolin      war agains warns : Bug 26417
11:58 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26417 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Remove warn in Koha::Patron is_valid_age
11:58 fridolin      ;)
11:58 fridolin      agains+t
12:36 Joubu         ¡Feliz navidad oleonard!
12:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20168: Remove li tags from OPACSearchForTitleIn for new installs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94c68681181fee606a3c182c234511131dff641d>
12:37 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20168: DBRev 20.06.00.036 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=886d570e2686355b917bf3ca92c2dad029160352>
12:37 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20168: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb7a8db2c085290e5a5af968909964fe230b23ba>
12:37 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20168: Consider opaclayoutstylesheet empty if 'opac.css' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=221a40282c9fdd2d14488121d47e1529ec19cfc2>
12:37 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20168: (follow-up) Add automatic creation of RTL CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00b1bf3c2cce46878cb12957a8af999e02ec7b40>
12:37 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20168: Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cb89b46397efc5e288723829613c33e7eea0d69>
12:37 oleonard      \o/
13:18 Joubu         amoyano: around?
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13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 20168: Fix selenium tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f99976028c51b21458b6aa5eff9fe33a0d1774c4>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: DBRev 20.06.00.037 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3c199ac140a29fa10c16cbba7507a1c2e34dc34>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 24663: Fix one missing occurrence <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11da7051c2c967e7d9dd10f8511a4a452964341e>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26388: Do not show 'Renew all' or 'Renew selected' if no renewable items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=763cc4eb2e53f7a44a138d6162bfa4470a484bac>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26007: (QA follow-up) Remove message on marc_subfields_structure <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c95bb26327d11ecf8bf86dcd3996a94b2716da7c>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26007: (QA follow-up) Replace wrong link values from sql installer files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a937895fdadc9a90c53d31975ca7082516e5cdb9>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26007: (QA follow-up) Add index name to the q parameter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=10d8f8ba93571f590fc424b927b94035dfa0b9d2>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26007: Add/fix warning for changes to the Koha to MARC mappings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54941f8dc558911e4222f7325609839b7c6bae81>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: (QA follow-up) Use existing form validation to validate min password length <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a1402d06638811c5f893dc8c238b5b814bac625>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: (follow-up) Fix many things <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52deed335e08c3f8f52c834eead6ab462350cf54>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26285: Follow E.164 pattern for OPAC too <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ae7a6f421b6f313e466392722efdf67afe1b51b>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26285: Follow E.164 pattern for validating SMS numbers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4d8180d822fc9b51250d4575ada99088e9a8506>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: trivial code simplification <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e85b200783c1c56b19c515669a149e6b9920393c>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: Set default value in tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15d83d44812307f0d37abcf040a357ffab3f27e6>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 16314: Show upload link for upload plugin in basic MARC editor <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdb64657f9c69387f264a333a7d040c9f1dba574>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: (follow-up) Define boolean column in shcema <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=84004d0b3ef3af12915897dfe764fb325e5fe75d>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e14b779f38f164585f4cce543b6df06b6903b31d>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: Add minimum password length and require strong password overrides by category <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5848da810e412a69932da6935285df4e91058b6f>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: [DO NOT PUSH] Update category schema <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1be25ee4397916dc929a6838c636caa541c3c1e1>
13:40 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 23816: Update kohastructure and atomic update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f7142a89098535674366052812c1ea07f81dd8e>
13:54 cait1         ashimema[m]: please check bug 26403 again
13:54 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26403 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, BLOCKED , "Issue refund" is not fully translatable
13:54 cait1         i think if we don't fi the pull down is fine, but we need to fix the opac side of things
13:55 ashimema[m]   my advice would be to jump on the AV translations one..
13:55 cait1         no
13:55 ashimema[m]   I don't believe there's any reasonable way to translate them otherwise
13:56 cait1         we do with all the other things in that table
13:56 ashimema[m]   not with authorized values we don't ;)
13:56 cait1         i'll attach a screenshot
13:56 cait1         these are not authorised values
13:56 ashimema[m]   If you can show me a way to achieve it
13:56 cait1         or at elast they are hardcoded ones
13:56 ashimema[m]   Yes they are ;)
13:56 cait1         no they are not
13:56 cait1         i will show on the screenshot
13:56 ashimema[m]   payment_type is an AV
13:57 ashimema[m]   OK
13:57 cait1         check the screenshot, we are talking about different things
13:58 cait1         also, i put credit type because it was labelled as such, we need to check that too
13:58 cait1         if it's not a credit type - need to change the label
13:59 ashimema[m]   it's labeled 'Transaction type'
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14:00 ashimema[m]   right...
14:00 ashimema[m]   walk me through your process..
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14:11 ashimema[m]   OK.. the description of the bug in the test plan got me..
14:12 ashimema[m]   you talk about changing 'Transaction types' not being translatable.. those are taken from the payment types AV (which I think is a misnomer)
14:13 ashimema[m]   I would report the descriptions not being translatable as an entirely different bug
14:13 ashimema[m]   small and clear bugs cait ;)
14:13 ashimema[m]   PS.. I've submitted patches for some of your other accounts related translation issues already.
14:26 cait          ashimema[m]: we can split them, but i described both things as best as i could :)
14:27 cait          you just got stuck on the first part ;)
14:27 cait          i've been running out of time, but is aw the other patch and hope to test it soon
14:28 cait          and if the transactiont ypes are an AV, I can make them German
14:28 cait          that#s not a big issue
14:28 cait          not perfect, but not worse than others
14:29 ashimema[m]   it's a type
14:29 ashimema[m]   Refund vs REFUND
14:29 ashimema[m]   but.. the SQL constraint should have caught it..
14:29 ashimema[m]   grrr.. myself doesn't care about case!
14:31 cait          there there?
14:31 cait          sorry, I had like 4 meetings today, i am all confused
14:32 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26157: Correct two occurrences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de096ab20076b185e414dc6c0330f3370e171c49>
14:33 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #80: UNSTABLE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/80/
14:35 ashimema[m]   There you are
14:36 ashimema[m]   there's a queue of translations bugs fixed awaiting your SO (I reckon you could go for a straight QA on them once tested to be honest)
14:37 cait          I am a bit short of time right now :( I will do what I can
14:37 ashimema[m]   bug 26418, bug 26398, bug 22596
14:37 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26418 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , The "description" for REFUND accountlines is not translatable
14:37 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26398 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Credit and Debit types on creating a manual credits and manual invoices are not translatable
14:37 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22596 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, CLOSED FIXED, html TT filter is breaking items search with custom field
14:38 ashimema[m]   bug 25596 even
14:38 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25596 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , "Overpayment refund" is not translatable
14:39 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U16 build #60: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/60/
14:39 ashimema[m]   I'm also still waiting on bug 24381
14:39 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24381 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , ACCOUNT_CREDIT and ACCOUNT_DEBIT slip not printing information about paid fines/fees
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15:44 oleonard      ashimema[m] still around?
15:44 ashimema[m]   ish
15:44 ashimema[m]   fire away
15:45 oleonard      Bug 26039 adds some text which is wrapped in <span class="hidden">
15:45 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26039 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Accessibility: Shelf browser is not announced upon loading
15:45 oleonard      Is that supposed to be read by screen readers?
15:46 ashimema[m]   I believe so
15:46 ashimema[m]   ooh.. there's a typo in the text
15:46 ashimema[m]   I believe my screen reader read it..
15:46 oleonard      Okay I think I need to update it for BS4 (it isn't hidden currently)
15:46 ashimema[m]   but I'm not sure how consistently that works to be honest
15:47 ashimema[m]   oh.. interesting
15:52 oleonard      If you agree, I'm going to submit a patch that changes the "hidden" class to "sr-only," Bootstrap's class specifically for screen reader text.
15:53 oleonard      (and I'll correct the typo)
15:53 ashimema[m]   sounds perfect to me
15:53 ashimema[m]   thanks
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16:07 vfernandes    it's possible to speed up the XSLT processing of one XML record with more than 2000 items?
16:12 vfernandes    i'm aware of bug #23035
16:12 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23035 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Intranet search is slow if thousands of items are in the biblios shown in the search results
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16:20 reiveune      bye
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19:01 oleonard      dev meeting in an hour? Joubu cat ashimema[m] tuxayo ?
19:02 tuxayo        How do you known I'm here? :o
19:02 tuxayo        Indeed there is a meeting!
19:03 oleonard      tuxayo I noticed your name was on the agenda so I thought it would be worth pinging you :)
19:04 * oleonard    will be back
19:05 tuxayo        > your name was on the agenda
19:05 tuxayo        oh
19:06 tuxayo        Ok, it's homework I did in time this time :D
19:13 ashimema[m]   I did bits of the homework 😉
19:14 ashimema[m]   But I'm not likely to make the meeting this time.. family calls
20:05 tuxayo        Anyone for the meeting?
20:05 tuxayo        (I'm only half here, will try to follow)
20:05 davidnind     Any volunteers to Chair the development meeting? Anyone around to attend the developer meeting? :)
20:06 davidnind     hi tixayo
20:06 davidnind     hi tuxayo even!
20:06 tuxayo        o/
20:08 davidnind     I will start the meeting - if not enough attendees we can set the time for the next meeting...
20:09 davidnind     #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 September 2020
20:09 huginn        Meeting started Wed Sep  9 20:09:40 2020 UTC.  The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:09 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:09 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_september_2020'
20:10 davidnind     #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_9_September_2020
20:10 davidnind     #topic Introductions
20:10 aleisha_      #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ
20:10 davidnind     #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
20:10 henryb        #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
20:11 tuxayo        #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
20:12 tuxayo        Anyone else beside us 4 from these 2 opposites points of the globe?
20:13 davidnind     Not too many around, so I think it will be a quicker meeting this time!
20:13 tuxayo        ^^
20:13 davidnind     #topic Review of action points
20:14 davidnind     for those not here to speak to their action points, I will just add the actions again, so they automatically appear on the  next agenda
20:14 davidnind     hi everyone!
20:14 davidnind     #action ashimema is collecting notes about bug 15522 and is going to review and dig a bit more into the code (postponed)
20:14 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , New interface for revamped circulation rules
20:14 davidnind     tuxyao, your item is next
20:15 davidnind     thanks for adding an update to the agenda
20:15 tuxayo        tuxayo integrate the RMaint-handover-draft into the "release maintenance" wiki page (postponed)
20:15 tuxayo        It's done
20:15 tuxayo        is the place in the page ok? Release_maintenance#Handover_between_two_cycles
20:15 tuxayo        * https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance#Handover_between_two_cycles
20:16 tuxayo        I put it in the initial setup
20:16 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
20:16 tuxayo        So new RMaint will read this as a last step
20:17 davidnind     looks okay to me - can be built upon, maybe good to ask cait or ashimema when they around if they know of a better location
20:17 tuxayo        ok, I'm noting that
20:17 davidnind     #info tuxayo has added the RMaint-handover-draft into the "release maintenance" wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance#Handover_between_two_cycles
20:18 davidnind     thanks tuxayo - good to get something down while it is still fresh from your experience starting as a release maintainer
20:18 tuxayo        ^^
20:20 davidnind     my action point is still under action, will definitely get onto it by the next meeting!
20:20 davidnind     #action davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version  required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the  truth) (postponed)
20:21 davidnind     #info Joubu has opened a bug report for the QA script to catch input type number - see  https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools/-/issues/38 (there is a merge request attached)
20:22 davidnind     ashimema is not here today, so his item can be postponed as well
20:22 davidnind     #action ashimema to write a guideline to forbidding  the use of type "number"
20:23 davidnind     oops, I see I jumped over all the other agenda items!
20:23 davidnind     #topic Announcements
20:24 davidnind     Has anyone got any announcements to make?
20:24 oleonard      Joubu pushed Bug 20168 today! Yay!
20:24 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4
20:25 tuxayo        :D
20:25 oleonard      If anyone has issues rebasing patches on top of it I'd be happy to help
20:25 davidnind     that's awesome!
20:25 tuxayo        oleonard++
20:25 davidnind     oleonard++
20:25 henryb        oleonard++
20:26 davidnind     #info Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 now pushed, see bug 20168
20:27 tuxayo        🥳
20:27 davidnind     #info let oleonard know if you have issues rebasing patches, is happy to help
20:29 davidnind     #info koha-US's annual conference is on this month, and is online beginning on 22 September - see http://koha-us.org/learn/conferences/onlinetogether2020/
20:31 aleisha_      #info kohacon20's working together will still be going ahead in some shape or form, so keep tagging bugs as #academy for us to work on :)
20:31 davidnind     the third day is bug-a-palooza! day, so looks like a bit of bug squashing will be happening!
20:31 aleisha_      ( by 'working together' i mean the hackathon)
20:31 davidnind     thanks aleisha_
20:31 davidnind     will be good practice as well for Kohacon2020 in October
20:32 aleisha_      yeah absolutely!
20:32 davidnind     We have no release manager today, so will skip Joubu's update
20:33 davidnind     #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
20:33 davidnind     We have release maintainers today, fire away with your updates!
20:34 aleisha_      #info 19.11.x is going well. if anyone wants things backported, please don't direct message me - just add me to the CC list of the bug and leave a note on the bug report for me so i can look into it
20:34 oleonard      aleisha_++
20:35 davidnind     aleisha_++
20:36 davidnind     thanks aleisha_!
20:36 tuxayo        #info 19.05.x nothing unusual to report, will try to focus on more severe bugs. Too much backporting on oldoldstable isn't much worth it and is bad for translations when it's string changes.
20:36 davidnind     tuxayo++
20:37 davidnind     thanks tuxayo
20:37 aleisha_      yeah that's good tuxayo. maybe we need to add more info to the wiki on what the different branches should be looking to backport because oldoldstable isn't very much
20:37 aleisha_      just as a guide
20:37 aleisha_      tuxayo++
20:38 tuxayo        aleisha_: I documented my policy and stuff I was told:
20:38 tuxayo        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/User:Victor_Grousset_-_tuxayo/Release_maintenance_tips
20:38 aleisha_      that looks good, i think that kind of stuff is useful as a guide for everyone :) i have my own notes somewhere too
20:40 davidnind     agree, that looks really good, and should be added as a starter at least to the release maintainers role page - I'm happy to do that
20:41 davidnind     #action davidnind to add information about what to backport to the release maintainers role page (as a starting point for further notes and guidance)
20:42 davidnind     unless yo would like to tuxayo?
20:42 tuxayo        At least having RMaints who have notes to put them in the wiki and link them from somewhere. If there are resources for discussions and coordination, common guidelines would be even better.
20:42 aleisha_      thanks davidnind that would be awesome if you could do a starting point and maybe we add to it :)
20:43 davidnind     something easy I can do to help out
20:43 davidnind     #topic Updates from the QA team
20:43 tuxayo        So some basic stuff and then link to individual notes with more detailed/different POVs?
20:44 davidnind     that is as good a starting point as any
20:44 davidnind     I'm not sure anyone from the QA Team is around....
20:44 tuxayo        qa team?
20:44 wahanui       qa team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way
20:44 tuxayo        qateam?
20:45 davidnind     hehe, chocolate as well :)
20:45 tuxayo        #action tuxayo to collect notes (if any) from past&present RMaints about their backport policies.
20:46 henryb        qa_team?
20:46 wahanui       i think qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts
20:47 tuxayo        thanks henryb
20:47 davidnind     #info Send the QA Team cookies and chocolate for the great job they do (and oleonard for all the UI things)!
20:47 davidnind     thanks henryb!
20:47 kidclamp      #info Nick Clemens
20:47 wahanui       #info Nick Clemens is working on testing the circulations rules rewrite
20:47 tuxayo        it worked!
20:47 kidclamp      On my phone, not entirely about
20:48 tuxayo        kidclamp got lured by the cookie
20:48 davidnind     maybe kidclamp will need something stronger than virtual cookies or chocolate...
20:48 tuxayo        Why is wahanui using #info ?
20:49 tuxayo        wahanui forget #info Nick Clemens
20:49 wahanui       tuxayo: I forgot #info nick clemens
20:49 kidclamp      Our queue is small, but big works to test still, things progress
20:49 davidnind     thanks kidclamp
20:49 kidclamp      Sign off all the things ,:-)
20:50 davidnind     there was a call at last week's general IRC meeting for help getting the sign off queue down (now around 260....)
20:50 henryb        What is a good number for the sign off queue?
20:51 davidnind     #info Please help with sign offs (now around 260), so the QA Team can have some things to do :-D
20:51 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
20:51 kidclamp      As low as possible ideally
20:52 tuxayo        henryb: The fact that the QA queue is low means that the needs signoff one need to especially given time.
20:52 aleisha_      if we move recalls along then it can get out of the sign off queue :) thanks to oleonard and others for testing bug 19532
20:52 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha
20:52 davidnind     I think cait said it was unusually low, mainly because there are so many bugs waiting for sign-off... (and because the QA Team is doing such a great job!)
20:52 tuxayo        If QA is overwhelmed I guess it's more about priorities of bugs/features than overall numbers
20:53 oleonard      I'm trying to keep up with it aleisha_ ! Thanks for all the rebasing.
20:53 aleisha_      i appreciate it oleonard !
20:54 ashimema[m]   The dashboard colours the queues ;)
20:54 ashimema[m]   Hello
20:54 wahanui       que tal, ashimema[m]
20:54 * ashimema[m] pops in
20:54 davidnind     #info Help with sign-off for Recalls in Koha would be appreciated (bug# 19532)
20:54 davidnind     hi ashimema!
20:54 davidnind     #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
20:55 davidnind     I added an item about Zebra support, from the discussion that was on the mailing list
20:56 davidnind     will postpone to the next meeting I think, if still relevant
20:57 davidnind     Any other general development discussions anyone wishes to raise?
20:57 ashimema[m]   Long live zebra
20:58 davidnind     Zebra for Queen or King
20:59 davidnind     #topic Set time of next meeting
21:00 davidnind     Would normally be 14:00 a fortnight from now, 23 September 2020, 14:00 UTC
21:01 davidnind     Will be somewhere around the bug-a-palooza! day with the koha-US conference
21:02 davidnind     will follow the same pattern, and if it needs to be changed it can be changed
21:02 tuxayo        looks good
21:03 oleonard      +1
21:03 davidnind     #info Next meeting: 23 September 2020, 14:00 UTC
21:03 davidnind     #endmeeting
21:03 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Sep  9 21:03:29 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
21:03 huginn        Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_9_september_2020.2020-09-09-20.09.html
21:03 huginn        Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_9_september_2020.2020-09-09-20.09.txt
21:03 huginn        Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_9_september_2020.2020-09-09-20.09.log.html
21:03 oleonard      davidnind++
21:04 davidnind     thanks everyone!
21:04 aleisha_      thanks davidnind
21:05 tuxayo        davidnind++
21:05 henryb        thanks davidnind!
21:06 tuxayo        So, let's start the first step of the homework early.
21:06 tuxayo        aleisha_ , do you happen to have notes about your backporting policy? ^^
21:12 davidnind     I will leave you to it, off to my day job...
23:22 tuxayo        hayleyaround?
23:24 hayley        hola tuxayo
23:26 tuxayo        hayley do you happen to have some notes about your backporting policy when you were RMaint?
23:27 hayley        I don't have any notes sorry tuxayo, I just followed chris' advice. My policy was to only backport bug fixes, and sometimes minor enhancements if they didn't have any database changes
23:27 tuxayo        @later tell aleisha Rereading the meeting, you wrote «the different branches should be looking to backport because oldoldstable isn't very much» what did you mean?
23:27 huginn        tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
23:29 tuxayo        hayley: Now you have written notes, now I'm stealing them :P
23:29 tuxayo        BTW, for which branch? Because that very dependent on that.
23:29 hayley        heh not a problem!
23:29 hayley        I was on oldoldstable
23:30 hayley        aleisha is away sick today so you might not get a response until tomorrow
23:31 tuxayo        No worries it could be many days or even be dropped. Hope they get better.
23:34 tuxayo        hayley: «only backport bug fixes» did you by default tried to backport every bugfix regardless of the severity?
23:35 hayley        yep tuxayo, if it was very minor I would sometimes skip
23:45 tuxayo        hayley: thanks for your time. I was able to complete my notes about backporting:
23:45 tuxayo        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/User:Victor_Grousset_-_tuxayo/Release_maintenance_tips#Hayley_for_oldoldstable
23:50 hayley        heh nice!