Time Nick Message 23:05 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 23:05 dcook @later tell Joubu I think 9 September 2020, 20 UTC sounds good for AU. That would be 8am for us. Not bad at all. 22:40 alexbuckley *the discount feature 22:40 alexbuckley good to hear others interpreted it the same way :) 22:39 alexbuckley hey cait , thank you! 22:38 cait alexbuckley: great presentatoin :) I also had expected a percentage value when looking at the discount feature the first time 22:09 cait just finishing another go on the elastisearch tests fixes 22:09 kidclamp Hehe 22:07 cait commenting with the link on the bug 22:06 cait actually i might have just turned into a pumpkin, 5 minutes past :) 22:05 cait ? 22:05 cait i think better is tick with testing if that's ok 22:05 cait too late - almost midnight 22:05 kidclamp Or you can offer a follow-up :-) 22:05 kidclamp That looks reasonable! Will try tomorrow, thank you! 22:05 cait kidclamp: that looks quite promising? 22:05 cait For instance, \p{Uppercase} matches any single character with the Unicode "Uppercase" property, while \p{L} matches any character with a General_Category of "L" (letter) property 22:04 cait https://perldoc.perl.org/perlunicode.html 22:03 cait \p{Lu} or \p{Uppercase_Letter}: an uppercase letter that has a lowercase variant. 22:03 cait https://www.regular-expressions.info/unicode.html 22:03 cait it doesn't read too hard here - maybe worth trying out 22:02 cait "ou can match a single character belonging to the “letter†category with \p{L}." 22:02 cait better support there 22:01 cait kidclamp: but i think we need to look for perl + regex in this case 22:00 cait but i thought it was worth asking 22:00 cait yeah i coudl see that coming 21:59 kidclamp You aren't wrong cait, but I will say incremental improvements are better than nothing ;-) 21:58 kidclamp https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20690499/concrete-javascript-regex-for-accented-characters-diacritics 21:55 cait youare probably ont going to be happy withme for bringing up cyrillic 21:55 cait i had a question about elastic but -r seemed to have the desired effect 21:55 cait here :) 21:54 kidclamp Cait still around? 21:54 * kidclamp isn't far 21:39 cait kidclamp: still around? 21:10 huginn aleisha: The operation succeeded. 21:10 aleisha @later tell Joubu sorry bout that, hopefully caught the branch up now! 21:04 aleisha hello 20:47 rangi hi oleonard and cait 20:46 * cait waves to rangi 20:46 * oleonard waves to rangi 20:41 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 20:41 rangi @later tell joubu yes that is a good time 20:16 cait but... no luck with the tests 20:16 cait Could not create new session: Unable to connect to host 127.0.0.1 on port 7055 after 45000 ms. Firefox console output: 20:16 cait 1..2 20:16 cait kohadev-koha@kohadevbox:/home/vagrant/kohaclone$ perl t/db_dependent/selenium/authentication.t 20:16 cait ... selenium server appears to be running now 20:14 tcohen glad to hear 20:14 cait tcohen: i think i fixed it maybe 20:12 tcohen sorry, I cannot take a look now 20:08 cait did a complete provision and still no selenium 19:31 cait when i run the test i get: Selenium server did not return proper status at /usr/local/share/perl/5.24.1/Selenium/Remote/Driver.pm line 543. 19:30 cait in user.yml selenium is already set to true 19:30 cait can you help maybe? 19:30 tcohen yes 19:30 cait tcohen: around maybe? 19:29 cait [1]+ Exit 1 Xvfb :1 -screen 0 1024x768x24 > /dev/null 2>&1 19:29 cait [1] 11832 19:29 cait start_selenium -v 19:29 cait hm i am trying to run selenium tests on kohadevbox and not sure what is wrong but hte selenium server doesn't seem to start? 19:23 cait it#s not much better in the -german translation 19:23 cait yeah 19:14 caroline I was looking at my things and going "grr" this doesn't make any sense!" then I go to bz and I see I reported the bug, hehe seems it's not the first time I've run into this 19:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23981 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Inconsistencies with the different prices 19:13 caroline if you need help with your prices, you can look at bug 23981 to see what is used where 18:59 cait there are a few german ones, but not that many i think 18:56 caroline we have a lot of small ils companies whose market is only quebec 18:56 caroline yeah, they're mostly here in Quebec and a little bit in france 18:56 cait hope it works all out! 18:55 cait hm never heard around here 18:55 caroline Portfolio 18:55 cait can you share the system name? 18:55 cait ! 18:55 cait ugh1 18:54 caroline old system has 19 fields for prices and taxes and things, Koha has 18... that's so many! 18:52 caroline yeah, I don't think they arefilled in my test db either. but I needed to know in case data from the old system should go in there 18:51 cait if you look at new orders they shoudl not be filled 18:51 cait but i don't think you need to use them 18:50 cait i feel you... i need to continue with that tomorrow 18:49 caroline acq are so complicated... (I'm trying to map existing data from another system to koha) just trying to figure out what all the different prices are and how they match, ugh 18:48 cait hte was the tax rewriter 18:48 cait Joubu would know i think 18:48 cait hm ineresting 18:48 caroline it's still in the schema though http://schema.koha-community.org/20_05/tables/aqorders.html 18:48 cait all ours have these i think ormost 18:48 caroline I just update my database, I never create new ones 18:48 cait but when you look at a newish database/installatoin they should not be there 18:48 caroline ah ok, then that's probably why 18:48 cait that had the calculations remodel - safety measuere 18:47 cait i think we kept them for existing 18:47 cait they were used to backup values when the tax calculation was changed 18:47 caroline is it in update_database to remove them,? 18:47 wshealy Thanks everybody, I'll be back --- far cry from loading wordpress - need a break 18:47 cait new databases shouldn't have those 18:47 tcohen but changing the underlying database structure requires much more efforts 18:47 cait caroline: _bak = backup 18:47 caroline here and in my db http://schema.koha-community.org/20_05/tables/aqorders.html 18:46 tcohen we try to make the API expose what we belive is a good model for our data 18:46 tcohen where do you see them? 18:46 caroline in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Acquisitions_orders_endpoint_RFC it says they were removed, but I still see them 18:45 wshealy yep don't know why...Debug apache not my strong suit 18:45 caroline anyone know what tax_rate_bak and tax_value_bak are for in aqorders? 18:45 cait the staff side doesn't have a meintenance message 18:45 cait then it's probably the opac you are seeing 18:45 wshealy Tired, taking a break 18:36 wshealy Pretty 18:27 wizzyrea ^ it would be helpful to know if that's a "pretty" maintenance page, or a very texty looking maintenance page. 18:26 wizzyrea no brackets 18:26 wizzyrea wshealy, sudo koha-enable <whatever you called your instance> 17:52 wshealy wish there was someone to talk too. doing this alone from home is no fun 17:52 wshealy Thanks 17:51 oleonard wshealy I'm not sure what to suggest but it sounds like an Apache config problem. You're getting served the OPAC at both addresses. 17:21 wshealy mjt, thanks...I think I have come to the end of Koha on Debian and now have to figure out why I'm getting offline and not install login 17:17 wshealy Help, instead off the install login I'm getting offline for maintenance on both the itra and cat sides 16:43 wshealy Progress, now I'm down for maintenance. Just got to figure out how to get to koha install and onboard 16:32 wshealy yes 16:24 mtj wshealy: ive been hacking on koha for a while... have no hair and its 4am 16:21 oleonard Hi again 16:21 mtj $ apachectl restart 16:21 mtj $ sudo a2dissite 000-default 16:18 mtj wshealy: this install guide is good -> https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 16:18 mtj hi wshealy, have you restarted apache after your apache changes? 16:01 wshealy I have move on to challenges with library.conf in apache which koha create generated. It has no document root and I have no clue where it is finding the default apache page instead of koha intranet. I deleted apache default page from the default directory but it still finds it. 15:57 wshealy Did anyone else loose hair and sleep the first time they installed Koha? 15:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #397: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/397/ 15:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #373: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/373/ 15:24 reiveune bye 15:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #52: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/52/ 15:13 tcohen I agree with moving forward with 20271, I'm just mentioning this because it is one of those things that worry us, service providers. All the work that will need to be done after this changes 15:11 tcohen and takes the opportunity to alter the column names following the currently agreed guidelines 15:11 tcohen because it focuses on preserving reports 15:10 tcohen I love the approach we took for the holds table 15:10 kohaputti Other "pro" for the revision based approach was easy revertability of commits if needed, with follow-ups it seems really hard since you don't know which one of them you need to revert until you go trough all of them. 15:07 cait2 got to sign off work for now - bbl probably 15:07 cait2 but that truly is the scariest bug we have right now 15:07 cait2 i guess there are pros and cons to both approaches 15:07 cait2 the commit messages n the follow up shoudl have some info too ideally 15:06 kohaputti cait2, you have the discussion in bugzilla where you point out any mistakes found. 15:06 cait2 i would have loved for this to be a bit more granular... like do one table after theother, but i was told it was not good to do that because it all touches the same code 15:05 kohaputti like "Merge deleted_items to items table", second one "Merge deleted_biblioitems to biblioitems", etc. 15:05 cait2 it gives clues on where to look next 15:05 cait2 but even there... I find it worthwhile to see what was fixed how and where of the bugs found 15:04 kohaputti one patch per logical change 15:04 cait2 yes.... but one big patch? 15:03 kohaputti the bug Joubu linked in QA team email, https://gitlab.com/joubu/Koha/commits/bug_20271, would benefit of the revision, v1, v2, v3, etc. based patches 15:03 cait2 but yes, i use git diff HEAD~2.. or so 15:03 cait2 it depends on the patch 15:02 kohaputti cait2, if you review all together you need to use something like git diff HEAD~X..HEAD for that and it misses the inteded story in the commit messages, you only get what is the story in the code which might be accidentally wrong 15:01 kohaputti cait2, you probably understood right, here you have to do the review again every time 15:01 cait2 i don't usually reveiw one after the other, but the patches altogether, just checking in the second, third... round the follow-ups for requested changes specifically 15:00 cait2 but maybe i am misudnerstanding how it would work your way 14:59 cait2 that's why i really like follow-up patches 14:59 cait2 i don't want to review all the code again when i just want to know how they fixed the bug i found 14:59 kohaputti cait2, no, the commit message should be about the patch content 14:59 cait2 but not sure what revision based would mean 14:59 kohaputti just saying this aloud again in case some other people join my single person movement towards revision based patches :P 14:59 cait2 hm the first commit shoudl have the full story 14:58 kohaputti better way and adding note on the commit about what was changed since previous revision so everybody remembers what is fixed already. 14:58 kohaputti I just noticed Joubu's QA team email regarding those big bugs needing QA. I just wanted to remind you all what I said earlier about that I have not found the follow-up patch style of fixes good for doing QA quickly. It takes so much longer for me to get into knowing the true intention of the commits when I have to switch between multiple commits messages instead of reading one story at a time. I think doing revision of patches is 14:58 cait2 so multiple reasons 14:58 cait2 also accessibility, which ashimema's report focuses on 14:57 cait2 see also the bug i linked, we had tons of troubel with it in context of I18N 14:57 cait2 Joubu: i wrote "New" proposing a new guideline so can tell people to stop using number 14:56 cait2 ugh sorry, phone call 14:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #73: UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/73/ 14:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #60: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/60/ 14:50 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2020.2020-08-26-14.00.log.html 14:50 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2020.2020-08-26-14.00.txt 14:50 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_26_august_2020.2020-08-26-14.00.html 14:50 huginn Meeting ended Wed Aug 26 14:50:13 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 14:50 Joubu #endmeeting 14:50 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:50 Joubu @later tell rangi the next dev meeting is scheduled for 9 September 2020, 20 UTC. Can you confirm 20 UTC is good for nz/au? 14:49 Joubu #info Next meeting: 9 September 2020, 20 UTC 14:48 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting 14:48 Joubu anything more, anyone? 14:48 Joubu it said "review of the coding guideline" but there is no guideline 14:48 Joubu and we are good I think 14:47 Joubu #action ashimema write a guideline to forbid usage for type "number" 14:47 marcelr could be coming from the accessiblity community 14:47 Joubu ok, Martin is on vacation so... 14:46 Joubu now I have to admit I cannot remember what was the arguments 14:46 marcelr yes, it makes sense 14:46 Joubu I read the .gov.uk link when ashimema[m] sent it and it made sense 14:45 Joubu #action Joubu open a bug report for the QA script to catch input type number 14:45 marcelr 20 14:45 marcelr 10-15 files 14:44 Joubu twice last week ;) 14:44 Joubu it happens 14:44 marcelr how often did we use that ? 14:44 Joubu was the idea to vote or propose a guideline at the next meeting? 14:44 Joubu cait2: did you add that? 14:43 huginn Bug 17098: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Validation problems with form field type "number" (decimal separator) 14:43 Joubu #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17098 14:43 Joubu #link https://technology.blog.gov.uk/2020/02/24/why-the-gov-uk-design-system-team-changed-the-input-type-for-numbers/ 14:42 Joubu #info Don't use input type "number" in favor of using a pattern check instead 14:42 marcelr kidclamp: there is even an old report asking for callnumbers on all statuses 14:42 Joubu we have something! 14:42 Joubu #topic Review of coding guidelines 14:42 Joubu ok moving on 14:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21260 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improve the Availability line of OPAC XSLT search results 14:42 Joubu #info Please have a look at bug 21260 (Improve the Availability line of OPAC XSLT search results) 14:41 Joubu #info 14:41 marcelr good observation 14:41 kidclamp rather hide dsipaly than take it away entirely 14:40 kidclamp I only looked quickly marcel, but it seems you remove some info from non-available items, I think that should be optional 14:40 Joubu I think a before vs after could help 14:40 Joubu ok 14:40 marcelr we'll see 14:40 Joubu or maybe it's the test plan from comment 8 14:39 Joubu even for us, developers 14:39 Joubu the bad old ones, and how your patch will fix them 14:39 Joubu I think it could help to list the different situations 14:38 marcelr and the opposite around 14:38 Joubu haha, true 14:38 marcelr good developers cannot sell 14:38 Joubu it depends on how you sell it :) 14:38 marcelr my impression is that mailing the regular ML does not trigger signoffs 14:37 Joubu maybe you could detail the gain it will bring, and ask the general ML for a signoff? 14:37 marcelr good question; an old problem 14:37 Joubu marcelr: how do you want to promote them? 14:36 Joubu not really 14:35 cait2 always have refused to try and customize that 14:35 Joubu it's not about xslt, but availability 14:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26139 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , 'Place hold' button isn't hidden in all detail views if there are no items available for loan 14:35 Joubu I wrote that few weeks ago and pushed yesterday, maybe related? bug 26139 14:35 cait2 also quite a bit of configuration options at play whne i remember correctly 14:34 marcelr with keys and generate etc 14:34 marcelr some nasty xslt there 14:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26302 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , OPAC XSLT Results: List variable number of itemcallnumbers 14:34 marcelr bug 26302 14:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21260 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improve the Availability line of OPAC XSLT search results 14:34 marcelr bug 21260 14:34 Joubu marcelr: bug numbers? 14:33 cait2 tricky area, haven't read yet 14:33 marcelr always candidates for In Discussion 14:32 marcelr i have two patches underway dealing with availability on opac xslt results 14:32 cait2 the trend is to minimalistic 14:32 cait2 maybe just a reminder: please write nice commit messages 14:32 cait2 not right now 14:31 wahanui ideas are good! 14:31 Joubu ideas? 14:31 Joubu anyone, an additional discussion? 14:31 Joubu #subtopic 14:31 Joubu subtopic is missing 14:31 Joubu indeed, I mixed info and topic 14:31 Joubu I am slow you now 14:31 Joubu ha cait2, got it now :) 14:30 Joubu #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:30 Joubu #action davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth): update - still working on this (postponed) 14:30 Joubu and I don't have news from this 14:30 Joubu #info davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth): update - still working on this (postponed) 14:29 Joubu #action tuxayo integrate the RMaint-handover-draft into the "release maintenance" wiki page (postponed) 14:29 Joubu I talked with him, he will get back to it soon 14:29 Joubu #info tuxayo integrate the RMaint-handover-draft into the "release maintenance" wiki page (postponed) 14:29 cait2 can we have the QA tools look for it as well please? 14:29 cait2 i was expecting it on top 14:29 cait2 oh sorry, i missed that 14:28 Joubu there is a link to https://www.effectiveperlprogramming.com/2020/06/turn-off-indirect-object-notation/ 14:28 cait2 as a reminder of why 14:28 Joubu let's continue the discussion on the bug report if you want to 14:28 cait2 maybe we could add a link to the perl 7 thing to the cuideline 14:27 Joubu I would prefer a fix all at once patch 14:27 tcohen we could make a rule: you touch a file with indirect calls, you're oblighed to fix it inline 14:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26303 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Preparing for Perl 7 14:27 Joubu bug 26303 14:27 Joubu I opened a perl 7 omnibus, in case we have other things to deal with 14:27 tcohen let's fix it 14:27 marcelr just making the difference 14:26 Joubu :) 14:26 marcelr well not for me, it is obvious better 14:26 Joubu should we? 14:26 Joubu I did not plan to vote on that 14:26 marcelr but we vote for the guideline not for the bulk change 14:25 cait2 ah, deprecation? 14:24 cait2 is it just style or does/will have it an effect? 14:24 marcelr perl 7 14:24 Joubu we will certainly have to do it anyway 14:24 Joubu better now than later IMO 14:23 Joubu most of the occurrences are new CGI 14:23 marcelr conflicts-- 14:23 Joubu easy conflicts :) 14:23 marcelr rebase party? 14:23 Joubu the patch is there already 14:23 Joubu yes we are 14:23 marcelr We are not going to change all occurrences ? 14:23 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25898 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Prohibit indirect object notation 14:23 Joubu #info there is a bug ready for testing: Bug 25898 - Prohibit indirect object notation 14:22 Joubu I don't think we need to vote on it 14:22 Joubu #info A guideline for remove indirect object notation has been written and available at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL29:_Direct_Object_Notation 14:22 cait2 wrong tag? 14:21 Joubu #topic ashimema to propose a guideline ragarding using direction object notation rather than indirect object notation (postponed) 14:21 Joubu #action ashimema is collecting notes about bug 15522 and is going to review and dig a bit more into the code (postponed) 14:21 Joubu still in progress 14:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New interface for revamped circulation rules 14:21 Joubu #topic ashimema is collecting notes about bug 15522 and is going to review and dig a bit more into the code 14:21 Joubu #info ashimema signed off 20168, thanks! 14:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 14:21 cait2 bug 20168 14:21 Joubu It's done! 14:21 Joubu #topic ashimema is going to add his stamp on 20168 14:20 Joubu #topic Actions from last meeting 14:20 Joubu #Actions from last meeting 14:20 Joubu ok, moving on 14:20 Joubu so it's not only opac-user that needs to be tested 14:20 Joubu cait2: I cheat, lot of changes from the patch were not advertised 14:19 cait2 ah, it seemed to work well on staff side, more issues found? have to check on that later 14:19 Joubu kidclamp is going to ask some Bywater educators, but additional feedback would be great 14:19 cait2 i probably forgot something, but that's it from me basically :) 14:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25758 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Items scheduled for automatic renewal do not show that they will not renew due to a hold 14:19 Joubu Also, I need some QA help on bug 25758, more brainstorming. 14:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #879: ABORTED in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/879/ 14:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #335: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/335/ 14:18 cait2 so if someone could take care of that, i am happy to test in the GUI 14:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25261 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Multiple parts handling - confirmation alert 14:18 cait2 note: bug 25261 also has a sip component 14:18 cait2 that would be great 14:18 Joubu thanks kohaputti! 14:17 kohaputti cait2, I can help with SIP 14:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26250 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Test suite does not pass if Elastic is used as search engine 14:17 cait2 bug 26250 14:17 Joubu Who around is familiar with SIP? 14:17 cait2 also someone else running the Elasticsearch.t and see if they can reproduce my failure 14:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25541 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to prevent checkin via SIP of items with holds 14:17 Joubu bug 25541 14:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add option to SIP2 config to send arbitrary item field in CR instead of collection code 14:17 Joubu bug 21979 14:16 cait2 and the aformentioned big 3 14:16 cait2 i especially woudl be happy about help with SIP patches 14:16 cait2 and some will jump back into the queue when their devs return from holidays probably :) 14:16 marcelr and how about In discussion :) 14:15 cait2 yes, but some complicated things remain, i hope to get your help with that 14:15 Joubu FQA is pretty bad :D 14:15 cait2 #info QA queue is in pretty good shape right now, but needs work to stay that way, big patches waiting 14:15 Joubu #info Stable releases are coming soon! 14:15 marcelr she cut the queue remarkably 14:15 cait2 oh oops 14:15 marcelr just in time cait2 14:15 Joubu you are actually right in time for your topic :) 14:14 Joubu #topic Updates from the QA team 14:14 Joubu I don't think we have any 14:14 Joubu #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:14 cait2 that's a first - what did you sign me up for already? 14:14 Joubu :D 14:14 Joubu for being late 14:14 Joubu cait++ 14:13 cait2 sorry for being a little late 14:13 tcohen I can take a look at tests, just in case 14:13 tcohen ok, that concern is covered 14:13 Joubu tcohen: I was thinking about it, and had to drop the idea somehwere, nothing else 14:13 cait2 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:13 Joubu the task queue opens door for a lot of great feature, and will fix lot of the long standing issues we have with the background jobs 14:12 tcohen Joubu about the holds table, does your message imply that you expect a regression test for that? 14:12 Joubu you will like it marcelr! 14:12 marcelr i try the task q friday? 14:12 tcohen Nick is on it 14:12 Joubu I don't want to bypass QA for such big changes 14:12 tcohen haha 14:12 tcohen yeah, push it 14:12 Joubu and I will certainly drop some of them (tired of rebasing them) 14:11 marcelr push the merge one now 14:11 Joubu at least not for 20.11 if not ready very soon 14:11 Joubu I don't have anything to say apart that it's now or... maybe never 14:10 Joubu yep, thanks kidclamp! 14:10 tcohen I'm looking at the bootstrap one and communicating with oleonard about the things I find 14:10 Joubu there are 2 major bugs that are waiting for too long already 14:10 Joubu You must watch regularly and put your attention on https://frama.link/koha_bz_RM_priority 14:10 kidclamp i am going over the merge 14:10 Joubu I am harassing the QA team to have them on the^Mmy 3 top priority bugs: task queue, merge deleted* table, and the move to bootstrap 4 14:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1416: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1416/ 14:09 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_26_August_2020 14:09 Joubu I forgot: 14:09 Joubu #topic Update from the Release Manager 20.11 14:09 tcohen shortcuts 14:09 Joubu something else? 14:09 Joubu k 14:09 Joubu #info Tomas is going to adjust the Koha2Koha ILL backend to have it into Koha core 14:09 tcohen there are some bad design decisions on the ILL stuff, that prevent it 14:08 Joubu why translatibility? 14:08 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #80: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/80/ 14:08 tcohen on the current layout 14:07 tcohen once I have it working I'll file a bug and submit the patches, the challenges are translatability 14:07 tcohen I'm working on merging the Koha2Koha ILL backend into core Koha 14:07 Joubu #info Marcel has patches waiting for signoff! 14:07 tcohen I have another announcement 14:06 marcelr every bug that i submitted :) 14:06 Joubu I have 3, but I have a dedicated section for that ;) 14:06 Joubu marcelr, do you have one? 14:06 Joubu #info the SMTP configuration admin page feature is ready for testing! bug 22343 14:05 tcohen kudos to khall, ashimema[m] and JOubu for QA feedback 14:05 marcelr smtp again 14:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22343 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add SMTP configuration options to Administration 14:05 tcohen Bug 22343 is ready for testing 14:05 marcelr good idea 14:04 tcohen he 14:04 tcohen can we self promote our devs? 14:04 Joubu Anyone have something? 14:04 Joubu #topic Announcements 14:02 kohaputti #info Joonas Kylmälä 14:02 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy 14:02 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:02 wahanui lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!! 14:02 Joubu rmaints? 14:01 wahanui qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts 14:01 Joubu qa_team? 14:01 Joubu qa_team 14:01 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:00 Joubu #topic Introductions 14:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_august_2020' 14:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Aug 26 14:00:54 2020 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00 Joubu #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 August 2020 13:55 tcohen (y) 13:49 Joubu dev meeting in 10min! 13:41 Joubu thanks gmcharlt for having a look! 13:39 gmcharlt Joubu: I checked the wiki server, don't see any immediately reason for downtime; will chalk it up to a glitch for now 13:36 magnuse Joubu++ 13:28 cait2 Joubu++ 13:25 tcohen Joubu++ 13:25 tcohen JOubu++ 13:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25129: Update German (de-DE) web installer sample files for 20.05 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef3b7eedc0efc726329f2f608c0f676e93fd5566> 13:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23653: use local copy of swagger v2 schema <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0a4bad3fccb67b9459b0e245d4f9647c2b3b428> 13:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26013: Fix formatting for dates on "Manage stage MARC records" page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e97dbca2983163e1ffc19fc435ac8bea6550c82> 13:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26014: Add publication year and edition to Z39.50 results in acquisition <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d51b74ff22384fb302ba2796b08465defa59aff> 13:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26175: Remove warn if undefined barcode in misc/export_records.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d9ab04a9391a4960a6155d983fdf839467bfdf4> 13:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23653: Remove uneeded cond test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58a30f1b44c700f461a9f5028dfab2d7f7048375> 13:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23653: Add license information in about.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e4eb6cbd19342cb1b64c00175d646b29558fe71> 13:18 tcohen cool 13:18 oleonard I have to leave for a while but I'll be back to look again tcohen 13:07 tcohen and things are going smooth so far 13:07 tcohen and yarn add bootstrap 13:07 tcohen I reset the package.json file to current master 13:07 tcohen it actually is 13:07 oleonard tcohen as far as I know it is 13:03 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 13:03 tcohen @later tell oleonard is it ok to have bootstrap@4.5.2 on your patchset? 12:52 Joubu back to normal now, sorry for the noise 12:51 Joubu but dying 12:51 Joubu hum not "down" actually 12:51 Joubu gmcharlt maybe? 12:51 Joubu so cannot see who is hosting it 12:50 Joubu wiki is down 12:11 marcelr you were not leaving ? 12:10 oleonard You arrived just in time :) 12:09 marcelr oleonard++ # signoff 12:09 marcelr hi #koha 11:59 janncis__ yes, I double checked it 11:59 magnuse janncis__: do you have a cardnumber in your data? 11:50 janncis__ that error is for all entries 11:49 oleonard o/ 11:47 janncis__ use of uninitialized values $borrowers{"cardnumber"} in string eq at Koha/Patrons/Import.pm line 137 11:47 janncis__ hello I get this wierd error while importing patrons wia import_patrons.pm 11:45 magnuse do we have an example of a koha with lots of arabic records? someone asked about it on facebook... 11:17 tcohen thanks for the feedback 11:17 tcohen I will check 11:15 Joubu or you are cheating :D 11:15 Joubu we should not get more warnings 11:14 tcohen I'm not sure that still stands as there's no unique constraint on the smtp_servers.library_id column 11:14 tcohen I think it was because some exceptions propagated and raised more warnings that I needed to test 11:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22343 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add SMTP configuration options to Administration 11:13 tcohen Joubu about your bug 22343 question 11:10 Joubu :) 11:10 Joubu I have a one line in my history with cd + down + up. It works great : 11:10 tcohen I have it set in my .bashrc 11:09 tcohen ku + ku is a gret combo 11:09 Joubu and it does not set the koha-image, so it's not super useful imo 11:09 tcohen kd is handy to start over 11:09 Joubu tcohen: ctrl-R is my friend 11:05 cait2 back 11:05 tcohen good morning 11:05 tcohen :P 11:04 tcohen why self punishment? 10:54 Joubu I don't use them either 10:52 kohaputti Joubu, I understand why it is not set for me, I run it using the instruction in # Manually of README, instead of those fancy scripts/aliases :) 10:49 Joubu should do it 10:49 Joubu export KOHA_INTRANET_URL=http://koha:8081 10:49 kohaputti it's probably few months since I downloaded ktd, I will fetch the latest version and let you know 10:48 Joubu are you on ktd's master? 10:48 Joubu that's not expected 10:48 kohaputti hmm, the kohadev user also has it empty 10:46 kohaputti and then I ran prove after that 10:46 kohaputti to get to the container 10:46 kohaputti I used docker exec -it koha_koha_1 bash 10:46 kohaputti empty 10:46 Joubu kohaputti: 26015 - what's the value of $KOHA_INTRANET_URL env var? 09:54 cait2 gone for lunch, available a bit later 09:54 cait2 probably another interface one i linked that is already pushed, I will remove the link 09:53 cait2 i don't think there is a rela depedency 09:53 cait2 Joubu: looks like one of my usual typos :( 09:39 hibbes Hello! We are trying to migrate our SchoolLibrary to koha. We imported all Books with MarcEdit and they appear in Koha. But we need to generate one item for every book (over fivethousend). But we dont't know how. :-/. 09:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , New permission to edit "system-level" news items 09:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , More capitalization and terminology fixes for system preferences 09:31 Joubu cait2: bug 25630 depends on bug 24399, is that correct? 09:17 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:17 Joubu @later tell kidclamp please add bug 25758 on top of your list 08:07 Joubu yes it's back to normal now 08:06 kohaputti Joubu, seems to work alright for me, browsing and searching 07:56 Joubu is bugzilla super slow, or it's just me? 07:45 magnuse have fun, dcook 07:45 dcook Hope you all have a good day :D 07:45 dcook Ok really going now 07:44 dcook I thought it was good timing talking about dropping support for IE 11 lately since Microsoft itself plans to drop support in 3 months heh 07:43 dcook No no one has time for that.. 07:43 dcook But hopefully I already fixed all the things O_O 07:42 magnuse noooo, stay a little longer and fix all the things! 07:41 dcook On that note, I should really go home heh 07:41 dcook No worries :D 07:41 magnuse \o/ 07:40 kohaputti dcook, yeah, I see it now, thanks for the explanation 07:37 dcook "appenders are not defined for categories"* 07:37 dcook ack 07:37 dcook "dcook, is there some way to define a appender for category and not use it?" appenders are defined for categories. Appenders are defined independently and then attached to categories. 07:37 kohaputti yes I think so too 07:36 dcook "Log::Log4perl->get_logger('plack-opac')->has_appenders " is what I used in the patch and that should be solid 07:35 kohaputti dcook, is there some way to define a appender for category and not use it? 07:34 kohaputti it only returns true if plack-opac category has appenders 07:34 kohaputti Log::Log4perl->get_logger('plack-opac')->has_appenders 07:34 kohaputti dcook, hmm, I thought this checked the appenders for the given category so I don't see the issue 07:33 dcook I think the patch I used in the end is probably the best a person can do, although I'm open to alternatives 07:32 dcook So you could have PLACKOPAC defined as an appender, but if no category uses it, you're still screwed 07:32 dcook But the problem with that is that the middleware uses categories 07:32 kohaputti dcook, reading https://metacpan.org/pod/Log::Log4perl#Appenders appender seems the right place to check actually, it decides whether something is outputted from log4perl according to that documention 07:31 Joubu yes, that's exactly what we need 07:31 dcook They could actually be appenders that output to STDERR which puts them in plack-error.log still 07:31 dcook If there are Log4perl appenders (whatever they are), then use the middleware to use those appenders for the output 07:30 dcook If there isn't, don't use the middleware, so just output to stderr which daemon puts into plack-error.log 07:30 dcook Basically, my patch checks to see if there is any log appenders 07:30 dcook I think so 07:29 kohaputti Joubu, dcook so the best we can do I think is that we check there is some kind of configuration for these log4perl logging categories, and then inform about those issues in about.pl page (which as I commented should be another bug report) 07:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26301 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Self-checkout blocks renew for overdues even when OverduesBlockRenewing allows it in opac-user.pl 07:28 * dcook almost has a fix for bug 26301 07:27 Joubu yes, sysadmins can do whatever they want :) 07:26 dcook The sysadmin could just turn off Koha :p 07:25 kohaputti we have no way to prevent that :D 07:25 kohaputti Joubu, the sysadmin could make thing log to /dev/null if they wanted 07:25 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16357 normal, P3, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Plack error logs are not time stamped 07:25 Joubu kohaputti: on bug 16357, "To truly prevent any issues we probably would have to hard code the log4perl.conf". What do you mean? 07:21 dcook Just changed it to master :p 07:20 dcook Makes sense 07:15 cait2 https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_activity.cgi?id=26231 it was filed 19.11 - no changes since initial filing 07:14 dcook Then didn't think to unset it after writing and testing against master 07:14 dcook I probably set it to 19.11 on my first prod test 07:14 cait2 the history mmight tell, but often people set the version they tested with 07:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26231 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , bulkmarcimport.pl does not import authority if it already has a 001 field 07:13 cait2 bug 26231 07:10 dcook Joubu: Hmm not sure. I see that it says 19.11 but I'm not sure why. Not sure if me or someone else set that. I might've set it by accident, as I've seen it in 19.11 although I checked in master so it should be master too... 07:04 Joubu about 26231 - only for 19.11? 07:04 Joubu ha, that's somethign else then :) 07:04 dcook Trying to write a patch before finishing up for the day.. 07:04 * dcook shrugs 07:03 dcook Often ends up slowing down network traffic so maybe that's the culprit.. 07:03 dcook Very irritating 07:03 dcook A little 3G modem likes injecting a 2nd default route into my route table 07:03 dcook I do have an odd networking setup 07:03 dcook Hmm weird 07:03 Joubu I do that several times per day and no crashes 07:02 dcook allo alex_a, reiveune (and obviously Joubu) 07:02 reiveune hello 07:02 Joubu hum no, the confirmation is even without -e 07:02 dcook Joubu: I think in my case it's usually when attaching multiple patches 07:02 Joubu dcook: git-bz crashes with a timeout if you wait too long before the confirmation (with -e). Otherwise it never crashes for me 06:59 alex_a Bonjour 05:13 dcook Wow checkauth() is 800+ lines of code...