Time  Nick          Message
21:09 aleisha       sorry team i keep missing the meetings D: though 2am is a bit tricky for me
20:27 wizzycray     i'm getting near the frayed end of my rope
20:27 wizzycray     hi friends, does anybody have thoughts about z3950 closing the connection just after an initrequest?
20:08 cait          looks like it, oops :)
20:04 cait          hm did i miss general meeting today?
18:09 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #59: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/59/
17:37 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U16 build #38: STILL UNSTABLE in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/38/
17:11 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10 build #320: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/320/
17:08 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #46: NOW UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/46/
17:04 * ashimema    just weird through a bunch of those ghosts doing SO.
16:59 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U18 build #862: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/862/
16:43 tuxayo        Joubu++
16:43 tuxayo        «I have "rescued" (chased ghosts) in the last couple of days»
16:43 reiveune      bye
16:42 tuxayo        Shoots, I missed the meeting.
16:38 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #383: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/383/
16:35 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #55: FAILURE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/55/
16:33 cait          thx for the patches
16:32 oleonard      cait, yes thank you for the QA
16:26 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #360: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/360/
16:24 Guest4980     hello everyone today ask how to know the name of the instance , for which it serves you use the following command "sudo koha-list", thank you
16:23 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U20 build #63: UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/63/
16:20 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1401: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1401/
16:19 cait          thx :)
16:18 margaret      Have a fun time with your Dad! Enjoy some rest and relaxation.
16:17 cait          margaret: hope things quiet down for you a bit
16:15 cait          oleonard: openlibrary?
16:14 cait          margaret: i know how you feel - glad to get a break
16:14 cait          margaret: staying at my dad's for a while :)
15:51 margaret      What are your plans for that two week vacation Cait? My week's been a bit crazy; support tickets can't stop, won't stop, etc.
15:45 oleonard      cait++
15:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26043: Fix random failure from Holds.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=80a611797bf67b263b6b84a6e931833ea336b6a5>
15:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26133: Remove GetMarc* calls in detail.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c190388ae1b69889e28c2dae80e0d9ea9baff1a>
15:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26133: Remove GetMarcHosts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88ecaa54cdfec5d35091237821097877b0edb4eb>
15:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26138: Make Koha::Plugins->call return consistent value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88506d7bb6958a49969f737a8bc41afa8536c554>
15:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26141: Remove duplicated code from search.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a51a4f117d13739687f7be47d56cae0352914901>
15:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26143: The API is always paginated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=61e8dc8c7d489329c27aca3b6b10137c289161cb>
15:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26143: Regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d20bc39d759bc9321b1b7accb952f90351a14caa>
15:36 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 26143: Make the API handle per_page=-1 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4cae99f7ec76e40a57e4066e088b9b01caed744>
15:25 cait          how is your day?
15:24 cait          i am on vacation for 2 weeks, it's day 3 :)
15:23 cait          ah, it's good
15:23 cait          :)
15:23 margaret      How's your day going?
15:23 margaret      Hi Cait!
15:23 * cait        waves at margaret
15:08 cait          usually at least - you could probably mess with that somehow :)
15:07 cait          if you look at memcached - the namespace is something like koha_instance
15:07 cait          juan: you can see it on the About page
15:06 juan          Good morning, I need to know the name of the koha instance, how can I know? Thank you all.
14:59 fridolin      I see you have fun, sorry i'm not available ;)
14:49 ashimema      lol
14:48 ashimema      oops
14:48 Joubu         ashimema: your smiley got caught :D
14:48 Joubu         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_2_September_2020
14:44 ashimema      yup
14:44 ashimema      ;)
14:42 oleonard      Okay yeah I see that too. I hope you're keeping a list to add the the bug, that's the best way for me to address it
14:41 ashimema      I couldn't think of a quicker/easier way to share it.
14:41 ashimema      lol
14:41 oleonard      Oh I just needed to use a browser that didn't have a bunch of addons blocking Google's long tentacles
14:39 Joubu         (the video works for me)
14:39 ashimema      no worries
14:38 oleonard      Sorry ashimema the video isn't loading for me
14:34 ashimema      not sure why my koha logo goes awol either
14:33 ashimema      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w0f-rnb8YHkqWfNwrF2sj2_OrmxgnviT/view?usp=sharing
14:30 * ashimema    is looking for a pastbin for short videos
14:29 oleonard      Oh yeah I don't usually have that one enabled, but I did test it... I'll look
14:29 ashimema      then theres another with 'All libraries' on the right
14:29 ashimema      that one is on the left of the search box
14:29 ashimema      I have two dropdowns.. must be syspref controlled
14:28 oleonard      The dropdown with library catalog, title, etc?
14:26 ashimema      oleonard ^
14:26 ashimema      but if I then increase the window width again it doesn't go back as expected
14:26 ashimema      If I reduce the width of the window, then the search header collapses as expected.. with the 'index' dropdown switching sides and going in above the library dropdown..
14:24 ashimema      hmm.. seeing some odd behaviour on flexible layout too
14:20 ashimema      hmm
14:20 oleonard      Wow Joubu you've been busy
14:18 ashimema      :)
14:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8326 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Allow patron attributes to be made repeatable after initial creation
14:17 Joubu         bug 8326 is a good one too I think
14:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16748 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch checkout needs set due date
14:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16112 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Specify due date for batch renew
14:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11469 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Publication date range assumes that years must always be 4 digits
14:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8676 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Show vendor name in source of acquisition
14:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Make patron duplicate matching flexible
14:17 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5428 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Back to results after deleting a record
14:17 Joubu         bug 5428, bug 6725, bug 8676, bug 11469, bug 16112, bug 16748
14:16 ashimema      example.. the login modal looks massive
14:15 ashimema      oleonard.. is it just me is everything in bootstrap 4 bigger..
14:15 ashimema      love it.. nice and short
14:15 henryb        ashimema: no I hadn't spotted that - thanks for letting me know!
14:15 huginn        Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_5_august_2020.2020-08-05-14.02.log.html
14:15 huginn        Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_5_august_2020.2020-08-05-14.02.txt
14:15 huginn        Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_5_august_2020.2020-08-05-14.02.html
14:15 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Aug  5 14:15:02 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:15 Joubu         #endmeeting
14:14 Joubu         no sure why we had this meeting today actually, the last one was on July 15th :)
14:14 Joubu         #info Next meeting: 2 September 2020, 20 UTC
14:14 Joubu         I think rangi asked for 20 I think
14:14 ashimema      sounds good to me
14:13 Joubu         Next meeting: 2 September 2020, ? UTC
14:13 Joubu         #topic Set time of next meeting
14:12 Joubu         #action caroline will change the message in the manual saying that the staff side doesn't work with IE
14:12 Joubu         I don't know if this has been done, postponing
14:12 ashimema      #action ;)
14:12 Joubu         #topic caroline will change the message in the manual saying that the staff side doesn't work with IE
14:12 Joubu         caroline is not around
14:12 ashimema      caroline around
14:11 Joubu         #topic Actions from last meeting
14:11 wahanui       anything else is, like, necessarily going to be incremental
14:11 Joubu         anything else?
14:11 Joubu         ashimema: you will find then if you sort NSO by bug numbers asc :)
14:10 Joubu         #info It's not too late to register for KohaCon20, even if you attend online! - https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/registration/
14:09 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:09 Joubu         #info KohaCon20 programme has been updated - https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/programme/
14:09 Joubu         #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:09 Joubu         [off] As said in the last dev meetings, we are starting to schedule a security release. Be ready for an update.
14:09 * ashimema    is still working through mail.. not spotted them yet Joubu, but sounds good
14:08 wahanui       lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!!
14:08 Joubu         rmaints?
14:08 Joubu         #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:07 Joubu         RM_priority is the tag to follow if you want to make the RM happy ;)
14:07 Joubu         A part from that, I am waiting for moves on the bug listed on https://frama.link/koha_bz_RM_priority
14:07 Joubu         most of them are small enhancements that were waiting in the queue
14:06 Joubu         you will see patches on very old bug reports
14:06 Joubu         I have "rescued" (chased ghosts) in the last couple of days
14:06 tcohen        #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:06 Joubu         Everything is going well, lot of bug fixes have been pushed
14:06 tcohen        oh
14:06 Joubu         #topic Update from the Release Manager (20.11)
14:06 huginn        tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:06 tcohen        @later tell aleisha please reconsider bug 25961
14:05 ashimema      no announcements I can think of
14:05 ashimema      did you see your mention in the koha newletter henryb ;)
14:05 kidclamp      #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions
14:05 Joubu         Anyone have something?
14:04 Joubu         #topic Announcements
14:04 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
14:04 Joubu         that will be fast then
14:03 henryb        #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
14:02 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:02 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_August_2020
14:02 Joubu         #info Jonathan Druart
14:02 Joubu         #topic Introductions
14:02 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_5_august_2020'
14:02 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:02 huginn        Meeting started Wed Aug  5 14:02:16 2020 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:02 Joubu         #startmeeting General IRC meeting 5 August 2020
13:57 vfernandes    janncis: X = $Koha::SearchEngine::BIBLIOS_INDEX or $Koha::SearchEngine::AUTHORITIES_INDEX
13:55 vfernandes    it's possible to set norenewalbefore to block only renews on the issue date (with different useDaysMode)?
13:55 janncis       with multiple search indexes
13:54 janncis       vfrenandes X is string with koha index name? How would look query param for build_query sub?
13:54 wahanui       darn tootin' it is.
13:54 ashimema      excellent
13:54 ashimema      I'll run that then :)
13:53 ashimema      thanks
13:53 ashimema      as a side note.. is it safe to nuke the wiki page 'Working with Bootstrap OPAC LESS files' now?
13:53 oleonard      I should have made that a bullet point in the test plan, it gets lost
13:52 ashimema      but I've been using the build safely for ages.. assume the install updates some things?
13:52 ashimema      nope
13:52 vfernandes    janncis: use Koha::SearchEngine::Elasticsearch::QueryBuilder; my $builder = Koha::SearchEngine::Elasticsearch->new({ index => X }); my $query = $builder->methodX( ... );
13:52 oleonard      did you 'yarn install' first?
13:51 ashimema      for me with that patch gulp explodes :(
13:51 ashimema      assume you need to run the yarn build right?
13:50 ashimema      damn.. nailed at the first step
13:50 ashimema      though it won't help me with backporting a fix to an 18.11.. lol
13:50 * ashimema    dives in
13:49 oleonard      I promise quick follow-ups to QA comments!
13:47 Joubu         yes please, we need 20168 to be pushed quickly
13:42 wahanui       darn tootin' it is.
13:42 ashimema      excellent
13:42 ashimema      that gives me the excuse I needed to play with that bug :)
13:41 ashimema      cool
13:41 ashimema      hehe
13:41 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4
13:41 oleonard      Bug 20168 :P
13:41 ashimema      everyone keeps telling me to just start using flexbox instead
13:41 ashimema      I'm back onto trying to fix that overlap of a table with nav at 200% zoom..
13:41 janncis       hello can someone help with reference for api use Koha::SearchEngine::ElasticSearch::QueryBuilder; or later in code my $query_done = Koha::SearchEngine::ElasticSearch::QueryBuilder->( $query ); are trowing Undefined subroutine
13:40 ashimema      have you used flexbox css at all in the opac yet oleonard?
13:36 ashimema      thanks dude :)
13:35 oleonard      Yes of course
13:35 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Accessibility: The date picker calendar is not keyboard accessible
13:35 ashimema      any chance you might have some time to look at bug 26041 again oleonard?
13:31 ashimema      ooh.. is there a general meeting today?
13:28 tcohen        dream about that OAI harvester and the task queue
13:27 tcohen        rest well, dcook
13:24 * dcook       slumps off to bed
13:24 dcook         Lovely seeing you all :). Have a good remainder of your day!
13:24 dcook         Speaking of nights, it's 11:24pm and I still want to read a novel.
13:24 dcook         My partner studies software development 3 days a week. She's just resumed from a break, so I might try to use those nights to get back to working on Koha..
13:23 dcook         It's so close to being finished. I just need to finish it.
13:23 dcook         I think I uploaded my WIP for that actually...
13:23 dcook         I mean "koha-foreach koha-plugin --install <this_plugin.kpz>
13:23 dcook         heh
13:22 tcohen        haha
13:22 tcohen        you mean nasible playbooks
13:22 dcook         That we do
13:22 dcook         I think we have like 80+ Koha instances, and it would be nice to distribute plugins to all of them with a few clicks
13:22 tcohen        we need to make the Koha API better and broader
13:22 dcook         I think I need to build out some of the plugin management functionality to get more buy-in at the office though
13:21 dcook         I really want to use plugin API more as well
13:21 tcohen        we are using plugin API more and more
13:21 dcook         <3
13:21 tcohen        it is important for the project's future
13:21 tcohen        go finish the OAI thing
13:20 tcohen        don't say that
13:20 dcook         ?
13:20 tcohen        hey
13:20 tcohen        oh we are making massive use of this
13:20 dcook         Not feeling motivated to work on any OAI stuff these days..
13:20 dcook         Not that I can think of any plugin I want to do at the moment except my plugin for downloading plugins lol
13:20 dcook         :D
13:20 tcohen        sounds you're on the right path :-D
13:19 tcohen        hehe
13:18 dcook         But yeah my current "plan" is Koha plugins that inject API routes and then use Vue.js to do everything on that tool page
13:17 dcook         That's a hold over from the kitchen sink that I jsut didn't bother to delete
13:17 dcook         Just don't click "Click me" heh
13:16 tcohen        this is POC
13:16 tcohen        and don't worry about that
13:16 tcohen        dcook thank you
13:16 * dcook       still feels a bit "icky" writing {{ message }} in HTML
13:16 dcook         Click "Run tool" and then "Reverse Message"
13:16 dcook         tcohen: I emailed you that plugin but it's very unpolished
13:15 dcook         Life is short! heh
13:15 * dcook       is so sick of hundreds/thousands of lines of CRUD code..
13:14 dcook         I wonder if more people would like to use it if it meant writing fewer Perl/TT lines...
13:14 dcook         Although between the 4+ of us, I figure there's some people who'd want to use Vue.js?
13:14 * magnuse     cheers dcook on
13:14 dcook         oleonard: It's so hard getting the impetus to start using a new tool O_O
13:12 dcook         I really do want to finish some of my plugin patches... just hard summoning the time/energy
13:12 dcook         But I wanted to take a baby step to see how I might use it
13:12 tcohen        thanks
13:12 dcook         I'll email you the plugin. It's nothing special.
13:12 dcook         tcohen: Oh I've basically just copied and pasted a hello world type example into Koha
13:11 * dcook       doesn't follow 100% but thinks he likes the sound of it
13:07 ashimema      yeah.. that's my thinking oleonard
13:06 oleonard      ...although the way Vue works it would be simpler to add it to an individual page or pages and later replace it than vice versa, as I understand it.
13:05 oleonard      I'm feeling like we need to have a circ rules smackdown in order for me to be able to start using a new tool, Vue or React
13:04 oleonard      Okay cool, I was worried we were going to end up with multiple versions :D
13:02 ashimema      we've discussed it.. in fact I was kinda hoping to get agustin on the case ;)
13:01 tcohen        oleonard I am
13:01 tcohen        dcook I'd like to see your results with the Vue plugin
13:01 ashimema      tcohen is aware.. ish
13:01 * dcook       waits to be cast out the channel for his selfish laziness
13:01 oleonard      tcohen, note what ashimema just said about the circ rules page
13:01 * dcook       has been playing xbox lately instead of volunteering time to Koha >_>
13:00 oleonard      :)
13:00 dcook         Leeeeeeeegend
13:00 dcook         And tcohen
13:00 dcook         You too oleonard
13:00 dcook         You're a legend ashimema
13:00 * ashimema    tries to schedule in time for that vue version of the circ rules page enhancement
13:00 dcook         [off] I was on the mod_perl listserv the past few days seeing people rage against SPAs and JS like Vue.js, so I figure there must be merit in Vue.js if those people seemed so opposed to it
12:59 ashimema      +1
12:59 dcook         10:59pm and I still need to brush my teeth and read my before bed novel..
12:59 oleonard      After just a couple hours of Vue tutorials I found it very appealing for our use cases... integrating with a big existing system
12:59 dcook         This is why I should listen to oleonard and go to bed at 9pm..
12:59 dcook         Oh wait did I find the one line messing me up..
12:58 ashimema      lol
12:58 dcook         I might just cheat for the sake of this test..
12:58 dcook         And as soon as I figure out how to make Koha work... lol
12:57 dcook         it's really messing with my server-side sensibilities
12:57 dcook         Like this Vue.js... oooof
12:57 dcook         Seems like it!
12:57 ashimema      me too
12:57 ashimema      JS is a nightmare ecosystem.. huge amounts of competition and soooo many ways to do everything
12:57 dcook         Although at the end of the day I think I care most about results
12:57 ashimema      haha.. yeah.. I'm onboard with that sometimes too
12:56 dcook         (but only sometimes)
12:56 dcook         I know some really old school folks who hate all this modern stuff, and sometimes I see where they're coming from
12:56 dcook         lol
12:56 dcook         Right?!
12:56 ashimema      lol.. frameworks built on top of frameworks.. always fun
12:55 dcook         Always more layers on this onion heh
12:55 dcook         Mmmm
12:55 dcook         "Nuxt is a progressive framework based on Vue.js to create modern web applications"
12:54 dcook         I'm not familiar with nuxt
12:54 dcook         So you compiled your Javascript ahead of time and use the API to serve it?
12:54 dcook         Mmm interesting
12:53 tcohen        that's a SPA
12:53 tcohen        https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/plugins/koha-plugin-pay-via-paypal/-/blob/master/Koha/Plugin/Com/Theke/PayViaPayPal/configure.tt
12:53 dcook         A Koha plugin could inject the API routes and then the Vue.js could handle everything on that one single page
12:52 dcook         My longer-term thinking is kind of like a mini-single page application
12:52 dcook         Yep
12:52 tcohen        ah, you are using a TT
12:52 dcook         I don't want to inject into any other pages
12:52 dcook         I'm looking just to do a single page
12:52 dcook         Hmm I don't think that's what I'd want to do
12:51 tcohen        https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-kitchen-sink/blob/master/Koha/Plugin/Com/ByWaterSolutions/KitchenSink.pm#L281
12:51 dcook         How else am I going to instantiate the Vue object?
12:50 tcohen        or similar
12:50 dcook         https://v1.vuejs.org/guide/#Handle-User-Input
12:50 tcohen        you don't need to put anything on intranetfooterjs
12:50 dcook         I'm just trying to do a little hello world type example
12:50 tcohen        what are you trying to do?
12:49 dcook         I am doing the intranet side rather than the opac but still..
12:49 dcook         Hmm where is the Javascript in the paypal..
12:48 dcook         Or rather I used the kitchen sink version of the Perl..
12:48 dcook         tcohen: That's what I used on the Perl side, so I should look at the TT side..
12:48 tcohen        ah
12:48 tcohen        might be a good example
12:48 * dcook       feels like he's set all the footerjs, jsinclude stuff right..
12:47 tcohen        the paypal plugin configuration
12:47 dcook         And I'm driving myself crazy trying to get my custom javascript to load in Koha lol
12:47 dcook         tcohen: Makes sense to me. I was thinking it could make compatibility between Koha and plugins harder, but really it would be no different than the Perl level compatibility..
12:44 tcohen        lets pick a framework and ship it with Koha :-D
12:40 dcook         ashimema: I figure Koha plugins give a good opportunity to play with Vue.js, but then I wonder if we'll use CDNs, or if every plugin will bundle their own JS..
12:32 dcook         Wow, this Vue.js hello world is already blowing my mind..
12:25 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #255: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/255/
12:23 dcook         And he popped up in my twitter one day where he mentioned a job ad where the job poster was asking for more years of experience using FastAPI than the project had even existed... (therefore even the creator of FastAPI wouldn't qualify for the job)
12:23 dcook         Of course now I'm reading about FastAPI as it's creator keeps coming up in my searches
12:11 ashimema      never enough time
12:11 dcook         How I wish I had more time..
12:10 dcook         I think that I do prefer server-side things, but Javascript can be fun
12:10 ashimema      now that's a more scary prospect
12:10 ashimema      ooh.. I did a project in Angular too..
12:10 ashimema      yeah.. no time :(
12:10 ashimema      I don't think it's too scary.. and I'm a bit of a JS luddite still.. too much time on the server in perl
12:09 dcook         ashimema: Weren't you working on a generic template to use for new things?
12:09 dcook         It's actually got me thinking about that WRAPPER again
12:09 dcook         But yeah curious what Vue.js and the like have to offer
12:07 dcook         I just have X Keycloak nodes sitting behind a load balancer. Nothing but the Wildfly application server serving static assets I think..
12:06 dcook         Looks like Keycloak is using Angular..
12:06 dcook         Dang, ashimema and oleonard you're making this sound more intimidating than I thought
12:06 magnuse       phew
12:05 dcook         Too busy at work, and I just don't have the mind for it at home
12:05 ashimema      Love it
12:05 dcook         magnuse: Might make you happy to know that I've paused on the patches for the time being
12:05 dcook         magnuse: lol
12:05 ashimema      I worked through a Vue course a while ago.. it's moved on a bit but I really liked it back then.. hope I can remember how it all fits together
12:05 * oleonard    's library subscribes to Lynda.com where there is a good starter lesson on Vue
12:04 magnuse       dcook: just make sure you submit everything as one huge patch, so you don't sneak past me in the stats ;-)
12:04 dcook         Yeah I want to just do this little hello world in Vue.js to get a taste for it
12:03 dcook         Nice one, ashimema
12:03 ashimema      Bringing stuff back to know is great.. I approve
12:03 dcook         If I understand correctly, it's whole front-end is JS based, and it just uses Wildfly...
12:03 ashimema      As for Vue.. I'm a fan of it but haven't spent enough time in it yet to really push.. I hope to write a clone of the new circ rules page react app in vue so we can compare a non-trivial case in Koha context.
12:03 dcook         I'm actually meaning to look at Keycloak again..
12:02 dcook         (Not that those other projects are solved by any means)
12:02 dcook         But I try to bring that thinking back to Koha too
12:02 dcook         But yeah most of my other projects have more focus on performance and scalability than Koha
12:01 dcook         Got caught out on a different legacy project where I updated the Javascript for the first time in many many years..
12:01 ashimema      Was a while ago now.
12:01 dcook         I was reading more about that recently too heh
12:01 dcook         Good job :D
12:01 dcook         Oh you were responsible for that?
12:01 ashimema      Haha, indeed
12:00 ashimema      I had a similar quest when adding versions to resources so we could properly cache them
12:00 dcook         Most of what I read online is rubbish where people think they're being smart but they're just being naive
12:00 dcook         Although I wish I knew someone who could just say "this is the right way to do it"
12:00 dcook         ashimema: I think so
11:59 ashimema      Interesting
11:58 dcook         And it was way less than I thought
11:58 dcook         But that got me thinking about what we *actually* have for Javascript, CSS, and images..
11:57 dcook         But I haven't really thought it through >_>
11:57 dcook         And I wondered how feasible it would be to actually package the static assets separately and then install those into a separate Docker container with Nginx
11:56 dcook         A lot of the naive approaches are terrible, so I started thinking about better ways of doing it..
11:56 dcook         In a separate container
11:56 dcook         The main Docker container would just be running Starman... but we'd still need Apache or Nginx or something to be serving static assets
11:56 dcook         I was thinking about a few scenarios, but mostly Docker deployments
11:55 dcook         (as well as a couple CGI scripts which don't work with Plack - yet)
11:55 dcook         But Apache still does all the static assets
11:55 dcook         Well of dynamic pages
11:55 dcook         When using Plack, Starman does most of the web serving
11:55 dcook         Well, I was thinking about more optimal server configs
11:54 oleonard      What is the reason for counting static assets
11:54 dcook         If anyone has a good knowledge of what static assets there are, it would be you..
11:54 dcook         Then I realized 99.99% of "htdocs" is really template files :|
11:53 dcook         I wanted to see how many static assets Koha actually has...
11:53 dcook         Especially when I was writing the bug report for 26140 actually
11:53 dcook         Actually, I was thinking of you a bit earlier, oleonard
11:53 dcook         :D
11:53 oleonard      Oh, good excuse. I started looking at Vue.js this week
11:52 dcook         But thanks oleonard ^_^
11:52 dcook         I wanted to play with Vue.js, so going to do a little "Hello World" using a Koha plugin >_>
11:51 dcook         lol
11:51 dcook         It's only 9:51pm!
11:51 oleonard      Go to bed dcook ;)
11:49 dcook         Reporting the issue though since it's a valid issue
11:49 dcook         I probably don't have the resources to handle that issue myself at the moment anyway
11:48 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26140 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Move .tt files to a tt/ template root directory
11:48 dcook         Joubu: The email for Bug 26140 is to start discussion. I imagine most people will disagree with me though, so I imagine no patch will be written
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11:36 wahanui       Congratulations!
11:36 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
11:26 cait          ashimema: wait until i have caught up on bug mails ;) enjoy your walk!
11:23 ashimema      see ya later everyone
11:23 ashimema      right.. time for a quick walk
11:22 ashimema      hehe.. bumps my numbers nicely for this month :)
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11:21 ashimema      it's a nice simple one :)
11:21 ashimema      done
11:19 cait          if you have a moment to tackle it, be welcome!
11:18 cait          got distracted too (not kids, but dad :) )
11:18 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26138 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Errors if enable_plugins is zero
11:18 ashimema      are you on bug 26138 cait?
11:06 alexbuckley   thanks! :)
11:05 ashimema      sleep well :)
11:05 alexbuckley   OK I am off to bed now night all!
11:01 alexbuckley   oh yes that would be cool!
11:00 ashimema      should get my oldest back into contributing.. it's been a while since she submitted a patch
11:00 ashimema      but it's nice having them home.. most of the time
11:00 ashimema      lets just say I end up 'working' much longer hours to get the same or a bit less done :P
11:00 cait          hi oleonard :)
10:58 oleonard      o/
10:56 alexbuckley   ah yep its good you were already used to the remote working beforehand! Yeah I found it a bit distracting working from the lounge in mum and dads house (no office available heh), so can definitely imagine having kids around is much more distracting
10:52 ashimema      in school holidays now so the kids are back at home
10:52 ashimema      though it was distracting having the kids and other half around so much
10:52 ashimema      working from home already meant I'm fairly used to it..
10:52 ashimema      yeah, we're not too bad here
10:46 alexbuckley   hmm yeah I saw there were regional lockdowns happening in the north, hope you and the family managed to stay sane during lockdown :) I went back to my parents home in the South Island of NZ, was a nice chance to catchup :)
10:42 ashimema      It's good.. though likely we'll be back in it fairly soon I reckon
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10:39 alexbuckley   thanks! nice to see you likewise! How is it being out of lockdown in the UK? I've got quite a lot of family there and they are loving being able to get out and about at last :)
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10:36 ashimema      hi alexbuckley.. nice to see you :)
10:36 ashimema      :)
10:35 alexbuckley   hey ashimema :)
10:35 ashimema      nice one.. go team
10:31 alexbuckley   no worries cait :)
10:31 cait          thanks :) will get to it in a bit!
10:30 alexbuckley   I've tested 26138 and everything worked as described so have signed off
10:29 alexbuckley   heh yeah, I was doing an out of hours deploy :)
10:27 cait          isn't this quite late for you?
10:27 cait          oh hey alexbuckley :)
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10:22 alexbuckley   hi cait sure thing testing now
10:19 cait          someon mind a sign-off? then i coudl do qa
10:19 cait          ah i see
10:19 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn.
10:19 huginn        cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
10:19 cait          huginn: ?
10:19 wahanui       bugger all, i dunno, cait
10:19 cait          wahanui: ?
10:19 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26138 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Errors if enable_plugins is zero
10:18 cait          bug 26138
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10:17 wahanui       Congratulations!
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10:16 did           cait: 26138
10:14 cait          and i have a backlog of 500 bug mails heh
10:14 cait          this blocks a lot of testing
10:14 cait          did: do you have a bug number?
10:13 did           cait: there's a bz
10:13 cait          master and did a reset_all
10:13 cait          anyone seen this?
10:12 cait          Can't use string ("0") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 661
10:12 cait          hm my koha opac is broken
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09:12 cait          hi ashimema
09:12 ashimema      hi cait
09:11 magnuse       Check the backlog before reporting: https://www.monkeyuser.com/2020/duplicates/
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09:03 wahanui       Congratulations!
09:03 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
08:59 magnuse       kia ora cait!
08:53 * cait        waves at magnuse
08:51 * magnuse     waves
08:47 Joubu         dcook: 26140 - I did not understand in your email, are you going to write a patch?
08:42 * cait        waves
08:37 Joubu         mtj: ?
08:36 Joubu         mtj[m]: something wrong with docker3, I disconnected it
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08:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 25811: Try to fix the random failure caused by not finding id=login <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c34d222d57c61c60dcfb9babc16be8827bb7e242>
08:18 ashimema      brb.. need to reboot
08:16 ashimema      really good.. nice to get away from it all.. we went camping in the middle of nowhere and walking around 90km over the week (with two girls, one 5 and one 11, that's not bad)
08:16 Joubu         hum s/hot/heat
08:16 dersmon       wiki account is requested ;)
08:16 Joubu         (the hot did not help)
08:16 Joubu         haha yes, I know that feeling, it took me several days to get back to normal speed
08:15 dcook         ashimema: good break?
08:15 ashimema      still playing catchup a bit after being off for a week
08:15 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26138 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Errors if enable_plugins is zero
08:15 Joubu         bug 26138
08:15 Joubu         but 26138
08:15 ashimema      okies.. will try to get to all of them..
08:14 Joubu         and there is a blocker
08:14 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26043 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Holds.t is failing randomly
08:14 Joubu         ashimema: and bug 26043
08:14 dcook         Although I wonder if we'll always have a legacy root element of yazgfs heh
08:14 dcook         Personally, I think koha-conf.xml should be separated into a zebra.xml and koha-conf.xml but that's just me. I figure it'll happen one way or another one day once we get rid of Zebra
08:14 ashimema      sure
08:13 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26141 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Duplicated code in search.pl
08:13 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Unneeded calls in detail.pl can be removed
08:13 Joubu         bug 26133 and bug 26141 < ashimema can I get a review on that if you have some time today?
08:13 dcook         But it looks like we probably put <user> and <password> into <serverinfo> out of convenience
08:13 dcook         For the most part we keep it separate in our little <config> element
08:12 dcook         We took Zebra's yazgfs file and glued in our own config
08:12 dcook         koha-conf.xml is terrible
08:12 Joubu         why?
08:12 dcook         That's... not great
08:11 dcook         Looks like
08:11 Joubu         I guess the server is using the zebra config file, and Koha (zebra client) is using the passwd from koha-conf
08:11 dcook         Not seeing any "user" or "password" elements in yazgfs in https://software.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz.pdf
08:09 dcook         Or are those user and password elements non-standard...
08:09 dcook         Does that mean zebraidx is using zebra.passwd?
08:08 dcook         I figured zebrasrv used what's in koha-conf.xml
08:08 dcook         So interesting
08:06 dersmon       sure
08:03 Joubu         dersmon: can you add something about this error on the wiki page?
08:01 Joubu         great
08:01 dersmon       thank you very much! :)
08:01 dersmon       message is gone in the about + i see the biblios
08:01 dersmon       now it works, thanks
08:00 dersmon       ok, somehow those two were not the same
08:00 Joubu         </serverinfo>
08:00 Joubu         <serverinfo id="biblioserver"> <ccl2rpn>/etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties</ccl2rpn> <user>kohauser</user> <password>vx5SpzHVCSnaxH4u</password>
07:59 Joubu         kohauser:vx5SpzHVCSnaxH4u
07:59 Joubu         more /etc/koha/sites/kohadev/zebra.passwd
07:59 Joubu         kohauser:vx5SpzHVCSnaxH4u
07:59 Joubu         more /etc/koha/sites/kohadev/zebra.passwd
07:59 Joubu         dersmon: example:
07:56 dersmon       without the actual password ;)
07:56 dersmon       the line is taken from my koha-conf.xml
07:55 dersmon       <serverinfo id="publicserver">         <ccl2rpn>/etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties</ccl2rpn>         <user>kohauser</user>         <password>{password}</password> </serverinfo>
07:55 dersmon       so this should also be defined in zebra.passwd, correct?:
07:52 dersmon       zebra.passwd was not empty after all, i just used less without sudo
07:52 dersmon       so the user/password in zebra.passwd and koha-conf.xml are the same
07:52 Joubu         but I am confused, there is the same password defined for the authorityserver part, but it is not used from zebra-authorities-dom.cfg
07:51 dersmon       i got it
07:51 Joubu         (I think so, they are matching for me)
07:51 * dcook       looks at the dark outside
07:50 wahanui       rumour has it ashimema is literally just writing up the release anouncement ;)
07:50 dcook         heya ashimema
07:50 ashimema      mornin' #koha
07:50 Joubu         it's the password defined in your koha-conf, in the serverinfo section
07:50 dcook         Joubu used a test path
07:50 dcook         dersmon: Which path did you use?
07:49 dersmon       there i should find my db credentials?
07:49 dersmon       hm, my zebra.passwd is just empty
07:48 dersmon       so
07:47 dcook         Joubu: that's interesting O_O
07:47 dersmon       that may explain it
07:47 dersmon       i thougt zebra read also from the koha config
07:47 dersmon       wait a second -___-
07:47 dersmon       ah
07:46 Joubu         I don't see the passwd line in /etc/koha/sites/kohadev/zebra-authorities-dom.cfg
07:46 Joubu         38 passwd: /etc/koha/sites/kohadev/zebra.passwd
07:46 Joubu         37 perm.kohauser:rw
07:46 Joubu         36 perm.anonymous:ar
07:46 Joubu         /etc/koha/sites/kohadev/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg
07:45 dersmon       but how is it possible that zebra successfully indexed authority data but somehow fails at biblio if the credentials are not accepted? i mean it's all read from the same config, right?
07:44 dersmon       my password contains an "="
07:44 dersmon       yes, i saw that in the wiki
07:43 Joubu         but... it seems that 1011 stands for "bad credential"
07:42 Joubu         if you have -f I don't think you need -b and -a
07:42 dersmon       ok
07:41 Joubu         and -a
07:41 dersmon       koha-rebuild-zebra -f -b -v -r <instance>, yes?
07:41 Joubu         so -r -a -b [-v if you want]
07:41 Joubu         if you face search problem it's always good to full reindex with -r
07:41 dersmon       ok
07:41 dersmon       ah
07:41 Joubu         it will reset the index
07:41 dersmon       *checked
07:40 dersmon       will try, what does the -r stand for? i thought i had hecked the --help for koha-rebuild-zebra
07:39 Joubu         dersmon: try reindexing with -r
07:38 dersmon       weird
07:38 dersmon       hm, now it is back to Error message from Zebra: 1011
07:34 dersmon       after restarting zebra i get Error message from Zebra: 10004
07:32 dersmon       i can't find any bibliographic data, but the search for authority data works
07:32 dersmon       in my about page i get: Warning 	Error message from Zebra: 1011
06:39 wahanui       hey, reiveune
06:39 reiveune      hello
06:04 dersmon       i think i encountered the problem once before, but cant remember how to solve this
06:04 dersmon       but the search is still empty
06:04 dersmon       hi! i have just reindexed my data using koha-rebuild-zebra -f -b -v <instance> and it committed my records
05:36 josef_moravec ashimema: it is not so important, so don't bother to finding it out. I've just had an idea about a small project, which could benefit from CoCe, but it would to need to enhance CoCe a bit (more ;)).
05:34 ashimema      I think we may have a few Koha's using it too but  not 100% sure.. of have to dig into our hosting to see if we still host one as a service
05:33 ashimema      Good question.. we were using it for another project for a while.. but that software has since been sold to another company
05:32 josef_moravec ashimema: hi, I saw you contributed to CoCe, I just wanted to ask, if you are using it in production somewhere?
05:31 ashimema      Hi josef_moravec
05:09 josef_moravec ashimema: around?
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