Time Nick Message 02:08 AdamG Hi, I was wondering if someone could suggest resources for setting up a debian 10 box to host koha from my home for a small school library. I'm looking to develop a proof of concept before paying for hosting, and I'm no unix sysadmin 02:20 davidnind AdamC: Koha on Debian using https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 02:20 davidnind If you don't have a machine available you could try using VirtualBox on a Windows machine, as long as you have a reasonable amount of memory 02:24 AdamG I have a reasonable desktop with an I5, 1TB of hard drive space, and maybe 8gb of RAM. Adding more ram is not a problem either. I know performance will be poor, but I'm not knowledgeable about setting up the firewall, static IP, etc 02:24 davidnind A lot to learn if you are less familiar with Linux + Web servers (Apache) + Databases (MariaDb or MySQL) - there are some good tutorials around on getting a minimal Debian install running first, before starting on the Koha part 02:25 davidnind How to forge has some good tutorials from memory: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/debian-minimal-server/ 02:26 davidnind 8GB should be okay - I can get a workable system (for testing) running fine with my laptop using VirtualBox - would work fine for a demonstration system 02:27 tuxayo AdamG: « I'm looking to develop a proof of concept before paying for hosting, and I'm no unix sysadmin» Proof of concept of hosting Koha or just proof of concept or using Koha? 02:28 AdamG thank you - that tutorial looks like a great start - I assume I'm installing the non graphical UI, correct? 02:28 tuxayo Yes non UI 02:28 tuxayo That's how it would be for a server 02:29 AdamG The proof of concept is for both - setting up the library catalog, configuring koha, and letting remote users search the catalog database from their PC 02:29 tuxayo «before paying for hosting» Before paying a generic server hosting and hosting it yourself there? Or before paying a Koha support company to manage the hosting? (whether it's on your server or not) 02:29 davidnind linode has some good tutorials as well, particularly for hardening your server if it is eventually going to end up on the internet https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/ 02:30 tuxayo AdamG: So actually your not searching a proof of concept to hosting Koha as in a sysadmin sense right? 02:31 tuxayo davidnind: Would the Koha DevBox do then? 02:32 davidnind tuxayo: I've never manged to get DevBox working, so I've used Koha Testing Docker - have not managed to get that working on Windows though :-( 02:33 AdamG So, my 14yo son wants to set this up for his school who has no budget for it. instead of him waiting for them to a) understand the difference between locally hosted (a PC in the corner of the library configured with the school's router), self hosted, (eg digital ocean) or fully managed hosting (a surprising amount of money) Iwanted to get him up and running with the software and then show it off. 02:33 tuxayo davidnind: Oh, I can help with both it you need :). Note that Lisette recently used Koha Testing Docker on Windows 02:34 davidnind another option is to use one of the demo installations provided by some of the support providers https://koha-community.org/demo/ - go for 20.05, generally reset regularly 02:34 tuxayo I bet most people not sysadmins have way more chance trying a Koha DevBox than Debian install + Koha install 02:34 tuxayo davidnind++ 02:37 tuxayo Yes the demo installation for you AdamG are the best option if your tests can be done quickly enough to not be annoyed by the data being reset from time to time (because it's a demo) 02:39 AdamG would he be able to learn how to configure koha as an admin, enter books into the catalog, test printing barcode labels, etc? 02:39 tuxayo Maybe even better. The sandboxes (it's made to test patches), it turn out that the ones of PTFS-E (a support company involved in the community) have a lifespan of at least 15 days 02:40 davidnind some useful resources for Koha itself - http://koha-us.org/learn/ and https://koha.bywatersolutions.com/ (and follow ByWater Solutions Twitter and YouTube as they have so many great tutorials) 02:41 davidnind tuxayo: I'm happy with Koha Testing Docker on Ubuntu, but thanks anyway (next time I rebuild I'll try KTD on Windows and see if I have better luck) 02:41 tuxayo oops forgot the link for the sandboxes: http://sandboxes.ptfs-europe.co.uk/ 02:42 tuxayo davidnind: I'm happy that you can use Linux instead of Windows to work on Koha ;) 02:42 AdamG This is great; you've given me l/ him lots to read and get familiar with. thank you 02:43 AdamG I'm more of a windows guy, but I understand it adds much more overhead 02:44 davidnind AdamG: if you get stuck, then ask on IRC or the general mailing list - IRC depends who is around, often more active for US and European times 02:44 AdamG One final question - when adding books to the catalog, will he need to manually type all of the metadata (author, title, etc) or is there a public database that he can search by ISDN to populate this information in Koha? 02:46 tuxayo If you use MARC21 you can for example do a search at the US library of congress to get metadata. If you user UNIMARC there is the french national library 02:46 davidnind You can copy catlaogue rather than catalogue from scratch, for example from Library of Congress - depends on the type of items you have 02:47 tuxayo And you can add other Z39.50 or SRU servers from other countries, type of item depending on what you need. 02:47 AdamG super; those are good keywords for me to research. Thanks again. .. 02:49 davidnind AdamG: From the manual (although this is the dev version) https://koha-community.org/manual/20.11/en/html/cataloging.html#adding-records 02:50 tuxayo davidnind: they left ^^" 02:50 davidnind tuxayo++ 02:51 tuxayo For the record, my WIP message was: 02:51 tuxayo This is a more of a general question for other libraries like your in your country. 02:51 tuxayo The Koha part was the fact it compatible with Z39.50 and SRU which are popular standards for communicating with a server that provides autority and biblio records. 02:51 tuxayo I case they come back I'll copy :P 06:23 reiveune hello 06:23 wahanui hi, reiveune 06:33 cait2 good morning #koha 06:55 fridolin hi 07:21 Joubu wizzyrea: I've checked and there is no tab in the history file. Is the script available somewhere? I could give it a try 07:22 Joubu wizzyrea: I mean, there is no tab in the date 07:41 Joubu fridolin: around? 07:42 fridolin Joubu: yep ? 07:52 Joubu fridolin: I let you a comment on bug 25765 07:52 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25765 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to stable , Replace LoginBranchname and LoginBranchcode with use of Branches template plugin 07:58 Joubu @later tell tcohen please confirm 26108 as soon as you can 07:58 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 08:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26108: (bug 25855 follow-up) Call after_circ_action hook only if issue exists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5d221160184120140950112ef8edfb0ea476949> 08:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25852: Improve C4::Creators::Lib reliability under plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a9d3f17d9e44b5326a42d14420d30243031629d> 08:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25852: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e330e4ec222f8ac3a04339a020509e30aa0bf3ab> 08:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25887: Keep library filter on the fund list view <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=09ed4c0dd7277931c1e631c5b1329463fc9751e5> 08:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26093: Markup error after Bug 24279 creates formatting problem <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4921ad8ae42c04415347d2d0bce4a5ed7af395a3> 09:36 Joubu kidclamp: any ideas what's going on there? bug 26110 09:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26110 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Advanced search does not return consistent result 09:37 kidclamp looking 09:40 kidclamp https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2W46GiSf/ 09:41 kidclamp bug 25882 09:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25882 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Elasticsearch - Advanced search itemtype limits are being double quoted 09:41 kidclamp Joubu^ 09:41 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 09:41 wahanui Congratulations! 09:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1396: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1396/ 09:44 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 09:44 wahanui Congratulations! 09:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #53: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/53/ 09:44 Joubu thx kidclamp 09:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #355: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/355/ 09:46 Joubu kidclamp: does it affect stables? 09:47 Joubu caused by bug 23521 apparently 09:47 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23521 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Pushed to stable , ES 6 - limit terms with many words can make the search inaccurate 09:55 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #50: FAILURE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/50/ 09:57 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 09:57 wahanui Congratulations! 09:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #378: FIXED in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/378/ 10:21 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 10:21 wahanui Congratulations! 10:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #852: FIXED in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/852/ 10:29 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 10:29 wahanui Congratulations! 10:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #312: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/312/ 10:29 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 10:29 wahanui Congratulations! 10:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #36: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/36/ 10:36 * oleonard waves 10:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #31: STILL UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/31/ 10:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25811: (follow-up) Debug - Paste the source of the page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67f6ceecd314fadd96e3dbc5fc543dd0528b050a> 11:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #37: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/37/ 11:16 oleonard Hi cait 11:20 cait hi oleonard :) 11:21 cait Where is my Friday QA crowd? 11:21 cait kidclamp++ 11:21 * kidclamp waves 11:21 cait Sally++ 11:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #356: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/356/ 11:45 oleonard Sally++ 11:49 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #54: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/54/ 11:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1397: SUCCESS in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1397/ 11:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #853: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/853/ 12:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #51: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/51/ 12:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #313: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/313/ 12:17 cait hm someone any issues with patron import and "proxy error"? 12:18 tcohen morning 12:18 oleonard Hi tcohen 12:19 tcohen hi 12:20 tcohen any comments on bug 22343 UI are welcome, oleonard 12:20 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22343 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add SMTP configuration options to Administration 12:21 oleonard The quick look I made yesterday didn't turn up anything obvious tcohen. I'm hoping to give the functionality a real test today 12:21 tcohen thanks! 12:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #38: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/38/ 12:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #32: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/32/ 12:56 oleonard lukeG around? 12:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #379: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/379/ 13:18 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26108: Only call the plugin hook if a return took place <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce441708906fa282e000f523243ded20541970cc> 13:18 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26108: Regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a51b06001f2f8e42efc48d1898060f1d8d23ae62> 13:18 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26111: Add "Serials" (SER) to the reports dictionnary <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0eee4d2e1359050cee3dd23a121e75195b0ce11> 13:18 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26084: Clarify language on ConsiderOnSiteCheckoutsAsNormalCheckouts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=622ea4627ae50c49f7547ee3a3a8b4bde18e17a3> 13:18 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25873: Ignore malformed data for Elasticsearch integer fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb5acdc6702cef4668921ccf2537797358981fff> 13:18 oleonard "Remove leftover carp always" seems like generally good advice 13:57 tuxayo hi #koha o/ 13:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1398: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1398/ 14:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #357: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/357/ 14:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #55: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/55/ 14:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #854: UNSTABLE in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/854/ 14:34 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:34 wahanui Congratulations! 14:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #52: FIXED in 1 hr 13 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/52/ 14:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #39: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/39/ 14:37 reiveune bye 14:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #314: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/314/ 15:06 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:06 wahanui Congratulations! 15:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #33: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/33/ 15:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #380: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/380/ 15:45 oleonard Joubu around? 16:10 Joubu not really :) 16:11 Joubu do you have a quick question? 16:12 oleonard I have a question abut the qa tools which I can ask on gitlab for you to see when you have time 16:12 oleonard No rush 16:12 Joubu yep, thanks :) 16:12 Joubu have a good weekend 16:12 oleonard You too! 16:13 tuxayo o/ Joubu 16:35 oleonard That thing where the Bugzilla search results page appears to be indefinitely loading... I hates it 16:39 kidclamp +1 oleonard 20:41 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 20:41 wahanui Congratulations! 20:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #55: FIXED in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/55/ 20:42 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 20:42 wahanui Congratulations! 20:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #51: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/51/ 20:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #47: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9_My8/47/ 20:55 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #42: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/42/ 21:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #45: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/45/ 21:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #42: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/42/ 21:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #56: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/56/ 21:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #52: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/52/ 21:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #43: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/43/ 21:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #48: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9_My8/48/ 22:10 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 22:10 wahanui Congratulations! 22:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #46: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/46/ 22:18 oleonard lukeG1 here? 22:18 lukeG1 yes 22:18 oleonard When you were testing my Bootstrap 4 branch were you using a Mac? 22:18 lukeG1 I was 22:19 oleonard Okay, me too. I think we're seeing the same thing with regard to input borders. 22:19 oleonard I haven't tested on a PC yet 22:19 oleonard My revised branch is an improvement I think but still not 100% consistent 22:19 lukeG1 Ahh, I have no PC's to test on, unfortunately :( 22:20 lukeG1 Ive meant to test again since you've made some corrections. 22:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #43: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/43/ 22:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #57: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/57/ 22:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #44: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/44/ 22:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #49: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9_My8/49/ 23:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #53: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/53/ 23:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #58: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/58/ 23:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #47: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/47/