Time Nick Message 21:23 mtompset Doh! I turned around, and there was a meeting! 20:51 davidnind no worries aleisha! 20:47 aleisha thanks all, sorry to have arrived late! 20:46 kathryn seeyas later! 20:46 cait good night all! 20:46 davidnind thansk caroline for doing the #infos and #actions 20:46 caroline thanks davidnind++ 20:45 davidnind caroline++ 20:45 davidnind Thanks everyone! 20:45 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_15_july_2020.2020-07-15-20.03.log.html 20:45 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_15_july_2020.2020-07-15-20.03.txt 20:45 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_15_july_2020.2020-07-15-20.03.html 20:45 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 20:45:32 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 20:45 davidnind #endmeeting 20:45 davidnind #info Next meeting: 5 August 2020, 14:00 UTC 20:43 tuxayo See you o/ 20:43 tuxayo No worries. I'm getting back on the rails :) 20:43 tuxayo Hi, appologies, couldn't attend to both meetings. Got a hard time since 10 days to work on Koha. 20:43 davidnind 5 August 2020 at 14:00 UTC? (Get back to first week of the month + it has been at 20:00 UTC for a while) 20:42 davidnind #topic Next meeting 20:40 davidnind Any general business anyone wants to raise? 20:40 davidnind #topic General business 20:40 thd The alternative of Edge browser for Microsoft only environments should be noted. 20:40 davidnind thanks cait for raising! 20:40 caroline #action caroline will change the message in the manual saying that the staff side doesn't work with IE 20:40 cait caroline++ thank you 20:40 cait aleisha++ #string freeze 20:40 davidnind caroline++ 20:39 caroline ok I can do that 20:39 cait or not officially supported? 20:39 cait or something like ti 20:39 cait i'd probably put in a 'internet explorer is not supported by the Koha Community. 20:38 caroline I don't mind chaging the manual, but I'm not sure what is wrong with the current sentence 20:38 davidnind #info to announce IE 11 is no longer supported and update relevant areas, including the wiki and manual where required (davidnind) 20:38 cait it will probably take me a while 20:37 caroline cait: what would you change in the manual? That it *doesn't work* with IE instead of it might not work? 20:37 oleonard I think that sounds good 20:37 cait we could and then update the manual maybe? 20:35 davidnind Okay, we all agree we won't support it, should we officially announce to the mailing list? (any see what reaction there is, if any) 20:35 talljoy +1 20:34 lisettelatah +1 20:34 davidnind +1 20:34 cait +1 20:34 aleisha +1 20:34 caroline no problem on our side 20:34 oleonard +1 20:33 talljoy yes please 20:33 cait no support for internet explorer for staff side? 20:33 cait should we propose makin git official? 20:32 oleonard Edge was first released in 2015 20:32 caroline ah ok 20:32 cait as a Microsoft option 20:32 cait they would ahve Edge available to them now is what we think 20:31 caroline I think the only opposition was from places where they are locked in Microsoft products 20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20062 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Remove support for Internet Explorer 7 in the staff client 20:31 cait we had bug 20062 20:31 oleonard Since their "Edge" browser has been around for a while and now comes in a Chromium-based version too 20:31 cait was just thinking we shoudl put things in writing somewhere 20:31 cait i'd not oppose 20:31 oleonard I think what we're talking about is dropping support for the "Internet Explorer" product altogether 20:30 talljoy #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions 20:30 cait the manual states: "When working in the Koha staff client it is strongly recommended that you use an up-to-date version of either Mozilla Firefox or Google Chrome. Koha’s staff client may not work well in Microsoft Internet Explorer, especially older versions." 20:30 cait yep, I added the topic, just trying to explain my thoughts there 20:29 cait oleonard: maybe you can help out? 20:29 caroline I saw, but it's the one in the agenda... 20:29 cait i remember us deprecating... IE 7? 20:29 cait but i wondered if we should update the notes int he manual 20:29 cait this one was marked resolved wontfix now 20:29 huginn Bug 25803: major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Internet Explorer: unable to save patron edits or view patron checkouts 20:29 caroline #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25803 20:29 aleisha #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT New Zealand 20:28 aleisha HI! 20:28 davidnind #topic Browser support issues 20:28 davidnind thanks oleonard! 20:27 davidnind congratulations to the new release maintainers getting their first maintenance releases out in June (aleisha, tuxayo, lukeG) 20:26 kathryn thanks davidnind, I'm hopeful it will more accessible to a much bigger group :) 20:26 oleonard There wasn't really any news... 20:25 davidnind Are there any release maintainers around, or anyone who attended the development meeting who can give us an update? 20:25 davidnind thanks kathryn, great to here what is happening and being as inclusive as possible with our global community 20:23 kathryn thanks cait! me too! (I really stop now?) 20:23 cait looking forward to it 20:23 kathryn I meant to say live questions :) 20:23 kathryn so we can also do things like have a recorded presentation but live preseneters 20:22 kathryn have a practice room for speakers, it offers recording, audience members can grab the mic 20:22 kathryn yeah, users can grab the microphone, and we can make groups to socialise in during breaks for those who are online etc 20:22 caroline looks nice 20:22 davidnind Great to hear what is happening, also thanks to koha-US for their online conference in April 20:21 kathryn yup 20:21 kathryn (I stop now :) ) 20:21 thd https://bigbluebutton.org/ 20:20 kathryn We took a lot of confidence from how nice the USA event went a couple months back :) 20:20 kathryn We have an online learning/videoconf/presenting platform called big blue button 20:19 kathryn Hi thd, I think we're using YouTube like the USA yser group 20:19 davidnind Thanks kathryn for the update! 20:19 caroline yup, I don't have anything else to bring to this meeting, so I parrot the participants hehe 20:18 thd Do you have a particular streaming system in mind? 20:18 davidnind #info register at https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/registration/ 20:18 kathryn thank you caroline I'll let you do it if that's ok :) 20:18 caroline #info We will have online and in-person workshop streams 20:18 davidnind all good! 20:18 kathryn Any questions? (sorry I forgot about #info that whole time) 20:17 oleonard https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/registration/ 20:17 kathryn We will have online and in-person workshop streams 20:17 kathryn hehe hi cait :) 20:17 kathryn We have a mix of pre-recorded and live presentation from our Northern hemisphere colleagues :) 20:16 cait kathryn: i already took vacation for this week :) (making up the bad time difference) 20:16 caroline #info register to kohacon20 if you intend on attengin online or in perso 20:16 kathryn We're working on how to best support speakers and somekind of online social-ness 20:15 kathryn We'd appreciate more registrations - there is now an option to register and say you're attending online or in person for those in NZ 20:15 oleonard-away #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 20:15 kathryn A couple of new sponsorships have been confirmed with Linux Australia and FE Technologies, we'll promote our sponsors more soon 20:14 caroline #info new Kohacon20 schedule TBA 20:14 kathryn We're currently re-working the programme and hope to "re-launch" it next week 20:14 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 20:14 cait late for 2 meetings in a day, sorry! 20:13 kathryn We're pretty excited and there's lots going on so... 20:13 kathryn Oh sure then :) 20:13 davidnind Now is good, we are on announcments 20:13 kathryn let me know when is a good time to say something about Kohacon 20:12 davidnind no worries! 20:12 kathryn hi :D 20:12 davidnind Hi kathryn! 20:12 kathryn (apologies for lateness) 20:12 kathryn #info Kathryn Tyree 20:12 davidnind #topic Update on releases 20:11 davidnind I don't think anyone is around from Catalyst IT yet, so no Kohacon20 update 20:11 davidnind lisettelatah++ 20:11 caroline #info schedule TBA 20:10 lisettelatah Yes, we will send out information about registration when we have the schedule. 20:10 caroline lisettelatah you'll let us know for registration? 20:10 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York city 20:10 davidnind great! 20:09 caroline (i didn't feel like summarizing hehe!) 20:09 davidnind thanks lisettelatah! 20:09 caroline #info The annual Koha-US Conference has been moved online with the first day on September 21 2020. We are working on the schedule. We will hold it in McKinney Texas in 2021. 20:09 lisettelatah The annual Koha-US Conference has been moved online with the first day on September 21 2020. We are working on the schedule. We will hold it in McKinney Texas in 2021. 20:09 davidnind Any announcements? 20:08 davidnind #topic Announcements 20:08 davidnind I think Joubu is on holiday 20:07 davidnind I'll give it a few more minutes and see if anyone else turns up! ( looks like it might be a quick one!) 20:07 caroline Joubu 20:07 caroline lol he is! 20:07 wahanui hmmm... kidclamp is the guy with an amazing moustache 20:07 caroline kidclamp 20:06 lisettelatah #info Lisette Scheer, Latah County Library District, Moscow Idaho 20:06 wahanui ashimema is literally just writing up the release anouncement ;) 20:06 caroline ashimema 20:05 caroline I wanted to talk to the docs team about the images 20:05 davidnind we could have a documentation meeting :) 20:05 caroline cait 20:05 caroline tcohen was just here 20:05 caroline i'll try to ping some ppl 20:04 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Montreal, Québec 20:04 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 20:03 davidnind #topic Introductions 20:03 huginn Current chairs: caroline davidnind 20:03 davidnind #chair caroline 20:03 davidnind #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_15_July_2020 20:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_15_july_2020' 20:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 15 20:03:13 2020 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03 davidnind #startmeeting General IRC meeting 15 July 2020 20:02 caroline ok! 20:02 davidnind I'll start and we'll see who turns up! 20:02 caroline is anyone around? 20:02 caroline I can chair if needed 20:02 caroline totally forgot that there was a meeting 20:01 davidnind who is willing to chair today? 20:01 wahanui meeting is, like, over :) 20:01 davidnind meeting? 19:44 caroline the title seems to be in 300 instead of 245, and maybe the author is in 210 instead of 100 19:43 caroline I think this was a record that was imported with the wrong MARC format 19:42 tcohen http://knihovna.pravnickyslovnik.cz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=2 19:41 caroline ooh, no title is not good... 19:41 tcohen link on the search results 19:41 tcohen hence it is not building the line 19:41 tcohen auvajs it looks like many records lack the title field 19:38 caroline It's pretty advanced though 19:37 caroline If you understand this, it might be helpful too https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra 19:36 auvajs np :) I'm just trying to run this software for my mother's local parish library.. but maybe koha is too robust for this purposes 19:36 caroline https://koha-community.org/faqs/zebra-indexing-wont-work-fix-it-aka-search-stuff-up-help/ 19:36 caroline probably something like koha-rebuild-zebra 19:35 caroline ok, maybe someone else can help you with the specific commands... I've been told my installation is "vintage" and I don't use the same commands as everyone else, ;) 19:34 auvajs caroline: yes 19:33 caroline do you have access to the command line terminal? 19:33 caroline ok so then you need to use zebra to index 19:32 auvajs Use following search engine: Zebra 19:31 caroline I'm only familiar with zebra When you go in administration > Global system preferences > Search engine, what is the option that is selected? 19:30 auvajs I didn't install cirussearch yet, is this needed for indexing? 19:29 caroline make sure you index your stuff though, I'm not getting any results 19:28 caroline (you only have one, so if you do a search with no search term and check Knižnà publikace , you should get everything 19:28 auvajs is there a way how to make this accessible to the public? 19:28 caroline but from here, you can get everything in advanced search and check all the items types 19:27 caroline ah, I was talking about the staff side 19:27 oleonard-away auvajs it's only in the staff interface 19:27 auvajs caroline: http://knihovna.pravnickyslovnik.cz/ this is the library homepage.. maybe I'm blind but I don't see any Go to the item search :O 19:26 oleonard Sorry mtompset I'm interested in giving it a try but I've got to be afk for a while 19:24 caroline Make a report for the Catalogue with no limits, you should get everything 19:24 caroline for the report, it's in Reports > Guided reports 19:24 mtompset But the js code for the webcam stuff runs wrong. 19:23 caroline don't put any limits and click search 19:23 mtompset And that gets dynamically loaded into the modal before it is displayed. 19:23 caroline auvajs: from the home screen, click on Search, it will bring you to Advanced search, but right under the title, it says Go to item search, click on that 19:23 mtompset To make 6815 easier to tweak/modify, I put the modal into its own .pl/.tt combination. 19:22 auvajs caroline: is this in administration only? because I have no clue how to to this on the library homepage 19:22 oleonard Can you elaborate mtompset? 19:21 mtompset I think dynamically loaded html/js via js doesn't run CSS right on mobile. :( 19:20 caroline then you're better with a report 19:20 caroline If you have a lot, the item search might be too slow and/or abort 19:19 caroline or make a report 19:19 caroline you can go in Search > Item search and search for everything 19:19 auvajs btw is there a way how to have a list of all books in the database? 19:18 huginn mtompset: oleonard was last seen in #koha 26 minutes and 35 seconds ago: <oleonard> I wonder if it could be a problem with the encoding setting in Z39.50 server administration? 19:18 mtompset @seen oleonard 19:18 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 9 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <cait> looks misaligned 19:18 mtompset @seen cait 19:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 19:01 caroline good! 19:00 auvajs MARC21/USMARC and it works well :) 18:59 caroline oh, then iso something 18:59 auvajs I dont even have MARC8 option in the server settings 18:58 caroline (I don't trust Z39.50 server information) 18:58 caroline maybe try MARC8 anyway, just to check... 18:56 auvajs the database should be in UTF and I also chose UTF encoding in the server settings 18:54 caroline or maybe the type of MARC, like if you're trying to import UNIMARC? 18:53 caroline my hypothesis too 18:52 oleonard I wonder if it could be a problem with the encoding setting in Z39.50 server administration? 18:51 auvajs oleonard: both in the search window and in Add MARC record page 18:51 caroline that looks like 'raw' MARC, maybe? 18:50 oleonard It looks garbled after importing it? 18:50 auvajs is there a way how to make it human readable? 18:49 auvajs one more question.. when I want to import a book via Z39.50 the data looks totally garbled.. like this: 20090203d2008^^^^m^^y0czey0103^^^^|| 18:25 caroline :) 18:24 auvajs caroline: ok I get this.. thank you :) 18:23 caroline For example, I think transcribing agency is 040$c, maybe 040 is not mandatory, but 040$c is mandatory 18:22 caroline you probably just removed the mandatory flag at the field level and there are still some subfields that are mandatory (or the opposite) 18:21 auvajs caroline: well I tried to make a new framework with no obligatory fields but when I chose this framework and want to create a new unit by importing it.. there are still many mandatory fields 18:21 caroline Search for the field that you want to change, and either edit the field or the subfields, and remove the mandatory flag 18:20 caroline choose your framework, click Actions > MARC structure 18:20 caroline auvajs: Administration > MARC frameworks 18:19 auvajs or actually I want all fields not to be required since I will be mostly importing the records 18:18 auvajs Is there a way how to set up which fields in the marc records are/are not required? I'm unable to save a record because there is some stupid field "Transcribing agency" which I don't want to fill in but in the same way I'm unable to save the record... I need to set this field not required.. 17:33 oleonard ...as a hedge against continued rejection I imagine 17:32 oleonard It is very thorough 17:32 tcohen holy, is it that complicated? 17:30 * oleonard makes it to step 109 of recalls test plan 17:26 tcohen he 17:26 tcohen it is not important but worth mentioning 17:24 tcohen can it set 'https' on the channel subject instead? 17:23 gmcharlt yup 17:23 tcohen who handles huginn? is it gmcharlt ? 15:09 reiveune bye 14:42 ashimema lots covered there 14:42 ashimema well done everyone 14:42 tcohen talljoy++ # TERM3 14:42 ashimema nothing like stepping in at the last minute :P 14:41 tcohen ashimema++ 14:41 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_15_july_2020.2020-07-15-14.07.log.html 14:41 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_15_july_2020.2020-07-15-14.07.txt 14:41 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/development_irc_meeting_15_july_2020.2020-07-15-14.07.html 14:41 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jul 15 14:41:40 2020 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 14:41 ashimema #endmeeting 14:41 ashimema brill.. thanks everyone 14:41 ashimema #info Next meeting: July 29, 2020 19 UTC 14:41 tcohen +1 14:40 talljoy yes 14:40 kidclamp sounds good 14:39 ashimema 19 UTC on 29th? 14:37 ashimema #topic Set time of next meeting 14:37 ashimema Now for the hardest topic.. lol 14:37 ashimema I think that's it on that front 14:37 ashimema #info talljoy has now added "TERM3 - Inclusive language" the guidelines :) 14:36 ashimema even 14:36 ashimema #topic Review of coding guidelines 14:36 cait1 sorry for being late 14:36 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:36 ashimema #info Review of coding guidelines 14:36 ashimema ok.. that'll probably do us 14:35 ashimema #info Bootstrap v4 for OPAC 14:34 ashimema #info bug 20168 is looking for testers 14:34 ashimema #info I'd like to thank people for jumping on accessibility bugs.. they've moved remarkably quickly with them going through SO and QA almost as fast as I can write them :) 14:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 14:34 oleonard Bug 20168 especially 14:33 ashimema bug numbers ;P 14:33 oleonard I have lots of fun patches waiting for signoffs and you should test them :) 14:33 ashimema anyone have anything they wish to raise? 14:32 ashimema #topic General development discussion 14:32 ashimema so.... 14:32 ashimema ok.. that's everything carried forward that needs to be I think 14:32 ashimema #action davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth) 14:32 ashimema awesome :) 14:31 ashimema #action cait to propose discussion about supported browsers at next meeting (IE especially) 14:31 talljoy ashimema: already done. https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#TERM3:_Inclusive_Language 14:31 ashimema carry again as she's not here to defend herself ;) 14:31 ashimema did I miss an email from cait promoting discussion regarding browser support? 14:31 kidclamp and a darn good one too 14:31 wahanui well, cait1 is dding you to the group now too 14:31 oleonard cait1? 14:31 wahanui cait is qa manager 14:31 ashimema cait? 14:30 ashimema #action ashimema to update minimum koha requirements on the website 14:30 ashimema dang.. forgot to update requirements too 14:30 ashimema #action tuxayo - prepare draft update to SQL11 to improve consistency for descriptions in kohastructure files 14:30 ashimema no tuxayo again.. so lets carry that one too 14:30 ashimema #action ashimema to propose a guideline ragarding using direction object notation rather than indirect object notation 14:29 ashimema ok.. so I totally forgot about the direct object notation stuff.. I'll carry that one forward 14:29 ashimema it's recorded now.. so we'll be poking you next meeting if you havent;.. hehe 14:28 ashimema perfect :) 14:28 ashimema #action talljoy to add the guideline as proposed to the official guidelines wiki page 14:28 talljoy will do it! 14:28 ashimema go for it :) 14:28 kidclamp (informal voting) 14:28 kidclamp add it :-) 14:28 talljoy i'm happy to add it to the wiki page 14:27 * ashimema is happy for the later.. I can't see anyone complaining ;) 14:27 ashimema shall we vote on it.. or just add it as is 14:27 ashimema sounds great to me.. 14:27 ashimema #info Use inclusive language that promotes a community where everyone feels they are represented. Avoid terms that express or imply negative ideas that are racist, colonialist, or otherwise biased towards groups of people. Refer to the terminology list for terms to use/avoid. 14:27 ashimema #info Joy send a proposal for an Inclusive language guideline to the mailing lists 14:26 talljoy the email has explanations and resources for those interested in reading more. 14:26 ashimema oops.. shows I missed it.. my bad 14:26 talljoy Example: Instead of using the term blacklist, use deny list which more accurately describes its function. 14:26 talljoy Use inclusive language that promotes a community where everyone feels they are represented. Avoid terms that express or imply negative ideas that are racist, colonialist, or otherwise biased towards groups of people. Refer to the terminology list for terms to use/avoid. 14:26 talljoy TERM3: Inclusive Language 14:26 talljoy i sent the proposal on the koha-devel list. 14:26 talljoy i did! 14:25 ashimema tallerjoy.. did you get any further with terminology guidelines? 14:25 ashimema perhaps we can vote on it next meeting when we are more corate 14:25 ashimema #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#.5BDRAFT.5D_ACC1: All_OPAC_pages_require_a_single.27block.27_with_the_.27.maincontent.27_class Draft Guideline 14:25 ashimema #info Ashimema did a quick draft accessibility guideline to promote the use of `.maincontent` 14:23 ashimema shelving 14:23 ashimema I'm thinking the whole template idea isn't so great at the moment.. I couldn't come up with a good bug report for is so it's perhaps not a worthwhile endeavour at this point 14:23 ashimema #action tuxayo - write a proposal for handing over stable branches 14:23 ashimema ok.. lets role is forward 14:22 ashimema did I see tuxayo around? 14:22 ashimema #topic Actions from last meeting 14:22 ashimema ok 14:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New interface for revamped circulation rules 14:21 ashimema #action ashimema is working on qa for bug 15522 14:20 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha 14:20 oleonard davidnind and I have been slowly testing Bug 19532 14:20 ashimema haha.. I've been working on that today :) 14:20 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables 14:20 ashimema #info Looking for a final QA signoff on bug 20271, tochen and ashimema have both done their testing 14:18 tcohen I also proposed kidclamp and khall_ to work on the circ rules UI revamp on friday 14:18 tcohen that's correct 14:17 ashimema It's had tcohen and I SO on it.. I think we were hoping for one more QA person to check it out? 14:17 tcohen I signed it 14:17 ashimema did we pick the next bug to hit as a group.. where are we at with the table merges bug now 14:17 ashimema haha 14:16 ashimema #info 84 bugs in the queue. 14:16 tcohen hehe 14:16 oleonard ;) 14:16 oleonard Hm, some editorializing... 14:16 ashimema #info QA team are working hard but numbers remain high. 14:15 ashimema hehe 14:15 ashimema anyone else from QA? 14:15 tcohen we are great, working more than ever 14:14 ashimema cait 14:14 ashimema #topic Updates from the QA team 14:14 ashimema that probably covers us ;) 14:14 ashimema #info rmaint is going well, we should be on target for the next releases on July 22nd and string freeze on the 15th 14:13 lukeG1 :) 14:13 lukeG1 Rmaint going well, we should be good to release on July 22 with a string freeze on the 15th 14:12 ashimema your turn lukeG1 ;) 14:12 ashimema #topic Update from the release maintainers 14:12 ashimema #info Joubu will be pushing majors and criticals later today 14:12 ashimema #info RM is on holiday but has assigned tcohen and ashimema for urgent issues and is checking in occasionally 14:11 tcohen Joubu is pushing the majors and critical ones today 14:11 ashimema #topic Updates from the release manager 14:11 ashimema #info Nothing to announce 14:11 ashimema not sure we have any..? 14:10 tcohen jajm 80%? 14:10 ashimema #topic Announcements 14:10 jajm #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre (not 100% there) 14:10 lukeG1 Rmaint going well, we should be good to release on July 22 with a string freeze on the 15th 14:10 kidclamp #info, Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:09 lukeG1 #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions 14:09 wahanui lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!! 14:09 oleonard rmaints? 14:09 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:09 ashimema tuxayo 14:09 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:09 ashimema jajm 14:09 ashimema matts 14:08 ashimema cait lucasg 14:08 ashimema qa team 14:08 talljoy #info Joy Nelson, Bywater Solutions 14:08 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 14:08 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 14:08 oleonard :( 14:08 ashimema #info Please introduce yourselves with #info to appear in the minutes 14:08 wahanui QA team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way 14:08 oleonard QA team? 14:08 ashimema #topic Introductions 14:07 ashimema #info Agenda: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_15_July_2020 14:07 huginn Current chairs: ashimema cait tcohen 14:07 huginn Warning: Nick not in channel: cait 14:07 ashimema #chair cait tcohen 14:07 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_15_july_2020' 14:07 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:07 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 15 14:07:17 2020 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:07 tcohen where were the instructions for chairing? 14:07 ashimema #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 15 July 2020 14:05 ashimema No Joubu again however :( 14:05 ashimema ooh.. about now aint it? 14:04 oleonard That's what I was wondering ashimema 14:04 wahanui somebody said next meeting was https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings 14:04 ashimema next meeting? 14:01 tcohen with the same name 14:00 tcohen drop the database and create an empty one 13:52 auvajs since this is a fresh install maybe I can just delete the databse and run the installer again 13:49 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#Database 13:49 oleonard I don't think there is a tool specifically for dropping and recreating the db, but there is a command that gives you a mysql shell 13:48 auvajs oleonard: cool :) 13:48 * oleonard has visited a few times and loved it 13:47 auvajs oleonard: yes 13:47 auvajs is there some koha tool or do I need to manually delete it in the database? 13:47 oleonard auvajs you're in the Czech Republic? 13:46 auvajs oleonard: ok tnx I'll try this 13:45 oleonard auvajs you may want to drop and recreate the database and re-run the installer 13:45 oleonard auvajs some of the sample data is general, like bibliographic frameworks. Other sample data is really only for testing, like patrons, libraries, etc. 13:44 auvajs oleonard: well yes I checked all the buttons, lol 13:43 oleonard auvajs it sounds like you installed the sample data 13:43 ashimema cait, cait1, cait2.. any of you around? 13:42 auvajs it's a fresh new install! 13:42 auvajs hello.. so I successfully installed koha :) now my first question.. it appears there are several libraries preinstalled. I want to delete them and have only "my" library. I managed to delete some of those that were set by the system but I can't delete some of them - "This library cannot be deleted. Patrons or items are still using it (9 patrons)." .. this is strange since I have no patrons or units at all - 13:16 lmstrand I was just after a simple timestamp with milliseconds 13:15 lmstrand True that :D 13:14 kohaputti lmstrand, what you just said above is not how you are supposed to implement the proxy because it doesn't authenticate individual requests then, and also this is a bit off-topic for #koha 13:10 lmstrand and beyond. 13:08 lmstrand If I spam the sip server with the same message over and over again the processing time grows into over half a second. 13:07 lmstrand the first message to the sip server to process, the one that logs in a sipdevice takes 150ms to process on my pc. 13:05 lmstrand I'm inside a while loop, the one and only connection to the sipserver stays open for as long as the sipserver allows it to stay open. 13:03 lmstrand And the sip server requires a new login from the sip device 13:03 lmstrand It can't be closed, otherwise the session gets closed with the sip server. 13:03 kohaputti you need to close the connection after being done with your business 13:03 kohaputti and that is your issue, isn't it? 13:02 lmstrand But the one that passes messages from my proxy server to the sip server stays open, unless the sip server closes it. 13:01 lmstrand I'm closing the socket connection that the proxy server uses with the api endpoint after the message has been returned from the sip server. 13:00 kohaputti lmstrand, did study socket programming yet? Maybe you are not closing the connection and the amount of available sip server gets to 0 and then it times out and only after that your proxy continues to work 13:00 lmstrand I could just skip the sip server processing altogether and return a dummy value and see if the processing time stays stable. 12:59 lmstrand the problem is either in the api endpoint or in my proxy server 12:59 kohaputti I have not come across such issue with koha's sip2 server, maybe the issue is withing your proxy program? 12:59 lmstrand My script is separate from koha plugins 12:58 lmstrand I don't think I can use that in my case. 12:57 lmstrand it takes too long to handle multiple concurrent inputs and the time it takes to handle the requests just grows and grows. 12:57 kohaputti profiling is useful for optimizing your code but are you after that or something else 12:56 kohaputti lmstrand, why? 12:55 tcohen https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Profiling_with_Devel::NYTProf 12:55 lmstrand I want to see how long my proxy server handles incoming SIP calls for. 12:55 lmstrand yes 12:54 tcohen are you trying to profile some Koha script/code? 12:54 lmstrand I want to see how much time has passed after stuff is finished. 12:53 lmstrand to console 12:50 tcohen "printed"? 12:48 lmstrand Would any of you happen to know an easy way to get a time stamp printed in a me-friendly form like 12:36:07::xxx with milliseconds? 12:40 auvajs tcohen: well I run some other software/websites on the server, not only Koha 12:40 tcohen sudo cpanm -i Locale::Language@2.07 12:40 tcohen you can try 12:40 auvajs in this phase it's still possible for me to delete the VM instance and start all over, it will only take couple minutes 12:39 tcohen the wiki you pasted, it has a supported OS list 12:39 tcohen anyway, Koha is tested in Ubuntu as well 12:39 tcohen it is just that us devs test all the time on Debian 12:38 tcohen fair enough, I like it as well 12:38 auvajs well been using Ubuntu since more than 10 years and been totally used to it :) 12:37 tcohen if I was you, I would actually pick Debian 9 12:37 auvajs or if you think that starting all over with Ubuntu 20.04 would be easier I may give it a try as well 12:35 auvajs tcohen: it shows some errors but I'll try to follow the instructions they suggest there 12:33 tcohen he 12:33 tcohen sorry Locale::Language 12:33 tcohen $ sudo cpanm -i Language::Locale 12:32 tcohen $ sudo apt install cpanminus 12:32 tcohen ok 12:32 auvajs libintl-perl allready installed 12:32 tcohen and this is a packaging bug probably 12:31 tcohen try installing libintl-perl 12:31 auvajs I'm using Google Cloud Platform and I think thay didn't have 20.04 for the zone/region I needed 12:30 tcohen wait 12:30 tcohen $ sudo apt install cpanminus 12:30 tcohen so I suggest you do 12:30 tcohen I don't find it packaged for 19.10 12:29 tcohen the latter, if you cannot pick an LTS 12:29 tcohen - That you manually install the library 12:29 tcohen - That you install on an LTS release (20.04) 12:28 tcohen I suggest 12:27 auvajs https://termbin.com/ibmi 12:27 tcohen apt show koha-common 12:26 auvajs cohen* sorry for the typo 12:26 tcohen right 12:26 auvajs tcohgen: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 12:26 tcohen apt show koha-common 12:26 tcohen so 12:26 tcohen you most probably installed using a Debian repository 12:25 tcohen what instructions have you been following? 12:25 auvajs what's the command for koha version please? :) 12:24 tcohen go on 12:24 auvajs Ubuntu 19.10 12:24 tcohen if this is a packages install, it should be installed automatically, hence I repeat: what Ubuntu and Koha versions? 12:23 tcohen mtj will be interested in the Ubuntu version, and the Koha version 12:23 oleonard Only Locale::Language is required to continue 12:23 auvajs tcohen: https://i.postimg.cc/0yqfc1rK/screen01.jpg 12:22 tcohen ^^ those shouldn't block an install 12:22 tcohen https://snipboard.io/sqDlij.jpg 12:22 tcohen Ubuntu? What version? Is it supported? etc 12:21 tcohen is this a packages install? 12:21 tcohen that one shouldn't prevent the install process, specifically 12:21 tcohen tell us more 12:21 auvajs tcohen: well most importantly I can't continue the installation process 12:20 tcohen Ah, it doesn't say it on the UI! 12:20 tcohen auvajs don't worry about those that say they are used for testing purposes 12:20 auvajs could somebody help me please? 12:18 auvajs Hello. I'm new to koha, trying to install it on Ubuntu server. I followed the instructions and installed the software, but when I log in to the Web installer, it shows several Perl modules missing. This is strange since for example the first one is HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench but I installed it meanwhile 12:15 oleonard Hi tcohen 12:13 tcohen morning 11:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25992 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , SIP2 server doesn't start - Undefined subroutine set_logger 11:42 kohaputti I submitted the fix now for SIP2 server crash: Bug 25992 – would be nice if someone could sign-off and qa it asap so people can move forward testing other sip2 patches that are waiting QA/sign-off 11:40 kohaputti git-bz cannot handle bug reports with utf-8 chars in title :D 11:25 wahanui hi oleopard 11:25 kidclamp hi oleonard 11:23 oleonard Hi all 10:42 kohaputti khall_, I'm puzzled how you have been submitting patches for SIP2 server and not come across this, or did you hack your way through? 10:30 ashimema hehe 10:27 cait1 ah shoudl read all the things, you could too 10:27 cait1 ashimema: maybe tcohen could - i think he pushed something already... so barrier might be lower :) 10:20 kohaputti ok, updated koha now on multiple machines from a version before the refactoring and all have the same issue 10:11 kohaputti nope, it fails even on installed debian package 10:08 kohaputti I think I have had this code working on ubuntu 20.04 machine 10:06 kohaputti The C4::SIP::Logger module doesn't export get_logger and set_logger 10:06 huginn Bug 15253: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Add Koha::Logger based logging for SIP2 10:06 kohaputti turns out the issue with sip2 server was within koha / the refactoring of SIP2 logging: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15253#c102 09:13 * ashimema is tempted to jump in and fix the automicupdate that's hanging around 09:13 ashimema he's vaguely around now and then.. if there's something urgent tochen and I still have push rights on master and permission from Joubu to push anything important ;) 09:10 kohaputti ok, thanks for the info 09:09 ashimema Joubu is on his holidays 09:09 ashimema no worries 09:09 ashimema well.. it's an 18.11 I use and then run updatedatabase ;) 09:09 kohaputti has Joubu been around, btw? 09:08 kohaputti (I'm guessing your local test dataset is for master) 09:08 ashimema perhaps 09:08 kohaputti but maybe there has been some new db changes in master. 09:08 ashimema think I'll give up 09:08 ashimema hmm 09:07 kohaputti ah well, this patch set doesn't look to have any db specific changes so maybe it shouldn't matter here 09:04 * ashimema is not using misc3dev for this.. testing using a local test dataset 09:04 kohaputti ashimema, but the patches in the bug are totally different? 09:03 kohaputti ashimema, I remember the patchset that preceded this required specific version of misc_tools... Anyway, easiest way to debug is probably check why it doesn't load or just wait for joubu to rebase to current master 09:03 ashimema I'll try applying the bug instead.. though I bet there will be conflicts 09:02 ashimema yeah.. I checked out the branch and reset everything 08:52 nlegrand Bonjour #koha ! 08:50 ashimema brb.. meeting 08:50 kohaputti (with koha specific paths) 08:49 kohaputti figured out my problem with koha-testing-docker, the kohadev-koha user doesn't have PERL5LIB set 08:43 kohaputti ashimema, also maybe those testers used the patches that lari had signed off and added followups for... 08:42 kohaputti I mean https://gitlab.com/joubu/Koha/commits/bug_15522 08:42 kohaputti ashimema, so you checked out the new branch and did reset_all? 08:41 ashimema there's feedback coming in on the bottom of the bug.. so they must be running it somehow :( 08:40 ashimema or maybe there's another branch now.. I'll dig down the comments 08:40 kohaputti last update 5 months ago? 08:40 ashimema I thought Joubu had maintained his branch 08:40 kohaputti maybe the patches just don't work anymore 08:40 ashimema I just wanted to take a quick look at it. 08:39 ashimema lol.. I hadn't even looked at the status ;) 08:39 kohaputti we should mark the patches in the bug report obsolete if that is the case 08:39 kohaputti ashimema, the status "Signed off" is wrong? I think it was added when lari tested the patches attached to the bug report, but those are not the ones that we want to use 08:35 ashimema forever 08:35 ashimema I've just checked out the branch.. but all I see in the circ rules page is 'Loading, please wait...' 08:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New interface for revamped circulation rules 08:34 ashimema how does one test bug 15522 ? 08:30 kohaputti Undefined subroutine &C4::SIP::SIPServer::set_logger called at /kohadevbox/koha/C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm line 106. 08:29 kohaputti anybody gotten SIP server work in koha-testing-docker? For me it starts but doesn't accept any connections 06:43 reiveune hello 05:14 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21468 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Plugins need hooks for checkin and checkout actions. 05:14 tcohen bug 21468 05:14 tcohen anyone for a quick SO? 03:18 alexbuckley ahh ok thanks for that! 03:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24909 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to oldstable , Add unprivileged route to get a bibliographic record 03:17 tcohen bug 24909 03:17 tcohen and there's an OPAC counterpart 03:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23677 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Add API route to get a bibliographic record 03:17 tcohen it was bug 23677 03:16 tcohen on that one I just added the $record->as_formatted output 03:08 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24908 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Allow fetching text-formatted MARC data 03:08 alexbuckley good to know :) you added it in bug 24908 ? 03:06 tcohen so it is one to rely on 03:05 tcohen that one, specifically, won't probably change in a long time 03:05 tcohen the more we use the APIs the more we find the design issues and make them mature 03:04 alexbuckley it certainly does sound way simpler than loads of xslt files to maintain! 03:02 tcohen when I wrote the /biblios route for fetching in various formats I was targeting this use case 03:02 tcohen the cool thing about APIs, is that you can get creative and use them for whatever you want 03:01 alexbuckley ah so its basically an alternative to customising and maintaining XSLT's? 03:01 tcohen all 03:01 tcohen we don't like XSLT at al 03:01 tcohen :-D 03:01 tcohen we don't like maintaining XSLTs 03:00 tcohen in Theke we are starting to leverage on the API as much as we can 03:00 alexbuckley oh interesting, I've never done any work with that before, I'll look into it. thanks so much for your help! 02:58 tcohen as you can fetch the MARC-in-JSON record and just traverse it to get the data 02:58 tcohen for a ByWater partner 02:58 tcohen lukeG did a great job using the API to render stuffs on the detail view 02:57 tcohen right 02:56 alexbuckley as far as I can see xslt doesn't display it now, but it is visible in 'Description' tab in staff client 02:55 tcohen extra work == does the XSLT include it already? 02:55 alexbuckley true! I'd only want it visible in the staff client 02:54 tcohen ^.^ 02:54 tcohen (unless you play with GET /api/v1/biblios/:biblio_id and JS 02:53 tcohen maybe it means extra work if you need to display it on the UI 02:53 alexbuckley 590 looks to be indexed too which is a plus 02:53 aleisha ah true 02:53 alexbuckley ahh 590$a perhaps 02:52 tcohen I think you should pick a 59X (local notes) 02:51 tcohen those are authority record notes 02:51 tcohen LOL 02:51 tcohen Joubu is AFK for some more days, get it through QA and I'll push it :-P 02:51 alexbuckley ah thanks aleisha 02:51 alexbuckley its a marc21 question tcohen 02:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha 02:50 aleisha yes tcohen bug 19532 02:50 aleisha alexbuckley: https://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ad667.html ? 02:50 tcohen aleisha recalls? 02:50 tcohen or is it item notes? 02:50 tcohen alexbuckley are you asking MARC21 questions? 02:49 tcohen hola 00:37 alexbuckley hi all, a quick question. I want to enter a non-public note on a biblio record but don't want to have to add it to each individual item as you'd have to do using the 952$x. Is there an alternative suitabl marc subfield I could add a nonpublic note too?