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01:25 mtj @later tell tcohen: the nightly packages are now signed, perhaps we can remove the 'deb [trusted=yes]' from the apt line in ktd and kdb
01:25 huginn mtj: The operation succeeded.
02:40 aleisha_ hey team can someone please help me with some encoding problems?
02:44 aleisha_ my MARC record has M\x{101}ori instead of MÄori
03:30 mtj hi aleisha_, have a look here.. https://perldoc.perl.org/utf8.html
03:30 aleisha_ thanks mtj but i figured it out!
03:30 mtj my $str ="M\x{101}ori";
03:30 mtj utf8::encode($str);
03:30 mtj print $str;
03:31 mtj ah cool :)
06:17 reiveune hello
06:31 dcook aleisha_: That's interesting. Just bad data?
06:31 * dcook waves at reiveune
06:49 dcook hey lmstrand
06:49 dcook I added a bunch more comments on your Bugzilla heh
06:50 dcook Partially inspired by jajm / jajm_
06:50 ashimema mornin'
06:50 lmstrand yea I'm just reading it.
06:50 dcook heya ashimema
06:50 wahanui it has been said that ashimema is literally just writing up the release anouncement ;)
06:50 lmstrand mornin'
06:51 ashimema 3 minutes of geek: https://youtu.be/VIlBO96g4Zk
06:51 dcook Oh man I haven't watched one of these in ages
06:51 dcook Is "Gource" a typo? or is it GeekSource?
06:52 ashimema Not sure what tempted me.. I found the 10 year one and decided to run one for now.
06:52 ashimema I aim to polish it a bit.. music and parsing our history file
06:52 ashimema and the labels need some tweaking
06:53 ashimema never heard of GeekSource
06:53 dcook I was looking for myself in there but then got hypontized heh
06:53 ashimema the app used to create it is call Gource
06:53 dcook Oh I was just joking
06:53 dcook Ahhh cool
06:53 ashimema lol
06:53 * dcook isn't funny
06:53 dcook Sometimes I'll say I'm funny and my kid will say "no you're not dad"
06:54 dcook I can't tell if that's a compliment or an insult yet
06:54 dcook Like maybe "funny" was interpreted as weird rather than amusing..
06:54 dcook >_>
06:54 ashimema lol
06:54 ashimema know that feeling
06:58 dcook Well end of Friday work day for me. Good luck everyone :D
06:58 ashimema have a good weekend :)
06:58 alex_a Bonjour
09:14 alex_a Joubu, around ?
09:31 ashimema He's not around allot at the minute.. travelling
09:34 alex_a ashimema, can you tell me what is the goal of the commit "Add new method Acq::Invoice::Adjustement->fund" on bug 24157 you signed off ?
09:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24157 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Additional acquisitions permissions
09:35 alex_a This new method is not used right ?
09:37 ashimema one tick.. let me remind myself ;)
09:38 ashimema ah.. I just added someones SO line when it didn't work via the ptfs-e sandboxes for some reason
09:38 ashimema Galway contacted me to SO for them
09:39 ashimema just taking a look at the patches
09:40 ashimema hmm. you're right though.. does look odd to include it in this patchset
09:41 ashimema Joubu was doing lots of inter-related bugs.. I bet it crept into this set from another one.
09:43 ashimema looks like a useful method for the future.. but yeah.. no need for it here.
09:48 alex_a Merci ashimema :)
10:15 cait1 hm can someone explain the use case of voiding paymentsß
10:15 cait1 ?
10:16 cait1 it looks like the payment is gone, but the "amount outstanding" remains the same, so it just seems to affect the payment, not the lines paid with it?
10:17 cait1 ok, i see the issue
10:17 cait1 the issue is old payments that are not linked to the accountlines
10:22 * ashimema struggles a bit with the concept of 'void' payments..
10:22 ashimema it's basically an 'reverse what I just did' action I believe.. that uses offsets to do it..
10:22 cait1 yeah but in old transactions there are no offsets
10:23 ashimema indeed
10:23 cait1 and we still show the link to void
10:23 davidnind In accounting terms, it's a bit like saying this was entered in error and should be removed, but you want a record that it happened
10:23 cait1 so when it ested with those, ti was confusing
10:23 cait1 a little dangerous too
10:23 ashimema well.. we try to build them wherever we can in more recent releases..
10:23 ashimema that's part of the work I did.. some scary DB updates
10:23 cait1 i know, but most our libraries predate the reawakening of offsets :)
10:23 cait1 so somepretty old test data on my accounts too
10:23 ashimema there's also a patch in my queue to test.. 'cancel' charges
10:24 cait1 yeah
10:24 cait1 wondering about the difference
10:24 cait1 we should make it clear for docs too
10:24 ashimema which I believe sort of does the same thing but with charges instead of patyments..
10:24 ashimema only the logic doesn't match entirely
10:24 ashimema I was intending to update 'void' to allow for both at some point.. but it appears someone beat me to adding that cancel method
10:27 ashimema hmm
10:27 ashimema prove t/db_dependent/Koha/Account.t passes for me on master cait?
10:27 ashimema it's a little messy.. but it does pass
10:28 cait1 where did i say it does not?
10:28 cait1 too many bugs
10:28 ashimema bug 19036
10:28 wahanui bug 19036 is a nice one which I can't QA however ;)
10:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19036 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, BLOCKED , Number payment receipts / payment slips
10:31 ashimema in fact..
10:31 ashimema it passes on the bug for me too
10:31 ashimema are you sure you ran the db update first ;)
10:36 cait1 it failed on master - maybe it got fixed?
10:37 ashimema perhaps.. can't say I've seen it fail to be honest
10:37 cait1 i can try again, can you change status to push it back int he queue please?
10:37 ashimema done
10:37 cait1 thx!
10:37 ashimema :)
10:47 ashimema hmm
10:47 ashimema I'm really wondering about the logic of VOID and CANCEL now
10:48 ashimema In the majority of cases now we finally have consistent double entry accounting..
10:51 ashimema jajm around?
10:57 jajm ashimema, yes
10:57 ashimema Just commenting on bug 24603
10:57 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to cancel charges in patron accounting
10:58 ashimema I feel like it introduces a new inconsistency in our accounting system.. I'm not against the feature but might adopt it and implement it with detailed recording (double-entry accounting style)
10:58 ashimema did you have a customer after it.. is there some specific requirements I should be aware of..
10:58 ashimema hope I'm not treading on toes
11:01 jajm ashimema, it was a client request yes, and i did not ask myself many questions on the implementation, just followed what existed for the 'void payment' feature
11:01 ashimema commented
11:01 jajm i'd be happy to change the implementation if needed, but i don't understand what would need to be changed
11:01 ashimema did they specifically only want to allow cancellation of charges prior to their payment/partial payment?
11:01 ashimema I'm happy to do the work.. still have my head in the game with accounts
11:02 ashimema just want to make sure I'm not breaking a specific requirement
11:02 ashimema I'll add some patches to the bug... then you'll be able to see what I mean
11:05 jajm client request was not very specific, it was something like 'same as void payment, but for charges'
11:10 ashimema brill
11:11 ashimema leave it with me.. :)
11:13 ashimema the more I think about it the more like it just feels like a special case of 'Issue refund'
11:23 oleonard o/
11:27 TimothyAlexis Hey, I'm looking at cleanup_database.pl and tried running it manually with --fees 1
11:28 TimothyAlexis I have also tried to see if there is any bug report about it.
11:29 ashimema mornin' oleonard
11:29 TimothyAlexis Is there something I need to think about when running this?
11:29 ashimema any thoughts on the rapidly expanding list of 'Actions' on the transactions table under accounts from a UX perspective?
11:30 oleonard ashimema: Currently we're breaking with established patterns by having as many as three buttons. Usually we'd put those into a menu.
11:31 ashimema indeed.. that's what I was thinking
11:31 ashimema just another bug for me to add to the pile.. lol
11:31 ashimema I don't like that view much already
11:33 TimothyAlexis ashimema, tuxayo: I talked to my colleagues about accessibility planning and Ã…sa Forsberg will write to Katrin Fischer to promote cooperation, as I have 3 weeks of holiday.
11:38 ashimema :)
11:38 TimothyAlexis What do I need to do to get this to work? cleanup_database.pl --fees 1
11:40 TimothyAlexis --fees DAYS purge entries accountlines older than DAYS days, where amountoutstanding is 0 or NULL. In the case of --fees, DAYS must be greater than or equal to 1
11:41 TimothyAlexis 130 entries remain in accountlines table with amountoutstanding = 0
11:45 ashimema hmm
11:46 ashimema perhaps run it without the --confirm (assuming that one requires confirm).. but prepend it with `DBIC_TRACE=1 DBIC_TRACE_PROFILE=console`
11:46 ashimema that'll spit out the SQL queries it's using
11:46 ashimema I think
11:49 TimothyAlexis I ran it with --verbose and got:
11:49 TimothyAlexis Purging records from accountlines.
11:49 TimothyAlexis Done purging records from accountlines.
11:50 TimothyAlexis How do I prepend that?
11:55 ashimema literally put it before you execute the command
11:55 ashimema `DBIC_TRACE=1 DBIC_TRACE_PROFILE=console ./cleanup_database.pl --whatever`
12:04 tcohen morning
12:07 oleonard Hi tcohen
12:07 tcohen hey oleonard
12:07 wahanui somebody said oleonard was happy for ashimema to write the release script
12:10 oleonard All of wahanui's knowledge of us centers around release scripts.
12:23 tcohen tcohen?
12:23 wahanui you are the man you want to thank
12:23 tcohen well, I haven't released anything for a while it seems LOL
12:23 * tcohen feels left apart
12:25 oleonard tcohen: If you want to release something I'm sure it can be arranged in a few months ;)
12:25 TimothyAlexis Thank you ashimema
13:10 eythian hi
13:23 ashimema jajm did the customer have a clear use for cancel vs writeoff?
13:24 ashimema we're going to end up with lots of very similar actions.. 'Writeoff', 'Cancel', 'Discount', 'Refund'
13:24 ashimema I suppose they all sort of make sense.
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14:43 caroline Dumb question: is it possible to manually transfer an item to another library without it having to be sent back as soon as it is checked in to "receive" the transfer?
14:43 caroline I don't necessarily want to change the circ rules, I just want to transfer some items from library A to library B
14:44 oleonard I think you'd have to update the home location
14:44 oleonard ...if the circ rule doesn't say the item type should float
14:44 caroline ok
14:50 caroline I don't know why I thought if you made a transfer, it could stay at the destination library until it was checked out
14:51 caroline without changing the rule for everything in circ rules
14:51 oleonard caroline: I think one could argue that it *should* work that way.
14:52 oleonard Otherwise there's not really a point to the transfer system... unless you're worried about "contaminating" your check-in stats.
14:59 caroline I'm thinking of a particular client, a school board with ~60 schools, which at the beginning of each year loan out thousands of textbooks, and they'd have to transfer some from one school to another to meet the demand of more populous schools....
15:00 caroline I wouldn't necessarily want them to have to change the home branch, because eventually the books would have to return to their home branch
15:00 caroline and I don't want to have the whole collection float
15:01 caroline I would want to transfer the items, have them checked out at the other school, and then when they are checked in, they return to their home branch
15:01 caroline does that make sense?
15:02 oleonard Yes
15:03 reiveune bye
15:27 lukeG Hi oleonard, got a question about bz12093 which I pushed to 20.05 but then reverted on cait's request. Now it should be OK to backport bz12093 AND bz25804, right?
15:38 caroline lukeG: I suggest you ask your question again, it seems oleonard was out :)
15:41 lukeG I tested it and all seems well, but I can make sure!
15:41 lukeG Hi oleonard, got a question about bz12093 which I pushed to 20.05 but then reverted on cait's request. Now it should be OK to backport bz12093 AND bz25804, right?
15:44 cait1 bug 12093
15:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12093 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, david.roberts, Pushed to stable , Add CSS classes to item statuses in detail view
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16:42 ashimema bug 22393 back at you cait :)
16:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22393 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Remove last remaining manualinvoice use
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17:44 oleonard Sorry lukeG, was afk
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17:46 lukeG no worries oleonard, I backported bz12093 AND bz25804 and everything seems fine to me!
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18:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:12 mtompset @seen oleonard
18:12 huginn mtompset: oleonard was last seen in #koha 28 minutes and 15 seconds ago: <oleonard> Sorry lukeG, was afk
18:13 mtompset oleonard, if you are here, I was wondering if I could pick your brain on how to get the last few feet on the bug 6815 problem.
18:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , Capture member photo via webcam
18:13 mtompset I actually have it updating it in the DB correctly now, but the page needs to refresh in order to see the change.
18:16 oleonard mtompset are you talking about a newer patch than what is on the bug right now?
18:16 mtompset Any ideas?
18:16 mtompset I took what was there...
18:16 mtompset and kept going.
18:16 mtompset I have the modal close after clicking "Take picture".
18:17 mtompset But the main page doesn't show the picture.
18:17 mtompset I refresh the page. The picture is now correct.
18:17 mtompset How do I force that image to reload?
18:19 mtompset Here... let me push up what I have thus far.
18:20 oleonard mtompset: Googling a little suggests that updating the image src with a timestamp query string might do it
18:20 oleonard image.jpg?random="+new Date().getTime();
18:21 mtompset but the same things suggest that will fill the cache.
18:24 mtompset I've pushed up my next step onto the bug.
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18:32 mtompset OH! Idea! change the src twice!
18:33 oleonard mtompset I think it would be good to take the picture, display it, and the offer the option to re-take or save.
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18:34 oleonard mtompset I notice that after taking the picture the browser (and my webcam) still indicate that the camera is active.
18:41 mtompset Let me see if I can deal with that.
18:42 mtompset As for the retake... click take again -- once the refresh the image portion works.
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19:12 mtompset Okay webcam should turn off now.
19:13 mtompset Still have the last few feet problem: refresh the image.
19:15 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
19:15 wahanui Congratulations!
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19:17 mtompset okay, bleep it. We'll bleep it hard. reload everything! bwhahahaha!
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19:28 mtompset Greetings, khall.
19:29 * mtompset laughs, "I was just being friendly!"
19:29 mtompset oleonard, Feel free to checkout bug 6815 now.
19:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Capture member photo via webcam
20:59 * caroline is still feeling revolutionary, typing commie instead of commit...
21:12 davidnind lol! (setup a git alias and you can be a revolutionary for ever)
23:35 mtompset davidnind++ # humorous idea. :)
23:38 davidnind :)