Time Nick Message 23:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #251: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/251/ 23:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #254: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/254/ 23:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #247: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/247/ 23:35 wahanui Congratulations! 23:35 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 23:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #250: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/250/ 23:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #253: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/253/ 23:16 tuxayo Part of the contact emails might not be valid anymore ^^ 23:10 oleonard I am amused at the thought of long gone bug-filers getting updates to bugs years later. 20:44 wahanui hi oleopard 20:44 aleisha hi oleonard 20:44 oleonard Hi aleisha 20:38 wahanui what's up, aleisha 20:38 aleisha hi 20:36 caroline ashimema: can you generate the minutes? 20:34 davidnind no problem Marie-Luce (you get to read the minutes!) 20:33 Marie-Luce my apologies for the doc meeting. I'm really sorry 20:29 davidnind no problem - the joy of meetings! 20:28 ashimema Too many meetings. Sorry I missed this one 20:03 davidnind contemplates to do list, goes back to procrastinating :) 20:03 davidnind a miracle, we kept it under an hour (just!) 20:02 tuxayo thanks folks! 20:02 tuxayo davidnind++ 20:02 lucyvh Thanks everyone 20:02 davidnind thanks everyone! 20:02 caroline davidnind++++ 20:01 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020.2020-07-02-19.04.log.html 20:01 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020.2020-07-02-19.04.txt 20:01 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020.2020-07-02-19.04.html 20:01 huginn Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 20:01:52 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 20:01 davidnind #endmeeting 20:01 davidnind #info Next meeting: 13 August 2020, 19:00 UTC? 20:01 davidnind we'll do that then 20:01 caroline 13 would be good for me 20:00 davidnind we can do a week later 20:00 caroline I'll probably be on vacation, but I don't mind missing one meeting 20:00 davidnind as long as this time still suits everyone, 6 August 2020, 19:00 UTC? 19:58 cait ok thx caroline 19:58 cait yes 19:58 davidnind #topic Set time of next meeting 19:56 tuxayo cait: you mean the English manual has the old syspref name? 19:56 caroline if you have time, just patch, if you can't patch right away and don't want to forget, file in bz 19:55 cait can i just patch or should i always file? 19:55 tuxayo :( 19:55 tuxayo make: *** No rule to make target 'time'. Stop. 19:55 tuxayo ~ â¯â¯â¯ make time ✘ 1 19:54 cait where do i report? taiga or bugzilla? 19:54 cait my new coworker is currently proof reading the German translation and has found some cases where the sysprefs have been renamed 19:54 caroline https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/epic/1117 19:54 * cait wishes there was ways to 'make' more time in a day 19:53 davidnind caroline++ 19:53 caroline I'm working through taiga, trying to get as much in as possible while I have time 19:53 caroline I checked the release notes for 20.11 last week I think and there wasn't much there yet, so continue on 20.05 19:52 davidnind over to you caroline... 19:52 davidnind #topic Next steps 19:51 * thd should have left for work 10 min. ago. 19:50 * tuxayo did nothing 19:50 davidnind any other content development guideline things? 19:50 davidnind thanks tuxayo! 19:49 tuxayo main is great as it's still gives a good meaning to the branch so that's a good change as it should fit everyone. 19:49 tuxayo That really depends of the culture, the relationship with language changes. (though some are more problematic that others) 19:49 tuxayo > master slave as used in tech context is not good 19:49 davidnind #action davidnind to open issue to change repository branch naming and advise documentation list in advance and once done 19:48 davidnind #info agreed to change terminology to be more inclusive (master ==> main) 19:47 davidnind just to make sure we get it right 19:47 davidnind I can check with rangi just to make sure - will add as an issues in GitLab 19:47 cait davidnind++ 19:46 caroline in .git/config or something 19:46 davidnind I'll experiment with anther repository to make sure it works, then do and let everyone know 19:46 caroline yeah, I was just thinking that 19:46 cait or maybe not - i really don't know, but i have seen other projects have been doing it 19:46 cait i think people will also have to do something with their local repos 19:46 cait same 19:46 caroline I don't feel comfortable doing it though, afraid I'll mees up everything 19:45 lucyvh Agreed, should be changed 19:44 caroline then sure, we can change it 19:44 davidnind no, that seems fine 19:44 cait i guess you also can explain it better 19:44 cait sorry! 19:44 davidnind beat me to it! 19:44 cait master slave as used in tech context is not good 19:44 caroline makes sense 19:44 caroline ah! 19:44 cait inclusive language 19:43 caroline what is the purpose? 19:43 davidnind git branch names - do we change master to main? (sounds like it is easy to do https://www.hanselman.com/blog/EasilyRenameYourGitDefaultBranchFromMasterToMain.aspx) 19:42 davidnind I seem to be giving myself more things to do! 19:41 davidnind #action davidnind to come back with documentation style guide suggestions for next next meeting for discussion (to send around for discussion before) 19:41 davidnind the microsoft style guide covers a lot more, such as desktop applications, so not quite as relevant 19:40 tuxayo +1 19:40 davidnind since google things are web-based, and Koha is, I thought it would make a bit more sense 19:39 caroline davidnind++ 19:39 caroline cool 19:39 * cait agrees 19:39 lucyvh Good idea to base it on an existing standard 19:39 davidnind #info Contractions such as don't do not cause problems for translation 19:38 davidnind I'll come back by next meeting with some suggestions, was going to base on google developer guide for (Apache 2 licenced) so we can use (https://developers.google.com/style/) 19:37 cait it should be fine 19:36 cait as long as we format somewhat consistently 19:36 cait i thin if it stands out too much, we could still apply some css :) 19:36 davidnind I think so 19:36 caroline bold is **? 19:36 caroline ok we can do bold... maybe not retroactively, but like capitalization, correct them when you see them 19:34 cait Germany uses double 19:34 davidnind I have a list of things to propose, for interface elements was going to suggest bold, such as Click OK <== OK would be bolded 19:34 cait similar here 19:34 cait i tihnk i copied that style from some technical documentation books 19:34 caroline So far, I've mostly used single quotes, but I'm very used to using double in real life so I might mix them up 19:34 cait probably a little late for the manual :) I think so 19:33 caroline so that means using *? 19:33 cait seriously, i thin a lot of quotes often make things harder to read, i prefer italic for things 'written in the gui' in my docs 19:33 caroline lol! just making it more complicated 19:33 cait :) 19:33 cait i like italic 19:33 cait ah 19:33 cait to use double or single for quoting? 19:33 caroline Do we write "button" or 'button' for example 19:32 caroline I'd still like to eventually have a guideline 19:32 davidnind excellent, so we can leave as is for the manual as is 19:32 cait but i think that's nothing we need to worry about for the manual whatsoever 19:32 cait yep 19:32 tuxayo Yeah, avoiding " is for JS 19:32 cait if you have double quote outside, double quotes inside can cause issues 19:31 cait in html it doesn't matter 19:31 cait it's probably the javascript case 19:31 tuxayo " seems to be a problem 19:31 cait yep, in general quotes should be fine 19:31 tuxayo https://koha-fr.org/traduction-conseils-generaux/ 19:30 caroline In french I know the « » cause problems, but " and ' are ok 19:30 cait string "don't" works, but 'don't' wouldn't - but as I said, coding guidelines should help with that 19:29 cait we have a coding guideline that double quotes sohuld be used around strings, so we can have the single quotes for french and the short forms inside 19:29 cait there is only one problem i can think of, but we prevent it with a coding guideline 19:29 davidnind thanks cait! 19:28 cait no 19:28 tuxayo «contractions such as don't vs do not - do they create issues for translation?» 19:28 cait i am probably too slow readin back - was there a question? 19:28 caroline in French it's not a problem 19:27 caroline afaik, they don't break the translating system, but I don't know if specific languages have problems with it 19:27 wahanui tuxayo: i'm not following you... 19:27 tuxayo wahanui: liar! 19:27 wahanui meeting is over :) 19:27 cait oh meeting? 19:27 cait I am awake! 19:27 davidnind I was under the impression they do (from reading other project's style guides), but we use them a lot with the system preferences 19:27 wahanui cait is really good at running into things 19:27 caroline cait? 19:26 caroline not in my case 19:26 tuxayo I would guess not. 19:25 davidnind contractions such as don't vs do not - do they create issues for translation? 19:25 davidnind thanks 19:24 lucyvh The new theme looks great btw 19:24 davidnind #topic Content development guidelines 19:24 davidnind no worries 19:24 davidnind I can only do one thing at a time, if I'm lucky 19:24 lucyvh I haven't been able to do much recently I'm afraid 19:23 davidnind multitasking again! 19:23 tuxayo hi o/ 19:23 davidnind only us today... 19:23 caroline hi lucyvh! 19:23 lucyvh I am here just sorting dinner at the same time! 19:23 davidnind hi lucyvh! 19:22 tuxayo Looks more Koha-ish :) 19:22 davidnind I'll see if I can fix that 19:22 lucyvh Hi there all 19:22 caroline Maybe the 20.11 is not very visible though 19:22 caroline yes, it looks great! 19:22 davidnind wasn't sure about changing the colour to green in the top left corner, but looks okay I think 19:21 caroline It looks really good https://koha-community.org/manual/20.11/en/html/ 19:20 tuxayo davidnind++ 19:20 davidnind #action davidnind to update manual theme for 20.05, 19.11 and 19.05 19:20 davidnind it is easy to do 19:19 caroline but if not, we'll just wait for 20.11 19:19 caroline If it's possible to do them all easily, yes 19:18 davidnind hi lucyvh! 19:18 davidnind I updated the theme for 20.11 as well, do you think we should do this for the older versions? 19:17 davidnind working on testing patches helps a little 19:17 davidnind I seem to master it, don't do anything for while, then I can't remember basic commands! 19:16 davidnind I've been playing around with the structure, but nothing to share yet 19:16 caroline and still learning to manage git 19:15 davidnind easy to forget 19:14 caroline I'm still trying to get used to not forgetting to cherry-pick to 20.05 19:14 davidnind great 19:14 davidnind caroline++ 19:14 caroline I've had some time to work on docs so I'm trying to catch up 19:14 davidnind and lots more tasks added to Taiga :-D 19:13 davidnind For whats been done, lost of activity over the last month - Caroline, Kelly, Alexander 19:11 davidnind aprt from that, nothing more to add 19:11 davidnind For git guide, have been looking at other projects do - a post to the development list didn't have any ideas on how we could improve the git process (https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2020-June/045802.html) 19:09 davidnind Installation guide - have an outline from existing install guides, so starting to copy and paste content in now 19:08 davidnind For me, I've been working slowly on a couple of them 19:08 caroline not from me 19:07 davidnind Any project updates? 19:07 davidnind I managed to get through my action points from the last meeting! 19:07 davidnind Looks like only a few of us today :) 19:06 davidnind #topic Updates 19:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [mostly absent as I prepare to go to work] 19:05 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Canada 19:05 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 19:04 davidnind #topic Introductions 19:04 davidnind #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_2_July_2020 19:04 davidnind chair caroline 19:04 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020' 19:04 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:04 huginn Meeting started Thu Jul 2 19:04:15 2020 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04 davidnind #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020 19:03 caroline davidnind++ 19:03 davidnind I'm happy to relinquish that role today :) 19:03 wahanui okay, thd. 19:03 thd I am also trying to partially move out to have my old plaster ceiling, floors etc. fixed before it all comes crashing down on me. 19:02 caroline davidnind: did you still want to chair? 19:00 wahanui okay, thd. 19:00 thd People are also working in my building making a mess spreading paint everywhere doing more harm than good. 19:00 thd I have to go to work shortly. 18:59 caroline thd yes 18:58 thd Is a meeting about to start? 18:58 caroline It also means I have some time to do documentation! 18:56 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 18:56 davidnind excellent! 18:54 caroline my training this afternoon was postponed! 18:54 davidnind hi caroline! 18:54 caroline hello everyone! 16:55 ashimema Cool, you noticed and merged. 😀 16:54 ashimema Reviewed, looks good to me 16:53 * cait is probably to be blamed 16:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5087 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Failed QA , Option to not show CSV profiles in OPAC 16:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Put OPAC cart download options into dropdown menu 16:49 oleonard Wait... Bug 25402 depended on Bug 5087 16:47 * oleonard hides because git blames him 16:45 oleonard at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Exception.pm line 77 16:45 oleonard Anyone else see an error in the OPAC cart? DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'opac_option' in 'where clause' at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Objects.pm line 144 16:42 * oleonard waves to kidclamp 16:36 kidclamp Joubu++ 15:45 reiveune bye 14:49 Joubu (now, please?) 14:49 Joubu tcohen or ashimema: please review and merge https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/merge_requests/141 13:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25909 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Recent change to datatables JS in the OPAC causes errors 13:49 oleonard Bug 25909 13:10 tcohen oleonard thank you 12:59 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25909 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Recent change to datatables JS in the OPAC causes errors 12:59 oleonard tcohen I'm working on an alternate patch for Bug 25909 12:21 tcohen late morning 12:13 * oleonard_ grumbles 12:04 ashimema mornin' 11:50 oleonard Hi all 11:11 davidnind Null404: Maybe adapt this one https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Circulation#All_Circ_Actions_in_Date_Range 11:01 Null404 I'm looking for SQL report that show how many patrons borrowed books form 1.01 to today 11:00 wahanui Greetings, programs! 11:00 Null404 hello there 10:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #246: NOW UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/246/ 10:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #252: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/252/ 10:22 wahanui Congratulations! 10:22 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 10:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #249: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/249/ 10:16 wahanui Congratulations! 10:16 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 08:59 janncis version 2.07 08:59 janncis hey guys does anyone else have missing perl module Locale:Language ? 06:51 alex_a Bonjout 06:45 reiveune hello 06:44 TimothyAlexis I aplogize. 06:42 TimothyAlexis oleonard, I have noticed that my attempts at contributing so far have been offhanded and I will take care to be attentive from here on. 04:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #23: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/23/ 04:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #287: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/287/ 03:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #22: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/22/ 03:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #2: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/2/ 02:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #19: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/19/ 02:18 wahanui Congratulations! 02:18 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 00:30 * oleonard_ thinks he is done breaking his wifi 00:11 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 00:11 dcook @later tell oleonard reading your comments in the scrollback made my morning