Time  Nick          Message
23:59 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #251: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/251/
23:52 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #254: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/254/
23:35 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #247: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/247/
23:35 wahanui       Congratulations!
23:35 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
23:25 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #250: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/250/
23:20 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #253: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/253/
23:16 tuxayo        Part of the contact emails might not be valid anymore ^^
23:10 oleonard      I am amused at the thought of long gone bug-filers getting updates to bugs years later.
20:44 wahanui       hi oleopard
20:44 aleisha       hi oleonard
20:44 oleonard      Hi aleisha
20:38 wahanui       what's up, aleisha
20:38 aleisha       hi
20:36 caroline      ashimema: can you generate the minutes?
20:34 davidnind     no problem Marie-Luce (you get to read the minutes!)
20:33 Marie-Luce    my apologies for the doc meeting. I'm really sorry
20:29 davidnind     no problem - the joy of meetings!
20:28 ashimema      Too many meetings.  Sorry I missed this one
20:03 davidnind     contemplates to do list, goes back to procrastinating :)
20:03 davidnind     a miracle, we kept it under an hour (just!)
20:02 tuxayo        thanks folks!
20:02 tuxayo        davidnind++
20:02 lucyvh        Thanks everyone
20:02 davidnind     thanks everyone!
20:02 caroline      davidnind++++
20:01 huginn        Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020.2020-07-02-19.04.log.html
20:01 huginn        Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020.2020-07-02-19.04.txt
20:01 huginn        Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020.2020-07-02-19.04.html
20:01 huginn        Meeting ended Thu Jul  2 20:01:52 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:01 davidnind     #endmeeting
20:01 davidnind     #info Next meeting: 13 August 2020, 19:00 UTC?
20:01 davidnind     we'll do that then
20:01 caroline      13 would be good for me
20:00 davidnind     we can do a week later
20:00 caroline      I'll probably be on vacation, but I don't mind missing one meeting
20:00 davidnind     as long as this time still suits everyone, 6 August 2020, 19:00 UTC?
19:58 cait          ok thx caroline
19:58 cait          yes
19:58 davidnind     #topic Set time of next meeting
19:56 tuxayo        cait: you mean the English manual has the old syspref name?
19:56 caroline      if you have time, just patch, if you can't patch right away and don't want to forget, file in bz
19:55 cait          can i just patch or should i always file?
19:55 tuxayo        :(
19:55 tuxayo        make: *** No rule to make target 'time'.  Stop.
19:55 tuxayo        ~ ❯❯❯ make time                                                            ✘ 1
19:54 cait          where do i report? taiga or bugzilla?
19:54 cait          my new coworker is currently proof reading the German translation and has found some cases where the sysprefs have been renamed
19:54 caroline      https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/epic/1117
19:54 * cait        wishes there was ways to 'make' more time in a day
19:53 davidnind     caroline++
19:53 caroline      I'm working through taiga, trying to get as much in as possible while I have time
19:53 caroline      I checked the release notes for 20.11 last week I think and there wasn't much there yet, so continue on 20.05
19:52 davidnind     over to you caroline...
19:52 davidnind     #topic Next steps
19:51 * thd         should have left for work 10 min. ago.
19:50 * tuxayo      did nothing
19:50 davidnind     any other content development guideline things?
19:50 davidnind     thanks tuxayo!
19:49 tuxayo        main is great as it's still gives a good meaning to the branch so that's a good change as it should fit everyone.
19:49 tuxayo        That really depends of the culture, the relationship with language changes. (though some are more problematic that others)
19:49 tuxayo        > master slave as used in tech context is not good
19:49 davidnind     #action davidnind to open issue to change repository branch naming and advise documentation list in advance and once done
19:48 davidnind     #info agreed to change terminology to be more inclusive (master ==> main)
19:47 davidnind     just to make sure we get it right
19:47 davidnind     I can check with rangi just to make sure - will add as an issues in GitLab
19:47 cait          davidnind++
19:46 caroline      in .git/config or something
19:46 davidnind     I'll experiment with anther repository to make sure it works, then do and let everyone know
19:46 caroline      yeah, I was just thinking that
19:46 cait          or maybe not - i really don't know, but i have seen other projects have been doing it
19:46 cait          i think people will also have to do something with their local repos
19:46 cait          same
19:46 caroline      I don't feel comfortable doing it though, afraid I'll mees up everything
19:45 lucyvh        Agreed, should be changed
19:44 caroline      then sure, we can change it
19:44 davidnind     no, that seems fine
19:44 cait          i guess you also can explain it better
19:44 cait          sorry!
19:44 davidnind     beat me to it!
19:44 cait          master slave as used in tech context is not good
19:44 caroline      makes sense
19:44 caroline      ah!
19:44 cait          inclusive language
19:43 caroline      what is the purpose?
19:43 davidnind     git branch names - do we change master to main? (sounds like it is easy to do https://www.hanselman.com/blog/EasilyRenameYourGitDefaultBranchFromMasterToMain.aspx)
19:42 davidnind     I seem to be giving myself more things to do!
19:41 davidnind     #action davidnind to come back with documentation style guide suggestions for next next meeting for discussion (to send around for discussion before)
19:41 davidnind     the microsoft style guide covers a lot more, such as desktop applications, so not quite as relevant
19:40 tuxayo        +1
19:40 davidnind     since  google things are web-based, and Koha  is, I thought it would make a bit more sense
19:39 caroline      davidnind++
19:39 caroline      cool
19:39 * cait        agrees
19:39 lucyvh        Good idea to base it on an existing standard
19:39 davidnind     #info Contractions such as don't do not cause problems for translation
19:38 davidnind     I'll come back by next meeting with some suggestions, was going to base on google developer guide for (Apache 2 licenced) so we can use (https://developers.google.com/style/)
19:37 cait          it should be fine
19:36 cait          as long as we format somewhat consistently
19:36 cait          i thin if it stands out too much, we could still apply some css :)
19:36 davidnind     I think so
19:36 caroline      bold is **?
19:36 caroline      ok we can do bold... maybe not retroactively, but like capitalization, correct them when you see them
19:34 cait          Germany uses double
19:34 davidnind     I have a list of things to propose, for interface elements was going to suggest bold, such as Click OK <== OK would be bolded
19:34 cait          similar here
19:34 cait          i tihnk i copied that style from some technical documentation books
19:34 caroline      So far, I've mostly used single quotes, but I'm very used to using double in real life so I might mix them up
19:34 cait          probably a little late for the manual :)  I think so
19:33 caroline      so that means using *?
19:33 cait          seriously, i thin a lot of quotes often make things harder to read, i prefer italic for things 'written in the gui' in my docs
19:33 caroline      lol! just making it more complicated
19:33 cait          :)
19:33 cait          i like italic
19:33 cait          ah
19:33 cait          to use double or single for quoting?
19:33 caroline      Do we write "button" or 'button' for example
19:32 caroline      I'd still like to eventually have a guideline
19:32 davidnind     excellent, so we can leave as is for the manual as is
19:32 cait          but i think that's nothing we need to worry about for the manual whatsoever
19:32 cait          yep
19:32 tuxayo        Yeah, avoiding " is for JS
19:32 cait          if you have double quote outside, double quotes inside can cause issues
19:31 cait          in html it doesn't matter
19:31 cait          it's probably the javascript case
19:31 tuxayo        " seems to be a problem
19:31 cait          yep, in general quotes should be fine
19:31 tuxayo        https://koha-fr.org/traduction-conseils-generaux/
19:30 caroline      In french I know the « » cause problems, but " and ' are ok
19:30 cait          string "don't" works, but 'don't' wouldn't - but as I said, coding guidelines should help with that
19:29 cait          we have a coding guideline that double quotes sohuld be used around strings, so we can have the single quotes for french and the short forms inside
19:29 cait          there is only one problem i can think of, but we prevent it with a coding guideline
19:29 davidnind     thanks cait!
19:28 cait          no
19:28 tuxayo        «contractions such as don't vs do not - do they create issues for translation?»
19:28 cait          i am probably too slow readin back - was there a question?
19:28 caroline      in French it's not a problem
19:27 caroline      afaik, they don't break the translating system, but I don't know if specific languages have problems with it
19:27 wahanui       tuxayo: i'm not following you...
19:27 tuxayo        wahanui: liar!
19:27 wahanui       meeting is over :)
19:27 cait          oh meeting?
19:27 cait          I am awake!
19:27 davidnind     I was under the impression they do (from reading other project's style guides), but we use them a lot with the system preferences
19:27 wahanui       cait is really good at running into things
19:27 caroline      cait?
19:26 caroline      not in my case
19:26 tuxayo        I would guess not.
19:25 davidnind     contractions such as don't vs do not - do they create issues for translation?
19:25 davidnind     thanks
19:24 lucyvh        The new theme looks great btw
19:24 davidnind     #topic Content development guidelines
19:24 davidnind     no worries
19:24 davidnind     I can only do one thing at a time, if I'm lucky
19:24 lucyvh        I haven't been able to do much recently I'm afraid
19:23 davidnind     multitasking again!
19:23 tuxayo        hi o/
19:23 davidnind     only us today...
19:23 caroline      hi lucyvh!
19:23 lucyvh        I am here just sorting dinner at the same time!
19:23 davidnind     hi lucyvh!
19:22 tuxayo        Looks more Koha-ish :)
19:22 davidnind     I'll see if I can fix that
19:22 lucyvh        Hi there all
19:22 caroline      Maybe the 20.11 is not very visible though
19:22 caroline      yes, it looks great!
19:22 davidnind     wasn't sure about changing the colour to green in the top left corner, but looks okay I think
19:21 caroline      It looks really good https://koha-community.org/manual/20.11/en/html/
19:20 tuxayo        davidnind++
19:20 davidnind     #action davidnind to update manual theme for 20.05, 19.11 and 19.05
19:20 davidnind     it is easy to do
19:19 caroline      but if not, we'll just wait for 20.11
19:19 caroline      If it's possible to do them all easily, yes
19:18 davidnind     hi lucyvh!
19:18 davidnind     I updated the theme for 20.11 as well, do you think we should do this for the older versions?
19:17 davidnind     working on testing patches helps a little
19:17 davidnind     I seem to master it, don't do anything for while, then I can't remember basic commands!
19:16 davidnind     I've been playing around with the structure, but nothing to share yet
19:16 caroline      and still learning to manage git
19:15 davidnind     easy to forget
19:14 caroline      I'm still trying to get used to not forgetting to cherry-pick to 20.05
19:14 davidnind     great
19:14 davidnind     caroline++
19:14 caroline      I've had some time to work on docs so I'm trying to catch up
19:14 davidnind     and lots more tasks added to Taiga :-D
19:13 davidnind     For whats been done, lost of activity over the last month - Caroline, Kelly, Alexander
19:11 davidnind     aprt from that, nothing more to add
19:11 davidnind     For git guide, have been looking at other projects do - a post to the development list didn't have any ideas on how we could improve the git process (https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2020-June/045802.html)
19:09 davidnind     Installation guide - have an outline from existing install guides, so starting to copy and paste content in now
19:08 davidnind     For me, I've been working slowly on a couple of them
19:08 caroline      not from me
19:07 davidnind     Any project updates?
19:07 davidnind     I managed to get through my action points from the last meeting!
19:07 davidnind     Looks like only a few of us today :)
19:06 davidnind     #topic Updates
19:05 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [mostly absent as I prepare to go to work]
19:05 caroline      #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Canada
19:05 davidnind     #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
19:04 davidnind     #topic Introductions
19:04 davidnind     #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_2_July_2020
19:04 davidnind     chair caroline
19:04 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2_july_2020'
19:04 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
19:04 huginn        Meeting started Thu Jul  2 19:04:15 2020 UTC.  The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:04 davidnind     #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2 July 2020
19:03 caroline      davidnind++
19:03 davidnind     I'm happy to relinquish that role today :)
19:03 wahanui       okay, thd.
19:03 thd           I am also trying to partially move out to have my old plaster ceiling, floors etc. fixed before it all comes crashing down on me.
19:02 caroline      davidnind: did you still want to chair?
19:00 wahanui       okay, thd.
19:00 thd           People are also working in my building making a mess spreading paint everywhere doing more harm than good.
19:00 thd           I have to go to work shortly.
18:59 caroline      thd yes
18:58 thd           Is a meeting about to start?
18:58 caroline      It also means I have some time to do documentation!
18:56 wahanui       darn tootin' it is.
18:56 davidnind     excellent!
18:54 caroline      my training this afternoon was postponed!
18:54 davidnind     hi caroline!
18:54 caroline      hello everyone!
16:55 ashimema      Cool, you noticed and merged. 😀
16:54 ashimema      Reviewed, looks good to me
16:53 * cait        is probably to be blamed
16:49 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5087 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Failed QA , Option to not show CSV profiles in OPAC
16:49 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Put OPAC cart download options into dropdown menu
16:49 oleonard      Wait... Bug 25402 depended on Bug 5087
16:47 * oleonard    hides because git blames him
16:45 oleonard      at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Exception.pm line 77
16:45 oleonard      Anyone else see an error in the OPAC cart? DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'opac_option' in 'where clause' at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Objects.pm line 144
16:42 * oleonard    waves to kidclamp
16:36 kidclamp      Joubu++
15:45 reiveune      bye
14:49 Joubu         (now, please?)
14:49 Joubu         tcohen or ashimema: please review and merge https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/merge_requests/141
13:49 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25909 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Recent change to datatables JS in the OPAC causes errors
13:49 oleonard      Bug 25909
13:10 tcohen        oleonard thank you
12:59 huginn        Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25909 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Recent change to datatables JS in the OPAC causes errors
12:59 oleonard      tcohen I'm working on an alternate patch for Bug 25909
12:21 tcohen        late morning
12:13 * oleonard_   grumbles
12:04 ashimema      mornin'
11:50 oleonard      Hi all
11:11 davidnind     Null404: Maybe adapt this one https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Circulation#All_Circ_Actions_in_Date_Range
11:01 Null404       I'm looking for SQL report that show how many patrons borrowed books form 1.01 to today
11:00 wahanui       Greetings, programs!
11:00 Null404       hello there
10:28 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #246: NOW UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/246/
10:22 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #252: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/252/
10:22 wahanui       Congratulations!
10:22 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
10:16 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #249: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/249/
10:16 wahanui       Congratulations!
10:16 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
08:59 janncis       version 2.07
08:59 janncis       hey guys does anyone else have missing perl module Locale:Language ?
06:51 alex_a        Bonjout
06:45 reiveune      hello
06:44 TimothyAlexis I aplogize.
06:42 TimothyAlexis oleonard, I have noticed that my attempts at contributing so far have been offhanded and I will take care to be attentive from here on.
04:28 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #23: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/23/
04:01 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10 build #287: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/287/
03:44 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #22: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/22/
03:20 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #2: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U20/2/
02:18 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #19: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/19/
02:18 wahanui       Congratulations!
02:18 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
00:30 * oleonard_   thinks he is done breaking his wifi
00:11 huginn        dcook: The operation succeeded.
00:11 dcook         @later tell oleonard reading your comments in the scrollback made my morning