Time  Nick         Message
03:49 dcook        aleisha: Are you around still?
03:49 aleisha      hi dcook
03:50 dcook        heya
03:50 aleisha      whats up
03:50 dcook        I just remembered you wanted to ask me a question a while ago
03:50 dcook        Did you ask it in the end?
03:50 aleisha      oh yes i did!
03:50 aleisha      i cant remember what the question is anymore but i feel like you answered it
03:50 dcook        Oh good. Haha. I wasn't sure and didn't mean to leave you hanging
03:50 dcook        The day you got in touch I got super busy
03:50 aleisha      heh i appreciate the follow-up!
03:51 aleisha      totally fine, i think it was about a bug i was looking at backporting
03:51 aleisha      for 19.11.x
03:51 dcook        Ok yeah that makes sense
03:51 dcook        And I think Tomas helped clear that one up
03:51 aleisha      yes someone did! :)
03:51 dcook        It's great having you maintain 19.11.x :D
03:51 dcook        Do you do it all in your free time or do you get work time for it too?
03:52 aleisha      thank you i am learning a lot! very lucky to be able to do it in work time :)
03:53 dcook        Oh nice!
03:53 dcook        I should probably focus on some things now but glad I was able to get in touch
03:53 dcook        I'm hoping by the time Kohacon20 comes around that I'm able to come over to Wellington and actually meet you. I feel like you've been working on Koha for quite a long time now, yeah?
03:53 dcook        Still can't believe I didn't meet wizzyrea while she was in NZ O_O
03:54 aleisha      yes ive been around for a little while now dcook, it would be awesome to finally meet you!
03:54 dcook        The feeling is mutual :)
03:55 dcook        I occasionally see some tweets from you as well. Seems like you're up to all sorts of great things over there
03:56 aleisha      heh i do like to keep busy
04:21 dcook        I want to say I know the feeling but I'm less busy than I think I am
04:21 dcook        Going to leave this here for people: https://www.perl.com/article/announcing-perl-7/
06:43 alex_a       Bonjour
06:43 wahanui      que tal, alex_a
06:49 fridolin     hi dear comunity
06:50 magnuse      \o/
07:24 Joubu        @later tell oleonard Hi Owen, you removed 5229 from the "depends on" list of 12561, was it expected?
07:24 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:13 nlegrand     ahlan
08:23 magnuse      \o/
08:24 nlegrand     o/ magnuse!
09:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #334: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/334/
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: DBRev 20.06.00.003 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8098e0eed6594f9d792fc17cd9b940ea586e659>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: (follow-up) UI - Use "Table settings" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6493f7d33655411dd8e8368c04d962d5d94c4c6e>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: Rename 'Columns settings' with 'Tables settings' on the UI <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=63e7c389f78d462c013d6b53909c4917c60ee7ed>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: Fix some QA failures <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2201edfe6ee630cdca086abcd84525d7b4d2bb56>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: (QA follow-up) Make terminology consistent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=692fb7e134396c85a4ddf7bdfc49fb52e9c5015c>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: Fix shift in the header <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1573d9e213632eafae888ac9f45002209fc17146>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: Fix one occurrence in updatedatabase.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d5dafb7a36bd7cee3a9adca9964b5b451dcc6af>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: Use days_mode circ rule to calculate the dropbox date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6bf011e37c1c35b84374c458cbcc3be5da63f47>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: Set days_mode according to circ rules in 3 other places <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71e235751f609ada9f2fcb78eeda5c3b417bf83f>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: Add new tests for get_useDaysMode_effective_value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aea24e6e9e5279ae062f384ce966ab458dade248>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: Adjust tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e9b31f2964d7289ba0c230677d8583e42d1e803>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: Add UI changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad0f89f9e521e6cc580ac17da683f7627e64e00e>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24159: Throw an exception if days_mode option is not given when needed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b623a4f3066f2764489df42cfbd01a262220aef>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: Fix set sort order to the first column <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bda9ce467e187fb7c04343b336cbd68828027d8>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: Add columns_settings.yml changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f751401ef4d200624ba3836f9a4d1193451deac5>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: Adjust other tables in the yml file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba9ebbc6f16b45f0321d23712b23868f82776b8c>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: Make sort order and number of items to display configurable (basket page) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c04b397a43612c41796cd653d3f447f10e8a48c>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: move ColumnsSettings to TablesSettings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de54267510a31d332144c6e8e718334a6bd7e141>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: DBIC changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bee30340b8b7cbc492a07581009662d2dddeb060>
09:07 huginn       News from kohagit: Bug 24156: DB changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=259e7d300307180f260eed38311e03df05f9e8f2>
09:30 ashimema     ooh... how have I not noticed the inconsistency between using `COMMENT="this field is for X"` vs `-- this field is for X` in our kohastructure file before ?
09:32 cait2        I did not either?
09:32 cait2        i think there is even a coding guildeline about that
09:32 ashimema     I noticed whilst rescuing bug 19036
09:32 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19036 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Number payment receipts / payment slips
09:33 ashimema     oh rally
09:33 * ashimema   goes to look
09:33 ashimema     interesting..
09:34 ashimema     we actually advocate the use of `-- coment` syntax
09:34 ashimema     I've never failed anything for not having that.. though I do like it when people add it
09:34 ashimema     seems that relates to shemaspy being able to read them
09:34 ashimema     however.. I just learnt that dbicdump reads the other form when creating POD for Schema classes.. that could be usefull too
09:35 * ashimema   adds topic to dev meeting
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09:55 Joubu        awesome...
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09:57 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
09:57 wahanui      Congratulations!
09:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1376: FIXED in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1376/
10:01 Joubu        @later tell tcohen almost all last builds failed because run on docker 2, which does not have more disk space. I tried apt clean, autoclean, etc. then docker prune but no luck
10:01 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #25: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/25/
10:14 Joubu        @later tell tcohen did you know that a new job was enqueued when the current one failed? Is it something new?
10:14 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:37 Joubu        @later tell fridolin Do you think you will have time to submit a patch for 25770?
10:37 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:40 oleonard     o/
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10:48 oleonard     Joubu: Regarding Bug 5229, I think Bug 25871 might serve as a duplicate. Perhaps I was premature in removing it until I get more feedback on 25871.
10:48 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5229 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACItemsResultsDisplay preference does not work with XSLT results
10:48 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25871 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Add "only library" to OpacItemLocation options
10:49 Joubu        oleonard: yes I think it makes to keep the direct link between those two
10:50 Joubu        And I'd love to see it won't fix with the pref removed :)
10:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #283: STILL FAILING in 15 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/283/
10:51 Joubu        @later tell tcohen I disconnected docker 2
10:51 huginn       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:51 oleonard     Do we wait to remove OPACItemsResultsDisplay until the non-XSLT view is officially obsolete, i.e. removed as an option in preferences?
10:53 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
10:53 wahanui      Congratulations!
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10:56 Joubu        oleonard: if we have 11426 and 25871 ready for 20.11 we could remove the non-XSLT and the pref I'd say
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10:57 Joubu        mtj: did you reconnect docker 2?
11:02 mtj          hi Joubu.. no, not me
11:03 mtj          Jun 25, 2020 10:57:39 AM - Disconnected by joubu
11:07 ashimema     +1 to removal of xslt
11:07 ashimema     s/xslt/non-xslt/
11:07 Joubu        mtj: yes, I had to disconnect it twice
11:08 Joubu        there are ghosts there
11:09 oleonard     ashimema: remove xslt, remove non-xslt, remove it all. All books are invisible now
11:09 ashimema     haha.. lol
11:09 Joubu        we could replace everything with a csv view
11:19 oleonard     welp, the RM said it, it must be law. CSV all the things.
11:19 ashimema     lol
11:37 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
11:37 wahanui      Congratulations!
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11:45 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
11:45 wahanui      Congratulations!
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11:46 magnuse      or TT all the things - i would prefer that over xslt, personally
12:24 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
12:24 wahanui      Congratulations!
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12:38 tcohen       bomjour
12:40 tuxayo       o/
12:40 tuxayo       *bonjour
13:09 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:09 wahanui      Congratulations!
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13:54 talljoy      morning
13:54 caroline     hi talljoy!
13:57 talljoy      hi caroline!
14:53 nugged       ashimema: thanks for such massive approvals! :)... we will bring more, ... now just distracted for this week by "The Perl Conference" which is "Conference in the Cloud" nowadays :), not just YAPC ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
14:53 ashimema     no worries
14:53 ashimema     ooh.. cool
14:54 ashimema     hadn't reality TPC had gone cloud.. nice
14:56 nugged       https://tpc20cic.sched.com/ – just now
14:56 nugged       yesterday + tomorrow. Archives of talks here: https://www.youtube.com/c/YAPCNA/featured
14:57 nugged       they announced Perl 7 idea :P... so not just spaces+tabs mix in our codebase will be the problem soon :) (joking, but ... :) )... Can I post my yesterday's summary about talks I watched for this Koha community here?
14:59 talljoy      ashimema i was wondering if you had information on the accountlines issue i mentioned last night.  I'm cleaning up lost fines/offset information but am not sure what the use cases are that i need to NOT remove when i see it.
15:00 talljoy      i suspect it is where a lost fine is in the offsets table with a writeoff and that writeoff is only used once.  All the cases i'm cleaning now show a single writeoff being applied to two things,.  once positive, once negative
15:02 ashimema     Deffo, go for it nugged.. I'm sure people here would be interesting in summaries
15:03 ashimema     tallboy, yes I think that's the use case.. it's to convert where a lost + returned and refunded was only one line.. it becomes the lost charge plus the write-off credit and links via offsets. It for reports more than anything
15:04 ashimema     Apologies it hit your partner's so hard and came as a surprise.
15:04 talljoy      the silver lining is that it doesn't affect balances.  that's amazingly great.
15:05 ashimema     We're only just doing our first 19.11 upgrades here so haven't really had any issues yet.
15:05 talljoy      but some partners do like 'tidy' data.  and we either have to explain it as upgrades or clean it out so they are not triggered by it.
15:05 talljoy      we also found an issue of manual invoices where the code had spaces causing real problems.
15:05 talljoy      we turned all LOST fines into LOST CARD fines.
15:05 ashimema     Yeah.. I worked hard to make sure the final figures still added up properly.. it was really to just tray and improve the clarity of what's happens in the refund cases.
15:06 talljoy      yes, our educators are thrilled that koha now treats credits like credits and debits like debits and not crossing the two types!
15:06 talljoy      it is an improvement going forward, for sure
15:07 ashimema     Ooh, yeah.. manual invoices got a but horrible to try and keep clean.. deffo feedback anything there.. I'll happily try to revisit that if we think there's any way to make it a nicer migration
15:07 talljoy      take a look at the code, substr(code,1,5) update statement.  that's what did us in where partners had 'bad codes' (codes with spaces that look like real codes)
15:08 talljoy      also the field mappings table was problematic for us.
15:08 ashimema     Glad you managed to work out a way to appease the end users. 😀
15:08 ashimema     Ah.. fields mappings wasn't one I had a hand in.. phew
15:08 talljoy      we removed that section from the updatedatabase.  we drop the table, but are not moving field mappings into the frameworks.  Folks had a lot of 'cruft' in that fieldmappings table that created a lot of 'weirdness' in frameworks.
15:09 talljoy      keep an eye out for that one.
15:09 talljoy      our other gotchas are system level.  the z3950 responder changed and was unusable til patched
15:10 talljoy      and we are still sorting out how to reconfigure the new juvenile2adult cron.
15:10 talljoy      otherwise, just normal bugs.  :D
15:19 tcohen       @later tell Joubu I'm updating the docker2 node on jenkins
15:19 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:21 nugged       [semi-offtopic] Perl Conference in the Cloud: day 1 summary (my own impressions):
15:21 nugged       *** Mojolicious "intro again and get latest best practises in short" (async/await):
15:21 nugged       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5xS2NcMzJU
15:21 nugged       *** Some CyberSecurity tasks to keep in mind, always good to review:
15:21 nugged       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMnPoW_uek
15:21 nugged       *** 30 years of web how it transformed (and how in the middle Koha is 🙂 lol):
15:21 nugged       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXhosJLAeUs
15:21 nugged       *** And this one for inspiration (really 🙂 , she so bright in that):
15:21 nugged       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzVxHk-RwN4
15:21 nugged       *** AND..... Perl 7 they said O_o:
15:21 nugged       this article from brian d foy: https://www.perl.com/article/announcing-perl-7/
15:21 nugged       and vids from yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wPMh-3qYJM
15:21 nugged       There more from P7 from 48th minute but before all was intro+arguments "why", by SawyerX
15:21 nugged       Yep, this Perl 7 topic... and our accumulated bugzilla patches stream  codebase not combines together well... As Joubu once explained for me-being-noob-and-impatient, I can't 💣 tidify all them all at once, we even can't get rid of of tabs/spaces mix... but...
15:21 nugged       But maybe one day :)...
15:21 * nugged     did it :)
15:23 ashimema     :)
15:23 ashimema     looking good
15:23 * ashimema   would love to do a codebase wise tidy one day.. but alas a project of this scale with so many contributors and so many open bugs at any one time
15:23 ashimema     that's not at all trivial
15:24 ashimema     merge conflicts in literally thousands of peoples patches would ensue
15:25 nugged       .. and backports, and forks. So yes, seems "use Modern::Perl;" will be our header for long time further. Yep. So – just impressions above ^_^
15:26 ashimema     indeed
15:26 ashimema     I did just QA a pretty extensive patch to bring our existing code upto our own perlcritic policies (except tabs vs spaces)..
15:27 ashimema     that'll be a nice one to see pushed
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15:42 tcohen       @later tell Joubu is it on purpose that launching KTD pulls from the QA and misc4dev repos? That's shouldn't be the behaviour as it predates the option to run KTD offline
15:42 huginn       tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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15:49 tcohen       async/await++
16:08 tuxayo       Does anyone know a mailing list of Pakistani Koha users?
16:11 tuxayo       Even without a mailing list, there is still kohapakistan.org
16:11 * tuxayo     searches an Urdu speaker to fix something that caused an error in the release process.
16:12 caroline     hum... I have the business card of one pakistani koha company, but it's in my desk drawer at work...
16:14 nlegrand     tuxayo: https://www.bulac.fr/decouvrir-les-collections/collections-par-aire-geographique/asie/domaine-ourdou/
16:15 nlegrand     tuxayo: tell Bedar I told you to ask him.
16:15 nlegrand     tuxayo: you have his address on the page.
16:15 caroline     This is the person I met in Portland : https://www.linkedin.com/in/sher-afzal-khan-13647248/
16:16 nlegrand     He does not use Koha in Urdu though.
16:16 tuxayo       Thanks nlegrand and caroline :D
16:16 caroline     He is very engaged in the Pakistani Koha community
16:16 nlegrand     ho
16:16 nlegrand     Caroline's link must be better!
16:16 nlegrand     Bedar is very nice but not so engaged in Koha :).
16:17 caroline     yeah, there isn't his email address though... If you have a linkedin account, you can probably message him through there
16:18 nlegrand     https://kohapakistan.org/
16:18 tuxayo       I'll contact them if the emails I'll sent to the koha-translate and general koha lists don't find their way to Urdu Speakers ^^
16:18 nlegrand     https://kohapakistan.org/contact-us/
16:19 tuxayo       nlegrand: yeah, the Koha Pakistan contact page was also in the backup plan.
16:21 ashimema     anyone ever seen `Template process failed: undef error - DBIC result _type  isn't of the _type Biblio at /home/martin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/lateorders.tt line 105.`
16:21 ashimema     bit baffled by it
16:22 tuxayo       I wonder how many languages can be spoken or understood among staff of BULAC ^^
16:22 tuxayo       It might be the perfect place for time travelers from the past or future to arrive!
16:23 tuxayo       ashimema: I didn't know there was type checking in the templates
16:24 ashimema     it's thrown from a Koha::Object.. which you can pass to templates
16:24 ashimema     looks to be a relation traversal failing
16:24 ashimema     but I'm currently failing to understand why
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16:34 nlegrand     tuxayo: I think about 60 at the same time, because it's more or less the staff we have for languages.
16:35 nlegrand     tuxayo: some knows a lot of languages, our polish colleague speaks at least Polish, Slovak, Czech, Sorab, Russian, German, a bit of Yiddish...
16:36 tuxayo       ^^
16:37 nlegrand     Sadely we treat more languages than we have staff for it. Some languages have someone just a bit here and there, like Kurdish, Hebrew, Georgian, Uzbek...
16:39 nugged       I have Ukrainian and Russian on professional level here (myself) + Slava from my trainees also have Polish in addition... in a case some questions/ideas.
16:50 tuxayo       nlegrand: I imagine replacing someone leaving must often be hard.
16:52 tuxayo       nugged: I'll remember that for future errors in .po files ;)
16:52 nugged       ok
16:53 tuxayo       nugged: thanks BTW for keeping us up with Perl news
16:54 * nugged     tracking The Conference in the Cloud: day 2. Will bring the summary.
17:26 * cait       waves
17:26 caroline     hi cait
17:26 cait         hi caroline! :)
17:46 caroline     do y'all think it would be useful to have a contact list for specific languages? Kind of like https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon10_Translators
17:46 tuxayo       nugged: If one of your trainees wants to know more about Koha translation:
17:46 tuxayo       I have sent a link with a few things to fix in the Polish translation to the general koha list and koha-translation
17:46 tuxayo       Though the Polish translation seems to be active so I have no worries about this to be fixed
17:47 tuxayo       caroline: Maybe, because I had to go to Pootle to find the latest contributor and also look inside the .po files.
17:48 tuxayo       The biggest issue it that Pootle doesn't keep for long the last contributors. That would help a lot.
17:49 tuxayo       Just having a translation history of a least the last two years would allow to find who could come back to translating.
18:21 tcohen       @seen kohaputti
18:21 huginn       tcohen: kohaputti was last seen in #koha 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 43 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <kohaputti> if the library has the books in transfer state but in a room accessible for patrons then some of the patrons might go pick up those books and checkout them even though they were supposed to be transferred to another branch
18:36 nlegrand     tuxayo: it's rather easy to find PhD students needing money. Sadly.
18:50 caroline     Does a plain 20.05 come with basic credit and debit types?
18:52 cc_          hi
18:52 caroline     ok found 'em!
18:52 caroline     hi cc_
19:12 cc_          thank @caroline
19:12 cc_          hello I have a problem since I updated to version 19.11.6 after performing a search in staff I select a record but this tells me that it does not exist.  but looking at the url is not using the biblionumer.  https://snipboard.io/tlyJew.jpg  but the recor
19:13 caroline     Sounds like an indexing problem
19:14 cc_          I have already done a reindex and look for n problems, this problem is when selecting a record.
19:15 cc_          says that does not exist
19:15 tcohen       cc_ what if you switch to the english interface?
19:17 cc_          https://snipboard.io/PriaSG.jpg
19:19 tcohen       I would like the same screenshot you took for the spanish one
19:19 cc_          @tcohen same..
19:19 huginn       cc_: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
19:19 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
19:20 caroline     cc_: I think tcohen wants this one in English https://snipboard.io/tlyJew.jpg
19:25 cc_          apparently you are omitting the biblionumber in the url. this is a bug?
19:26 cc_          We updated from version 19.11.4 to 19.11.6 and the problem started.
19:27 tcohen       that would be a bug
19:27 tcohen       I'm trying to reproduce on my environment
19:40 cc_          @tcohen this is secuence complete in video shorturl.at/otM68
19:40 huginn       cc_: I've exhausted my database of quotes
19:44 tcohen       cc_ weird, I was just testing on a 19.11.06 site
19:44 tcohen       that doesn't have the issue
19:46 cc_          I did the test in a fresh installation. I moved the DB and the same thing happened.
19:59 cait         cc_: you need to set the 999$c or whatever your biblionumber is mapped to to visible int he frameworks
19:59 cait         it's a known thing
19:59 cait         let me find the bug report
20:00 cait         bug 25686
20:00 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25686 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Title in the catalogue search result doesn't open the full (normal) record display
20:03 cait         tcohen: i think we caused that with our work in the hidden stuff
20:03 tcohen       ah
20:03 cait         indirectly - works too well
20:03 tcohen       thanks phew
20:04 tcohen       did we file a bug for the deny_list implementation on ViewPolicy?
20:04 cait         ?
20:04 tcohen       so 999 isn't hidden no matter what policy set on the fw
20:05 cait         3 people have run inot it and reported by now - not sure why 999 would ever be hidden, but i guess it's an indicator we need to fix it
20:05 cait         i think there is a linked bug
20:05 cait         ah, maybe only discussion on the bug itself
20:06 cait         we could reopne bug 25826 that i had closed dpulicate - probably imssing hte other was closed as well
20:06 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25826 critical, P3, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, All results link to 404 in staff and intranet (SOMETIMES)
20:12 cait         bug 25826
20:12 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25826 critical, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Hiding biblionumber in the frameworks breaks links in result list
20:22 cc_          so it's a bug
20:23 tcohen       technically, it is a wrong config on your frameworks, but Koha shouldn't allow you to make that mistake or should report it somewhere
20:25 cc_          i can update to koha 19.11 to koha 20.05 but is installing the beta version: /  Upgrade to 20.05.00.000 done [20:26:09]: 20.05.00 alpha release  apparently there is a problem with the repositories
20:28 cait         cc_: you don't need to update
20:28 cait         you just need to make a confiuration change
20:28 cait         i'd even recommend against jumping to 20.05 righ tnow
20:28 cait         but you should not see alpha release
20:29 cait         go to administration > bibliographic marc frameworks > for any framework listed > marc structure > search for 999 > edit subfields
20:29 cait         and check visiblity for opac for $c
20:29 cait         tcohen: i tihnk UNIMARC uses 001 - for the bug
20:29 cait         we might have to check what biblionumber is mapped to?
20:32 cc_          @cait it worked. !! but I do not make any changes in the worksheet can be the update?
20:32 huginn       cc_: downloading the Perl source
20:32 cait         sorry, can you rephrase the question?
20:35 cc_          Could the update caused this change in my bibliographic mark frames? @cait
20:35 cc_          thanks @tcohen  :)
20:40 cait         the frameowrks didn't change, but we improved the functionality for hiding fields
20:40 cait         so suddenly the configuration started to actually work
20:41 cait         what tcohen and I were discussing is that the 999c should be treated as an exception
21:24 caroline     re bug 14570 do I understand correctly that we cannot add non-patron guarantors anymore?
21:24 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14570 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Make it possible to add multiple guarantors to a record
21:33 lisettelatah caroline: We can still add non-patron guarantors. We can only add 1 non-patron guarantor though.
21:34 caroline     in the "Contact" section?
21:34 caroline     I wonder why we didn't put these fields in the Guarantor information section
21:35 lisettelatah Yes, still in the contact section. I agree that it would be good to move up to the other guarantor information.
21:35 lisettelatah Also it looks like you can add non-patron guarantors to adults now.
21:39 lisettelatah Currently I think we can only add 1 non-patron guarantor, but I think there is another bug to change to allow more than 1.
21:53 caroline     lisettelatah: the Guarantor info vs. Contact section bug is bug 25654 if you want to add you +1
21:53 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Making the Contact Section / Guarantor Section separate from the Contact details of the patron would be less confusing
21:53 caroline     *your
21:54 lisettelatah done!