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00:24 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #243: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/243/
00:32 oleonard       alexbuckley++
00:36 alexbuckley    thanks for doing that fix oleonard-away!
02:21 tuxayo         hayleymapley_: hi :) Yeah none of the choice seen really bad.
02:49 Abam           Hi All,
02:51 Abam           I'm a Koha newbie and trying to set it up at my school. We would like to be able to use Koha on multiple machines but I don't know how to do this yet. My coding skills are limited and we are using a virtual box on Windows to access Koha, any advice greatly appreciated
05:04 gautam         HI there,
05:04 wahanui        i heard HI there, was anyone available to give me some advice? Our koha admin site has been down for about a week now, just returning a error 400 page. It looks like it's returning broken html, with the formatting all wrong. I've spent multiple probably a dozen hours on this issue, but am making zero progress. Can anyone advise?
05:06 gautam         I want to know that how to find all sql queries are using in particular URL or api.
05:28 hayleymapley__ see yas tomorrow!
05:28 hayleymapley__ sorry gautam I'm not sure
05:34 fridolin       hi
06:57 mtj            hi gautam: have you looked at the log files yet, for your 400 error?
06:59 alex_a         Bonjour
06:59 wahanui        niihau, alex_a
07:24 magnuse        aleisha++
07:24 magnuse        wahanui: forget HI there
07:24 wahanui        magnuse, I didn't have anything matching hi there
07:25 magnuse        wahanui: forget HI
07:25 wahanui        magnuse: I forgot hi
07:34 fridolin       Oh my ugly Bug 25842
07:34 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25842 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Typo "streetype" in member-main-address-style.inc
07:38 cait1          i think we didn't see it because road types
07:38 cait1          but didn't I qa that one?
07:38 cait1          oh there is another
08:07 * andreashm    waves
08:12 magnuse        \o/
08:12 magnuse        so will you be leaving us, andreashm?
08:12 andreashm      yes, unfortunately.
08:13 andreashm      but I'll still be lurking on various chats/platforms. keeping an eye on y'all! =)
08:15 magnuse        goody!
08:23 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25842: Fix typo streetype in member-main-address-style.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ebfc94a5724a0dd63f565f9744800c98d70f9cf>
08:23 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25839: Fix typo patron.streetype in member-main-address-style.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0de7b6093e86410c022e252b554a5e6305c86480>
08:23 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25774: Handle utf8 chars in REST API queries <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1af5a62cb74aa7dd000ae41c4be07dd6d3aa330>
08:23 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25702: Actions button on Search results from Z39.50 is displayed incorrectly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=84230fcd798805c38c9ff16312121011cd0dc782>
08:33 Joubu          @later tell aleisha are you using the koha-push script for 19.11.x?
08:33 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:38 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25828: Update cpanfile for 20.05 release cycle <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac8249ac67dcac6fd55b0d2bcc13ccd495722ca5>
08:58 nlegrand       Ahoj.
09:10 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U20 build #21: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/21/
09:11 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1371: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1371/
09:20 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10 build #271: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/271/
09:57 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
09:57 wahanui        Congratulations!
09:57 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #11: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/11/
09:59 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U18 build #824: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/824/
10:17 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U16 build #6: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/6/
10:37 magnuse        woohoo!
10:43 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D11 build #19: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/19/
10:50 tcohen         morning
10:51 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #352: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/352/
11:16 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #331: SUCCESS in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/331/
11:25 oleonard       wahanui: forget HI there,
11:25 wahanui        oleonard: I forgot hi there,
11:32 ashimema       loosing andreashm ?
11:33 oleonard       I wish we were like the Mob, and no one could ever leave
11:34 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
11:34 wahanui        Congratulations!
11:34 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #16: FIXED in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9_My8/16/
11:34 ashimema       lol
11:42 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #16: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/16/
11:50 tuxayo         With this and the consideration of child labor for libre/open source projects, it seems oleonard is shifting to the dark side.
11:54 cait           huh?
11:55 andreashm      ashimema: I'm starting a new job at the national library of sweden after summer
11:55 andreashm      no Koha there
11:55 oleonard       cait: Yesterday I pondered whether it was ethical to employ child labor as long as it was for open source
11:55 cait           hm
11:56 oleonard       andreashm: You mean no Koha YET
11:56 andreashm      hehe
11:56 cait           education... like school, right?
11:56 cait           andreashm: what did i miss?
11:57 andreashm      cait: magnuse mentioned me leaving earlier
11:57 cait           vacation? *hopeful+
11:57 andreashm      I'm going to work with national systems (LIBRIS etc.)
11:57 andreashm      Leaving Stockholm univ
11:57 cait           oh :(
11:58 cait           or yay?
11:58 cait           i guess
11:59 cait           you know what we mean... sad to see you leave, but wishing you the best of course and hoping you will still be here from time to time
12:00 andreashm      thanks cait
12:00 andreashm      I'll be around. keeping an eye on things.
12:00 cait           you better :)
12:00 cait           do you knwo what your new tasks will be?
12:01 * oleonard     tearfully removes andreashm from the irc regulars page
12:01 nlegrand       andreashm: a librarian friend in Sweden told me they were checkouting bikes and that they described biked in MARC. But I didn't find the notice. How can I find a bike in LIBRIS?
12:02 andreashm      nlegrand: I would asume that they add bikes to their local catalogue, not LIBRIS. =)
12:02 cait           i got to switch back to the other computer- i want to know too :)
12:03 oleonard       Bikes in Koha? Done that. https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=288318
12:04 tuxayo         andreashm: Using an ILS to manage bike rental?
12:05 andreashm      tuxayo: ask nlegrand, I had never heard of it. =)
12:05 cait1          tuxayo: you'd be surprised waht libraries catalog
12:05 andreashm      But know of several who use Koha to manage art
12:05 cait1          electric table fans ... kind of a protest to the new building lacking AC i guess
12:06 tuxayo         andreashm: Indeed I got mixed up about who brought the topic.
12:06 cait1          keys
12:06 cait1          being in he library (in corona times) with tokens
12:06 oleonard       https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=388857
12:07 cait1          https://prag.bibliothek.goethe.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?advsearch=1&idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&do=Suche&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3AGEGE&sort_by=relevance
12:07 andreashm      cait1: I'll be working as a systems librarian with the national systems. don't have that many details yet.
12:10 tuxayo         andreashm: Maybe you will manage cats. That's the logical step in the direction mentioned in the above other-than-book catalogs.
12:10 tuxayo         Considering cat cafés exists, libraries could also do this.
12:10 tuxayo         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_caf%C3%A9
12:12 tuxayo         (only on-site of course)
12:12 * andreashm    will change title to cat librarian
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12:25 magnuse        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_cat
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12:32 magnuse        oooh bug 20271
12:32 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables
12:33 ashimema       cool catalogue oleonard.. never thought to search for bikes or thermometers :)
12:33 tuxayo         magnuse: «Cats' generally independent nature may also suit the intellectual environment of a library, as they are low-maintenance»
12:33 tuxayo         lol
12:34 ashimema       sad to hear you're going andreashm, but sounds like a good move for you.. good luck, hope it all goes well
12:34 andreashm      thanks ashimema!
12:34 * ashimema     wonders what jobs might suit him out in a wider world.. been in Koha land for a long time.
12:35 tuxayo         andreashm: give us some news. Like whether you manage cats or bikes. Very important.
12:35 tuxayo         ashimema: do think about leaving yet! :o
12:36 tuxayo         oleonard: I'm ready to join the mob ASAP.
12:36 andreashm      tuxayo: forgot a 'not' there? =)
12:37 tuxayo         indeed!
12:37 tuxayo         *don't think about
12:37 tuxayo         ashimema: BTW, any welsh translator at PTFS-E?
12:38 ashimema       not at ptfs-e.. but we have a couple of welsh customers and one of them did the translations to date
12:39 oleonard       ashimema, I'm working on getting a "library of things" page put together for my library but it's not there yet
12:39 ashimema       cool
12:40 oleonard       This is our latest addition: https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?advsearch=1&idx=kw&idx=kw&idx=kw&do=Search&limit=mc-itype%2Cphr%3AYG&sort_by=relevance
12:40 ashimema       Dual language support is a legal requirement for OPAC's in Wales tuxayo.. hence the OPAC is covered reasonably well.. and will likely improve again when they next upgrade
12:41 tuxayo         ashimema: Good, I'll send an email to koha-translate about errors that I'm silencing (fuzzy). Is there anyone at PTFS-E or at the customer that I can CC?
12:41 ashimema       oh cool..
12:41 tuxayo         In the hope of not having these errors to manually handle every month.
12:41 ashimema       hmm..
12:41 ashimema       send the mail and I'll see if i can dig out someone here who might be able to reach out to the customer.
12:41 ashimema       ooh..
12:42 * magnuse      searches for the fix_all_encoding_problems_in_this_file command
12:42 ashimema       in terms of manually handling..
12:42 ashimema       if you mark them as fuzzy in translate.koha-community.org you'll no longer have to fix them manually each time
12:42 tuxayo         ashimema: I can't I have to be admin. So I can only do that for Esperanto XD
12:43 tuxayo         I emailed Bernardo to ask if there would be a way for RMaint to be able to do that. (or everyone, since everyone can submit translations...)
12:44 ashimema       ah.. I asked him for admin permission when i became rmaint for just that reason I think
12:44 ashimema       I'm sure he'll grant it to you :)
12:44 tuxayo         good!
12:47 ashimema       I did wonder if we could script marking errors as fuzzy as part of the translation build process
12:48 tuxayo         I wonder why we have to mark them as fuzzy. It will end up in english anyway right?
12:48 ashimema       pass.. I'm not close enough to how translations work to be honest
12:49 tuxayo         At least locally. Because in the translation platform it allows to alert the translators tor fix them.
12:49 tuxayo         *to fix
12:50 tuxayo         RMaint is definitely a great job to find all kinds of things to fix and clarify in translations, system requirements, CI among others.
12:50 ashimema       hehe
12:51 ashimema       yup
12:51 ashimema       that's what i did for 12 months as stable rmaint before becoming RM.. it was good and we made allot of improvements to our processes and things..
12:51 ashimema       really nice to see you striving to do more this cycle too :)
12:52 ashimema       carrying on lots of things I started.. continuing things I just ran out of time to complete :)
12:52 ashimema       and finding your own improvements too
12:52 ashimema       tuxayo++
12:53 tuxayo         The release tools and git push hook are a great help.
12:53 tuxayo         ashimema++
12:54 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1372: FAILURE in 13 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1372/
12:55 tuxayo         The cause the team being wrong in my case was that I named my config file .yaml instead of .yml .... (miread the readme)
12:55 * ashimema     is finding it weird being just QA Team now..  lots of catching up happening for ptfs-e work but it's strange doing less community stuff
12:55 tuxayo         *misread
12:55 ashimema       hehe..
12:55 ashimema       easily done
12:55 ashimema       I should perhaps add a warning if etc/user.yml isn't found or something
12:55 ashimema       that would be nice
12:57 magnuse        tuxayo++
12:58 tuxayo         > I should perhaps add a warning if etc/user.yml isn't found or something
12:58 tuxayo         There is, I just didn't understood it, because I though it was already there.
12:58 tuxayo         Maybe it should be mandatory and block? To ensure to not fallback to an old team for example.
13:00 ashimema       would be easy to block..
13:00 ashimema       just add a 'die' into the relevant code block
13:07 tuxayo         ashimema: BTW, after checking the advertised experimental support for MySQL 8 in 19.05.x I got 16 test failures.
13:07 tuxayo         Should I still keep it in the release notes?
13:07 ashimema       well.. it is indeed experimental
13:07 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10 build #272: FAILURE in 3 min 5 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/272/
13:07 ashimema       I'm not sure we intend to backport further mysql8 fixes?
13:08 ashimema       so perhaps not worthwhile mentioning it in your ntoes
13:08 ashimema       * so perhaps not worthwhile mentioning it in your notes
13:08 tuxayo         MariaDB 10.3 had two errors that were fixed by a last backport after tcohen analyzed that it was low risk.
13:08 ashimema       that's another area that's hard coded into the template
13:08 ashimema       perhaps we should make it configurable
13:08 ashimema       hmm
13:09 * ashimema     is keener to support Maria than MySQL8 going forward personally
13:09 tuxayo         +1
13:10 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #13: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/13/
13:10 tuxayo         > I'm not sure we intend to backport further mysql8 fixes?
13:10 tuxayo         It's not like the patches are coming, they are here for other versions and haven't been backported likely.
13:10 tuxayo         I don't see myself digging in the previous versions to find MySQL 8 patches and risk breaking something...
13:11 ashimema       sounds fair to me
13:13 tuxayo         That would be surprising to find someone upgrading to 19.05.x and upgrade to MySQL 8. They would be better upgrading to a latter version that have better support.
13:13 tuxayo         Thanks for the advice.
13:17 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U20 build #22: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/22/
13:18 caroline       Interesting idea, maybe for wahanui? https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-problem-with-hey-guys "A group of government employees wrote a custom response for the messaging app Slack that would have a bot ask questions like 'Did you mean friends?' or 'Did you mean you all?' whenever a user wrote 'Hey guys'"
13:19 caroline       Let's make wahanui a texan y'all!
13:19 tuxayo         caroline: That seems the kind of thing very easy to teach wahanui
13:20 caroline       (as a french-speaker who briefly lived in Texas, y'all is a very natural word for plural you which we have in French)
13:21 tuxayo         Also "Hey cats". It depend about who controls caroline 's computer.
13:21 caroline       [off] funny anecdote, while living in Texas, I accidentally started dating a guy who asked "Do you want to hang out" and I though he was asking me and my friend... -_-
13:22 caroline       +1 for Hey cats!
13:22 oleonard       I am trying to use "y'all" as much as I can these days, and to normalize non-Texans using it
13:23 tuxayo         caroline: Does the previously mentionned idea of managing cats in Koha interest you? :P
13:23 tuxayo         As cat cafés exists, libraries could do the same.
13:24 * oleonard     wonders how many pages long his cats are
13:24 caroline       lol! They would have to be users/employees :)
13:24 oleonard       Is my cat realia?
13:24 tuxayo         realia?
13:24 caroline       cats are non-human people, not things
13:25 caroline       real-life object
13:26 tuxayo         caroline: who said Koha can't manage people? :P
13:26 caroline       We'd have to add MARC code for "person"
13:26 caroline       Is the name of the person the author or the title?
13:26 tuxayo         hmmmm
13:27 caroline       The person is the author of their own life?
13:27 tuxayo         Is there a mark code bicycle or thermometer?
13:27 tuxayo         cc oleonard
13:27 tuxayo         *marc
13:27 caroline       realia :)
13:27 caroline       or 3D object
13:29 oleonard       My cats are definitely 3-D
13:42 magnuse        "utf8 "\xEF" does not map to Unicode", i'm told. is there a way to replace/remove that "\xEF" from the string with a regex or something?
13:44 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10 build #273: STILL FAILING in 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/273/
13:44 magnuse        koha was used to manage people at kohacon10, if i am not mistaken
13:45 tcohen         magnuse there is
13:46 tcohen         maybe s/[^[:print:]]/ /g
13:48 magnuse        tcohen: sorry, no, same problem
13:48 tcohen         ah, no
13:48 tcohen         mine was about non-printable chars
13:48 tcohen         this is a wrong byte combination in unicode
13:49 magnuse        yeah, trying to munge som data from aleph
13:54 magnuse        from what i have been able to google up, i thought s/[\xEF]// would work, but it doesn't, and neither does s/\xEF//
13:56 * magnuse      gotta wander
14:00 tuxayo         magnuse: «koha was used to manage people at kohacon10, if i am not mistaken»
14:00 tuxayo         yay, what Koha has not managed will be the question. ^^
14:01 tuxayo         tcohen: hi o/ Thanks for the advice for fixing MariaDB 10.3 on 19.05.x, it works it was integrated :)
14:01 tuxayo         (the git history was already going to be messy and release late so integrating it wasn't a big deal actually.)
14:01 tuxayo         tcohen++
14:07 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
14:07 wahanui        Congratulations!
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14:13 ashimema       bug 8338 back to you cait
14:13 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8338 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Fines not cleared with dropbox mode
14:14 tcohen         nice to hear that, tuxayo
14:31 caroline       hum... I noticed the sample sql files are now yaml
14:32 caroline       is there a script to convert them to sql statements?
14:32 oleonard       Things move fast around here :D
14:42 Joubu          bug 24912
14:42 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Generate sql from yaml installer files
14:42 caroline       I found misc/load_yaml.pl
14:42 Joubu          it won't convert them to .sql
14:43 caroline       I'm trying it now, I'm guessing it does what I want, e.g. load fake patrons, etc
14:43 Joubu          but yes, they will be loaded
14:43 Joubu          yes, load_yaml.pl is what you want then
14:43 Joubu          with -f
14:43 caroline       ok thanks! :)
14:49 caroline       will we have to do the same with language-specific sqls or is this to pave the way to translatable data sets?
14:55 Joubu          tallestjoy: Hi Joy, could you modify the symlink on download.k-c.org?
14:55 Joubu          koha-19.11-latest-tar.gz
14:55 Joubu          should point to 19.11.07 (and change the owner, must be aleisha now)
14:55 tallestjoy     i will take a look.
14:55 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
14:55 wahanui        Congratulations!
14:55 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #16: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/16/
14:56 Joubu          tallestjoy: you won't be allowed to modify the owner actually
14:58 Joubu          @later tell rangi can you adjust the permission for the *-latest symlinks on download.k-c.org:/home/uploads/files? Like koha-latest.tar.gz must be owned by Lucas, koha-19.11-latest-tar.gz by aleisha, etc.
14:58 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:03 Joubu          @later tell rangi hum apparently we don't need it
15:03 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:04 Joubu          @later tell aleisha it seems that there is no a missing tar.gz file on download.k-c.org - /home/uploads/files/koha-19.11.07.tar.gz
15:04 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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15:30 tallestjoy     hi joubu yup it looks like martin beat me to changing the koha-19.11-latest symlink
15:33 Joubu          heh yes, I did not notice he was able to do it. Sorry for the noise then :)
15:42 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
15:42 wahanui        Congratulations!
15:42 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #18: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/18/
15:58 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
15:58 wahanui        Congratulations!
15:58 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10 build #275: FIXED in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/275/
16:00 cait1          tuxayo: haven't read back all the way, but if you have errors and don't fuzzy them, they can break the whole process
16:01 cait1          like... only half your files get copied into the translated directoreis or such things
16:01 tuxayo         cait1: that's the kind of info that needed.
16:01 cait1          only when you fuzzy them, they don't get parsed, don't make trouble and stay English
16:01 tuxayo         thanks, I fuzzied without really knowing why ^^"
16:01 cait1          or the pages break horribly because soem variable is missing... (some of the stuff that gets mistranslated is actually program code sneaking into translations)
16:02 tuxayo         > like... only half your files get copied into the translated directoreis or such things
16:02 tuxayo         😱😱😱
16:02 cait1          usually the very first thing we do for tstig oddities is switch to english and see if it happens there too
16:02 cait1          testing...
16:02 wahanui        i guess testing is important :)
16:02 cait1          good wahanui, botsnack cookie
16:02 cait1          wahanui botsnack cookie
16:02 wahanui        :)
16:03 cait1          gotta read a long spec, bbl :)
16:05 * tuxayo       completes the RMaint wiki page to make the part about checking translations more scary.
16:16 tuxayo         ashimema: I think I mostly sorted out the release :)
16:16 tuxayo         Have some time to check it out? (or anyone else)
16:16 tuxayo         https://gitlab.com/tuxayo/Koha/-/commits/19.05.x-draft
16:17 tuxayo         Next steps tagging, publishing the source code and announcements.
18:14 caroline       @later tell rangi can you help me with https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/merge_requests/353 I tried to follow the instructions, but I can't merge it
18:14 huginn         caroline: The operation succeeded.
18:20 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #250: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/250/
18:23 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #246: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/246/
18:23 ashimema       Looks perfect to me tuxayo
18:23 ashimema       Great work, well done
18:24 tuxayo         ashimema: thanks :) (release file pushed! :) )
18:24 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #244: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/244/
18:24 tuxayo         >_<
18:31 tuxayo         Joubu: tallestjoy
18:31 tuxayo         Maybe the fix of the 19.11.07 symlink when wrong.
18:31 tuxayo         http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2020-06-23#i_2262896
18:31 tuxayo         When uploading my release in noticed that the link was there but not the target
18:31 * tallestjoy   shrugs
18:32 tallestjoy     it looks like martin touched it after me, so he may have more up to date information
18:33 tuxayo         cc ashimema
18:33 tuxayo         yes was confused about who actually did the operation.
18:33 tuxayo         Indeed the unix user is martin
18:35 tuxayo         I should have better read the discussion, all the info was already there ^^"
18:35 tallestjoy     :)
18:36 tallestjoy     happy to help, but i don't have high level of permissions on download server.
18:42 tuxayo         tallestjoy: we have the same and it's enough to interact with all the files and symlinks in the download server.
18:42 tuxayo         I had not with the files of my predecessor.
18:44 ashimema       Yeah, we need Aleisha to upload the target again
18:44 ashimema       One of us.. might have been me whilst trying to fix something else.. got the symlink syntax backwards
18:45 ashimema       Which resulted in the file below overwritten
18:45 ashimema       By an empty symlink
18:47 tuxayo         ashimema:
18:47 tuxayo         > got the symlink syntax backwards
18:47 tuxayo         That happened to me several times also ^^"
18:47 ashimema       Indeed.
18:47 ashimema       It's easily done
18:47 ashimema       I'm happy to take the blame 😋
18:48 ashimema       Something was wonky when I got asked to fix them... But I may have made that particular one worse
18:48 ashimema       It happens . Easily fixed once aliesha is awake
19:15 tuxayo         After the release I have a revenge to take against Circulation.t For some reasons is almost never passes on the CI and don't passe any more locally.
19:19 oleonard       Oh, is Bug 25858 why I have staff who lost permission to do some things after we uprgraded?
19:19 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25858 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Borrower permissions are broken by update from bug 22868
19:23 tuxayo         @later tell Joubu The 20.05.01 release notes on the website still  mention «Debian Jessie with MySQL 5.5» and «announce the release of 19.11.07.»
19:23 huginn         tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
19:30 oleonard       tcohen around?
19:30 tcohen         yes
19:30 oleonard       What is the status of your work integrating DataTables and the API? I've lost track
19:30 tcohen         on 20.05, the cities table is using the API
19:31 tcohen         and it is a shame, but bug 25288 hasn't been pushed yet
19:31 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Make the libraries list use the API
19:31 tcohen         it basically adds the columns settings superpowers to the DT-API wrapper
19:31 tcohen         (its dependency, not itself)
19:31 tcohen         so, it is done
19:31 tcohen         :-D
19:32 oleonard       Excellent
19:32 wahanui        darn tootin' it is.
19:32 tcohen         two things to note:
19:33 tcohen         - Joubu considers the way we escape things in JS 'ugly'. This is worth taking a look for options, specially people involved in UI and familiar with the tools around
19:34 tcohen         (I don't really mind, I think it is fairly similar to what we end-up doing on TT, but I will support anyone improving it)
19:34 tcohen         - The coolest thing we did for this is embedding things
19:35 tcohen         so you requet an item with the full itemtype, and the holdingbranch as a library object, etc
19:35 tcohen         but it requires 'touching' the API spec, and so it must be discussed but is so f*ing easy to do
19:35 tcohen         :-D
19:36 oleonard       👍️
19:36 tcohen         neither the cities table or the libraries table embed things
19:36 tcohen         bummer
19:36 tcohen         Look at bug 20212 for a complete example
19:36 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Slowness in Receiving in Acquisitions
19:37 tcohen         ^^ that one is fully funcitonal, it is just the query to mimmick the behaviour is rather complex and I got good sample data recently to move it forward
19:38 oleonard       So if I'm looking for an example for how to work on something new I should look at 20212?
19:39 tcohen         if the table you're building will need to show info from different tables, then yes
19:39 tcohen         e.g. the patrons search table
19:40 tcohen         e.g. async display of items on a biblio ;-)
19:49 * oleonard     will study it.
19:49 oleonard       Thanks tcohen!
19:59 tuxayo         Question about the release. What does this means?
19:59 tuxayo         «then add a More entry (that will split the announcement so it looks fine in the front page). »
19:59 tuxayo         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance#Public_announcement
19:59 tuxayo         I don't find it
20:01 tuxayo         found!
20:07 tuxayo         The website part of the release seems okay ;D
20:07 tuxayo         https://koha-community.org/news/
20:16 magnuse        rangi can probably fill us in on the "managing people with koha at kohacon10" thing...
20:19 tuxayo         he he
20:20 tuxayo         Release of 19.05.12 done!!!!
20:20 tuxayo         confetti!
20:20 wahanui        o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
20:20 caroline       tuxayo++
20:21 tcohen         tuxayo++
20:22 tuxayo         Thanks to everyone who helped me here during the last two days 💚💚💚
20:23 rangi          magnuse: we are doing it again for kohacon20
20:24 rangi          taking all the registrations, making them borrowers, issuing workshops to them etc :)
20:24 rangi          issue each day for those in person
20:24 caroline       so they are borrowers!
20:24 rangi          so we know how is in the building, important for contact tracing in this world we are in now too
20:25 rangi          yeah
20:25 rangi          or you could od it
20:25 rangi          they are items
20:25 rangi          and the borrower is the conference
20:25 rangi          it works either way
20:25 caroline       I was having philosophical questionning about people being catalogued
20:26 rangi          maybe we will do it that way, we will catalogue each borrower, and issue them ou to the confernce :)
20:26 rangi          caroline: we do that for authors already, we just call them authority records :)
20:27 caroline       yup
20:27 rangi          some libraries did a thing where you could "borrow" a person
20:27 caroline       Yeah I saw that, I don't think they bothered to catalog them
20:27 rangi          yeah
20:27 caroline       especially if it's once or twice a year
20:27 caroline       not worth the hassle
20:28 rangi          i think we might catalogue them, and then have a scannable barcode on the nametag and they can selfcheck in and out :-)
20:28 rangi          we have to track people for covid-19 anyway
20:29 rangi          the idea about borrowers tho
20:29 rangi          is they can reserve the workshops
20:29 rangi          so it has advantages that way
20:29 rangi          (you can tell i still havent decided)
20:29 magnuse        rangi++
20:29 magnuse        tuxayo++
20:31 rangi          caroline: ill look at that merge request now
20:33 rangi          there we go, merged in
20:44 wizzyrea       has anyone ever seen this zebra failure
20:44 wizzyrea       zebraidx: insert.c:201: clean_page: Assertion `*indxp1 < 0' failed.
20:45 rangi          nope, but eeew
20:45 wizzyrea       it dies at 72% on a recordset of 480k
20:45 wizzyrea       and takes HOURS and i want to die.
20:45 rangi          its not RAM ?
20:46 wizzyrea       hrm
20:46 wizzyrea       well it didn't oom properly no
20:46 wizzyrea       related to the RAM setting in the config tho? the 50M one?
20:47 rangi          oh that could be it, you'd hope for a better error but maybe
20:47 wizzyrea       it doesn't in fact have a lot of headspace.
20:47 caroline       rangi, you make it sound so easy... I spent like 2 hours trying to merge it
20:47 wizzyrea       caroline: experience and repetition :D
20:47 rangi          heh, ive been using git for 11ish years now :)
20:48 wizzyrea       plus he's just rly good at that.
20:48 caroline       I'm sure you just look at the commit sternly and it gets in line
20:51 wizzyrea       that's pretty much how I observed it to happen.
20:53 rangi          caroline: http://git.koha-community.org/stats/kohadocs/authors.html only 16 to go and you pass me!
20:54 caroline       haha!
20:54 caroline       I will do my best!
20:55 rangi          i updated teh tags too so we can see changes between major releases
20:55 rangi          http://git.koha-community.org/stats/kohadocs/tags.html
20:57 ashimema       Cool
20:59 aleisha        hi
20:59 wahanui        salut, aleisha
21:00 wizzyrea       hi aleisha
21:01 rangi          did someone delete teh 19.11.07.tar.gz file?
21:02 ashimema       Aha
21:02 ashimema       Yes, there was an me confusion earlier
21:02 rangi          ahh right
21:03 ashimema       I'm not sure if it was me or not.. I was on there trying to sort out the symlinks at Joubu's request.
21:04 ashimema       It looked like someone had got the symlink command reversed..
21:04 ashimema       Anywho.. the short of it is.. any chance you still have a copy of the tar and could reupload it aliesha
21:04 ashimema       Apologies if it was me
21:06 rangi          yeah aleisha hadnt updated teh symlink, so i think the symlink syntax backwards will have messed it up, probably will need to reroll it, but that is doable
21:09 ashimema       Thanks
21:10 aleisha        should be all fixed up now
21:11 aleisha        my bad for missing the symlink instruction - maybe next time just let me know i've missed it and i'll fix it when i next get here :)
21:13 cait           aleisha++ :)
21:14 cait           I actually waited all day to do that tonight to honor your first release
21:14 kathryn        cait that is so nice, and hello!
21:14 wizzyrea       aleisha++
21:14 kathryn        hi wizzyrea :)
21:14 kathryn        and hi all, I continue to lurk!
21:14 wizzyrea       hi kathryn :D
21:15 aleisha        aw thank you cait ! :D hi wizzyrea
21:15 cait           :)
21:23 caroline       rangi, can I also ask for https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/merge_requests/356 ?
21:24 rangi          yep
21:24 rangi          ill look now
21:43 rangi          caroline: the issue here is the images.rst file
21:43 rangi          it adds an image1406
21:44 rangi          but we are already up to 1461
21:44 rangi          so ill fix, and find the refernce to 1406 and fix that too
21:46 rangi          ok, hows that?
22:30 cait           good night all :)
22:32 aleisha        night cait !