Time Nick Message 23:06 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 23:06 tcohen @later tell dcook I need more info on how your deb builder works :-D 22:05 tuxayo thanks ! 22:05 tuxayo cait: I see, it's the Category of material, which has letter codes 22:03 cait http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd007.html 22:03 cait the patch makes changes for 007 22:03 cait it looks ike something got mixed up between test plan and patch 22:02 cait 007 22:02 cait ah 22:02 cait that's the date 22:02 cait first and second don't ake sense 22:02 cait http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008.html 22:02 tuxayo tcohen: By «Once the README is complete it's not a big deal though» I meant «now that the README is complete» 22:02 cait hm 22:01 tuxayo I betrayed UNIMARC :P 22:01 tcohen tuxayo the README is complete. It suggests you download the bas_*.tgz if you need it, or create your own with clear instructions 22:01 tuxayo marc21 22:01 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25269 normal, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Needs Signoff , MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl does not display all formats (physical descriptions) 22:01 tuxayo bug 25269 22:00 cait and are you testing with marc21 or unimarc? 22:00 cait which bug is that? 21:59 tuxayo I have in my example record «880303s1988 nju 001 0 eng » 21:59 tuxayo «Edit a record to have the first and second postions in the 008 = 'cb'.» 21:59 tuxayo Library question: Does anyone know what this means? 21:55 tuxayo Now it's even better with your latest changes 21:55 tuxayo Once the README is complete it's not a big deal though. At least for users. 21:54 tuxayo It should be part of the build right? To generate a new base image. Or maybe another docker image. 21:53 tcohen and that's all 21:53 tcohen if this was part of some CI pipeline, the wget could just happen before docker build 21:53 tcohen to fetch it wieh calling docker build LOL 21:53 tcohen even for me, to upload the image to a specific place 21:53 tcohen it is not handy 21:52 tuxayo «you highlighted the design issue» What do you mean? 21:52 tuxayo https://copycat.drycat.fr/?97020a919590faff#6bqoYBd47K7LxpaNod3rJDs19nNdGJ7WXQUoSgEhQaPF 21:52 tuxayo Here is the new error that I got: 21:52 tcohen you highlighted the design issue 21:51 tcohen docker build, requires you download the image or generate it 21:51 tcohen it will have all the base.tgz bundled inside 21:51 tuxayo Docker build yes. 21:51 tcohen if you use docker run koha/koha-dpkg:master 21:51 tcohen right 21:51 tcohen ah no 21:51 tcohen it will now 21:50 tuxayo If in "docker run" there is "koha/koha-dpkg:master" then it shouldn't use any of my manually built stuff right? 21:50 tuxayo «If in "docker run" there is "koha/koha-dpkg:master" then it should use any of my manually built stuff right?» 21:50 tuxayo tcohen: I made a typo in my earlier message 21:43 tcohen tuxayo check the latest changes in koha-dpkg-docker 21:26 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , TinyMCE broken in Debian package installs 21:26 tuxayo rangi++ # thanks for bug 25485 :D 20:48 tuxayo It wasn't possible ?! :o 20:11 lisettelatah Good news for people on Windows who want to do dev stuff on a home computer: the next major windows 10 update that will be out later this month will enable docker desktop to be installed on a PC running Home instead of Pro or Enterprise 19:53 tuxayo prove t/db_dependent/api/v1/holds.t 19:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25535 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Hold API mapping maps cancellationdate to cancelation_date, but it should be cancellation_date 19:53 tuxayo for bug 25535 would the test plan be to run 19:53 tuxayo khall: hi o/ 19:25 tuxayo If in "docker run" there is "koha/koha-dpkg:master" then it should use any of my manually built stuff right? 19:24 tuxayo gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated 19:24 tuxayo https://copycat.drycat.fr/?97020a919590faff#6bqoYBd47K7LxpaNod3rJDs19nNdGJ7WXQUoSgEhQaPF 19:24 tuxayo tcohen: odd, I got an early error 18:49 tuxayo tcohen: Indeed there is an update. I rebuild it myself one hour ago (in case the perl deps where updated) 18:46 tcohen tuxayo try updating koha-dpkg 18:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #322: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/322/ 18:29 tuxayo Does anyone know a way to circumvent the current error related to CPAN::Meta::Prereqs when building a Koha package? 18:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #790: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/790/ 17:55 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #239: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/239/ 17:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #295: UNSTABLE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/295/ 17:29 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 17:29 tcohen @later tell dcook I don't see the step in which you build the .deb files 17:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1337: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1337/ 17:19 wahanui Congratulations! 17:19 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:16 tcohen mtj[m] mtj around? 17:15 ashimema So it's disabled by default 17:15 ashimema That's why I added a quick pref for it 17:15 ashimema Correct cait1 16:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #872: SUCCESS in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/872/ 16:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #321: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/321/ 16:24 reiveune bye 16:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #789: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/789/ 16:07 cait1 desks - configuration is there but no furhter functionality yet, right? 16:04 ashimema I'm a fan of showing off how much we help each other out in community and teach/learn from each other.. so feel free to suggest any bugs you might think need a 'Mentored-by' flag adding ;) 16:03 tuxayo got it! 16:03 ashimema do shout if you spot anything that needs adding tuxayo 16:03 ashimema they're getting there now.. 16:02 tuxayo ashimema++ cait++ # thanks for the release notes :D 16:02 tuxayo he he 16:00 cait not real spam at least :) 16:00 cait not spam 15:59 ashimema lots of BZ spam 15:59 ashimema sorry peeps 15:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24484: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4492fad72adc746b956c5f80684db0061df2dae0> 15:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24976: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=be34c35d60267a6ff972bfd9a526696702876308> 15:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23119: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d37e3d81da34be89c6d3c65df5fa14bdd16eae93> 15:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20370: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4debe59d276926691d866c9c594ca6e0327a8a1a> 15:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25130: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3acd1bce91e4d43c4abb2317d6650654d2e4ace8> 15:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20847: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a4372c2d579b070335108bce7ea728f3cc206fb> 15:57 cait bye Joubu 15:57 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25188: Sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7587975da2fbc470a4c336ad8fdb5afef8b88926> 15:57 cait :P 15:56 Joubu see you tomorrow #koha 15:56 Joubu ;) 15:56 Joubu cait, ashimema: you spammers! 15:55 cait love to see :) 15:55 cait it feels like we resolved a lot of the old 4-digit bug numbres with this release 15:51 cait ah i think conflict was resolved on pushing :) 15:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19793 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, david.roberts, RESOLVED FIXED, Add email to batch patron modification 15:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, david.roberts, RESOLVED FIXED, Add main address, phone, and mobile fields to the Batch patron modification tool 15:50 cait i am slightly confused by bug 20847 and bug 19793 as both seem to add email to batch mod for patrons? 15:48 cait i think it shoudl be 15:48 cait np, i also updated it to new feature 15:48 kidclamp I made some minor updates cait, thank you! 15:48 kidclamp minor updates cait 15:39 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1336: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1336/ 15:35 cait kidclamp: tried to add some release notes - you might want to check! 15:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #238: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/238/ 15:34 wahanui Congratulations! 15:34 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:33 cait kidclamp: around? Bug 14567 15:03 cait ghosts? 15:02 ashimema no idea why is suddenly passed :( 15:02 Joubu We also got a selenium failure that is fixed now... 15:01 ashimema most of the changes were simple sponsorship lines being added to bugs.. i.e. empty commits 15:01 ashimema weird Joubu 15:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #294: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/294/ 15:00 cait1 still working on my german feature list, so stumbling around bugzilla some more 15:00 cait1 understandable 15:00 ashimema cait I read many, but not all.. 14:59 ashimema er.. 14:49 Joubu do* 14:49 Joubu did you know what happened? 14:49 Joubu ashimema: I was trying to understand why search_utf8 was failing on D8 run 870, and I see that it is now fixed in 871 14:48 cait 17702 for example 14:48 cait ashimema: do you read the bug changes? I am trying to add some descriptions to fine related bugs, but they might need some proof reading 14:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #871: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/871/ 14:45 wahanui Congratulations! 14:45 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25277: Don't specify a field in query if none passed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=68bcc31dfcdfd48614843ff27a4594a69ef95ed7> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25278: Retrieve correct search fields for authorities <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f4ae28cd8de3ae60ab85bc914840a59ae4b1ec2> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25277: Unit test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=48ea8edb6188045f24aa3508a4fdb209369b1720> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25278: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f04129ca45171f8e9c115ca8e25b7dc4b9f9686e> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 11446: Use encodeURIComponent on search terms in authority lookup plugin <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8371d10fa5639690a3deb77b64f8079325993ff4> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25278: (follow-up) Fix other occurrences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0899d99b7c2ce5920664f4d4710869b2f0d25b81> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25308: Escape querystring for Z39.50 popup from cataloging <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a24e721dda54e67759c7c10d956ee63da6b8ec5> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25278: add clear_search_fields_cache method <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=067aa1c5f731bc9eac40ff53e6c3be2e58ef1c0f> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25527: Initialize the logger when required <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=48e3e6aafb04fbe6eea33da8550c9952a3f52a11> 14:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25527: Add logger to Koha::ExternalContent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05705ab2ad12aff3627eb53e7e4d56d6a4b20bcd> 14:33 tuxayo tcohen++ # thanks to your help now I can build koha-dpkg without a prebuilt base image. And also learned a lot about docker ^^ 14:29 oleonard cait1: I've been thinking about it :) 14:28 tuxayo Central US starting the day? 14:28 tuxayo o/ 14:27 cait1 good morning 14:27 lukeG Good morning Koha 14:27 talljoy good morning 14:25 tuxayo lol 14:24 cait1 oleonard: should we kill rounded corners in staff? I've heard they are no longer on trend ;) 14:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22970: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5117fab4890f86b8f11a129485917db3d357b920> 14:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #320: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/320/ 14:24 wahanui Congratulations! 14:24 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 14:17 cait1 not sure about librareis, possibly a lto have made it mandatory 14:17 cait1 it's mandatory in shops here too 14:17 oleonard All the staff here will be wearing masks when we reopen but I'll bet many of our patrons won't 14:16 cait1 yep 14:15 oleonard Seeing someone with a mask not covering their nose makes me so angry 14:14 cait1 I avvoid taking the bus, it makes me feel very uncomfortable 14:14 cait1 wearing a mask,b ut not covering the nose etc 14:14 cait1 it's mandatory in public transport here but it's upsetting to see how many people are cheating 14:13 oleonard Based on the people I see around town almost everyone has given up on wearing a mask in public (if they ever did) :( 14:12 oleonard New plexiglass dividers between public computers and in front of the circ desk 14:12 oleonard No events, no story-times, no public meeting room use... No furniture except at the computers 14:11 cait1 are you reopening with all services or are there some limitations/precautions taken? 14:09 * oleonard thinks it's too early to reopen but it's not my decision 14:09 oleonard We'll open for real in a week, but I'll continue to work from home since I can. 14:08 oleonard Computer wants to update all the things. Otherwise it's quiet. We're not really open yet. 14:08 cait1 how is it? 14:07 * oleonard back in the office (briefly) for the first time in two months... 14:05 tuxayo tcohen: that's why I signed it off anyway when package build wasn't blocked on the log4perl error. (also the test plans are working) 14:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_Deps build #14: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_Deps/14/ 14:04 tcohen 25527 is independent-ish from successfully packaging 14:03 tuxayo Joubu: that's it! 14:02 Joubu tuxayo: if it's about CPAN::Meta::Prereqs it's ok, we are on it 14:01 tuxayo Joubu No, I'm posting the logs here. 14:01 tuxayo > Was the package built successfully with 25527? 14:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25527 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Package does not build because of missing log4perl.conf 14:00 tuxayo *patch for bug 25527 works 14:00 tuxayo Whoops 14:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , TinyMCE broken in Debian package installs 14:00 tuxayo patch for bug 25485 works :D cc tcohen ashimema 14:00 Joubu tuxayo: Was the package built successfully with 25527? 13:52 Joubu it has been moved as a "trick" to avoid the tests to be run during the build process 13:52 Joubu it's a network issue 13:51 Joubu "> I: pbuilder: network access will be disabled during build" 13:51 Joubu tcohen: comment 18 13:50 tcohen just initialize it for unknown reasons 13:50 tcohen and also, they don't use Test::DBix::Class 13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23592: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdea1cbd22f2a51cd8269aa9f7db57acfd295e6c> 13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23593: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a00ca6a9d96aa9e9c01fe30619d883b4f50ee58d> 13:50 tcohen completely mocked sounds like not db_dependent 13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24252: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a425ec395cc96c6bb88528ad34ff7ff60f5337a> 13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24255: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cde48f92f5823dea3a8867fcaeab5b7a1902e8f> 13:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21567 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, WebService:ILS related tests fail during package build 13:50 Joubu bug 21567 13:49 Joubu tcohen: see 4e78070b80a24410de57e7b0c6da4db6bd2e3a7e 13:47 tcohen at all 13:47 tcohen it is weird that those tests were put in the db_dependent dir when they are not 13:47 Null404 yes 13:47 cait1 Null404: not super bad either 13:47 tuxayo he he 13:47 tcohen tuxayo: now that you say so, I don't think so 13:47 Null404 noot good 13:47 Null404 "The following ids exist in both tables reserves and old_reserves: 5555, 5556" and "You are missing the <tmp_path> entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please add it, pointing to the configured temporary directory for your Koha instance. The effective temporary directory is '/tmp'." 13:46 cait1 it will highlight issues with your installation 13:46 cait1 Null404: something else you might want to do: go to about koha > system ifnoration tab 13:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #237: UNSTABLE in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/237/ 13:46 Null404 good to know 13:45 tcohen yes 13:45 tcohen tuxayo yous 13:45 Null404 so after update I need to restart few services, right ? 13:45 huginn Bug 25527: blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Package does not build because of missing log4perl.conf 13:45 tuxayo https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25527#c5 13:45 tuxayo tcohen: Should the second patch also work with log4perl.conf missing? 13:45 cait1 ah, actually that was about my problem, but if it worked for you too the better: ) 13:45 Null404 so now only to translate staff mode and holds show problem and everything should be ok 13:44 Null404 very big thanks cait1, again :) 13:44 Null404 cait1: yes restarting memcache fix server sql error about reserve books that in quarantine 13:43 cait1 you need to check your crons probably 13:43 cait1 it usually only runs every hour by default or whenever you scheudled it 13:43 cait1 buildholdsqueue (or similar) 13:43 cait1 Null404: the hodlsqueue depends on a cronjob 13:41 Null404 and show new reservations 13:41 Null404 oh, okay, there is one problem: "Holds queue" don't updates but "Holds awaiting pickup" and "Hold ratios" works 13:40 cait1 tcohen: so how to clean the template cache? same as restarting memcached? 13:38 cait1 jajm: thx for clarifying the process for me .) 13:38 Null404 cait1: you mean memcache service ? 13:37 ashimema Thanks tuxayo 13:37 ashimema :) 13:37 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25527 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Package does not build because of missing log4perl.conf 13:37 tuxayo ashimema I'm looking at it 13:37 tuxayo > is anyone already testing bug 25527? 13:37 cait1 ok, so we need to continue testing on the server 13:37 jajm cait1, that's correct 13:36 tcohen update certainly removes the translation and regenerates it 13:36 cait1 jajm: is it korrekt that the .mo are not shipped with Koha (not in git) but will only be created when you isntall a language? 13:35 cait1 tcohen: what's the difference between update and translate for koha-translate? 13:35 cait1 would a restart memcache fix it then? 13:35 cait1 tcohen: various updates over months... and we usually do restart things 13:33 Null404 now is only three problems to fix: correct translation in staff mode, sql error about reserve books that in quarantine and how to sort "Circulation: Overdues" by date not by surname of reader 13:33 tcohen template cache? 13:32 tcohen it just sets env variables and paths 13:32 cait1 tcohen: we updated an existing 17.11 to various versionf of 18.11 but i have problems with the messages po file 13:32 tcohen exactly 13:32 jajm i believe koha-translate use the misc/translator/translate script, so it should not make any difference 13:32 tcohen what do you mean cait1 ? 13:31 cait1 compared to using the packagecommands 13:31 cait1 i wonder if using the "old" tools would make a difference 13:31 cait1 alright :) 13:31 jajm yes 13:30 cait1 are you still using git based? 13:30 jajm cait1, no, but i'm not familiar with the package installation method 13:30 Null404 no problem 13:30 cait1 that was a bad typo on my part 13:30 cait1 Null404: oh sorry 13:30 Null404 and now is working perfectly 13:30 Null404 cait1: In yours report :http://paste.koha-community.org/20548 there is small error to fix: It should be "renew" instead "renewal" 13:29 cait1 it's a package install and likely we have used the package commands 13:29 cait1 jajm: are you aware of any issues with creating that file? 13:28 Null404 hey cait1 13:28 cait1 i will have my coworkr check for the file 13:28 cait1 we reinstalled the language on a package installation, but it didn't help 13:28 cait1 ah ok 13:28 cait1 we roll our own packages, if they are on my branch, they shoudl be in the package as well, right? 13:28 jajm cait1, it is created by `./translate install de-DE` 13:27 cait1 hm how and when does this get created? 13:26 jajm cait1, verify that you have misc/translator/po/de_DE/LC_MESSAGES/Koha.mo 13:26 Joubu and the po? 13:25 Joubu what does contain the template? 13:25 cait1 Could it be a missing dependency on the server? i got it working in my devbox, but fail on our test installations 13:24 cait1 always English 13:24 Joubu ok ToMaSiTo 13:24 cait1 Joubu: exactly 13:24 tcohen hahaha 13:24 tcohen I warn you Joubu it seems I will itroduce typos all day 13:23 tcohen Joubu+ 13:23 tcohen JOubu++ 13:23 tcohen Thanks Joubu 13:22 Joubu cait1: translations are not picked? 13:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25529 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] 20.05 debian packages 13:21 Joubu ashimema, tcohen: bug 25529 13:20 cait1 I thik biblibre also uses 18.11 possibly? 13:19 cait1 jajm: Or maybe you can help? 13:19 cait1 and the po file is ok: https://translate.koha-community.org/de/18.11/translate/de-DE-messages.po 13:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21789 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, CLOSED FIXED, Example usage of I18N Template::Toolkit plugin 13:19 cait1 it's bug 21789 13:19 cait1 we can't get it to work on our 18.11... and i'd like to debug it but not sure where to start 13:18 cait1 Joubu: are you familiar with how translations via he new TT plugin work? 13:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #788: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/788/ 13:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1335: UNSTABLE in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1335/ 13:10 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25527 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Package does not build because of missing log4perl.conf 13:10 ashimema is anyone already testing bug 25527? 13:10 Joubu great, thx mtj! 13:09 mtj deb [trusted=yes] http://apt.kohaaloha.com/koha-nightly dev main 13:09 mtj hi Joubu, nightly packages are here-ish.. 12:36 tuxayo thaaaaanks 12:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25527 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Package does not build because of missing log4perl.conf 12:35 Joubu tuxayo: bug 25527 12:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #293: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/293/ 12:33 tuxayo No because that would break DevBoxes and KTD right? 12:33 tuxayo Joubu: I would like to, but I don't know where to investigate. Would the dep be missing from the koha-nightly? 12:31 Joubu tuxayo: are you working on it? 12:28 tuxayo tcohen: now I better understand a part of your email. I also get the fail about /etc/koha/log4perl.conf :D 12:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #870: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/870/ 12:10 tuxayo That will come handy in the future. 12:10 mtj Joubu: re nightly pkgs , give me 10 12:10 tuxayo Though I think I wasn't far to be able to rebuild koha-dpkg 12:10 tuxayo I hope finally manage to built packages :D 12:09 tuxayo hi tcohen o/ 12:08 Null404 ok, it should be "renew" 12:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25527 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Package does not build because of missing log4perl.conf 12:06 Joubu mtj: bug 25527 12:06 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23403: Remove cardnumber from SIP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=23dd6651f83e42200185130bd340520ea2e945f1> 12:06 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23403: List borrowernumber in the ILS::Patron fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=29f797b9808f513ca4ba662729f6a8a81edcda68> 12:03 Null404 should be renewal or renew ? 12:03 Null404 I still looking in this report: http://paste.koha-community.org/20548 and now is fine, but it doesn't count renewal to visits 11:58 Joubu good to know 11:58 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Allow to localize and translate system preferences with new yaml based installer 11:58 Joubu magnuse: yes this will be possible with bug 24973, then nb-NO could be removed 11:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #319: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/319/ 11:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23442: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f32789be1396817da459493693f4d36f663d4e95> 11:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24080: Add sponsorship details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9223a483f1695ea73ee199bd7a001722ecf47f8f> 11:55 magnuse Joubu and ashimema: (sorry for the delay), as cait1 has said, i have used installer/data/mysql/nb-NO both to translate things like greetings (mr/ms/mrs) and set sysprefs to sane defaults (time format etc) 11:54 wahanui que tal, Null404 11:54 Null404 hello 11:53 tcohen morning 11:40 Joubu mtj: do we have a nightly package built? We used to have one, but is it still available? 11:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25284 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Can't open /var/log/koha/kohadev/opac-error.log (Permission denied) 11:39 Joubu for bug 25284, I'd like to confirm we won't be hit by permission issues 11:39 Joubu mtj: if you install from a new built package, could you tell me the result of ls -l/var/log/koha/kohadev/* ? 11:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #787: FIXED in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/787/ 11:38 wahanui Congratulations! 11:38 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 11:38 tuxayo mtj: actually it's your productivity that will be sabotaged :P 11:38 mtj Joubu: np, i'll sing out, if i get stuck :) 11:37 Joubu so you don't need me for the packaging issues, good :) 11:35 mtj tuxayo: thanks! protondb looks amazing 11:32 * ashimema just fired off a D10_Deps build.. been a while since I ran that 11:31 mtj ah yes, the tinymce bz... 11:30 mtj i only had to apply 25068, to build master on deb9/stretch 11:30 mtj awesome, thanks 11:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25068 blocker, P1 - high, ---, dcook, Signed Off , koha-common build error caused by missing /etc/searchengine 11:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25481 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , koha-plack not working under D10 11:29 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , TinyMCE broken in Debian package installs 11:29 Joubu bug 25485, bug 25481, bug 25068 (you validated this one) 11:28 mtj i am happy to take a look 11:28 mtj Joubu: can you paste me the bz numbers of the packaging blockers 11:27 mtj hmm, ok... i might be a bit behind on the blockers 11:27 Joubu seems that this assumption is wrong then 11:26 Joubu so we need them all applied to have the package built correctly 11:26 Joubu I've seen you added your stamp on one of them. But in my understanding each of them was blocker 11:25 mtj longer answer... nooooo 11:25 ashimema ta 11:25 mtj Joubu: i think the short answer is no 11:25 ashimema :) 11:25 mtj if it doesnt need to run at a specifc time.. its just a 'daily' job 11:24 Joubu mtj: did you test all packaging related patches? 11:24 ashimema no need to hold a simple feature back.. 11:24 ashimema similar reasoning for not depending on the job queue bug 11:24 ashimema there's a bigger question here.. just not in the scope of this bug I feel 11:24 mtj agree 11:23 ashimema so how/why would one document this one differently 11:23 ashimema we don't document an exact time for any other jobs 11:23 ashimema for that hook I was going to document that it's just 'daily' and not specify a time.. deliberately 11:22 ashimema he wants full control over all the jobs I feel 11:22 ashimema I think what de-railed it is that dcook doesn't like that we use .daily at all 11:22 mtj ...i lazily assumed that it literally needed to be run at night 11:21 mtj ashimema: ah, then no problem :) 11:21 ashimema it's intended to be 'daily'.. 11:21 tuxayo dcook++ # thanks for the work on package bugs 11:21 ashimema my question then, is why do you need to set a specific time mtj 11:20 tuxayo No one is safe now! 11:20 tuxayo https://www.protondb.com/app/271590 11:20 tuxayo Especially when Linux isn't anymore a way shelter oneself from games ^^ 11:20 tuxayo > mtj are you trying to sabotage someone's productivity? 11:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #236: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/236/ 11:19 mtj ashimema: i think 25245 needs to be a cron.d job, as its the only way to set a specific job time (without re-scheduling at the other cron.daily jobs too) 11:17 mtj oleonard: no comment :) 11:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25245 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Add a plugin hook to allow running code on a nightly basis 11:15 ashimema bug 25245 mtj 11:15 ashimema it's a plugins hook 11:14 ashimema haha 11:14 oleonard mtj are you trying to sabotage someone's productivity? 11:11 mtj ...a bit off-topic, but GTA5 is free this week on the epic store 11:10 mtj hi tuxayo :) 11:10 mtj ashimema: curious... what was the cron task? 11:09 tuxayo hi #koha o/ 11:09 mtj ..or perhaps just keep it simple, and add it to cron.d? :) 11:08 mtj if it needs to run at a specific time during the day, add it to cron.d 11:08 mtj if the job is ok to run whenever in the morning, add it to cron.daily 11:06 ashimema even 11:06 ashimema :) 11:06 ashimema ): 11:05 mtj ashimema: we agree :) 11:04 * ashimema just read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto 11:04 ashimema cron.daily all run 'some time after a time set by anacron' 11:04 ashimema cron.d all run at the time specified in the cron file. 11:03 ashimema other way around I think 11:03 mtj aah, yes.. good point, the cron.daily jobs all run at a set time (usually 6am?) 10:58 ashimema Joubu ^ 10:58 ashimema .daily, .hourly etc 10:58 ashimema the others are anacron and so will run 'some time after X, with delay Y and retry if the machine is off at the time' 10:58 ashimema cron.d 10:58 ashimema one is a crontab file and runs at times X 10:57 ashimema and in my understanding they actually operate differently 10:57 ashimema mm 10:56 mtj ..its where all the other daily koha cron jobs are 10:55 mtj ashimema: i am indifferent :) - but i think cron.daily is the established rule 10:51 ashimema but dcook seems keen for it to be in cron.d instead.. I'm not sure I really understand why 10:51 ashimema I added to cron.daily as it seemed pretty sensible.. 10:50 ashimema for a daily task getting added to the packages.. would you suggest cron.d vs cron.daily mtj ? 10:47 ashimema mtj++ 10:46 mtj ^ thanks cait, my pleasure :0) 10:46 mtj back 10:45 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 13881: (RM follow-up) Make 'Desks' feature optional <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=85243da0b437b30676a6d4d4f490be7c917d5d10> 10:45 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 13881: DBRev 19.12.00.090 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc421faa0d90da91a14d1d900103d732b732b5bf> 10:38 did hi, koha unable to deal with SRU server reply msg type <diagnostics>, it's a Koha issue or a ZOOM one? 10:29 Null404 *on that day\ 10:28 Null404 is that normal that set book from quarantine status to avaiable to borrow status add one more visit to library on that that book was set to quarantine ? 10:27 oleonard Slow down I haven't even had breakfast 10:26 cait1 lunch :) 10:20 ashimema will take another look in a minute 10:19 cait1 ashimema: maybe you can have a look too, it's dcook's last comment we were talking about 10:19 cait1 hm commented 10:16 Null404 i'm looking error logs but there is only one type of error " Unknown column 'notloan' in 'field list' ", there wasn't anny errors about reservations 10:16 cait1 if you want ot change it... you can change it either or 10:16 cait1 i don't understnad the argument to be honest 10:15 cait1 ah 10:15 cait1 which comment? 10:14 Joubu there is an open question 10:11 cait1 simple solution, the nightly one 10:11 cait1 hm i would lvoe to have that too 10:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25245 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Add a plugin hook to allow running code on a nightly basis 10:11 cait1 bug 25245 10:06 ashimema I'd still love to see 25245 in to be honest.. it's completely self contained and I really can't understand why it got blocked 10:06 ashimema that's better 09:55 ashimema oh well.. next cycle 09:54 ashimema there's lots here I wish had made it through QA.. :( 09:50 ashimema also doing that now 09:50 ashimema agreed 09:50 Joubu ashimema: also maybe enh should be unflagged 09:48 ashimema going through the list now 09:48 Joubu I've added several bugs that must be part of 20.05, it would be good to have the list "clean" to highlight where people should focus on 09:45 ashimema I manually do it 09:45 ashimema nope.. 09:45 Joubu ashimema: do you have a script to remove the 20.05 candidate tag for already pushed bug reports? 09:40 cait1 mtj++ btw - thx for being packaging manager again 09:38 * mtj back in 20 - i have some baking stuff to sort out! 09:37 mtj i was thinking of using it to track a koha-packing project, for myself 09:37 mtj hi cait1, aah yes - i was playing with taiga 09:36 cait1 (18.05) 09:36 ashimema that was my understanding too 09:36 ashimema :) 09:36 cait1 mtj i noticed you changed a really old taiga project :) 09:36 * mtj needs to confirm that theory ^ :) 09:35 mtj ..now with jessie being dropped - we should be ok 09:35 mtj i think the catch was... if we fixed them for buster, we broke them for jessie 09:34 mtj i need to take another look at the mojo packagaes again 09:32 mtj i have the nightly builds working again 09:31 ashimema brill 09:30 mtj yes, but havent replied just yet 09:30 ashimema have you seen tcohens email? 09:30 ashimema :) 09:30 mtj ashimema: ill be working on packaging stuff for the next few days... so far - so good 09:27 ashimema i.e. you don't change any pref defautls 09:27 ashimema magnuse, it's simply to migrate your translations into the po's on pootle assuming you don't have any localizations built into your translated .sql pref files 09:27 mtj hi ashimema, im doing great thanks 09:22 Joubu magnuse: why do you need installer/data/mysql/nb-NO? 09:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Allow to localize and translate system preferences with new yaml based installer 09:16 magnuse bug 24973 09:16 magnuse is the things that need to be done to the languages described anywhere? 08:56 ashimema okies 08:56 ashimema indeed 08:56 Joubu I think we have enough :D 08:56 Joubu 2 blockers, 5 criticals, release in 5 days 08:56 Joubu 2 08:55 ashimema one think off my pile for now then :) 08:55 ashimema brill 08:55 ashimema hope momentum carries in 20.11 cycle for it :) 08:55 Joubu we should focus on the removal of other xx-YY for 20.11, then help that with 24973 08:55 ashimema true 08:55 ashimema okies.. I'll happily bow to that 08:55 Joubu and we only have es-ES that have been replaced 08:55 Joubu ashimema: I think it's too late for 20.05 08:54 ashimema I'm in need of an update on the current state of affairs packaging wise for release 08:53 wahanui I haven't seen 'all', ashimema 08:53 ashimema seen all the flurry of packaging work.. the last week or two? 08:53 ashimema how are you mtj? 08:53 ashimema wait for 20.11? 08:52 ashimema what's your feeling there 08:52 ashimema it feels very close to being a bug vs enhancement to me.. so even if we don't get it for 20.05.00 I'd encourage the rmaints to pick it up for .01 I reckon 08:52 ashimema I'm not desperately attached to it for 20.05.. but if it's simple enough to include I'd be happy to Joubu.. 08:51 mtj ashimema, dcook- thanks for the heads up ^ :) 08:51 Joubu Null404: https://translate.koha-community.org/user/Janusz/ you should try and contact him 08:51 Joubu I flag it for 20.11, are you asking because you want it for 20.05? 08:50 Null404 Joubu: no 08:50 ashimema looks like a viable approach to me.. but needs a test 08:50 ashimema Bernardo has diligently split localization from translation for us now in a new proof concept patch 08:50 Joubu Null404: Janusz is the one who is actively translating the Polish strings. Do you know him? 08:50 ashimema I 'think' the code looks reasonable 08:50 cait1 waht's the problem? 08:49 cait1 it's me, whoever 08:49 ashimema this one, in my feeling could still make it if it all makes sense 08:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Allow to localize and translate system preferences with new yaml based installer 08:49 ashimema I'd love to get some feedback on bug 24973 from someone wanting to actually use the localization side of things.. as you raised the issue it would be awesome if you could take a look :) 08:48 ashimema or is it cait1 08:48 ashimema cait around? 08:48 Joubu and get involved in the translation process I suppose 08:48 Joubu You are asking different things. For the translation question you should ask this mailing list: koha-translate@lists.koha-community.org 08:44 Null404 "waiting since", "home branch" also was translated 08:43 Null404 but in 17.11 text like "avaible", "year", "not for loan" was translated, in 18.11 not 08:42 ashimema did I misread.. are you upgrading to 18.11 or 19.11 ? 08:42 Joubu Because Polish strings are not fully translated: https://translate.koha-community.org/pl/19.11/ 08:41 Null404 and I don't know why OPAC is in correct language, staff site is half english, half polish 08:39 Null404 and I don't know how to fix that :/ 08:39 Null404 I know that I have errors after update 08:39 Joubu if not, no need to continue. You need to fix that first. 08:38 Joubu Null404: on Friday you had a very weird setup, with line numbers in the error logs that did not match the codebase. Did you do something to fix that? 08:36 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 08:36 ashimema @later tell mtj dcook recommends you update the debian/control to your name rather than Mirko 08:36 Null404 strange 08:36 Null404 "Holds queue" don't work but "Hold ratios to calculate items needed " works (I think) 08:36 ashimema thanks 08:36 dcook Good night / morning everyone 08:36 dcook Ok actually going to go now heh 08:34 dcook Since we've started moving to Ubuntu for our Koha servers, I'm doing a lot more on the Debian packaging front these days. Still have packaging libcache-memcached-fast-safe-perl for Debian proper on my TODO list... 08:33 dcook Mason should update the debian/control with his name and email too I suppose 08:33 dcook Hmm crazy.. 08:32 ashimema He was around early in the 19.05 cycle.. but not allot 08:32 ashimema yeah 08:31 dcook Actually maybe older 08:31 dcook Hmm no activity on Github since May 2018 08:30 ashimema none of us has managed to reach him.. email, text etc all tried 08:30 ashimema not sure.. hope he's OK. 08:30 ashimema mm 08:30 ashimema I should remove him from the team really 08:30 dcook Hope there's nothing wrong on his end 08:30 dcook Yikes.. 08:30 dcook :o 08:29 ashimema just to note.. we've not heard from Mirko at all this entire cycle 08:29 dcook Mmm explains a bit 08:29 ashimema Mason is in.. 08:29 ashimema Mirko is out 08:27 Joubu ho right, it's auto-generated 08:27 dcook Just my ignorance in the official release process 08:27 dcook I figured maybe Mirko had some process for updating debian/control, so I just didn't want to step on any toes and screw up the release ina ny way 08:26 dcook But I don't see when anyone does run "update-control" aside maybe from Mirko when doing official packages? 08:26 dcook There was a comment that said "Do not manually edit "control" or your changes will be clobbered when you", so I figured I'd listen to that 08:25 dcook Oh no idea really 08:24 Joubu why should not we push this one? 08:24 Joubu dcook: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=105004 08:24 dcook I'm a lucky guy heh 08:24 ashimema yum 08:24 dcook Nice seeing you too 08:24 dcook night ashimema 08:24 dcook Leftover Korean BBQ turned fried rice.. 08:24 ashimema nice to see you 08:24 ashimema night dcook 08:23 * dcook looks lookingly towards the kitchen 08:23 dcook Going to log off now otherwise 08:23 dcook Joubu: Let me know if you need anything else? 08:23 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25485 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , TinyMCE broken in Debian package installs 08:23 dcook Hoping Kyle will sign off Bug 25485 08:22 dcook Actually bug 25068 as you can't build any master packages without that one.. 08:22 dcook Well test/sign off 08:22 dcook Joubu: If you could sign off Bug 25524, that would be great 08:22 Joubu we need them fixed for 20.05 08:21 Null404 dcook: okay 08:20 * dcook has spent all day working on packaging issues so glad for anyone else working on the same ones too 08:20 dcook thank you too! 08:20 Joubu thx 08:20 dcook Joubu: Cool. I can do that. 08:20 dcook Null404: Alas, I'm about to leave for dinner in a minute, so I can't help you out there 08:20 Joubu both 08:20 ashimema I need to get myself aquainted with the state of D10 packaging.. must admit I've lost touch with it the past couple of weeks :( 08:20 dcook Just your patch or both? 08:19 Joubu you can SO 08:19 Joubu so now it works, with the space 08:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25524 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Debian packages always append to /etc/koha/sites/$site/log4perl.conf 08:19 dcook Bug 25524 08:19 dcook Oops 08:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25068 critical, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , koha-common build error caused by missing /etc/searchengine 08:19 dcook Although fixing it creates another problem with Bug 25068 08:18 dcook I've attached a follow-up 08:18 dcook Joubu: I was going to, but your patch had some errors in it 08:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25510 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Typo in koha-common.postinst causing shell errors 08:17 Joubu dcook: can you sign bug 25510 off? 08:17 Null404 and visits raport count double 08:16 Null404 after update to KOHA 18.11 Holds queue don't update new reservations 08:16 ashimema mm 08:15 dcook I suppose libraries integrating their own websites into Koha's APIs would have its downsides too though in terms of nimbleness... 08:15 wahanui Greetings, programs! 08:15 Null404 Hello there 08:15 dcook I'd love to see a day where the OPAC is first and foremost a reference implementation of a Koha front end 08:14 dcook If we did build up the API more, it would be easier to gain that modularity.. 08:14 ashimema indeed 08:13 dcook 're all supporting customers as our main activities 08:13 dcook I suppose the tough thing is that we 08:13 dcook No argument here 08:11 ashimema We could learn a few things from it 08:09 dcook sounds good 08:09 dcook I'm intrigued by Folio, but just haven't seen enough yet 08:09 ashimema brb.. need to reboot 08:08 dcook heh 08:08 * ashimema should add there that my words are my own.. not those of ptfs-e ;) 08:08 dcook I mean it seems like they have the resources and buy in to keep it moving 08:08 dcook Lots of errors in the backend too.. 08:08 ashimema still not as much as Koha 08:08 dcook I think I was told that EDS would be the only supported front end 08:08 ashimema There's allot more to Folio now 08:07 dcook Last time I used Folio, it didn't have a front end 08:07 ashimema even though in reality to me it doesn't feel like they actually offer it in reality 08:07 dcook I'm intrigued but skeptical 08:07 ashimema they're really pushing that hard here.. 08:07 ashimema the whole 'App Store' philosophy 08:07 ashimema indeed 08:07 ashimema I like the idea of some plugins ending up as adopted by the community.. they can continue to be plugins or they can migrate to core. 08:07 dcook The proposed modularity? 08:07 dcook What is the big selling point for Folio that we can't answer? 08:06 dcook I like the idea of people using a plugin for it for a while before trying to mainstream it 08:06 ashimema we have of course had them for a while now.. but we need to make them much more up front and centre to our community mission I feel.. 08:06 dcook Like I put so much effort into that, and while I could still keep working to get it into the mainstream... it's still pretty experimental overall 08:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client 08:06 dcook I mean I think it's the way forward with my Bug 10662 work too 08:06 ashimema without them the likes of Folio have a big selling point which we can't answer 08:05 dcook That's true 08:05 ashimema but I do feel plugins are very much worthwhile and will really help Koha continue to compete.. 08:05 ashimema there's various area's I feel we can improve there 08:05 dcook I like the idea of adding cool new functionality quickly but security is really important too 08:04 dcook I've reviewed a fair bit of plugin code and I almost always reject it when librarians suggest it 08:04 ashimema indeed 08:04 dcook ie allow only X plugins by Y authors 08:04 dcook In my case, I'm trying to be as restrictive as possible 08:04 dcook Actually yeah I guess the metadata separation would be security motivated too.. 08:03 ashimema performance is a happy coincidence 08:03 ashimema yeah.. my work was security motivated 08:03 dcook That would be great 08:03 dcook :o 08:03 ashimema have a branch where I do some fairly radical changes to our structure that improve both security and performance by making installation and execution much more distinct 08:03 dcook I meant to look more into that one, but I'm more interested in security than performance at the moment for plugins 08:02 dcook Yeah, I saw a lot of that. 08:02 dcook Hence why I worked non-stop on Debian packaging today heh 08:02 dcook We are doing a shift over here though, which is exciting. Moving away from OpenSuse and towards Ubuntu for Koha. 08:02 ashimema I've actually been digging pretty hard into plugins around the metadata separation stuff 08:02 dcook I'd love to try being RM one day, but yeah there's no way I would be able to donate the time 08:02 ashimema a few times I think 08:01 dcook Mmm fair enough 08:01 ashimema he has 08:01 ashimema I'd have loved to have done another cycle but alas the powers that be couldn't justify donating my time for another 6 months 08:01 dcook Good luck with the school holidays 08:01 dcook Has Joubu been RM before? I can't remember now... 08:01 dcook Ah, I just found the roles for 20.11 08:01 ashimema I'm out.. Joubu takes over 08:01 ashimema well.. I intend to pick it back up in earnest in a couple of weeks (this week is release week, next week is school hols) 08:00 dcook Is this your last term or do you have another after this? 08:00 ashimema mmm 08:00 dcook It's coincidence in my case heh 08:00 ashimema come the last 4 weeks everyone is throwing everything at you as much as the possibly can 08:00 dcook That's unfortunate 08:00 dcook :( 08:00 ashimema that's my biggest beaf with being RM actually... the first three months of a cylce are generally pretty dead.. right when you want to be doing all the experimental and bigger changes.. 07:59 dcook The pandemic is what helped me do some work outside of work hours 07:59 dcook Hehe 07:59 dcook Since I wrote that signature code, I haven't really been coding much at all in my free time 07:59 ashimema if people didn't wait until the end of the cycle to help out and do loads of enhancements then it may have made it this cycle ;) 07:59 dcook I keep meaning to look at my security signature stuff again in light of importing plugins from Github 07:59 dcook <3 07:59 ashimema I've beent rying dcook 07:59 ashimema yup 07:58 dcook And managing plugins at a per-instance level would be a bit of a maintenance headache.. 07:58 dcook I think I'd do more plugins if we improved the security for it more 07:58 ashimema I've been pushing for it here but AndrewIsh seems dead set against it for some reason and I've not had a moment to dig into it myself yet 07:58 dcook Makes sense 07:58 ashimema tcohen does ILL as plugins already 07:58 dcook And without seeing the standard and knowing which exact ILL services were targeted... I had to estimate quite vaguely 07:57 dcook Like there were the 2 ISO standards, but it seems like most ILSes integrate with OCLC using the 2nd one 07:57 dcook (nice magnuse :D) 07:57 dcook OCLC's documentation was really inconsistent 07:57 magnuse ah, there is actually a config for where backends are stored: <backend_directory>__PERL_MODULE_DIR__/Koha/Illbackends</backend_directory> in etc/koha-conf.xml 07:57 dcook I estimated pretty high though because I didn't have enough information about OCLC's side 07:56 dcook yes, although I can't remember off the top of my head 07:56 paul_p dcook, have you evaluated how complex it would be to develop this backend ? (how many hours/days of development) 07:56 dcook If I recall correctly, I think my boss said we'd be happy to collaborate or maybe even subcontract that work 07:56 dcook True perhaps just a coincidence in terms of timing 07:55 paul_p OCLC has many customers, so not a so big coincidence 07:55 dcook What a coincidence! 07:55 dcook Oh, nope. Elsewhere I believe. 07:55 paul_p from netherlands ? 07:55 dcook We actually run an Australian ILL network ourselves, so I'm tempted to do an ILL backend for that as well, which could be great for Koha in Australia... 07:55 paul_p dcook, it's a european one ? 07:54 dcook Whoever does it, it'll be a win for Koha 07:53 dcook Now that you mention it, it's probably the same potential customer 07:53 dcook Hehe true 07:53 paul_p dcook, very interesting comment regarding OCLC, because I've a potential customer who is asking me. we may compete on "who do it" ;) 07:51 dcook Hope that answers paul_p's questions too 07:51 dcook Thanks cait1 and magnuse :). I've been meaning to ask about that. 07:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19605 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ILL backends should be pluggable through regular Koha plugins 07:51 magnuse bug 19605 07:51 dcook Although I bet you could just add a different dir to @INC and get the same effect.. 07:50 magnuse yup 07:50 dcook That seems a bit automagical :/ 07:50 magnuse there has been talk about turning backends into plugins, but not much work on it, i think 07:50 magnuse any folders below that are seen as separate backends 07:49 dcook In a few months, if we get funding, we might be adding a ILL backend for some OCLC ILL systems 07:49 cait1 yep 07:49 magnuse On Debian: /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Illbackends/ 07:49 dcook Ahhh interesting 07:49 cait1 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_backends 07:48 * dcook hasn't seen the installation notes on the wiki 07:48 cait1 (they are separate git repositories usually) 07:48 cait1 did you see the installation notes on the wiki? 07:48 cait1 I think you usually symlink them 07:48 dcook bonjour paul_p 07:48 dcook Oooh I'm curious about that too 07:40 paul_p quick question: where are the ILL backends stored in the source code tree ? 07:39 paul_p hello #koha, good morning 07:07 dcook I suppose but I don't have any way to reproduce it :/ 07:05 magnuse just "That was... bizarre" should do 07:01 dcook I don't even know what to say in a bug report for that one.. 07:00 dcook That was... bizarre 07:00 dcook Actually, I had a server nearly get taken down by a SIP server that was swapping like crazy even though there was free RAM available... 07:00 dcook Don't think I've managed to do much else today but that O_O 06:59 magnuse dcook++ 06:59 * dcook is just opening and patching all the debian packaging bugs today lol 06:59 dcook yo magnuse 06:50 magnuse \o/ 06:34 reiveune hello 06:29 dcook ashimema: I know dashboard.koha-community.org says that master is building, but I reckon the Debian package build for master is broken without the patch for tha tbug 06:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25068 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-common build error caused by missing /etc/searchengine 06:28 dcook Bug 25068 05:55 dcook Hola #koha 01:43 mtj i like the aptly idea too :) 01:39 mtj perhaps i could start rsyncing the repo to http://debian.koha-community.org/koha-nightly 01:37 mtj echo 'deb [trusted=yes] http://apt.kohaaloha.com/koha-nightly dev main' > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list 01:37 mtj packages are currently unsigned, so... 01:35 mtj latest packages are in http://apt.kohaaloha.com/koha-nightly/deb/unstable 01:34 mtj the packages are being copied to http://apt.kohaaloha.com/koha-nightly/deb 01:33 mtj http://apt.kohaaloha.com/koha-nightly 01:32 mtj tcohen: i do have a working(ish) koha-nighly repo... 01:31 mtj hi #koha