Time  Nick             Message
06:28 reiveune         hello
06:48 alex_a           Bonjour
06:48 wahanui          what's up, alex_a
07:59 Joubu            ashimema: follow-up attached on bug 24161
07:59 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Late orders improvements - keeping track of claims
08:00 Joubu            test is failing on https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/lastCompletedBuild/consoleFull (#1328)
08:06 ashimema         Thanks Joubu
08:09 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24161: Fix failing test (when running slow) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33a44e438376a567966e80100c1ef4a3c06b215d>
08:29 TimothyAlexis    ashimema, Joubu and oleonard this is about the layout in opac-main.tt that I mentioned: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25477
08:29 huginn           Bug 25477: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , The responsive design in opac-main.tt should be correct
08:30 ashimema         fire away
08:30 TimothyAlexis    I've made corrections in opac-main.tt but before I submit a proposed patch I'm wondering how the opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css/opac_19.0504000.css is generated.
08:33 ashimema         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_SCSS_in_the_OPAC_and_staff_client
08:34 ashimema         that's how we generate the minified css from the scss
08:34 ashimema         as for the _version
08:34 ashimema         that's handled with apache re-writes.. they all point to opac.css
08:35 ashimema         but we add a _version into the templates to allow forever caching in the browser to work..
08:35 ashimema         basically.. we set the headers on those files to cache forever and hard flush the cache as required by incrementing the version in the filename
08:35 ashimema         fairly standard practice for cache management of these sorts of files these days
08:35 ashimema         hope that helps TimothyAlexis
08:36 ashimema         so..
08:36 ashimema         if you're wanting to update css.. you need to change it in the .scss file then build the .css from it..
08:36 ashimema         but you only submit the .scss changes.. I build the .css upon push
08:44 TimothyAlexis    Hey, it seems that it does actually look good when I actually do set the layout to span8+span4 like I mentioned (I still had it at span9+span3).
08:45 TimothyAlexis    Is it possible to delete or edit attachments in Bugzilla?
08:45 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1329: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1329/
08:46 Joubu            ashimema: this failing test will be fixed by bug 24368
08:46 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24368 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Koha::Libraries->pickup_locations needs refactoring/ratifying
08:46 Joubu            TimothyAlexis: obsolete it
08:46 Joubu            edit, edit detail, tick "obsolete", save
08:47 Joubu            "edit" => "details" link right after the patch
08:47 TimothyAlexis    Joubu: This specific attachment is a screenshot (png-file)
08:48 TimothyAlexis    https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=104828&action=edit
08:48 TimothyAlexis    Oh I found it now
09:02 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U18 build #781: STILL UNSTABLE in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/781/
09:18 ashimema         thanks Joubu.. I was just reading the bug mails for clues to the pickup_locations failures
09:18 TimothyAlexis    ashimema: Do we add padding: 0 to opac.scss instead of removing padding-left:40px;padding-right:40px from opac.css ?
09:19 ashimema         I'll QA that one myself now
09:19 ashimema         erm..
09:19 ashimema         yes.. you certainly need to edit opac.scss rather than opac.css..
09:20 ashimema         but I'm not sure what the edit would be.. oleonard is closer to that area than I am.. I tend to feel my way a bit in that area
09:25 TimothyAlexis    Thank you ashimema, then https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25477 is ready for testing.
09:25 huginn           Bug 25477: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , The responsive design in opac-main.tt should be correct
09:26 ashimema         @later tell oleonard TimothyAlexis might appreciate your testing of bug 25477.. it looks right up your street ;)
09:26 huginn           ashimema: The operation succeeded.
09:26 * ashimema       will save himself for the QA step ;)
09:27 TimothyAlexis    Thank you for the help ashimema, Joubu and oleonard.
09:28 ashimema         pleasure.. good to have you aboard :)
09:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24368: Comprehensive tests for Koha::Template::Plugin::Branches::pickup_locations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2786e56b91d825d06b6e3e6eb5930a72b94ee92>
09:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24368: Remove Koha::Libraries->pickup_locations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b42afc9a377cf13109a24b57eb777f3d3d08cdf>
09:38 ashimema         4 more commits and I'll be past jcamins in the git leaderboard :)
09:39 ashimema         nearly 100 more to catch kidclamp though
09:41 Joubu            those numbers are wrong anyway ;)
09:42 Joubu            they count merge commit (Jared did a lot) and they are not using the official git repo (no idea which ones actually). I never managed to get the same numbers than those.
09:42 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 25389: DBRev 19.12.00.089 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4429b42036061d6cf5662f12e390c521eef65771>
09:42 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 25389: Catch errant cases of LOST_RETURNED <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5f34fe3ada46e29c9b1ac99b10186fab6d9670f>
09:42 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 25389: Catch LOST_RETURNED in DB update 19.12.00.021 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd6ccad5d9b78719241d06a96a7ac0b77cabcef1>
09:42 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 25389: Correct stray cases of LOST_RETURNED <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=483e40d2236bbb584022846bd1c85d62f149f096>
09:42 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 25389: Correct original DB update for bug 22563 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed564837a64a45bfd1551ab54417daf0a3b9c559>
09:58 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #313: STILL UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/313/
10:02 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D10 build #230: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 17 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/230/
10:09 ashimema         interesting Joubu
10:10 ashimema         I indeed have always found those numbers a bit of a mystery
10:13 cait1            hm the movement on mine seems correct
10:13 cait1            not sure the total
10:13 cait1            i also use it as a bit of motivation
10:13 cait1            because i want to do more code writing... actually... but well :)
10:37 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D8 build #865: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/865/
10:38 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #288: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/288/
11:14 tcohen           morning
11:15 magnuse          kia ora tcohen
11:16 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U18 build #782: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/782/
11:27 magnuse          how does permissions in pootle work now? i can't seem to find a place to give people access to edit norwegian. maybe i lost my permissions?
11:29 Joubu            magnuse: looks like I am admin
11:30 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1330: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1330/
11:31 Joubu            magnuse: there is no permission apparently, only "admin". But:
11:31 Joubu            " The user “nobody” refers to any user that is not logged in (an anonymous, unidentified user). The user “default” refers to the rights that all logged in users will have by default, unless other specific rights were assigned to them. "
11:31 Joubu            so if one creates an account, they will be allowed (default) to:
11:31 Joubu            * can make a suggestion for a translation
11:32 Joubu            * can access a project
11:32 Joubu            (the same first 2 then a user that is not logged in)
11:32 Joubu            * can submit a translation
11:32 Joubu            so in my understanding they don't need anything
11:32 Joubu            alse
11:32 Joubu            else
11:53 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #314: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/314/
12:05 magnuse          Joubu: ah, cool, i'll check if it works. thanks!
12:05 magnuse          Joubu++
12:18 Joubu            khall_: Hi Kyle, could you answer on bug 24279#c15?
12:18 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24279 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Claims Returned does not work when set from moredetail.pl or additem.pl
12:48 davidnind        Should the 20.11 Release Team election be on the General IRC meeting agenda?
12:48 ashimema         yes
12:48 davidnind        I'll add!
12:49 ashimema         thanks
12:49 cait1            oh when is the meeting? forgot to add it to the calendar
12:50 ashimema         20 UTC
12:50 davidnind        In about 7 hours!
12:52 davidnind        cait1: 13 May 2020, 20:00 UTC - https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+General+IRC+Meeting&iso=20200513T2000
12:53 davidnind        (Forgot to send a tweet for meetings on this week - doing now)
13:01 ashimema         thanks davidnind
13:02 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D10 build #231: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/231/
13:24 magnuse          davidnind++
13:27 davidnind        :)
14:02 Joubu            ashimema: follow-up on 23794
14:11 Joubu            ashimema: and on bug 24161, no idea what I did in the precedent patch, it was wrong (sorry!)
14:11 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Late orders improvements - keeping track of claims
14:13 ashimema         Thanks
15:07 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 24161: (follow-up) Fix failing test (when running slow) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=233974a2514ed7891d889624a86312e29e8f43e5>
15:07 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23794: (follow-up) Remove extra carriage return <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b2859011326b8c5ee9d2a67890b8e753b1fbc37>
15:12 Joubu            tuxayo: about 24469 - the important bit is to use the "Add" link, not the "Save" button
15:15 tuxayo           Joubu: this one? https://picat.drycat.fr/OnNzmazy.png
15:37 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
15:37 wahanui          Congratulations!
15:37 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D8 build #866: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/866/
15:54 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23794: (RM follow-up) Remove warnings from updatedatabase <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e720e7e820408e7e2b7b03f65cbdd1435a2d031>
16:00 reiveune         bye
16:02 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
16:02 wahanui          Congratulations!
16:02 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #315: FIXED in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/315/
16:14 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
16:14 wahanui          Congratulations!
16:14 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #289: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/289/
16:56 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
16:56 wahanui          Congratulations!
16:56 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1331: FIXED in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1331/
17:31 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D10 build #232: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 17 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/232/
17:50 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
17:50 wahanui          Congratulations!
17:50 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U18 build #783: FIXED in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/783/
18:00 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D8 build #867: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/867/
18:37 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #290: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/290/
18:46 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #316: SUCCESS in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/316/
18:49 ashimema         evenin'
18:52 tuxayo           o/
19:04 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #144: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/144/
19:37 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #143: SUCCESS in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/143/
19:51 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #144: UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/144/
19:59 ashimema         anyone around for the meeting
19:59 ashimema         meeting?
19:59 wahanui          i heard meeting was over :)
19:59 lisettelatah     I am
20:00 ashimema         #startmeeting General IRC meeting 13 May 2020
20:00 huginn           Meeting started Wed May 13 20:00:15 2020 UTC.  The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:00 huginn           Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:00 huginn           The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_13_may_2020'
20:00 ashimema         #topic Introductions
20:00 ashimema         please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
20:00 ashimema         #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe
20:00 rangi            #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, NZ
20:00 ashimema         rmaints?
20:00 wahanui          hmmm... rmaints is talljoy, lukeG, hayley
20:00 thd              #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
20:00 lisettelatah     #info Lisette Scheer, Latah County Library District/Valnet/Koha-US
20:01 ashimema         qa team?
20:01 wahanui          qa team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way
20:01 Joubu            #info Jonathan Druart
20:01 Joubu            qa_team?
20:01 wahanui          qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall
20:01 georgew          #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
20:01 jzairo           #info Jessica Zairo, ByWater Solutions
20:01 talljoy          #info Joy Nelson Bywater
20:01 bgkriegel        #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel
20:01 davidnind        #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
20:01 tcohen           #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
20:02 mtj              #info Mason James, NZ
20:02 kidclamp         #info Nick Clemens, bywater
20:02 henryb           #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
20:02 tuxayo           #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
20:02 ashimema         wow.. full house tonight
20:03 ashimema         #topic Announcements
20:03 * kidclamp       outside with kid, so may get distracted
20:03 cait             #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
20:03 Joubu            #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_13_May_2020
20:03 bag              #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
20:04 ashimema         #chair Joubu
20:04 huginn           Current chairs: Joubu ashimema
20:04 ashimema         #chair cait
20:04 huginn           Current chairs: Joubu ashimema cait
20:04 davidnind        #info Kohacon2020 will be a hybrid online and in-person event - see https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2020-May/054572.html
20:04 ashimema         thanks for the agenda link Joubu.. I always forget that
20:05 tcohen           Air New Zealand just announced they won't fly from Argentina for a while, there go my hopes
20:05 davidnind        :-(
20:06 ashimema         #info The next scheduled releases of Koha are likely to be the last to officially support Debian 8 (Jessie). This is inline with the End Of Life upstream
20:06 davidnind        They seem to have cut most of their international flights, how are your yachting skills?
20:06 ashimema         #link https://wiki.debian.org/LTS Debian LTS Details
20:06 * Joubu          wonders if we will make video chat from pubs after the conferences
20:07 rangi            thats the plan Joubu :)
20:07 Joubu            hehe great :)
20:07 ashimema         I love that idea Joubu.. though pub time there will be breakfast time here :(
20:07 tcohen           hehehe
20:07 tuxayo-read-only Nice idea
20:07 ashimema         not sure I'll get away with that.. can imagine the breakfast ptfs-e meeting with a beer in hand
20:07 tuxayo           To have also the less formal part
20:07 georgew          It's 5:00 somewhere
20:07 Joubu            breakfast stout then
20:07 ashimema         haha
20:08 ashimema         any other anouncements to make?
20:08 Joubu            About D8 deprecation, we must focus on D10 support then ;)
20:09 Joubu            and maybe have it the default for devs
20:09 tcohen           +1
20:09 * tuxayo         notes to always run dev env with Debian 10
20:09 ashimema         Agreed.. it's been one of my focus area's this release and it's certainly improved allot
20:10 Joubu            #info Devs are encouraged to use D10 for their dev environment
20:10 ashimema         Devs should certainly start focusing on using D10 for dev I think
20:10 ashimema         :)
20:10 * tcohen         is trying to figure why plack doesn't start in D10 ;-)
20:10 davidnind        #info koha-US special interest groups - see http://koha-us.org/special-interest-groups/ for upcoming meetings
20:10 * ashimema       will be going D10 end of the month.. seemed a little risky to do it just prior to release
20:11 tuxayo           ashimema: as long a docker works ^^
20:11 tuxayo           *as
20:11 davidnind        the special interest groups seem to be going well - it is great they are recorded as well
20:11 davidnind        thanks koha-US!
20:12 * ashimema       dev's on two machines... D9 and Arch.. arch is way ahead of D10 and works seemlessly with docker so I'm hoping D10 will be fine to
20:12 ashimema         the SIG's are good.. though I'd love to see some more international representation ;)
20:12 * tuxayo         learns about those special interest groups. Interesting
20:13 Joubu            Should we add the koha-us meetings to the Koha agenda?
20:13 georgew          koha-US would be happy to see more international representation too
20:13 ashimema         moving on...
20:13 ashimema         #topic Update on releases
20:13 tuxayo           > koha-us meetings to the Koha agenda
20:13 tuxayo           Why not
20:13 Joubu            georgew: ping me if you want write access to the Koha agenda
20:14 ashimema         #info We are well and truly into string freeze now.. it was a little late as I had some catching up to do after a weekend of Jenkins challenges.
20:14 tuxayo           It makes sense to also use the agenda for international events about using Koha.
20:14 tuxayo           And not only for making it.
20:14 cait             the fuller the calendar the better :)
20:14 ashimema         #info I will send an email with updated proposed release dates soon
20:15 ashimema         ++ on adding SIGs to the calendar
20:15 tuxayo           ashimema++
20:15 tuxayo           tcohen++
20:15 tuxayo           Thanks for dealing with CI hardships
20:15 tcohen           ah
20:16 ashimema         #info Please help with the find and fix effort to polish the release.. and any help on the release notes would be appreciated too
20:16 rangi            its day one of level 2 and they have decided to dig up the road outside my house, so if i go offline they dug up the fibre by mistake
20:16 ashimema         #info Technical release notes are also work in progress.. if you have anything to bring up for them please contribute your idea's
20:16 tuxayo           # info https://hebdo.framapad.org/p/9ga9-koha-tech-release-notes
20:17 tuxayo           whoops
20:17 tuxayo           #info https://hebdo.framapad.org/p/9ga9-koha-tech-release-notes
20:17 cait             #link  https://hebdo.framapad.org/p/9ga9-koha-tech-release-notes Technical release notes
20:17 ashimema         #link https://hebdo.framapad.org/p/9ga9-koha-tech-release-notes Technical Notes
20:17 cait             heh :)
20:17 tuxayo           Thanks
20:17 ashimema         haha.. thanks tcohen.. you found it a little quicker than me
20:18 ashimema         any updates from the rmaints?
20:18 tuxayo           > find and fix effort to polish the release
20:18 tuxayo           Anything in particular?
20:18 rangi            ashimema: i saw joy sent out string freeze email, so they look to be on track
20:18 ashimema         perfect
20:19 talljoy          on schedule!
20:19 ashimema         #info Maintenance releases are on track for end of the month.
20:19 Joubu            tuxayo: test, bug fix, test bug fix
20:19 ashimema         that was also my understanding.. :)
20:19 ashimema         sooo...
20:20 tuxayo           got it ^^
20:20 ashimema         shall we move on to the piece everyone is waiting for?
20:20 ashimema         #topic Election of 20.11 Release Team
20:20 Joubu            #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.11
20:20 ashimema         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_20.11 Roles for 20.11
20:21 ashimema         any last minute additions, now is the time to add you names :)
20:21 Joubu            This release team is huge!
20:21 Joubu            with few new names, that's great
20:22 ashimema         it's grown today.. nice
20:22 tuxayo           Come an board the 20.11 ship! o/ last call !
20:22 cait             :)
20:23 ashimema         Great to see some old names back on the QA team list
20:23 ashimema         biblibre++
20:23 cait             :)
20:23 oleonard         #info Owen Leonard, Athens county Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
20:23 tcohen           biblibre++
20:23 tcohen           matts++
20:23 tcohen           jajm++
20:23 ashimema         Henry.. great to see you as a bugwrangler :)
20:23 tuxayo           :D
20:23 tcohen           alex_a++
20:23 cait             alexa++
20:24 tcohen           siri++
20:24 Joubu            yes, biblibre++, I am very happy to have them all on board!
20:24 cait             alex_a++ matts++ jajm++ :)
20:24 Joubu            paul_p++ ;)
20:24 cait             very happy to have them back
20:24 cait             but also happy for everone else, might be able to get the queue down again :)
20:24 tcohen           paul_p++
20:24 tcohen           paul_p++
20:24 ashimema         right..
20:25 tuxayo           biblibre++
20:25 davidnind        Nice to see so many put their names down for the documentation team
20:25 tuxayo           ^^
20:25 tuxayo           This is great
20:25 ashimema         any points to raise/question before I call the vote?
20:25 ashimema         all looks good to me
20:25 cait             no questions
20:27 ashimema         #vote Do we elect the team as proposed on the above linked roles page? Yes, No, Abstain
20:27 ashimema         * #startvote Do we elect the team as proposed on the above linked roles page? Yes, No, Abstain
20:27 ashimema         #startvote Do we elect the team as proposed on the above linked roles page? Yes, No, Abstain
20:27 huginn           Begin voting on: Do we elect the team as proposed on the above linked roles page? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
20:27 huginn           Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
20:27 ashimema         #vote Yes
20:27 thd              #vote Yes
20:28 oleonard         #vote Yes
20:28 talljoy          #vote Yes
20:28 cait             #vote yes
20:28 lisettelatah     #vote Yes
20:28 bgkriegel        #vote Yes
20:28 davidnind        #vote Yes
20:28 jzairo           #vote Yes
20:28 georgew          #vote yes
20:28 holly            #vote yes
20:28 tcohen           #vote Yes
20:28 tuxayo           #vote Yes
20:28 henryb           #vote Yes
20:28 kidclamp         #vote yes
20:28 Joubu            #vote Yes
20:28 Joubu            (what if I vote No?)
20:28 tcohen           :-P
20:28 rangi            #vote yes
20:29 mtj              #vote yes
20:29 tuxayo           Joubu: The team including you would still be elected right? :P
20:30 ashimema         amazing attendance tonight.. great to see guys.. lets make this an awesome cycle for Joubu
20:30 ashimema         #endvote
20:30 huginn           Voted on "Do we elect the team as proposed on the above linked roles page?" Results are
20:30 huginn           Yes (18): Joubu, jzairo, davidnind, cait, lisettelatah, georgew, oleonard, ashimema, tuxayo, mtj, kidclamp, henryb, bgkriegel, talljoy, holly, thd, rangi, tcohen
20:30 ashimema         team++
20:30 cait             team++ community++
20:30 tuxayo           team++
20:30 tcohen           team++
20:30 tcohen           ashimema++
20:30 tcohen           Joubu++
20:31 ashimema         Thanks everyone.. it's been a pleasure serving the last 12 months.. I look forward to supporting Joubu :)
20:31 tuxayo           Joubu++
20:31 Joubu            community++
20:31 tuxayo           For taking the RM load
20:31 oleonard         ashimema++
20:31 tuxayo           ashimema++
20:31 tuxayo           For having done it
20:31 davidnind        ashimema++
20:31 lisettelatah     ashimema++
20:31 lisettelatah     Joubu++
20:31 cait             ashimema++ excellent work
20:32 tcohen           thd we need to organize the developer's handbook this cycle
20:32 cait             let#s work together to make sure Joubu is happy :)
20:32 * Joubu          put his dictator hat on his head
20:32 Joubu            not yet!
20:32 ashimema         shucks :)
20:32 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #145: UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/145/
20:32 * ashimema       actually highlighted the developer handbook in his submission to be part of the docs team next cycle tcohen :)
20:33 tcohen           benevolent dictator, Joubu
20:33 ashimema         so.. last item for the evening
20:33 tuxayo           koha-jenkins not now, we are celebrating!
20:33 Joubu            tcohen: they say
20:33 ashimema         #topic Set time and date for next meeting
20:33 bag              Joubu++
20:34 Joubu            ashimema: I've opened few bug reports for that already!
20:34 ashimema         :)
20:34 Joubu            ptfs-e++ biblibre++ bywater++ # for supporting me! :)
20:34 tcohen           bywater++ ptfs-e++ biblibre++
20:35 tuxayo           ptfs-e++
20:35 tuxayo           biblibre++
20:35 tuxayo           bywater++
20:35 cait             ptfs-e++ biblibre++ bywater++
20:35 cait             Joubu++
20:35 Joubu            koha channel reached the daily quota for its karma system
20:35 cait             :)
20:35 ashimema         June 17th sounds reasonable..
20:35 tuxayo           (should it be in 3 lines and 3 apart messages to for the ++ to be counted?)
20:36 tcohen           karma overflow
20:36 wahanui          overflow has neutral karma
20:36 tuxayo           overflow++
20:36 ashimema         karma party
20:36 wahanui          party has karma of 1
20:36 Joubu            not sure it's a good idea tuxayo
20:36 Joubu            yes ashimema
20:36 wahanui          well, ashimema is literally just writing up the release anouncement ;)
20:36 oleonard         @karma party
20:36 huginn           oleonard: Karma for "party" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4.
20:37 tuxayo           ^^"
20:37 oleonard         !karma party
20:37 AnnaBoten        party has neutral karma.
20:37 ashimema         time for next meeting
20:37 tuxayo           17th June sounds ok
20:37 ashimema         your call here really Joubu.. as the in coming host
20:38 ashimema         in theory it would switch to the early slot.. but as we're moving toward kohacon are there any request to stick late from NZ?
20:38 ashimema         rangi, davidnind ?
20:39 Joubu            14, 15?
20:39 rangi            fine for june
20:39 Joubu            15UTC
20:39 rangi            can we have july in a good time for nz
20:39 ashimema         works for me :)
20:39 rangi            thats when we will be making any more big announcements
20:39 Joubu            #info Next meeting: 17 June 2020, 15 UTC
20:39 ashimema         brill
20:39 rangi            (we should hopefully know what the rules around travel are by then)
20:40 Joubu            rangi: let us know the time
20:40 Joubu            like this one?
20:40 rangi            this time is fine
20:40 thd              Maybe I will stop having to hunt for a new non-closed place to do my laundry by July.
20:40 ashimema         right.. I think we can bring this meeting to a close then
20:41 ashimema         thanks everyone.. feel free to stick around and mingle :)
20:41 Joubu            ok, 20 UTC then for July 15th
20:41 Joubu            #endmeeting
20:41 huginn           Meeting ended Wed May 13 20:41:22 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:41 huginn           Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_13_may_2020.2020-05-13-20.00.html
20:41 huginn           Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_13_may_2020.2020-05-13-20.00.txt
20:41 huginn           Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2020/general_irc_meeting_13_may_2020.2020-05-13-20.00.log.html
20:41 tuxayo           !bang
20:41 AnnaBoten        \_x< tuxayo: 1 (296679.09 seconds)
20:41 ashimema         #endmeeting
20:41 ashimema         :)
20:41 ashimema         !start
20:41 AnnaBoten        There is already a hunt right now!
20:41 ashimema         thankyou everyone
20:42 lisettelatah     rangi: koha-us is happy to help with online portion/share what we learned from Kohathon, what worked and what didn't for the online portions.
20:42 thd              tcohen: Do you mean https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_Handbook or https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developer_Handbook ?  Do we need the singular forms police?  ;)
20:42 * tuxayo         needs to start learning how to Rmaint
20:42 * ashimema       enjoyed the campire :)
20:42 ashimema         and the live bugfixing
20:42 * ashimema       would be happy to join things like that
20:43 ashimema         I can back you up tuxayo ;)
20:43 rangi            lisettelatah: excellent thanks, we will definitely be talking to you
20:43 * cait           enjoyed the underused features
20:43 cait             and the other things :) but that wasn#t mentioned yet
20:43 rangi            we are going to allow ppl to prerecord their talks too, if they want
20:44 rangi            because listening at 4am is one thing, presenting at 4am is a whole other deal
20:44 tuxayo           > * cait enjoyed the underused features
20:44 tuxayo           What does this refer to?
20:44 lisettelatah     oh that sounds great!
20:44 * cait           plan is to take the week off and then just be a vampire
20:45 rangi            so a mix of live, and prerecorded, with live MC... kinda like a tv channel hehe
20:45 tuxayo           Oh, Kohathon
20:45 wahanui          Kohathon is so cool, I'll try follow now and catchup on the rest
20:45 lisettelatah     cait: that is what I did for Dublin.
20:45 cait             tuxayo: talks at the kohathon
20:45 cait             lisettelatah: did it work?
20:45 * tuxayo         needs to vampire also.
20:46 ashimema         kohathon worked really well from what I managed to attend
20:46 cait             tbh... whenever i take time off i turn into one... so
20:46 lisettelatah     Mostly, except I had to work on the circ desk Thursday until 7, so I took a nap in the middle of the day and drove over, but I was a zombie for sure.
20:46 * cait           would love if the chat feature was available again
20:46 thd              Pre-recording with live questions for those awake enough may be better than more frequent technical glitches such as stream stuttering.
20:47 cait             rangi: if you have us on chat, you could maybe have that on one wall of the conf?
20:47 rangi            yep
20:47 rangi            the plan is to have a camera pointed at the audience too
20:47 rangi            so anyone who is presenting live can see that
20:47 AnnaBoten        \_o< quack!
20:47 wahanui          *click*
20:47 cait             sounds great
20:48 tcohen           !bang
20:48 AnnaBoten        tcohen, you missed the duck!
20:48 lisettelatah     !bang
20:48 AnnaBoten        lisettelatah, you missed the duck!
20:48 hayley           !bang
20:48 AnnaBoten        \_x< hayley: 1 (8.04 seconds)
20:48 davidnind        the Koha YouTube channel is available for live streaming as an option, would like to see recordings go into the Internet Archive + be licensed as CC BY
20:48 tuxayo           > the plan is to have a camera pointed at the audience too
20:48 tuxayo           So they can't sleep ^^"
20:48 rangi            davidnind: sounds goods
20:48 hayley           we hope they won't be nodding off during the day!
20:48 cait             oh hayley - just rebased our branch - will there be another 18.11?
20:48 rangi            tuxayo: the live audience here in nz
20:48 cait             just for planning
20:48 hayley           hey @cait, nah wanted to avoid having four releases this month :)
20:49 cait             ok, np :)
20:49 cait             means i am almost done
20:49 hayley           nice!
20:49 tuxayo           +1 for trying to publish the recordings licensed as CC BY
20:50 davidnind        will need a very wide angle lens to take the conference group photo..
20:50 hayley           hehe
20:50 tcohen           happy to help any rmaint on my TZ
20:50 rangi            davidnind: hehe
20:51 rangi            davidnind: thats a good idea tho, we can ask everyone watching the stream to send a selfie and we can make a collage :)
20:51 thd              tcohen: Are you still here?
20:51 tcohen           I am, yes
20:51 AnnaBoten        \_o< quack!
20:51 wahanui          oops, slipped over
20:51 rangi            to add to those in person
20:51 tcohen           !bang
20:51 AnnaBoten        \_x< tcohen: 1 (3.48 seconds)
20:51 hayley           !bang
20:51 AnnaBoten        [('tuxayo', 1), ('tcohen', 1), ('hayley', 1)]
20:51 AnnaBoten        Best time: tcohen with 3.48 seconds
20:51 AnnaBoten        tuxayo took the lead for the week over tcohen with 1 points.
20:51 AnnaBoten        There was no duck! hayley: -1 (4.71 seconds)
20:51 tuxayo           collage++
20:51 ashimema         !bang
20:51 AnnaBoten        There was no duck! ashimema: -1 (11.32 seconds)
20:51 ashimema         collage++
20:51 tcohen           collage++
20:52 thd              tcohen: You asked about the Developers Handbook.  Did you mean https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developers_Handbook or https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developer_Handbook ?  Do we need the singular forms police?  ;)
20:52 lisettelatah     collage++
20:52 Joubu            bye #koha, see you tomorrow
20:52 tcohen           thd I leave that to you haha
20:52 tcohen           bye Joubu
20:52 rangi            cya Joubu
20:52 davidnind        lisettelatah++
20:53 Joubu            thd: please tell me if you need help with the wiki migration, I really would like this to be done
20:53 Joubu            looks like this is an ongoing work for years
20:53 Joubu            will be happy to help and get this done
20:53 thd              Joubu:  I have a script running.
20:55 thd              Joubu:  Ernest work with real bug squashing started mid last year and was only interrupted by winter holidays with mummy.
20:56 AnnaBoten        \_o< quack!
20:56 wahanui          *click*
20:56 thd              Joubu:  I had been caught helping a friend from 1 January who suddenly had kidney failure from an enlarged prostate.  I spent two months renovating his apartment for his safe return home following his successful surgery.
20:57 thd              Joubu: I have time soon now again.
20:57 lisettelatah     !bang
20:57 AnnaBoten        \_x< lisettelatah: 1 (40.46 seconds)
20:57 tuxayo           o/ aleisha
21:00 ashimema         calling it a night too..
21:00 ashimema         have a good one #koha
21:00 aleisha          oh heel
21:00 aleisha          hello*
21:01 thd              Joubu: In the US if you spend to long outside home for rehabilitation, social benefits upon which many elderly people depend are discontinued and require restarting the application process.  The application process for anything along with much else in life is broken under the general shutdown of the economy.
21:01 AnnaBoten        \_o< quack!
21:01 wahanui          oops, slipped over
21:01 thd              s/to long/too long/
21:01 lisettelatah     !bang
21:01 AnnaBoten        \_x< lisettelatah: 2 (19.79 seconds)
21:08 thd              Joubu: My general work pattern of doing everything in bursts where I may stay up very late has been broken by the extra work I have now for COVID-19 where I have to show up in person with no symptoms from staying up late which might be mistaken for something else.
21:09 AnnaBoten        \_o< quack!
21:09 wahanui          !bang
21:10 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D10 build #233: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/233/
21:19 tcohen           !bang
21:19 AnnaBoten        tcohen, you missed the duck!
21:20 tcohen           !bang
21:20 AnnaBoten        tcohen, you are reloading... (Reloading takes 5 seconds)
21:20 tcohen           !bang
21:20 AnnaBoten        \_x< tcohen: 1 (646.94 seconds)
21:20 AnnaBoten        [('lisettelatah', 2), ('tcohen', 1), ('hayley', -1), ('ashimema', -1)]
21:20 AnnaBoten        Best time: lisettelatah with 19.79 seconds
21:20 AnnaBoten        lisettelatah took the lead for the week over tuxayo with 2 points.
21:22 tuxayo           aleisha: congrats, you will Rmaint during next cycle :D
21:22 tuxayo           I'll be your downstream ^^
21:22 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #144: UNSTABLE in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/144/
21:22 AnnaBoten        \_o< quack!
21:22 wahanui          !bang
21:22 aleisha          thanks tuxayo, looking forward to the learning experience with hayley and alexbuckley :)
21:23 tuxayo           And I have to learn how to Rmaint.
21:23 tuxayo           We seem to have a nice doc about that though
21:23 tuxayo           https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance
21:32 hayley           yep, the doc's pretty good, if you get stuck though feel free to hit me up! tuxayo :)
21:38 tcohen           @later tell ashimema the problem with plack and D10 aint no fun
21:38 huginn           tcohen: The operation succeeded.
22:05 tuxayo           tcohen: It wasn't a joke that it wasn't starting?!
22:06 tcohen           ?
22:06 tuxayo           Oh dear
22:06 tuxayo           > problem with plack and D10 aint no fun
22:06 tcohen           ah
22:06 tcohen           almost got it
22:08 tuxayo           Since few weeks actually I was using ku-md10, no issues found so far.
22:09 tuxayo           Glad to hear that the issue won't keep stealing your fun for too long. ^^
22:10 tcohen           bug 25482
22:10 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25482 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , koha-plack not working under D10
22:12 tuxayo           wow, maybe that was my issue for another bug! I have to use koha-remove which I guess uses koha-stop.
22:12 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #145: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/145/
22:12 tuxayo           I'll try to think more about testing with another debian version if I get weird bugs like that.
22:13 tuxayo           (In the future if a test plan doesn't go as expected)
22:17 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #197: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/197/
22:44 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
22:44 wahanui          Congratulations!
22:44 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #146: FIXED in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/146/
22:57 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #203: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/203/
23:20 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #145: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/145/
23:30 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #205: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/205/
23:54 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
23:54 wahanui          Congratulations!
23:54 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #146: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/146/