Time Nick Message 23:53 corilynn anyboo around for a process question? 22:28 wizzyrea another 10G is $1 more a month. 22:28 wizzyrea a question you can answer later, is how many more translations we should expect - because the new disk I put in is already 64% full ^.^ 22:16 ashimema_ See ya 22:16 ashimema_ Right cloxking off now. Bed time 22:16 ashimema_ Hehe, 22:16 ashimema_ It's made me happy.. but hopefully made lots of other people more happy.. I can't read Spanish anyways myself.. lol 22:15 wizzyrea the problem helped me through a rather long and tedious meeting. >.> 22:15 wizzyrea hm not fun well I am glad to have been helpful :) 22:14 ashimema_ Fun 22:14 ashimema_ Butmm gitlab runners don't give us the full build log so we could uldnt actually read the relevant error 22:14 wizzyrea lol 22:14 ashimema_ The build had a final step of rsyncing to the server 22:14 wizzyrea WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS OUT OF SPACE WTAF 22:13 wizzyrea oh, ha it was just coincidence that I logged in today 22:13 ashimema_ 😀 22:13 ashimema_ I had no idea that was the issue.. well, I had a hunch this afternoon but you asked if before I managed to ask you . 22:13 wizzyrea wait wait your builds were failing bc of the server out of space? 22:12 ashimema_ Missy have been the rsync that was dieing 22:12 ashimema_ It meant that when I triggered a rebuild safety that it passed instead of failing.. 22:12 wizzyrea i mean all you gotta do is ask :P 22:12 wizzyrea you shoulda told me sooner. 22:12 wizzyrea well jeez kids 22:11 wizzyrea :D 22:11 wizzyrea oh made space. 22:11 ashimema_ Your adding disk space 22:11 wizzyrea what'd I do? 22:11 wizzyrea lol 22:11 wizzyrea wait what 22:11 ashimema_ So.. see more have both 19.11 and 19.05 building in all languages woop woop. 😀 22:10 ashimema_ It is.. but I couldn't help myself but look 22:10 caroline_catlady isn't it late for you ashimema_ ? 22:10 caroline_catlady wizzyrea++ ashimema++ 22:10 ashimema_ wizzyrea++ 22:09 ashimema_ Yay, wizzyrea fixed the last step that was failing for us in the manual translations 21:51 lisettelatah thanks ashimema_ 21:51 lisettelatah cait thanks for letting me know. I knew the string freeze was coming when I wrote it yesterday, I so I knew it wouldn't likely be done before that. 21:49 cait passing qa on your patch now - so it will be ready to go after release 21:48 ashimema_ More than happy to have lisettelatah on team.. 21:48 cait but it will go in for sure 21:48 cait lisettelatah: it might take a bit until it can go in - we just got into "String freeze" 21:43 lisettelatah thanks for another one, I'm looking at the code for that page now. 21:40 cait never mind, i found it :) 21:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24033 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fix column labelling on basket summary page (ecost) 21:39 cait bug 24033 might be another not too hard one 21:38 cait can you give me the number? 21:38 cait i was just looking for your tweet 21:38 cait :) 21:36 lisettelatah cait: Thanks for reporting that capitalization bug yesterday. It came right when I was looking for a first patch to write. 21:34 lisettelatah thanks! I'll do it right now! 21:34 cait for a second I thought this wouldn't work :) 21:34 rangi yep, just add it 21:34 cait lol 21:33 caroline_catlady (that was a royal we btw, I'm not speaking for rangi) 21:33 caroline_catlady we are sure 21:33 cait rangi: caroline_catlady: are we sure? :) 21:33 lisettelatah cait: if you're sure, I'd be happy to be a bug wrangler again. 21:32 cait lisettelatah: i think noone would complain if you added it now :) 21:32 caroline_catlady thanks so much! 21:32 caroline_catlady aaahh! Thanks lisettelatah! I hadn't noticed the checkbox 21:32 lisettelatah cait, I forgot to go add it until he'd called for the vote. I was thinking the meeting was next week for some reason and just happened to be in chat when it started. 21:31 cait lisettelatah: was missing your name on the release team list! ;) 21:31 cait kind fo around, reading back 21:31 lisettelatah caroline_catlady I think you have to click the "Override renewal restrictions:" checkbox below the table. 21:24 caroline_catlady and I have superibrarian permissions 21:23 caroline_catlady and before you ask, yes, AllowRenewalOnHoldOverride is on Allow 21:22 caroline_catlady https://snipboard.io/JuYvUh.jpg 21:21 caroline_catlady I don't have the checkbox to renew my item, is that normal? 21:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7088 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, RESOLVED FIXED, Cannot renew items on hold even with override 21:21 caroline_catlady I trying to document what bug 7088 does, and there are a lot of comments and the test plan is a bit confusing... 21:20 caroline_catlady or I think wizzyrea could answer my question 21:19 caroline_catlady cait still around? 21:05 ashimema_ Did my last build cause full disks.. if it did.. sorry about that. 21:05 ashimema_ Aha, I see.. 21:02 wizzyrea afk kiddo pickup time 21:02 wizzyrea added disk space so that the website would continue working :) 20:47 * ashimema_ just wonders as he's been trying to get the translations working a fair chunk of this afternoon 20:43 ashimema wizzyrea. What did you do to the manuals? 20:40 wizzyrea so I gave it some! 20:40 wizzyrea do please sing out if anything seems wrong there - we just needed a bit more space on the server! 20:33 wizzyrea should be back now 20:23 wizzyrea hazard warning, I'm going to be breaking the manuals on the website for a short time 19:59 * oleonard will exercise the furniture more tomorrow 19:55 oleonard Codemirror's documentation is making me want to flip that table again 19:53 oleonard Putting it back down... but nobody saw me flip the table so I can see the confusion 19:52 wizzyrea or getting ready to flip it 19:52 wizzyrea is that you putting the table back down 19:51 oleonard ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ) 19:48 oleonard rsync doesn't recognize new changes to the host files after the devbox starts 19:47 oleonard HAHAHA IT'S NOT à§à¼¼à² 益ಠ༽ਠ19:41 caroline_catlady still not fixed, got it 19:40 cait unfixed, totally 19:40 cait understood 19:40 oleonard I'd like to announce that my devbox is NOT fixed (it's fixed) because SAYING it's fixed (it is) might jinx the whole thing 19:37 kidclamp kk 19:31 cait kidclamp: you should email him, he asked me to email him if there is something like that last meeting 19:31 cait hm ouch 19:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23484 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to stable , Holds to pull (pendingreserves.pl) uses removed default_branch_item_rules table 19:31 cait bug 23484 19:19 kidclamp hi oleopard 19:19 oleonard Hi kidclamp 19:18 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded. 19:18 kidclamp @later tell fridolin I don't think 23484 belongs in 19.05 19:13 * cait waves 18:45 reiveune bye 18:08 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 18:08 tcohen @later tell fridolin please consider 22280 for 19.05.x 18:06 tcohen ashimema: it would be great if 19.11 had the OAuth2 dependencies issue solved :-D 17:13 caroline_catlady I don't feel like the documentation is very useful to the end user but whatevs 17:13 caroline_catlady trying to translate "More documentation on defining key maps" 17:12 caroline_catlady ok... I think I will just use the translation for keyboard shortcut... 17:12 cait maybe the shortcut is what you create by the key map? 17:12 cait caroline_catlady not sure... 17:08 caroline_catlady speaking of translating, what is the difference between a "key map" and a "keyboard shortcut"? 17:07 caroline_catlady I find it's a good mindless activity when I need to switch off 17:06 cait ... and boring! 17:00 caroline_catlady too much work? 17:00 caroline_catlady why are you sighing? 16:59 caroline_catlady ooh free cookies! 16:59 * cait sends cookies to caroline_catlady 16:59 * cait translates and sighs 16:44 cait :) 16:42 bag :D 16:42 caroline_catlady yosemite bag 16:42 caroline_catlady oleonard: exactly! lol! 16:41 oleonard https://media.giphy.com/media/wxsgRLrf0pgty/giphy.gif 16:41 caroline_catlady or ginger hair 16:41 talljoy or hat 16:40 bag I don’t have the correct mustache 16:40 bag hehe 16:40 * caroline_catlady will forever imagine bag as yosemite sam entering the salloon guns ablazin' 16:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #54: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/54/ 16:31 cait hi bag 16:30 AnnaBoten There is no hunt right now! You can start a hunt with the 'start' command 16:30 bag !bang 16:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #56: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/56/ 16:28 ashimema_ oh.. 19.05.. not me :) 16:27 ashimema_ who prompted a Jenkins build 16:27 ashimema_ interesting.. 16:27 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #55: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/55/ 16:25 caroline_catlady yes thank you! ashimema_++ Joubu++ 16:24 cait ashimema++ Joubu++ 16:23 cait and a big thanks to everyone owrking on this 16:23 cait keeping fingers crossed 16:21 ashimema_ then.. it'll be automating pulling in translations 16:21 ashimema_ I'm fixing that 16:21 ashimema_ If that works, next job is to get each of the branches building and pushing to the right branch.. i.e at the moment the development version of the manual gets pushed to the 19.05 links on the website 16:20 ashimema_ I'm fixing that at the minute 16:20 ashimema_ right now half the manuals on the website go to a 403 dead end page 16:20 ashimema_ a little of both 16:20 cait ashimema: working on the po file transfer already too or just building the manuals for now? 16:19 cait ashimema sounds good 16:19 talljoy i will cait! 16:18 cait let me know if I can help 16:18 cait and thx talljoy! 16:17 cait I sent an email to lds from Biblibre, ashimema - cc 16:17 cait oleonard: yeah i miss the emails too ... lots of my workflow depends ont he mails 16:17 ashimema_ building the manual is a very long job it seems 16:16 ashimema_ I'm just watching the job running now 16:16 ashimema_ cait I think between Joubu and I we may have got translations building properly for the manual.. 16:14 talljoy organized is a good thing! 16:13 ashimema_ I'm trying to be organised this time around :) 16:13 ashimema_ if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.. I'll be dropping an email around to the rmaints some time in the next week or so to 'onboard' everyone.. basically reminding people where documentation for the role is, offering any assistance, asking for public keys so I can get you all setup for pushing etc.. 16:12 ashimema_ certainly not, welcome aboard, the more he merrier. 16:12 oleonard Oh I didn't see that news, talljoy! Thank you very much 16:12 talljoy i look forward to it, if the community doesn't object to throwing my name in 16:12 ashimema_ not sure what it was. 16:12 ashimema_ tcohen had an issue earlier with sync_repo oleonard.. 16:11 talljoy my pleasure ashimema 16:11 talljoy sorry about your devbox 16:11 ashimema_ thanks for stepping up to fill the gap in our rmaints talljoy :) 16:11 * oleonard couldn't work on a bug even if he wanted to, which he does 16:11 ashimema_ ooh talljoy is here :) 16:11 ashimema_ today has been my catch up on other things day 16:11 ashimema_ well.. that and I've not looked at bugzilla today.. been working on other things that were put off before string freeze 16:10 * talljoy goes to find more bugs to assign to oleonard 16:10 ashimema_ yup 16:10 * oleonard is accustomed to a steady trickle at least 16:09 oleonard Oh is that why there's no bugzilla traffic? 16:08 cait mailing list server is still dead? 16:08 cait argh, laptop ran out of battery 16:06 * ashimema_ prays 15:33 cait :( 15:31 oleonard Somehow my work from yesterday is in the VM but changes from today don't show up there 15:30 oleonard Oh no kohadevbox working but sync_repo not :( 15:16 tcohen later 15:09 caroline_catlady hello again! 15:00 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:00 Joubu @later tell rangi (maybe not *right now*) We need gitlab-ci for stable branch actually, Martin and me are on it. So basically you clean your window with all what I told you today ;) 14:54 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:54 Joubu @later tell rangi, ok added to the .gitlab-ci for 19.05 and see what's happening next, I am stopping molesting you now. 14:50 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:50 Joubu @later tell rangi found that error: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Stemmer'" from gitlab, I guess that would explain something went wrong during the generation of the manual translations 14:34 huginn ashimema_: The operation succeeded. 14:34 ashimema_ @later tell rangi Any chance you could look at the apache config on www.koha-community.org.. a few of the translated manuals, like https://koha-community.org/manual/19.05/de/html/index.html are giving a 403 permissions error 14:32 * thd has to go to work today and needs more sleep 14:29 cait true 14:28 oleonard No such thing 14:28 cait there are too many caroline_catlady today 14:17 * oleonard brb 14:17 cait caroline_catlady++ 14:16 caroline_ ok I'm off to the office, bbl 14:15 caroline_ thank you all for your time, sorry it was longer that usual 14:14 caroline_ 95% translated 14:14 oleonard caroline_++ 14:14 ashimema_ thanks :) 14:14 ashimema_ caroline_++ 14:14 caroline_ I saw the translation rate has gone down for my language :) 14:14 caroline_ phew! 14:13 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/documentation_irc_meeting_14_november_2019.2019-11-14-13.05.log.html 14:13 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/documentation_irc_meeting_14_november_2019.2019-11-14-13.05.txt 14:13 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/documentation_irc_meeting_14_november_2019.2019-11-14-13.05.html 14:13 huginn Meeting ended Thu Nov 14 14:13:48 2019 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 14:13 caroline_ #endmeeting 14:13 caroline_ #info Next meeting: 12 December 2019, 19 UTC 14:13 thd I will definitely attend if the electricity is working and I can otherwise. 14:12 ashimema_ yup 14:12 caroline_ yeah parties and stuff :) 14:12 ashimema_ I'd just schedule it and hope people can attend ;) 14:11 ashimema_ December meetings are always challenging.. that time of year and all 14:11 thd I may miss a mid December meeting while travelling to California for a couple of weeks. 14:11 ashimema_ sounds good to me. 14:11 caroline_ could we do it later so david can join? 14:10 caroline_ do we want 12 december? 14:10 caroline_ 11 december is already taken up by general meeting I think 14:09 caroline_ #topic Set time of next meeting 14:09 caroline_ I will skip the next steps as that is pretty much what we just did and go to final topic 14:09 Joubu k 14:09 ashimema_ I'll catch you up in PM Joubu 14:09 caroline_ #action cait will discuss branching out on the wiki 14:08 ashimema_ stick it on the wiki 14:08 caroline_ #action ashimema_ will create a wiki page to discuss branching out the manual 14:08 Joubu Something else, I am certainly off topic, sorry: 14:08 cait start something please :) I am willing to add to whatever 14:07 thd :) 14:07 caroline_ thd framapad then? :) 14:07 Joubu https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/issues/13 14:07 Joubu about the translation, we are dealing with it on the issue. Bernardo, Chris and me. We will write down how it works, when we will remember :D 14:07 thd google docs is non-free software eating your soul. 14:06 cait ashimema: can oyu set up a page and send me the link maybe? 14:06 caroline_ it's just a working document 14:06 cait ok 14:06 caroline_ wiki or google docs, whatever is fine 14:06 ashimema_ +1 14:06 cait wiki? 14:06 caroline_ yes, much expertise stored in Joubu :) 14:05 ashimema_ Joubu is around now.. I think he's also got allot to input in that area.. we can get his input a bit too 14:05 caroline_ During this cycle, I will see how hard it is to manage several branches, and I will be better able to make a decision 14:05 cait where shoudl we put it? 14:05 cait but I will take a bit - i have some errands to run first 14:05 cait I can try to writ eup something and Martin can add to it 14:05 cait hm 14:04 cait so .. next step? 14:04 caroline_ cait, can you write the pros to branching and ashimema_ can you write the cons? 14:04 ashimema_ indeed 14:04 caroline_ I don't feel like we've agreed on anything 14:03 cait ok, do we have something to #info or #agreed? 14:03 caroline_ I was going to suggest to write it up and discuss next meeting? 14:03 ashimema_ +1 14:03 cait caroline_diplomatic! :) 14:03 cait whatever we do, let's write up the process :) 14:03 caroline_ I don't want to interrupt this conversation, but I'm aware that we are over our hour 14:01 ashimema_ I've actually added some bugzilla searches to try and encourage the big commiters to keep up with documenting their new features. 14:01 ashimema_ haha.. funny you should say that thd.. that's been on my list for a while. 14:01 cait i think ideally a change to a stable branch should trigger a po file update 14:01 ashimema_ I do think that a monthly string freeze anouncement for the manual would be good... I imagine the first 2 maybe 3 months of a new stable the manual for that version gets updated a lot (doing catch up).. having translators know they need to go and translate the updates once a month is likely going to yield better results that expecting they'll be watching the repo and translating as you go. 14:01 caroline_ we do do a lot of de-capitalization and review (anyway, I do) 14:00 cait so you can start translating and most of it will stay the same 14:00 cait usually, when the strings don't change, you don't have to retranslate, only changes 14:00 thd If only all code patches required complete documentation for the manual. 13:59 ashimema_ we could branch 19.11 manual now so that translation can start now..even if the manual isn't complete yet? 13:59 ashimema_ that makes allot of sense actually.. 13:59 ashimema_ that is certainly true cait.. 13:59 ashimema_ if you're still expecting the workflow to be 'merge to master -> backport to branches' then you'd just be making that 'backport to branches' step a requirement a few weeks earlier in the process 13:58 cait for bernardo to set up the manual po projects etc 13:58 cait it would win some time maybe 13:58 ashimema_ branching at feature freeze would be fine by me.. though I'm not sure if it would win you much... 13:57 caroline_ Can we branch out on the day of feature freeze? 13:57 ashimema_ For a cycle a few cycles back we did have a development version of the manual running.. that was cool as, as a developer you could look at the manual for new features to see if they existed or not (and links worked I believe) 13:57 thd On many large projects documentation is somewhat behind the code which is almost inevitable. A docs freeze if it could work would not realistically work at the same time as a code freeze. 13:57 cait so a lot of pros to branching out i think 13:57 cait - we will have a 19.11 manual on the website... 13:56 cait - we could publish a link to the 19.11 manual in the release notes 13:56 cait - help links from Koha go to the manual - so if there is no 19.11 manual... do they work? 13:56 ashimema_ agreed 13:56 cait i think there are some 'pros' to branching 13:55 caroline_ I can do it :) 13:55 cait cool 13:55 caroline_ not hard at all 13:55 cait howhard is it to cherry-pick with the gitlab giu? 13:55 ashimema_ trying to go through every bug and traige it to make sure it's labelled correctly in terms of component, severity, enhancement/new feature or bug etc and then add small summaries for enhancements and new features. 13:55 cait but in the future maybe - we could have a 'docs' freeze :) 13:54 cait i think we are not quite there yet 13:54 ashimema_ oh cool.. I'm still working on tidying up the release notes btw ;) 13:54 caroline_ I think so, unless were behind like right now 13:54 ashimema_ once a release is done should the manual be pretty much static? 13:53 ashimema_ cait , any comments on there.. 13:53 caroline_ I read through the release notes diffs and add tasks in taiga for bugs that mean changes in the manual 13:53 ashimema_ but sometimes a fix clarifies some usage or changes wording 13:53 ashimema_ well.. usually ;) 13:53 caroline_ oh I hadn't thought of that part... but the bugs that usually get backported don't need documentation since theyre fixing things that should already work 13:52 ashimema_ what do you mean 'getting the release notes in taiga'? 13:52 ashimema_ is there's anything we can do with bugzilla or whatever to help track what 'bugs' get backported into the stable branches.. so you know better what manual changes also need corresponding backports? 13:51 caroline_ asap 13:51 caroline_ That's why I want to work on getting the release notes in taiga for everyone to work on 13:51 ashimema_ that would be great 13:51 caroline_ I'd like us to be more up to date... 13:51 ashimema_ so in effect you're rapidly playing catch up for the first few months of each cycle 13:51 caroline_ yes -_- 13:50 caroline_ ok so right now, we should have master and 19.11 and before 13:50 ashimema_ the issue I see here is that if I'm not mistaken you guys generally are a few months behind on documentation? 13:50 ashimema_ so master is the living document.. then things that aught to be backported (i.e are 'fixes' and not 'additions/enhancements/new features') get cherry-picked into the 'stable' docs branches 13:49 caroline_ ok makes sense 13:49 ashimema_ so 'master' == 20.05 before it's released.. then 20.11 once 20.05 is released.. then 21.05 etc etc. 13:48 ashimema_ that's how we work in koha code development 13:48 ashimema_ then the 'master' manual branch effectively follows 20.05 13:48 caroline_ but it means more work on managing branches for the dm 13:47 ashimema_ I think 19.11 should be branched off on the day of the release (same time as I branch the koha code branch off) 13:47 caroline_ for the manual branches, I suggested that we create one as soon as the cycle begins so we can work on it as the developpers add things 13:47 ashimema_ I'm currently reading the scripts on the translate server to get a better understanding of how it all fits together before proposing next steps ;) 13:45 ashimema_ once I've got that side of it sorted I wanted to look at automating pulling in translations from translate.koha-community.org 13:45 * cait has to keep an eye on her lunch cooking 13:45 cait one thig maybe to discuss is when to branch out the manuals 13:45 ashimema_ well, initially I just wanted to try and make sure the regular rebuilds of the manual were working for the various branches.. at the moment I think the only 'living document' is the master branch.. but it's been getting pushed regularly to the 19.05 manual 13:44 cait I didn't get any feedback on the paper Martin and I wrote - ashimema, have you touched base with bernardo since? 13:43 caroline_ I saw the discussions, but I don't know if we decided anything yet 13:43 caroline_ we're getting to the translation workflow for the manual 13:43 cait too late? 13:43 cait hi 13:43 caroline_ hi cait! 13:42 cait oops, missing hte meeting? 13:42 caroline_ what did we decide? 13:42 caroline_ ok, about the translation workflow! 13:42 * ashimema_ isn't so familiar with gitlab ui.. :) 13:42 ashimema_ great :) 13:41 caroline_ but I'm open to learning how to do it command line to :) 13:41 ashimema_ [off] I now have access to the translate server so can help move that automated process forward. 13:41 caroline_ gitlab makes it very easy (there's litterally a button that says cherry pick and you choose which branch) 13:41 ashimema_ I'm happy to give some lessons on cherry-picking and things if you like 13:40 caroline_ I work on the manual from a local repo, but the managing stuff I do on gitlab 13:40 ashimema_ brill 13:40 caroline_ unless something was removed 13:40 ashimema_ do you tend to do all your work in gitlab, or do you have a local copy of git which you use for managing ? 13:39 caroline_ technically, everything should go on master 13:39 caroline_ And I can also cherry pick on to another branch 13:39 caroline_ It does 13:39 caroline_ #info when submitting merge requests, please indicate which koha version it applies to 13:39 ashimema_ I 'think' gitlab will let you do that at the merge request end.. i.e. ask to merge into branch x instead of merge into master 13:38 caroline_ #action caroline_catlady will work on a system for managing several manual branches at the same time 13:38 caroline_ I wanted to ask, from now on, since we'll be working in several versions at the same time, make sure to write which version(s) your change applies to so I can merge it on the right manual 13:38 ashimema_ I'm still a little out of touch on the docs flow front. 13:37 ashimema_ have you guys got a process worked out for maintaining the different versions? 13:37 caroline_ we're a bit behind 13:37 caroline_ Now we'll embark on the changes for 19.11 and I hope we can do 20.05 at the same time 13:37 caroline_ keep up the good work team!! 13:36 caroline_ lucyvh, myself and cait have been submitting merge requests for the manual 13:36 caroline_ #topic What's been done so far 13:35 caroline_ which we're getting to 13:35 caroline_ anyway, I'm conscious of the time... Translation workflow was a subtopic in What's been done so far 13:34 caroline_ he did a workshop too, but he did a talk 13:34 ashimema_ I might be wrong 13:34 ashimema_ I think it was one of the workshops 13:34 ashimema_ Translation workflow is slowly starting to come together too 13:34 caroline_ Wasn't it during the conference part? 13:33 caroline_ aw... :( 13:33 ashimema_ so missed it. 13:33 ashimema_ I was leading an alternate talk I think during that one :( 13:32 caroline_ He talked a bit about it in his talk at KohaCon19 13:32 ashimema_ Interesting.. I'll have a read of that shortly 13:31 caroline_ It's a complete rethinking of the documentation for Koha 13:31 caroline_ #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_-_Plan 13:31 caroline_ It was not mentionned in the agenda, but davidnind also worked on a documentation strategy plan, which I'm in love with 13:30 Marie-Luce I can work on git guide for documentation. It will be a good way to learn 13:29 caroline_ And finally, three other of davidnind's babies, Installation guide, Getting started guide and Reorganising manual contents 13:29 caroline_ Not sure there's been any progress 13:28 caroline_ also Automated screenshots, Joubu and davidnind were both working on this independently I think 13:28 * ashimema_ will read that one and see if anything stands out.. not looked at it in a while 13:28 caroline_ #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_guide_for_documentation 13:27 caroline_ also Git guide for non-developers (Marie-Luce, maybe you could help with this as you are new to git) 13:27 caroline_ :) 13:27 caroline_ Wiki update and curator role is also an ongoing project 13:25 thd I hope that many tests for wiki migration and then updating will be automated with diffs etc. 13:25 caroline_ #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_-_Content_Development_Guide 13:25 caroline_ current ongoing projects are : content development guide 13:24 caroline_ #topic Project updates 13:23 caroline_ davidnind and I have both been dm before, so I'm not sure this applies for this cycle, but we will have to test it eventually 13:22 sev_q Hello #oha ! 13:21 caroline_ back to DM role, ashimema_ has also been documenting the DM transition workflow 13:20 thd I kept her going eight years when her diagnosis was six months. 13:20 Marie-Luce sorry to hear this 13:20 caroline_ :( 13:19 thd Sadly my neighbour passed on which gives me time for Koha again. 13:19 Marie-Luce I've some spare time, but I'm not too sure how can I help 13:19 caroline_ :( I hope your neighbours are better... 13:19 thd Testing should be very soon. 13:18 caroline_ I'm not very technical, but if there is anything I can do to help, I'm happy to (I can test) 13:18 * thd has long been secret curator except for a long bout of spending all his time helping elderly neighbours and friends with serious problems. 13:17 caroline_ thd++ 13:17 caroline_ and will continue his hard work of updating the wiki 13:17 caroline_ thd has taken the role of wiki curator 13:17 thd changing identity should give a problem 13:17 ashimema_ [off] I'll say.. I killed it but it's still sending messages :( 13:17 caroline_ branching off for a second 13:16 caroline_ lol ashimema I think you have a problem with your IRC client again XD 13:16 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 13:16 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 13:15 caroline_ and I will do the nitty gritty, like populate Taiga and merging requests 13:15 ashimema_ I'm excited by the two of you working it between you.. we benefit from both your strengths :) 13:15 caroline_ davidnind++ 13:14 caroline_ davidnind will continue the stellar job he has been doing for orienting the docs strategy 13:14 ashimema_ If people do join caroline_, let me know and I can add them into the release notes that get generated 13:14 caroline_ davidnind and I will be sharing the docs manager role 13:14 ashimema_ #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 13:13 caroline_ Send me an email or a @later if you're not sure how to contribute 13:13 caroline_ However, anybody who wants to join the team mid-cycle is welcome!! 13:13 caroline_ Yesterday at the general meeting, we voted on the new team 13:12 caroline_ if you have anything to add, please do :) 13:12 caroline_ ashimema and I started documenting the role 13:12 ashimema_ 13:11 caroline_ #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_management 13:11 caroline_ First is review of Manager role 13:10 caroline_ #topic Review of action points 13:08 caroline_ ashimema, cait ? 13:08 Marie-Luce #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inLibro, Montréal, Québec 13:06 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 13:05 caroline_ #Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Montréal, Québec 13:05 caroline_ #topic Introductions (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes) 13:05 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_14_november_2019' 13:05 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:05 huginn Meeting started Thu Nov 14 13:05:03 2019 UTC. The chair is caroline_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:05 caroline_ #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019 13:04 caroline_ it's been a while since I've chaired... hopefully it goes well... 13:03 Marie-Luce Hi everyone 13:03 caroline_ since davidnind doesn't seem to be around, should we start the meeting anyway? 13:03 * thd needs a reboot. 13:03 caroline_ ;) 13:03 * caroline_ apologizes for any weird messages sent by her cats stepping on the keyboard 13:02 cait maybe the server just needs a reboot 13:02 fridolin it happens ;) mailling is more and more difficult these days 13:02 cait fridolin: no mails comin in from the mailing lists today 13:02 fridolin oki super 13:02 reiveune yes i do 13:01 cait fridolin: i think reiveune emailed him 13:00 * caroline_ is fending off cats from eating her breakfast 12:59 ashimema I'd forgotten about that :) 12:59 ashimema ooh.. docs meeting soon.. 12:58 caroline_ hiyee! 12:58 fridolin cait: indeed its Laurent, please mail me I'll forward 12:58 tcohen hehe, hope I can see you procrastinate a bit 12:56 oleonard Hi tcohen 12:56 tcohen hola 12:49 * oleonard should never have fixed his devbox 12:48 oleonard :D Lots of other work to do, so if you do see them you know I'm procrastinating, magnuse 12:48 * magnuse prepares for a deluge of patches from oleonard 12:40 * oleonard is happy to have a working devbox again after two weeks without 12:37 wahanui hi oleopard 12:37 cait hi oleonard 12:37 oleonard Hi #koha 12:34 Joubu yes but not similar, 24027 is about perf issues 12:33 kidclamp the problem though is that we do want to see the items so we can choose which to edit 12:32 kidclamp relatedish 12:32 huginn Bug 13680: minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Items list on edit items page separates add items form from header and sidebar 12:32 kidclamp https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13680 12:31 Joubu we have for the batch item mod/del 12:31 kidclamp OpacMaxItemsToDisplay 12:31 kidclamp opac only, sorry 12:31 Joubu kidclamp: do we? Do you remember the name of the pref? 12:28 kidclamp Maybe similar? 12:28 kidclamp There is a pref on the details page to show or not if there are many 12:22 Joubu kidclamp maybe? ^ 12:19 Joubu page is too heavy when thousands of items are displayed on the add items form 12:18 cait Joubu: sorry, not sure i understand the issue yet and lacking time to test right now 12:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24027 normal, P5 - low, ---, nugged, ASSIGNED , Adding multiple items is slow 12:17 Joubu cait: what about bug 24027, last 2 comments? 12:13 Joubu I don't 12:12 cait thank you 12:12 reiveune ok 12:12 cait it seems mails are not coming through from the biblibre mail server - can you ping the person responsible? 12:11 cait we noticed that thre is a problem with the mail server: https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs 12:11 reiveune hi :) 12:11 ashimema Joubu might still have access? 12:11 cait hey :) 12:11 * cait makes a lot of IRC clients light up 12:11 reiveune ? 12:11 cait reiveune: ? :) 12:10 cait paul_p: ? 12:10 cait matts: around? 12:10 cait fridolin: ? 12:07 cait hm 12:05 ashimema pass 12:04 cait does someoen know who cares for the mail server at biblibre? laurent? 12:02 cait had a bit of a slow start, i think i am getting a cold :( 12:02 cait no i didn't 12:02 ashimema did you see talljoy has stepped up for 19.11 rmaint :) 11:59 cait or lilipute1h_asu maybe? 11:59 cait jajm: around? 11:59 cait not biblibre's 11:59 cait the email you sent came through on koha - but that's the katipo server 11:59 cait it looks like a mailserver problem 11:59 cait yes 11:59 ashimema wierd 11:58 cait https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo 11:57 * cait waves 11:57 * ashimema hasn't check his email today 11:56 cait hm is bug email working? 11:39 ashimema I added 'architecture' into the name to try and make it clear it's not that we're supporting the plugins themselves.. but that this only concerns stuff in core pertaining to allowing plugins to be built 11:37 ashimema I'm just going to label up all plugin hooks and enhancements with that component now.. should make tracking a little easier as it's a fast moving area of koha.. much like REST api is now. 11:37 Joubu ha :) 11:37 * ashimema is going through release notes and spots lots of plugin related enhancements and things lost amonght the 'architecture' category 11:36 ashimema I literally just added it ;) 11:36 Joubu "Bugs associated with adding, updating, removing and fixing code related to plugin infrastructure with core Koha." 11:36 Joubu ashimema: there is "plugin architecture", not sure what is is 11:30 * ashimema wonders if we should have a 'Plugin' section in bugzilla.. to track bugs in hooks, new and enhanced hooks 11:16 paxed the Koha_Plugin_Hooks wiki page doesn't seem to be up to date 11:05 huginn ashimema: lari was last seen in #koha 5 days, 14 hours, 16 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <lari> Bug 23998 11:05 ashimema @seen lari 10:43 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 10:43 Joubu @later tell rangi bugzilla 5.0.6 patch for the graph colors attached on bug 23672. They had the wonderful idea to perltidy all their files and switch from 4 spaces to 2 spaces indentation... (gonna add that idea to our next dev meeting agenda ;)) 10:28 ashimema Sounds like the request status doesn't align with those defined in the backend, perhaps. Very hard to say without seeing it in action. I'd put some JS breakpoints in to see what meta.settings.oInit.originalData looks like for each row 10:28 ashimema Andrew Isherwood 10:26 10:25 * magnuse launches himself into lunch 10:19 magnuse awesome! 10:19 ashimema hmm, I haven't.. I'll ask andrew 10:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24043 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ILL module can't show requests from more than one backend 10:18 magnuse ashimema: i have you ever seen something like bug 24043? 09:59 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:59 Joubu @later tell rangi the translated versions of the manual are still not there. I was expecting a `git pull` on the server this night that would have triggered the gitlab-ci make_html, rsync commands. Am I missing something or just need to wait a bit more? 09:41 ashimema it's a dependancy mess I believe 09:41 ashimema mmm, I am waiting on Mirko for an update on packaging.. 09:40 Joubu D10 is still failing however 09:38 ashimema I'm so pleased with MySQL8 passing.. thanks for your work there Joubu 09:37 ashimema haha 09:19 magnuse hiya lilipute1h_asu 09:19 magnuse hehe 09:17 * Joubu is already writing the pull request 09:17 Joubu ashimema: we should screenshot the "build statuses" on thedashboard right now and replace the badges with it 09:09 ashimema wow.. even MySQL8 is clean! 08:23 liliputech_asu bonjour magnuse :) 08:07 magnuse bonjour france 08:06 alex_a Bonjour 07:56 reiveune hello 07:36 magnuse woohoo, all the build statuses on the dashboard are green! 07:28 magnuse talljoy++ for volunteering!