Time  Nick               Message
07:28 magnuse            talljoy++ for volunteering!
07:36 magnuse            woohoo, all the build statuses on the dashboard are green!
07:56 reiveune           hello
08:06 alex_a             Bonjour
08:07 magnuse            bonjour france
08:23 liliputech_asu     bonjour magnuse :)
09:09 ashimema           wow.. even MySQL8 is clean!
09:17 Joubu              ashimema: we should screenshot the "build statuses" on thedashboard right now and replace the badges with it
09:17 * Joubu            is already writing the pull request
09:19 magnuse            hehe
09:19 magnuse            hiya lilipute1h_asu
09:37 ashimema           haha
09:38 ashimema           I'm so pleased with MySQL8 passing.. thanks for your work there Joubu
09:40 Joubu              D10 is still failing however
09:41 ashimema           mmm, I am waiting on Mirko for an update on packaging..
09:41 ashimema           it's a dependancy mess I believe
09:59 Joubu              @later tell rangi the translated versions of the manual are still not there. I was expecting a `git pull` on the server this night that would have triggered the gitlab-ci make_html, rsync commands. Am I missing something or just need to wait a bit more?
09:59 huginn             Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:18 magnuse            ashimema: i have you ever seen something like bug 24043?
10:18 huginn             Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24043 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ILL module can't show requests from more than one backend
10:19 ashimema           hmm, I haven't.. I'll ask andrew
10:19 magnuse            awesome!
10:25 * magnuse          launches himself into lunch
10:28 ashimema           Andrew Isherwood 10:26
10:28 ashimema           Sounds like the request status doesn't align with those defined in the backend, perhaps. Very hard to say without seeing it in action. I'd put some JS breakpoints in to see what meta.settings.oInit.originalData looks like for each row
10:43 Joubu              @later tell rangi bugzilla 5.0.6 patch for the graph colors attached on bug 23672. They had the wonderful idea to perltidy all their files and switch from 4 spaces to 2 spaces indentation... (gonna add that idea to our next dev meeting agenda ;))
10:43 huginn             Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:05 ashimema           @seen lari
11:05 huginn             ashimema: lari was last seen in #koha 5 days, 14 hours, 16 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <lari> Bug 23998
11:16 paxed              the Koha_Plugin_Hooks wiki page doesn't seem to be up to date
11:30 * ashimema         wonders if we should have a 'Plugin' section in bugzilla.. to track bugs in hooks, new and enhanced hooks
11:36 Joubu              ashimema: there is "plugin architecture", not sure what is is
11:36 Joubu              "Bugs associated with adding, updating, removing and fixing code related to plugin infrastructure with core Koha."
11:36 ashimema           I literally just added it ;)
11:37 * ashimema         is going through release notes and spots lots of plugin related enhancements and things lost amonght the 'architecture' category
11:37 Joubu              ha :)
11:37 ashimema           I'm just going to label up all plugin hooks and enhancements with that component now.. should make tracking a little easier as it's a fast moving area of koha.. much like REST api is now.
11:39 ashimema           I added 'architecture' into the name to try and make it clear it's not that we're supporting the plugins themselves.. but that this only concerns stuff in core pertaining to allowing plugins to be built
11:56 cait               hm is bug email working?
11:57 * ashimema         hasn't check his email today
11:57 * cait             waves
11:58 cait               https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo
11:59 ashimema           wierd
11:59 cait               yes
11:59 cait               it looks like a mailserver problem
11:59 cait               the email you sent came through on koha - but that's the katipo server
11:59 cait               not biblibre's
11:59 cait               jajm: around?
11:59 cait               or lilipute1h_asu maybe?
12:02 ashimema           did you see talljoy has stepped up for 19.11 rmaint :)
12:02 cait               no i didn't
12:02 cait               had a bit of a slow start, i think i am getting a cold :(
12:04 cait               does someoen know who cares for the mail server at biblibre? laurent?
12:05 ashimema           pass
12:07 cait               hm
12:10 cait               fridolin: ?
12:10 cait               matts: around?
12:10 cait               paul_p: ?
12:11 cait               reiveune: ? :)
12:11 reiveune           ?
12:11 * cait             makes a lot of IRC clients light up
12:11 cait               hey :)
12:11 ashimema           Joubu might still have access?
12:11 reiveune           hi :)
12:11 cait               we noticed that thre is a problem with the mail server: https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-bugs
12:12 cait               it seems mails are not coming through from the biblibre mail server - can you ping the person responsible?
12:12 reiveune           ok
12:12 cait               thank you
12:13 Joubu              I don't
12:17 Joubu              cait: what about bug 24027, last 2 comments?
12:17 huginn             Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24027 normal, P5 - low, ---, nugged, ASSIGNED , Adding multiple items is slow
12:18 cait               Joubu: sorry, not sure i understand the issue yet and lacking time to test right now
12:19 Joubu              page is too heavy when thousands of items are displayed on the add items form
12:22 Joubu              kidclamp maybe? ^
12:28 kidclamp           There is a pref on the details page to show or not if there are many
12:28 kidclamp           Maybe similar?
12:31 Joubu              kidclamp: do we? Do you remember the name of the pref?
12:31 kidclamp           opac only, sorry
12:31 kidclamp           OpacMaxItemsToDisplay
12:31 Joubu              we have for the batch item mod/del
12:32 kidclamp           https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13680
12:32 huginn             Bug 13680: minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Items list on edit items page separates add items form from header and sidebar
12:32 kidclamp           relatedish
12:33 kidclamp           the problem though is that we do want to see the items so we can choose which to edit
12:34 Joubu              yes but not similar, 24027 is about perf issues
12:37 oleonard           Hi #koha
12:37 cait               hi oleonard
12:37 wahanui            hi oleopard
12:40 * oleonard         is happy to have a working devbox again after two weeks without
12:48 * magnuse          prepares for a deluge of patches from oleonard
12:48 oleonard           :D Lots of other work to do, so if you do see them you know I'm procrastinating, magnuse
12:49 * oleonard         should never have fixed his devbox
12:56 tcohen             hola
12:56 oleonard           Hi tcohen
12:58 tcohen             hehe, hope I can see you procrastinate a bit
12:58 fridolin           cait: indeed its Laurent, please mail me I'll forward
12:58 caroline_          hiyee!
12:59 ashimema           ooh.. docs meeting soon..
12:59 ashimema           I'd forgotten about that :)
13:00 * caroline_        is fending off cats from eating her breakfast
13:01 cait               fridolin: i think reiveune emailed him
13:02 reiveune           yes i do
13:02 fridolin           oki super
13:02 cait               fridolin: no mails comin in from the mailing lists today
13:02 fridolin           it happens ;) mailling is more and more difficult these days
13:02 cait               maybe the server just needs a reboot
13:03 * caroline_        apologizes for any weird messages sent by her cats stepping on the keyboard
13:03 caroline_          ;)
13:03 * thd              needs a reboot.
13:03 caroline_          since davidnind doesn't seem to be around, should we start the meeting anyway?
13:03 Marie-Luce         Hi everyone
13:04 caroline_          it's been a while since I've chaired... hopefully it goes well...
13:05 caroline_          #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 14 November 2019
13:05 huginn             Meeting started Thu Nov 14 13:05:03 2019 UTC.  The chair is caroline_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:05 huginn             Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:05 huginn             The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_14_november_2019'
13:05 caroline_          #topic Introductions (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes)
13:05 caroline_          #Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Montréal, Québec
13:06 thd                #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
13:08 Marie-Luce         #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inLibro, Montréal, Québec
13:08 caroline_          ashimema, cait ?
13:10 caroline_          #topic Review of action points
13:11 caroline_          First is review of Manager role
13:11 caroline_          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_management
13:12 ashimema_
13:12 caroline_          ashimema and I started documenting the role
13:12 caroline_          if you have anything to add, please do :)
13:13 caroline_          Yesterday at the general meeting, we voted on the new team
13:13 caroline_          However, anybody who wants to join the team mid-cycle is welcome!!
13:13 caroline_          Send me an email or a @later if you're not sure how to contribute
13:14 ashimema_          #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
13:14 caroline_          davidnind and I will be sharing the docs manager role
13:14 ashimema_          If people do join caroline_, let me know and I can add them into the release notes that get generated
13:14 caroline_          davidnind will continue the stellar job he has been doing for orienting the docs strategy
13:15 caroline_          davidnind++
13:15 ashimema_          I'm excited by the two of you working it between you.. we benefit from both your strengths :)
13:15 caroline_          and I will do the nitty gritty, like populate Taiga and merging requests
13:16 ashimema           #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
13:16 ashimema           #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
13:16 caroline_          lol ashimema I think you have a problem with your IRC client again XD
13:17 caroline_          branching off for a second
13:17 ashimema_          [off] I'll say.. I killed it but it's still sending messages :(
13:17 thd                changing identity should give a problem
13:17 caroline_          thd has taken the role of wiki curator
13:17 caroline_          and will continue his hard work of updating the wiki
13:17 caroline_          thd++
13:18 * thd              has long been secret curator except for a long bout of spending all his time helping elderly neighbours and friends with serious problems.
13:18 caroline_          I'm not very technical, but if there is anything I can do to help, I'm happy to (I can test)
13:19 thd                Testing should be very soon.
13:19 caroline_          :( I hope your neighbours are better...
13:19 Marie-Luce         I've some spare time, but I'm not too sure how can I help
13:19 thd                Sadly my neighbour passed on which gives me time for Koha again.
13:20 caroline_          :(
13:20 Marie-Luce         sorry to hear this
13:20 thd                I kept her going eight years when her diagnosis was six months.
13:21 caroline_          back to DM role, ashimema_ has also been documenting the DM transition workflow
13:22 sev_q              Hello #oha !
13:23 caroline_          davidnind and I have both been dm before, so I'm not sure this applies for this cycle, but we will have to test it eventually
13:24 caroline_          #topic Project updates
13:25 caroline_          current ongoing projects are : content development guide
13:25 caroline_          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_-_Content_Development_Guide
13:25 thd                I hope that many tests for wiki migration and then updating will be automated with diffs etc.
13:27 caroline_          Wiki update and curator role is also an ongoing project
13:27 caroline_          :)
13:27 caroline_          also Git guide for non-developers (Marie-Luce, maybe you could help with this as you are new to git)
13:28 caroline_          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_guide_for_documentation
13:28 * ashimema_        will read that one and see if anything stands out.. not looked at it in a while
13:28 caroline_          also Automated screenshots, Joubu and davidnind were both working on this independently I think
13:29 caroline_          Not sure there's been any progress
13:29 caroline_          And finally, three other of davidnind's babies, Installation guide, Getting started guide and Reorganising manual contents
13:30 Marie-Luce         I can work on git guide for documentation. It will be a good way to learn
13:31 caroline_          It was not mentionned in the agenda, but davidnind also worked on a documentation strategy plan, which I'm in love with
13:31 caroline_          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_-_Plan
13:31 caroline_          It's a complete rethinking of the documentation for Koha
13:32 ashimema_          Interesting.. I'll have a read of that shortly
13:32 caroline_          He talked a bit about it in his talk at KohaCon19
13:33 ashimema_          I was leading an alternate talk I think during that one :(
13:33 ashimema_          so missed it.
13:33 caroline_          aw... :(
13:34 caroline_          Wasn't it during the conference part?
13:34 ashimema_          Translation workflow is slowly starting to come together too
13:34 ashimema_          I think it was one of the workshops
13:34 ashimema_          I might be wrong
13:34 caroline_          he did a workshop too, but he did a talk
13:35 caroline_          anyway, I'm conscious of the time... Translation workflow was a subtopic in What's been done so far
13:35 caroline_          which we're getting to
13:36 caroline_          #topic What's been done so far
13:36 caroline_          lucyvh, myself and cait have been submitting merge requests for the manual
13:37 caroline_          keep up the good work team!!
13:37 caroline_          Now we'll embark on the changes for 19.11 and I hope we can do 20.05 at the same time
13:37 caroline_          we're a bit behind
13:37 ashimema_          have you guys got a process worked out for maintaining the different versions?
13:38 ashimema_          I'm still a little out of touch on the docs flow front.
13:38 caroline_          I wanted to ask, from now on, since we'll be working in several versions at the same time, make sure to write which version(s) your change applies to so I can merge it on the right manual
13:38 caroline_          #action caroline_catlady will work on a system for managing several manual branches at the same time
13:39 ashimema_          I 'think' gitlab will let you do that at the merge request end.. i.e. ask to merge into branch x instead of merge into master
13:39 caroline_          #info when submitting merge requests, please indicate which koha version it applies to
13:39 caroline_          It does
13:39 caroline_          And I can also cherry pick on to another branch
13:39 caroline_          technically, everything should go on master
13:40 ashimema_          do you tend to do all your work in gitlab, or do you have a local copy of git which you use for managing ?
13:40 caroline_          unless something was removed
13:40 ashimema_          brill
13:40 caroline_          I work on the manual from a local repo, but the managing stuff I do on gitlab
13:41 ashimema_          I'm happy to give some lessons on cherry-picking and things if you like
13:41 caroline_          gitlab makes it very easy (there's litterally a button that says cherry pick and you choose which branch)
13:41 ashimema_          [off] I now have access to the translate server so can help move that automated process forward.
13:41 caroline_          but I'm open to learning how to do it command line to :)
13:42 ashimema_          great :)
13:42 * ashimema_        isn't so familiar with gitlab ui.. :)
13:42 caroline_          ok, about the translation workflow!
13:42 caroline_          what did we decide?
13:42 cait               oops, missing hte meeting?
13:43 caroline_          hi cait!
13:43 cait               hi
13:43 cait               too late?
13:43 caroline_          we're getting to the translation workflow for the manual
13:43 caroline_          I saw the discussions, but I don't know if we decided anything yet
13:44 cait               I didn't get any feedback on the paper Martin and I wrote - ashimema, have you touched base with bernardo since?
13:45 ashimema_          well, initially I just wanted to try and make sure the regular rebuilds of the manual were working for the various branches.. at the moment I think the only 'living document' is the master branch.. but it's been getting pushed regularly to the 19.05 manual
13:45 cait               one thig maybe to discuss is when to branch out the manuals
13:45 * cait             has to keep an eye on her lunch cooking
13:45 ashimema_          once I've got that side of it sorted I wanted to look at automating pulling in translations from translate.koha-community.org
13:47 ashimema_          I'm currently reading the scripts on the translate server to get a better understanding of how it all fits together before proposing next steps ;)
13:47 caroline_          for the manual branches, I suggested that we create one as soon as the cycle begins so we can work on it as the developpers add things
13:47 ashimema_          I think 19.11 should be branched off on the day of the release (same time as I branch the koha code branch off)
13:48 caroline_          but it means more work on managing branches for the dm
13:48 ashimema_          then the 'master' manual branch effectively follows 20.05
13:48 ashimema_          that's how we work in koha code development
13:49 ashimema_          so 'master' == 20.05 before it's released.. then 20.11 once 20.05 is released.. then 21.05 etc etc.
13:49 caroline_          ok makes sense
13:50 ashimema_          so master is the living document.. then things that aught to be backported (i.e are 'fixes' and not 'additions/enhancements/new features') get cherry-picked into the 'stable' docs branches
13:50 ashimema_          the issue I see here is that if I'm not mistaken you guys generally are a few months behind on documentation?
13:50 caroline_          ok so right now, we should have master and 19.11 and before
13:51 caroline_          yes -_-
13:51 ashimema_          so in effect you're rapidly playing catch up for the first few months of each cycle
13:51 caroline_          I'd like us to be more up to date...
13:51 ashimema_          that would be great
13:51 caroline_          That's why I want to work on getting the release notes in taiga for everyone to work on
13:51 caroline_          asap
13:52 ashimema_          is there's anything we can do with bugzilla or whatever to help track what 'bugs' get backported into the stable branches.. so you know better what manual changes also need corresponding backports?
13:52 ashimema_          what do you mean 'getting the release notes in taiga'?
13:53 caroline_          oh I hadn't thought of that part... but the bugs that usually get backported don't need documentation since theyre fixing things that should already work
13:53 ashimema_          well.. usually ;)
13:53 ashimema_          but sometimes a fix clarifies some usage or changes wording
13:53 caroline_          I read through the release notes diffs and add tasks in taiga for bugs that mean changes in the manual
13:53 ashimema_          cait , any comments on there..
13:54 ashimema_          once a release is done should the manual be pretty much static?
13:54 caroline_          I think so, unless were behind like right now
13:54 ashimema_          oh cool.. I'm still working on tidying up the release notes btw ;)
13:54 cait               i think we are not quite there yet
13:55 cait               but in the future maybe - we could have a 'docs' freeze :)
13:55 ashimema_          trying to go through every bug and traige it to make sure it's labelled correctly in terms of component, severity, enhancement/new feature or bug etc and then add small summaries for enhancements and new features.
13:55 cait               howhard is it to cherry-pick with the gitlab giu?
13:55 caroline_          not hard at all
13:55 cait               cool
13:55 caroline_          I can do it :)
13:56 cait               i think there are some 'pros' to branching
13:56 ashimema_          agreed
13:56 cait               - help links from Koha go to the manual - so if there is no 19.11 manual... do they work?
13:56 cait               - we could publish a link to the 19.11 manual in the release notes
13:57 cait               - we will have a 19.11 manual on the website...
13:57 cait               so a lot of pros to branching out i think
13:57 thd                On many large projects documentation is somewhat behind the code which is almost inevitable.  A docs freeze if it could work would not realistically work at the same time as a code freeze.
13:57 ashimema_          For a cycle a few cycles back we did have a development version of the manual running.. that was cool as, as a developer you could look at the manual for new features to see if they existed or not (and links worked I believe)
13:57 caroline_          Can we branch out on the day of feature freeze?
13:58 ashimema_          branching at feature freeze would be fine by me.. though I'm not sure if it would win you much...
13:58 cait               it would win some time maybe
13:58 cait               for bernardo to set up the manual po projects etc
13:59 ashimema_          if you're still expecting the workflow to be 'merge to master -> backport to branches' then you'd just be making that 'backport to branches' step a requirement a few weeks earlier in the process
13:59 ashimema_          that is certainly true cait..
13:59 ashimema_          that makes allot of sense actually..
13:59 ashimema_          we could branch 19.11 manual now so that translation can start now..even if the manual isn't complete yet?
14:00 thd                If only all code patches required complete documentation for the manual.
14:00 cait               usually, when the strings don't change, you don't have to retranslate, only changes
14:00 cait               so you can start translating and most of it will stay the same
14:01 caroline_          we do do a lot of de-capitalization and review (anyway, I do)
14:01 ashimema_          I do think that a monthly string freeze anouncement for the manual would be good... I imagine the first 2 maybe 3 months of a new stable the manual for that version gets updated a lot (doing catch up).. having translators know they need to go and translate the updates once a month is likely going to yield better results that expecting they'll be watching the repo and translating as you go.
14:01 cait               i think ideally a change to a stable branch should trigger a po file update
14:01 ashimema_          haha.. funny you should say that thd.. that's been on my list for a while.
14:01 ashimema_          I've actually added some bugzilla searches to try and encourage the big commiters to keep up with documenting their new features.
14:03 caroline_          I don't want to interrupt this conversation, but I'm aware that we are over our hour
14:03 cait               whatever we do, let's write up the process :)
14:03 cait               caroline_diplomatic! :)
14:03 ashimema_          +1
14:03 caroline_          I was going to suggest to write it up and discuss next meeting?
14:03 cait               ok, do we have something to #info or #agreed?
14:04 caroline_          I don't feel like we've agreed on anything
14:04 ashimema_          indeed
14:04 caroline_          cait, can you write the pros to branching and ashimema_ can you write the cons?
14:04 cait               so .. next step?
14:05 cait               hm
14:05 cait               I can try to writ eup something and Martin can add to it
14:05 cait               but I will take a bit - i have some errands to run first
14:05 cait               where shoudl we put it?
14:05 caroline_          During this cycle, I will see how hard it is to manage several branches, and I will be better able to make a decision
14:05 ashimema_          Joubu is around now.. I think he's also got allot to input in that area.. we can get his input a bit too
14:06 caroline_          yes, much expertise stored in Joubu :)
14:06 cait               wiki?
14:06 ashimema_          +1
14:06 caroline_          wiki or google docs, whatever is fine
14:06 cait               ok
14:06 caroline_          it's just a working document
14:06 cait               ashimema: can oyu set up a page and send me the link maybe?
14:07 thd                google docs is non-free software eating your soul.
14:07 Joubu              about the translation, we are dealing with it on the issue. Bernardo, Chris and me. We will write down how it works, when we will remember :D
14:07 Joubu              https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/issues/13
14:07 caroline_          thd framapad then? :)
14:07 thd                :)
14:08 cait               start something please :) I am willing to add to whatever
14:08 Joubu              Something else, I am certainly off topic, sorry:
14:08 caroline_          #action ashimema_ will create a wiki page to discuss branching out the manual
14:08 ashimema_          stick it on the wiki
14:09 caroline_          #action cait will discuss branching out on the wiki
14:09 ashimema_          I'll catch you up in PM Joubu
14:09 Joubu              k
14:09 caroline_          I will skip the next steps as that is pretty much what we just did and go to final topic
14:09 caroline_          #topic Set time of next meeting
14:10 caroline_          11 december is already taken up by general meeting I think
14:10 caroline_          do we want 12 december?
14:11 caroline_          could we do it later so david can join?
14:11 ashimema_          sounds good to me.
14:11 thd                I may miss a mid December meeting while travelling to California for a couple of weeks.
14:11 ashimema_          December meetings are always challenging.. that time of year and all
14:12 ashimema_          I'd just schedule it and hope people can attend ;)
14:12 caroline_          yeah parties and stuff :)
14:12 ashimema_          yup
14:13 thd                I will definitely attend if the electricity is working and I can otherwise.
14:13 caroline_          #info Next meeting: 12 December 2019, 19 UTC
14:13 caroline_          #endmeeting
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14:14 caroline_          phew!
14:14 caroline_          I saw the translation rate has gone down for my language :)
14:14 ashimema_          caroline_++
14:14 ashimema_          thanks :)
14:14 oleonard           caroline_++
14:14 caroline_          95% translated
14:15 caroline_          thank you all for your time, sorry it was longer that usual
14:16 caroline_          ok I'm off to the office, bbl
14:17 cait               caroline_catlady++
14:17 * oleonard         brb
14:28 cait               there are too many caroline_catlady today
14:28 oleonard           No such thing
14:29 cait               true
14:32 * thd              has to go to work today and needs more sleep
14:34 ashimema_          @later tell rangi Any chance you could look at the apache config on www.koha-community.org.. a few of the translated manuals, like https://koha-community.org/manual/19.05/de/html/index.html are giving a 403 permissions error
14:34 huginn             ashimema_: The operation succeeded.
14:50 Joubu              @later tell rangi found that error: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Stemmer'" from gitlab, I guess that would explain something went wrong during the generation of the manual translations
14:50 huginn             Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:54 Joubu              @later tell rangi, ok added to the .gitlab-ci for 19.05 and see what's happening next, I am stopping molesting you now.
14:54 huginn             Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:00 Joubu              @later tell rangi (maybe not *right now*) We need gitlab-ci for stable branch actually, Martin and me are on it. So basically you clean your window with all what I told you today ;)
15:00 huginn             Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:09 caroline_catlady   hello again!
15:16 tcohen             later
15:30 oleonard           Oh no kohadevbox working but sync_repo not :(
15:31 oleonard           Somehow my work from yesterday is in the VM but changes from today don't show up there
15:33 cait               :(
16:06 * ashimema_        prays
16:08 cait               argh, laptop ran out of battery
16:08 cait               mailing list server is still dead?
16:09 oleonard           Oh is that why there's no bugzilla traffic?
16:10 * oleonard         is accustomed to a steady trickle at least
16:10 ashimema_          yup
16:10 * talljoy          goes to find more bugs to assign to oleonard
16:11 ashimema_          well.. that and I've not looked at bugzilla today.. been working on other things that were put off before string freeze
16:11 ashimema_          today has been my catch up on other things day
16:11 ashimema_          ooh talljoy is here :)
16:11 * oleonard         couldn't work on a bug even if he wanted to, which he does
16:11 ashimema_          thanks for stepping up to fill the gap in our rmaints talljoy :)
16:11 talljoy            sorry about your devbox
16:11 talljoy            my pleasure ashimema
16:12 ashimema_          tcohen had an issue earlier with sync_repo oleonard..
16:12 ashimema_          not sure what it was.
16:12 talljoy            i look forward to it, if the community doesn't object to throwing my name in
16:12 oleonard           Oh I didn't see that news, talljoy! Thank you very much
16:12 ashimema_          certainly not, welcome aboard, the more he merrier.
16:13 ashimema_          if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask..  I'll be dropping an email around to the rmaints some time in the next week or so to 'onboard' everyone.. basically reminding people where documentation for the role is, offering any assistance, asking for public keys so I can get you all setup for pushing etc..
16:13 ashimema_          I'm trying to be organised this time around :)
16:14 talljoy            organized is a good thing!
16:16 ashimema_          cait I think between Joubu and I we may have got translations building properly for the manual..
16:16 ashimema_          I'm just watching the job running now
16:17 ashimema_          building the manual is a very long job it seems
16:17 cait               oleonard: yeah i miss the emails too ... lots of my workflow depends ont he mails
16:17 cait               I sent an email to lds from Biblibre, ashimema - cc
16:18 cait               and thx talljoy!
16:18 cait               let me know if I can help
16:19 talljoy            i will cait!
16:19 cait               ashimema sounds good
16:20 cait               ashimema: working on the po file transfer already too or just building the manuals for now?
16:20 ashimema_          a little of both
16:20 ashimema_          right now half the manuals on the website go to a 403 dead end page
16:20 ashimema_          I'm fixing that at the minute
16:21 ashimema_          If that works, next job is to get each of the branches building and pushing to the right branch.. i.e at the moment the development version of the manual gets pushed to the 19.05 links on the website
16:21 ashimema_          I'm fixing that
16:21 ashimema_          then.. it'll be automating pulling in translations
16:23 cait               keeping fingers crossed
16:23 cait               and a big thanks to everyone owrking on this
16:24 cait               ashimema++ Joubu++
16:25 caroline_catlady   yes thank you! ashimema_++ Joubu++
16:27 koha-jenkins       Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #55: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/55/
16:27 ashimema_          interesting..
16:27 ashimema_          who prompted a Jenkins build
16:28 ashimema_          oh.. 19.05.. not me :)
16:29 koha-jenkins       Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #56: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/56/
16:30 bag                !bang
16:30 AnnaBoten          There is no hunt right now! You can start a hunt with the 'start' command
16:31 cait               hi bag
16:31 koha-jenkins       Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #54: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/54/
16:40 * caroline_catlady will forever imagine bag as yosemite sam entering the salloon guns ablazin'
16:40 bag                hehe
16:40 bag                I don’t have the correct mustache
16:41 talljoy            or hat
16:41 caroline_catlady   or ginger hair
16:41 oleonard           https://media.giphy.com/media/wxsgRLrf0pgty/giphy.gif
16:42 caroline_catlady   oleonard: exactly! lol!
16:42 caroline_catlady   yosemite bag
16:42 bag                :D
16:44 cait               :)
16:59 * cait             translates and sighs
16:59 * cait             sends cookies to caroline_catlady
16:59 caroline_catlady   ooh free cookies!
17:00 caroline_catlady   why are you sighing?
17:00 caroline_catlady   too much work?
17:06 cait               ... and boring!
17:07 caroline_catlady   I find it's a good mindless activity when I need to switch off
17:08 caroline_catlady   speaking of translating, what is the difference between a "key map" and a "keyboard shortcut"?
17:12 cait               caroline_catlady not sure...
17:12 cait               maybe the shortcut is what you create by the key map?
17:12 caroline_catlady   ok... I think I will just use the translation for keyboard shortcut...
17:13 caroline_catlady   trying to translate "More documentation on defining key maps"
17:13 caroline_catlady   I don't feel like the documentation is very useful to the end user but whatevs
18:06 tcohen             ashimema: it would be great if 19.11 had the OAuth2 dependencies issue solved :-D
18:08 tcohen             @later tell fridolin please consider 22280 for 19.05.x
18:08 huginn             tcohen: The operation succeeded.
18:45 reiveune           bye
19:13 * cait             waves
19:18 kidclamp           @later tell fridolin I don't think 23484 belongs in 19.05
19:18 huginn             kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
19:19 oleonard           Hi kidclamp
19:19 kidclamp           hi oleopard
19:31 cait               bug 23484
19:31 huginn             Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23484 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to stable , Holds to pull (pendingreserves.pl) uses removed default_branch_item_rules table
19:31 cait               hm ouch
19:31 cait               kidclamp: you should email him, he asked me to email him if there is something like that last meeting
19:37 kidclamp           kk
19:40 oleonard           I'd like to announce that my devbox is NOT fixed (it's fixed) because SAYING it's fixed (it is) might jinx the whole thing
19:40 cait               understood
19:40 cait               unfixed, totally
19:41 caroline_catlady   still not fixed, got it
19:47 oleonard           HAHAHA IT'S NOT ୧༼ಠ益ಠ༽୨
19:48 oleonard           rsync doesn't recognize new changes to the host files after the devbox starts
19:51 oleonard           ┬──┬◡ノ(° -°ノ)
19:52 wizzyrea           is that you putting the table back down
19:52 wizzyrea           or getting ready to flip it
19:53 oleonard           Putting it back down... but nobody saw me flip the table so I can see the confusion
19:55 oleonard           Codemirror's documentation is making me want to flip that table again
19:59 * oleonard         will exercise the furniture more tomorrow
20:23 wizzyrea           hazard warning, I'm going to be breaking the manuals on the website for a short time
20:33 wizzyrea           should be back now
20:40 wizzyrea           do please sing out if anything seems wrong there - we just needed a bit more space on the server!
20:40 wizzyrea           so I gave it some!
20:43 ashimema           wizzyrea. What did you do to the manuals?
20:47 * ashimema_        just wonders as he's been trying to get the translations working a fair chunk of this afternoon
21:02 wizzyrea           added disk space so that the website would continue working :)
21:02 wizzyrea           afk kiddo pickup time
21:05 ashimema_          Aha, I see..
21:05 ashimema_          Did my last build cause full disks.. if it did.. sorry about that.
21:19 caroline_catlady   cait still around?
21:20 caroline_catlady   or I think wizzyrea could answer my question
21:21 caroline_catlady   I trying to document what bug 7088 does, and there are a lot of comments and the test plan is a bit confusing...
21:21 huginn             Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7088 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, RESOLVED FIXED, Cannot renew items on hold even with override
21:21 caroline_catlady   I don't have the checkbox to renew my item, is that normal?
21:22 caroline_catlady   https://snipboard.io/JuYvUh.jpg
21:23 caroline_catlady   and before you ask, yes,  AllowRenewalOnHoldOverride is on Allow
21:24 caroline_catlady   and I have superibrarian permissions
21:31 lisettelatah       caroline_catlady I think you have to click the "Override renewal restrictions:" checkbox below the table.
21:31 cait               kind fo around, reading back
21:31 cait               lisettelatah: was missing your name on the release team list! ;)
21:32 lisettelatah       cait, I forgot to go add it until he'd called for the vote. I was thinking the meeting was next week for some reason and just happened to be in chat when it started.
21:32 caroline_catlady   aaahh! Thanks lisettelatah! I hadn't noticed the checkbox
21:32 caroline_catlady   thanks so much!
21:32 cait               lisettelatah: i think noone would complain if you added it now :)
21:33 lisettelatah       cait: if you're sure, I'd be happy to be a bug wrangler again.
21:33 cait               rangi: caroline_catlady: are we sure? :)
21:33 caroline_catlady   we are sure
21:33 caroline_catlady   (that was a royal we btw, I'm not speaking for rangi)
21:34 cait               lol
21:34 rangi              yep, just add it
21:34 cait               for a second I thought this wouldn't work :)
21:34 lisettelatah       thanks! I'll do it right now!
21:36 lisettelatah       cait: Thanks for reporting that capitalization bug yesterday. It came right when I was looking for a first patch to write.
21:38 cait               :)
21:38 cait               i was just looking for your tweet
21:38 cait               can you give me the number?
21:39 cait               bug 24033 might be another not too hard one
21:39 huginn             Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24033 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fix column labelling on basket summary page (ecost)
21:40 cait               never mind, i found it :)
21:43 lisettelatah       thanks for another one, I'm looking at the code for that page now.
21:48 cait               lisettelatah: it might take a bit until it can go in - we just got into "String freeze"
21:48 cait               but it will go in for sure
21:48 ashimema_          More than happy to have lisettelatah on team..
21:49 cait               passing qa on your patch now - so it will be ready to go after release
21:51 lisettelatah       cait thanks for letting me know. I knew the string freeze was coming when I wrote it yesterday, I so I knew it wouldn't likely be done before that.
21:51 lisettelatah       thanks ashimema_
22:09 ashimema_          Yay, wizzyrea fixed the last step that was failing for us in the manual translations
22:10 ashimema_          wizzyrea++
22:10 caroline_catlady   wizzyrea++ ashimema++
22:10 caroline_catlady   isn't it late for you ashimema_ ?
22:10 ashimema_          It is.. but I couldn't help myself but look
22:11 ashimema_          So.. see more have both 19.11 and 19.05 building in all languages woop woop. 😀
22:11 wizzyrea           wait what
22:11 wizzyrea           lol
22:11 wizzyrea           what'd I do?
22:11 ashimema_          Your adding disk space
22:11 wizzyrea           oh made space.
22:11 wizzyrea           :D
22:12 wizzyrea           well jeez kids
22:12 wizzyrea           you shoulda told me sooner.
22:12 wizzyrea           i mean all you gotta do is ask :P
22:12 ashimema_          It meant that when I triggered a rebuild safety that it passed instead of failing..
22:12 ashimema_          Missy have been the rsync that was dieing
22:13 wizzyrea           wait wait your builds were failing bc of the server out of space?
22:13 ashimema_          I had no idea that was the issue.. well, I had a hunch this afternoon but you asked if before I managed to ask you .
22:13 ashimema_          😀
22:13 wizzyrea           oh, ha it was just coincidence that I logged in today
22:14 wizzyrea           WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS OUT OF SPACE WTAF
22:14 ashimema_          The build had a final step of rsyncing to the server
22:14 wizzyrea           lol
22:14 ashimema_          Butmm gitlab runners don't give us the full build log so we could uldnt actually read the relevant error
22:14 ashimema_          Fun
22:15 wizzyrea           hm not fun well I am glad to have been helpful :)
22:15 wizzyrea           the problem helped me through a rather long and tedious meeting. >.>
22:16 ashimema_          It's made me happy.. but hopefully made lots of other people more happy.. I can't read Spanish anyways myself.. lol
22:16 ashimema_          Hehe,
22:16 ashimema_          Right cloxking off now. Bed time
22:16 ashimema_          See ya
22:28 wizzyrea           a question you can answer later, is how many more translations we should expect - because the new disk I put in is already 64% full ^.^
22:28 wizzyrea           another 10G is $1 more a month.
23:53 corilynn           anyboo around for a process question?