Time Nick Message 00:42 corilynn now that I have figured out how to right reports with SQL the world is my oyster! 00:43 corilynn muahahahahaha 00:44 corilynn write... not right... ugh, it's been a long day 03:22 bag corilynn++ 06:11 cait good morning #koha 06:34 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14669: (RM follow-up) Ensure updated include compiles <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=13de5a93200bd6621d1fa2eab5279d51264dce8a> 06:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #22: STILL FAILING in 13 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/22/ 06:53 cait Updated demo page for Bywater (19.05) and Calyx (18.11) on the website (https://koha-community.org/demo/) 06:53 reiveune hello 06:53 wahanui what's up, reiveune 06:56 alex_a Bonjour 06:56 wahanui salut, alex_a 07:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #912: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/912/ 07:15 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 07:15 wahanui Congratulations! 07:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #391: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/391/ 07:25 ashimema mornin' #koha 07:30 fridolin yolo 07:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #454: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/454/ 07:52 ashimema @seen drojf 07:52 huginn ashimema: drojf was last seen in #koha 45 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 37 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <drojf> -s 07:53 ashimema yowsers 07:53 * andreashm waves 08:09 * ashimema thinks it could be a challenge to find someone with the expertise he thinks is needed to get the tests passing... Elastic + Zebra + Packaging + Docker.. lol 08:13 andreashm difficult combo, yes 08:29 ashimema I'm thinking tcohen + kidclamp will be the winning combo :) 08:29 ashimema just need to wait for them to wake up in their timezones 08:30 cait : 08:30 cait :) 08:33 nlegrand hey 08:35 cait hi nlegrand! 08:35 cait does someone remember the bug adding languages to xslt? 08:42 paxed bug 23783? 08:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23783 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Show languages from MARC21 field 041 in OPAC 08:42 cait oh! 08:42 cait i just filed that one :) 08:42 cait i found your old one for staff - bug 20364 08:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20364 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, RESOLVED FIXED, Show languages from MARC21 field 041 in intranet 08:43 paxed we don't use koha opac in finland, so haven't touched that side 08:43 cait that's ok, that's why I filed a new bug 08:43 cait i hope to get to it - but probably not anytime soon 08:43 cait you already did the 'hard' part 08:44 cait I just remembered sometthing was already done and was looking for it - we are behind in the version 08:44 paxed (the national library of finland provides unified opac front-end to all finnish libraries: finna.fi) 08:44 cait Finna - I've heard about it :) 08:44 ashimema cool 08:45 cait paxed: as you are here - is there a project summary or similar maybe? 08:45 paxed cait: ...for? 08:45 cait working on slides (again... *sigh) and woudl like to highlight that project 08:45 paxed oh, for finna 08:45 cait mor efor the koha project 08:45 cait sorry, i was not clear 08:47 paxed eeh... not really, no. https://github.com/KohaSuomi/ and https://koha-suomi.fi/ is all the public-facing stuff we have. (plus https://tiketti.koha-suomi.fi/ but that's mostly for internal use) 08:51 paxed the national library is actually organizing a small hackathon on the 22nd in Helsinki, and a seminar on the 23rd-24th (not just about Koha, but other stuff too) 08:53 cait thank you for the links, maybe I can use some of the twitter announcements 08:55 Nemo_bis paxed: nice :) 08:56 paxed https://www.kiwi.fi/display/kivepa/Koha-hackathon+ti+22.10.2019 08:57 paxed and kohaputti could probably answer questions about the national library side of things, as he's working there 09:10 nlegrand cait: hiya! 10:15 kidclamp ashimema: looks like its all the paths/config stuff 10:16 ashimema yup 10:16 kidclamp can we use 'adjust_paths_dev_install" in the tests? 10:17 kidclamp I will wait for tcohen tpo :-) 10:17 ashimema er... 10:19 ashimema hehe 10:20 ashimema i get the feeling it's probably not hard to fix.. I just don't know how ;) 11:03 marcelr hi #koha 11:28 vfernandes hi #koha 11:35 fridolin hi 11:36 oleonard Hey 11:37 ashimema bug 15260 11:37 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Option for extended loan with useDaysMode 11:40 vfernandes it's possible to set the hold pickup library to always be the library where the item is? 11:42 oleonard vfernandes: There's a preference for the OPAC, OPACAllowUserToChooseBranch 11:43 oleonard vfernandes: And there's a setting in Circulation and fine rules, "Default holds policy by item type" 11:45 vfernandes oleonard: in "Default holds policy by item type" what is the best configuration? 11:46 vfernandes Hold policy -> From any library 11:46 vfernandes Hold pickup library match -> Item's home library 11:46 oleonard That sounds right to me 11:47 vfernandes Return policy -> Item floats (it can be returned in any library) 11:48 vfernandes Hold pickup library match -> Item's home library ..... this forces the pickup library to always be the item's home library? 11:49 oleonard I believe so vfernandes, though I don't know that I've tested it myself 12:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #392: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/392/ 12:09 ashimema very interesting.. Ubuntu ships with Yaz5, so the tests pass there 12:10 oleonard As a Windows user file name case changes in git are the bane of my existence. 12:11 eythian I feel this is a pain you bring upon yourself 12:12 ashimema lol 12:12 eythian oleonard: also, https://www.howtogeek.com/354220/how-to-enable-case-sensitive-folders-on-windows-10/ 12:12 oleonard Complaining here about using Windows is a pain I bring upon myself 12:13 oleonard But thank you for the link eythian 12:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #913: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/913/ 12:55 ashimema man I'm bad with timezones at the moment 12:57 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Anyone know what this error message means?" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2730 12:58 ashimema just realised I've scheduled the development meeting during my school run 12:58 ashimema fun times 13:04 tcohen hi all 13:14 tcohen am I the only one with a weird problem with t/Koha/SearchEngine/ElasticSearch/QueryBuilder.t on his repository? 13:15 ashimema hi tcohen 13:15 ashimema I think that one is running fine for me 13:15 oleonard I was just complaining about the file name case change tcohen, but I'm a Windows-using peasant 13:16 ashimema it's Z2950Responder that's failing for me.. I know why but need help fixing it.. 13:16 ashimema passes in Ubuntu though.. as that has Yaz5.. 13:16 ashimema but out debs dont and as such are more picky about config file paths 13:17 tcohen https://snipboard.io/fjSB4J.jpg 13:21 * tcohen is about to remove the whole clone 13:27 caroline_catlady good morning! 13:29 oleonard tcohen: Any idea what might be going on here? http://paste.koha-community.org/2730 13:30 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady 13:32 tcohen maybe something in .env that isn't quoted? 13:33 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23626: Add missing TT failure <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90e2882568375bce956d0cb50edfa070c42cafce> 13:33 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23778: Regression: Guarantor entry section no longer has a unique id <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc9871f428af323901ebe57a6d0888f1dcf871cf> 13:33 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23626: [alternate] Default to including all rows <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=afa1106782d794b98efa90200ac793d7078a2686> 13:33 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23626: Only fetch full chart data if requested <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=83a545d8318560eb2ee385289ff8c291f07f6716> 13:33 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22997: Unit test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce8896f17d99cbbc663b8cc59110ce01d8e70afd> 13:33 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22927: Do not check an already lost item when marked as withdrawn or damaged <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=759790c97aee0c5e7d768459f3cf7525961666ef> 13:33 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22997: Searching gives no results in auth_finder.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a94e863c3ed17c177c9ce5d284616791fd5cd380> 13:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #23: STILL FAILING in 7 min 50 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/23/ 13:44 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17179: DBRev 19.06.00.039 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a013f2bbdd9cbf0c560a855e66d665857f8b8db0> 13:44 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17179: (follow-up) Add to keyboard_shortcuts.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8564cbcd9ab130bd06ca41db1fe4489ec51cea8b> 13:44 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17179: (follow-up) Correct typos, add default select. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e746f9d567921b1419e63216bdfaa85374d19c4> 13:44 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17179: Add keyboard shortcuts to repeat (duplicate) a field, and cut text <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b0ab38559ba021430aa1d9775748a6cb8dc94b2> 13:47 ashimema we should make huggin more intelligent.. he should really only list bugs once.. not once per commit 13:52 khall is anyone having issues with the Koha git repo? I tried to check out a fresh clone and got this: 13:52 khall warning: the following paths have collided (e.g. case-sensitive paths 13:52 khall on a case-insensitive filesystem) and only one from the same 13:52 khall colliding group is in the working tree: 13:52 khall 't/Koha/SearchEngine/ElasticSearch/QueryBuilder.t' 13:52 khall 't/Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch/QueryBuilder.t' 13:53 oleonard Yup 13:53 khall :\ 13:54 ashimema tcohen had that too 13:54 ashimema I is confused 13:54 ashimema all if fine for me.. 13:54 khall did tcohen find a solution? 13:54 khall I know tcohen and I are using Macs 13:54 tcohen I didn't 13:54 tcohen yet 13:55 ashimema interesting 13:55 ashimema I have t/Koha/SearchEngine/Elasticsearch and t/Koha/SearchEngine/ElasticSearch dirs here 13:55 oleonard khall: I thought Macs didn't have case sensitivity problems 13:56 ashimema looks like it's 20334 that caused the issue 13:57 khall oleonard You can choose case sensitive or insensitive when creating the filesystem 13:57 cait irc meetings 13:57 khall I must have chosen insensitive 13:57 ashimema hmm, maybe not 13:57 cait next meetings 13:57 wahanui next meetings is, like, https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings 13:57 ashimema the two files are rather more different that I thought 13:58 cait khall: bag had this problem yesterday 13:59 cait i don't have it - running Debian 13:59 * tcohen feels relieved is not the only one 13:59 oleonard After enabling case sensitivity on the kohaclone directory(Windows 10) I'm getting new problems, so I dunno... 13:59 cait well Ubuntu, sorry (other computer) 13:59 cait meeting in a minute? 13:59 ashimema not sure if it will help or not but I'm happy to merge ElasticSearch/QueryBuilder.t and Elasticsearch/QueryBuilder.t here and push 14:00 tcohen thanks ashimema 14:01 ashimema ok.. lets postpone the dev meeting for an hour.. that'll give me time to push this and collect kids from school ;) 14:01 khall ashimema please do! 14:02 cait i'll miss it then - but just... QA! 14:02 cait oh and FIX BUGS! 14:02 cait (dentist) 14:02 ashimema oh.. sorry cait 14:02 cait taht's alright 14:02 cait actually happy to havean hour more at my desk for tickets 14:04 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20334: (RM follow-up) Fix test for case insensative filesystems <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=104436cb74483cfef710fcda4b221d018311a6cd> 14:04 ashimema OK, a quick merge and push done 14:05 ashimema ack.. 14:05 ashimema hold that.. 14:05 ashimema there's a second file he added in there.. I need to sort that one too 14:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #914: STILL UNSTABLE in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/914/ 14:08 ashimema right.. 14:08 ashimema should be better now 14:08 ashimema care to try it tcohen, oleonard ? 14:09 * oleonard cares to 14:10 ashimema for anyone who may have just arrived.. we're posponing the dev meeting by an hour whilst we fixup a git issue on master 14:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #24: STILL FAILING in 4 min 50 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/24/ 14:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #455: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/455/ 14:14 tcohen ashimema: YAY! THanks 14:14 tcohen it is fixed 14:14 tcohen git fetch; git reset —hard origin/master 14:14 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20334: (RM follow-up) Fix test for case insensative filesystems 2 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15a30c129c16e7e70c47f0be62c2651954beb428> 14:15 * oleonard is tracking https://repo.or.cz/koha.git/ and doesn't have the update yet 14:15 cait :) 14:15 * oleonard doesn't know if that's still the preferred repo 14:18 tcohen hahaha 14:18 oleonard :| 14:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #25: STILL FAILING in 6 min 37 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/25/ 14:21 ashimema Not sure how we can easily avoid that in the future.. it's super easy to miss 14:22 ashimema Repo.or.cz should update pretty quick 14:30 * oleonard performs a hard reset by dousing his PC with gasoline and setting it alight 14:31 tcohen hahahahaha 14:31 tcohen the gitlab mirror should update regularly, right? 14:32 eythian oleonard: http://www.bash.org/?416857 14:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #393: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/393/ 14:33 oleonard You're right eythian I should check whether the floppy is really in there 14:37 oleonard Oh wait this is just an old copy of Zork 1 14:38 eythian poor oleonard, he's been eaten by a grue. 14:40 oleonard I don't understand what's going on... Still getting this " invalid config file .git/config" error from docker... 14:41 ashimema the gitlab mirror is dead tcohen 14:42 ashimema the repo is too big for gitlab 14:42 tcohen maybe we could only sync master? 14:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #915: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/915/ 14:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #456: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/456/ 14:59 ashimema right 14:59 ashimema now where were we 15:00 ashimema #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 October 2019 15:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 9 15:00:51 2019 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_october_2019' 15:01 ashimema #topic Introductions 15:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 15:01 ashimema Sorry for the delay all.. the git repo is happy again at least :) 15:01 reiveune bye 15:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio 15:03 ashimema Quiet today 15:04 khall #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions 15:04 ashimema well.. people will join us when they're ready.. so lets move on to busines 15:04 ashimema #topic Announcements 15:04 bag tcohen and khall I had the same thing yesterday 15:04 corilynn #info Cori Lynn Arnold, DGI (lurking) 15:04 bag never found a fix (still reading through the scrollback) 15:04 bag ahh meeting time (sorry) 15:04 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 15:04 ashimema haha, no worries baf 15:05 ashimema bag, even 15:05 bag baf - lol 15:05 ashimema I fixed git btw.. so you shoudn't have that issue any more 15:05 bag oh sweet :) 15:05 ashimema #info Freeze dates email will be going out tonight, provisional dates are already in the calendar 15:06 ashimema #link https://koha-community.org/calendar/ Calendar 15:06 oleonard Got the link to today's agenda handy ashimema? 15:06 ashimema #info If you noticed an issue with the git repositories over the last 24 hours, please be aware the issue should now be resolved. 15:06 ashimema #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_9_October_2019 Agenda 15:07 ashimema oops.. I always forget to do that :S 15:07 ashimema it's a very sparse one.. I looked back at the past coupe of agenda's and couldn't see anything that really needed bringing forward.. but please add anything if you want to 15:08 thd There is an issue which tcohen would like us to resolve but is he absent again? 15:08 ashimema anyone else have any anouncements they'd like to minute? 15:08 thd He was here at the original meeting time. 15:09 ashimema I've poked him in slack, with any luck he'll magically appear 15:09 ashimema but for now 15:10 ashimema #info Update from the Release manager 15:10 ashimema #info The release is starting to take shape and provisional dates are now set 15:10 ashimema #info Feature slush is scheduled for the 30th November - Thats three weeks today 15:11 ashimema #info Feature freeze is scheduled for the 6th November - One week later 15:11 ashimema #info String freeze is scheduled for the 13th November - One week later again 15:11 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France 15:12 ashimema #info Release all being well will be the 27th November - Giving two weeks for translations. 15:13 ashimema It's been a slow cycle, I did some statistics at the Hackfest and we've pushed less than half the bugs compared to the last three releases. 15:13 ashimema I'm hopeing it's a blip and we'll be back up to speed for the 20.05 cycle. 15:14 ashimema Having asked around I believe all the big contributors have simply been run off their feet with deployments and customers this cycle. 15:14 ashimema Jonathan D being away has also not helped on the numbers front. 15:15 ashimema #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 15:15 ashimema fridolin: Over to you.. 15:15 fridolin yop 15:15 fridolin 19.05.x is at v19.05.05 15:15 fridolin i think everything is fine 15:16 fridolin we prepare for a release before next cyrcle 15:16 fridolin maybe embed security fixes in it 15:17 bag joubu should be back soon :) 15:17 oleonard We have a lot of bugs which I think should be 'resolved fixed' but I'm not sure 15:17 ashimema #info 19.05.x is at 19.05.05 presently and is feeling reliable and stable 15:17 oleonard I think some cleanup needs to be done 15:18 ashimema #topic Updates from the QA team 15:18 ashimema #info Pace seems to have picked up the last week, keep it up :) 15:18 ashimema #topic General development discussion 15:19 ashimema #info oleonard notes that there is a large number of bugs that appear to need updating to 'RESOLVED FIXED' 15:19 ashimema #action ashimema will look into this prior to the next cycle starting 15:20 fridolin yep 15:20 ashimema #info We should have Joubu back for the next cycle, which should get the numbers back on track 15:20 fridolin its usually for Rmmait of oldoldstable 15:20 ashimema tcohen.. did you appear again yet? 15:21 * fridolin was wondering about versions in pottle 15:21 fridolin shoud we close versions < 18.05 ? 15:21 ashimema I believe there's a process in place which cait and rangi usually do to mark bugs as RESOLVED FIXED in bulk.. it relies on them disabling email notifications behind the scenes so we don't spam everyone. 15:21 * ashimema has a script to do the change, but won't run it for fear of spamming everyone on bugzilla 15:22 oleonard Speaking of rmaints, hi wizzyrea 15:22 ashimema #info Fridolin raises that pootle still contains a number of officially unsupported koha versions.. perhaps we should tidy up there too. 15:23 fridolin on 20.05 start 15:23 thd Go ahead and spam me. The whole multiverse does :) 15:23 fridolin ^^ 15:24 fridolin french translation group did a great job during hackfest but was not sure on which version to work 15:25 ashimema #info I'm contemplating a 'fail fast' attitude early next cycle.. still to be fleshed out and discussed.. but the initial thoughts are that I will push some more experimental bugs (on developer request and my own judgement) early in the release with the expectation of getting quick followups for any breakage. Idea being it helps alleviate some of the QA backlog of the most technical bugs where we don't have so many people capable of 15:25 ashimema understanding the code to qa it. 15:25 thd People should at least be satisfied in the knowledge that their work on translation will actually be used. 15:26 ashimema any other general discussion points from anyone? 15:27 ashimema ok.. moving on then 15:27 ashimema #topic Review of coding guidelines 15:27 wizzyrea kia ora 15:28 ashimema tcohen raises the question of whether we should start officially deprecating the /svc api namespace. 15:29 ashimema #info tcohen raises the question of whether we should start officially deprecating the /svc api namespace. 15:29 bag perhaps adding to that - who is using it? 15:29 ashimema generally I feel this is a direction we should be moving, but we need to be somewhat pragmatic about it.. 15:29 thd Is anyone known to currently use svc? 15:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #394: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/394/ 15:30 ashimema a few area's of the front end use it.. I think it's mostly used internally though a small number of things are more publically documented. 15:30 oleonard We have our hold slips set up to use svc/barcode 15:30 ashimema one example is the reports apis.. I believe catalyst customers use those reasonably frequently 15:31 ashimema I would certainly back a move to stop adding to/enhanceing existing /svc and block all new /svc 15:32 oleonard +1 15:32 ashimema one area I see needing attention would be the few datatables that use /svc for their ajax implimentation.. 15:32 ashimema our rest api's don't lend themselves to 'the datatables way'.. but I'm sure there are work arounds available to us 15:32 thd Deprecation should be a long process where there is any reasonable belief that there are users who have not converted to the replacement and the replacement should be certain to satisfy all the needs of existing users. 15:33 bag I think the oclc connexion client uses /svc 15:33 bag and maybe marcedit? 15:33 ashimema perhaps one to bring in for the next cycle with a new coding guideline and qa scripts to capture 15:34 ashimema good points bag.. I'd forgotten about marcedit support entirely 15:34 ashimema I (or tcohen) will draft something to vote on for the next meeting. 15:34 ashimema did anyone have anything else they wanted to raise? 15:35 oleonard Did we ever vote on my ESLint proposal? 15:36 thd Those present at least approved of ESLint in principle. 15:36 ashimema I think we all agreed to it.. 15:36 ashimema did I not minute that back when.. I bet I forgot 15:37 oleonard I dunno... I shall proceed as if I have approval :D 15:37 * oleonard loves cleanup patches 15:37 thd It is possible we did not vote without the presence of oleonard. 15:37 ashimema ah, perhaps. 15:38 ashimema I'm happy to proceed with it anyway.. another one to really push for in the next cycle :) 15:38 ashimema ok.. last topic then 15:38 ashimema #topic Set time of next meeting 15:39 * oleonard found a record of the vote... thank you for your support 15:40 * oleonard 's opponents were all in the pocket of Big JsHint 15:40 ashimema I'm thinking stick to the same two weeks.. that gives us a week before feature slush to discus anything important and start planning the next cycle (we should also have started talking about the next team by then after the next general meeting) 15:41 ashimema 23 OctoberSeptember 2019, 21:00 UTC 15:41 ashimema * 23 October 2019, 21:00 UTC 15:42 ashimema does that suit the majority.. lets NZ join again I believe 15:42 oleonard +1 15:43 thd +1 15:43 ashimema #info Next meeting: 23 October 2019, 21:00 UTC 15:43 ashimema brill 15:43 ashimema thanks all for your attendance, my appologies for the last minute delay to proceedings 15:43 ashimema #endmeeting 15:43 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 9 15:43:56 2019 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 15:43 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_9_october_2019.2019-10-09-15.00.html 15:43 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_9_october_2019.2019-10-09-15.00.txt 15:43 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_9_october_2019.2019-10-09-15.00.log.html 15:44 ashimema thd, whilst your here are you joining the docs meeting tomorrow and giving an update on the wiki? 15:44 thd That time will become less good after time changes. 15:44 ashimema be interested to hear how it's going but I'm happy to wait until then 15:45 thd Yes, but I could also tell you now too. 15:45 thd I have been updating the bug report. 15:45 thd https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23073 15:45 huginn Bug 23073: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmc, NEW , wiki.koha-community.org needs updating to a later version 15:47 ashimema brill 15:47 ashimema will read the bug report 15:47 caroline_catlady Is it normal that the AUTO_RENEWALS notice is only in updatedatabase.pl and not in the installer sql files? 15:48 ashimema erm 15:48 ashimema no 15:48 ashimema it should be in both 15:48 ashimema bug 15:48 ashimema bad rm ;P 15:48 caroline_catlady ok, I will create a bug report 15:48 caroline_catlady (don't worry, it was added in 16.12 :) ) 15:50 thd I should have another update probably today or tomorrow explaining exactly what seems best for MySQL column size alteration and also what needs a little data truncation where we only have four bytes of real data lost to accommodate smaller MySQL defaults. 15:51 thd Basically, conversion from Postgres to MySQL works without warnings or errors. However, I did a little to much at one sitting a few weeks ago in a sprint of work without sleep. 15:53 thd I noticed yesterday that I had earlier missed a data type when copying and pasting for a column which I had at least earlier I accommodated by simply increasing the size until all the data fit. 15:54 thd s/size/column size/ 15:55 ashimema :) 15:56 oleonard Ooo Bug 14620 looks fun 15:56 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14620 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Needs Signoff , Contact information validations 15:57 corilynn not 15:57 thd We have some real world info from a few columns that the MySQL Mediawiki default column sizes are a little too small in a few cases. No constraints on size for the same columns in Postgres aloud real world use to emerge along with a few accidents of pasting a wiki page into the comment field. 15:58 thd s/aloud/allowed/ 16:00 corilynn so... i'm having a ball with reports... anyone know how I can style marcxml like it is all over the place but in a report? 16:01 corilynn I'm looking at "Syntax-highlighted MARC XML" from https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Syntax-highlighted_MARC_XML 16:03 caroline_catlady corilynn: not sure if it will answer your question, but know that marcxml doesn't exist anymore. it's not metadata in the biblio_metadata table 16:04 corilynn yeah, sorry, metadata 16:04 caroline_catlady ok! 16:05 corilynn there's like 1.5 million places that we are displaying the metadata in koha, just wondered if anyone had ever hacked the reports to do it 16:13 thd corilynn: The reports return SQL data. Some marcxml data has been extracted in a more or less primitive matter to populate some SQL values. The MARC frameworks determine the simple manner in which SQL data is populated by MARC subfileds. 16:16 thd corilynn: Except for what has been already extracted from MARCXML and populated in SQL tables, there is no provision in reports for parsing MARCXML. 16:23 corilynn thd, I don't want to parse it, I want to make it look pretty 16:24 corilynn apply css to it 16:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #51: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/51/ 16:26 thd corilynn: You might be able to alter the CSS for the reports results page to some modest benefit from MARCXML. 16:28 thd corilynn: If CSS could call XSLT to parse MARCXML you would have a better prospect. XSLT is doing the heavy lifting for MARCXL when presented in the OPAC. 16:28 oleonard CSS cannot call XSLT 16:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #52: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/52/ 16:30 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 16:30 wahanui Congratulations! 16:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #50: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/50/ 16:33 oleonard tcohen: If you have any other advice about my koha-testing-docker problem I'd be very grateful 16:33 oleonard I'm at an absolute loss 16:33 thd corilynn: oleonard has answered negatively for CSS calling XSLT. JavaScript should be able to call XSLT. However, I suspect that using XSLT would be making your task too difficult. I suggest using the SQL columns populated by the Koha MARC frameworks. The data in the SQL columns was used to populate the OPAC in the past. 16:38 corilynn thd, I'm not sure I understand... 16:41 thd corilynn: There are SQL columns populated for title, author, etc. indexed by biblionumber which you should be able to access in a report. 16:42 corilynn thd, i think my user wants the marc view like in the advanced (cataloging) editor's search results 16:49 thd corilynn: If you really need more than what has been extracted from MARCXML to populate a few simple SQL fields in the database, then you would need to add some JavaScript to the report results page to parse MARCXML with XSLT or JavaScript directly, however, that would be a big programming task which may be more trouble than it is worth for the intended purpose in reports. 16:50 * cait waves 16:50 thd cait: Did you survive the dentist? 16:51 cait I did :) 16:52 cait nothing scary 16:53 thd Dentistry is a weak point for me because no amount of good dental care will make up for growing up in city which did not have fluoride in the water when I was growing up. 16:53 cait andreashm++ thx! 16:59 * oleonard gives up 18:42 ashimema Evenin' 18:52 davidnind[m] Does anyone know if the Task scheduler tool still works, or if it is used? I'm getting an error 'Failed to add scheduled task'. (https://koha-community.org/manual/19.05/en/html/tools.html#task-scheduler) 18:53 caroline_catlady davidnind[m]: I've never been able to make it work 18:53 davidnind[m] It's not just me then! 18:54 caroline_catlady Anyway, it doesn't meet the needs of my clients, which is periodical scheduling not just one off scheduling 18:54 davidnind[m] I assume cron jobs are used where libraries want regular reports generated and sent 18:55 caroline_catlady yeah that's what we use 18:55 caroline_catlady It's just that they can't do it themselves, they have to ask us 19:05 davidnind[m] There were some bugs about it, basically rewriting it - bug 1993 and bug 3935 19:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write 19:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Schedule tasks periodically 19:14 davidnind[m] So if something doesn't work (like Task scheduler) then should it be removed? (I guess I should file a bug) 19:48 caroline_catlady any multilingual users around? 19:48 cait yep 19:48 caroline_catlady oh hi! 19:49 caroline_catlady I just installed a 19.05 version a couple of weeks ago and I noticed that when I switch languages, it takes me back to the main page 19:49 caroline_catlady Before, I used to stay on the same page 19:49 caroline_catlady Does it do the same for you? 19:49 cait check your baseurls first 19:49 caroline_catlady ah good idea! 19:49 cait it certainly happens when the baseurls are not set right (sysprefs) 19:49 cait Joubu told me - had the same issue before 19:50 caroline_catlady I didn't have the http in my base urls 19:51 caroline_catlady works! cait++ 19:51 * caroline_catlady hugs cait 19:52 cait yay :) 19:52 cait Joubu++ 19:52 * cait hugs caroline_catlady 19:52 kathryn hello :) oh I arrived in time for a celebration! 19:52 cait just needed that after dealing with sad paperwork 19:53 cait kathryn: do you also want a hug? :) 19:53 kathryn yes please cait :) 19:53 * cait hugs kathryn :) 19:53 * caroline_catlady hugs kathryn 19:53 caroline_catlady group hug! 19:53 kathryn aww the love! 19:53 * kathryn hugs back! 19:53 cait heh :) 19:54 kathryn I hope we can catch up on long-lost hugs next year :) 19:56 cait I would like that :) 19:59 corilynn cait, you are the "Katrin Fischer" right? 20:00 cait yes? 20:00 * cait wonders if that is a bad thing 20:00 corilynn cool 20:00 corilynn I just wondered if there was a way to export the one I created, that's basically what I did for your suggestion 20:01 caroline_catlady THE Katrin Fischer 20:01 corilynn just so I don't have to go through the merge process again with the 70 that were added accidentally 20:01 corilynn i figured it was easier to go back and forth here than in bugzilla 20:01 cait sorry, missing context right now 20:01 corilynn but if I was chatting at the wrong person 20:01 cait probably me - it's a little late here 20:01 corilynn bug 23779 20:01 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Importing authority records should look for $1xx field matches 20:02 cait I haven't used the staged tools for authorities a lot 20:02 cait just some very basic testing 20:02 corilynn I mean, I would attach the one I just made, if ya'll knew how to do that 20:02 cait if the authorities are not used in records yet... could you just undo the import? then you can merge them with different rules 20:02 corilynn otherwise, whatevs 20:02 cait ah, matching rule? 20:03 corilynn I did the import sometime last week 20:03 corilynn among several other ones 20:03 cait hm depends on your setup, if there is still an undo button or not 20:03 cait did you overlay the records with later ones? 20:03 corilynn I already fixed it, just didn't want it to happen again 20:04 corilynn so I made a matching rule 20:04 cait sorry, it's probably me, not fully grapsing the question yet 20:04 corilynn Question: "Is there a way to export the rule I created to update the Bug with?" 20:04 corilynn to make it easier for the developer to come along? 20:04 cait ah 20:04 cait sadly not 20:05 corilynn kewl, moot point then 20:05 cait I think the best you can do is probably a screenshot 20:05 corilynn AH! the magic tool 20:05 cait but that woudl be helpful if you found a setting that worked well for you 20:05 cait if nothing else helps... screenshot it :) 20:05 corilynn indeed, rule #78 of development / human interactions 20:07 cait there is a bug report for koha not importing patrons with diacritics correctly in 19.05 20:07 cait caroline_catlady: do you happen to have done that recently? 20:07 caroline_catlady no, I'm just starting to use 19.05 20:08 caroline_catlady But I can try? 20:08 caroline_catlady which bug? 20:08 wahanui which bug is that please ? 20:08 cait bug 17359 20:08 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17359 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Patron import results use wrong encoding 20:10 caroline_catlady The first comment says that the patrons are correctly imported, it's just the display that is wrong 20:11 cait she later said the summary was right but the patrons were wrong 20:11 cait like it shows in the 3rd screenshot 20:11 cait it should be Müller 20:11 caroline_catlady oh ok, I'm trying right now I conveniently have a patron file 20:11 cait cool thx 20:11 cait my brain capacity is somewhat limited tonight - first day back at work today after Marseille... so many ticket 20:11 cait s 20:13 caroline_catlady Ok so summary doesn't display correctly 20:16 cait but patron record is ok in your test? 20:16 caroline_catlady not sure, I hadn't imported the correct branches/categorycodes 20:16 caroline_catlady still testing :) 20:17 cait hm i am looking at the uploaded file 20:17 cait when i open in libre office, the umlauts are borked wit utf-8 selected 20:21 cait i'd say her sample file on the bug is iso-8859-1 20:21 cait that can't work... 20:21 caroline_catlady mine is still importing and it's UTF8 20:23 cait oh big? 20:23 cait or just all good? 20:23 cait i tihnk their encoding on the file is messed up 20:24 caroline_catlady it's a file of an entire school... maybe should have trimmed it first, hehe 20:24 cait they are using notepad++... but of course that's only in windows... trying to see what the right option is named they need to use (i do it all the time, but of course can't remember when on this computer :) ) 20:25 cait will wait for your results tho 20:26 caroline_catlady I don't remember it being so long when I did it for real for that school.... Maybe because I am running bulkmarcimport at the same time.... >_< 20:27 cait heh 20:27 cait ambitious 20:28 cait thx for helping to test :) 20:28 caroline_catlady :( timed out... 20:28 caroline_catlady I will still go check some files 20:28 cait it probably still keeps loading in the background 20:28 caroline_catlady The patron file appears correctly 20:29 caroline_catlady So I won't have the summary for the import, but in the summary with errors, the encoding was funky 20:29 caroline_catlady But the patron file is fine 20:30 cait that's good to know 20:30 cait maybe you could comment that it works for you? 20:30 cait and then i commen ton the sample file... 20:30 caroline_catlady yup 20:30 cait i guess they got a bit frustrated with this 20:39 caroline_catlady I added an attachment with one line from my file (name changed), if you want to try it 20:39 cait i think it's really their file 20:39 cait i just want to help - she is from Gemrany 20:41 cait caroline_catlady++ 20:42 caroline_catlady I will try with her users copy-pasted in TextEditor 20:44 cait I really think the file is not quite right encoding wise 20:44 cait i compared to yours - yours opens in libreoffice, geany etc. as UTF-8, theirs doesn't 20:49 caroline_catlady I'm sure you're right. 20:49 caroline_catlady By copying their data in Text Editor, I was able to import it no problem 20:50 caroline_catlady https://snipboard.io/SUgwdy.jpg 20:50 caroline_catlady https://snipboard.io/Bb4396.jpg 20:50 caroline_catlady https://snipboard.io/mzMvxu.jpg 20:51 cait can you open theirs as utf-8 in libreoffice? (or similar) 20:52 caroline_catlady How do you download it? When I click on it, it opens in the browser 20:52 caroline_catlady oh I think I got it 20:53 cait i did a ctrl+s 20:53 caroline_catlady It opens fin if I choose Latin 3 (8859-1) 20:53 caroline_catlady *fine 20:54 cait yep 20:54 cait same for me 20:57 caroline_catlady It doesn't say anywhere that it has to be UTF8 though? 21:05 cait it has to be 21:06 cait I tink for languages without problematic characters this doesn't pop up as a problem 21:06 cait hm we should definitey add something about encoding 21:06 cait i thought we used to have this 21:06 cait looking at the patron tool start page 21:07 cait can't spot anything in the manual either 21:08 caroline_catlady Anke says she saw it in the documentation 21:12 cait hm 21:12 cait not spotting it in the manual either 21:12 cait probably should go to sleep 21:13 caroline_catlady can't see it either 21:13 caroline_catlady I'll add it, go to sleep :) 21:13 cait you are a hero :)