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20:46 caroline_catlady good weekend everyone!
18:56 cait re
18:41 cait ... laundry bbl
18:41 cait or we coudl update the bug title maybe
18:40 cait caroline_catlady: i tihnk if you them in a different bug, you#d have nicer visibility in the release notes
18:30 caroline_catlady I would put them in different patches, but in the same bug
18:30 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23353 major, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, ASSIGNED , ACQ framework makes fr-CA web installer explode
18:30 caroline_catlady For bug 23353, can I take the opportunity to update the default framework with new labels as per www.marc21.ca or should that be a different bug entirely?
17:08 ashimema To
17:07 cait are still school holidays?
17:06 cait i love fruity and salty :)
17:06 cait ashimema: top!
17:03 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23466 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , In some catalogs it does not show the "holding"
17:03 ashimema Pass on bug 23466
17:02 * ashimema is making apricot and prune chicken tagine... Mmm
16:56 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23466 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , In some catalogs it does not show the "holding"
16:56 cait can someone make sense of bug 23466?
16:55 cait i tihnk the first in 10 years - veggie
16:55 * cait is making lasagna
16:55 * cait sends oleonard cookies
15:57 KotH *g*
15:47 oleonard KotH: You grab it from them, we'll grab it from you ;)
15:42 KotH for reference, if anyone else ever needs japanese marc data: https://www.ndl.go.jp/form/en/service/api_application.html
15:41 KotH ashimema: thanks
15:41 ashimema (it sits on standard HTTP ports most of the time.. Z39.50 often doesn't)
15:41 ashimema SRU generally requires a tad less setup KotH
15:30 oleonard There used to be like... five.
15:30 oleonard When did we get so many templates in the OPAC
15:26 oleonard Yay, it's weekend cait!
15:17 KotH hmm.. I can apparently apply for Z39.50 or SRU as service... which one is better?
15:15 KotH YAY! there is an english form where one can apply to access the national diets library's marc data... which you can only find if you navigate through two pages of dense japanese legalese ^^'
15:08 wizzyrea oh boy now that, that's hard work
15:08 wizzyrea that's a technical reason
15:08 wizzyrea hehe yes
15:04 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14862 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQuery from 1.7 to 3.4.1 in OPAC
15:04 oleonard Bug 14862
15:03 oleonard Is "it's hard work" a technical reason?
15:00 ashimema none that I can think of
14:57 wizzyrea but there might be a technical reason not to do that?
14:57 caroline_catlady I like it
14:57 oleonard Makes sense to me
14:57 wizzyrea so at least everything has an effective item type
14:56 wizzyrea if it doesn't have one, we automatically use the default one
14:56 wizzyrea see that's why I think a default one that is always applied, user configurable, would be best
14:56 wizzyrea wine.wul.waseda.ac.jp port 210 might work?
14:54 caroline_catlady right, only when you batch import them
14:54 oleonard caroline_catlady: Unfortunately we don't have checks on imported records to prevent items from being imported without itype
14:54 ashimema the best we came up with so far was a nasty warning in the about page with all the other warnings so we can shame librarians into fixing their catalogues
14:54 wizzyrea that is a really good q KotH
14:53 KotH might anyone here know, where i could get MARC data to japanese books? I don't really want to create my own entries....
14:53 ashimema I agree
14:53 ashimema in general it does actually fallback from item level to bib level already.. but you are correct.. you can still have an empty bib level
14:53 caroline_catlady I feel like if you have item-level itemtypes syspref set, the item-level itemtype should be mandatory?
14:53 wizzyrea awesome
14:53 ashimema tcohen and I discussed it yesterday
14:52 wizzyrea of course it's not the most urgent bug but it's confidence eroding when people get internal server errors
14:52 caroline_catlady I like the capitalization :)
14:52 wizzyrea i feel like it's gone on long enough, we need to Do Something
14:52 wizzyrea ashimema, do you have any brilliant ideas about fixing that?
14:51 wizzyrea idk
14:51 wizzyrea if you don't have both
14:51 wizzyrea maybe fall back to the bib, and then back to a default?
14:51 wizzyrea but it can still happen.
14:51 wizzyrea it's definitely harder to mess that up
14:50 caroline_catlady yes, but at least in the default framework, the itemtype is mandatory (942$c)
14:50 wizzyrea harder to be blank, but it can still happen
14:49 caroline_catlady blou got tired of it so he changed it so that if the item has no itemtype, it takes the record's itemtype
14:49 wizzyrea it isn't a required field for items
14:49 wizzyrea it's super easy to get an item with no item type
14:49 wizzyrea that's another place
14:49 caroline_catlady We have tons of warning when running rebuild_zebra for some reason
14:49 wizzyrea with the option to set any others later in the interface
14:49 wizzyrea say, the one you create with the onboarder
14:48 oleonard This issue discriminates against Highlander patrons who have no expiration date
14:48 wizzyrea to have a default item type
14:48 wizzyrea would it make sense
14:48 wizzyrea i was thinking about how to solve this
14:48 wizzyrea (it also chokes on borrowers with no expiry, or holds with no expiry, but that's a different problem)
14:48 ashimema well.. not specifically the holds queue.. but a general.. wtf.. how can an item not have any effective_itemtype
14:47 wizzyrea the holds to pickup gives ISE when it has one
14:47 ashimema I've been grappling with that issue of late
14:47 ashimema hahahaha..
14:47 wizzyrea for example the hold queue spits them out as warnings
14:47 wizzyrea what do you all think about this problem of items that have no itemtype
14:47 wizzyrea bye cait
14:46 caroline_catlady bye!
14:46 cait bye all!
14:45 cait ok, leaving for the weekend
14:45 cait there shoudl be
14:45 oleonard (I don't think there is actually a sasquatch emoji)
14:45 cait :)
14:45 cait something to investigate another time
14:45 cait https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ThirdPartySmileyThemes
14:45 cait not sure which woudl be the right one
14:45 cait i use pidgin there is tons of themes
14:45 cait but i see it shoudl be a sasquatch
14:45 cait that prints as text
14:44 oleonard :sasquatch:
14:44 wizzyrea weeeird
14:44 wizzyrea :strawberry:
14:44 cait yours
14:44 wizzyrea or oleonard's horse
14:44 wizzyrea my horse?
14:44 wizzyrea hah
14:44 wizzyrea wot
14:44 cait i can see the horse
14:44 wizzyrea :horse:
14:44 wizzyrea hehe
14:43 oleonard ::invisible strawberry::
14:43 wizzyrea hexchat at least doesn't translate those
14:43 wizzyrea nope
14:43 cait you couldn't see the strawberry?
14:43 cait maybe iam jsu missing some now
14:43 cait i can see yous wizzyrea
14:43 wizzyrea hexchat shows them and you can paste them in
14:43 wizzyrea :(
14:43 wizzyrea no
14:42 cait :strawberry:?
14:42 cait hm no tworking yet
14:42 oleonard ðŸŽ
14:42 cait oleonard: can you emoji me please?
14:41 eythian It's a font thing, it should just work if you have a font with that character.
14:34 cait so i guess you will have to describe for me for now...
14:34 cait it's not where it was before windows 10... (new os since begining of the week)
14:33 cait pidgin could - but i can't find the folder where i'd have tput it
14:20 oleonard It should take precedence over all other tasks
14:18 cait oleonard: maybe i have to check configuration
14:18 oleonard Chatzilla doesn't have a tool for inserting them but at least I can paste them in and see them
14:18 cait :)
14:17 * caroline_catlady wonders if hexchat has an emoji support plugin
14:16 * oleonard buys cait emoji support in her IRC client for Christmas
14:02 cait :)
13:49 oleonard <thumbs-up.png>
13:48 cait i hope that's a nice square thing :)
13:47 oleonard ðŸ‘
13:45 cait thx oleonard++!
13:39 magnuse have fun #koha
13:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #355: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/355/
13:34 wahanui Congratulations!
13:34 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:30 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #331: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/331/
13:28 wahanui Congratulations!
13:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #846: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/846/
13:18 wahanui Congratulations!
13:18 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:07 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady
13:07 caroline_catlady good morning!
12:52 * ashimema conjecture
12:52 ashimema hmm.. I bet koha-gitify's last change was before koha-shell really got used widely.. bet it doesn't do much to change that at all
12:49 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23445: (RM follow-up) Missing filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e4f25e088305d9dd299bbfaa33b6140137c2f01>
12:48 magnuse not running through koha-shell, but setting KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB made the error go away
12:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #354: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/354/
12:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #845: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/845/
12:43 magnuse in both cases i run the script with ...PERL5LIB=/home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/ /usr/bin/perl...
12:43 magnuse oops, the script seems to run ok from the command line, but not from cron
12:42 magnuse 18.11.04 to be precise
12:41 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, magnuse.
12:41 magnuse but there is no DuplicateObject.pm in /home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/Koha/Exceptions/
12:41 magnuse /home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/Koha/Exceptions.pm does mention Koha::Exceptions::DuplicateObject
12:39 ashimema could be a backport error
12:39 ashimema 18.11.x.. you already said
12:39 wahanui i guess version is very stable and translation is great
12:39 ashimema version?
12:39 ashimema or.. we have a bug where that module is missing..
12:39 ashimema feels like PERL5LIB doesnt know where lib/Koha is
12:38 magnuse nope, a gitified production instance
12:37 oleonard Hush wahanui
12:37 wahanui devbox is probably working fine btw :)
12:37 cait devbox?
12:34 magnuse all i try to do is "use C4::Context;"
12:34 magnuse Can't locate Koha/Exceptions/DuplicateObject.pm
12:34 magnuse http://paste.koha-community.org/7281
12:34 magnuse trying to run a cronjob on a gitified 18.11.x i get this error:
12:22 eythian g'day oleopard
12:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #330: UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/330/
12:16 oleonard 👻
12:07 cait boo
12:07 ashimema Booo
12:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #844: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/844/
12:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #353: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/353/
11:46 magnuse kia ora oleonard
11:39 wahanui hi oleopard
11:39 cait hi oleonard!
11:38 oleonard Hi folks
11:33 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23324: Add an ISBN normalization routine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d15819443bd114a5e61a7a9ee947a3307d39b8f>
11:33 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23324: (QA follow-up) Use existing NormalizeISBN function <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5104d1eae67db94bebb05b2e9f1817685649b224>
11:33 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23324: (QA follow-up) Typo and remove unneeded use statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b48e2d5e7a41511dccadb01808e1ece259c5f0b9>
11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22799: Avoiding batch item modification case sensitivity when entering barcodes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2071fa4aca27f6748f32fd62037a203df2347141>
11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22830: correct for loop in value_builder/unimarc_field_4XX.pl value_builder <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=669864f4b0cb16fc9a8566bffdeb42d7875fd8aa>
11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23242: Fix insert of Z3950 servers with strict SQL modes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9c730244768ea355004e821d5be35dc2e617840>
11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23445: Make loan period unit translatable fixing editing issue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16789351efd1f7dca88ed0797208ba5723922b62>
11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23446: Fix display issue in serials navigation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5152dfcdf9ba63fd04d0dc15f34c851e5c85836>
11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23455: Patron card printing from Patron lists is broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a57aea15a7f86e71bdfb6d6540aed18b2702b226>
11:23 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23445: (RM follow-up) Add warning for unexpected lengthunit <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1aae63606caeb389a40bd644b1f9e30917325573>
09:35 marcelr zit niet zo te mokken met die mok
09:34 marcelr yeah thats yet another meaning
09:32 eythian met thee?
09:31 marcelr you know mokken, eythian ;)
09:30 ashimema thanks for the advice though.. always helpfull to know.. even if it's that everyone else is just in the same boat of pain
09:30 ashimema took me ages to mock everything I needed for he shibboleth tests
09:30 ashimema mocking is good but also the most tedious to impliment I find
09:29 ashimema yeah.. I think we've got a mix of all of those now
09:29 eythian that's probably the best one where you can
09:29 eythian Also mocking the database so it doesn't really exist.
09:29 ashimema mm. probably
09:29 eythian I've never seen a good solution. Common ways are that the test rolls back its changes as it goes (usually leaves detritus around when the test fails), or having a random element to the data for each test so that leaving bits behind doesn't matter (not always possible.)
09:29 marcelr iirc bit of a workaround ?
09:29 ashimema tcohen gave it a good go at some point I'm sure.
09:29 ashimema I thought we'd resolved most of the nested transactions stuff..
09:28 ashimema yup
09:28 marcelr yeah i was thinking about problems with nested transactions we have in some tests; but this is a selenium like approach
09:27 ashimema I've gone for a quick and dirty dump at beggining then reload at the end.. (we're on different connections for the integration tests of course so can't just use DB transactions)
09:26 ashimema or eythian for that matter.. any thoughts on the best way to make an integration test reset the DB to it's original state after the tests have run?
09:25 ashimema I'd be really interested if you have any better ideas
09:25 ashimema do you understand the DB rollback issue now marcelr?
09:21 eythian always
09:21 eythian heh
09:21 marcelr still working on regexes?
09:20 eythian no sea: <|-(((((-< (it's supposed to be a fish skeleton)
09:20 marcelr long time
09:20 eythian hoi marcelr
09:20 marcelr hi eythian
09:19 eythian hi
09:17 ashimema 'tis why we have qa ;)
09:17 marcelr maybe he just followed your advice
09:17 ashimema nobodies perfect though
09:17 ashimema :(
09:17 ashimema surprised Joubu also misread it
09:16 marcelr thx
09:16 * ashimema is running the tests again
09:16 ashimema That's why I didn't revert it.. I asked someone else to check I'd read it right ;)
09:14 marcelr it is a bit arbitrary if it could lift along as qa follow-up but reverting it on the base of wrong assumption is hard too :)
09:13 marcelr even small changes in uri etc
09:13 marcelr i remember testing these variations
09:12 ashimema poop.. yuo're right.. I missed that you'd assign uri at the beggining
09:11 * ashimema double checks he read the patch right
09:11 marcelr yeah we do
09:10 cait hm uris can be on item and record level - need to catch both
09:06 marcelr we are definitely not searching for just a biblionumber
09:06 marcelr we are searching for uri AND bibllionumber OR uri AND itemnumber
09:05 marcelr my $search_crit = { uri => $uri };
09:05 marcelr ashimema: i think you are wrong about tracklinks
09:03 marcelr heh
09:03 cait that makes you a little scary :)
09:03 marcelr i love them ;)
09:03 cait your skills with date/time calculations
09:03 marcelr date foo ?
09:02 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Option for extended loan with useDaysMode
09:02 cait marcelr: not sure how strong your date foo is.. but i've been eying bug 15260 and got very confused about it all
08:59 cait marcelr++
08:59 cait and thx for QA :)
08:59 marcelr :)
08:59 cait sorry for so many words
08:58 marcelr ok cait i wont block that
08:53 cait not sure i am best at explainign today
08:51 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23445 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Loan period unit in circulation rules is untranslatable causing problems one editing rules
08:51 cait marcelr: commented on bug 23445
08:48 ashimema ouch.. good spot on that last one
08:45 cait it's probably not as bad as it sounds, apart from the last ponit
08:45 ashimema huginn``
08:45 ashimema it was a reply to you're `trying to figure out how to go about testing bug 20307
08:45 cait waiting for Joubu now :)
08:45 cait oh
08:45 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20307 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Language overlay for authorized values
08:45 cait and I AM NOT SCARY
08:45 ashimema bug 20307 your testing
08:45 cait what was before that? :)
08:45 cait (10:37:52) ashimema: sounds scary cait.. I tested it as best I could.. seemed to work
08:44 wahanui rumour has it which one is that
08:44 ashimema huh.. which one what?
08:44 cait so it sounds like cait is scary again...
08:44 cait sorry, i might be missing the first bit of conversation
08:44 wahanui which one is, like, that
08:44 cait ashimema: which one?
08:43 ashimema Why of why is `DateTime->now()->delta_ms(DateTime->now()->add( hours => 4 ) = DateTime::Duration->new( hours => 3, minutes => 59, seconds => 15 );`!
08:38 ashimema always a place that scares me.. :(
08:38 * ashimema is currently trying to understand DateTime..
08:38 ashimema I think it's minimally intrusive as a whole
08:38 ashimema horrible as it sounds..
08:38 ashimema it's probably one to just do a few tests on.. and then throw it in and see if anytihng drops out over the next few months
08:37 ashimema sounds scary cait.. I tested it as best I could.. seemed to work
08:37 ashimema mornin' 'koha
05:59 cait but i guess just starting somewhere will be good for the half hour i have right now :)
05:59 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20307 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Language overlay for authorized values
05:59 cait trying to figure out how to go about testing bug 20307
05:45 cait hi marcel!
05:44 marcelr hi cait
05:28 marcelr hi #koha