Time Nick Message 22:57 huginn` mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 2 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Joubu> ho yes I remembered now, I wrote the stuff in TestBuilder.t, so checked it out when it was done, it's lost :) 22:57 mtompset @seen Joubu 22:56 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 22:22 rangi i probbaly got grumpy when someone changed it from current to last :) 22:22 cait :) 22:22 cait so you won't get grumpy at least 22:22 rangi yeah 22:22 rangi not something i added, that's all i know :) 22:21 cait I think last location seems confusing... just another term for 'current location' 22:21 rangi no idea 22:21 cait and it will only display if it's different from home library... 22:21 cait we have home library and then: last location 22:21 rangi nope 22:21 cait it seems odd 22:21 cait last 22:21 rangi lst? 22:20 cait do you rememer why we have a lst location column on opac-reserves? 22:20 cait it leaves a lot to setup 22:20 rangi the less useful they are 22:20 rangi the more we do things different to what we would expect users to do 22:19 cait the newer version of the misc4dev fixed the issue 22:19 rangi i think dev scripts make us lazy and prone to miss things 22:19 cait but i don't reset often, i build up my own data as long as i can 22:19 cait it really makes my life a ton easier 22:19 rangi i do things the way that users would 22:19 rangi yeah thats why i dont use it 22:19 cait with reset_all 22:19 cait the records always end up with the same numbers 22:18 rangi yeah rebuild doesnt work 22:18 cait because detai page doesn't work either, but result list does without coins active 22:18 cait it looks lk the data i snot there 22:18 rangi it sure looks like the index is wrong 22:18 cait maybe it will fix the issue 22:18 cait i just pulled latest changes to misc4dev 22:18 cait the reset_all already does that 22:17 rangi rebuild zebra? 22:16 cait turning of coins helps things... but then I have a 404 trying to access the detail page 22:15 cait anyone seen this? 22:15 cait I just did a reset_all... and have this error when searching for test in the OPAC: Can't call method "get_coins" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 689 20:38 * thd is off to fix a troublesome broken computer 20:37 thd :) 20:37 ashimema I have the power ;) 20:37 ashimema I'll fix it script side 20:34 thd Should you start a momentary corrective meeting for fixing the month? 20:34 cait ashimema++ 20:34 alexbuckley thanks all 20:34 alexbuckley ashimema++ thanks for chairing the meeting :) 20:33 hayley thanks everyone! 20:33 ashimema me brain is going to mush 20:33 davidnind ashimema++ 20:33 ashimema crap 20:33 ashimema July 20:33 thd Did you mean August not July? 20:33 ashimema thanks for hanging in there guys.. I realise it was a long one. 20:32 * ashimema goes to grab a beer 20:32 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_26_june_2019.2019-06-26-19.00.log.html 20:32 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_26_june_2019.2019-06-26-19.00.txt 20:32 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_26_june_2019.2019-06-26-19.00.html 20:32 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Jun 26 20:32:30 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 20:32 ashimema #endmeeting 20:32 ashimema done 20:32 ashimema #info Next meeting: 10 August 2019, 14:00:00 UTC 20:31 ashimema does 10th Aug, 14:00 UTC sound reasonable for everyone else 20:31 ashimema so.. 20:30 hayley we understand :) 20:30 thd I prefer the early morning meeting times when they happen because I have not needed to go out yet and I never have trouble going back to sleep if necessary. 20:29 ashimema sorry NZ.. I love you all really 20:29 cait I think it being outside work ours is an issue for quite a lot 20:29 ashimema so.. 20:29 ashimema lets stick to afternoon EU for the next one.. i'd like to catch biblibre for the HEA and Mana points 20:29 cait well...10 30 now and my laundry is waiting :) 20:29 ashimema that certainly seems like the golden hour if we want to try and include as many as possible 20:29 cait this is late for Europe too, 9pm 20:28 ashimema 8pm UK = 7am NZ = 4pm USA 20:28 cait yep that's the issue 20:28 ashimema 7am UK = 6PM NZ but 2AM USA 20:27 davidnind We don't won't anyone to be killed! :-D 20:27 cait it's always bad for some timezone, that should read 20:26 cait it always kills somoene 20:25 ashimema early morning kills the US doesn't it? 20:25 cait like we catch them now in the morning 20:25 cait to catch nz in the evening 20:25 cait for euorpe 20:25 wizzyrea (but I totally know that it sucks for nzers) 20:25 cait maybe more an early morning one 20:25 ashimema so next one will likely be terrible for you guys.. but then after that a much better one again 20:25 cait hm not sure if later works 20:25 alexbuckley thanks ashimema! 20:25 ashimema :) 20:25 ashimema I'm hoping to stick to a rotation of two times.. with the second time being that bit later for the europeans than it has been last couple of cycles.. in the hopes of catching you guys in NZ 20:24 alexbuckley :) 20:24 cait heh wahanui 20:24 hayley Alrighty :) 20:24 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot time 20:24 wizzyrea forget the time 20:24 wahanui the time is, like, har dto find,... but i put in cait's todo - just tons in there already 20:24 wizzyrea the time 20:24 wizzyrea it rotates around the world :) 20:24 ashimema General meeting that day in the evening for us eu's 20:24 hayley Today's meeting time suits better for us NZers, we'd love to keep attending but it's hard if it's super early morning 20:24 ashimema so that's the 10th right.. 20:23 cait sounds good to me (being in Europe) 20:22 ashimema does that suit most.. 20:22 ashimema two weeks time, back to EU afternoon? 20:22 ashimema Right.. that all important last one. 20:21 ashimema #topic Set time of next meeting 20:21 ashimema #info We will postpone the review of the coding guidelines untill the next meetng when those invovled should be present. 20:21 ashimema #topc Review of coding guidelines 20:21 ashimema #info remainder of General topic for discussion will be posponed to the next meeting 20:20 ashimema Right.. 20:20 cait maybe postpone that too? 20:20 ashimema SQL12 was for tcohen in the coding guidlines 20:20 thd I am happy for either choice. 20:20 ashimema I don't think the other two are painful 20:19 * amoyano has to go, and says goodbye to everyone 20:19 tcohen I'm leaving now, sorry! 20:19 ashimema Skip to review of coding guidlines I reckon 20:19 cait is there something peopl eneed an urgent decision on in the list still? 20:19 * ashimema is happy to postpone the next ones for next meeting if people are struggling 20:19 cait i tihnk having jajm for the mojo one could be nice 20:18 ashimema how are people doing.. shall we knock off any more or are we running out of steam 20:18 ashimema #link https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/plugins/koha-plugin-pay-via-paypal/-/releases PayPal Plugin 20:17 * cait hands ashimema some gin with arugula 20:17 amoyano there is a release available at https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/plugins/koha-plugin-pay-via-paypal/-/releases for anyone who cares to try 20:17 * ashimema shivers as he realises he just used a brexit term 20:17 ashimema I'd say we can aim for 19.11 but keep 20.05 as a backstop 20:17 cait tcohen: if you could use existing translations to populate the plugin ones that would be awesome 20:16 ashimema #info We need to work on further plugin guidlines and infrestucture (a plugin store for example) to build a path ahead for this. 20:16 tcohen we can fix that with a script 20:16 ashimema #info We should look at deprecating the core PayPal code some time during the next couple of cycles 20:16 cait and then have it removed in 20.05 20:16 cait having the plugin as option 20:16 tcohen cait: it only lacks all currently supported languages 20:16 cait I think we could deprecate the core code with 19.11 20:15 ashimema #info Theke (amoyano in particular) have build a Paypal online payments plugin 20:15 ashimema shall we jump on again 20:15 cait so what is the proposed timeline? to get discussion back on track :) 20:15 cait :) 20:14 ashimema but that's another story ;) 20:14 * ashimema has plans for said project.. I'm building an RFC at the moment and then will start coding and then look for additional volunteers 20:14 ashimema agreed cait 20:14 cait it could be a requirement for acceptance into the store... or at least a searchable criteria 20:13 amoyano including gitlab-ci 20:13 amoyano that's what we've been trying to do 20:13 ashimema and.. with a plugins store we could highlight 'better' and 'worse' supported plugins which would include how well maintained the translations are. 20:13 ashimema I think plugins authors need to be responsible for their translatability and translations.. but we need to advocate some best practices 20:13 cait amoyano++ :) I was long waiting for this 20:13 tcohen it uses getlanguage 20:12 amoyano yes, that's the default language 20:12 cait is there a fallbadk to english if an entry would be missing? 20:11 tcohen https://github.com/ebsco/edsapi-koha-plugin/tree/master/Koha/Plugin/EDS/bootstrap/includes/lang 20:11 ashimema what is the eds approach? 20:11 amoyano placing translatable strings in .inc files 20:11 amoyano we use the eds approach 20:11 cait to explain, the paypal core code includes some strings that would be not translatable with our current approach to plugins 20:11 alexbuckley ashimema++ 20:11 thd What is the translatability solution? 20:10 josef_moravec ashimema++ 20:10 * ashimema really wants to work on a 'plugin store' at some point soon 20:10 cait I have talked to tochen about it - one regression would be translatability, but I tihnk you have been working on a solution? 20:09 ashimema brill 20:09 ashimema and we can work on a plan to transisition out the core support over a couple of cycles and help people move to using the plugin as an alternative? 20:09 amoyano yes, that's right 20:09 ashimema so.. this can run alongside the existing in core paypal if I understand it correctly (for now) 20:09 amoyano but it would be nice to deprecate the code in next releases 20:08 amoyano now, plugin and logic within koha can cohexist 20:08 tcohen amoyano++ 20:08 ashimema amoyano++ 20:08 tcohen #link https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/plugins/koha-plugin-pay-via-paypal 20:08 amoyano I made a plugin that implements paypal logic 20:08 * ashimema adds joesf_moravec to his list of interested Mana parties and will approach him tomorrow with idea's regarding how to bring it inline with our SO/QA process 20:07 amoyano Sorry 20:07 * cait waves at amoyano 20:06 tcohen amoyano's 20:06 ashimema tcohen.. another of yours.. 20:06 josef_moravec I think the standard SO/QA proccess would be great for side projects too... 20:06 ashimema #topic Moving PayPal payments into a plugin 20:06 ashimema agreed.. but I think it needs to start with the original authors to help get more people onboard with it. 20:05 ashimema #info Mana (and HEA) discussion shelved untill next meeting. 20:05 cait I'd love ot see this not limited to people from the company hosting, but like other services to include other people as well 20:05 ashimema I'll bring this one back up as required next meeting no doubt 20:05 ashimema as the most involved there aren't here right now.. I'm going to suggest we move on as we're already an hour in. 20:04 cait right now we haven't even documented who runs the server that we ship by defalut and who can be approached 20:04 cait I have no idea how to handle it well, but I think a first step would be to flesh out the wiki for Mana (and Hea): https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 20:04 cait basically I think next time we need to have this discussion before integration :) 20:03 ashimema open to the floor.. basically.. I need help understanding how to move things forward there 20:03 ashimema but how do we envisage actually testing any code that's submitted for that project? 20:03 ashimema We have had bugs recorded in both gitlab and bugzilla.. I've now disabled the gitlab issue tracking and added a link to bugzilla instead (so we're at least only tracking in one place now) 20:02 ashimema no alex_a here :( 20:02 ashimema We've got a whoe series of bugs open on it, but no clear flow for SO/QA/Pushing/Deploying 20:02 cait someone from Biblibre around? 20:01 ashimema we're not at all clear yet on how we intend on maintaining the mana-kb server project. 20:01 ashimema So... this one was me 20:01 ashimema #topic What are the workflows with regards maintaining the mana-kb serverside project 20:00 davidnind +1 20:00 ashimema moving on 20:00 ashimema #info ashimema will write a summary of the above conversation and submit it to the bug.. 20:00 cait or an agreed maybe 20:00 tcohen +1 20:00 wahanui info is largely out there.. just not especially well summarised 20:00 cait info? 19:59 wizzyrea yep 19:59 ashimema Feels like we've reached somewhat of a concensus.. I'll write up a summary of this conversation on the bug and we can discus further next meeting if needed? 19:58 tcohen NOOP 19:58 ashimema agreed 19:58 cait and if we turnout to need something very specific, we create the 'fork' 19:58 ashimema we just need a solid process to ensure we stay up to date with upstream.. so the gitlab-ci type stuff perhaps fits there still 19:57 wizzyrea ++ to that 19:57 cait so get your chances into the project... file a bug with koha to updated packaged? 19:57 ashimema whilst the project is active that should work fine 19:57 thd If we do not need our own copy ahead then there will be no need to take the trouble to create such. 19:57 ashimema feels like we just need to commit to staying up to date with upstream and then people submit back to that project rather than us directly 19:57 oleonard We've got a lot to get through... can we table this for now? 19:56 ashimema I'm still seriously wondering about even needing to have our own copy that's ahead 19:55 ashimema indeed 19:55 wizzyrea without a lot of bureaucracy from our side 19:55 thd Seeing no objection it should be possible to do something without a vote on some occasions if it does not deprecate or break some previous process as with the previous question where deprecating Jessie might interfere with someone's plan's as it is still today the long term stable distribution. 19:54 wizzyrea on the other -- the person submitting the patch to that other upstream should feel confident enough in their work to submit it there as well? 19:54 wizzyrea on the one hand you don't want people to waste their time 19:54 ashimema food for thought 19:54 ashimema I feel like it could warrant it's own mini maintainer each cycle.. a topic expert with a bit of extra power whose responsability it is to make sure our contributions to that project are sound 19:53 cait these are goo dquestions, we need to nail processes down for some of our side projects as well that are hosted on gitlab 19:53 ashimema forward mirror is it then.. we just need to work out the details between us... 19:53 tcohen I'd postpone this until we really need a custom layout 19:52 ashimema before being submitted upstream? 19:52 ashimema should such layouts go through our own SO/QA process etc? 19:52 ashimema whose going to front such a project.. how do we go about maintaining it? 19:52 wizzyrea like 99% nope 19:51 wizzyrea i'm really not in favor of using CDN's 19:51 ashimema also.. as good as CDN coverage is.. we support koha everywhere and coverage is not always 100% (I'm looking at you, local small library not connected to the internet) 19:51 cait so should we vote or just do it? 19:51 tcohen oleonard: I'll send amoyano in your direction he 19:51 cait yep my point too 19:50 ashimema and I take onboard Nemo_bis's point about not wanting to send people IP's to CDN's 19:50 tcohen or czech 19:50 oleonard tcohen: I've been starting to look at how that would work, so we should talk about it 19:50 josef_moravec it seems reasonable to me 19:50 tcohen we don't need this to move this dev, as it is fully functional and all, but once maori is accepted upstream, we would like a clear maintenance path 19:50 ashimema so that makes sense to me 19:50 tcohen ashimema: exactly 19:50 tcohen oleonard: that'd be ideal 19:49 ashimema so less of a fork more of a mirror that may be marginally ahead of the origin whilst things get submitted upstream 19:49 Nemo_bis it's a pain to override hardcoded CDN URLs when you don't want to send all your users' IP addresses to some CDN server 19:49 oleonard This could be a trial for using npm to install JS assets for Koha 19:49 thd Mirroring their repo and adding a Koha branch if we need to be ahead of their release cycle seems prudent and modest non-forking choice. 19:49 cait makes sense to me now 19:48 tcohen with a gitlab-ci script to auto-generate the file that needs to be included in Koha 19:48 ashimema I've never been a huge fan of our bundling.. it would be nice to be able to lean on CDN's for delivery of such resources 19:48 tcohen and if required, maybe have our own branch 19:47 tcohen the idea was to have a mirror of their repo in the gitlab/koha-community place 19:47 wizzyrea that isn't something we think the upstream would take straight away? 19:47 ashimema #info it's Mottie Keyboard and not Simple Keyboard Project 19:47 tcohen and maybe have our own layouts 19:47 cait so maybe not quite a fork... but having it 'forked' in our repo to speed up changes in Koha while waiting for it to be accepted? 19:47 tcohen what we wanted was a way to keep things up to date 19:46 cait josef_moravec++ :) 19:46 josef_moravec it is nice thing to have ;) 19:46 tcohen but it is not something we really need to do now 19:46 tcohen that we thought at some point it would be a nice thing to have 19:45 tcohen of another system's 'symbols shortcut' 19:45 tcohen the customer that asked for this dev showed us some screenshots 19:45 josef_moravec they are active, I added Czech language support recently: https://github.com/Mottie/Keyboard/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed 19:45 tcohen but 19:45 tcohen just send the layout and follow the steps to update our copy 19:44 tcohen that belongs to upstream, we don't need to fork it 19:44 tcohen we have a request from Irma to add maori 19:44 wizzyrea I feel like we should just contribute to their upstream, assuming they are active enough? 19:44 tcohen we don't really need to fork them now 19:44 tcohen - allow community users to propose custom layouts that could be of use 19:44 tcohen - keep it up to date 19:43 * ashimema listens intently :) 19:43 tcohen we thought it would be nice to have a clear path to 19:43 * ashimema is coming to this one cold.. 19:43 tcohen on adding this keyboard (JS lib) 19:43 tcohen we (Koha) use other external projects (like some jquery libs) and usually just bundle the minified version in our codebase 19:42 tcohen let me explain a bit 19:42 tcohen I think this went the wrong way 19:42 cait do we already have a demand for new layouts/is the project not open for those? 19:42 ashimema #info We will need to work on a process for keeping our fork up to date with upstream whilst maintaining our fork. 19:42 cait I am not sure I understood yet why the fork is needed 19:42 amoyano actually it's Mottie Keyboard proyect 19:41 ashimema #info This is a proposal to maintain our own fork of the 'simple keyboard project' to allow community members to contribute new keyboard layouts. 19:41 tcohen This needs a better wording hehe 19:41 ashimema #topic Proposal to fork 'simple keyboard project' 19:40 ashimema next up 19:40 ashimema #agree We will deprecate our support for Debian 8 and Ubuntu 16.08 in the packages.. announcement from Mirko to follow 19:39 huginn` Yes (12): davidnind, cait, josef_moravec, oleonard, ashimema, andreashm, wizzyrea, tcohen, alexbuckley, thd, amoyano, hayley 19:39 huginn` Voted on "Can we deprecate support for Debian 8 (Jessie) and Ubuntu 16.04 in the packages?" Results are 19:39 ashimema #endvote 19:39 ashimema 1 19:39 ashimema 2 19:39 ashimema 3 19:39 ashimema think that's pretty much everyone here 19:38 * tcohen shouts cait is cheating 19:38 ashimema that's pretty overwhelming :) 19:38 davidnind #vote yes 19:38 cait not sure if case-sensitive 19:38 wizzyrea #vote Yes 19:38 cait #vote Yes 19:38 cait #vote yes 19:38 hayley #vote Yes 19:38 alexbuckley #vote Yes 19:38 amoyano #vote Yes 19:38 andreashm #vote Yes 19:37 oleonard #vote Yes 19:37 josef_moravec #vote Yes 19:37 ashimema #vote Yes 19:37 thd #vote Yes 19:37 tcohen #vote Yes 19:37 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:37 huginn` Begin voting on: Can we deprecate support for Debian 8 (Jessie) and Ubuntu 16.04 in the packages? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 19:37 ashimema #startvote Can we deprecate support for Debian 8 (Jessie) and Ubuntu 16.04 in the packages? Yes, No 19:37 oleonard "Should we do this thing?" Yes/No 19:36 cait that's always the hard part :) 19:36 * ashimema comes up with how to phrase the vote 19:35 ashimema so existing installations tracking the repositories should be fine as they should already have any required dependancies installed 19:35 thd We should probably vote in any case unless we have a standing policy. 19:35 ashimema from what drojf was saying I believe it will only affect 'new installs' 19:34 tcohen I trust him as well 19:34 tcohen cait: we need drojf, but I'm sure 19.05 is involved 19:34 cait I trust Mirko there 19:34 ashimema So.. do we need to vote on this or do we feel it's nessesary to the extent that we just need to do it. 19:33 cait or also for the maintenance releases 19:33 cait so that would be for 19.11 right? 19:32 tcohen there's a problem in packages names that prevents a solution that fits all 19:32 ashimema and.. we have some packaging issues that nessesitate we drop support 19:32 tcohen things won't be installed automatically, but they can cpanm them 19:32 ashimema Jessie is in maintanence mode already, and that's due to come to an end in a couple of months I believe 19:32 cait fixed 19:32 tcohen people using jessie and 16.04 can still install Koha 19:31 ashimema So, yes.. 19:31 tcohen if we want the REST API Oauth2 to work out of the box, we need this 19:31 ashimema thanks, that's the one 19:31 tcohen and 16.04 is based on jessie 19:31 cait fixing wiki 19:31 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23128 major, P5 - low, ---, mirko, In Discussion , Missing Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer dependency 19:31 cait bug 23128 19:30 cait we'll find it 19:30 tcohen Jessie has entered maintenance (security) only, no new stuffs, that's what I understood 19:30 ashimema grr.. the bug linked on the agenda isn't the right one 19:29 ashimema tcohen you may be better at explaining the reasoning for this proposal than me 19:29 ashimema #topic Deprecate package support for Debian 8 and Ubuntu 16.04 19:29 ashimema so.. 19:29 ashimema I agree.. but I hadn't got anything ready to propose for this one ;) 19:28 ashimema agree.. wuold love to see such a proposal on the next meeting :) 19:28 ashimema so.. moving on 19:28 cait could be 19:28 cait I think less could we more there 19:28 ashimema we already voted to say yes.. this is just a friendly reminder about it as time has passed and that I'm going to pin it down and get it done ;) 19:28 cait and I'd like to propose removal of some fields from the bugzilla form for next meeting 19:27 cait once you do it, can you ping me? I'd try and update the wiki 19:27 ashimema I think so, yes 19:27 cait so we are going to do it, right? 19:27 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 19:27 ashimema next topic 19:26 cait ok :) 19:26 ashimema I want to touch base with rangi on that one cait :) 19:26 ashimema probably not much more to discuss there unless anyone has any issues they'd like to point out. 19:26 cait only question i have is if we need to resolve existing bugs having status to be deleted (but not sur e they exist) 19:25 ashimema i.e stable, oldstable and oldoldstable. 19:25 ashimema I basically propose a bit of a tidy up of some of our no longer used status's and to get the 'Pushed to..' status's to match our debian releases 19:24 ashimema So.. I think we've actually voted on these bugzilla status proposals before.. but we've not managed to impliment the changes yet 19:24 cait me too :) 19:24 ashimema #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_26_June_2019 Agenda 19:24 * ashimema realises now her forgot to link the agenda 19:23 ashimema #topic Bugzilla status proposals 19:23 ashimema we have a point points today 19:23 ashimema #topic General development discussion 19:23 ashimema :) 19:22 cait nothing more from me 19:22 cait #info additional testing/sign-offs on some of the long sitting patches in QA queue would be great to get more confidence in passing them along 19:22 ashimema Thanks cait 19:21 cait #info Currently we face 1 blocker, 3 criticals and 21 majors, patch writers, testers and QA people needed 19:21 ashimema indeed.. we need eyes on those 19:20 cait worried about the number of bad (blocker, critical and major) bugs we see right now 19:20 amoyano #info Agustin Moyano, Theke Solutions 19:20 cait we have some big projects going on and some quite big patches waiting 19:20 tcohen [off] sorry for the delay! 19:20 cait help from topic experts much appreciated 19:20 * ashimema thinks caits still doing a great job on the weekly emails and keeping things moving along 19:20 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 19:20 cait some 'problem' areas are SIP2, Elastic and REST API 19:19 cait #info QA queue is currently at around 50 19:19 tcohen hi 19:19 cait I've been out of the loop a bit in recent weeks because of personal matters, hope things will improve now 19:19 cait yes 19:18 wahanui hmmm... qa is unhappy about that, please fix 19:18 ashimema qa? 19:18 ashimema #topic Update from the QA team 19:18 ashimema moving on again 19:18 ashimema #info 19.05.01 scheduled for release tomorrow 19:18 ashimema with the other following in behind 19:18 ashimema Well, having touched base with fridolin this morning I believe their aiming for 19.05.01 release tomorrow 19:16 ashimema could be quiet, none of them appear to be here... 19:16 ashimema #topic Update from the Release Maintainers 19:16 ashimema moving on then 19:16 wahanui probably is too hard. 19:16 oleonard probably 19:16 wahanui rmaints is probably fridolin, lucas and wizzyrea 19:16 ashimema rmaints? 19:15 ashimema that's my piece.. any questions for the RM? 19:15 ashimema I've been trying to touch base with various parties who I know have things in the pipeline so I can help spread out SO/QA resources so let me know if you have anything like that (beware though.. throwing bugs at me to ask for SO/QA's on means I'll likely throw a few back for SO/QA from others) :) 19:13 ashimema I intend to continue with small enhancements, nothing earth shattering for a couple more weeks whilst 19.05.x is still bedding in, but then I hope to have a more adventurous window of a couple of months for the bigger new features and enhancements. 19:12 ashimema #info We've started pushing small enhancements now, having been concentrating mostly on bugs for the last month. 19:12 ashimema #topic Update from the Release Manager 19:11 cait #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2018-November/044964.html Marselle Hackfest dates 19:11 oleonard Oh no wonder I didn't remember :D 19:11 ashimema moving on... 19:11 ashimema a while back yeah.. but it's nice to keep it in the forefront of peoples minds ;) 19:11 cait taking a little longer to find the non-nabble link 19:11 cait [off] http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Hackfest-in-Marseille-in-2019-td6003139.html 19:11 ashimema #info Next Hackfest in the diary is Marseille, 30th Sept - 4th Oct 2019 19:10 cait sec i can find the email link too 19:10 oleonard Oh yeah it's on the calendar. Was there an official announcement? 19:10 cait ashimema: ^:) 19:09 cait sept 30th - oct 4th. 19:09 * ashimema is just looking up the marseille hackfest dates to take the oportunity to advertise it 19:08 cait move on? 19:08 * ashimema thought we might be maintanence releaseing today, but I think it's tomorrow now. 19:07 cait any events maybe? 19:07 ashimema anyone else got any anouncements? 19:07 cait :) 19:07 ashimema #action ashimema to get vertical alignment of like for like columns working on the dashboard again 19:06 * cait tries harder to make sense 19:06 ashimema ooh.. now I see what you mean 19:06 cait are no longer in one column 19:06 cait without the typos obviously 19:06 ashimema they look alligned to me.. but perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean 19:06 cait signoffs june and signofs 2019 19:06 ashimema erm.. in what sense cait? 19:06 cait sorry :) 19:05 cait the signoffs and passed qas etc. 19:05 ashimema RM's can make GROUP BY mistakes too :P 19:05 cait could we put it last so the columns align? 19:04 cait nice :) 19:04 ashimema yeah.. I've got a patch waiting.. just need to catch rangi to get it deployed 19:04 cait Tomas, me and Martin righ tnow 19:04 cait names are doubled up there still :) 19:04 cait it's great, but i tihnk it needs a little fixing 19:04 ashimema #link https://dashboard.koha-community.org Dashboard 19:04 cait ah 19:04 ashimema #info We have a new leaderboard on the dashboard - 'Rescues', let's gamify getting bugs out of Failed QA/Patch doesn't apply :) 19:03 ashimema #topic Announcements 19:03 davidnind #info David Nind 19:02 hayley haha, true 19:02 alexbuckley heh 19:02 cait opinions on that being a decent hour may vary :) 19:02 hayley That's right! It's a decent hour :) 19:02 alexbuckley yes 7am is much better :) 19:02 cait 7 am if i am not imstaken 19:01 ashimema Nice to have some representation from NZ :).. hope this time is a bit better for you guys :)? 19:01 hayley #info Hayley Mapley Catalyst IT Wellington NZ 19:01 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Czech Republic 19:01 ashimema as much as I was enjoying the cocktail chatter ;) 19:01 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT Wellington NZ 19:01 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 19:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 19:00 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater 19:00 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 19:00 huginn` Current chairs: ashimema cait 19:00 ashimema #chair cait 19:00 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 19:00 ashimema #topic Introductions 19:00 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_june_2019' 19:00 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:00 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jun 26 19:00:17 2019 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00 ashimema #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019 19:00 caroline_catlady I was looking up what would be good with arugula... 19:00 cait https://www.thewineconnoisseurs.com.gr/project/spinach-pie-ouzo/ ? :) 18:59 oleonard Oh no I have neither a Bearss lime nor rustic Sylvetta arugula 18:58 cait you cheated... somehow :) 18:58 caroline_catlady cait: well, well, well, look at this! https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/21/t-magazine/cocktail-book-arugula-gin-drink-recipe.html 18:58 ashimema suppose I best wait 2 minutes to be nice :) 18:58 ashimema shall we get this show on the road then.. 18:57 wahanui morning is always someone's afternoon 18:57 hayley morning! 18:57 alexbuckley morning ashimema :) 18:57 cait morning hayley :) 18:57 ashimema evening all.. well.. morning alexbuckley 18:56 cait caroline_catlady: might conter with spinach and ouzo lol 18:56 alexbuckley hi hayley 18:56 caroline_catlady I'm tempted... 18:56 caroline_catlady hehe! 18:56 alexbuckley :) 18:56 andreashm =) 18:55 * cait dares caroline_catlady to make it and send a photo drinking it 18:55 cait heh 18:55 caroline_catlady arugula and gin? 18:55 andreashm hey 18:55 cait hi alexbuckley 18:55 alexbuckley hi everyone :) 18:54 cait just needs a fancy name then 18:54 cait dandelion is edible.... 18:53 caroline_catlady dandelion and rhum... 18:53 * andreashm settles for ice cream instead 18:52 cait you will probably not be allowed to call it a mojito then 18:52 andreashm if only there was rum around 18:52 * oleonard wonders if you can make mojitos from random weeds 18:52 cait no garden... *sigh* 18:51 * andreashm goes out into the garden to get mint. 18:51 cait you are mean oleonard 18:51 andreashm Aaaaaargh 18:51 cait heh 18:51 oleonard Oh no andreashm we *just* ran out!! 18:48 andreashm I HEARD THERE WAS MOJITOS! 18:47 * andreashm waves 18:44 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 18:44 huginn` oleonard: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 18:44 oleonard @drink get Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster 18:44 ashimema I reckon so 18:43 cait maybe we are missing the cocktail addon 18:42 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 18:42 huginn` cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 18:42 cait @caipirinha 18:27 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #107: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/107/ 18:27 wahanui Congratulations! 18:27 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #113: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/113/ 18:11 * ashimema may be mixing a mojito as he types 18:11 ashimema Lol 18:08 oleonard I'm sure it's just a question of syntax 18:08 huginn` oleonard: I've exhausted my database of quotes 18:08 oleonard @drink get mojito 17:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #112: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/112/ 17:47 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #113: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/113/ 17:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #106: UNSTABLE in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/106/ 17:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #112: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/112/ 17:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #111: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/111/ 17:02 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #111: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/111/ 16:56 ashimema oleonard++ #bugwrangling 16:47 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #105: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/105/ 16:44 bag heya cait 16:43 bag those are great points ashimema 16:30 ashimema caroline_catlady ^ 16:30 ashimema We also pride ourselves sometimes on helping people get their data out in creative ways if their previous system support people want to charge them a fortune to get their own data 16:29 ashimema We've got lots of experience of other systems in our midst so generally can offer a fair bit of help and find giving that help early prevents pain later on 16:28 ashimema Generally they have to try and get it out.. though we do fairly often help too ( 16:28 ashimema We do a mix here 16:04 reiveune bye 16:01 bag yeah I think we’ve had multiples of every system so far. the rarist for us is ISIS (just not many of those in the US Market) 16:00 cait bye all, cya later for hte meeting 15:59 cait bag, caroline_catlady. we've done that too, but just a much lower number o fmigrations for us - and not many double ups with ILS 15:59 bag Always praying that they have saved their notes ;). (usually we do ask them to keep their notes) 15:58 bag caroline_catlady: We will definitely give as much assistance as we can. Sometimes we connect current libraries with past libraries that have successfully extracted data from said database. 15:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #104: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/104/ 15:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #110: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/110/ 15:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #110: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/110/ 15:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #109: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/109/ 15:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #109: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/109/ 15:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #5: UNSTABLE in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/5/ 15:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #7: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/7/ 14:59 kidclamp I believe we also ask for the data and do not go fetch it for them 14:54 cait I think someone once argued that it might be a legal issue if they gave you access to the db, as the db schema is often kind of 'secret' 14:53 cait and they have to ask the current vendor to do it 14:53 cait if we happen to know how it works we would give them hints of course, butoften we don't 14:53 cait caroline_catlady: we ask for the data and they have to figure it out 14:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #4: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/4/ 14:40 oleonard caroline_catlady: I imagine that's something which is negotiated in the contract, with data extraction being an option 14:37 caroline_catlady I can't deal with the back and forth anymore, it's so draining -_- They don't know the software they've been using for years... 14:35 caroline_catlady *for them 14:34 caroline_catlady Do you ask them to give you the data, and they have to figure out how to extract it? Or do you offer to extract it from them? 14:34 caroline_catlady ppl who work for support companies, what do you ask of clients in terms of data extraction from their old software? 14:27 * oleonard seconds that yawn 14:21 * wizzyrea yawns 14:21 wizzyrea hi :) 13:27 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 13:02 calire looks nice 13:01 ashimema cool 13:01 oleonard In other worse the public channel is the most important facet of your organization's entire communications array 13:01 caroline_catlady I see that I can add several servers 12:59 caroline_catlady Right now our public channel is mostly used to send jokes and stuff like that amonst ourselves 12:58 caroline_catlady Our clients can reach us through that, but we don't advertise it, we prefer to they through the ticket platform 12:58 ashimema federation does tend to be hard 12:58 caroline_catlady ashimema: not sure... we do have "public" channels 12:57 ashimema I like that I have shared channels in slack to talk directly to Bywater and Interleaf for example 12:57 caroline_catlady I think the major point is that you can host it yourself 12:57 oleonard It looks pretty slick 12:57 ashimema can mattermosts talk to each other? 12:57 * ashimema would love to wean ptfs-e off slack 12:56 caroline_catlady , no slack for us 12:56 caroline_catlady We use it as our internal chat 12:54 * oleonard had not heard of Mattermost until now 12:51 ashimema lol 12:51 caroline_catlady We asked an intern to add IRC to our Mattermost, but I don't think he understood the task. I want MY IRC in MY Mattermost, not just "inlibro" 12:49 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady and inlibro, the digital personification of the company inlibro 12:47 caroline_catlady hello everyone! 11:57 ashimema calire.. what do you see as the next steps for recalls ? 11:57 ashimema it's quiet today 11:49 oleonard Okay I've read email now what 11:40 wahanui hi oleopard 11:40 calire hi oleonard 11:27 oleonard Hi #koha 09:05 vfernandes hi #koha 08:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #304: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/304/ 08:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #289: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/289/ 08:42 wahanui Congratulations! 08:42 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 08:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #792: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/792/ 08:32 wahanui Congratulations! 08:32 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 08:04 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23211: Prevent SIP/Transaction.t to fail randomly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=466f99e44230968aeb51598e50f65d212941c5b4> 07:35 liliputech_asu bonjour/3 06:56 alex_a bonjour 06:51 fridolin hi 06:38 reiveune hello 06:16 ashimema next on my hit list is fixing the new devs 06:15 ashimema :) 06:15 ashimema I wanted to gamify rescuing of patches that have got left dormant.. perhaps I should add in a diff on older dates.. but for now it's nice to just get people paying attention to fixing qa failures and brining patches back into being appliable. 06:14 ashimema a rescue is taking a bug from a status of "Failed QA" or "Patch doesn't apply" to a "better" status (at the moment moving it from those to anything counts).. 06:13 ashimema I added rescues.. maybe I got the query wrong subtly 06:12 ashimema mornin' #koha 06:12 ashimema mornin' cait 06:10 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 06:10 cait @later tell Joubu some names (mark and me) appear doubled up as Rescues - what is a rescue?