Time  Nick            Message
23:35 huginn`         mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 5 days, 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <tcohen> caroline_catlady, davidnind I have access to the YouTube channel, I created it. Let's talk about handing you control
23:35 mtompset        @seen tcohen
23:16 mtompset        (I think it was someone named Charles -- my memory is flakey sometimes :) )
23:15 mtompset        This kind of ties into the problem that Charles was likely having on the mailing list.
23:15 mtompset        Because the MariaDB that Ubuntu installs by default doesn't have that validate_password mechanism.
23:14 mtompset        This do NOT affect MariaDB, as far as I know.
23:14 mtompset        So, I think I have something which works posted as a patch on bug 23090. :)
23:13 mtompset        The problem is with sed calls and such, certain special characters break the koha-create script.
23:13 mtompset        Because it is lack a special character (you know like ,.$#@ etc. etc.)
23:12 mtompset        Even though, it is pretty good.
23:12 mtompset        So when koha-create tries to create a DB instance user, the 'pwgen -s' does not cut it.
23:12 mtompset        there's a whole bunch of validate_password variables including a validate_password_policy, which determines what characters must be in the password.
23:11 mtompset        tried installing Koha on Ubuntu Bionic, and hit a MySQL "improvement"
23:10 huginn`         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23090 blocker, P1 - high, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , MySQL validate_password plugin breaks koha-create
23:10 mtompset        Actually, wahanui I am trying to get a sign-off for bug 23090. :)
23:09 huginn`         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10589 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , Override OpacHiddenItems based on Patron Branch
23:09 wahanui         rumour has it mtompset is going to try to work on bug 10589
23:09 alexbuckley     hey mtompset
23:08 papa            hey, good morning!
23:08 mtompset        Greetings, inlibro papa
22:06 mtompset        Greetings, alexbuckley
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20:28 inlibro         arthur.bousquet: 🌵
20:26 inlibro         charles: # 🌵
20:25 ashimema        Time for sleep.. nighty night #koha
20:25 ashimema        Wha
20:17 inlibro         arthur.bousquet: blou added to the channel by arthur.bousquet
19:05 wizzyrea        I don't think we'd want to replace mysqldump, but I feel like we could make our scripts use mydumper, optionally.
19:04 wizzyrea        so if you only need to import one table, you can very easily do that from the dumps it makes.
19:04 wizzyrea        one of the A+ things is that you get separate files for tables
19:02 wizzyrea        it's in the stretch repositories
19:01 wizzyrea        and myloader, to load those dumps
19:01 wizzyrea        which could have benefits over mysqldump for large Koha sites
19:01 wizzyrea        I also just learned of a tool called mydumper
18:59 mtompset        I should test this with MariaDB...
18:59 huginn`         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23090 blocker, P1 - high, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , MySQL validate_password plugin breaks koha-create
18:59 mtompset        I put a patch up on bug 23090 now, khall :)
18:59 mtompset        Greetings ashimema
18:59 mtompset        Greetings, cait wizzyrea
18:58 mtompset        I thought it was like Ava Maria. ;)
18:58 cait            e
18:58 cait            the more german is the second, so i am probably used to this on
18:58 wizzyrea        this is about pronunciation
18:58 wizzyrea        :D
18:57 cait            no h
18:57 wizzyrea        I always say maria
18:57 wizzyrea        poll: is it mariah db, or maria db?
18:28 oleonard        Bye all
17:56 ashimema        Short is.. not yet but it's coming
17:56 ashimema        oleonard  see above
17:55 * ashimema      is in the parents queue waiting to pickup daughter 1 from martial arts class
17:55 wahanui         darn tootin' it is.
17:55 oleonard-away   Excellent
17:55 ashimema        I'm sure there were other little enhancements I had on my list but I can't remember what they were now
17:54 ashimema        It'll add buttons for 'rebuild css', 'rebuild dbic schema'
17:54 khall           awesome ashimema !
17:54 ashimema        There will be a pull request incoming for the docker sandboxes repo at some point khall
17:53 ashimema        I've not gotten around to adding buttons for all the koha-testing-docker improvements tchoen made yet
17:29 wizzyrea        yw
17:29 wizzyrea        <3
17:29 wizzyrea        hahaha
17:11 oleonard        ...which is "Thanks wizzyrea!" if my fingers are off by a key
17:11 oleonard        Yjsmld eoxxutrs@
17:10 wizzyrea        what that'll do is make a change to the .bashrc that is installed with every new vagrant up
17:08 wizzyrea        it's in kohadevbox/roles/kohadevbox/templates
17:06 oleonard        Oh no not my skeleton!
17:06 wizzyrea        or create one and install it, though I think it ships with one
17:06 wizzyrea        oleonard, yes there is you'd need to modify the skeleton files
16:59 cait            oleonard: sorry, don't know
16:58 cait            yes or no
16:58 cait            khall: does that mean yes or on for docker? (sorry, just problem parsing hte sentence)
16:56 oleonard        Anyone know if there is a way in kohadevbox to override the default .bashrc in a way which will persist through destruction/creation of boxes?
16:39 khall           oleonard not unless koha-testing-docker does
16:39 oleonard        khall: The sandboxes don't rebuild CSS?
16:38 huginn`         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23090 blocker, P1 - high, ---, mtompset, NEW , MySQL validate_password plugin breaks koha-create
16:37 mtompset        I created bug 23090
16:28 oleonard        Thanks khall
16:28 khall           and the branch name in the "name of branch" field
16:27 khall           oleonard you'd want to put https://gitlab.com/koha-dev/koha-dev.git in the repository url field
16:27 khall           mtompset is there a bug number?
16:27 mtompset        I have a patch idea too. :)
16:27 mtompset        I just need someone to run it and confirm it fails for them too.
16:27 mtompset        Anyone can run koha-create.
16:26 khall           mtompset I think you'd be better asking tcohen :)
16:26 oleonard        khall: Is the "repository url" the project URL? e.g. https://gitlab.com/koha-dev/koha-dev
16:26 khall           oleonard can you send me a link to the gitlab repo?
16:25 mtompset        Ah, perhaps khall can test koha-create for me? It's failing by default. :)
16:23 * ashimema      is here and listening too
16:23 oleonard        I'd like to build one based on a gitlab branch and I'm not sure of the syntax
16:23 oleonard        Sorry, sandboxes
16:23 oleonard        I have a question about the new devboxes that I hope you can answer
16:22 khall           what's up?
16:22 oleonard        khall awake?
16:14 mtompset        and if you don't have validate_password_policy set to LOW... koha-create will fail.
16:14 mtompset        just that seems that MySQL has added validate_password plugin variable
16:13 mtompset        No rush...
16:12 oleonard        Sorry I can't at the moment
16:12 mtompset        could you humour me and try?
16:12 oleonard        No, sorry.
16:11 mtompset        Yes, have you tried to koha-create lately, oleonard?
16:11 mtompset        Sorry for the slow reply.
16:11 mtompset        Ah...
16:08 oleonard        Just checking, or do you have a question mtompset?
16:08 huginn`         mtompset: oleonard was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <oleonard> Thanks
16:08 mtompset        @seen oleonard
16:07 huginn`         mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 37 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Joubu> I answered you privately
16:07 mtompset        @seen Joubu
16:07 huginn`         mtompset: bag was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 34 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <bag> nice
16:07 mtompset        @seen bag
16:07 huginn`         mtompset: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 2 days, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <kidclamp> is this on master?
16:07 mtompset        @seen kidclamp
16:06 mtompset        Has anyone here hit the validate_password_policy problem?
15:18 reiveune        bye
15:12 mtompset        Xmorave2++ # Thank you for adding that tweak to the wiki "The Easy Way" page.
15:12 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
14:31 oleonard        Thanks
14:30 Joubu           I answered you privately
14:21 huginn`         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23025 is not accessible.
14:21 oleonard        I don't think I understand your comment on Bug 23025
14:21 Joubu           hi :)
14:20 oleonard        Hi Joubu
14:20 Joubu           not kidding, I am around
14:20 wahanui         i think Joubu is kidding, right ;)
14:20 oleonard        How about Joubu?
14:14 oleonard        khall still around?
13:46 * cait          waves
13:46 wizzyrea        hi cait
13:32 wizzyrea        hi :)
13:31 oleonard        Hi wizzyrea
13:05 liliputech_asu  plop :)
12:58 fridolin        yop
12:13 ashimema        :)
12:10 cait            but see it in ation too
12:10 cait            ashimema: just trying to test your patch, it reads well
12:10 ashimema        so anything that could meaningfully be attached to an issue should be after all my accounts work ;)
12:09 ashimema        but I tried to consistently ensure issue_id was populated wherever we have an issue to associate with an accountline
12:09 ashimema        maybe not in yet
12:09 ashimema        there's a few more recently cait
11:58 khall           cait confirmed
11:58 cait            fresh db... have to create data
11:58 cait            i'll play around a bit
11:57 khall           cait I *think* lost fees perhaps? I'll have to double check
11:55 alex_a          cait, thx to you for checking
11:54 cait            khall: is there another way we put the issue_id in accountlines apart from F FU?
11:53 cait            alex_a: thx for your work on Mana
11:51 alex_a          hello cait
11:50 cait            hi alex_a :)
11:32 cait            true
11:31 khall           cait I'd be fine with the. Definitely the smallest cut. I also think a hint as to which field is shown in the pulldown would be helpful.
11:31 ashimema        I think having this in as an example/option is good but we probably need to make a case by case decision as to whether it makes sense as two tables or one
11:31 cait            khall: did you see the relabelling question above? would those work for you? display text and notes?
11:31 ashimema        mm, I'm torn between merging tables like this and doing this sort of key constraint thing
11:30 cait            i think this might be a pattern to adopt in other spots too?
11:29 cait            i jsut saw it after I asked, the usual
11:29 ashimema        phew
11:29 khall           :)
11:29 cait            i read the update wrong, sorry :)
11:29 cait            you do
11:29 ashimema        er.. don't I add one there
11:29 cait            would it make sense to have a fK for old_issue_id as well?
11:28 huginn`         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22421 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , accountlines.issue_id is missing a foreign key constraint
11:28 cait            ashimema: khall: looking at bug 22421
11:28 cait            can't disagree there :)
11:26 davidnind       we are very spoilt in NZ!
11:25 cait            best birds ever :)
11:25 cait            they jump
11:24 cait            oh interesting
11:23 davidnind       looks like there is three places to see kiwis in Germany! https://www.kiwisforkiwi.org/about-kiwi/where-to-see-kiwi/
11:22 davidnind       that's interesting, I didn't know they were doing that! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmkUpu7_Aic
11:22 cait            hi oleonard :)
11:22 oleonard        Hi all
11:18 cait            they explained they didn't adjust to the 'night house' well, so they just keep them behind the scenes now and in their normal rhythm
11:18 cait            they are breeding Kiwis in the Zoo in Frankfurt, but are ot showing them
11:17 cait            picking up things
11:16 cait            it looked like it might fall over any moment
11:16 davidnind       very lucky!
11:15 cait            one was feeding right in front of the glass
11:15 cait            but we were still quite lucky, the guide said we were the first group in a longer time to see them up so close
11:15 cait            so you walk in there and it's dark during the day
11:14 cait            in rotorua they have them in a house where they switch day/night
11:13 davidnind       I've only seen one once at Zelandia I think, they are super cute! https://www.visitzealandia.com/About/Wildlife/Birds/Little-Spotted-Kiwi
11:13 cait            wb khall :)
11:10 cait            these are the most ridiculous lovely birds
11:10 cait            i saw a kiwi in rotorua
11:10 cait            I like they donate for kiwis with every sold kiwi :)
11:09 davidnind       I think they are better for decoration or gifts
11:09 cait            they are so super cute
11:09 cait            I am not sure i could eat it
11:08 davidnind       will have to remember to buy some of these next Easter - they're only on sale for a short period of time https://www.whittakers.co.nz/en_NZ/products/kiwis/creamy-milk-kiwi-150g
11:08 cait            noted
11:07 davidnind       ooh, that would be nice - I haven't really tried swiss chocolate before
11:05 cait            i might have to bring you some swiss one next time :)
11:05 wahanui         darn tootin' it is.
11:05 davidnind       excellent!
11:04 cait            so good.
11:03 cait            yeah, yours is dark - if the salt chocolate one is out of the fridge I can smell it in the whole apartment
11:03 davidnind       It's only 11pm... You're chocolate was quite nice as well - sweeter than I'm used to, but nice flavours :)
11:01 cait            davidnind: btw - you should be sleeping probably... and the chocolate you gave me is soooooo good it makes me feel guilty i didn't have some more for you every time I eat a piece
11:00 davidnind       I agree
10:59 cait            hm we lost andreashm
10:58 cait            that would be maybe not a nice surprise :)
10:58 cait            i would not just expose it now as the feature has been in for longer
10:58 cait            i think the descriptio is more internal use
10:57 davidnind       Keeping it consistent with however similar things are done would make sense to me
10:56 davidnind       However, I'm not really familiar with how things are done in other places in Koha
10:56 davidnind       Maybe someway to display the description when you hover over the title
10:54 davidnind       But I thought having the description display instead of the title is weird
10:54 davidnind       But I was confused about the labelling, having a title and description made sense to me
10:54 cait            would that have made it more clear?
10:53 cait            davidnind: yep, I understand, what do you think of changing the labels?
10:53 davidnind       I signed-off on that as it worked
10:48 cait            so just people don't get hung up on terminology comparing to other forms
10:48 cait            Description = Notes
10:48 cait            Title = Display text (or descrpition)
10:47 cait            so what do you think about:
10:47 cait            description there is what we show
10:47 cait            if you look at how libraries and itemtypes and patron categories work
10:47 cait            i can understand where Lisette was coming from
10:47 cait            and keep structure as is
10:47 cait            maybe we just change the labels
10:47 cait            i was thinking
10:45 khall           field in fact.
10:45 khall           cait I see where he's coming from but it was always my intention that the "title" be the "short description" and the description be the "long description". I think we need evidence to support his claim *and* a db update to swap the fields for existing libraries if this patch is going to make it into Koha. A label hint to indicate which field is displayed to users may also be helpful, probably more helpful that swapping the display
10:38 huginn`         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22937 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Searching by library groups uses  group Title rather than Description
10:38 cait            bug 22937
10:38 cait            just to see if i understand the intention right
10:37 khall           sure! what's the number?
10:37 cait            khall: could you quickly weigh in on a bug about the library groups?
10:36 khall           lol, thanks!
10:36 ashimema        have a good one khall
10:36 ashimema        :cake:
10:34 cait            what are you doing here instead of eating cake with the family?
10:33 cait            actually someone with facebook told me ;)
10:33 khall           thanks cait! :)
10:33 cait            happy birthday khall!
10:19 andreashm       regarding the previous discussion: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47119794/mysql-mariadb-unable-to-handle-unique-keys-with-when-using-utf8mb4
09:46 cait            who doesn't
09:38 andreashm       ga, can't type
09:38 andreashm       hhad/hate
09:38 andreashm       I had encoding issues
09:36 josef_moravec   because utf8 in mysql isn't real utf8, utf8mb4 is standard UTF-8
09:35 andreashm       same here, I think
09:35 josef_moravec   but I don't know the reall reason what was wrong during the collation update process in db
09:35 * andreashm     doesn't really unserstand _why_ collation is changed.
09:34 andreashm       yeah, it really looks like the collation is the problem
09:34 andreashm       josef_moravec: we are using mariadb. same thing
09:34 josef_moravec   i am sure it was during collation change
09:34 andreashm       we should _really_ add a bug for this. I will try to create one this week
09:33 josef_moravec   only to remove mysql and start using mariadb...
09:33 andreashm       we've located the duplicate data
09:33 josef_moravec   i have no straight solution
09:33 andreashm       We are considering changing upgradedatabase.pl to not change collation for some tables, or to change the data before upgrade
09:32 andreashm       ?
09:32 andreashm       and how did you solve this
09:32 andreashm       did you ever figure out if there was a bug in mysql?
09:32 josef_moravec   andreashm: yes
09:32 andreashm       josef_moravec: ah, you've had the same issue?
09:24 huginn`         cait: The operation succeeded.
09:24 cait            @later tell oleonard can we please get your opinion on 23025?  thx
09:15 cait            hm, i think invoices that don't relate to order lines maybe?
09:12 cait            can someone explain to me what a 'blanket po' is?
09:07 josef_moravec   I believe, there is a bug in mysql too
09:06 josef_moravec   I encountered the same issue too I think... only way to go live again was to use backup and recreate the tables
09:06 andreashm       (we use MariaDB)
09:06 andreashm       potentially yeah
09:05 cait            sounds like it could be a mysql bug too?
09:04 ashimema        really nasty one
09:04 ashimema        I don't know how we could have predicted such an issue.. it's really the sort of thing you'd only come accross in a massive production site by the sounds of it..
09:04 andreashm       Leif is great
09:04 andreashm       haha
09:04 ashimema        yeah, lovely person
09:03 ashimema        haha
09:03 cait            probably scared him
09:03 cait            yep, saw Leif :)
09:01 andreashm       thankfully we have good staff here (maybe some of you met Leif at Kohacon in Dublin?). I would never have found the reason for that problem. =)
09:01 andreashm       yuk indeed
09:01 andreashm       yup
08:59 ashimema        yuk
08:58 ashimema        that's horrible
08:57 andreashm       (cait)
08:57 andreashm       nope, we couldn't do anything with the table. (or yes, we could of course, but since the problem was in the tablespace it "magically re-appered" after restarting the db)
08:56 andreashm       yeah, we should file a bug about that one. edge-case problably, but still nasty
08:55 cait            filing a bug might lead to more clues
08:54 cait            could you... kill the table ... convert from backup and relaod? or something like that?
08:54 cait            i think some scripts that were not covered before yes
08:54 andreashm       figure
08:54 andreashm       So we have found the cause', and can work with it. But it's taken a long time to fiture out.
08:53 andreashm       We are asuming the introduction of changing collation (17.12.15?) is for chinese etc.?
08:52 andreashm       The problem is most likely also our 220K patrons. This causes something to happen with the tablespace
08:52 andreashm       When not checking for diacritics we have duplicates on both barcode and user_id in the borrowers table.
08:50 andreashm       fun times
08:50 andreashm       They can't be deleted because they don't exist, and can't be recreated because they already exist (according to InnoDB)
08:50 ashimema        not heard of that happening anywhere before
08:50 ashimema        that sounds really odd
08:50 cait            you don#t know if they are alive or not... until oyu try to access them?
08:49 andreashm       Causing what we now less than fondly refer to Schrödingers tables
08:49 andreashm       This in turn wrecked InnoDB:s tablespace
08:49 cait            do ou have a clue on how that was even possible?
08:49 cait            that sounds... interesting
08:49 cait            our 18.11 behaves nicely so far
08:49 andreashm       The addition of changing collation to utf8mb4_unicode_ci creates duplicates in tables with unique keys, and have caused major problems with our (large) borrowers table.
08:49 cait            ohoh
08:47 andreashm       We have been trying to upgrade to 18.11 lately, and have had some *interesting* results.
08:39 cait            i love your nerdiness
08:39 cait            heh
08:39 ashimema        lol
08:33 andreashm       nice!
08:33 fridolin        (the Two Towers)
08:33 andreashm       hi fridolin
08:33 fridolin        a new power is righsing... ;)
08:32 * fridolin      starting RMaint of 19.05.x
08:32 * andreashm     waves
08:17 * josef_moravec is happy to be back with Koha people ;)
08:17 ashimema        we all have busy times :)
08:17 josef_moravec   hi ashimema ;)
08:17 ashimema        yeay, josef_moravec is back :)
08:15 cait            fingers crossed
08:15 josef_moravec   I hope too, I would like to go to Marseile, hopefully
08:14 cait            i hope we meet one day!
08:14 josef_moravec   ;)
08:14 cait            it was exhausting in the most lovely way
08:14 josef_moravec   cait: how it was going on KohaCon? ;)
08:13 cait            i think it was for a lot of us, don't worry :)
08:13 josef_moravec   sorry being not so active last weeks, it was crazy time for me ;)
08:12 cait            good morning josef_moravec :)
08:11 josef_moravec   morning #koha
07:53 cait            matts: around?
07:07 cait            good morning #koha and ashimema :)
07:07 ashimema        Mornin' #koha
06:44 alex_a          bonjour
06:44 fridolin        hi
06:36 reiveune        hello