Time Nick Message 21:16 cait it's easier than anything else 21:15 ashimema If your using packages for installation it's all built in 21:14 MWR Okay. How would I start a second instance on a server? (checks wiki) Okay... looks doable. 21:09 ashimema Yup 21:09 cait ah yes, instances, not installatoins 21:00 ashimema You don't need entirely district servers 21:00 ashimema They could share a single server but run side by side.. Koha is designed to work very well that way 20:59 ashimema 1) actually depends on how separate you mean... 20:54 cait 2) does more sound like an apache thing 20:52 MWR Ok. Thanks. Sm:)e. 20:43 cait 2) i am not sure about, i am not a sysamdin 20:43 cait if they don't share and won't share... i am a fan of keepig things separate 20:43 cait 1) yes 20:31 MWR and 2) If a Koha server is going to be installed on an Intranet (Private subnet), is there a best practices way to set it up? Especially considering internal DNS not matching external DNS, and I plan on port-forwarding the OPEC so that it is available on the internet. 20:29 MWR General questions: 1) If I have two schools, each with their own library, and they generally don't share books from eachother... would it make sense to make a seperate Koha install for each library? 18:27 * oleonard will see y'all later 17:57 cait oleonard: you are full of surprises :) 17:57 lavamind hello, is it possible to use a custom LDAP filter for LDAP auth ? 17:47 oleonard cait: I guess I make giant candy-filled cocktails now https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf38bDvFj17 17:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #244: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/244/ 17:46 wahanui Congratulations! 17:46 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:46 * cait wonders what she missed 17:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #228: UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/228/ 17:38 * oleonard now exclusively wears merch from Owen's Craft Mixers 17:38 cait back 17:36 kidclamp Wow! 17:34 oleonard Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bf38bDvFj17 17:34 ashimema I wan't one 17:34 ashimema amazing ! 17:33 wizzyrea hahahahahaha 17:32 oleonard https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15579415080923 17:32 oleonard ashimema, kidclamp: I went looking for a picture of my favorite kind of cocktail so you could be sure to drink one on my behalf and OH MY GOD look what came up 17:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #733: FIXED in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/733/ 17:31 wahanui Congratulations! 17:31 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:27 ashimema like it 17:27 ashimema hehe 17:27 kidclamp ashimema: we each have to take turns drinking for oleonard - make sure to secure a spot in the rotation 17:22 ashimema springy boots 17:22 oleonard ashimema: :'( 17:21 kidclamp stilts? 17:21 ashimema did I remember rightly.. you're not coming to kohacon oleonard 😞 ? 17:21 * oleonard could not, however, grow the required additional 1.5 feet in height 17:20 * ashimema thinks we should do it the other way around.. kidclamp should kidnap oleonard and bring him to kohacon 17:20 * oleonard wonders why he said fake moustache when he could easily grow his own luxurious moustache in the time allotted 17:20 * oleonard wonders why he didn't think of the chloroform and fake moustache 17:19 kidclamp yes, I need to add myself 17:19 oleonard I didn't see you on the arrivals/departures list so I had a doubt 17:19 * kidclamp checks if owen is behind me with chloroform and a fake moustache 17:18 kidclamp unless you know something I don't 17:18 kidclamp yes 17:14 oleonard kidclamp you are going to KohaCon right? 17:07 wizzyrea bbiab 17:04 cait bbl :) 17:04 ashimema :( 17:04 ashimema my queue is only growing 17:04 * ashimema fires off the release notes re-generation 17:03 cait yay! 17:03 kidclamp I did :-) 17:03 wizzyrea STUFF IS HAPPENING 17:03 cait ooh kidclamp pushed my patches! :) 17:03 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21651: Remove language specific sql file for notice templates related tables <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1114ba929f0aa634d6f9c10d8931c2ca25871c7d> 17:03 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21651: Always insert notice templates related tables <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=990cc79ef085b74764cd68875fc0fd6dc6da8ffe> 17:03 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 4833: Show acq information when selecting suggestion for order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d3944cba3ce11af8ecc7feeee4ad0fef737f069> 17:03 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22657: Remove JavaScript from OPAC suggestion validation of required fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3bcde5d91fb19e30ee14c8ecc82c8f3985a22c2c> 17:03 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22657: (QA follow-up) Restore previous version of regex <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9515ee6bf05236d189f5318bc33a5469e45acc5b> 17:03 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21651: (QA follow-up) Remove remaining obsolete file from German web installer <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71018d4cca41c9e9eeab1d8980af4f7253a728a8> 17:03 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 4833: (QA follow-up) Add budgetname to SearchSuggestion <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2d886c3b3513ace62f428d4e42d4d144a689172> 17:01 wizzyrea that's what I said 17:01 huginn` Bug 17178: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Needs Signoff , Add a popup/keyboard shortcuts for diacritics and symbols in the advanced cataloging editor 17:01 wizzyrea https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17178#c8 17:01 cait we encourage asking questions 17:01 cait ask and fail :) 17:01 wizzyrea idk 17:01 wizzyrea maybe? 17:01 cait that might not work 17:01 wizzyrea but it has no macrons 17:01 cait maybe they use our language codes somehow 17:01 wizzyrea there's a keyboard layout labeled ms-Maori 17:01 cait i'd definiteyl ask 17:00 cait so maybe they tried to add one? 17:00 cait oh 17:00 wizzyrea the Koha interface 17:00 wizzyrea it's in the interface 16:58 cait i am looking here: https://github.com/hodgef/simple-keyboard-layouts/tree/master/src/lib/layouts 16:58 cait where do you see the non-working maori? 16:58 wizzyrea yeah cool I'll do that 16:58 cait maybe leave a comment for now? Augustin is nice, he might be able to help figure it out 16:57 wizzyrea or at least I don't see how to make it work 16:57 wizzyrea there's as listed layout for mÄori but it doesn't seem to work 16:57 cait we coudl probably provide one without too much hassle 16:57 cait https://github.com/hodgef/simple-keyboard-layouts/wiki/Supported-Layouts 16:57 cait i thin the layout thing looks flexible 16:56 wizzyrea that's right, not for macrons 16:56 cait so they used something external for the layout but it doesn't support the use case, right? 16:56 wizzyrea yep 16:56 wizzyrea https://github.com/hodgef/simple-keyboard-layouts/wiki/Supported-Layouts layouts can be added to the originating project 16:56 cait is that the macron? 16:55 wizzyrea my heart says yes but it feels unfair. 16:55 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Needs Signoff , Add a popup/keyboard shortcuts for diacritics and symbols in the advanced cataloging editor 16:55 wizzyrea i'm looking at bug 17178, i'm wondering whether to fail this because it doesn't do MÄori tohutÅ 16:54 wizzyrea cait about 16:41 oleonard With template toolkit syntax and embedded CSS you could really get far with it 16:38 wizzyrea https://www.fastcompany.com/90347782/the-humble-receipt-gets-a-brilliant-redesign?utm_source=pocket-newtab 16:38 wizzyrea it's fun to think about how we could use similar techniques with Koha receipts 16:35 cait the last stable version is 18.11 16:35 cait 19.05 is not releasd yet 16:34 Ralphius another question, the last version of koha 19.05 it's stable? in the test what's the results ? 16:33 cait hm 16:33 Ralphius Hi oleopard 16:32 wahanui hi oleopard 16:32 wizzyrea hi oleonard 16:31 * oleonard waves 16:20 cait i think most of those have worked with Koha OAI before 16:20 cait are you building something yourself or is it one of the big ones? 16:20 Ralphius yep this is the case 16:19 cait we have a lot of the big RDS providers using OAI and they always link back into KOha 16:19 cait checking i fi can see an example in our oai docs 16:19 cait and that allows you to link for sure 16:18 wizzyrea neither 16:18 cait but the oai should contain the biblionumber 16:18 cait hm i am not sure waht you mean 16:18 Ralphius ? 16:18 Ralphius I don't know if Koha use the local url identifier to book .. and how i can show that url in the oai 16:17 wizzyrea go ahead :) 16:16 Ralphius I have a question to Koha, may be u can help me? 16:15 cait hi Ralphius 16:15 Ralphius Hi there!! 16:02 wizzyrea that graph is quite fun 16:01 wizzyrea eythian ^.^ you funny 16:00 Shane-S I especially loved a darknet diaries...episode...you know we pass a -1 to it..and see what happend. I never even thought of that when coding stuff. 15:58 Shane-S oh SQL injection...how many php scripts did I write back in the early 2000's following guides that never said...don't pass the form field directly...validate it fist 15:55 Shane-S Hack this door lock...no need...instructions are posted next to...lets steal this priceless data...readme.txt says "data publically available" ;) 15:55 eythian https://www.cvedetails.com/product/21648/Koha-Koha.html?vendor_id=11706 there's always something 15:54 Shane-S maybe life should be open source...whats left to hack if everything is out there *sigh* 15:54 eythian who even does that. 15:53 eythian only if you execute untrusted code. Like, javascript in a webbrowser. 15:49 wizzyrea Impact: An application may be able to execute arbitrary code with system privileges so gross 15:49 wizzyrea https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210119 this one (look at the microocode and security sections... yikes.) 15:46 wizzyrea so if you have a lot of them good to remind your people to do their updates urgently 15:45 wizzyrea :) pretty critical mac updates this week too 15:44 Shane-S wizzyrea: haha thanks...I have to re-install OSX on a MacBook Air now..since it is using a shared icould credentials that I can get out of it for the life of me... 15:38 kidclamp Joubu the tests pass for me too 15:38 ashimema okies 15:36 ashimema just throws horrible errors to screen for me if I try to sign up 15:36 wizzyrea that was a week-ish ago 15:36 wizzyrea it worked ashimema 15:36 wizzyrea the last time I tried it 15:36 ashimema is this one just me or can others get it working? 15:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22915 blocker, P1 - high, 19.05, koha-bugs, NEW , Cannot subscribe to Mana-KB 15:36 ashimema bug 22915 15:36 wizzyrea now, your daily pep talk completed, go kick ass. 15:36 Shane-S wizzyrea: oh thanks..totally never found that :) 15:35 wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 15:35 wizzyrea heaps of those. 15:34 wizzyrea so 1. you aren't alone 2. it's ok to not know things 3. there's new crap all the time and nobody knows it all. There isn't one person who knows, beginning to end, every detail about how any computer of any complexity works 15:34 Shane-S On a side note: If I move on from my job here is there a support option or company that could take over a packages based install? 15:33 wizzyrea Shane-S, it's my feeling that every sysadmin thinks this at least once, maybe more times, a day. 15:25 Shane-S oh well...at least I keep a company of 55 employees happy...until we get hacked then I will be a headline of what I could have done :) 15:24 Shane-S I struggled to get a bios update on a server...meanwhile people are exploiting CPUs....im pushing 40 and feel like I never learned a damn thing lol 15:22 wizzyrea the first step to wisdom is knowing just how much you don't know :) 15:22 Shane-S wizzyrea: yeah, maybe one day I can focus on a few things and get good. I keep reading hacking and exploit articles and I am just amazed how MUCH some people seem to know and seem to have mastered 15:18 wizzyrea Shane-S, that is the life of an admin of anything 15:16 reiveune bye 15:09 Shane-S seems like every time I fix something (anywhere) all appears fine and then a week later I get a call...so...you fixed this...but now... 15:08 Shane-S So far..waiting to hear if more stuff broke :) 14:48 Joubu lol good news then? 14:46 Shane-S Joubu: So...I couldn't figure out how to do 18.05.x update...I just prayed my VM backups were working and did the apt-get install koha-common and I am on 18.11.05 and seems to have fixed it 14:41 fridolin Joubu++ 14:39 kidclamp Joubu++ 14:39 kidclamp Joubu++ 14:38 ashimema Thanks all 14:38 wizzyrea cool 14:38 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_15_may_2019.2019-05-15-14.02.log.html 14:38 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_15_may_2019.2019-05-15-14.02.txt 14:38 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/development_irc_meeting_15_may_2019.2019-05-15-14.02.html 14:38 huginn` Meeting ended Wed May 15 14:38:08 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 14:38 Joubu #endmeeting 14:37 Joubu #info Next meeting: 29 May 2019, 19 UTC 14:37 * thd will read the logs for 29 May after publishing conference. 14:36 kidclamp i think 14 and 19, sometimes 20 as is better for NZ but is hard for many 14:36 wahanui 0.736842105263158 14:36 kidclamp 14/19? 14:36 kidclamp everyone just show up when they want 14:36 Joubu can anybody tell me which slots have been picked for the last months? 14:35 Joubu Next meeting: 29 May 2019, ?? UTC 14:35 wizzyrea just move it to the right place :) 14:35 wizzyrea people will get it wrong, that's fine 14:35 * kidclamp also promises to get it wrong at least once 14:35 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting 14:35 Joubu best moment of meetings then 14:34 kidclamp Mana server/integration works for me 14:34 ashimema Nothing from me 14:34 Joubu Another discussion? 14:33 wizzyrea (the dingdong is wahanui) 14:33 wizzyrea no it isn't dingdong. :) 14:33 wahanui something is broken 14:33 wizzyrea or something 14:33 Joubu so no vote then, great :) 14:33 ashimema Okies 14:33 wizzyrea call the koha project one Mana integration 14:33 Joubu yup 14:33 wizzyrea call the PI one Mana server 14:33 wizzyrea no 14:33 Joubu confusing maybe? 14:33 wizzyrea yes 14:32 Joubu and what about a "Mana" component in the Koha project for Mana related code inside Koha? 14:32 ashimema Ok 14:32 kidclamp I agree with project infrastructure, seems reasonable 14:32 wizzyrea it needs to be only one, maybe 2. 14:32 wizzyrea but mana 14:32 wizzyrea coce eh 14:32 Joubu yes, definitely 14:31 wizzyrea ^^^ this is SUPER KEY for mana 14:31 kidclamp the more in one instance the better results, but anyways 14:31 wizzyrea imo 14:31 wizzyrea coce is different 14:31 wizzyrea so does catalyst 14:31 kidclamp :-) 14:31 kidclamp stop doing that! 14:31 ashimema We also host a coce 14:31 ashimema Spreads the hosting burden.. 14:30 kidclamp like bywater hosts a coce 14:30 ashimema That's why I like federating it 14:30 wizzyrea doesn't that seem like a much harder problem than having one mana? 14:30 ashimema So who hosts it then wizzyrea 14:30 kidclamp I thought biblibre was maintaining a central mana for all 14:30 * ashimema wants to get federation working to Manas can talk to each other 14:30 wizzyrea I hate the idea that vendors silo off their customers 14:29 wizzyrea I think it'd be way better if there was a centralised one 14:29 Joubu vote? 14:29 ashimema Right 14:29 ashimema If my understanding is correct Mana won't be hosted by the community.. it's more something for support providers to host for their group of customers 14:29 Joubu that's my thought as well 14:29 wizzyrea hea is in there 14:28 wizzyrea I do 14:28 wizzyrea it's where hea is 14:28 ashimema I don't think it fits with Infrastructure.. 14:28 wizzyrea you could put mana in the PI project 14:28 Joubu wondering if Mana-kb should not go to the "Project Infrastructure" instead? 14:28 ashimema As a top level project 14:28 Joubu https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/enter_bug.cgi?product=Project%20Infrastructure 14:28 ashimema I think it looks like it's in the right place on Bugzilla to me 14:28 Joubu and 14:28 Joubu https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/enter_bug.cgi 14:28 Joubu so we have : 14:28 wizzyrea imo 14:27 wizzyrea right, server part bugs should be on the gitlab 14:27 Joubu yes, but it's more related to the server part 14:27 Joubu (even if I am not sure it's a good idea, but that's not question) 14:27 wizzyrea if it's something to do with the koha side of it, it should be in our bugzilla 14:27 wizzyrea I think that's the appropriate place for issues specifically with the mana server? 14:26 Joubu but we also want it on bugzilla (to make it easy for people) 14:26 Joubu we created the project on gitlab 14:26 Joubu So the question is: where people will open issue/ft request for Mana 14:26 wizzyrea well bugzilla would be part of the project infrastructure project 14:26 ashimema I've not got myself in order enough yet to propose much more on collaboration next cycle yet.. but expect something imminently 14:26 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22487 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add Mana and Bugzilla components on bugzilla 14:26 Joubu bug 22487 14:25 Joubu nothing on the wiki, but maybe I can bring the bugzilla components question we had on bug... 14:25 ashimema Hehe 14:25 Joubu #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:25 wizzyrea just don't pet him too much he might fall asleep 14:25 Joubu yep, moving on 14:24 ashimema That's probably it for QA isn't it? 14:24 * ashimema offers to be a 'pet dev' during the bugs workshop 14:23 ashimema Brill cait 14:23 ashimema +1 #commit date Vs original history dates don't match.. Joubu spotted the bug in the script but after push.. should be a quick fix 14:23 cait some might be too hard for Academy anyway 14:23 cait I plan to go through existing ones and weed a bit 14:23 cait ashimema: i think academy bugs would be nice to save for now 14:22 Joubu we (Martin and me) also noticed that the new contributor list is wrong, we are going to try & work on it to have it fixed for 19.05.00 14:22 cait we got mostly elastic, sip and rest left, I really need help witht hose 14:22 ashimema Are there minors you want saving for kohacon cait 14:22 cait I have cleared up the qa qeue as much as I could 14:21 cait #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=282201&namedcmd=rel_19_05_candidate 14:21 ashimema I intend to get back to QA this week but have been lacking the last few days due to kohacon organising 14:21 cait I think that sums it up nicely - the bugs need attention most right now and everything tagged rel_19_05_release 14:20 Joubu nothing else at the top of my head 14:19 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22905 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Edit suggestions - wrong branchcode behavior 14:19 Joubu and if someone wants a fast headache (being sober) there is bug 22905 14:19 cait 11 majors as well 14:19 Joubu 1 blocker, 3 criticals that need attention 14:19 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:19 Joubu There are 2 failures on Jenkins during last builds, one D8, another one D9, seems random. Need to investigate 14:18 cait but Joubu can start :) 14:18 cait i am here 14:18 Joubu Ok, will try then 14:17 fridolin indeed 14:17 wahanui it has been said that qa_team is cait alex_a jajm khall josef_moravec ashimema Joubu marcelr tcohen rangi 14:17 Joubu qa_team? 14:17 Joubu #topic Updates from the QA team 14:17 Joubu once 19.05.00 is released :) 14:16 fridolin (we need to tell our bot) 14:16 fridolin Oh cool ;) 14:16 Joubu and you have been elected 14:15 fridolin I have proposed for RMaint 19.05.x 14:15 Joubu #info 17.11.18 will be the latest of the 17.11.x branch 14:15 fridolin unless some big issue, i will set it as obsolete after 19.05.00 is released 14:14 fridolin 17.11.x is at its last release 14:14 Frank_Purcell Bye everyone, thank you for all the assistance today. I will attempt to reinstall tomorrow to figure out what i did wrong. i think it was purely by not selecting a repository during Debian installation. 14:14 fridolin yep 14:14 * ashimema runs 14:14 ashimema rmaint update would be 'about to work through the queue kidclamp built up for me this morning' 14:14 Joubu fridolin: something to tell us? 14:14 thd :) 14:14 Joubu bad timing :) 14:13 Joubu #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:13 ashimema I've just gotta run out on school run.. will rejoin from phone in about 5 mins.. sorry 14:13 kidclamp +1 14:13 ashimema :) 14:13 Joubu no questions for kidclamp then? 14:13 Joubu unanimously approved 14:12 ashimema +1 14:12 tcohen +1 14:12 Joubu like using the kw "regressions" for 19.05 regressions? :) 14:11 Joubu would be good to tell people to use a given keyword if they need to be fixed for 19.05 14:11 Joubu KohaCon's hackfest will certainly find bugs 14:10 kidclamp any questions for me? 14:10 Joubu #info major bugs need attention before the release 14:10 Joubu # major bugs need attention before the release 14:10 kidclamp I didn't do a specific draft of release notes, but they are rolling now, will take a crack at those before kohacon 14:10 kidclamp still some major bugs etc that need work. please lend a hand there 14:09 kidclamp will make a pass on things marked for release today and decide which to push or not 14:09 kidclamp Working on cleaning up things, pushing bugs etc 14:09 Joubu kidclamp: floor is yours 14:09 Joubu #topic Update from the Release Manager (19.05) 14:09 Joubu something else? 14:08 Joubu #info QA needed on bug 22835, to make plugins all-API driven and self contained 14:08 tcohen we look forward to any feedback or ideas from people willing to work on the plugins front 14:08 m23_ Nice work 14:07 Joubu #info Fridolin is going to release a plugin for Matomo(ex Piwik) https://git.biblibre.com/biblibre/koha-plugin-opac-matomo 14:07 fridolin \o/ 14:07 tcohen and self contained 14:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22835 new feature, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Signed Off , Serve static files from plugins through the API 14:07 tcohen Theke has submitted bug 22835, to make plugins all-API driven 14:06 tcohen \o 14:06 * fridolin is about to release a plugin for Matomo(ex Piwik) https://git.biblibre.com/biblibre/koha-plugin-opac-matomo 14:05 Joubu Anyone have something? 14:05 Joubu #topic Announcements 14:05 fridolin under a shining sun ;) 14:05 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France 14:04 fridolin yep 14:04 wahanui i guess rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints 14:04 Joubu rmaints? 14:04 wahanui i think qa_team is cait alex_a jajm khall josef_moravec ashimema Joubu marcelr tcohen rangi 14:04 Joubu qa_team? 14:04 Joubu qa_team? rmaints? 14:04 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe 14:03 m23_ #info Michal Denar 14:03 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, doer of things 14:03 huginn` Current chairs: Joubu cait kidclamp tcohen 14:03 Joubu #chair kidclamp tcohen cait 14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:03 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:03 oleonard [off] Sorry, can't stay! 14:03 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:03 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_15_May_2019 14:03 Joubu #topic Introductions 14:02 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_15_may_2019' 14:02 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:02 huginn` Meeting started Wed May 15 14:02:58 2019 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02 Joubu #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 15 May 2019 14:02 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_15_May_2019 14:02 kidclamp is there a meeting? 14:01 wizzyrea because that is probably a doubled up old-issue 14:00 wizzyrea try the about page 14:00 Joubu Shane-S: try first to update to the last 18.05.x 13:59 Shane-S where would I look (18.05.02.000) for why I get Internal Server Error with most books in the cataloging section trying to view checkout history 13:58 Frank_Purcell i have to add these codes [sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/partial] [sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::CompressionTypes::Order::=gz] 13:52 Frank_Purcell someting to do with amd64 packages 13:49 Frank_Purcell at the end it says E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old ones used instead 13:48 Frank_Purcell still getting the errors during update. example; E: failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/source/by-hash/sha256/348b905aebfc05929043b46248a4fa8b008f501e279a1064bb68bc94b4bc4763 Hash Sum mismach 13:47 tcohen hi all 13:43 oleonard :( 13:42 Frank_Purcell thank you, I will do this immedietely. internet is not too slow, but is capped so i hope i dont run out of data. have to run this through my personal wifi, as work blocks us on domain 13:42 Joubu apparently you can add `sudo apt-get clean` before the update 13:42 fridolin oleonard: oki thanks a lot 13:41 Joubu hope you have a fast internet connection, all the files will be downloaded again 13:40 Joubu suggests: `sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*` then `sudo apt-get update` 13:40 Joubu https://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-packages-list-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error#41618 13:39 Joubu Frank_Purcell: did you search for this error? 13:39 Frank_Purcell i got many "failed to retrieve file, Hash Sum mismatch" on many many files. i am not sure if install was successful 13:38 Frank_Purcell quick question: after running [sudo apt-get install koha-common] what should i see? 13:34 oleonard I'll revisit it soon I hope. 13:34 oleonard ...but my first attempt at it broke many many things. 13:34 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Improve responsive behavior of the basic marc editor 13:34 oleonard Bug 22399 was intended to do that 13:33 oleonard fridolin: The width is now responsive. There are now media queries in addbiblio.css to change that width as the browser changes width. But it could be improved. 13:31 fridolin (line break) 13:31 fridolin oleonard: is it on purpose ? 13:30 fridolin so now there is a line brake 13:30 fridolin it was 30em 13:30 fridolin it added : .input_marceditor { width: 60em; } 13:30 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging 13:30 fridolin oleonard: The cataloguing display as been changed by Bug 20044 13:29 oleonard :) 13:29 fridolin oleonard: hi CSS expert 13:20 m23__ Frank_Purcell: really strange. I installed Debian same way befre week, without this issue. 13:17 Frank_Purcell the iso straight from debian.org 13:17 Frank_Purcell i installed Debian 9.9.0 from an ISO onto virtual box. testing the server then will rent a proper server 13:16 Joubu kidclamp: none of the two failing tests are failing for me :-/ 13:16 m23__ Frank_Purcell: how you install Debin? From CD/ISO? 13:15 Frank_Purcell well lets wait and see if it presents a problem. its mixed in with all the coding as the common installation is happening. 13:15 ashimema sorry 13:14 ashimema erm.. I've never seen that 13:14 Frank_Purcell basically "hashes of expected file" is different to "hashes of received file" 13:13 Frank_Purcell is this common? or should i expect the install to fail? 13:13 Frank_Purcell im busy installing koha common now, all seems fine now, however i notice "Hash Sum mismatch" Err:18 http://security.debian.org/debiansecurity stretch/updates main amd64 12:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #243: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/243/ 12:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #227: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/227/ 12:46 ashimema glad it helped 12:46 ashimema awesome :) 12:45 Frank_Purcell sudo successfully installed. now to proceed with installation. thanks! ashimema - i just had to copy your repository list and then update 12:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #732: UNSTABLE in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/732/ 12:38 Frank_Purcell testing now. there was updates. when i use apt upgrade, it says there is 3 upgraded, and after download is fails problem with the hash link. this was happening from the start though i think the rest has updated. will let you know is 2mins 12:34 ashimema `apt install package-name` - this will only work once `apt` itself knows about the pacakges available to it (after an `apt update`) 12:33 ashimema `apt update` = get the latest list of packages using sources.list as the sources 12:33 ashimema have you run an `apt update` 12:31 Frank_Purcell but alas, sudo still wont install, i get this error "Package sudo is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source 12:30 Frank_Purcell I did not have stretch main nor debian-security/ stretch/updates 12:30 Frank_Purcell ashimema, ive added the repositories, I only had stretch/updates. 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22225: Correctly use invoiceincgst over listincgst <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=43047ee734e2b6b650e43710a712390433cbb2bd> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22742: ILS-DI - Fix datetime format returned by RenewLoan <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cc8fb5e07eab457f998c42e1b7cd22c387e647b> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7862: Preventing warns when creating a notice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=700b7dfa09e38c074cebbbb5caac64e031d5c0d5> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22781: Escape cardnumber, category's description, library's name and dateexpiry <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a3057545c56f4f1a41fcd7643265204844cd2d3> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22781: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e8ecb8c6c8cf5d5188d2ad138e4fdbd8f395b3e> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22781: Test patron's info filtering <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35d00030ceb572822979300a5291356a32427a16> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22781: Does not double filter address <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ecb12104ffc7284089a1c8134ca8811e99e7419c> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22781: Correctly filter the emails <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5410186f6829fc4b74a845e8954bd7eea3f19862> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Revert "Bug 22478: (QA follow-up) Update tests to check for any script tags" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c265fcc476bc4d4fc74d5a23c0d5ef8ef21650b2> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Revert "Bug 22478: (QA follow-up) Handle category in opac-shelves like a boolean" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bed2a3fe61ff605b636e292e73b96947de23b29> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22836: (follow-up) Bug 22478: (QA follow-up) Make test consistent with variable... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7799f4ddd1f1fe111081dc3695c9038fa500e961> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22850: Do no longer use set_userenv in tests (SharedContent.t) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f817f056bb7373abbd08882132c230f41057717> 12:13 ashimema quicker for use.. not quicker for setup of course 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22875: Document verbose option in import_patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9248c8802c4009ca99209da549447d13d6f686f> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22878: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f18afa7b34574cd872c94ee366a8d3e75085413> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22878: Do not pass layout_id on creating a layout <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d53fae9494b50c0cf2dcc98b18982b0d8fc416f> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20514: Use streetnumber when searching for patrons by address <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=97ec0a2e4bf76cf2e67a7ddbd463d9942a4fe383> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22889: Fix typos librairies and libaries <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b037a77362c5a425fd2b551ddf0280eda38e733> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22886: Missing space between fields from Keyword to MARC mapping in cataloguing... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f00d909220ebde5162335e255e4ba938a9563bff> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22892: Remove warning from rebuild_es if --processes not passed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bc386a98fa51617ef927d4133ae310e17676dd5> 12:13 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22836: (follow-up) improve test message <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=92ab7f66eb5371596d8c46e56f4fdb503ed5d81c> 12:13 ashimema https://www.unixmen.com/find-fastest-mirror-debian-derivatives/ is also a helpful article detailing how to find more local mirrors that may be a bit quicker 12:12 Frank_Purcell let me try it quick 12:12 Frank_Purcell im from South Africa. dude this will help so much. its the exact coding im missing 12:11 ashimema then I'd personally add /etc/apt/sources.d/koha.list and have the koha repo pointed to in here 12:10 ashimema as a minimum 12:10 ashimema in your /etc/apt/sources.list file 12:10 ashimema https://paste.debian.net/1081561/ 12:09 ashimema I'd expect to see something along the lines of 12:08 ashimema where are you from Frank? 12:06 Frank_Purcell the bug is predominant in debian 9.9.0 12:04 Frank_Purcell i tried adding the debian.koha link, but it doesnt have sudo 12:04 Frank_Purcell the bug is quite documented online, but the fix is to add a repository in the sources list. I just dont know what link to add to the list 11:56 oleonard ...but I don't know what to suggest 11:56 oleonard Frank_Purcell: It seems so unlikely to me that Debian doesn't ship with sudo, I wonder if there isn't something else going on. 11:52 Frank_Purcell maybe i should just reinstall and keep trying until i manage to connect to a repository 11:51 Frank_Purcell without "sudo", from root. but i got error gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found 11:50 Frank_Purcell i tried to run the code "wget -q -O- https://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | apt-key add -" 11:50 Frank_Purcell could i add the debian.koha-community repository to the source list manually? 11:50 ashimema interesting 11:50 Frank_Purcell but i can only use that code once sudo is up and running 11:50 Frank_Purcell during installation I was having problems with the repositories and was hoping to simply use "wget -q -O- https://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -" once i was in 11:49 Frank_Purcell debian 9 apparently does not come with sudo, when you set a root password during installation. its a bug that is not fixed yet. 11:47 ashimema I've never seen an install without the standard repositories and without sudo available for installation all out of the box 11:47 ashimema how did you install debian? 11:46 Frank_Purcell at the moment the only source in the list is for security. I need to add a repository where i can get sudo from, then re-run apt update 11:45 Frank_Purcell I need to add something to the sources.list in order to -get sudo 11:44 Frank_Purcell I have installed Debian and noticed [sudo] is not installed when trying to add the debian koha package. I also cannot install sudo, apparently it is because of an issue in "/etc/apt/sources.list" 11:39 wahanui hi oleopard 11:39 magnuse hi oleonard 11:31 oleonard Hey 11:09 m23_ hello Koha 10:54 Frank_Purcell i completely understand, but i still believe including this in an installation guide will allow many more people to use Koha. its actually not too much work, but you need to know specifically how to do it on each OS. there is quite a bit more guidance on Ubuntu as opposed to Debian. 10:48 cait Frank_Purcell: OS can change.. and people use different, we usually don't make this part of the Koha instructions 10:38 Frank_Purcell i definitely need to make a complete installation guide once i get this right. all guides start at different points, and none that i have found regarding Koha actually start with the debian installation selections. they all start where your OS is up and running with everything you need pre-installed. 10:22 magnuse that might only work with sudo? 10:20 Frank_Purcell -bash adduser: command not found 10:20 magnuse looks like it is not installed by default on newer debians 10:17 Frank_Purcell installation of sudo hasnt been mentioned in any of the guides ive seen, i thought it was a preinstalled part of linux. perhaps i messed up during linux debian installation? 10:16 magnuse i often follow the descriptions for debian here: https://www.linode.com/docs/security/securing-your-server/#add-a-limited-user-account 10:14 magnuse ah, sounds like you need to install sudo and make yourself able to do sudo 10:14 Frank_Purcell -bash** 10:14 Frank_Purcell -basg: sudo: command not found 10:13 magnuse which command? 10:13 Frank_Purcell command not found >.< 10:12 Frank_Purcell wget -q -O- https://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - 10:12 magnuse which first line? 10:12 Frank_Purcell okay i feel like a fool, i cant seem to get the first line to work... 09:56 huginn` Frank_Purcell: downloading the Perl source 09:56 Frank_Purcell @magnuse thank you so much 09:54 magnuse yeah, i think that makes sense from what you say, Frank_Purcell 09:54 * ashimema generally suggests following oldstable if you want the tried and tested version 09:54 magnuse if you follow oldstable you will be upgraded from 18.11.x to something like 19.05.06, when the time comes 09:53 magnuse so it sounds like you want to follow oldstable or a codename, like 18.11 09:53 magnuse if you follow the stable suite you will suddenly be upgraded from e.g. 18.11.x to 19.05.00 09:51 magnuse there will always be bugs :-) 09:50 Frank_Purcell im following the guide as magnuse linked above, but it tells us to choose between a suite which automatically updates, or a version number which is static and needs manual updates. Im just thinking there might be unwanted bugs if it automatically updates, or will it only update to a completely stable version once released 09:46 cait did you se the wiki page epxlaining about this? sec 09:42 Frank_Purcell should i follow a suit or a codename? if i follow a suite - will it automatically update, and potential new versions may have additional bugs 08:45 cait magnuse++ :) 08:42 Frank_Purcell ahhh, brilliant. I thought i needed to do it during the OS installation. Thanks @magmuse 08:33 magnuse Frank_Purcell: you set that up in this part of the process: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Set_up_package_sources 08:30 Frank_Purcell is there a Koha repository/ package manager? 08:29 Frank_Purcell Is it fine to continue without selecting a package manager mirror? 08:28 Frank_Purcell I am in the installation process for debian, towards the end, it is asking me to select a package manager, but the 5 which i have tried all end up saying "Access is not available right now" 08:00 magnuse sounds like a good plan :-) 07:51 Frank_Purcell Once tested and confirmed to be working, and accessible via the web, then i will rent a server and reinstall on that 07:50 Frank_Purcell im installing it on a Windows 10 64bit machine, through virtual box. 07:49 Frank_Purcell yip I have downloaded debian 9.9.0 (stretch) and reading the installation manually now, im sure its pretty clean cut but I would like to go through it slowly to make sure I dont mess anything up 07:48 magnuse Frank_Purcell: you are using the debian packages, right? 07:40 Frank_Purcell So im attempting to install Koha from scratch, manually, without much linux technical knowledge. So will probably get stuck and ask quite a few questions today. 07:39 magnuse hiya Frank_Purcell 07:38 Frank_Purcell Good morning everyone =) 07:31 fridolin tout pareil wahanui 07:31 wahanui kia ora, fridolin 07:31 fridolin hi 07:08 cait kia ora magnuse :) 07:07 magnuse kia ora cait! 07:06 cait good morning #koha 06:59 reiveune hello 06:54 paxed hmm... does saving an institution borrower still force a Gender: N in master? 06:51 alex_a bonjour 06:48 magnuse \o/ 06:14 cait right, bbiab :) 05:56 cait ashimema++ :) 05:40 ashimema done 05:16 ashimema I'll get onto it first thing this morning 05:16 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22893 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , contributors.yaml not correctly copied 05:16 ashimema That'll be the push of bug 22893, it's an expected conflict which should be trivial to now rebase. 😊 05:16 ashimema cait 00:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #272: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/272/