Time Nick Message 05:24 paxed oh, our cataloguers just love it when the xslt decides in which order subfields are shown 05:25 paxed instead of showing in the order the subfields are in the record. 06:24 magnuse \o/ 06:45 * ashimema can't work out whether that was sarcasm or not paxed 06:46 * ashimema needs more input on bug 19919 06:46 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19919 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Writing off a Lost Item Fee marks as "Paid for by patron" 06:46 ashimema I wasn't suggesting removing the feature, rather refining it to work with modern practices 06:48 paxed ashimema: cataloguers always want the data to be shown exactly as they've entered it. 06:49 paxed in this case, 264ababc is shown in koha as 264aabbc 08:03 ashimema @later tell rangi I've also struggled to catch the other rmaints.. I've grabbed the tags from the security repo though and pushed them up to main for them 08:03 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded. 08:08 rangi thanks ashimema 08:09 * cait waves 08:09 ashimema oh, your online :) 08:10 ashimema good evening :) 08:10 ashimema and no worries 08:11 ashimema do you know how Horowhenua use the paidfor stuff.. do they report on it (i.e do they need it literally within the items table) or it just simply for display in certain places (in which case I could drop the field but keep the display by grabbing the details from accountlines) ? 08:11 ashimema bug 19919 that's in relation to rangi ^ 08:11 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19919 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Writing off a Lost Item Fee marks as "Paid for by patron" 08:11 ashimema no hurry to answer 08:13 rangi its just to display 08:14 ashimema ta, that's helpful to know :) 08:15 * ashimema really wouldn't want to break people existing uses 08:25 rangi did you know, back in the day we used to maintain a Changelog 08:26 ashimema I suppose in way that's the idea of the release notes isn't it? 08:26 ashimema though I think our release notes are rather hard to comprehend if you're trying to work through them 08:26 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "paidfor" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2663 08:27 rangi yeah it was a bit more like a git log, for humans 08:27 ashimema jumping major version is easy to get confused by our notes as they contain overlapping bugs between maint release notes 08:28 rangi git log wasnt a thing then of course :) 08:28 rangi but theres the entry when paidfor was added, and why, and how it worked :) 08:30 ashimema I like changlogs 08:30 rangi you can generate them from git pretty easily 08:31 ashimema indeed you can 08:31 rangi misc/info/Changelog 08:31 rangi if you check out a pre 2003 koha, you'll see it :) 08:32 ashimema interesting, ta 08:33 rangi if we wanted we could a hook, and it would update the changelog for us ;) 08:34 ashimema I find our commit messages vary widely.. I kind of like the way we use bugzilla for the release notes details.. it's easier to go back and fix those in BZ than it is to embelish commits 08:34 ashimema embelishing commits once pushed would obviously be crazy bad too with the whole history re-writing pain 08:34 rangi yep 08:35 rangi the hook can fetch details from bugzilla tho 08:35 rangi just like the do for the release notes now 08:35 ashimema indeed 08:36 rangi i just find chronologically easier to read, when i want to see what changed when 08:37 rangi it would be easier than looking at a pile of release notes :) 08:37 ashimema me too 08:37 rangi also if it was in the repo, then about.pl could pull from there too 08:38 rangi like we do with the history 08:38 rangi but for librarians to see what changed 08:39 rangi my plan for ages 08:39 rangi has been to have a page that just lists all the new sysprefs, since last upgrade 08:40 rangi so ppl can go try new features 08:40 rangi but i've never got round to doing anything about it 08:41 magnuse that would be super nice 08:42 ashimema I love the idea 08:42 * ashimema goes to meeting 08:44 * rangi wanders off for a bit 08:47 * Oak waves 08:48 magnuse Oak 08:55 Oak magnuse 08:56 magnuse \o/ 09:48 Archie^ is there a way to restrict search so it searches only in homebranch of patron? 10:02 paxed hm. so, uh, misc/cronjobs/update_totalissues.pl also updates the record 005 field. this is very much counterintuitive and feels wrong 10:23 ashimema that does feel a little odd 10:23 ashimema cait around? 10:24 * ashimema goes for :tea: 10:44 ashimema anyone here us the paidfor field? 10:44 ashimema I can only see that it's ever display on the moredetails page.. is that right? 10:44 ashimema or have I missed some occurence somewhere 10:45 ashimema also.. the lost status of the item 10:47 ashimema I note we have LOST auth values in the optional sql loads.. of which one is 'Lost and Paid for'.. should we not automatically be setting that (it if exists I suppose as it's optional) when the item is paid for? 11:27 Archie^ Hey, is there a way to restrict search so it shows only homebranch items in intra / opac? 11:30 oleonard Hi all 11:48 magnuse Archie^: there is a syspref called SeparateHoldings, but that will only split items into two tabs. i don't think it's possible to hide completely records that are not connected to the user's library 11:59 cait around now for a bit, phone call soon 12:00 ashimema I wondered if you could varfiy that paidfor is only displayed by moredetails.pl cait 12:03 cait i don't think we have used it 12:04 cait we havemostly special libraries and academics and are not evenusing the longoverdue cronjob right now 12:04 cait maybe better to ask wizzyrea or khall 12:05 ashimema okies 12:05 ashimema I've done an alternative for bug 19919 now 12:05 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19919 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Writing off a Lost Item Fee marks as "Paid for by patron" 12:05 ashimema think I prefer it but it makes the bug depend on the new status stuff 12:06 ashimema another good reason for someone to SO and QA bug 22563 12:06 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22563 enhancement, P4, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Convert lost handling to use 'status' instead of multiple accounttypes 12:18 Archie^ magnuse: what about books that have no items? Right now i have multiple books presented in search that have no Items, any way to hide it? 12:49 magnuse Archie^: there are settings to hide based on all sorts of atributes of the items, but i don't think there is a way to hide records without items 12:54 Archie^ magnuse: i wonder if it is possible to make these changes by developing some sort of plugin? 13:02 oleonard Ugh, why are all the prefs covered by Bug 22844 pipe-delimited but UniqueItemFields is space-delimited?? 13:02 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Simplify the process of selecting database columns for system preferences 13:11 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady 13:11 caroline_catlady hello! 13:11 caroline_catlady oh I forgot 13:11 caroline_catlady hi oleonard 13:11 wahanui hi oleopard 13:11 * caroline_catlady giggles 13:12 oleonard :D 13:18 magnuse hi oleonard 13:18 wahanui hi oleopard 13:35 vfernandes hi #koha 13:36 ashimema caroline_catlady: I'm not seeing you in any roles for 19.11 ? 13:36 vfernandes it's possible to checkout a book directly from the reserves without entering on patron page when a reserve is confirmed? 13:37 caroline_catlady yeah... I feel like I failed for 19.05, I was too busy with new migrations 13:38 ashimema :( 13:39 ashimema grr.. why is todays meeting not on the calendar 13:39 ashimema I was sure I added it 13:39 caroline_catlady what is the meeting today? general? 13:42 ashimema yup 13:42 ashimema documentation tomorrow 13:43 ashimema and dev on 15th 13:48 tcohen morning 13:50 caroline_catlady who takes care of lists.koha-community.org? I'm having trouble with the ssl I think? 13:50 caroline_catlady I'm trying to reject a spam email, but I always get a security message 13:50 tcohen caroline_catlady: biblibre 13:50 wahanui biblibre is 17.11 13:50 ashimema biblibre I think 13:59 wizzyrea hi 13:59 wahanui privet, wizzyrea 14:00 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 14:10 wizzyrea how we doin 14:15 * oleonard is trying to be a busy bee 14:17 oleonard ashimema++ # Release maintaining 14:17 wizzyrea oleonard, some days that is really hard 14:18 oleonard True. The worst for me is when the will is there but any kind of focus eludes me. 14:27 ashimema Bzzzzzx 14:31 oleonard ashimema: It looks like that buzz turned into a snore at the end 14:43 wizzyrea 100% yes that's what happened i reckon 14:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #80: UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/80/ 14:53 vero help please, some way to unify the Koha login with other software thanks 14:53 oleonard vero: This sounds like a complicated question. What other software are you wanting to integrate with? 14:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #74: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/74/ 14:58 vero Unify with your own software developed in php that does authentication by token 14:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #78: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/78/ 15:03 wizzyrea https://twitter.com/2nickels/status/1125846655574605825 THIS IS A THING and I am very excited and amazed and amused by it 15:03 wizzyrea vero, if you're thinking like drupal 15:03 wizzyrea somewhere out there is a plugin that uses SIP to connect to it 15:04 wizzyrea Catalyst IT in NZ have done an implementation to tie drupal and Koha together 15:04 wizzyrea it uses SIP 15:09 wizzyrea oleonard, you want a silly little thing? 15:10 oleonard Like a real-life Pokemon or something? 15:10 oleonard A porg? 15:10 wizzyrea hailey's done a patch for bug 22724 to remove the writeoff button if the permissions aren't there, but it leaves a weird gap in the table. if you want a probably simple thing, a follow up to make it purty might be nice? 15:10 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22724 major, P5 - low, ---, hayleymapley, Needs Signoff , Staff without writeoff permissions have access to 'Write off selected' button on Pay Fines tab 15:11 wizzyrea the function looks good 15:11 wizzyrea i wish I had a porg for you 15:12 oleonard Yeah thems are good eatin' 15:12 wizzyrea no no youre not supposed to eat them 15:12 wizzyrea only for pats 15:15 Scott_ I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask questions or if there is somewhere better. But, I was thrown into upgrading and partly managing our Koha instance which included upgrading Debian 6 to 9 and upgrading Koha from 3.18 to 18.11. After the upgrade I only have access to the OPAC screen and it's the system maintenance screen. I'm not sure how to get the staff page up, everything in the /koha-sites.conf looks correct AFAIK. 15:17 wizzyrea oh, welcome to our party 15:17 wizzyrea this is a great place to ask that 15:17 wizzyrea also that is a heroic effort 15:17 wizzyrea Scott_, ^ 15:18 wizzyrea so in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/$koha-instance.conf 15:18 wizzyrea you should see 2 virtualhosts 15:18 wizzyrea the 2nd is the staff interface 15:19 Scott_ I see that. 15:19 wizzyrea if you go to the named host specified there 15:19 wizzyrea do you get the upgrade screen? 15:19 wizzyrea or the ip/port combination that will be indicated there 15:20 Scott_ When I try to go to the named host, the computer can't find it. which may be a problem with the hosts/dns settings? The server name is rmuohp-intra.myDNSname.org 15:21 Scott_ I have changed it in koha-sites.config but it doesn't reflect the change in apache sites, do I have to manually update it there instead of restarting apache? 15:23 wizzyrea right if you change the name for the host, you hve to change it in apache 15:23 wizzyrea and restart apache 15:23 wizzyrea koha-sites really only manages what happens when a new instance is created 15:25 wizzyrea oleonard, sorry I think I was looking at the wrong thing, though there is still a weird gap in the table when permissions for writeoff arent there 15:26 oleonard Where's the gap? 15:26 wizzyrea in the actions column 15:26 wizzyrea next to pay 15:26 wizzyrea it's wider than it needs to be 15:26 wizzyrea on accounting 15:27 oleonard I think that's just because of the width of the header 15:27 wizzyrea or it's not centered or idk 15:27 wizzyrea maybe it's dumb to worry about 15:27 wizzyrea i accept that as an answer 15:30 Scott_ @wizzyrea, I believe I had changed it correctly, but I can't browse to it still. I would think I should be able to browse to it using localhost:8081 on the machine. 15:30 huginn` Scott_: I've exhausted my database of quotes 15:32 wizzyrea hmm 15:33 wizzyrea what do you have in there for your named host? rmuohp-intra.myDNSname.org ? 15:34 wizzyrea in apache, not koha-sites 15:34 wizzyrea you can do things like 15:34 wizzyrea add 15:34 wizzyrea 127.0.0.1 kohadev.myDNSname.org kohadev-intra.myDNSname.org 15:34 wizzyrea to your /etc/hosts on the machine 15:34 wizzyrea and then you can use the name 15:35 wizzyrea we have a paste bin, paste.koha-community.org if you want to paste what's in your apache config 15:35 Scott_ It was rmuohp-intra.mydnsname.org and I had changed it to the correct domain name reflecting in koha-sites.config 15:35 Scott_ I'll paste it 15:36 wizzyrea that'll help :) 15:44 Scott_ I believe I shared that 15:44 wizzyrea hm you got the link? 15:45 Scott_ http://paste.koha-community.org/2664?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21 15:46 wizzyrea and if you go to rmuohp-intra.rm.edu that doesn't work? 15:46 wizzyrea does it work if you get rid of the 8081, and replace it with 80 (and restart apache) 15:47 wizzyrea I mean, that is assuming that you've got that name pointed to the IP of this box 15:47 Scott_ I can get the ip to work on port 80 and that takes me to the system maintenace screen 15:48 wizzyrea right ok 15:48 Scott_ But if I use port 8081 I just get site can't be reached 15:48 wizzyrea so i'd change the 8081 to 80 and restart apache 15:48 wizzyrea and use the name 15:48 wizzyrea either by adding it to your local /etc/hosts 15:48 wizzyrea or updating the dns 15:49 wizzyrea (you'll need to update the name for the opac as well, that's the top vhost) 15:49 Scott_ I flipped the ports of the OPAC and Staff and it took me to the login screen 15:50 Scott_ using the ip and port 80 takes me to the login screen 15:50 wizzyrea yep so yeah 15:51 wizzyrea you just need to sort out your ports and your names and it all should work 15:51 wizzyrea you can use 80 for both 15:51 wizzyrea koha uses named vhosts 15:51 Scott_ Okay, I can try that. 15:52 wizzyrea so when you go to the intranet, you'd use the rmuohp-intra.rm.edu name 15:52 wizzyrea and for the opac 15:53 wizzyrea rmuohp.myDNSname.org 15:53 wizzyrea if you *had* to use IP 15:53 wizzyrea you'd want to use the ports 15:54 wizzyrea it could be that you just don't have 8081 enabled 15:54 wizzyrea in /etc/apache2/ports.conf 15:54 wizzyrea i hope I'm making sense you seem like a fellow who mostly knows what you're doing 15:54 wizzyrea person 15:54 Scott_ Yeah you're making sense 15:54 wizzyrea great :D 15:54 Scott_ 8081 isn't in ports.conf so I'll add it there 15:55 cait wizzyrea: i had a blank screen instead of the installer - missing rewrite rules for js/css (18.05 change i think) 15:55 cait could that be related to your problem? 15:55 cait they are not automatically added 15:55 wizzyrea it *could* be but they're getting the login screen 15:56 wizzyrea and it's more of a "not connected" 15:56 wizzyrea than a "blank" 15:56 wizzyrea it seems to be working when he flips the ports around 15:56 cait i had the login screen come up in between (plack/memcached restart) 15:56 cait just a thought o rmight be the next problem to run into 15:56 wizzyrea that may be the next problem hehe yeah exactly 15:57 Scott_ I added the port and guess what it fixed my problem. 15:57 Scott_ Who could've ever guessed /s 15:57 wizzyrea :D 15:57 wizzyrea confetti 15:57 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 15:59 wizzyrea let us know if you get stuck again 15:59 Scott_ will do! 15:59 Scott_ I appreciate your help 15:59 wizzyrea np at all 16:01 wizzyrea ashimema, about? 16:02 wizzyrea for bug 22610 did you have some sip emulator commands you were using to test? 16:02 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , SIP Payment Types should be moved out of accountype 16:03 wizzyrea not required obv I can build one up but if you have one handy that'd be nice 16:15 wizzyrea it's a good sign when they leave after you help 16:17 caroline_catlady wizzyrea++ 16:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #81: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/81/ 16:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #79: STILL UNSTABLE in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/79/ 16:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #266: STILL UNSTABLE in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/266/ 16:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #75: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/75/ 16:43 caroline_catlady oh my god... There are more than 6000 loans on one card (in their old system, this client had a card for weeded items, probably because there was no such thing as a weeded status) and Koha won't delete them because they are loaned 16:43 caroline_catlady is there a way to batch return? 16:43 caroline_catlady or force deletion? 16:44 oleonard Delete the corresponding entries from the issues table maybe? 16:44 caroline_catlady I still want to keep a trace in deleteditems and old_issues just in case they need statistics 16:45 caroline_catlady Yeah I thought about deleting them right out of the table, but I'm afraid to forget something 16:46 oleonard Too bad talljoy isn't arround, seems like something she'd know 16:46 caroline_catlady At least it's only this much in the test database... in the live db, they only have around 1000 16:47 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #274: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/274/ 16:48 caroline_catlady I'll go have lunch... maybe I will find inspiration in my salad... 16:48 caroline_catlady meeting is in a hour right? 16:53 cait oh right 17:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #263: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/263/ 17:23 caroline_catlady back! 17:23 caroline_catlady unfortunately, no inspo in salads... 17:24 * oleonard prints that on a t-shirt 17:26 oleonard https://media.giphy.com/media/fKfFwRQTR8QHm/giphy.gif 17:26 caroline_catlady XD 17:32 philor what's the right resolution for a bug that was fixed in passing by another bug, duplicate or worksforme? 17:36 caroline_catlady good question 17:38 caroline_catlady maybe ashimema would know 17:39 cait i have to run - but i will try to be on time for th emeeting, maybe 5 mins late 17:40 cait it's raining... eek. 17:50 tcohen philor: I'd say duplicate 17:50 philor thanks, will do 17:55 tcohen philor: you can actually add your explanation of why you think is a duplicate, for later reference 17:56 philor tcohen: yeah, I did, before I realized I had editbugs and could mark it myself :) 17:59 cait back 18:00 davidnind cait: your timing is excellent! 18:01 * cait catches breath 18:01 cait kidclamp: ? 18:01 * kidclamp waves 18:01 kidclamp hereish but can't chair 18:02 cait i can do it, but can i get some helpers? 18:02 kidclamp have to get kid in a bit 18:02 caroline_catlady I can co-chair 18:02 cait thx :) 18:02 cait give me a sec, just pulling up the agenda 18:02 cait hm, does the wiki work for everyone? 18:03 caroline_catlady not working for me 18:03 cait bad bad timing 18:03 cait gmcharlt? 18:03 wahanui gmcharlt is usually lurking much earlier.. hense ashimema's pointing him out 18:03 caroline_catlady ah it appeared 18:04 cait same 18:04 cait ok 18:04 cait let's start :) 18:04 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 8 May 2019 18:04 huginn` Meeting started Wed May 8 18:04:47 2019 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:04 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:04 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_may_2019' 18:04 cait #topic Introductions 18:04 cait please introduce yourself using #info 18:05 cait #chair caroline_catlady 18:05 huginn` Current chairs: cait caroline_catlady 18:05 cait #chair kidclamp 18:05 huginn` Current chairs: cait caroline_catlady kidclamp 18:05 Charles_Quain #info Charles Quain Interleaf Technology 18:05 caroline_catlady #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro 18:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 18:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:05 georgew #info George Williams - Northeast Kansas Library System 18:05 lisettelatah #info Lisette Scheer, Latah County Library District, Moscow, Idaho 18:05 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_8_May_2019 Today's agenda 18:05 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 18:05 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 18:06 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 18:06 cait i will give it alittle more time 18:07 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 18:07 cait ping people that are lurking :) 18:07 cait khall: lukeG ? 18:08 cait ok, moving on in a second 18:08 cait #topic Announcements 18:08 cait anyone? :) 18:09 georgew koha-US is accepting proposals for our conference in September 18:09 cait #info koha-US is accepting proposals for its conference in September 18:09 cait thx! 18:09 caroline_catlady argh you out-info'd me ;) 18:09 georgew And I'm trying to post the link but I can't find it AAAA 18:10 lisettelatah #link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfUyOAowsiGoOwAI_jj_YIiMRbIlbZgvSkSDuoDMjzFVkb51Q/viewform?usp=sf_link 18:10 cait :) 18:10 georgew Thanks lisettelatah 18:10 cait moving on! 18:10 cait #topic Updates on releases 18:10 cait Rmaints? 18:10 wahanui Rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints 18:10 cait RM? 18:10 cait kidclamp? 18:10 wahanui it has been said that kidclamp is reply i guess kidclamp is the first RM not to be bribed 18:11 cait #info We have reached feature freeze and are approaching feature slush on 10 May 18:12 cait i hope things are on track ;) 18:12 cait moving on? 18:12 cait ah 18:12 cait sec 18:13 cait #link https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/blob/master/release_notes_18_12_00.md pre-release notes for 19.05 18:13 cait #info Help needed to add more info to the release notes using the notes field in bugzilla for release notes 18:13 cait hope that makes sense 18:14 cait moving on! 18:14 cait #topic KohaCon19 18:14 cait Charles_Quain? 18:14 Charles_Quain All going well 18:14 Charles_Quain #info 187 delegates signed up 18:15 Charles_Quain #info all speaking slots and workshops filled 18:15 Charles_Quain #info Huge thanks to our donors 18:15 cait nice :) 18:15 Charles_Quain finalising the Culture Day outings this week 18:16 Charles_Quain looking forward to seeing everyone in Dublin in 2 weeks 18:16 kidclamp ah yes, things are cool, fix the bugs, be execellent to eac hother 18:16 cait heh 18:17 Charles_Quain if anyone has questions around the wider Dublin stuff, feel free to email me directly. 18:17 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon19/Social Info about people arriving/leaving and pubs 18:17 cait also add yourself if you want to :) 18:18 Charles_Quain I put a few names on the pub list, but didnt want to do too many in case I gave a bad impression of my social life! 18:18 cait of living in Dublin? :) 18:18 ashimema_ grr, seems my irc connection is dead again..! 18:18 Charles_Quain some great pubs to be sampled. 18:19 ashimema_ sorry I missed most of the meeting.. was sitting waiting for it to begin! 18:19 cait ashimemaanything to add to Kohacon? 18:19 ashimema_ no idea what's been said 18:19 ashimema_ literally just joined 18:19 ashimema_ :( 18:19 cait anything about the workshops maybe? 18:20 cait we heard all slots are filled 18:20 Charles_Quain There is a google form for those who want to sign up - sent out via eventbrite. Give me a sec and I'll send the link 18:20 ashimema_ Nothing really to add to that 18:21 ashimema_ Workshops attendance looks like a nice spread. 18:21 caroline_catlady what if we can't decide? 18:21 Charles_Quain https://forms.gle/KrHt5FxwvWt9jm8c7 18:21 caroline_catlady will we be refused at the door? 18:21 Charles_Quain Not at all. 18:21 cait :) 18:21 Charles_Quain The doorman can be bribed! 18:22 cait i might switch if the technical ones are too hard... :) 18:22 * cait will bring extra chocolate 18:22 cait did you plan for a sweets table? 18:22 caroline_catlady bringing maple candies for bribes 18:22 Charles_Quain Well, Interleaf is famous for giving away small jars of jelly beans at conferences... 18:22 ashimema_ It's just so we can guestimate the numbers and allocate rooms suitably.. change welcome on the day.. I may even shift the program around a little if I get the overwhelming feeling that two really popular one's overlap ;) 18:23 cait cool 18:23 cait ok, moving on? 18:24 cait might on longer torture the ones not being able to attend 18:24 cait not longer... 18:24 cait #topic Elections! 18:24 cait no veto, so moving on :) 18:24 cait main part of today's meeting 18:25 cait I see we had some last minute additions, very happy :) 18:25 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.11 Proposals for 19.11 release team 18:25 tcohen \o/ 18:25 wizzyrea #Liz Rea, doer of things 18:25 cait main event 18:25 tcohen can I veto the absense of rangi on the QA team? 18:25 cait please review the page and ask any questions you have 18:26 cait tcohen: shame on me for not noticing until now he had escaped! 18:26 cait i think we can still fix that a little later 18:26 tcohen we can volunteer him of course ;-) 18:26 ashimema_ rangi on qa++ 18:27 Joubu Previous RMs are part of the QA team de facto, iirc :) 18:27 ashimema_ confident we can bend his arm 18:27 cait also, if you want to sign up and haven't yet, please do now :) 18:27 cait and give us a little heads up so we can hit refresh 18:27 tcohen hola Yonatán 18:27 ashimema_ oh really Joubu, I wasn't aware of that one 18:27 cait not sure if it's documented 18:27 cait i htink they are part of security group 18:27 cait not sure about qa 18:28 wizzyrea well if it isn't a rule it should be :P 18:28 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, doer of things 18:28 cait any questions? :) 18:28 cait someone still not sure who needs a little encouragement? 18:28 wizzyrea this all seems fine to me? 18:28 cait ashimema: shibboleth? ;) 18:28 ashimema_ happy to be cait 18:29 cait ok, my plan is to vote for the whole team in one big vote 18:29 cait if that receives no veto 18:29 wizzyrea fine by me 18:29 caroline_catlady +1 18:29 ashimema_ I mostly went for RM and didn't think it hugely appropriate to do other things at the same time that may conflict.. 18:29 thd ++ 18:29 ashimema_ +1 on whole team vote 18:29 davidnind +1 18:29 cait #startvote Shall we vote on the whole release team 19.11 in one big vote as listed on the wiki page? (yes,no,abstain) 18:29 huginn` Begin voting on: Shall we vote on the whole release team 19.11 in one big vote as listed on the wiki page? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 18:29 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:30 thd #vote ye 18:30 cait ashimema: i kind of forgot :) 18:30 huginn` thd: ye is not a valid option. Valid options are , yes, no, abstain, . 18:30 wizzyrea #vote yes 18:30 thd #vote yes 18:30 caroline_catlady this is a vote on the vote? 18:30 cait #vote yes 18:30 cait yep 18:30 lisettelatah #vote yes 18:30 caroline_catlady #vote yes 18:30 georgew #vote yes 18:30 cait vote on the method... vote vote next :) 18:30 davidnind #vote yes 18:30 tcohen #vote yes 18:31 cait 5 18:31 cait 4 18:31 cait 3 18:31 cait 2 18:31 cait 1 18:31 ashimema_ #vote yes 18:31 cait ... 18:31 Joubu #vote yes 18:31 cait #endvote 18:31 huginn` Voted on "Shall we vote on the whole release team 19.11 in one big vote as listed on the wiki page?" Results are 18:31 huginn` yes (10): Joubu, georgew, caroline_catlady, cait, lisettelatah, davidnind, wizzyrea, tcohen, thd, ashimema_ 18:31 cait ok, preparing the vote vote sec 18:31 cait hm, i might need help to phrase a question 18:32 Joubu questions about the proposal, maybe? :) 18:32 wizzyrea Accept the whole team documented as at whatever the time is now UTC at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.11 18:32 cait i#ve asked for questions before :) 18:32 cait wizzyrea: that's not a question :) 18:32 cait the voting thing wants something that ends with ? 18:32 wizzyrea oh I thought you were asking for the question for the vote 18:33 Joubu sorry, did not see it, I have a question then 18:33 wizzyrea well put a ? on the end 18:33 wizzyrea lol 18:33 wizzyrea but it might mess up the url 18:33 cait Joubu first 18:33 Joubu I'd like to know how Martin plans to "introduce more collaboration between parties" 18:33 ashimema_ I had hoped to already mail a few company directors but time got away from me 18:34 ashimema_ my hope is to grab a chat with support company purse string holders and get an idea of where they're wanting to focus efforts the next couple of cycles.. spot overlaps and try to get them to agree to time them nicely to collaborate rather than us all being out of sync 18:34 ashimema_ that's an initial plan anyway.. 18:35 Joubu Also, no more "refactoring" or "improve unit tests" bullets on the list. Which means you think we reached a goal already? 18:36 ashimema_ No, I hope to continue to encourage that.. I just forgot to mention it.. the 'improve unit tests' I feel is a given at all times now 18:36 Joubu ashimema_: ok good plan, just remember it is what I tried :) I hope you will have more chance than me ;) 18:36 ashimema_ we're in better habbits as a community (though we need to keep striving for improvements) 18:36 wizzyrea well continuous improvement is an excellent goal to have 18:36 caroline_catlady what a great community we have :) 18:36 cait also please... no big big patches 18:37 cait small steps 18:37 Joubu well, it depends on several things, but most of the time yes, no big patches :) 18:37 ashimema_ those are all general things I think we as a team are looking for.. I am happy to mention them specifically though 18:37 Joubu thanks ashimema_ :) 18:38 tcohen ashimema++ 18:38 ashimema_ I'd say "If you're looking to do a big patch, get a team behind you before submitting it" 18:38 ashimema_ meaning, get a SO and QA person on side first and work with them whilst writing it rather than having it all land as a surprise 18:38 cait that's a good approach 18:38 wizzyrea and be ready for your inevitable followups 18:38 wizzyrea and your bug fixing 18:38 wizzyrea don't drop it and disappear 18:39 cait and write some helpful docs on how to use X :) 18:39 cait we got our wish list, now just have to work towards it 18:39 Joubu or... wait for it pushed and disappear 18:39 wizzyrea yeah that's frustrating 18:39 * ashimema_ suggests wizzyrea for a tame SO person.. and I'm sure almost anyone QA wise would be keen to be involved in such bugs early 18:39 wizzyrea haha you called me tame. 18:40 wizzyrea ok you're right 18:40 ashimema_ tame as in friendly ;( 18:40 wizzyrea fine. 18:40 ashimema_ ;) 18:40 wizzyrea :) 18:40 ashimema_ even 18:40 wizzyrea but yes I am friendly and also opinionated. 18:40 wizzyrea >.> 18:40 wizzyrea <.< 18:40 cait opinions are good, base for discussion 18:41 wizzyrea but anyway vote nao? 18:41 cait Joubu: are you satisfied with the answers? 18:41 Joubu I will ask more later, do not worry ;) 18:41 Joubu yes, let's vote! 18:41 cait #startvote Do you elect the release team for 19.11 as listed on the wiki at this time? (yes,no,abstain) 18:41 huginn` Begin voting on: Do you elect the release team for 19.11 as listed on the wiki at this time? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . 18:41 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 18:42 cait #vote yes 18:42 caroline_catlady #vote yes 18:42 davidnind #vote yes 18:42 lisettelatah #vote yes 18:42 Joubu #vote yes 18:42 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:42 wahanui Congratulations! 18:42 wizzyrea #vote yes 18:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #76: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/76/ 18:42 thd #vote yes 18:42 cait I am especially happy about the new names on this list! 18:42 georgew #vote yes 18:43 ashimema_ #vote yes 18:43 tcohen #vote yes 18:44 cait giving it another moment :) 18:44 Joubu koha-jenkins and wahanui take part in the vote! 18:44 wizzyrea i love that they have a wee bot conversation 18:44 wizzyrea whenever the build is fixed. 18:44 cait #endvote 18:44 huginn` Voted on "Do you elect the release team for 19.11 as listed on the wiki at this time?" Results are 18:44 huginn` yes (10): Joubu, georgew, caroline_catlady, cait, lisettelatah, davidnind, wizzyrea, ashimema_, thd, tcohen 18:44 ashimema_ oh.. I missed that there are no wiki curators this time around.. interesting 18:44 cait congratulations everyone! we got a new release team! 18:45 ashimema_ :) 18:45 wizzyrea \o/ 18:45 Joubu congrats ashimema! And good luck! ;) 18:45 ashimema_ Thanks mate :) 18:45 tcohen this will be great, ashimema 18:46 cait ashimema_++ :) 18:46 tcohen ashimema++ 18:46 wizzyrea I think it's gonna be fun :D 18:46 cait it's named team for a reason :) 18:46 wizzyrea away just a minute 18:47 cait moving on :) 18:47 * ashimema_ is looking forward to it all now.. I feel we've got a a great team there 18:47 cait #topic Time for next meeting 18:48 cait i think we always do first wednesday of the month 18:48 cait June 5 18:48 cait which time? 18:48 thd almost always 18:48 cait may 1 was a holida yin a lot of places 18:49 thd Yes, holidays and other major events should be avoided. 18:49 cait can someone help with the next time slot? 18:49 ashimema_ works for me 18:49 cait it looks like april had 14 utc 18:49 caroline_catlady is there a rotation for times? 18:50 * ashimema_ quickly converts that to bst 18:50 thd Yes, 14 UTC has been used recently. 18:50 cait 4 pm here 18:50 cait shoudl be 3pm uk? 18:51 ashimema_ yup, 3pm 18:51 cait good? 18:51 thd I am uncertain whether we have had drift from preferences as summer time winter time clocks have changed. 18:51 ashimema_ that's OK for me.. though I'll be coming from the mobile phone for some of it (school pickup time) 18:51 cait i think one hour earlier might be slightly better for catching people at work 18:52 cait hm it will be your first RM general :) 18:52 ashimema_ indeed 18:52 ashimema_ could be fun 18:52 cait would be one hour earlier work better? 18:52 ashimema_ it would for me 18:52 cait everyon ok with 13 UTC? 18:52 caroline_catlady +1 18:53 ashimema_ :) 18:53 cait #info Next meeting: 5 June 2019, 13 UTC 18:53 cait #endmeeting 18:53 huginn` Meeting ended Wed May 8 18:53:08 2019 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 18:53 huginn` Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/general_irc_meeting_8_may_2019.2019-05-08-18.04.html 18:53 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/general_irc_meeting_8_may_2019.2019-05-08-18.04.txt 18:53 huginn` Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2019/general_irc_meeting_8_may_2019.2019-05-08-18.04.log.html 18:53 cait thx for attending everyone! 18:53 davidnind cait++ 18:53 ashimema_ cait++ 18:53 lisettelatah cait++ 18:53 ashimema_ apologies for the really late arrival there guys.. silly IRC client faliure 18:53 * ashimema_ goes back to read the minutes and see what he missed 18:53 cait it happens :) 18:54 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:54 wahanui Congratulations! 18:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #80: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/80/ 18:54 ashimema_ awesome thing to finish the day on there koha-jenkins :) 18:55 tcohen cait++ 18:56 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:56 wahanui Congratulations! 18:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #82: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/82/ 18:57 cait koha-jenkins: is celebrating 18:57 koha-jenkins cait did you mean me? Unknown command 'is' 18:57 koha-jenkins Use '!koha-jenkins help' to get help! 19:03 wizzyrea ashimema_, about 19:03 ashimema_ was about to step away.. 19:03 ashimema_ but fire away 19:04 wizzyrea I wanted to test bug 22610 wondering if you had a sip string 19:04 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , SIP Payment Types should be moved out of accountype 19:04 wizzyrea and how do you get Pay01 entries in your DB 19:04 wizzyrea I promise I won't bother after this lol 19:04 ashimema_ ohh.. fun 19:04 ashimema_ erm 19:05 ashimema yeah.. testing SIP sucks 19:05 ashimema I'm afraid I don't really have anything to hand :( 19:05 wizzyrea well a sip string or a sipemulator thing 19:06 wizzyrea it's ok I can make one up 19:06 wizzyrea i just thought if you had one from when you were developing that it would be handy 19:07 ashimema basically.. SIP transactions contain a type string somewhere which is 01, 02 or 03 in 99% of cases (or missing or another numeric in others).. it's that string and it used to just get concatenated onto 'Pay' 19:07 ashimema this is one of those where I mostly coded it by reading the logic.. I did get colin_c to give it a quick once over and he seemed confident (and Kyle has also taken a quick look too) 19:08 ashimema but yeah.. I'm afraid I haven't got an emulator to hand at all :( 19:08 ashimema Kyle might be a good bet? 19:08 wizzyrea right, oki so they get in there via SIP 19:08 wizzyrea I see 19:08 wizzyrea that's alright I think maybe I can work something out. We really ought to have a library of these things. 19:09 ashimema thanks for looking at it.. it'll be another nice little step to having clearer codes and translatability and things 19:09 ashimema yeah.. I agree 19:10 wizzyrea the emulator in misc/sip_cli_emulator.pl does work well for testing 19:10 wizzyrea it's just fiddly. :) 19:10 * ashimema now realises he didn't hit those patches with the test suit.. wonder if we test that area properly already.. I'll need to write a test 19:10 wizzyrea oh 19:10 * ashimema just failed qa on his own patch.. grr.. curse my haist 19:11 wizzyrea lulz 19:11 wizzyrea well if it makes you feel better 19:11 wizzyrea they currently pass :P 19:11 ashimema it would be great to have some feedback/user testing.. but I will certainly write a test for it now I've spotted that it's not tested 19:11 ashimema oops :S 19:12 * wizzyrea gets out the wet spaghetti noodle for your flogging 19:12 wizzyrea j/k 19:12 ashimema right.. best dissapear for a bit now I'm afraid.. other half would like to see me again this evening.. ;) 19:12 wizzyrea no flogging 19:12 wizzyrea yes 19:12 cait wizzyrea: maybe you could continue testing? tests could be added later 19:12 wizzyrea I'd be happy to 19:12 wizzyrea unit tests are great but I feel my role is more to be concerned by the function ^.^ 19:13 wizzyrea unless the unit tests aren't passing then I'd kick it out before even tryin git 19:13 wizzyrea there are bigger brains up the chain from me to say "hey that code is dumb" 19:13 cait that' sok :) 19:14 cait i'll actually try to encourage librarians in that way at kohacon 19:14 cait to care about functionality and tell us what concerns them, let others worry about code 19:14 cait (testing workshop) 19:14 wizzyrea well it feels, i think, more approachable that way 19:15 indradg cait++ 19:19 ashimema Testing workshop is the second most popular workshop btw Cait.. after elastic search 19:19 ashimema Your gonna have loads of eager volunteers. 😊 19:31 caroline_catlady ashimema, I seem to remember you wrote a wiki page about the development process? Or was it the development cycle? 19:32 caroline_catlady I'm looking for an explanation on how a request goes from a new bugzilla to being pushed to master 19:33 caroline_catlady ah found it https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_workflow 19:33 ashimema That rings a bell 19:34 ashimema Oh, nice page. 19:35 ashimema Not mine,. Though I vaguely render writing something similar.. that one looks great though. 19:36 ashimema I don't think I've seen a QA branch pushed in years though so that syrup can probably go 19:36 wizzyrea yeah no 19:36 wizzyrea that was an experiment that kinda went by the wayside 19:36 wizzyrea it was supposed to be a way to get bigger patches in 19:37 davidnind caroline_catlady: cait and rangi 19:37 wizzyrea it kinda morphed into the topic experts thing 19:37 caroline_catlady hello! 19:38 caroline_catlady ashimema, wizzyrea ok so I'll edit that 19:38 caroline_catlady it's juste step 3 that's got to go? 19:39 wizzyrea sure, the branches thing can go away 19:39 wizzyrea :) 19:39 caroline_catlady sending this over to a writer for an article so it has to be correct :) 19:39 davidnind caroline_catlady: cait's presentation from KohaCon18 is great as well https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BykzTQzIx62RLS1BZWI5dmlIODR3TXhZUEdma2dyTDdJSlo0/view?usp=sharing 19:40 caroline_catlady thx davidnind! 19:43 ashimema wizzyrea ++ thanks for the feedback.. certainly looks like I've got something wrong.. will hit it first thing tomorrow 19:44 wizzyrea i don't know if it's *wrong* 19:45 wizzyrea but libraries will definitely want to know if a payment was cash or card or whatever 19:45 wizzyrea also sip cli emulator :) 19:45 wizzyrea that's the kind of thing i was hoping for ^.^ 19:45 cait sorry, long phone call 19:45 cait reading back later 19:46 cait ashimema: that's a little scarry :) i hope to recruit some more helpers 19:47 cait uh any question for me left? :) 19:47 wizzyrea do you have enough chocolate 19:48 caroline_catlady never enough chocolate, what kind of question is that? 19:48 wizzyrea correctprocedure 19:48 caroline_catlady and never enough ice cream! 19:49 wizzyrea I am spoiled on chocolate, nz has the best chocolate 19:49 wizzyrea sorry germany, it's true. 19:49 caroline_catlady I thought it was belgium 19:49 wizzyrea or belgium 19:49 wizzyrea whatever, nz chocolate = best. 19:49 wizzyrea >.> 19:49 caroline_catlady I remember having the worst tummy ache after going to a chocolate factory in belgium 19:50 caroline_catlady They had FREE samples of EVERYTHING!! 19:50 rangi davidnind: what did i do now? 19:50 wizzyrea be awesome. per usual. 19:51 wizzyrea caroline_catlady, that would certainly cause me to get a chocolate tummy ache 19:51 wizzyrea but i might be thinking/saying "I regret nothing!!!!" 19:52 wizzyrea https://media.giphy.com/media/rrhDzw5FwPpFC/giphy.gif 19:52 caroline_catlady lol same!! 19:53 caroline_catlady https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/257/271/a8d.jpg 19:53 wizzyrea bahaha 19:53 davidnind rangi: ? (might have accidentally done something when posting link to presentation) 19:53 wizzyrea oh 19:53 wizzyrea you aren't on the qa team list anymore 19:53 wizzyrea and they were wanting to twist your arm to be on it 19:54 caroline_catlady davidnind: you pinged me cait and rangi earlier 19:55 cait well they do sell german chocolate in nz.... so 19:56 cait naw... not twist his arm 19:56 cait just auto-put him on qa as formar RM 19:56 davidnind oops! not sure how I did that (plus y computer froze up earlier as well):-D 19:56 davidnind y = my 19:59 caroline_catlady no prob :) 19:59 ashimema Mine too.. right as the meeting started 20:00 ashimema Yes... rangi we want you for QA team.. 😉 20:00 caroline_catlady I saw that a bunch of ppl got kicked out during the meeting too 20:01 * cait has to go out into the rain to bring hte garbage out *grumbes* 20:01 cait brb 20:01 ashimema For me it was matrix.org having more problems.. their oftc IRC bridge went down.. seems I found a whole in their active monitoring too 20:01 ashimema Shame. Matrix used to be soo reliable for me 20:02 wizzyrea ok kiddo pickup time 20:02 wizzyrea afk 20:02 rangi ashimema: i thought i might sit this cycle out, first one in years (ever?) that i havent had a role 20:02 davidnind caroline_catlady cait: has chocolate https://photos.app.goo.gl/tmn3AXFa96yUQuGB9 20:03 * cait pouts because he fled her team 20:03 rangi hehe 20:03 cait ooooh dark salted caramel.... 20:03 cait the jelly tip thing looks interesting 20:04 cait i have made a stash too.... special requests still possible :) 20:04 caroline_catlady same here! 20:04 caroline_catlady I was thinking maple butter candies (if I can find any) or maple sugar cones, and ketchup chips 20:04 rangi ohhh now davidnind has all that, im gonna have to think up something different! 20:05 caroline_catlady davidnind: you're leaving soon right? 20:05 ashimema No worries rangi, we were just all surprised.. 20:05 rangi :) 20:06 rangi ill probably just try to write some code and do some signoffs :) 20:06 * ashimema now contemplates whether that's a vote of confidence or a hands up in the air despair.. hehe 20:06 ashimema Cool, 😊. Sometimes it's really nice to be able to concentrate on that stuff again. 20:07 rangi also id like to do some stuff with the manual to get translations being pulled nightly etc 20:08 cait cool :) 20:08 ashimema I hugely enjoyed my hiatus whist on rebus:list and came back so much happier and appreciative of Koha as a whole.. though also occasionally driven to moments of despair still too.. but things certainly seem to be improving rapidly now 20:08 cait reminds me.. i forwarded you an email from bernardo 20:08 cait i am a little lost there, can you take the ball? 20:08 rangi yep ill read it tonight 20:08 ashimema Awesome. 20:08 cait sent to work email i think, because from work 20:09 ashimema I never replied to your thread cait, wasn't ignoring it. Was just still contemplating it. 20:09 davidnind caroline_catlady: leaving this Sunday evening, doing this tour before kohacon https://www.rabbies.com/en/ireland-tours/from-dublin/4-5-day-tours/escape-to-west-5-day-tour 20:10 davidnind rangi: there is never enough chocolate... 20:10 ashimema Very cool davidnind. Sure it'll be lovely 20:10 rangi davidnind: true :) 20:11 caroline_catlady nice! 20:12 caroline_catlady Ireland and UK have been on my bucket list forever. One week in Dublin is a start 20:12 cait ashimema: he was asking if sending the patches as emaisl would help i think 20:12 cait to automate 20:13 rangi davidnind: that tour looks great! I'll be looking forward to seeing the photos 20:17 davidnind rangi: will see what I can do, loving Alex's photos from his trip. 20:17 rangi yeah :) 20:18 cait i was in dublin in tenth grade... 16 or so? 20:18 cait we weren't allowed in any pubs :) 20:20 cait was still fun 20:26 rangi heh 20:34 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 20:34 wahanui Congratulations! 20:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #275: FIXED in 18 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/275/ 20:36 Joubu Yippee, build fixed! 20:36 wahanui Congratulations! 20:36 Joubu ha! I knew it! 20:40 rangi heh 20:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #267: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/267/ 21:01 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 21:01 wahanui Congratulations! 21:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #264: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/264/ 21:30 caroline_catlady I'll be off the grid until (and during) kohacon send me an email if you need me 21:43 cait oh missed caroline 21:44 cait Joubu++ thx for bug 11853 21:44 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11853 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cannot clear date of birth via OPAC patron update 21:46 Joubu it was tricky! 22:02 cait I believe you, I looked it and didn#t come with an idea 22:02 cait it's clear what goes wrong... but was not sure how to fix 22:27 wizzyrea and that's signed off 22:27 wizzyrea :) 22:28 wizzyrea https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22724 hm how are we feeling about her followup here 22:28 huginn` Bug 22724: major, P5 - low, ---, hayleymapley, Needs Signoff , Staff without writeoff permissions have access to 'Write off selected' button on Pay Fines tab 22:28 wizzyrea i'm not sure 22:30 wizzyrea kidclamp ^ is that what you had in mind (it's not exactly what I had in mind but might suffice...)