Time  Nick          Message
19:50 alexbuckley   hi wizzyrea and cait!
19:49 wizzyrea      hi alexbuckley
19:46 cait          it was ok
19:46 wizzyrea      did you have a nice weekend cait
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19:34 cait          hi wizzyrea
19:34 wizzyrea      hi cait
19:31 * cait        waves
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19:24 gmcharlt      lukeG++
19:07 kathryn       hi wizzyrea :)
19:06 wizzyrea      hi kathryn
18:57 oleonard      Bye all
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18:39 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
18:30 kidclamp      I knwo we discussed it but don't know if open bug
18:30 kidclamp      running out for pickup will check in a bit
18:28 oleonard      Maybe kidclamp knows?
18:14 wizzyrea      pass
18:14 Marjorie      Hi, I start with the configuration of the ES search engine. Is there a way to set which fields are searchable in the keyword index (kw) in admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.pl? Is there a development planned for this?
17:59 gmcharlt      lukeG: please send me your SSH public key
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17:44 caroline1     They think item types are for items (which is logical)
17:44 caroline1     I often get questions from confused clients who are trying to delete item types, but it is still used in the record (field 942$c)
17:44 oleonard      I thought there was more because I thought i'd cleaned up all the records, but I missed one
17:43 oleonard      caroline1: Looking at the code it looks like it checks through items and biblioitems
17:41 caroline1     oleonard, did you find your answer about the item type deletion?
17:33 ashimema      hehe
17:30 oleonard      wizzyrea: I think your job title entitles you to (checking notes), oh yes... "Bust heads on Bugzilla."
17:29 ashimema      oh noes.. don't jump off the cliff wizzyrea
17:29 ashimema      gmcharlt is usually lurking much earlier.. hense my pointing him out
17:22 wizzyrea      someone talk me off a cliff
17:22 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22333 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Replace duplicated code in CanBookBeRenewed with GetSoonestRenewDate
17:22 wizzyrea      bug 22333 the comments there make me a bit >:(
17:20 wizzyrea      they both can :) just whoever answers first - it's gonna be early for NZ yet
17:20 ashimema      not somewhere I have the gift I'm afraid lukeG
17:19 ashimema      gmcharlt can
17:19 wizzyrea      or maybe gmcharlt
17:18 wizzyrea      paging rangi
17:16 lukeG         does anyone know who can give me access rights to download.koha-community? im trying to roll the 18.05.x release and right now only JesseM can do it…
17:11 wizzyrea      i'm not sure about fine type things
17:11 wizzyrea      i believe it checks whether there is an active hold on, whether the item is checked out
17:10 oleonard      does it check bibliographic data? (as opposed to items)
17:09 oleonard      The "record in use" error message is unhelpful.
17:09 oleonard      Does anyone know offhand what is checked when you try to delete an item type?
17:02 caroline1     bbl
17:00 reiveune      bye
16:53 oleonard      Quitting before your first day is definitely a burnt bridge!
16:52 ashimema      wow.. this is a fun one
16:52 ashimema      sounded like it
16:52 ashimema      sounded like i
16:51 caroline1     I think he pretty much burned the bridge there
16:51 ashimema      but that won't be a problem
16:51 ashimema      if he ever does come to work for you and gets back the @inlibro email it may need to be unaliased
16:50 caroline1     thx :)
16:50 ashimema      I will alias it to Bin Wen :)
16:50 ashimema      okies, no worries.
16:50 wizzyrea      ah commit authors can always be fixed
16:50 caroline1     ashimema what can we do? blou tells me it's Bin Wen who did a sign off on the wrong account
16:49 caroline1     OMG oleonard LOL!
16:49 wizzyrea      lol
16:49 oleonard      [off] That sounds like an inscription for a mud flap on a semi truck
16:48 wizzyrea      A+ that's an excellent typo
16:48 caroline1     [off] wizzyrea I somehow always type ass instead of add (so git ass)
16:48 ashimema      oh.. lol
16:47 * wizzyrea    imagines global snickering
16:47 caroline1     He actually never worked here, that's why I'm confused... He quit before his first day ¬_¬
16:47 wizzyrea      [off] I just had to stop myself from typing "anal ++"
16:46 * ashimema    might be a tad anal about making sure the release notes look pretty
16:46 ashimema      awesome, ta
16:46 caroline1     huh... let me check with blou
16:46 ashimema      be nice to give proper acreditation if I can ;)
16:46 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15149 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Stable , Serials: Test prediction pattern does not consider Subscription start and end date
16:46 ashimema      for the release notes as they signed off on bug 15149
16:46 caroline1     oh, he doesn't work here anymore
16:45 wizzyrea      gosh, if a patch "breaks the tests" because of "a problem with the tests" shouldn't the developer of the patch that does it idk, troubleshoot the tests?
16:45 ashimema      any chance of zhihui's full name?
16:45 caroline1     but i'm not a dev
16:45 caroline1     yes
16:44 ashimema      caroline1 remind me, does that include you?
16:44 ashimema      any inlibro staff here?
16:43 wizzyrea      that's so hard for multi/independent systems
16:42 wizzyrea      or every branch should be able to see anonymous suggestions
16:42 oleonard      I wonder if the issue is that we need a permission specifically for managing suggestions at all branches
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16:37 wizzyrea      BURN.
16:36 oleonard      The souls in purgatory get to leave eventually ;)
16:36 wizzyrea      aka "bug purgatory"
16:35 wizzyrea      oh discussion.
16:35 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14830 normal, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , anonymous purchase suggestions are invisible/inaccessible in staff interface
16:35 oleonard      Bug 14830
16:35 wizzyrea      we've got a borrower, it's got a branchcode
16:35 wizzyrea      i mean that's kinda a no-brainer.
16:35 wizzyrea      why aren't we using the branchcode of the anonymous patron
16:35 wizzyrea      well the real question is
16:34 wizzyrea      *nod* same
16:34 oleonard      I feel like this is a bug which has been fixed before :|
16:34 wizzyrea      which is probably why they aren't turning up in the staff client
16:34 wizzyrea      Branchcode is NULL
16:33 wizzyrea      Koha's storing them tho
16:33 wizzyrea      yeah nah they're totally disappearing
16:32 oleonard      Yes
16:32 wizzyrea      you've put the number in for that borrower in the syspref?
16:29 oleonard      I do
16:29 wizzyrea      I don't and sure enough mine have gone into the aether
16:28 wizzyrea      Do you have an anonymous patron set up?
16:28 * oleonard    is trying to simplify the logic in the template
16:28 oleonard      Yes, that's part of it.
16:27 wizzyrea      because that makes sense to me, for a logged out user.
16:27 wizzyrea      you gonna go straight http://127.0.0.1:8080/cgi-bin/koha/opac-suggestions.pl?op=add here?
16:27 wizzyrea      oh good
16:27 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22515 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , OPACViewOthersSuggestions if set to Show will only show when patron has made a suggestion
16:27 oleonard      yeah I'm trying to get rid of that as part of Bug 22515
16:27 wizzyrea      for anon ones
16:27 wizzyrea      "you are unauthorised to see pending purchase suggestions"
16:26 wizzyrea      speaking of, does it seem rude to say
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16:26 oleonard      "this is our placebo suggestion form"
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16:25 wizzyrea      hm no
16:23 oleonard      Do anonymous suggestions normally disappear into the ether after they're submitted?
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16:13 ashimema      thanks oleonard
16:13 ashimema      lol
16:13 ashimema      oh, I see
16:12 ashimema      ?
16:12 caroline1     only when i talk nonsense... :)
16:12 davidnind     we would never ignore caroline1!
16:11 oleonard      ashimema: :P
16:11 caroline1     oh sorry, I misread... ignore me
16:11 caroline1     I thought it was next week?
16:10 davidnind     thanks oleonard!
16:10 davidnind     Wouldn't want anyone to miss out on an IRC meeting :)
16:10 oleonard      I can
16:09 davidnind     oleonard, ashimema or Joubu: could you add this week's development meeting to the calendar? (https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_27_March_2019)
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15:39 wizzyrea      \o/
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15:33 wizzyrea      interesting.
15:32 wizzyrea      maybe it's only for people with public profiles, it doesn't work for mine (though mine's deactivated)
15:32 oleonard      Oh no, a security failure at Facebook? That's unpossible!
15:31 wizzyrea      for example, I typed in sadfasdf, and it's like "Log in as Serap Uzun"
15:31 wizzyrea      Huh. Facebook will tell you the name of the person for any username if you get an incorrect password
15:29 wizzyrea      I feel like this message could be shortened a bit "You entered an incorrect username or password. Please try again! But note that passwords are case sensitive. Please contact a library staff member if you continue to have problems."
15:25 wizzyrea      maybe it's not getting a borrowernumber for that patron?
15:25 oleonard      Yes
15:24 wizzyrea      ? Like, the same patron always fails
15:24 wizzyrea      is it consistent with the same patron/
15:24 wizzyrea      at least that's how I read it
15:23 wizzyrea      and then it tries to do the thing to it, but it can't because there's no patron?
15:23 wizzyrea      the line before is my $patron = Koha::Patrons->find( $borrowernumber );
15:22 wizzyrea      well I'd buess that you didn't find the patron
15:22 oleonard      It happened a few times when logging in to the OPAC as various randomly-chosen patrons. Didn't happen for others. Not sure what the common factor is
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15:19 oleonard      Anyone know what this means? 'Can't call method "unblessed" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/opac/opac-user.pl line 92.'
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15:13 oleonard      Thanks wizzyrea !
14:45 wizzyrea      walking away for mmm 5 minutes for a hot drink
14:42 wizzyrea      hi magnuse
14:38 wahanui       oleonard: huh?
14:38 oleonard      wahanui: https://i.imgur.com/BAFLRD9.gif
14:37 wizzyrea      teehee
14:37 wahanui       darn tootin' it is.
14:37 wizzyrea      excellent
14:37 oleonard      wizzyrea++
14:36 oleonard      Looks right to me. And never stop bothering me.
14:36 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22568 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Replace RSS icon in the OPAC with Font Awesome
14:36 wizzyrea      bug 22568
14:36 wizzyrea      oleonard, did I do that right on 22568? I'll stop bothering you soon
14:34 wizzyrea      ok cool ty
14:34 wizzyrea      reset and sign off on the actual patch
14:34 oleonard      Correct
14:34 wizzyrea      we don't commit the compiled CSS right/
14:34 wizzyrea      so for signoffs on those kinds of patches, oleonard
14:31 wizzyrea      ok good I think I have a handle on that thing monstly now
14:30 wizzyrea      monday
14:30 oleonard      Gremlins
14:30 wizzyrea      oleonard ^
14:29 wizzyrea      I'll take that.
14:29 wizzyrea      what even
14:29 wizzyrea      i'm not sure how exactly but I went through a 3rd time and now it's back
14:29 wizzyrea      oh oh I fixed it
14:28 * wizzyrea    reads the directions again
14:27 oleonard      That is sub-optimal
14:27 wizzyrea      http://127.0.0.1:8080/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css/opac_18.1200031.css this doesn't 404, but it's empty
14:26 wizzyrea      http://127.0.0.1:8080/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/jquery/images/ui-bg_glass_65_ffffff_1x400.png
14:26 wizzyrea      and a couple of png's
14:26 wizzyrea      those are fonts and things
14:26 wizzyrea      i'm sorry I lied
14:25 wizzyrea      opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/font-awesome/fonts/fontawesome-webfont.woff2?v=4.3.0
14:22 wizzyrea      1s
14:21 oleonard      What's an example of a bad file name wizzyrea?
14:18 wizzyrea      hm no it hasn't been a problem before
14:15 oleonard      I would associate 404's on css files with the css/js asset versioning and wonder about your Apache config, but that would be a problem before or after compiling CSS...I think
14:13 wizzyrea      so I must be missing something
14:13 wizzyrea      and I get 404's on the new css files
14:13 wizzyrea      for the opac
14:13 wizzyrea      well ok here's why I ask because I followed those instructins
14:12 wizzyrea      it's fine
14:11 oleonard      I know it's added complexity from the developer side of things but it's done to gain real benefits for the user
14:11 wizzyrea      probably have time to learn, actually :)
14:11 wizzyrea      and in fact that whole thing is why I don't even try to fix those things anymore (I didn't have time to learn, I might have time to learn it now)
14:10 wizzyrea      hm no
14:09 oleonard      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_SCSS_in_the_OPAC_and_staff_client
14:09 oleonard      Have you done the CSS compilation step for the staff client before?
14:08 wizzyrea      hey oleonard when you say "regenerate the OPAC CSS" what does that mean
14:03 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Clean up Overdrive template
14:03 oleonard      Hey everyone don't be afraid of Bug 21646! You don't have to have OverDrive to test it. I updated the test plan to make it clear.
13:59 wizzyrea      hi
13:54 oleonard      Hi wizzyrea
13:40 talljoy       lol
13:40 oleonard      good 9:40 GMT -4
13:33 magnuse       good afternoon!
13:32 talljoy       good morning
13:31 caroline1     good morning everyone!
13:10 andreashm     =)
13:10 magnuse       but thanks anyway
13:10 magnuse       Petter will be there :-)
13:10 andreashm     We'll do all the Norwegian jokes tomorrow then. =)
13:09 andreashm     ah ok!
13:09 magnuse       andreashm: i don't arrive before sometime on wednesday
13:03 alex_a        hi andreashm
13:01 andreashm     tomorrow even, I hope! The meeting starts then and I will be there at least.
12:59 magnuse       see you on wednesday?
12:59 magnuse       hiya andreashm
12:58 andreashm     hey tcohen, magnuse, alex_a
12:58 magnuse       kia ora tcohen
12:58 alex_a        hello tcohen
12:57 tcohen        morning all
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12:23 paxed         oh? is that a newer than 17.05 feature?
12:21 kidclamp      You can batch add patrons to  a list, then use that list for deleting patrons
12:19 paxed         is there a page where staff could put a list of borrowernumbers to delete patrons? analogous to batch record deletion
12:14 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22565: Do NOT replace all internalnote's on receive <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9acf69f7a690a78bd09af7afbb28e4b32c493903>
12:14 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22565: Add test for ModReceiveOrder regression <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bf2b27df5c0b403feea9f78962244d6cbf8a7c8>
12:14 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22565: (QA follow-up) Fix test Acquisition.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=607eb83bc06410d59aefb6907070865f9f272115>
12:13 ashimema      lol.. even
12:13 ashimema      lopl
12:12 wahanui       somebody said oleonard was happy for ashimema to write the release script
12:12 magnuse       oleonard!
11:59 oleonard      Hi!
11:46 wahanui       oleonard is happy for ashimema to write the release script
11:46 calire        oleonard!
11:29 * ashimema    will have a quick look at the followup now
11:28 josef_moravec If you think my follow-up is OK (should be ;) we could pass it to have it in today's release...
11:27 ashimema      awesome, thanks
11:27 josef_moravec ashimema: tested, works OK, just added a small followup to tests
11:08 ashimema      thanks josef_moravec
11:08 josef_moravec ashimema: ok, I'll look into it
11:07 ashimema      should be a very trivial one to test.. just a sanity check of my update
11:07 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22565 blocker, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Partially receiving order and adding internal note on invoice updates note on every order on the system
11:07 ashimema      I'd love to get bug 22565 in before I prep my release today ;)
11:07 ashimema      awesome.. any chance you've got a moment for a blocker?
11:06 josef_moravec ashimema: yes
11:06 ashimema      any qa team around?
10:12 dolf          Is it possible to see other users' time zones on irc? I'm in GMT+2
10:12 cait          will be back tonight or tomorrow
10:12 cait          ok, have to go
10:06 cait          https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
10:05 cait          hea might have an idea about that
10:05 cait          it shoudl work, but probably not widely used
10:04 cait          we have maintained the functionality but i am not aware of anyone using themes, like you said
10:04 ashimema      perhaps needs better documenting somewhere.. it's not an area of koha that's changed in a long time
10:03 ashimema      took me a little digging through code to find it, but it's there
10:03 ashimema      indeed
10:03 dolf          Oh, that might help! I could keep a local copy of the bootstrap theme, with minimal modifications.
10:02 ashimema      dolf: looks like you can change where koha looks for theme's in the config file.. opachtdocs and intranethtdocs
10:00 magnuse       dolf: easy when you know it ;-)
09:58 ashimema      yeah, I like python but similarly don't get much oportunity to use it
09:58 dolf          magnuse: silly me... I couldn't find the kpz file, actually. Yet there it is in plain sight.
09:57 dolf          ashimema That makes sense. My favourite language is Python, which I don't get to use in big projects often, unfortunately. There they have the opposite philosophy: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/
09:57 magnuse       enable the plugin system and upload the latest .kpz file from https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-opac-theme-galadriel/releases
09:56 dolf          I've seen it, yes. Looks like it uses the plugin system to add a theme, but I couldn't quite figure out how to install it.
09:55 magnuse       dolf: have you seen https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-opac-theme-galadriel ? maybe not what you need, though
09:53 ashimema      TIMTOWTDI is perls blessing and perls downfall all in one (There Is More Than One Way To Do It)
09:53 ashimema      it's all nice modern OO and stuff already though.. and inspired by the best bits of lots of other langauges
09:52 ashimema      take a look at the Mojolicious project.. their examples are much better.. especially now they're starting to advise signatures and things (though their docs are not yet fully compliant with their own goal of all examples using signatures)
09:51 ashimema      but there is allot of much nicer more modern perl too.. it's a very performant and elegant language when used well
09:51 dolf          I mean sad
09:51 dolf          that's sed
09:50 ashimema      s/honet/honest/
09:50 ashimema      the problem with perl is how much very old fashioned code is still out there and pointed to in examples (koha is pretty bad on that front to be honet)
09:50 dolf          LOL... I'm more of a software engineer than a developer, so I use whatever I need to use to get the job done.
09:50 cait          maybe you should reconsidre your life choices :P
09:49 dolf          I also hate PHP, which is what I use 90% of the time
09:49 dolf          Just joking hey.
09:49 clrh          <3
09:48 cait          hitting their used language usually is not received well
09:47 cait          I'd be careful what you say in a group of perl programmers ;)
09:47 ashimema      wow
09:46 dolf          Thanks for the advice, guys. I'll see what I can hack together on my side for now. Learning Perl is in the pipelines, so maybe I can help with that in the future. Looks like a macabre language...
09:45 cait          i don't think i did
09:45 cait          oh
09:44 ashimema      cait, did you get my PM?
09:44 dolf          I'm not comparing Drupal to Koha, just the fact that Drupal has a pluggable theme system, which is something I'd love to see in Koha. I could help with development in that area, but I need to learn Perl first...
09:43 cait          yeah, maybe needs a proof of concept and i am just lacking imagination :)
09:43 ashimema      but I don't have anyone willing to fund them ;)
09:43 ashimema      I'd love to see improvement in those area's
09:43 ashimema      patches welcome dolf
09:43 cait          well, i don't actually know drupal, but i would not compare a cms to a ils
09:43 ashimema      I don't know how the theme system looks for alternate themes and paths without looking at the code..
09:42 cait          for very different tasks
09:42 * ashimema    isn't sure.. I don't believe we delete on upgrade.. but we do install our themes into a system dir though
09:42 cait          Koha has tons of templates
09:42 cait          drupal is simpler
09:42 cait          i'd recommend backing up your custom template, just to be on the safe side
09:42 dolf          I feel like Koha needs a pluggable theme system, like Drupal (which is what I'm used to developing for)
09:41 * ashimema    hasn't seen anyone running with a custom theme in the whild for literally years
09:41 cait          ashimema: do you know?
09:41 cait          we put it all in git and roll our own packages, so I haven't tested it
09:41 cait          i am not sure about packages actually
09:41 cait          hm
09:41 cait          no it would not
09:41 ashimema      you will certainly need to look at it with every upgrade to check
09:41 dolf          Look, I really don't mind maintaining my own theme, I'm only worried about the fact that my theme will get deleted with every update
09:41 cait          i think it falls back to files it doesn't find... so i would keep changed files to an absolute minimum
09:40 ashimema      what cait said
09:40 ashimema      indeed
09:40 ashimema      or.. you could clone all the existing templates into your own theme, add your header and then update those templates manually yourself with every release
09:40 cait          in theory,... there should be inheritance
09:40 cait          try copying only the file you want to change
09:40 ashimema      you could submit a patch adding yet another pref for adding a block where you want
09:40 cait          if you want to try templates
09:40 cait          that makes it a bit easier
09:40 dolf          No, the interface is only in English
09:39 cait          runnign koha in different languages I mean?
09:39 cait          do you work with translations?
09:39 cait          but it will give you less headache
09:39 cait          well... it is
09:39 dolf          I thought of that
09:39 cait          you can move it in DOM to the right spot
09:39 dolf          NOooo, that's way too hacky
09:39 cait          move it up with jquery
09:39 cait          and what you can also do if it's not quite the right spot
09:39 dolf          Yes, it adds it below the navbar, which is not what I need.
09:38 cait          adding custom navigation is not that unuusal
09:38 cait          have you taken a look at the header preference?
09:38 dolf          I need to add a custom HTML header above <div id="wrap">, among other things. It needs to conform to cross-site navigation that we have elsewhere on other sites. So it's a very specific, company-specific thing. There may be other changes too.
09:38 clrh          cait yep we could probably help (but not now) - we are writing our first plugin for french community (it is specific) but the mecanic could be probably reused for english guys ;) - ideally we would love to do it in english and translate it in a proper way
09:38 cait          there are lots of different ways for customizing Koha
09:37 ashimema      what she said dolf.. cait is better articulating than me today
09:36 ashimema      but yeah.. we certainly do need to forge a path for translating plugins
09:36 cait          and there are a lot of options to change Koha without doing it, but it would be easier if you tell us what you want to do
09:36 cait          we are just recommending that you take a look at ohter options first, because maintaining your own theme turns into a lot of work quickly
09:36 dolf          how am I supposed to address specific users?
09:36 cait          all good
09:36 dolf          so many surprises (facepalm)
09:35 cait          and it means forking
09:35 cait          ashimema: we don't run a single single language install
09:35 cait          please don't use @ :) it upsets the bots
09:35 ashimema      It's easy enough to make a plugin itself translated (for single language installs)
09:35 wahanui       i already had it that way, huginn`.
09:35 huginn`       dolf: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
09:35 dolf          @ashimema Do you mean add it to koha for everyone? I definitely don't want to do that.
09:34 cait          thx josef_moravec :)
09:34 ashimema      mm.. I saw the plural forms stuff
09:34 cait          basically we already agreed that the plugins should not work with translating files but need a simpler way
09:34 josef_moravec ashimema: not really changed, but added nuew functionality: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Internationalization,_plural_forms,_context,_and_more_RFC
09:33 ashimema      pass.. I need to dig into translations.. I haven't yet worked out how messages are translated
09:33 cait          but i might be mistaken?
09:32 * ashimema    wasn't aware translations has changed recently
09:32 cait          i tought it was how the new stuff in messages worked
09:32 ashimema      translation files on the fly.. what bug is that?
09:32 cait          dolf: what is the change you want to make?
09:32 cait          dolf: we add lots of stuff each release, you can have you rown theme, but often things can be achieved with much less trouble
09:31 cait          clrh: maybe you could help fixing it? the new way to do translations biblibre introduced might be the way to go (translation fiels and on the fly)
09:30 ashimema      hehe
09:30 cait          ashimema: i like the big bugbear
09:28 ashimema      perhaps wait for oleonard to come online.. he may be able to better advice
09:27 ashimema      you can add a new theme of course dolf, but you will certainly have to maintain it
09:27 clrh          yes ashimema :)
09:25 dolf          Since masthead.inc is inside the "bootstrap" folder, and bootstrap is the name of a theme, and the theme is configurable at Administration › System preferences > OPAC > Appearance, I thought, surely there must be a way to add a new theme. A theme that won't we overwritten by the next update?
09:24 * ashimema    would also like them translatable but I don't really know how to achieve it yet
09:24 ashimema      I do believe there is a hope they become translatable.. but we need funding for it to happen
09:23 dolf          lol what
09:23 clrh          yep ashimema it will be a limitation for us too, but I wasn't sure
09:23 ashimema      ifnore huginn, he's a bot
09:23 huginn`       dolf: I suck
09:23 ashimema      in which case I wish you luck dolf... those change, sometimes pretty significantly, with most releases
09:23 dolf          @huginn` why do you say that?
09:22 ashimema      annoyances
09:22 ashimema      clrh Not sure I've seen any translated plugins yet.. their lack of translatability is one of caits big bugbears
09:22 huginn`       dolf: I suck
09:22 dolf          @ashimema I would like to change the templates, e.g. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/includes/masthead.inc
09:22 ashimema      we tend to add classes and id's with each release but we do try to keep the existing one's pretty consistent... no gauruntees though.
09:21 ashimema      I'd just recommend using the opacusercss and opacuserjs prefs really
09:21 clrh          ed
09:21 ashimema      I don't know of any specific docs for that dolf
09:20 clrh          Does someone already render a koha plugin translated ?
09:20 clrh          hi all
09:14 * cait        waves
09:07 dolf          Hi koha-people, are there any docs on creating custom themes? I'd like to modify the theme, but I don't want those modifications to disappear when I update Koha.
07:57 wahanui       hey, alex_a
07:57 alex_a        bonjour
07:49 wahanui       what's up, reiveune
07:49 reiveune      hello
07:34 marcelr       hi #koha
06:23 fridolin      hi there :=
00:19 amoyano_      thanks rangi