Time Nick Message 19:50 alexbuckley hi wizzyrea and cait! 19:49 wizzyrea hi alexbuckley 19:46 cait it was ok 19:46 wizzyrea did you have a nice weekend cait 19:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #246: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/246/ 19:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #242: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/242/ 19:34 cait hi wizzyrea 19:34 wizzyrea hi cait 19:31 * cait waves 19:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #242: SUCCESS in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/242/ 19:24 gmcharlt lukeG++ 19:07 kathryn hi wizzyrea :) 19:06 wizzyrea hi kathryn 18:57 oleonard Bye all 18:39 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #57: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/57/ 18:39 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:30 kidclamp I knwo we discussed it but don't know if open bug 18:30 kidclamp running out for pickup will check in a bit 18:28 oleonard Maybe kidclamp knows? 18:14 wizzyrea pass 18:14 Marjorie Hi, I start with the configuration of the ES search engine. Is there a way to set which fields are searchable in the keyword index (kw) in admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.pl? Is there a development planned for this? 17:59 gmcharlt lukeG: please send me your SSH public key 17:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #54: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/54/ 17:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #52: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/52/ 17:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #56: UNSTABLE in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/56/ 17:44 caroline1 They think item types are for items (which is logical) 17:44 caroline1 I often get questions from confused clients who are trying to delete item types, but it is still used in the record (field 942$c) 17:44 oleonard I thought there was more because I thought i'd cleaned up all the records, but I missed one 17:43 oleonard caroline1: Looking at the code it looks like it checks through items and biblioitems 17:41 caroline1 oleonard, did you find your answer about the item type deletion? 17:33 ashimema hehe 17:30 oleonard wizzyrea: I think your job title entitles you to (checking notes), oh yes... "Bust heads on Bugzilla." 17:29 ashimema oh noes.. don't jump off the cliff wizzyrea 17:29 ashimema gmcharlt is usually lurking much earlier.. hense my pointing him out 17:22 wizzyrea someone talk me off a cliff 17:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22333 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Replace duplicated code in CanBookBeRenewed with GetSoonestRenewDate 17:22 wizzyrea bug 22333 the comments there make me a bit >:( 17:20 wizzyrea they both can :) just whoever answers first - it's gonna be early for NZ yet 17:20 ashimema not somewhere I have the gift I'm afraid lukeG 17:19 ashimema gmcharlt can 17:19 wizzyrea or maybe gmcharlt 17:18 wizzyrea paging rangi 17:16 lukeG does anyone know who can give me access rights to download.koha-community? im trying to roll the 18.05.x release and right now only JesseM can do it… 17:11 wizzyrea i'm not sure about fine type things 17:11 wizzyrea i believe it checks whether there is an active hold on, whether the item is checked out 17:10 oleonard does it check bibliographic data? (as opposed to items) 17:09 oleonard The "record in use" error message is unhelpful. 17:09 oleonard Does anyone know offhand what is checked when you try to delete an item type? 17:02 caroline1 bbl 17:00 reiveune bye 16:53 oleonard Quitting before your first day is definitely a burnt bridge! 16:52 ashimema wow.. this is a fun one 16:52 ashimema sounded like it 16:52 ashimema sounded like i 16:51 caroline1 I think he pretty much burned the bridge there 16:51 ashimema but that won't be a problem 16:51 ashimema if he ever does come to work for you and gets back the @inlibro email it may need to be unaliased 16:50 caroline1 thx :) 16:50 ashimema I will alias it to Bin Wen :) 16:50 ashimema okies, no worries. 16:50 wizzyrea ah commit authors can always be fixed 16:50 caroline1 ashimema what can we do? blou tells me it's Bin Wen who did a sign off on the wrong account 16:49 caroline1 OMG oleonard LOL! 16:49 wizzyrea lol 16:49 oleonard [off] That sounds like an inscription for a mud flap on a semi truck 16:48 wizzyrea A+ that's an excellent typo 16:48 caroline1 [off] wizzyrea I somehow always type ass instead of add (so git ass) 16:48 ashimema oh.. lol 16:47 * wizzyrea imagines global snickering 16:47 caroline1 He actually never worked here, that's why I'm confused... He quit before his first day ¬_¬ 16:47 wizzyrea [off] I just had to stop myself from typing "anal ++" 16:46 * ashimema might be a tad anal about making sure the release notes look pretty 16:46 ashimema awesome, ta 16:46 caroline1 huh... let me check with blou 16:46 ashimema be nice to give proper acreditation if I can ;) 16:46 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15149 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Stable , Serials: Test prediction pattern does not consider Subscription start and end date 16:46 ashimema for the release notes as they signed off on bug 15149 16:46 caroline1 oh, he doesn't work here anymore 16:45 wizzyrea gosh, if a patch "breaks the tests" because of "a problem with the tests" shouldn't the developer of the patch that does it idk, troubleshoot the tests? 16:45 ashimema any chance of zhihui's full name? 16:45 caroline1 but i'm not a dev 16:45 caroline1 yes 16:44 ashimema caroline1 remind me, does that include you? 16:44 ashimema any inlibro staff here? 16:43 wizzyrea that's so hard for multi/independent systems 16:42 wizzyrea or every branch should be able to see anonymous suggestions 16:42 oleonard I wonder if the issue is that we need a permission specifically for managing suggestions at all branches 16:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #245: SUCCESS in 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/245/ 16:37 wizzyrea BURN. 16:36 oleonard The souls in purgatory get to leave eventually ;) 16:36 wizzyrea aka "bug purgatory" 16:35 wizzyrea oh discussion. 16:35 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14830 normal, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , anonymous purchase suggestions are invisible/inaccessible in staff interface 16:35 oleonard Bug 14830 16:35 wizzyrea we've got a borrower, it's got a branchcode 16:35 wizzyrea i mean that's kinda a no-brainer. 16:35 wizzyrea why aren't we using the branchcode of the anonymous patron 16:35 wizzyrea well the real question is 16:34 wizzyrea *nod* same 16:34 oleonard I feel like this is a bug which has been fixed before :| 16:34 wizzyrea which is probably why they aren't turning up in the staff client 16:34 wizzyrea Branchcode is NULL 16:33 wizzyrea Koha's storing them tho 16:33 wizzyrea yeah nah they're totally disappearing 16:32 oleonard Yes 16:32 wizzyrea you've put the number in for that borrower in the syspref? 16:29 oleonard I do 16:29 wizzyrea I don't and sure enough mine have gone into the aether 16:28 wizzyrea Do you have an anonymous patron set up? 16:28 * oleonard is trying to simplify the logic in the template 16:28 oleonard Yes, that's part of it. 16:27 wizzyrea because that makes sense to me, for a logged out user. 16:27 wizzyrea you gonna go straight http://127.0.0.1:8080/cgi-bin/koha/opac-suggestions.pl?op=add here? 16:27 wizzyrea oh good 16:27 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22515 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , OPACViewOthersSuggestions if set to Show will only show when patron has made a suggestion 16:27 oleonard yeah I'm trying to get rid of that as part of Bug 22515 16:27 wizzyrea for anon ones 16:27 wizzyrea "you are unauthorised to see pending purchase suggestions" 16:26 wizzyrea speaking of, does it seem rude to say 16:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #241: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/241/ 16:26 oleonard "this is our placebo suggestion form" 16:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #51: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/51/ 16:25 wizzyrea hm no 16:23 oleonard Do anonymous suggestions normally disappear into the ether after they're submitted? 16:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #241: SUCCESS in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/241/ 16:13 ashimema thanks oleonard 16:13 ashimema lol 16:13 ashimema oh, I see 16:12 ashimema ? 16:12 caroline1 only when i talk nonsense... :) 16:12 davidnind we would never ignore caroline1! 16:11 oleonard ashimema: :P 16:11 caroline1 oh sorry, I misread... ignore me 16:11 caroline1 I thought it was next week? 16:10 davidnind thanks oleonard! 16:10 davidnind Wouldn't want anyone to miss out on an IRC meeting :) 16:10 oleonard I can 16:09 davidnind oleonard, ashimema or Joubu: could you add this week's development meeting to the calendar? (https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_27_March_2019) 15:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #55: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/55/ 15:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #53: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/53/ 15:39 wizzyrea \o/ 15:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #50: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_U18/50/ 15:33 wizzyrea interesting. 15:32 wizzyrea maybe it's only for people with public profiles, it doesn't work for mine (though mine's deactivated) 15:32 oleonard Oh no, a security failure at Facebook? That's unpossible! 15:31 wizzyrea for example, I typed in sadfasdf, and it's like "Log in as Serap Uzun" 15:31 wizzyrea Huh. Facebook will tell you the name of the person for any username if you get an incorrect password 15:29 wizzyrea I feel like this message could be shortened a bit "You entered an incorrect username or password. Please try again! But note that passwords are case sensitive. Please contact a library staff member if you continue to have problems." 15:25 wizzyrea maybe it's not getting a borrowernumber for that patron? 15:25 oleonard Yes 15:24 wizzyrea ? Like, the same patron always fails 15:24 wizzyrea is it consistent with the same patron/ 15:24 wizzyrea at least that's how I read it 15:23 wizzyrea and then it tries to do the thing to it, but it can't because there's no patron? 15:23 wizzyrea the line before is my $patron = Koha::Patrons->find( $borrowernumber ); 15:22 wizzyrea well I'd buess that you didn't find the patron 15:22 oleonard It happened a few times when logging in to the OPAC as various randomly-chosen patrons. Didn't happen for others. Not sure what the common factor is 15:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #54: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D9/54/ 15:19 oleonard Anyone know what this means? 'Can't call method "unblessed" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/opac/opac-user.pl line 92.' 15:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #52: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.11_D8/52/ 15:13 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea ! 14:45 wizzyrea walking away for mmm 5 minutes for a hot drink 14:42 wizzyrea hi magnuse 14:38 wahanui oleonard: huh? 14:38 oleonard wahanui: https://i.imgur.com/BAFLRD9.gif 14:37 wizzyrea teehee 14:37 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 14:37 wizzyrea excellent 14:37 oleonard wizzyrea++ 14:36 oleonard Looks right to me. And never stop bothering me. 14:36 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22568 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Replace RSS icon in the OPAC with Font Awesome 14:36 wizzyrea bug 22568 14:36 wizzyrea oleonard, did I do that right on 22568? I'll stop bothering you soon 14:34 wizzyrea ok cool ty 14:34 wizzyrea reset and sign off on the actual patch 14:34 oleonard Correct 14:34 wizzyrea we don't commit the compiled CSS right/ 14:34 wizzyrea so for signoffs on those kinds of patches, oleonard 14:31 wizzyrea ok good I think I have a handle on that thing monstly now 14:30 wizzyrea monday 14:30 oleonard Gremlins 14:30 wizzyrea oleonard ^ 14:29 wizzyrea I'll take that. 14:29 wizzyrea what even 14:29 wizzyrea i'm not sure how exactly but I went through a 3rd time and now it's back 14:29 wizzyrea oh oh I fixed it 14:28 * wizzyrea reads the directions again 14:27 oleonard That is sub-optimal 14:27 wizzyrea http://127.0.0.1:8080/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css/opac_18.1200031.css this doesn't 404, but it's empty 14:26 wizzyrea http://127.0.0.1:8080/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/jquery/images/ui-bg_glass_65_ffffff_1x400.png 14:26 wizzyrea and a couple of png's 14:26 wizzyrea those are fonts and things 14:26 wizzyrea i'm sorry I lied 14:25 wizzyrea opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/font-awesome/fonts/fontawesome-webfont.woff2?v=4.3.0 14:22 wizzyrea 1s 14:21 oleonard What's an example of a bad file name wizzyrea? 14:18 wizzyrea hm no it hasn't been a problem before 14:15 oleonard I would associate 404's on css files with the css/js asset versioning and wonder about your Apache config, but that would be a problem before or after compiling CSS...I think 14:13 wizzyrea so I must be missing something 14:13 wizzyrea and I get 404's on the new css files 14:13 wizzyrea for the opac 14:13 wizzyrea well ok here's why I ask because I followed those instructins 14:12 wizzyrea it's fine 14:11 oleonard I know it's added complexity from the developer side of things but it's done to gain real benefits for the user 14:11 wizzyrea probably have time to learn, actually :) 14:11 wizzyrea and in fact that whole thing is why I don't even try to fix those things anymore (I didn't have time to learn, I might have time to learn it now) 14:10 wizzyrea hm no 14:09 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_SCSS_in_the_OPAC_and_staff_client 14:09 oleonard Have you done the CSS compilation step for the staff client before? 14:08 wizzyrea hey oleonard when you say "regenerate the OPAC CSS" what does that mean 14:03 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Clean up Overdrive template 14:03 oleonard Hey everyone don't be afraid of Bug 21646! You don't have to have OverDrive to test it. I updated the test plan to make it clear. 13:59 wizzyrea hi 13:54 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 13:40 talljoy lol 13:40 oleonard good 9:40 GMT -4 13:33 magnuse good afternoon! 13:32 talljoy good morning 13:31 caroline1 good morning everyone! 13:10 andreashm =) 13:10 magnuse but thanks anyway 13:10 magnuse Petter will be there :-) 13:10 andreashm We'll do all the Norwegian jokes tomorrow then. =) 13:09 andreashm ah ok! 13:09 magnuse andreashm: i don't arrive before sometime on wednesday 13:03 alex_a hi andreashm 13:01 andreashm tomorrow even, I hope! The meeting starts then and I will be there at least. 12:59 magnuse see you on wednesday? 12:59 magnuse hiya andreashm 12:58 andreashm hey tcohen, magnuse, alex_a 12:58 magnuse kia ora tcohen 12:58 alex_a hello tcohen 12:57 tcohen morning all 12:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #197: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/197/ 12:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #184: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/184/ 12:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #691: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/691/ 12:23 paxed oh? is that a newer than 17.05 feature? 12:21 kidclamp You can batch add patrons to a list, then use that list for deleting patrons 12:19 paxed is there a page where staff could put a list of borrowernumbers to delete patrons? analogous to batch record deletion 12:14 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22565: Do NOT replace all internalnote's on receive <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9acf69f7a690a78bd09af7afbb28e4b32c493903> 12:14 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22565: Add test for ModReceiveOrder regression <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9bf2b27df5c0b403feea9f78962244d6cbf8a7c8> 12:14 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22565: (QA follow-up) Fix test Acquisition.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=607eb83bc06410d59aefb6907070865f9f272115> 12:13 ashimema lol.. even 12:13 ashimema lopl 12:12 wahanui somebody said oleonard was happy for ashimema to write the release script 12:12 magnuse oleonard! 11:59 oleonard Hi! 11:46 wahanui oleonard is happy for ashimema to write the release script 11:46 calire oleonard! 11:29 * ashimema will have a quick look at the followup now 11:28 josef_moravec If you think my follow-up is OK (should be ;) we could pass it to have it in today's release... 11:27 ashimema awesome, thanks 11:27 josef_moravec ashimema: tested, works OK, just added a small followup to tests 11:08 ashimema thanks josef_moravec 11:08 josef_moravec ashimema: ok, I'll look into it 11:07 ashimema should be a very trivial one to test.. just a sanity check of my update 11:07 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22565 blocker, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Partially receiving order and adding internal note on invoice updates note on every order on the system 11:07 ashimema I'd love to get bug 22565 in before I prep my release today ;) 11:07 ashimema awesome.. any chance you've got a moment for a blocker? 11:06 josef_moravec ashimema: yes 11:06 ashimema any qa team around? 10:12 dolf Is it possible to see other users' time zones on irc? I'm in GMT+2 10:12 cait will be back tonight or tomorrow 10:12 cait ok, have to go 10:06 cait https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences 10:05 cait hea might have an idea about that 10:05 cait it shoudl work, but probably not widely used 10:04 cait we have maintained the functionality but i am not aware of anyone using themes, like you said 10:04 ashimema perhaps needs better documenting somewhere.. it's not an area of koha that's changed in a long time 10:03 ashimema took me a little digging through code to find it, but it's there 10:03 ashimema indeed 10:03 dolf Oh, that might help! I could keep a local copy of the bootstrap theme, with minimal modifications. 10:02 ashimema dolf: looks like you can change where koha looks for theme's in the config file.. opachtdocs and intranethtdocs 10:00 magnuse dolf: easy when you know it ;-) 09:58 ashimema yeah, I like python but similarly don't get much oportunity to use it 09:58 dolf magnuse: silly me... I couldn't find the kpz file, actually. Yet there it is in plain sight. 09:57 dolf ashimema That makes sense. My favourite language is Python, which I don't get to use in big projects often, unfortunately. There they have the opposite philosophy: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0020/ 09:57 magnuse enable the plugin system and upload the latest .kpz file from https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-opac-theme-galadriel/releases 09:56 dolf I've seen it, yes. Looks like it uses the plugin system to add a theme, but I couldn't quite figure out how to install it. 09:55 magnuse dolf: have you seen https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-opac-theme-galadriel ? maybe not what you need, though 09:53 ashimema TIMTOWTDI is perls blessing and perls downfall all in one (There Is More Than One Way To Do It) 09:53 ashimema it's all nice modern OO and stuff already though.. and inspired by the best bits of lots of other langauges 09:52 ashimema take a look at the Mojolicious project.. their examples are much better.. especially now they're starting to advise signatures and things (though their docs are not yet fully compliant with their own goal of all examples using signatures) 09:51 ashimema but there is allot of much nicer more modern perl too.. it's a very performant and elegant language when used well 09:51 dolf I mean sad 09:51 dolf that's sed 09:50 ashimema s/honet/honest/ 09:50 ashimema the problem with perl is how much very old fashioned code is still out there and pointed to in examples (koha is pretty bad on that front to be honet) 09:50 dolf LOL... I'm more of a software engineer than a developer, so I use whatever I need to use to get the job done. 09:50 cait maybe you should reconsidre your life choices :P 09:49 dolf I also hate PHP, which is what I use 90% of the time 09:49 dolf Just joking hey. 09:49 clrh <3 09:48 cait hitting their used language usually is not received well 09:47 cait I'd be careful what you say in a group of perl programmers ;) 09:47 ashimema wow 09:46 dolf Thanks for the advice, guys. I'll see what I can hack together on my side for now. Learning Perl is in the pipelines, so maybe I can help with that in the future. Looks like a macabre language... 09:45 cait i don't think i did 09:45 cait oh 09:44 ashimema cait, did you get my PM? 09:44 dolf I'm not comparing Drupal to Koha, just the fact that Drupal has a pluggable theme system, which is something I'd love to see in Koha. I could help with development in that area, but I need to learn Perl first... 09:43 cait yeah, maybe needs a proof of concept and i am just lacking imagination :) 09:43 ashimema but I don't have anyone willing to fund them ;) 09:43 ashimema I'd love to see improvement in those area's 09:43 ashimema patches welcome dolf 09:43 cait well, i don't actually know drupal, but i would not compare a cms to a ils 09:43 ashimema I don't know how the theme system looks for alternate themes and paths without looking at the code.. 09:42 cait for very different tasks 09:42 * ashimema isn't sure.. I don't believe we delete on upgrade.. but we do install our themes into a system dir though 09:42 cait Koha has tons of templates 09:42 cait drupal is simpler 09:42 cait i'd recommend backing up your custom template, just to be on the safe side 09:42 dolf I feel like Koha needs a pluggable theme system, like Drupal (which is what I'm used to developing for) 09:41 * ashimema hasn't seen anyone running with a custom theme in the whild for literally years 09:41 cait ashimema: do you know? 09:41 cait we put it all in git and roll our own packages, so I haven't tested it 09:41 cait i am not sure about packages actually 09:41 cait hm 09:41 cait no it would not 09:41 ashimema you will certainly need to look at it with every upgrade to check 09:41 dolf Look, I really don't mind maintaining my own theme, I'm only worried about the fact that my theme will get deleted with every update 09:41 cait i think it falls back to files it doesn't find... so i would keep changed files to an absolute minimum 09:40 ashimema what cait said 09:40 ashimema indeed 09:40 ashimema or.. you could clone all the existing templates into your own theme, add your header and then update those templates manually yourself with every release 09:40 cait in theory,... there should be inheritance 09:40 cait try copying only the file you want to change 09:40 ashimema you could submit a patch adding yet another pref for adding a block where you want 09:40 cait if you want to try templates 09:40 cait that makes it a bit easier 09:40 dolf No, the interface is only in English 09:39 cait runnign koha in different languages I mean? 09:39 cait do you work with translations? 09:39 cait but it will give you less headache 09:39 cait well... it is 09:39 dolf I thought of that 09:39 cait you can move it in DOM to the right spot 09:39 dolf NOooo, that's way too hacky 09:39 cait move it up with jquery 09:39 cait and what you can also do if it's not quite the right spot 09:39 dolf Yes, it adds it below the navbar, which is not what I need. 09:38 cait adding custom navigation is not that unuusal 09:38 cait have you taken a look at the header preference? 09:38 dolf I need to add a custom HTML header above <div id="wrap">, among other things. It needs to conform to cross-site navigation that we have elsewhere on other sites. So it's a very specific, company-specific thing. There may be other changes too. 09:38 clrh cait yep we could probably help (but not now) - we are writing our first plugin for french community (it is specific) but the mecanic could be probably reused for english guys ;) - ideally we would love to do it in english and translate it in a proper way 09:38 cait there are lots of different ways for customizing Koha 09:37 ashimema what she said dolf.. cait is better articulating than me today 09:36 ashimema but yeah.. we certainly do need to forge a path for translating plugins 09:36 cait and there are a lot of options to change Koha without doing it, but it would be easier if you tell us what you want to do 09:36 cait we are just recommending that you take a look at ohter options first, because maintaining your own theme turns into a lot of work quickly 09:36 dolf how am I supposed to address specific users? 09:36 cait all good 09:36 dolf so many surprises (facepalm) 09:35 cait and it means forking 09:35 cait ashimema: we don't run a single single language install 09:35 cait please don't use @ :) it upsets the bots 09:35 ashimema It's easy enough to make a plugin itself translated (for single language installs) 09:35 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 09:35 huginn` dolf: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 09:35 dolf @ashimema Do you mean add it to koha for everyone? I definitely don't want to do that. 09:34 cait thx josef_moravec :) 09:34 ashimema mm.. I saw the plural forms stuff 09:34 cait basically we already agreed that the plugins should not work with translating files but need a simpler way 09:34 josef_moravec ashimema: not really changed, but added nuew functionality: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Internationalization,_plural_forms,_context,_and_more_RFC 09:33 ashimema pass.. I need to dig into translations.. I haven't yet worked out how messages are translated 09:33 cait but i might be mistaken? 09:32 * ashimema wasn't aware translations has changed recently 09:32 cait i tought it was how the new stuff in messages worked 09:32 ashimema translation files on the fly.. what bug is that? 09:32 cait dolf: what is the change you want to make? 09:32 cait dolf: we add lots of stuff each release, you can have you rown theme, but often things can be achieved with much less trouble 09:31 cait clrh: maybe you could help fixing it? the new way to do translations biblibre introduced might be the way to go (translation fiels and on the fly) 09:30 ashimema hehe 09:30 cait ashimema: i like the big bugbear 09:28 ashimema perhaps wait for oleonard to come online.. he may be able to better advice 09:27 ashimema you can add a new theme of course dolf, but you will certainly have to maintain it 09:27 clrh yes ashimema :) 09:25 dolf Since masthead.inc is inside the "bootstrap" folder, and bootstrap is the name of a theme, and the theme is configurable at Administration › System preferences > OPAC > Appearance, I thought, surely there must be a way to add a new theme. A theme that won't we overwritten by the next update? 09:24 * ashimema would also like them translatable but I don't really know how to achieve it yet 09:24 ashimema I do believe there is a hope they become translatable.. but we need funding for it to happen 09:23 dolf lol what 09:23 clrh yep ashimema it will be a limitation for us too, but I wasn't sure 09:23 ashimema ifnore huginn, he's a bot 09:23 huginn` dolf: I suck 09:23 ashimema in which case I wish you luck dolf... those change, sometimes pretty significantly, with most releases 09:23 dolf @huginn` why do you say that? 09:22 ashimema annoyances 09:22 ashimema clrh Not sure I've seen any translated plugins yet.. their lack of translatability is one of caits big bugbears 09:22 huginn` dolf: I suck 09:22 dolf @ashimema I would like to change the templates, e.g. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/includes/masthead.inc 09:22 ashimema we tend to add classes and id's with each release but we do try to keep the existing one's pretty consistent... no gauruntees though. 09:21 ashimema I'd just recommend using the opacusercss and opacuserjs prefs really 09:21 clrh ed 09:21 ashimema I don't know of any specific docs for that dolf 09:20 clrh Does someone already render a koha plugin translated ? 09:20 clrh hi all 09:14 * cait waves 09:07 dolf Hi koha-people, are there any docs on creating custom themes? I'd like to modify the theme, but I don't want those modifications to disappear when I update Koha. 07:57 wahanui hey, alex_a 07:57 alex_a bonjour 07:49 wahanui what's up, reiveune 07:49 reiveune hello 07:34 marcelr hi #koha 06:23 fridolin hi there := 00:19 amoyano_ thanks rangi