Time  Nick        Message
23:30 alexbuckley hi all, I have a problem. I am trying to load a 17.05.06 db data into a site and then upgrade it to 18.11.01. I have dropped and re-created the db, then run koha-upgrade-schema however I end up with 224 tables rather than 205 as expected for 18.11.01. This is due to some tables not being removed during the koha-upgrade-schema, has anyone come across this before and have any suggestions?
19:56 oleonard    See y'all later!
19:34 cait        104 appears a bit high even... although i have been writing lots of small things
19:34 tcohen      104 511
19:34 tcohen      your ratio
19:32 cait        hm?
19:31 tcohen      cait: you break the media
19:30 tcohen      but isn't that bad, right?
19:30 tcohen      that's not a 2x ratio
19:30 tcohen      205 284
19:30 tcohen      indeed
19:30 cait        wonder what breaks the theory... multiple qa runs?
19:30 cait        2010   5412
19:29 cait        patches to signoffs: 20105412
19:29 cait        hm
19:29 cait        and you are right... but with qa and so needed 1:2 is not quite reached
19:28 cait        tcohen: the dashboard shows those stats btw :)
19:28 cait        hi kathryn :)
19:25 tcohen      =D
19:24 tcohen      a bag of hazelnut cookies
19:24 tcohen      cait: I bet we all test more patches than those we submit already
19:20 kathryn     hi :)
19:20 oleonard    Hi kathryn
19:20 kathryn     morning oleonard and cait and all :)
19:20 cait        oleonard++ bug clean-up
18:56 cait        i would probably have fixed them later - just didn't get further this morning
18:56 kidclamp    np, doing my best :-)
18:56 cait        kidclamp: thx for the quick follow-ups :)
18:53 caroline1   hey!
18:53 cait        hi caroline1 :)
18:53 cait        sorry, I didn't wan tto kill the discussion
18:45 cait        thinking of all the people working on interest groups etc
18:45 cait        so it can be sold
18:45 cait        heavily so
18:45 cait        truth is... libraries invest in folio too
18:45 cait        then name it something different?
18:43 ashimema    Very hard to sell that.
18:41 cait        every patch you submit... also test 2
18:41 cait        maybe another approach would be to add a charge for community type of work
18:41 cait        there is lots of patches stuck that need developers to sign off to
18:38 ashimema    More confidence and time
18:38 ashimema    I don't think it often comes down to money
18:38 ashimema    Many dont
18:38 ashimema    We encourage our libraries to sign off.. many do
18:36 tuxayo      Or also have bounties for signoffs.
18:36 tuxayo      I wonder if it would work if support companies would give a small discount if the libraries-customers would do a signoff from time to time :P
18:35 tuxayo      «we have tons of patches untested»
18:31 cait        tuxayo: i know, thx :) just betweenkitchen and laptop right now
18:30 tuxayo      cait: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2019-02-20#i_2118978
18:29 ashimema    josef_moravec  about?
18:29 cait        we have tons of patches untested
18:28 cait        i tihnk fixing is only hte half of it
18:28 oleonard    cait: We were talking about the idea of "bug bounties" ... paying for patches
18:25 cait        feeels like i missed some interesting discussion
18:23 tuxayo      I wish EBSCO could do that to make Koha better, in case Folio doesn't end up as they expect.
18:21 tuxayo      I'm amazed that IBM uses that and has put 300k USD in it https://www.bountysource.com/teams/ibm
18:18 tuxayo      And when the issue is solved, the dev can claim the bounty.
18:18 tuxayo      That's pretty much how Bountysource works. Someone would fill a bug, then in Bountysource, store money on it (get it back after some time if nothing happens)
18:18 tuxayo      wizzyrea: «another idea is a list where libraries could ask for development bids from vendors»
18:01 tuxayo      hue hue hue
18:01 tuxayo      in commit message: «Rescued-by: Martin Renvoize <martin.renvoize@ptfs-europe.com>»
18:01 tuxayo      ashimema++
17:56 niki        how can i sow the all patrons list
17:56 wahanui     que tal, niki
17:56 niki        hi
17:52 oleonard    ashimema++
17:31 ashimema    indeed
17:31 cait        [off] http://devs.bywatersolutions.com/
17:31 wizzyrea    yeah
17:31 ashimema    find-a-dev type thingy
17:31 cait        hm would be interesting to hear how bwater's experiences are
17:30 ashimema    totally
17:30 wizzyrea    not vague feature requests
17:30 ashimema    indeed
17:30 wizzyrea    as part of the request for bid
17:30 ashimema    that would be nice
17:30 wizzyrea    i feel like they'd have to have a spec ready though
17:30 wizzyrea    a library has money to solve a problem, but no developer, make a place where that library can ask vendors to bid.
17:29 cait        no josef... around... but he is awesome. hope he knows.
17:29 ashimema    hmm.. suppose not
17:29 ashimema    we're trying again recently, but I don't hold out a huge amount of hope myself
17:29 wizzyrea    not crowdfunding
17:29 ashimema    we've never had any luck with croudfunding
17:28 wizzyrea    another idea is a list where libraries could ask for development bids from vendors
17:27 ashimema    how did you do that bounty thing tucayo?
17:26 ashimema    ;)
17:26 ashimema    rescued.. fancy testing it oleonard
17:14 ashimema    I've wondered that a few times
17:13 tuxayo      And if that would attract more individuals doing Koha support to start contributing
17:13 tuxayo      https://www.bountysource.com/issues/70324813-increase-the-size-of-opacnote-and-librariannote-for-table-subscriptionhistory
17:13 * tuxayo    wonders if it would work to have general donations that could allocaded as bounties to small/medium bugs
17:10 tuxayo      thanks :)
17:08 ashimema    I'm on it
17:08 ashimema    no worries
17:08 ashimema    haha
17:08 tuxayo      I shoud probably finish stuff before beginning new one. Otherwise I will create other bugzillas like this and it will be a never ending cycle!!
17:08 tuxayo      ashimema: «tuxayo could if he feels like rescue duties»
17:06 tuxayo      (indeed it's not a pleasure to see such a situation)
17:05 tuxayo      oleonard: indeed, and there is not much left. It's a low hanging fruit (academy tag?)
17:05 ashimema    nice one to finish the day on
17:05 ashimema    I'll hit it.. won't take long
17:05 ashimema    it looks like a tiny patch
17:05 oleonard    ashimema: I didn't feel qualified to resurrect it myself, but I'd be happy to sign off
17:05 ashimema    or tuxayo could if he feels like rescue duties ;)
17:04 ashimema    want to resurrect the patch for it oleonard.. or would you like me to and then you can SO?
17:04 wizzyrea    what's the haps
17:02 oleonard    Hi wizzyrea
17:02 tuxayo      o/
17:01 wizzyrea    hi peeps
17:00 reiveune    bye
16:57 oleonard    tuxayo: A patch was submitted, a correction was suggested, then nothing for 6 years while people comment that they wish it could be fixed.
16:56 tuxayo      «hates to see "still valid" comments on a bug going on 6 years...»
16:56 tuxayo      oleonard: Why? Due to the bug still being there? Or due to the fact that votes (if more visible) should be the way to showing interest in a bug.
16:54 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18723 critical, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Pushed to Stable , Dot not recognized as decimal separator on receive
16:54 tuxayo      I'm trying to figure all the things that must be updated as a consequence. At least there is aqorders.unitprice_tax_included
16:54 tuxayo      Due to bug 18723
16:54 tuxayo      Has anyone ever manually fixed (SQL) various aqorders.unitprice_tax_excluded (field "Actual price" when receiving)
16:54 tuxayo      Hi, :)
16:38 corilynn    everyone knows SQL table changes are like chisseling WAR AND PEACE onto stone
16:37 corilynn    i mean... it's set to low priority... are librarians clammoring for it?
16:24 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10215 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Increase the size of opacnote and librariannote for table subscriptionhistory
16:24 oleonard    In this case, Bug 10215
16:24 * oleonard  hates to see "still valid" comments on a bug going on 6 years...
15:31 tcohen      hi
15:30 cait        recovery would be to get your lost password back, but we force a reset
15:30 cait        tcohen: strange question... isn#t recovery wrong?
15:07 ashimema    lol
15:05 cait        that i noticed the last time i trasnlated that
15:05 cait        because there was a mistake somewhere
15:05 cait        .... and the worst of all, it was my patch changing it
14:46 blou_       ooouuuuuuh, ouch
14:46 ashimema    ouch
14:43 cait        this mkes me cry: http://translate.koha-community.org/de/18.11/translate/de-DE-staff-prog.po#unit=8649543
14:35 cait        staff.po
14:35 cait        hm I wonder why this didn't get replaced by %s? Can't cancel order, ([% books_loo.holds_on_order | html %]) holds are linked with this order. Cancel holds first
13:58 oleonard    Customizations?
13:58 wahanui     code is bad but exists, so I copied it.. really? :D
13:58 cait        code?
13:43 fridolin    funny ;)
13:42 fridolin    be have code from https://staff.bedfordtx.bywatersolutions.com/
13:42 fridolin    kidclamp: hello, any of BW using our demo ? https://intranet-demo.biblibre.com
13:23 ashimema    Yeah, Tomas did great getting things moving again
13:23 cait        we also have a flu wave :(
13:23 ashimema    Lol
13:22 cait        not sure what's up... must be something in the water or suns pots
13:22 cait        yeah
13:22 cait        tomas is working on handover still i think?
13:22 ashimema    Bit of a challenging month 🤔
13:22 cait        so po files appear to have been updated
13:22 cait        there are strings
13:22 cait        i have a reminder in my calendar
13:21 ashimema    I totally forgot to announce string freeze properly
13:21 ashimema    fridolin is aiming for 25th for 17.11
13:21 ashimema    That's the aim
13:21 cait        i need to catch up on translations too i just realized
13:20 cait        ashimema: release on 22nd?
13:20 ashimema    Help .. even
13:20 ashimema    Helo
13:20 * ashimema  needs to get back to his customers again now.. sorry I couldn't be more heloy
13:19 ashimema    Basically getting the server able to send mail properly is the first step . . We just use the servers MTA to do all the real work
13:18 ashimema    I have no idea what module we use these days.. but I don't believe it's changed in a long time
13:18 ashimema    Huh
13:18 oleonard    They were asking here, a few minutes ago
13:16 cait        oleonard: which email was that?
13:10 oleonard    No one able to advise gerundio?
12:42 gerundio    is Koha still using the Mail::Sendmail Perl library to send all its emails?
12:33 gerundio    is there any reference on how to properly set up a Koha installation to send emails?
12:32 gerundio    so far I couldn't find any documentation on this topic
12:32 gerundio    I'm experiencing some issues regarding mails being sent from Koha
12:32 oleonard    Hi all
12:32 gerundio    hi everyone
09:51 * andreashm waves
09:17 Archie^     Yoh Koha team!
08:56 huginn`     ashimema: Joubu was last seen in #koha 8 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Joubu> JesseM: 18.05_D8 is green! I am starting manually the runs for D9 and U18 right now
08:56 ashimema    @seen Joubu
08:53 magnuse     ~~~
08:44 * cait      waves again
08:43 ashimema    hello
08:33 magnuse     \o/
07:56 alex_a      bonjour
07:38 reiveune    hello
07:28 cait        sorry, have to run, bbiab
07:13 cait        I'd start looking if both of those behave the same i guess
07:12 paxed       err, 17.05, of course :D
07:12 cait        and there are only 2 spots we allow to cancel from - basket and parcel
07:12 cait        you can't undo 'cancel order' can't you?
07:11 cait        we are not that far off, 17.11
07:11 paxed       cait: we're running a fork of 17.07
07:10 cait        but if they are new, probably worth investiaging
07:10 cait        i don't know of any unfixed
07:10 cait        there were bugs with the status settings
07:10 fridolin    hi
07:10 paxed       i wonder how that happens.
07:10 paxed       select count(*) from aqorders where datecancellationprinted is not null and orderstatus!='cancelled'; => 172
07:10 paxed       hm.
07:05 huginn`     cait: The operation succeeded.
07:05 cait        @later tell oleonard could you take a look at bug 7088 maybe? It's a circ question about handling renewal overrides of on hold items?
07:05 huginn`     cait: The operation succeeded.
07:05 cait        @later tell caroline could you take a look at bug 7088 maybe? It's a circ question about handling renewal overrides of on hold items - interested in librarian opinions :)
07:04 huginn`     cait: The operation succeeded.
07:04 cait        @later tell wizzyrea could you take a look at bug 7088 maybe? It's a circ question about handling renewal overrides of on hold items
04:23 * mtompset  collapses asleep.