Time  Nick           Message
03:14 mtompset       I hate nested hash structures in perl!
03:14 dcook          Only in Perl? :p
03:14 mtompset       Well, right now items.itemnumber is 9,9
03:14 mtompset       because somewhere, somehow 952,9 is getting corrupted.
03:14 mtompset       and I can't find it.
03:15 mtompset       Added a bunch of print STDERR's into C4/Biblio and trying to trace why my tests are failing.
03:16 mtompset       discovered this corrupted data structure exists inside this whole test file.
03:16 dcook          Alas, I am not following
03:16 mtompset       in C4/Biblio.pm
03:17 mtompset       add a print STDERR line to tell you what $mss has.
03:17 mtompset       use Data::Dumper; print STDERR Dumper($mss);
03:17 mtompset       in the GetMarcFromKohaField
03:17 mtompset       just above the return wantarray.
03:18 mtompset       then run a prove t/db_dependent/Biblio.t
03:18 mtompset       in kshell
03:18 mtompset       on a kohadevbox.
03:18 mtompset       for some strange reason... items.itemnumber is being corrupted from the actual value on the DB.
03:19 mtompset       And yet, when I put something similar into GetMarcSubfieldStructure... it's the correct value.
03:20 mtompset       I've found nested perl structures tend to be nasty when you get something wrong.
03:21 mtompset       It's like messing up C pointers too.
03:21 dcook          I've found Perl to be perfectly safe, but I don't know enough about the issue at hand, and it's past time for me to eat
03:22 mtompset       I* just want to se tup a biblio with two items... and it's blowing up. :(
03:22 mtompset       tag '9' is invalid.
03:23 mtompset       I'm going to call it a night on this.
03:24 mtompset       I'm trying to add GetMarcBiblio testing.
03:24 mtompset       There isn't a full test suite for that function.
04:03 mtompset       Have a great day, #koha dcook
07:24 fridolin       hi
07:25 magnuse        \o/
07:41 reiveune       hello
07:41 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
07:45 alex_a         bonjour
07:45 wahanui        bonjour, alex_a
08:31 * ere          just got the first results via Z39.50 from Elasticsearch
08:32 kohaputti      ere, it would be really nice to get the record processing part of the new ES indexing code multi-threaded!
08:32 kohaputti      so many cores on my machine but just 1 used
08:34 kohaputti      ere, are you writing search engine agnostic sru/z39.50?
08:35 ere            kohaputti: True... a simple way would be to add start offset and skip count to the indexing script so you could run multiple in parallel
08:35 ere            kohaputti: Yes, a better one than the Dancer-based SRU server
08:35 kohaputti      ok, the dancer-based one was super simple! :)
08:36 ere            kohaputti: So is this :)
08:36 kohaputti      I kinda liked it, not too much code to maintain
08:36 ere            kohaputti: Ok, this is over 200 lines, but this quite manageable
08:46 * andreashm    waves
08:56 magnuse        ere++
08:56 magnuse        tjänare andreashm
08:56 andreashm      morn magnuse
10:22 Archie^        hey in what table/row can i find barcodes for items in koha?
10:22 sophie_m       items.barcode Archie^
10:23 Archie^        thanks :)
10:24 Archie^        is there marc21xml space responsible for barcode?
11:29 coyas          hi
11:32 coyas          i am trying to install koha
11:32 coyas          but this error show up
11:33 coyas          Software error: bad template path
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21819: (QA follow-up) Replace onchange() in touched code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aeaf74b7cc6608d7b81aaba10defdca6decdaa1d>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21615: Move stock rotation in the tools menu <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9316001126953c41985eb2853fc25163362591d1>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21853: (follow-up) to solve printpdf error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b62714e47d5acd0a4c371024edacc02cfe6f5b5>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21853: Fix PDF export of basketgroups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c18d4c18fad5a0d470c7bdf1ac746a640f25099>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21819: Marc modification templates action always checks Regexp checkbox <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9fc00db03a8210b3edb69a922209a4e8f6df9a1>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21854: Use template plugin to display category description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=df68391a5ec2eac05a88373dc10c136c8d057e98>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21837: Don't set holdingbranch filter using selected homebranch filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=81ac96abec1226b6635022c0a3f69697d13c7d62>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21823: Force creation of POT file even if there is no messages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9166ba2bff5898f4b93593a60372e8fb2253d44a>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21529: (follow-up) USE raw filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1d24a2b61359552942fc2420fe18c093c169191>
11:33 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21529: (bug 13618 follow-up) Display print notices with HTML tags <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b704a1adfc3fcee739194d7d6cb79800ba991e51>
11:34 coyas          anyone knows what this error is about
11:35 kidclamp       when loading the web installer coyas ?
11:40 coyas          ya
11:40 coyas          see here http://74.124.193.68:8008/
11:57 Archie^        hey where can i manage shelfs in koha?
11:57 kidclamp       check 'DocumentRoot' in the apache settings maybe coyas?
11:57 kidclamp       Archie^: You mean Lists?
11:59 coyas          kidclamp: what i am looking for in DocumentRoot
12:02 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9 build #615: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/615/
12:03 Archie^        kidclamp: i dont know, im looking items.location (marc21xml 952.C ) and i'm not sure should i add them separately for every library?
12:04 kidclamp       ah, those are in authorised values - category LOC
12:04 kidclamp       you can set branch limits for the values I bleiee
12:04 kidclamp       coyas: make sure the path is correct and exists?
12:05 kidclamp       coyas: I am not sure, just checking what I can think of
12:05 * andreashm    waves
12:06 marcelr        hi #koha
12:06 coyas          yes
12:06 coyas          hi
12:06 wahanui        que tal, coyas
12:06 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:07 coyas          eu tenho o koha em catalogos.bn.cv mas o DocumentRoot /var/www/html
12:07 coyas          documentroot esta em outrolugar
12:07 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U18 build #104: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/104/
12:08 marcelr        hi oleonard
12:08 wahanui        hi oleopard
12:08 andreashm      hi oleonard marcelr
12:09 marcelr        o/
12:11 magnuse        any users of the EDS plugin around yet? i get this error: {"DetailedErrorDescription":"Invalid IP.","ErrorDescription":"Invalid IP","ErrorNumber":"139"} so i wonder if i have the wrong IP addresses, or something
12:12 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D8 build #113: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/113/
12:13 ere            magnuse: Not with Koha, but I believe that means the IP address of the Koha server is not allowed in EDS
12:14 Archie^        kidclamp: can you be more specific. What is LOC?
12:14 magnuse        ere: the plugin has a setting where you enter some ip addresses, so i am not sure
12:15 oleonard       Archie^: "LOC" is the code used in authorized values to define shelf locations
12:16 Archie^        ya but the question is: do i need to modify them somewhere in GUI?
12:16 oleonard       Administration -> Authorized values -> Select "LOC" from the dropdown
12:17 Archie^        aye thnx :) great help as always
12:18 magnuse        oleonard++
12:33 coyas          how is suppose to be a DocumentRoot for koha
12:38 coyas          anyone
12:50 magnuse        coyas: are you installing with the debian packages?
12:51 coyas          no
12:51 coyas          manually in centOS
12:52 coyas          is almost done
12:53 Archie^        hey if i check out a book where can i see that on DB level?
12:53 oleonard       Archie^: The issues table
12:53 Archie^        right, freaking forgot
12:53 magnuse        coyas: the debian packages has "DocumentRoot /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs" and "DocumentRoot /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs"
12:53 coyas          ok
12:54 coyas          it give me this error
12:54 coyas          [Tue Nov 20 10:36:20 2018] 404.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'bncv_db0.systempreferences' doesn't exist [for Statement "SELECT `me`.`variable`, `me`.`value`, `me`.`options`, `me`.`explanation`, `me`.`type` FROM `systempreferences` `me` WHERE ( `me`.`variable` = ? )" with ParamValues: 0='template'] at /usr/share/koha/lib/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 1836.
12:54 coyas          [Tue Nov 20 10:36:20 2018] 404.pl: bad template path
12:54 coyas          i think that db will be populate in web installer
12:55 coyas          but here it ask me for table bd.systempreferences
12:55 coyas          who know about this
12:58 oleonard       coyas: The web installer should have populated the database. If you're missing the systempreferences table the installation process didn't finish correctly
12:58 coyas          ok
12:59 coyas          what can i do to make this right, to create an this systempreferences tables?
13:01 oleonard       coyas: If it were me I would be concerned about what other aspects of the installation failed and I would drop/recreate the database and run the installer again
13:01 tcohen         ih
13:01 andreashm      hi tcohen
13:03 coyas          do you have any document that will teach me install it manually (using make, make install, install in etc/koha, usr/share/koha, ...)
13:03 coyas          without using apt-get or others package managers
13:04 oleonard       coyas: You might find something on the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.org
13:05 coyas          they will not help me
13:06 coyas          only support debian and it's derivatives
13:06 ashimema       `perl Makefile.PL` -> `make` -> `make install`
13:07 oleonard       https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=centos&go=Go
13:07 ashimema       not all that much more to it..
13:07 ashimema       the first step will ask you questions to get the initial configuration
13:10 coyas          ok, how i will install this ins /etc/koha and /usr/share/koha
13:10 coyas          this steps is not in these articles
13:13 ashimema       the `make install` will do that so long as you chose the `production` option during the `perl Makefile.PL` stage
13:13 ashimema       sorry.. `standard` not `production`.. it's been a while since I did it
13:20 magnuse        kidclamp: do you happen to know what should go in the "IP Addresses" setting of the EDS plugin?
13:21 coyas          to install koha manually i need to create the database or will be created automatically?
13:27 tcohen         coyas: you need to create it, and create a DB user with permissions on that DB
13:27 tcohen         then do the perl Makefile.PL step
13:27 tcohen         specifying those db/user/pass
13:27 ashimema       you'll need to create the database I believe
13:27 coyas          i have a problem with this perls module
13:28 coyas          a lot dependence
13:29 eythian        there is/was a script that'd do a lot of the dependency installing for you.
13:30 oleonard       coyas: The information on the wiki about installing on CentOS may refer to an older version of Koha but it does contain useful information like: Creating the database
13:30 coyas          ok
13:30 tcohen         oleonard++
13:30 coyas          i have centOS in vagrant to do the test
13:33 Freddy_Enrique Greetings everyone
13:37 kidclamp       magnuse - it is the ip for the server if using ip based authentication (as opposed to username/password) in configuration
13:37 kidclamp       I tihnk?
13:48 marcelr        hi kidclamp
13:48 kidclamp       hi marcelr
13:48 marcelr        kidclamp: need any further light on 21774
13:48 marcelr        ?
13:49 kidclamp       no, I will push, I won't like it
13:49 marcelr        the pipe was there in the past too
13:50 kidclamp       blech
13:50 marcelr        it was/is hardcoded even
13:50 kidclamp       confusing too that the fields are combined on next edit
13:50 marcelr        you should check that
13:51 marcelr        i think that it is not correct; i have two fields
13:51 kidclamp       but if I were to pitch a fit about every piece of koha I don't like, we'd be here a while
13:51 kidclamp       let me double check
13:51 marcelr        yes
13:51 marcelr        restart plack etc
13:54 kidclamp       hmm...separet fields now
13:54 marcelr        thats what i would expect yes
13:55 kidclamp       what about fields tied to authorized values?
13:55 marcelr        i tested ccode
13:55 marcelr        and it worked
13:56 marcelr        no exception for av
13:56 kidclamp       i tired with $j tied to stack and is not working
13:56 marcelr        hmm but you cant reproduce now?
13:56 kidclamp       reproducing no
13:56 kidclamp       reproducing now
13:56 kidclamp       testing with ccode
13:57 kidclamp       doesn't work for me
13:58 marcelr        kidclamp: let me try again first now
13:58 marcelr        latest master..
14:00 kidclamp       oh, working now
14:01 kidclamp       not sure what I did there
14:01 marcelr        kidclamp: it works for me
14:01 marcelr        clone a field, save open again
14:01 * kidclamp     pushes the thing and hides
14:01 marcelr        for cloning you need repeatable in fw
14:02 marcelr        where it gets interesting is bug 21800
14:02 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21800 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , TransformKohaToMarc should respect non-repeatability of item subfields
14:02 marcelr        we should solve that somehow in next release and backport
14:02 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21774: Cloned item subfields disappear when editing an item <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f34dd06ec66b11a914e49eb611714ea4c72771d>
14:02 marcelr        kind of an enhancement of old behavior
14:03 barton         morning all!
14:03 marcelr        hi barton
14:03 kidclamp       sorry for the troubles marcel
14:03 greenjimll     Hello - dev meeting?
14:03 marcelr        np kidclamp
14:04 marcelr        hi greenjimll
14:04 marcelr        no idea about a meeting
14:04 greenjimll     Oh... I have a Development IRC meeting in my calendar for 14:00 UTC.
14:04 barton         thanks for mentionioning it greenjimll, that's why I'm here. :-)
14:04 greenjimll     https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_21_November_2018
14:04 kidclamp       yes, meeting
14:04 kidclamp       one moment
14:05 kidclamp       #startmeeting
14:05 huginn         kidclamp: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'
14:05 kidclamp       #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 21 November 2018
14:05 huginn         Meeting started Wed Nov 21 14:05:31 2018 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:05 huginn         Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:05 huginn         The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_21_november_2018'
14:05 kidclamp       #topic Introductions
14:05 kidclamp       #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions
14:06 barton         #info Barton Chittenden, ByWaterSolutions
14:06 marcelr        #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum NL
14:06 greenjimll     #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University
14:07 kidclamp       #topic Announcements
14:07 kidclamp       anybody?
14:07 greenjimll     nothing from me.
14:08 tcohen         #info Tomas Cohen Arazi
14:08 barton         morning tcohen
14:08 kidclamp       #topic Update from the Release Manager
14:09 kidclamp       #info Release is coming along - combing through the release notes and the majors and above in bugzilla to fix whatever we can
14:10 kidclamp       #info possibly considering 21826/19365 - would be nice to fix this, but don't want to cause issues this close to release
14:10 kidclamp       any exytra QA eyes on those bugs would be appreciated
14:10 kidclamp       bug 21826
14:10 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Passed QA , Automatic authority record generation improvements
14:10 kidclamp       bug 19365
14:10 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19365 major, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Passed QA , link_bibs_to_authorities.pl doesn't work with Elasticsearch
14:10 ashimema       #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe
14:10 * ashimema     got the time confused
14:11 kidclamp       thanks to all for lots of hard work, looking forward to sending this one out the door
14:11 kidclamp       that's all from me, just thank you again to all
14:12 kidclamp       #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:12 kidclamp       ashimema: fridolin
14:12 wahanui        well, fridolin is indeed, but maybe not on Rmain 18.11
14:12 ashimema       I have a test failing (selenium) which I'm working on a fix for
14:13 ashimema       otherwise, we're not in bad shape for the next (and my final) 18.05.x release
14:13 ashimema       I'm steady at 50 commits behind master right now.. bit I think the majority of those are enhancements
14:13 fridolin       yep
14:13 fridolin       #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
14:14 ashimema       #info 18.05.x branch has one current failing test.. I believe it's the test rather than the feature that's failing
14:14 greenjimll     I hate it when tests do that!
14:14 ashimema       #info 18.05.x is currently 50 commits begind master, but the majority of those are enhancements and as such won't be backported
14:15 ashimema       #info 18.05.x is otherwise on target for release next week
14:15 fridolin       I have selenium not configured in Jenkins for 17.11.x
14:15 thd            #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:15 fridolin       otherwise its OK, a bit late on 18.05 backports
14:16 kidclamp       thanks guys, anything else?
14:16 ashimema       not from me :)
14:16 fridolin       I'm ok
14:17 kidclamp       #inf 17.11 is a bit behind but coming along, releases on target for release next week
14:17 kidclamp       #topci Updates from the QA team
14:17 kidclamp       #topic Updates from the QA team
14:17 kidclamp       cait around?
14:17 kidclamp       Joubu: marcelr Josef_moravec alex_a jajm
14:17 marcelr        no updates
14:18 kidclamp       khall tcohen
14:18 kidclamp       #info The QA team is awesome, bugs get QAed, things get fixed, the people are happy
14:19 kidclamp       moving on
14:19 kidclamp       #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:19 tcohen         .-D
14:19 kidclamp       anything?
14:19 greenjimll     I like bz-splitter!
14:19 marcelr        bug 21336 needs SO
14:19 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , GDPR: Handle unsubscribe requests automatically by optional (administrative) lock, anonymize and remove
14:19 barton         greenjimll++
14:19 ashimema       bz-splitter needs a little love to stop it from crashing frequently..
14:20 greenjimll     Going to be useful for bug-wrangling though to easily spot bugs that might need a nudge.
14:20 kidclamp       #info bug 21336 could use attention GDPR
14:20 kidclamp       #info splitter is an amazing tool, could use some attention to keep it running
14:21 kidclamp       what does it need ashimema - code work or server help?
14:21 greenjimll     I take it 21336 will be a 19.05 thing now?
14:21 kidclamp       indeed
14:22 greenjimll     Be good to get bug 20028 sorted out for the same release (other side of GDPR coin)
14:22 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20028 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, J.P.Knight, Failed QA , Export all patron related personal data in one package
14:22 ashimema       code work
14:23 ashimema       seems to crash whenever an ipv6 address hits it
14:23 ashimema       Joubu and I are both aware but haven't been able to personally replicate
14:23 ashimema       and neither of us have time at the minute to investigate further.
14:23 ashimema       we'll get to it at some point ;)
14:24 kidclamp       cool
14:24 kidclamp       moving on?
14:24 ashimema       yup
14:24 kidclamp       #info bug 20028 is a good candidate for 19.05 too
14:24 kidclamp       #topic Review of coding guidelines
14:24 kidclamp       barton?
14:24 barton         right.
14:25 barton         So I wrote the notices and slips wiki page, and that's sort of been the backbone of the notices and slips documentation for a while.
14:25 cait           sorry, almost missed the meeting
14:26 cait           #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:26 barton         you made it for the good part ;-).
14:26 barton         anyway, I entered bug 21858 to move my work off the wiki into POD.
14:27 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , RFC: Notices and slips documentation
14:27 barton         ... and I'd like to create a coding guideline that says that any new notices need to be documented.
14:27 greenjimll     POD is good. Literate programming.
14:28 cait           I'd like to suggest not using POD in favor of manual patches
14:28 cait           POD is used in our files atm, but not as standalone separte from methods like this suggestion
14:28 cait           it would require manual people to replicate for the manual reading the POD file
14:28 ashimema       I like POD for within modules and aimed at developers... for user facing stuff a manual patch
14:28 ashimema       that's my opinion
14:28 ashimema       if POD is just feeding Manual.. then it's always going to get out of sync
14:28 marcelr        yeah pod may not be the best place here
14:29 cait           we are terribly at keeping thing in sync
14:29 barton         I've got 5 people at bywater who are *itching* to get notices stuff into the manual. I'm not worried about carrying that over.
14:29 ashimema       but I certianly DO like the idea of it being a guideline to state manual merge requests should accompany bugzilla submissions (whenever apropriate)
14:30 barton         getting devs to document the intent of the notices is the hard part.
14:31 ashimema       we already require POD updates for changes to and additions of methods/subs
14:31 ashimema       so how is this different to that..
14:31 marcelr        managing devs is hard
14:31 cait           getting devs to documet is hard, but I think it's not too much to ask
14:32 kidclamp       I would agree, manual is a better place
14:32 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9 build #616: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/616/
14:32 ashimema       needs to continue to be something easy for QA'ers to spot and fail patches for.. having an entirely separate POD file that collates notices docs is going to be hard to spot when missing..
14:32 ashimema       or did I misunderstand the request?
14:33 kidclamp       this pod could all go into the individual scripts/module too, no? Then it would need to be maintained by devs without being a sepearate file?
14:33 cait           not os easily
14:33 ashimema       that's where I would aim for
14:33 barton         Ok, so I created a separate file, *mostly* so that I had something to show people.
14:33 cait           i mean it's pretty spread out in the code right no
14:33 cait           w
14:33 cait           but methods shoudl be documented
14:34 ashimema       if a Dev adds a notice then there's going to be an associated method/sub somewhere for that notice.. that's where the POD documentation should go..
14:34 cait           yep
14:34 barton         ... but I'm not stuck on the pod. As long as it's documented somewhere, and we have a coding guideline, I'm happy.
14:34 cait           i think converting your work already done for the manual would be great
14:35 cait           it's a good template too
14:35 greenjimll     I get the feeling that the proliferation of syntaxes is also an issue in this case, because individual devs haven't necessarily seen what others have done? Or am I misunderstanding?
14:35 ashimema       that is then something manual maints can use to construct the manual updates from (and that's actualy where a new guideline would be good encouraging devs to at least setup a stub manual merge request for the needed docs update)
14:35 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U18 build #105: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/105/
14:35 kidclamp       we don't have a guideline requiring manual patches, but I think QA at least suggests for new features, no?
14:35 barton         ^^ what greenjimll said.
14:36 ashimema       I know I do ;)
14:36 barton         The documentation *needs* to be centralized.
14:36 greenjimll     How do we submit a manual patch for something that hasn't yet been signed off/passed QA (and so may change radically)
14:37 cait           you can do it and mark it WIP
14:37 ashimema       well.. for 'Stock Rotation' for example I marked it with WIP
14:37 cait           or you could write up a note on the release notes that is nice and clear for a start
14:37 greenjimll     OK, is that process documented?
14:37 ashimema       and noted it was awaiting final QA of the bug
14:37 ashimema       not that I know of..
14:37 ashimema       that's where a new guildeline could come in
14:38 * ashimema     would love to automate some of it somehow.. but hasn't got that far
14:38 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D8 build #114: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/114/
14:38 * ashimema     actually submitted a WIP merge request with just titles to start with.. then got his customer services team to write the human facing first draft (which I then maintained whilst the bug went through QA)
14:39 cait           :)
14:40 cait           would someone be willing to write up the pod to a manual merge request?
14:40 cait           some of it might already be documented
14:40 cait           i think we at least have an explanation for the notices code
14:40 cait           s
14:40 kidclamp       sounds like consensus is move this bug to master, consider a guideline for manual patches when submitting new features/ changing existing features?
14:41 cait           +1
14:41 ashimema       +1
14:41 greenjimll     Er, I thought I was in the minority in liking POD in a file (which is what this bug does at the moment)?
14:41 kidclamp       Does someone want to draft that for next meeting and send out to lists for opinion?
14:41 barton         I can talk to bywater's education team; jzairo or donna.
14:42 ashimema       +1
14:43 barton         +1
14:44 greenjimll     I'm not clear what folk are +1'ing? Getting 21858 pushed to master?
14:44 kidclamp       #action Barton will see about getting a guideline for manual patches drafted and send to community
14:44 thd            greenjimll: While I do not know where the majority stands, I think past difficulties have been about outdated POD not being updated.
14:44 kidclamp       greenjimll: I think to move it to manual and consider a guideline to require manual changes
14:44 marcelr        yes, move it to the manual
14:45 greenjimll     kidclamp: Ah, you said, " move this bug to master" and confused me.
14:45 kidclamp       hah, I meant manual
14:45 * kidclamp     looks around for more coffee
14:45 greenjimll     In which case, +1
14:46 marcelr        first write a proposed guideline ?
14:46 barton         I'll take care of that.
14:46 kidclamp       barton++
14:47 ashimema       barton++
14:47 ashimema       it's great having manual improvements happening again :)
14:48 kidclamp       #agreed bug 21858 will be converted a patch for manual, barton will get a guideline for manual submissions drafted
14:48 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , RFC: Notices and slips documentation
14:48 marcelr        barton++
14:48 kidclamp       anything else? or set next meeting?
14:48 barton         I'm good. Veni Vidi Documentii
14:49 kidclamp       #topci Set time of next meeting
14:49 kidclamp       #topic Set time of next meeting
14:50 kidclamp       December 12? is three weeks, but avoids general meeting overlap, or combine the two on december 5th?
14:50 kidclamp       two meetings is too many
14:50 marcelr        not on same date
14:50 greenjimll     12th works for me (I assume this will be an evening one in UTC)?
14:51 kidclamp       December 12, 20 UTC?
14:51 greenjimll     +1
14:51 kidclamp       yup, we alternate
14:51 ashimema       +1
14:52 kidclamp       #info Next meeting: 12 December 2018, 20 UTC
14:52 kidclamp       #endmeeting
14:52 huginn         Meeting ended Wed Nov 21 14:52:45 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:52 huginn         Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_21_november_2018.2018-11-21-14.05.html
14:52 huginn         Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_21_november_2018.2018-11-21-14.05.txt
14:52 huginn         Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_21_november_2018.2018-11-21-14.05.log.html
14:52 kidclamp       Thanks all!
14:52 greenjimll     Thanks folks!
14:53 ashimema       ta
14:54 marcelr        did we solve all the bugs?
14:54 cait           i hope so :)
14:54 marcelr        ashimema: 21774 is for you now
14:55 cait           knocked out by a cold again... be back soon
14:55 marcelr        cait++
14:55 ashimema       ta.. will grab it soon
14:55 ashimema       just fighting with SOAP at the minute
14:55 marcelr        hopefully for next release
14:55 cait           ew
14:56 ashimema       it'll certainly be in the next point release
14:56 marcelr        great
15:01 marcelr        sorry kidclamp ashimema but temporarily moving 21826 to fqa
15:02 kidclamp       thanks for looking there
15:02 ashimema       ta for looking marcelr :)
15:03 marcelr        was forced by kidclamp ;)
15:04 * kidclamp     flexes his RM muscles
15:04 marcelr        kidclamp++
15:04 marcelr        when do you exactly release ?
15:04 marcelr        still 26th
15:04 kidclamp       27th
15:05 marcelr        ok
15:05 kidclamp       we are on holiday after today so will finsih up monday so mirko can do magic
15:06 marcelr        let me qa 100 bugs on friday
15:06 kidclamp       please!
15:10 * ashimema     goes on the next school run.. brb
15:16 ithan          having error - 4 signatures not checked due to missing keys
15:17 ithan          while adding gpg key - wget -q -O- https://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -
15:17 ithan          please help
15:43 oleonard       Sorry to have missed the meeting AND to have forgotten to /away myself
15:43 oleonard       y'all probably thought I was deliberately ignoring you
15:45 eythian        you shoulda seen the backchannel abuse you were getting!
15:46 oleonard       I felt a great disturbance in the Force.
15:50 barton         millions of bibs screaming out in terror and then were silenced?
15:51 oleonard       It was millions of sick burns
16:03 eythian        oleonard: http://wondermark.com/c1414/ and just keep pressing next for more sick elephants
16:07 eythian        (i warn you, it eventually devolves into terrible puns.)
16:08 eythian        hence I thought it might be your sort of thing.
16:11 oleonard       I'm not sure I like what you are insinuating, sir
16:18 reiveune       bye
16:28 tuxayo         eythian: I like the humor and visual style, thanks for sharing this ^^
16:28 ashimema       +1
16:28 ashimema       made me giggle
16:51 greenjimll     Ah, git bz is deciding to not play nicely with SSL certificates on my Kohadevbox. This'll be a fun fix.
16:55 oleonard       Bug 21758 is a simple template fix... Good quick signoff I hope?
16:55 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21758 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Navigation in Z39.50 result pages not working in Acquisitions
17:00 greenjimll     vagrant provision solves the git bz issue (just in case anyone searches for it in the future and finds this IRC log)
17:41 oleonard       khall: Could we get a test plan on Bug 21495?
17:41 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21495 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Regression in hold override functionality
17:57 oleonard       Why does the ILL header menu item appear on some pages and not others?
17:57 cait           bug?
17:57 wahanui        i think bug is quite fun as it happens randomly, I guess that's why I closed it few months ago
18:17 oleonard       Good job wahanui, nice to see you fixing some bugs
18:34 ashimema       Hehe
19:08 oleonard       My fellow Americans, enjoy your day off tomorrow. I'll be back Tuesday.
22:42 ithan          hi
22:42 wahanui        salut, ithan
22:43 ithan          i need help
22:46 ithan          when i issue command "wget -q -O- https://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add -", i got some messages 4 signatures not checked due to missing keys,  sub  B2A08A65DF7647F2 duplicate signatures removed, 157 signatures not checked due to missing keys, 1 signature not checked due to a missing key ---- is this error ? can we ignore it or need attention --- please help
22:49 ithan          hi, wahaniui
22:50 ithan          hi wahanui
22:53 ithan          is there anyone to help