Time Nick Message 03:05 laeng สวัสดี 03:05 laeng ้ร 03:05 laeng hi 03:05 wahanui hey, laeng 03:06 laeng There is a problem creating a callnumber label. 03:06 laeng There is a problem creating a callnumber label. 03:07 laeng hi 03:07 laeng There is a problem creating a callnumber label. 03:08 laeng Everything is set correctly, but it is white. 03:08 laeng Is there a way to fix it? 06:45 fridolin hi 07:45 reiveune hello 07:45 wahanui privet, reiveune 07:56 alex_a bonjour 07:56 wahanui hello, alex_a 08:15 tuxayo hi #koha o/ 08:25 * andreashm waves 08:26 * cait waves 08:26 andreashm hey cait 08:26 andreashm getting ready to upgrade? 08:27 cait hm? 08:30 magnuse \o/ 08:30 * magnuse is doing an upgrade to 18.05 for a customer tomorrow 08:41 andreashm cait: I thought you where in the process of upgrading? seen you comment a lot about 17.11.11. =) 08:41 andreashm magnuse: good luck 08:51 magnuse andreashm: thanks! already have one customer running it, so not expecting any great surprises 08:51 * magnuse makes a note of bug 21486 08:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21486 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , SIP does not return checked out (charged) items on patron_information request 09:01 Archie^ Good morning everyone 09:01 ashimema Mornin' #koha 09:02 andreashm magnuse: I would keep an eye on the behaviour of MarkLostItemsAsReturned 09:03 andreashm (depending on what you upgrade from) 09:03 andreashm hi ashimema 09:04 ashimema :) 09:11 ashimema andreashm, any opinion on bug 21754 09:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21754 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Needs Signoff , If an item is marked as lost, any outstanding transfers upon it should be automatically cancelled 09:12 ashimema you seemed knowledgable about that area pointing out changes to MarkLostItemsAsReturned ;) 09:12 andreashm ashimema: I have been thinking about that one. trying to come up with a use case for keeping the transfer... but so far hasn't thought of one. =) 09:12 ashimema :) 09:12 * andreashm has been struggling with lost items the last few weeks yes. =) 09:13 ashimema I would really like to QA it today.. but as it's migrated twice now I kinda feel I need a new SO (rather than migrating Owens signoff from the original bug) 09:13 ashimema what's wrong in 18.05 with lost items then? 09:13 andreashm ashimema: the one case I have been thinking about is if the lost item is actually returned... but that would trigger a new transfer (if it is not checked in at the home branch), right? 09:13 ashimema I wasn't aware of any problems.. happy to try and help 09:14 ashimema yup 09:14 * andreashm is on 17.11 09:14 ashimema it should trigger a new transfer 09:14 ashimema I think the thing you'd lose is transfers setup by holds/reserves 09:14 andreashm And have got it sorted now. Kind of. It was bug 20285 09:14 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20285 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Lost item refund won't always pay down lost item fee first 09:15 ashimema but that's where bug 20844 comes in 09:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, ASSIGNED , Reset a hold when it is missing after allocation 09:17 andreashm ah thanks 09:19 * andreashm goes to look at 21754 09:23 * ashimema wonders if there's ever a reason one would not want to fire the ItemLost routine after marking an item as lost 09:26 andreashm ashimema: I'm sure there is some (weird?) use case for that! =) 09:26 ashimema lol 09:26 ashimema quote 123 09:26 ashimema huginn (IRC): quote123 09:26 huginn ashimema: I've exhausted my database of quotes 09:27 ashimema hmm 09:28 magnuse @quote get 123 09:28 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 09:28 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 09:29 ashimema thats the one 09:29 ashimema thanks magnuse 09:29 magnuse a key piece of koha lore :-) 09:29 ashimema still feels prone to error to have to manually call LostItem after any case of ModItem around the codebase 09:30 ashimema especially as they seem to often be called a long way apart 09:30 magnuse sounds fragile, yes 09:30 ashimema very odd.. make's QA 'hard' 09:35 Archie^ i'm having trouble understanding what is considered an "item" in terms of KOHA 09:35 Archie^ or libraries for that matter 09:36 ashimema item = 'the thing you're lending.. the physical thing you put on the shelf' 09:36 ashimema library = 'the building the shelves are in' 09:36 Archie^ no i mean i get that 09:37 ashimema caveat.. library 'could' be a small group of buildings if you really wanted it to be 09:37 ashimema so what don't you get? ;) 09:37 Archie^ but what im trying to understand is, how do i specify difference of books in koha that these are " items " in " library" 09:41 Archie^ ok i stated my question incorrectly 09:41 Archie^ i have a database of books from a specific library. Now how would i add these books into koha, so koha knows that these are the books from this specific library 09:42 andreashm Is the data in MARC/MARCXML? 09:43 Archie^ it's marcXML. i know that i can upload the data via tools -> Stage MARC records for import but as far as i understand it will just upload these books into koha without actually mapping them to one specific Library 09:44 Archie^ or do i need to login into koha and on login page i need to select the specific library and it should be enough 09:44 andreashm Yes, you need to add items to these books, an have one field (homebranch) use the branchcode of that library 09:45 ashimema what andreashm said 09:45 andreashm Bibliographic records (what you are uploading) won't connect to a specific branch/library, but items do. 09:45 * ashimema uses bulkmarcimport.pl from the command line personally.. but it's basically the same thing 09:46 andreashm I think you can add items as 952 fields in the marcxml record, when you import it will be added as an item 09:46 * andreashm might be wrong about the field... seldom adds items to records on import 09:46 Archie^ ashimema: i tried using bulkmarcimport but somehow i cant run it correctly 09:47 Archie^ so that means i have to modify every record in marcxml file ? 09:47 ashimema yup 09:47 ashimema shouldn't be a desperately hard edit though 09:47 ashimema or.. you're old ILS should be able to add items into their export 09:47 ashimema that's how most systems I've worked with do it.. 09:47 ashimema there's an option in the export to include items 09:48 Archie^ nah, that old legacy system BARELY supports marcXML, that's why we are migrating to KOHA ;D 09:48 ashimema it's been a long time.. but I vaguely remember it being fairly simple using MarcEdit or similar tools 09:48 Archie^ hmm, yeah good idea, marcedit might do that 09:49 andreashm how many records are we talking about? 09:50 Archie^ ~ 8k 10:00 andreashm Should be doable with MarcEdit then 10:06 andreashm bug 21754 10:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21754 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Signed Off , If an item is marked as lost, any outstanding transfers upon it should be automatically cancelled 10:06 andreashm ashimema: ^^ 10:07 ashimema :D 10:07 ashimema thanks.. that'll makes Alex's day :) 10:07 ashimema i'll get onto qa 10:09 cait andreashm++ ashimema++ 10:54 ashimema pqa :) 10:58 Archie^ Marc Edit does not understand russian language ;D 10:59 ashimema oh, fun 11:00 Archie^ allright, brb, lunch time 11:00 ashimema ever scripted.. Marc::Record would probably be my next tool.. (actually I would usually start by scripting, but I presumed you were a gui guy 😉 ) 11:53 Archie^ nah i'm not into scripting ;D 11:53 Archie^ you are right, i'm 100% gui guy 11:55 kidclamp hello everyone 11:56 Archie^ hi kidclamp 12:01 magnuse kia ora kidclamp 12:02 magnuse gah, i have several servers/instances where the fix from https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DBMS_auto_increment_fix does not seem to work... 12:11 Archie^ a damn i had to restart my pc. What was the MARC record for koha to list items ? 12:11 Archie^ ashimema: ^ 12:12 Archie^ ? TRIK 12:12 Archie^ * 952? 12:18 kidclamp that not good magnue 12:18 kidclamp magnuse 12:19 kidclamp Archie 952 is where item information is stored for koha 12:19 kidclamp bug 21777 12:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562) 12:19 kidclamp easy sign off, bad bug 12:31 Archie^ right so from what i gathered i need to add encoding ISO 8859 - 4 into marcedit and that's not going to happen any time soon. guess i need to work with developers on this one 12:43 * ashimema needs more :Tea: 12:45 oleonard Hi all 12:46 Archie^ hi oleonard 12:46 wahanui hi oleopard 13:02 magnuse Archie^: if you have not seen it, this page will tell you more about the use of 952 for item data: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx) 13:02 magnuse oleonard! 13:02 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though 13:02 magnuse the horror! 13:02 * oleonard is used to it. 13:04 cait ashimema: question for you... can you configure more than one shibboleth provider with Koha? 13:04 ashimema yes.. it's done outside of koha itself though 13:05 ashimema the native service provider software supports it for us and we just map the same was we usually do at the koha end 13:06 ashimema you'd need to make sure the mapping.xml for each IdP is setup nicely to map the two different IdP's to a 'nice' overlapping final output which goes to Koha 13:06 * ashimema is scared of writing tests for C4::Breeding now 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: DBRev 18.06.00.052 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=29456ce3d8115a2287fd7c103c9fd9acd9bbee1b> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (RM follow-up) Adjust a few template conditions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d932101fa3ff620cd61994cecec6117ebb8ca2e7> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Correct database update for manage_item_search_fields permi... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a29824970c900706b5fe158379c357516937730c> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Move udpate to perl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=89b16151ca89400f80d7c1a847ffe69cc84b02cb> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21619: Expand tax abreviations in acquisitions form hints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dec84e08208b16ea0d6c1423b8d0b724a5c3a777> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Keep parameters_remaining_permissions for now <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa611c5b7299c0c2d813d478f2beea95236f5951> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21474: Add the Koha::Subscription->frequency method <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bd3e6736cf057682ccbd01574d979670e18132b> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Fix some typos <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88753242468cc4c88d916ab9aa57e8473539b9dc> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21387: Receive items from - form should include tax hints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=702ca8e9a341ea8350bb69596be5ce8c29596b45> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (QA follow-up) Resolve POD warn on svc..systempreferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=16f475e49358a5a808f34edb301605a480efac2e> 13:09 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: Add granular permissions to the administration module <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=252f4674a56301c22dda32f2d41985c26f185650> 13:16 marcelr hi #koha 13:17 marcelr oleonard: any suggestion for bug 21709 ? did we talk about that before.. 13:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21709 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Addbiblio shows tag editor icons which do nothing 13:19 oleonard We talked about cataloging plugin buttons a while ago, and I thought there was a bug you were working on which was going to lay the groundwork for some changes 13:21 magnuse ooh cait: bug 14391 13:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14391 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Granular permissions for the administration module 13:21 magnuse @confetti! 13:21 huginn magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes 13:23 cait confetti! 13:23 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:23 cait yep... now one more.... and I will be a really happy cait :) 13:25 marcelr oleonard: somehow nothing happened ;) 13:26 marcelr but if i add a new class for it, would you have some nice styling in mind ? 13:26 marcelr cait++ 13:26 oleonard I know I had some work in progress for that, now I have to see if I can find it... 13:27 marcelr would be great 13:29 magnuse automatic renewals - are they supposed to start happening the day after a loan was issued? i would expect them to start when the due date is getting closed. one library that uses them is running out of allowed renewals before the due date is passed... 13:31 magnuse *getting close 13:32 kidclamp you have to set the no renewals before magnuse 13:33 kidclamp that prevents the items from renewing until they have been out a while 13:33 magnuse it is set, at least now. i will double check that it wasn't done very recently 13:34 oleonard kidclamp: We don't have that set at all. What is the recommended value? 13:35 Joubu iirc there is a bug reported for this feature 13:35 Joubu and a patch 13:35 Joubu bug 19014 13:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19014 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patrons should not get a on_reserve notification if the due date is far into the future 13:36 magnuse also bug 21499 13:36 cait magnuse: set the no renewal before value 13:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21499 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Emails about automatic renewal sent in error 13:36 cait magnuse: only allow renewals x days before the due date - so renewals will only start getting tried then 13:36 magnuse cait: it is set, but to the same value as the loan period. could that be a problem? 13:37 cait yes 13:37 cait that#s immediately 13:37 cait we have something between 2-5 days 13:37 magnuse ah... 13:37 cait so 2 days before the loan period ends... you can renew 13:38 oleonard cait: I don't understand how that affects automatic renewals 13:38 cait it affects both, normal and automatic 13:39 cait the auto-renewal checks like the normal ones if a renewal is possible (yet) and if not, it doesn't happen 13:39 cait so in theory if you have it not set, the user can check out an item and go immediately to the opac and renew the item 13:39 cait depending on how you calculate the the due date 13:40 magnuse that made things a lot clearer for me! 13:40 cait they either get a much nicer due_date immediately (which makes renewals kind of nonsense) or they lose a renewal attempt because the same date will be caluclated 13:40 magnuse cait++ Joubu++ 13:40 cait so you can choose to let them only renew a certain time period before things are due and negate those effects 13:40 * cait hopes that makes sense 13:42 cait kidclamp++ 13:43 oleonard So without "no renewal before" set, automatic renewals renew everything every day? 13:43 cait i'd think so 13:43 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #86: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/86/ 13:44 oleonard cait: It doesn't appear to be working that way for us in production 13:45 magnuse oleonard: from the docs: "Items can be renewed at any time if this value is left blank. Otherwise items can only be renewed if the item is due after the number in units (days/hours) entered in this box." https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/administration.html#default-circulation-rules 13:45 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #597: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/597/ 13:46 oleonard magnuse: But do automatic renewals follow that rule? It doesn't appear that they do, assuming the our automatic renewal process runs nightly. 13:46 cait oleonard: did you check the number of renewals on some items? shoudl be easy to see from there 13:46 cait oleonard: i know they used to, one of our libraries developed the initial auto-renew 13:46 cait i am not sure what might have changed, but it was definitely like that 13:49 oleonard In our production system, running 17.11.10, we have automatic renewals with no "no renewal before" value set for any item type. An item I checked out on 2018-10-12 has been automatically renewed once, on 2018-10-26 13:49 Joubu cait: I think bug 14391 caused the last Jenkins failure 13:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14391 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Granular permissions for the administration module 13:49 Joubu https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/86/consoleFull 13:49 oleonard That matches our 14 day checkout period. 13:49 andreashm we have a ridiculous high numer for no renewals before 13:49 Joubu cait: koha_1 | An element could not be located on the page using the given search parameters: //div[@class="main container-fluid"]//a[contains(@href, "/admin/categories.pl")],xpath at /kohadevbox/koha/t/lib/Selenium.pm line 160. 13:49 Joubu cait: koha_1 | SCREENSHOT: https://framapic.org/2vzFPRMkHvyA/pSVycziXstLI 13:50 Archie^ am i am the only one who has a "column_23" in table branches? 13:50 Joubu the link "Patron categories" is not displayed 13:51 magnuse oleonard: i don't know how it behaves with a 2-5 day value for "no renewal before", but i will find out :-) 13:52 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #93: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/93/ 13:52 magnuse andreashm: how high is ridiculous, and how does it behave then? 13:52 oleonard The issue we're having with automatic renewals is that the "item due" notice seems to go out *just* before the automatic renewal goes through :P 13:52 andreashm magnuse: 999 13:52 andreashm It doesn't renew until the due date 13:54 andreashm I'm not sure why we don't have 0 instead. Should be the same result 13:54 oleonard Archie^: I hope you're the only one :| 13:55 Archie^ can someone check? ;D don't remember me creating it 13:56 oleonard Archie^: I don't. 13:56 Archie^ cool then it's safe to remove. Tnx oleonard 13:58 * cait waves 13:59 cait Joubu: UGH 14:00 cait magnuse: andreashm: the difference could be something like "" vs. NULL vs. 9 14:00 cait um 0 14:00 cait Joubu: i will look into fixing it after the meeting 14:01 kidclamp I got it cait, easy fix 14:01 cait ok thx! 14:01 cait another typo? 14:01 andreashm cait: yeah, possibly 14:02 cait meeting now? 14:02 andreashm meeting? 14:03 cait next meetings? 14:03 cait irc meetings? 14:03 oleonard Yeah I could meeting. 14:03 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 14391: (follow-up) check for correct patron categories permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e40907a67e6fdcdca6e4eda4c1a74a238275fe1c> 14:03 cait hm wahanui 14:03 andreashm sleeping on the job wahanui? 14:03 kidclamp #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 November 2018 14:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 7 14:03:50 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018' 14:03 kidclamp #topic Introductions 14:04 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:04 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:04 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe 14:04 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions 14:04 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 14:04 kidclamp #chair cait 14:04 huginn Current chairs: cait kidclamp 14:04 kidclamp #chair Joubu 14:04 huginn Current chairs: Joubu cait kidclamp 14:04 georgew #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System 14:04 Joubu qa_team? 14:04 Joubu wahanui: ? 14:04 wahanui i don't know, joubu 14:04 AndrewIsh #info Andrew Isherwood, PTFS Europe 14:04 Joubu rmaints? 14:04 wahanui hmmm... rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints 14:05 Joubu wahanui: qa_team? 14:05 wahanui joubu: wish i knew 14:05 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre France 14:05 fridolin hé bonjour 14:05 cait memory loss? 14:05 cait Rmaints? 14:05 wahanui it has been said that Rmaints is ashimema and fridolin are the rmaints 14:05 cait Qa_team 14:05 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:05 kidclamp QAteam? 14:05 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 14:06 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 14:06 kidclamp ppor wahanui 14:06 cait qa? 14:06 cait davidnind: sleep walking? 14:07 ashimema qa team 14:07 fridolin davidnind nice to see you :D 14:07 kidclamp alex_a, jajm, marcelr, khall, tcohen, josefmoravec, ashimema,rangi 14:07 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_7_November_2018 14:07 davidnind cait: feels like it! Keep on waking up at ridiculous times! 14:07 kidclamp #topic Announcements 14:07 davidnind hi fridolin! 14:07 ashimema wahanui (IRC): qa team 14:07 wahanui qa team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way 14:07 * cait shrugs 14:08 cait he is not that wrong.... coooookies 14:08 kidclamp anybody have announcements? 14:08 ashimema feature slush ;) 14:09 kidclamp yup 14:09 georgew koha-US has a meeting today at 16:30 UTC 14:09 cait #info koha-US has a meeting today at 16:30 UTC 14:09 georgew I had the link a second ago. hold on. 14:10 cait #info We have reached feature slush last Friday, going into feature freeze this Friday 14:10 oleonard I don't know the dates of the release stages... Don't see them on the calendar.... So feature freeze is when? String freeze? 14:10 * cait hopes that was right 14:10 cait oleonard: there as an email to the list sec 14:10 kidclamp #info Koha Development IRC meeting later today as well 14:10 * ashimema sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/rVKjeagJmrvZSUhIwPPOTIQH > 14:11 cait long message thing 14:11 kidclamp sorry oleonard , i got your later and did not get them set there 14:11 Joubu November 9 - Feature freeze - only bugfixes will pushed after this - 1st draft of release notes 14:11 cait Sep 25, 2018; 12:06pm Koha 18.11 Dates 14:11 Joubu November 16 - String Freeze - 2nd draft of release notes 14:11 Joubu November 27 - Release 14:11 ashimema Joubu, you're the calandar gatekeeper aren't you.? can those be added? 14:11 Joubu yep 14:12 cait #action Joubu to add release/freeze dates to calendar 14:12 * ashimema thinks his irc client is playing up again.. 14:12 Archie^ Does Koha has any tablespace for ISIL codes of Libraries? 14:12 kidclamp moving on? 14:12 ashimema Archie^ We're in a meeting right now.. any change you could ask your question again in half hour or so? 14:12 cait Archie^: the column from earlier - only you. we put the ISIL as branchcode, MarcOrgCode is also the isil usually 14:12 cait and meeting :) 14:12 caroline good morning! 14:13 oleonard Hi caroline, welcome to the meeting 14:13 kidclamp #topic Update on releases 14:13 kidclamp fridolin 14:13 wahanui i think fridolin is indeed, but maybe not on Rmain 18.11 14:13 fridolin caroline: bien le bonjour 14:13 oleonard Joubu++ 14:13 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro 14:13 Archie^ sorry, yes 14:13 ashimema Nothing major to report.. 14:14 * fridolin preparing 17.11.12 release, nothing special 14:14 ashimema I'm just cathcing up on my rmaint queue at the moment after spending a couple of weeks before the freeze on qa/so 14:14 cait password recovery with email is broken in 17.11.11 14:14 fridolin i will continue RMaint 17.11.x after 18.11 release 14:14 fridolin ah yes cait wich bug nb ? 14:14 kidclamp #info Stable releases moving as usual 14:15 fridolin Bug 21771 14:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21771 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Password recovery is broken (see 20023) 14:15 ashimema :) 14:15 kidclamp #info ahsimema catching up after focusing on so/qa for master 14:15 cait bug 21771 14:15 cait too slow :) 14:15 ashimema :boring: rmaints.. it's good to be boring :) 14:15 kidclamp #info bug 21771 is needed for stab;e 14:15 fridolin ashimema: tell me when you push it 14:16 fridolin i will read your release note to see i have all major+ bugs 14:16 kidclamp already mentioned, 18.11 is in slush, freeze on Friday. I will be out Friday so pushing things is my priority now 14:16 ashimema will do fridolin 14:16 kidclamp Please focus on bugs to fix jenkins and get blockers/criticals/majors cleaned up 14:17 kidclamp Lots of good things to get in, but lots of cleanup to be done as well :-) 14:17 fridolin yep, had one jenkins failure because of Bug 21396 14:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21396 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Missing use statements in Koha::Account 14:17 fridolin i reverted it 14:17 fridolin i mean i did not backport in the end 14:18 fridolin strange circular dependancy issue 14:18 fridolin Joubu: if you can look ^ 14:18 kidclamp #info kidclamp is pushing to master, tryiing to clear the queue, needs help in moving along bugs to fix jenkins failures and bugs needed for release 14:18 Joubu fridolin: Fixed already 14:18 kidclamp bug 21526 14:18 wahanui bug 21526 is going to make me rebase all oleonard's patches again isn't it :| 14:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21526 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , TT variables used to build a link should be uri filtered 14:19 oleonard Well you could make me rebase them kidclamp 14:19 Joubu About 18.11, I'd like to note that QA members and other tech guys should take a look at bug 21610 and bug 21526. 14:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21610 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Koha::Object->store needs to handle incorrect values 14:19 cait save the time of the RM... 14:19 cait more things pushed, there are really some goodies in that queue 14:19 marcelr could 21610 still make it then ? 14:19 marcelr thought it was for the next cycle 14:19 ashimema 21610 is on my list to revist after this meeting :) 14:20 Joubu marcelr: I'd say it depends on feedback we get 14:20 kidclamp if we had consensus and well tested I would consider - if not it is priority for next release 14:20 kidclamp what Joubu said :-) 14:21 kidclamp bug 21770 14:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21770 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , t::lib::QA::TemplateFilters should allow html_entity in href 14:21 kidclamp ^ to fix jenkins 14:21 kidclamp that's all i got for now 14:22 kidclamp #topic Roles for 19.05 - Elections! 14:22 cait we are missing 2 - translation manager and rmaint 18.05 14:22 ashimema I looked at bug 21770 earlier.. was just debating which version to lean towards. 14:22 kidclamp is bernardo out? or just didn't sign up? 14:23 ashimema both have merrits.. I think I'm leaning towards Joubu's version at the moment 14:23 cait I've had some trouble reaching him lately 14:23 cait I don't know if it's by mistake or not 14:23 cait tcohen: ? 14:23 Joubu He was late last release as well 14:24 Joubu (trying to reach him) 14:24 kidclamp can we ask tcohen or someone to reach out and tentatively vote him in? 14:25 cait maybe resolve next meetingß 14:25 cait and pretend he stays on until a successor is found or we hear back 14:25 Joubu we do not have another choice anyway 14:25 caroline I vote for waiting until we hear back 14:26 kidclamp 18.05 maint, any volunteers? 14:27 cait let's have another meeting for that in a week or so? and another call on mailing list 14:27 marcelr seems a good idea to me 14:27 fridolin would be cool to have someone new 14:27 cait true 14:27 cait and second oldest is a good one to start with 14:28 ashimema :) 14:28 fridolin :) 14:28 ashimema would be good to get new blood involved :) 14:28 fridolin if its realy needed i could do it with 17.11 but I'd like to change 14:29 ashimema happy to share all I've learned this cycle (and the old bregade are here to help still too I'm sure) 14:29 ashimema if pushed, we could perhaps share it fridolin? 14:29 fridolin indeed 14:29 ashimema hard to commit fully.. but lets see if we can get some new blood first 14:30 fridolin let see what comes 14:30 ashimema who do we want to send out a chaser email for those two roles? 14:30 kidclamp #action kidclamp will email list to ask for volunteers for needed roles, will schedule special meeting for vote in a week 14:30 kidclamp :-D 14:30 ashimema I sent the last chaser 14:30 kidclamp i took it ashimema 14:30 ashimema brill 14:30 kidclamp beyond that, can we vote on the remaining in a single call? or wait until next week and do the whole shebang 14:31 * ashimema thinks we can vote on whats there and just leave to the two missing ones to next meeting 14:31 Joubu kidclamp: I did not find your proposal 14:32 cait yeah, don't let people jump off now :) 14:32 kidclamp that's true - same as before, but finish the things I did not and work on community involvement? I can write more if you wish 14:33 cait +1 for one vote 14:33 * ashimema is happy to link to your 18.11 proposal for you if it's the same.. 14:33 * ashimema is happy for you to 'continue as before' 14:33 andreashm lets vote 14:33 kidclamp yes, mainly the same, except now I know how muich time it takes, and am slightly better at it 14:34 marcelr its more or less everything statys the same 14:34 * oleonard would like kidclamp 14:34 oleonard 's continuing reign to include more fire and brimstone 14:35 marcelr like critical bugs and so ? 14:35 kidclamp okay, lemme phrase this 14:35 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #598: STILL UNSTABLE in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/598/ 14:35 cait ... as a question 14:35 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #87: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/87/ 14:35 cait i could never come up with one .) 14:36 marcelr do we agree on .. ? 14:36 kidclamp #startvote Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week? Yes, No, Abstain 14:36 huginn Begin voting on: Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. 14:36 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:36 kidclamp #vote Yes 14:36 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.05 Roles for 19.05 14:36 Joubu #vote yes 14:36 caroline #vote Yes 14:36 oleonard #vote Yes 14:37 ashimema #vote yes 14:37 andreashm #vote Yes 14:37 marcelr #vote Yes 14:37 Joubu Note that I ask for push permissions! 14:37 davidnind #vote Yes 14:37 tcohen #vote yes 14:37 thd #vote yes 14:37 georgew #vote Yes 14:37 marcelr didnt you have them already ? joubu 14:37 ashimema #vote Yes 14:37 AndrewIsh #vote Yes 14:37 cait #vote yes 14:37 tcohen marcelr: formally 14:37 cait #vote Yes 14:37 Joubu marcelr: I do not think so, if I have them I did not use them this release 14:37 cait not sure if that's case sensitive 14:38 kidclamp last call 14:38 ashimema me either.. hense the double vote ;) 14:38 cait yes.. please not we are not trying to cheat :) 14:38 * ashimema wonders what tcohen just said formeally for? 14:38 kidclamp #endvote 14:38 huginn Voted on "Do we vote to accept the roles for 19.05 as proposed on the wiki page "Roles for 19.05" with the exception of Translation manager" and "18.05 Maintainer" to be voted on their own special meeting in a week?" Results are 14:38 huginn Yes (13): Joubu, andreashm, davidnind, thd, AndrewIsh, georgew, oleonard, ashimema, marcelr, kidclamp, cait, tcohen, caroline 14:39 kidclamp heh, unanimous 14:39 oleonard huginn: Has cait been sent to prison for voter fraud? 14:39 huginn oleonard: downloading the Perl source 14:39 ashimema :) 14:39 kidclamp #info roles for 19.05 are accepted with translation manager and 18.05 maint tbd 14:39 marcelr kidclamp: i propose to send the patch for 18.11 release team on master; as i did last versions 14:40 marcelr it must be done still 14:40 kidclamp #topic MIscellaneous 14:40 * ashimema likes that there's a good list of topic experts there and intends to throw work their way when he needs QA help ;) 14:40 kidclamp thanks marcel 14:40 kidclamp anyone have anything for Misc? 14:40 cait ah 14:40 cait yes 14:41 Joubu I do too. 14:41 cait For elastic search, the next one we need is bug 19893 14:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19893 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, glasklas, Needs Signoff , Alternative optimized indexing for Elasticsearch 14:41 cait i talked to Ere, he said it's the next one we need to go in - so advertising it a bit 14:42 cait we currently have some libraries using Elasticsearc, but none on a released version 14:42 cait thy all use additional patches that haven't been included yet 14:42 cait I think we should work towards fixing that 14:42 kidclamp I would love to get all the big es fixes in for 19.05 (would have loved for 18.11 ) 14:42 ashimema agreed 14:42 cait not everyone has in-house devs capable to do that .) 14:43 marcelr just mentioning bug 21336 here for the next cycle too (gdpr) 14:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , GDPR: Handle unsubscribe requests automatically by optional (administrative) lock, anonymize and remove 14:43 * ashimema needs to get back on top of his rmaint queue.. but then intends to get back to ES.. likely not quick enough for this cycle though.. 19.05 early I reckon 14:44 cait just trying to give some direction - there is a lot with elastic and we need to get them in in some sensible sequence 14:44 kidclamp mayeb this is conversation for the dev meeting? 14:44 ashimema agreed 14:44 cait yep sorry 14:45 cait Joubu? 14:45 wahanui i think Joubu is kidding, right ;) 14:45 Joubu But I did not think about it closely, so it will be messy. I would like people to think about how we could improve our communication. I think we are missing a tool/channel to keep track of 1. the urgent topics/bug# we need to focus on and 2. the tasks affected to someone. IRC (laters or pm) and bugzilla comments are not sufficient, at least for me. 14:45 Joubu I'd people to think a bit about it, then maybe we could discuss that later during the dev meeting 14:45 ashimema would be good to agree some shared targets for next release.. I can see a few patterns emarging right near the end of this cycle.. be good to keep the pressure on those for early next cycle 14:45 kidclamp Joubu++ 14:46 cait an issue is that after release things tend to get quiet 14:46 cait losing momentum again 14:46 cait not good .) 14:46 ashimema Joubu++ 14:46 cait shoudl we info? 14:46 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #94: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/94/ 14:46 ashimema yes 14:46 Joubu we need different views: the "big things" (who/what/when), the release things, and the urgent things 14:47 cait maybe another go with taigo? 14:47 Joubu I suggested taiga, and I still think it's a tool we need. But I am open to anything else 14:47 marcelr it didnt work 14:47 cait can someone summarize for info? i am struggling 14:47 * ashimema uses the dashboard as a part of his workflow.. perhaps we could extend it a little to help keep dev team on the same page a bit more? 14:47 cait the docs team is using it 14:47 ashimema talk next meeting 14:47 cait yes 14:48 thd Do we have no alternative to the CPU wastage of Tagia? 14:48 * ashimema fins taiga hard to work with personally 14:48 Joubu I think people did not really try it 14:48 ashimema I tried 14:48 marcelr i thought that we concluded that yet another tool was too much for a lot of people 14:48 Joubu read the wiki page as well? 14:48 ashimema I found I was using alot of time just trying to navigate it.. perhaps I need some lessons 14:48 kidclamp #info We need a method of organizing priorities and who is handling them during the release, taiga is a possibility, but we need a tool all will use, please consider and discuss at next meeting(s) 14:48 caroline I could do a short tutorial for taiga? 14:49 Joubu I do not need "lot of people", I just want few people, the active ones 14:49 Joubu we are less than 10 14:49 Joubu ... or 6 14:49 thd I quite like Taiga except for its consumption of system resources with unnecessary JavaScript. 14:49 ashimema agreed.. only needs to be the real core folks really 14:49 Joubu working on a daily basis on bug fixes, tests, etc. 14:49 kidclamp have the taiga link handy Joubu? 14:50 ashimema not 'invitation only'.. but not hugely promoted either.. agreed upon by a core group I think 14:50 cait sounds good 14:50 Joubu thd: please stop 14:50 cait some place to list urgent tasks and for people to grab them= 14:50 cait ? 14:50 Joubu https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/about 14:50 cait ok, ending meeting quickly? :) 14:50 kidclamp #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/wiki/about Taiga for koha 14:51 kidclamp #topic Next meeting 14:51 kidclamp one week? to vote for things 14:51 cait yes 14:51 cait quick one 14:51 ashimema +1 14:51 kidclamp November 14, 14:00 UCT? 14:52 marcelr depends on reactions? 14:52 cait having a deadline before release would be good I think 14:52 cait we can still postpone 14:52 oleonard +1 14:52 ashimema lets try for that date.. we can't go on indefinitely if there is no feedback we need to reconsider our position 14:53 kidclamp #info Next meeting: 14 November 2018, 14 UTC 14:53 kidclamp #endmeeting 14:53 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 7 14:53:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 14:53 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.html 14:53 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.txt 14:53 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-14.03.log.html 14:53 kidclamp see you all later today ? 14:53 * cait pushes kidclamp back to pushing ;) 14:53 * cait sends cookies 14:54 cait how many hours to next? 14:54 * ashimema aims to be at the dev meeting 14:54 oleonard 6 hours to dev meeting? 14:54 ashimema kids permitting 14:54 cait ok 14:54 cait thx oleonard 14:56 marcelr kidclamp++ 14:57 oleonard kidclamp++ 14:57 davidnind kidclamp++ 14:57 ashimema koha++ 14:57 kidclamp koha++ 14:57 ashimema community++ 14:58 thd Joubu: I do not comment merely to be difficult. However, I did not grasp in the moment that the reason which some people have been reluctant to use Taiga was unrelated to my primary difficulty which I have had with it. 15:02 ashimema I wonder about the issues functionality of gitlab? 15:02 ashimema I've not played with it much.. but it does Kanban and assignments 15:02 ashimema not sure how open/closed it can be 15:03 * ashimema takes a look as an alternative.. worth pondering 15:03 oleonard Good idea ashimema 15:03 eythian you could create a private repo for that sort of admin stuff if that was what you wanted. 15:03 caroline if you just need kanban and assignments, there's also Trello which is pretty simple and straightforward 15:03 ashimema indeed 15:04 eythian non-free though 15:04 caroline really? I've used it for free... 15:04 caroline maybe I just don,t have a big team 15:04 eythian as in, it's not free software like koha is 15:05 ashimema I like trello.. but I'm sure I've heard people here being a bit negative about it? 15:05 caroline oh like open source 15:05 caroline no I don't think it's open source 15:05 ashimema yeah.. I thought gitlab started more open than it is now 15:05 eythian well, free software, pedantically :) it's a bit different. 15:05 eythian https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html 15:05 ashimema trello is definately closed 15:05 ashimema and very walled garden now 15:06 eythian I think gitlab has their enterprisy stuff which is some sort of closed, but I don't know the details. 15:06 thd ashimema: What are the particular reasons which have made you reluctant to use Taiga? 15:06 ashimema performance wasn't an issue.. I just found it hard to navigate.. I never built up enough of an understanding of it to have a clear workflow 15:08 caroline What I've never found on Taiga is a list of what is assigned to me 15:09 thd It was on a very limited system where I found performance to be an issue which I would not expect to be a problem for most active contributors. 15:09 ashimema what's your take on GitlabCE then eythian ? 15:11 * oleonard wonders if GitLab issues could replace Bugzilla 15:12 cait caroline: i think i had that 15:12 cait on the start page? 15:12 ashimema hehe 15:12 eythian I don't really have much of an opinion just due to not having really used it deeply. We run gitlab at work (I think it's EE), and I have some things on gitlab.org. Beyond that, I've not used it much. 15:12 * ashimema doesn't think bugzilla is going anywhere any time soon.. as much as he feels there are nicer workflows out there 15:12 thd Any problems I had with navigation I attributed to performance on my most portable system simply because of a giant lag in responsiveness with Taiga on that system. 15:12 caroline cait: is it the "working on" list? 15:14 cait hm don't have my taiga account on hand 15:14 oleonard ashimema: I noticed that GitLab has a sub-feature of Issues called "Boards," and it made me think that there might be something there. 15:14 cait i might be 15:14 cait it might be the one i meant 15:15 ashimema prime example of confusion with taiga.. I can edit a wiki page and I can see that I was the last person to edit it.. 15:15 ashimema but I can't see how to look at a revision history or see what I edited 15:16 ashimema aha.. found it.. 15:16 ashimema it's in a collapsed 'activity' box that looks like a comments stream 15:17 ashimema it just feels a bit painful to use.. needs a UX person to make it more consistent I think 15:17 ashimema moving on 15:17 thd I think that the main problem for project management tools is that the free software community has mostly allowed themselves to be lured into using non-free or non-community based free tools for the task and their has not yet been a priority to create great features for the task as free software. 15:21 caroline is there a synonym for "free software" in the sense that you use it? Googling "free software task management" returns free as in 0$, not as in freedom 15:22 thd 'Open source' is not properly a synonym, however, it is commonly used as one. 15:22 eythian usually open source gets you the right results, as annoying as that is to purists :) 15:23 thd Common usage becomes meaning over time even if we have a more subtle knowledge with etymology. 15:23 caroline ok so -now- i'm allowed to use open source? ;) 15:24 thd I like FOSS or FLOSS. 15:24 eythian sometimes pragmatism must triumph 15:25 thd 'Open source' definitely won the marketing battle for 'free software' which is why the 'open source' campaign was created in the first place. 15:26 * ashimema has forgotten what the L stands for in FLOSS 15:26 oleonard Libre 15:27 ashimema Ta 15:27 caroline From the link eythian sent earlier : " To understand the concept, you should think of “free†as in “free speech,†not as in “free beerâ€. We sometimes call it “libre software,†borrowing the French or Spanish word for “free†as in freedom, to show we do not mean the software is gratis. " 15:27 thd GPL and AGPL are also helpful query terms for free software. Querying for other licenses such as Apache or MIT tend to pollute the results. 15:28 caroline language is fun :) 15:31 thd s/tend/tends/ :) 15:43 marcelr Joubu: 20819 amazing? 15:44 marcelr or just a mistake? 15:49 Joubu marcelr: I do not understand 15:50 Joubu ha, better with context 15:51 Joubu marcelr: what does it display? I have nothing in my DB to test... 15:51 marcelr yeah i added some patron::consent add statements before it 15:52 marcelr my $consent = $builder->build_object({ class => 'Koha::Patron::Consents' }); in a loop 15:52 Joubu can you post the full working script? 15:52 marcelr sure 15:53 marcelr on bugzilla 15:54 marcelr played a bit with 100 and 1000 to speed up 15:57 marcelr htg bye #koha 16:02 Joubu Bernardo answered "Yes, If there are no other candidates" 16:02 ashimema :) 16:03 reiveune bye 16:11 tuxayo QA question: how to handle multiple values of a syspref in the code? (future values, in particular) 16:11 tuxayo https://gitlab.com/tuxayo/Koha/commit/cba19c76be07e0674167f20c5d7fbffb6627835f#bf0e3ef983c2d21d84c42c6c41b92804a66c0c9b_61_60 16:23 fridolin see u all tomorow 16:24 Joubu tuxayo: console.log? 16:34 tuxayo Joubu (IRC): thanks, that's better than silently ignoring or throwing an horrible alert() 16:35 Joubu maybe you should fallback to a value 16:35 Joubu and print it to the console 16:39 tuxayo Joubu (IRC): Indeed, that will avoid unexepected behavoir. 16:47 caroline dummy question : what is the difference between an API and a REST API? Is it a subcategory of API? 16:52 caroline Also, are there current uses of Koha's REST API that would make it easy for someone non-technical to understand what an API does? 17:27 cait kidclamp: need help with something urgent? 17:27 kidclamp ? 17:27 cait the one you asked about earlier 17:28 kidclamp in a meeting, not sure what you mean cait 17:28 cait bug 21777 17:28 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562) 17:28 cait i'll qa it now 17:28 kidclamp ah yes, would like to clear that up 17:29 kidclamp needs 21775 too 17:32 davidnind caroline: a REST API is a type of API (this article might be useful https://schoolofdata.org/2013/11/18/web-apis-for-non-programmers/) 17:33 cait Joubu: around? 17:33 cait bug 21777 doesn't apply for me 17:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21777 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Checkouts table in circulation is out of alignment (Bug 21562) 17:33 cait sha1 useless... 17:33 cait some unnamed dependency maybe? 17:34 cait ... in the comment... argh. 17:35 Joubu cait: There are patches for 18.11 and master, and they are on the same file. So I cannot provide all the combinations 17:35 Joubu s/cannot/am lazy to/ 17:35 Joubu let push to master, then will see for stable branches 17:36 cait ? 17:36 cait my issue was looking at the depends field instead of the comments :) 17:37 cait but now i got another problem - i have no idea how to run selenium tests 17:37 cait no test plan 17:37 cait and jut prove doesn't work 17:38 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/166 17:51 cait Joubu: ^ 17:53 Joubu hum... some of my messages have been lost it seems 17:53 Joubu see t/db_dependent/selenium/basic_workflow.t 17:53 Joubu there is a step-by-step procedure to run them 17:53 Joubu cait: ^ 18:08 cait I'll try again after dinner 19:00 cait hm 19:00 cait should kohadevbox not have this stuff preset? 19:00 cait tcohen: selenium tests ... kohadevbox? :) 19:02 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Using_Selenium_with_Koha#cait: KohaDevBox 19:05 cait aha! 19:06 tcohen hi cait 19:06 cait ah my file is too old, doesn't have this entries yet 19:07 tcohen diff them 19:08 cait do i want to uncomment the selenium url? 19:11 tcohen no 19:12 tcohen that's only if you're trying to test a different selenium version 19:12 tcohen not for general use 19:12 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.22.66.9 pasted "Joubu: WTF" (64 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/167 19:18 cait thx 19:19 tcohen cait: you usually don't need to change versions or URLs 19:20 tcohen we do it the more general we can to ease tweaking later 19:30 cait hm 19:30 cait still failing the tests 19:30 cait but got further 19:31 cait t/db_dependent/selenium/regressions.t .. Could not create new session: Unable to connect to host 127.0.0.1 on port 7055 after 45000 ms. Firefox console output: 19:31 cait i did start it in another terminal 19:31 cait and running the test in kshell 19:31 cait first i changed the .yml 19:31 cait and then ran up with provision 19:32 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/168 19:32 cait Joubu: tcohen 20:02 alexbuckley hi all 20:02 caroline hi alexbuckley! 20:04 oleonard Hi alexbuckley 20:04 alexbuckley :) 20:13 tcohen bye! 20:28 oleonard Bye #koha 20:52 ashimema hola 20:52 wahanui bidet, ashimema 20:54 alexbuckley hi ashimema, many thanks to you and andreashm for the testing and QA's :) 20:56 kidclamp meeting! 20:57 ashimema no worries :) 20:58 ashimema lets keep the momentum.. maybe chill or a week on the enhancements whilst we concentrate on stability and bugfixes ;) 20:58 ashimema but then lets get back to it.. don't want to let those enhancements go cold again 20:58 ashimema hi kidclamp 20:58 alexbuckley agreed :) 20:58 ashimema meeting? 20:58 kidclamp hi ashimema 20:59 kidclamp 2 minutes 20:59 ashimema hee 20:59 ashimema did we not used ot have meeting countdown stuff done by a bot 20:59 ashimema or am I thiking of another channel? 21:00 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 7 November 2018 21:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 7 21:00:20 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018' 21:00 kidclamp #topic Introductions 21:00 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 21:00 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 21:01 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library 21:01 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT NZ 21:02 ashimema quiet tonight 21:02 kidclamp dual meeting days 21:02 ashimema apologies.. this morning for alexbuckley 21:02 thd Is there not a meeting now? 21:02 kidclamp there is thd 21:02 ashimema yes, yes there is thd 21:03 kidclamp #topic Announcements 21:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 21:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 21:04 kidclamp #info We are in feature slush, freeze is approaching 21:04 kidclamp Anyone else? 21:04 ashimema no Joubu? 21:04 kidclamp seems no 21:05 ashimema nothing from me for anouncements 21:05 kidclamp #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11) 21:05 kidclamp I mentioned slush/freeze 21:05 kidclamp working on pushing things 21:05 kidclamp help is appreciated for bugs and keeping jenkins happy 21:05 ashimema Hows the queue looking.. are you confident of getting through it before freeze? 21:06 kidclamp I got voted for a second term, will continune reign of terror 21:06 kidclamp Lot in the queue, will do my best to clean it up, busy day 21:06 ashimema :) 21:06 kidclamp I think we can get it done 21:07 oleonard Agenda: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_7_November_2018 21:07 ashimema I'll try to keep more of an eye on Jenkins than usual and offer a hand 21:07 kidclamp that's all for me 21:08 kidclamp #info working on queue, keep jenkins happy, release is going to be greay 21:08 kidclamp great 21:08 kidclamp and it won't have typos 21:08 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University 21:08 kidclamp #topic 21:08 kidclamp #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 21:08 kidclamp ashimema fridolin? 21:09 ashimema #info Working through my rmaint queue after a couple of weeks of concentrating on SO/QA before feature slush... slowly catching back up. 21:09 kidclamp also, looking for an 18.05 maintainer - if you ever wanted to get your hands dirty, now is a good time 21:10 kidclamp #info RMaints spoke this morning in general. things are moving along nicely, a few big bugs 21:10 ashimema it's been a great learning experience for me this cycle.. and I've been mad enough to offer stable branch rmaint again. 21:10 kidclamp stable is the hard one, lots of rebasing :-) 21:10 kidclamp especially this release 21:11 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 21:11 kidclamp I don't think we have most of the team here 21:11 ashimema #info 18.05.x is looking for an rmaint for next cycle, I'd love to pass it on to a new happy owner (and will support as best I can) 21:11 ashimema Mmm.. pretty spares on the QA team front tonight 21:12 kidclamp Joubu mentioned wanting to find an organizational tool this morning - if anyone has any thoughts it would be helpful 21:12 greenjimll what sort of organizational tool? 21:12 greenjimll project planner? 21:12 kidclamp taiga was proposed last release, but it didn't catch on 21:13 ashimema I think on the qa front cait just wanted to thank everyone for their efforts the last couple of weeks.. we've got loads done (sorry kidclamp for filling your queue to the brim) 21:13 kidclamp something to track the big things happening and who is doing what 21:13 kidclamp qateam++ 21:13 kidclamp full queue = full release 21:15 kidclamp moving on? 21:15 ashimema go for it I reckon 21:15 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 21:15 kidclamp #info Internationalization, plural forms, context, and more RFC, Framavox 21:16 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Internationalization,_plural_forms,_context,_and_more_RFC 21:16 ashimema what did anyone want to say about it> 21:16 kidclamp #link https://framavox.org/d/2juWqIMz/internationalization-plural-forms-context-and-more 21:17 kidclamp the frama is closed - I don't htink anyone objected, I believe he wants help in testing/implementing? 21:18 kidclamp I have not been involved enough in the translation work to know what is needed, but perhaps we should table as is light meeting tonight? 21:18 ashimema I'll admit I don't follow translation closely enough to understand that one 21:18 ashimema yeah.. lets shift it to the next meeting 21:18 thd The wiki page for the bug appears to show good research. 21:19 kidclamp #info tabled for next meeting 21:19 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines 21:19 kidclamp oleonard? 21:19 wahanui oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though 21:19 oleonard Present 21:19 kidclamp you have some suggestions? 21:20 oleonard I just wanted to highlight some new things in the HTML & JS coding guidelines. I don't know if these require a vote 21:20 oleonard I'm cleaning up the "type" attribute from <script> tags any time I update a template. 21:20 oleonard New templates shouldn't include it. 21:20 cait oops 21:20 oleonard Same for the "CDATA" markers in <script> 21:20 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:21 cait ashimema++ th 21:21 cait x 21:21 ashimema hehe 21:21 oleonard Also: New templates shouldn't use any YUI grid markup 21:22 oleonard I'd love to get an addition to the QA tools checking for that. 21:22 kidclamp I think those are all sensible 21:22 ashimema do we need anything in the qa script to help catch that oleonard? 21:22 ashimema haha 21:22 ashimema you beat me 21:23 cait sounds both good 21:23 cait especially additions to qa script 21:23 cait it's hard to keep everything in mind 21:23 andreashm sounds good 21:23 oleonard I think a check for classes containing "yui-" would be good 21:24 kidclamp oleonard++ 21:24 ashimema that should be simple nough to add i think 21:24 oleonard Lastly I wanted to remind everyone about this: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#JS12:_Include_javascript_at_the_end_of_template 21:24 cait someone volunteering? :) 21:24 oleonard New templates shouldn't be added with JS in the <head> 21:25 ashimema that could probably also be added to the qa script maybe.. 21:25 ashimema less sure how on that one 21:25 kidclamp people who don't attend are signifying willingness to volunteer, no? 21:25 cait sensible 21:26 ashimema hehe 21:26 cait no js in head should be testable 21:26 ashimema indeed 21:27 cait #idea add checks for javascript in head, yui- grid classes and no type for javascript to QA script 21:27 kidclamp @later tell joubu #idea add checks for javascript in head, yui- grid classes and no type for javascript to QA script 21:27 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded. 21:28 ashimema we should record those as issues against the qa-tools repo in gitlab really.. 21:29 ashimema then we can pick them off.. rather than just adding to joubu's list 21:29 * ashimema will go add them as issues now 21:29 kidclamp ashimema++ 21:29 oleonard That's it from me unless someone has objections 21:29 oleonard_ Somehow I lost my connection without realizing it... sorry if I missed any questions directed at me 21:29 kidclamp moving on? 21:30 kidclamp just time of next meeting unless anyone has anything else 21:31 ashimema I think that's our lot 21:31 ashimema bit earlier in the day next meeting.. 21:31 kidclamp #topic Set time of next meeting 21:31 kidclamp 21 November 2018, 14 UTC? 21:32 ashimema sounds good to me.. you didn't want anything more regular with release looming. 21:32 ashimema probably not.. you've got enough on your plate so can just catch people directly as needed ;) 21:33 kidclamp we have a general next week if I need to grab anyone, and we have email, hopefully I will survive my first release :-D 21:33 kidclamp #info Next meeting: 21 November 2018, 14UTC 21:33 kidclamp #endmeeting 21:33 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 7 21:33:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 21:33 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.html 21:33 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.txt 21:33 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_7_november_2018.2018-11-07-21.00.log.html 21:33 kidclamp thanks all 21:34 ashimema kidclamp++ 21:34 alexbuckley kidclamp++ ashimema++ 21:35 * ashimema adds those issues quickly then heads to bed.. I'm such an old man now.. 21:36 oleonard_ bye again 21:41 ashimema @later tell Joubu I'll pick off some of those new qa-tools issues and send merge requests unless you beat me to them 21:41 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 21:41 ashimema good night #koha 21:41 * andreashm waves 21:41 thd ashimema: While I do not have time presently to put forward a proposal, I see how some underused features of bugzilla and some projects based on the bugzilla API could be used for task management and kanban. 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: DBRev 18.06.00.054 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07526d897a566c082860120c721bc1c610a24e48> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: DBRev 18.06.00.053 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc43a4b4b3d7cb622bb5c91a25dabf4c5e2ccbdb> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (QA follow-up) Add final missing filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=529d8cd7307cc34ebd1a9a58256ad9ed00e33c42> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) remove use_dis_max <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=973bc0aceba522301217817239f1a9388ffda145> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (follow-up) Update tests to generate their own data (no delete) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5594afb9c29a8b6db2a493330652f8766ae1b53a> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (follow-up) Move yaml syspref code to its own sub in SySpref object <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ed7a533ab437a72524f7b3ef660814999fde951> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21299: (QA follow-up) Rename module and subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5755f30b1b472b5fbf1d8e8fd031efdcd1ed0518> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) Fix tests and update statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bfcac5a079318be7c5d20c6d52af45169eab922> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21299: Introduce localReferer in [opac-]changelanguage.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07d5f76225a3acd905fecf53ccdc4f52474d7ffc> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21299: Add localReferer function to Util module, add test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=db539f4dc0b5f7ceb0726c97c95310d5b853de15> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Fix field weight validation/deletion bug <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=74198af0fe01035a6fcbf7af75fedcc06f4ae5d8> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Change search field weight field to decimal <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=474b9a1672b3b62d8c24fe72127bdadd1a11ff3f> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: (follow-up) Koha::SearchField::search_marc_maps return a result set -... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9380134a026c3927373557d9bb4cb6d7082a8b7c> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20602: Use weighted fields in OPAC simple search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a060e18f994d98e6212c8578ab358c54820a97b> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: String changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9db54580a64ecb8aacbcbe8f65abeb244db7275a> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Ability to weight search fields <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f0bc6e457f19b889d5f12ee92d6ca5e5effdf42> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18316: Add weighting/relevancy options to ES query on simple search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa853f7d38a5addafe21fb3cabdaaa9cc692bb12> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: (QA follow-up) Additional polishing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=114c1dfb2c0d8a14ea12e800ab57f1f942d0aa2b> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: Add syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b170f77d10bfc05eb346361c8d61819779fdd798> 23:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 15494: Update display of renewal errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72750cf3b7001b02237c4145121e1071b2ca65da> 23:30 caroline bye everybody! 23:49 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #599: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/599/ 23:49 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #88: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/88/ 23:56 Guest2299 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #95: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/95/