Time  Nick           Message
23:02 caroline       good night #koha!
22:56 CrispyBran     anyone know if there is a way to retrieve a private convo from irc?
22:02 faviola        PLIS
22:02 faviola        The method Koha::Biblio->barcode is not covered by tests! , HELP
21:58 huginn         CrispyBran: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 6 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <kidclamp> bye koha! see you next week! (find tcohen in my absence)
21:58 CrispyBran     @seen kidclamp
21:57 huginn         CrispyBran: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <tcohen> later #koha
21:57 CrispyBran     @seen tcohen
21:13 CrispyBran     hi
21:13 caroline       hi CrispyBran!
21:13 * CrispyBran   waves
21:05 * CrispyBran   is no longer away : Gone for 3 hours 45 seconds
20:59 Veronica       Thanks, I want to add barcode, itemcallnumber and copynumber in the summary-print.pl template,in this code
20:58 cait           good night all :)
20:56 Veronica       Thanks
20:56 Veronica       sub build_reserve_data {     my $reserves = shift;      my $return = [];      my $today = DateTime->now( time_zone => C4::Context->tz );     $today->truncate( to => 'day' );      while ( my $reserve = $reserves->next() ) {          my $row = {             title          => $reserve->biblio()->title(),             author         => $reserve->biblio()->author(),                        reservedate    => $reserve->reservedate(),             expirationdate =>
20:56 Veronica       Thanks, I want to add barcode, itemcallnumber and copynumber in the summary-print.pl template,in this code
20:52 Freddy_Enrique cait++
20:50 oleonard       cait++
20:49 ashimema       and on that note.. time for me to switch off and to to sleep
20:49 ashimema       koha++ :)
20:48 josef_moravec  ashimema++
20:48 cait           ashimema++
20:48 josef_moravec  cait++
20:48 ashimema       night all
20:48 ashimema       cait++
20:48 ashimema       thanks cait for chairing
20:47 huginn         Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_10_october_2018.2018-10-10-20.03.log.html
20:47 huginn         Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_10_october_2018.2018-10-10-20.03.txt
20:47 huginn         Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_10_october_2018.2018-10-10-20.03.html
20:47 huginn         Meeting ended Wed Oct 10 20:47:25 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:47 cait           #endmeeting
20:47 cait           ending meeting :)
20:47 cait           so quiet
20:47 cait           #info Next meeting: 24 October 2018, 14 UTC
20:46 oleonard       rangi is a pretty big get
20:46 cait           14utc?
20:46 ashimema       today felt a tad late to me.. but.. we got rangi :)
20:45 cait           which time?
20:45 cait           looking up syntax, sec
20:45 cait           ok
20:45 josef_moravec  I think so
20:45 ashimema       I think so
20:44 cait           is biweekly right?
20:44 ashimema       24th seems good
20:44 josef_moravec  nothing in koha calendar so should be ok
20:44 oleonard       No
20:44 * ashimema     checks diary
20:43 cait           doest hat clash with another?
20:43 cait           ?
20:43 cait           so 24th
20:43 cait           i think rhythm is still biweekly?
20:43 cait           #topic Set time of next meeting
20:43 oleonard       everyone should code good
20:43 cait           moving on
20:43 ashimema       nothing from me
20:42 cait           nothing on agenda - anyone anything here?
20:42 cait           #topic Review of coding guidelines
20:42 cait           good :)
20:42 ashimema       #action ashimema to update release maintanence page to reflect the change
20:41 cait           #action rangi to change bugzilla (plz)
20:41 ashimema       :)
20:41 cait           #agreed we will make the suggested changes to bugzilla status (yes (5): oleonard, ashimema, cait, josef_moravec, thd)
20:41 huginn         yes (5): oleonard, ashimema, cait, josef_moravec, thd
20:41 huginn         Voted on "Shall we add 2 new status: pushed to oldstable, pushed to oldoldstable and remove 2: pushed for qa, pushed by module maintainer?" Results are
20:41 cait           #endvote
20:40 cait           giving it another moment
20:40 thd            #vote yes
20:40 ashimema       frido and kidclamp were both happy with the idea too
20:40 cait           #vote yes
20:40 ashimema       #vote yes
20:39 ashimema       and seemed the clearest to me
20:39 oleonard       #vote yes
20:39 josef_moravec  #vote yes
20:39 ashimema       they track the debian scheme.. and wiki documentation for the repo
20:39 huginn         Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
20:39 huginn         Begin voting on: Shall we add 2 new status: pushed to oldstable, pushed to oldoldstable and remove 2: pushed for qa, pushed by module maintainer? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, .
20:39 cait           #startvote Shall we add 2 new status: pushed to oldstable, pushed to oldoldstable and remove 2: pushed for qa, pushed by module maintainer? (yes,no,abstain)
20:39 josef_moravec  we could vote on all I think
20:39 rangi          yep
20:39 ashimema       do you count stable, oldstable tc as codenames oleonard?
20:38 oleonard       I think code names are exclusionary because they obscure information from people who are new.
20:38 ashimema       +1
20:38 cait           rangi: are you ok with making the changes if we vote yes?
20:38 cait           or just 1 + 2 as those are the bugzilla changes?
20:38 cait           should we have a vote on all 3 points together?
20:37 * oleonard     does not care for code names
20:37 cait           i vetoed cheese names i think
20:37 josef_moravec  there was some discussion about code names in Koha some time before...
20:37 ashimema       just feels like it brings us closer to the norm ;)
20:36 ashimema       lol
20:36 josef_moravec  i like this idea
20:36 wahanui        okay, oleonard.
20:36 oleonard       I am also happy for ashimema to write the release script
20:36 ashimema       but am open to suggestions..
20:36 ashimema       i chose codenames instead of version numbers so we're not stuck updating status's i bz every cycle
20:36 cait           anyone else? :)
20:35 ashimema       indeed..
20:35 ashimema       I'm happy to write the release script side to automate changeing to RESOLVED FIXED (if joubu hasn't already done so)
20:35 cait           or something similar, I think there was a script around to mark recently pushed for RM
20:34 ashimema       :)
20:34 cait           i think Joubu might have something for 2
20:34 cait           i support all 3
20:34 ashimema       thanks cait
20:34 cait           #idea Remove Pushed for QA and Pushed by Module Maintainer as they aren't in active use.
20:34 cait           #idea Script for RMaints to mark all Pushed to branch as RESOLVED FIXED upon release.
20:34 cait           #idea Add Pushed to oldstable and Pushed to oldoldstable to get us in line with Debian package codenames and reserve RESOLVED FIXED for applying upon release
20:33 cait           hm odd, the first works
20:33 ashimema       the proposal details
20:33 ashimema       it was just a copy/paste from https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_10_October_2018
20:33 ashimema       ooh.. sorry
20:33 cait           M_NOT_FOUND
20:32 cait           i get an error there
20:32 rangi          from ashimema
20:32 rangi          thats the message
20:32 rangi          https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/aftKcYjGeeZfzgOpwIXgNZBe  cait
20:32 cait           tidy up...
20:32 cait           sent a long message it says (client problem maybe)
20:32 cait           ashimema: i didn't get your last
20:31 ashimema       rangi perhaps as I'd be coming to you to ask for actual implimentation most likely?
20:31 ashimema       any objections by anyone
20:31 * ashimema     sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/aftKcYjGeeZfzgOpwIXgNZBe >
20:30 ashimema       I wanted to suggest a bit og bugzilla status tidy up
20:30 ashimema       as such..
20:30 ashimema       feels like that status should be saved for actual release of the fix to the wider public
20:29 ashimema       I've been in rmaint role for a few months now and feel I've managed to get the idea.. but one thing had been bugging me.. it always felt wrong that our process marked a bug as 'RESOLVED FIXED' the moment it was pushed into the lowest supported branch it was going to be ported to..
20:28 ashimema       the bugzilla status's
20:28 ashimema       so.. the second idea/suggestion was my own
20:28 ashimema       given the quietness lets save that one
20:27 ashimema       more interested parties being around ;)
20:27 cait           corrate?
20:26 ashimema       happy to save that one for a more corrate audience?
20:26 ashimema       I wondered if we wanted to go any further next cycle and encourage their use any more formally then
20:25 ashimema       loose agreement was reached on the mailing lists and the wiki has been updated with some examples: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commit_messages#Other_trailers
20:25 ashimema       ah yes..
20:25 josef_moravec  juian?
20:25 oleonard       jajm?
20:24 ashimema       just trying to remember who suggested using git trailers
20:24 cait           ashimema: do you want to take over?
20:24 cait           #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas,...)
20:23 josef_moravec  move on
20:23 cait           moving on? some more good topics ont he agenda tonight
20:23 cait           we might have to just jump in :)
20:23 ashimema       lacking in confidence for the bigger ES ones so far though..
20:23 cait           i tihnk we got some great stuff waiting there - but also not understanding it well enough right now
20:22 ashimema       i'm just getting myself up to speed on ES workings for qa
20:22 josef_moravec  I like to start with testing ES more, hope I'll be able to make QA on them soon
20:22 cait           moving on?
20:22 cait           #info ES patches are a bit behind, would be great to see some work on those
20:22 cait           i'd love to see some omre progress on the ES patches
20:21 cait           but great stuff happening, keep pushing :)
20:21 ashimema       :)
20:20 cait           so we are ona deadline
20:20 cait           was just looking it up
20:20 cait           #info November   2 - Feature slush - no enhancement/new features  that have not passed QA will be considered for release
20:20 cait           yes
20:20 ashimema       feature slush is fast aproaching..
20:20 cait           lots to do :) keep QA'ing!
20:20 cait           some long standing shibboleth patches have been pushed, also stock rotation
20:19 cait           numbers on the dashboard are slowly coming down - nso was under 200 this morning... no more
20:19 cait           I'm still catching on things from the last few weeks but there has been quite a flurry of activity on bugzilla
20:19 cait           #topic Updates from the QA team
20:18 ashimema       go for it..
20:18 cait           moving on?
20:18 ashimema       haha
20:18 cait           heh
20:18 cait           #action ashimema to send call for release team to mailing list
20:17 ashimema       #action ashimema to send an email reminding people to look at and add their names to 19.05 roles page
20:17 ashimema       I can send an email
20:16 cait           someone volunteering to send the email?
20:16 josef_moravec  +1
20:16 cait           #action cait to add elections to next general meeting
20:16 ashimema       good plan
20:15 cait           and schedule election for next general meeting?
20:15 cait           #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_19.05 Please sign up for the 19.05 release team
20:15 cait           hm maybe something for announcements, but we shoudl send the roles page to ml i tihnk
20:14 cait           #info Still looking for a 18.05 Release maintainer for the next cycle
20:14 ashimema       that leaves us with a gap for 18.05 rmaint for the next cycle at the moment
20:14 cait           #info Fridolin Somers : Last release of 17.05.x is ready will be out in a few days. Proposed to continue on RMaint 17.11.
20:14 cait           #info ashimema has proposed to be Rmaint for 18.11 for next cycle (19.05)
20:13 ashimema       onwards
20:13 ashimema       Fridolin Somers : Last release of 17.05.x is ready will be out in a few days. Proposed to continue on RMaint 17.11.
20:13 cait           ah
20:13 ashimema       also, I've proposed to take on rmaint for 18.11 next cycle
20:13 cait           moving on then :)
20:13 oleonard       #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA, late
20:12 ashimema       Fridolin also sends his apologies..
20:12 ashimema       rmaints?
20:12 ashimema       Just continueing to plod along :)
20:11 wahanui        cait: excuse me?
20:11 cait           wahanui never does his trick when I try it
20:11 ashimema       oh.. that's me
20:11 cait           Release Maintainers?
20:11 cait           RMaints?
20:11 cait           Rmaints?
20:11 cait           #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
20:11 ashimema       yup.. that's pretty much it
20:11 cait           moving on?
20:10 cait           from his apologies for today
20:10 cait           #info Nick Clemens : Travelling, pushing things to master, dates have been sent to list, keep Qaing :-)
20:10 ashimema       Nick sends his apologies
20:10 cait           #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11)
20:10 cait           moving on then :)
20:09 ashimema       I can't think of any others.. anyone else?
20:09 ashimema       :)
20:09 ashimema       #info KohaCon19 dates are finalized: Monday 20 May to Sunday 26 May 2019
20:08 cait           ... and please keep the sandboxes alive!
20:08 cait           so you might see some activity from there :)
20:08 cait           #info Next week is the Swedish user group meeting and hack day
20:07 cait           hm can't find the link, but next week is the swedish user group meeting and hack day
20:07 ashimema       Lots of good pushes the last couple of weeks :).. but then I'm somewhat biases on that front
20:06 ashimema       :)
20:06 cait           ah i got something
20:06 cait           anyone anything? :)
20:06 cait           #topic Announcements
20:06 cait           moving on!
20:06 huginn         Current chairs: ashimema cait
20:06 cait           #chair ashimema
20:06 cait           ah
20:05 rangi          #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, NZ
20:05 josef_moravec  #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic
20:04 cait           #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
20:04 cait           #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_10_October_2018 today's agenda
20:04 cait           please introduce yourself using #info!
20:04 thd            #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City, [even two ISPs does not protect against power failure]
20:04 ashimema       #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
20:04 cait           #topic Introductions
20:03 huginn         The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_10_october_2018'
20:03 huginn         Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:03 huginn         Meeting started Wed Oct 10 20:03:58 2018 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:03 cait           #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 10 October 2018
20:03 ashimema       cheers
20:03 ashimema       :)
20:03 cait           just give me another minute
20:03 cait           i'll chair with ashimema
20:00 * ashimema     agrees
20:00 ashimema       indeed
19:59 cait           it is! :)
19:59 corilynn       i forgot how awesome it is to fix a thing that was previously broken :)
19:59 cait           back
19:59 * corilynn     does a victory lap
19:54 Mesfin         Thanks ashimema
19:54 ashimema       Night Mesfin, sleep peacefully
19:53 Mesfin         Good night or good day, depending on where you are good people! Thanks for the help. I can go now and sleep peacefully knowing I won't have calls from users tomorrow
19:53 * ashimema     is feeling rather sleepy.. not the best way to join a meeting
19:50 cait           hm, brb for the meeting
19:48 Mesfin         Yeah, that's a longer flight
19:47 cait           longer flight, i am in germany :)
19:46 Mesfin         or two hours?
19:46 Mesfin         an hour flight maybe?
19:46 Mesfin         Kenya :)
19:46 cait           an hour later than here... so has to be alittle distance at least :)
19:45 cait           Mesfin: where are you from?
19:44 Mesfin         10:44 PM here
19:44 Mesfin         Welcome back, Karibu, Bien venue
19:42 * ashimema     is back
19:41 caroline       but if it's not possible, it's not the end of the world. It's just that I thought that was what rangi had added yesterday so my mind kinda went in that direction
19:41 cait           caroline: makes sense
19:40 cait           ashimema: :)
19:40 caroline       cait: you're right, but if the page hasn't been updated in 2 years lets say, it would be good to just have à look to make sure
19:40 Mesfin         He pmed me
19:39 * ashimema     quickly dashes for a charger
19:39 Mesfin         Thanks cait
19:38 * ashimema     is impressed cait knows her irc commands.. I'm such a UI guy when it comes to IRC
19:38 ashimema       so you should see me somewhere now :)
19:38 ashimema       Mesfin: I just pm'd you
19:38 caroline       rangi: will do (check for the auto datetime or whatever it would be called)
19:38 cait           or /msg ashimema
19:37 cait           hm maybe try right click if the doube doesn't work
19:37 Mesfin         connected via a browser
19:37 rangi          caroline: ahhh it does work that way, except using gitlab ci it wipes the files after each build so it thinks its a new full build everytime I will see if I can change that
19:37 ashimema       er.. double click my name.. sorta depends on how you are connected to irc
19:36 Mesfin         Thank you, cait. I feel welcomed already
19:36 cait           Mesfin: you are welcome to be here anytime :)
19:36 Mesfin         How do I pm you, ashimema?
19:35 Mesfin         my first time here
19:35 caroline       we could look through and reread them to see if everything is still up to date
19:34 caroline       cait: I think it would be interesting to know when a particular page was last updated
19:34 * ashimema     was about to say that sounds like a great use of a git hook
19:34 cait           it might just be a typo change, so not sure you could tell much about actuality from it
19:34 rangi          caroline: do you want to research that, and ill research the build thing ;)
19:34 caroline       thx tcohen! :) trying to stay on top of all the pushed things ;)
19:34 cait           caroline: hm, what is the use case?
19:34 rangi          caroline: you could maybe do that with a git-hook
19:34 tcohen         later #koha
19:33 caroline       yes! Or if it's not possible, could we add an auto datetime  to each page when it is saved?
19:33 tcohen         koha++
19:33 tcohen         rangi: I always overlooked the work on the manual. I have to say I'm so impressed by caroline's and everyone work on that, and the results!
19:33 ashimema       though I already like the change to show the last rebuild as it is :)
19:33 ashimema       that would be cool rangi
19:32 ashimema       cheers
19:32 rangi          caroline: well i think nope, ill check some build options, if i can get it to only rebuild changed pages then maybe
19:32 ashimema       you're just the third person in a week to report the issue and I'm trying to understand the link ;)
19:32 Mesfin         I am very much comfortable
19:32 Mesfin         Do not feel bad that happens when you work
19:31 ashimema       if you are comfortable doing so.. if not don't worry at all
19:31 * ashimema     feels bad.. it was me who both qa'd the patch that caused it and then pushed it into the stable branch.
19:31 Mesfin         are you asking me to pm you copy of my ldap config?
19:30 Mesfin         Thanks ashimema...
19:30 ashimema       I'm really glad the anonymous thing worked for you
19:30 ashimema       would you mind pm'ing me a copy of your ldap config block per chance (with private stuff like the password hashed out).. I'm trying ot see if there's a bigger issue at play here
19:30 rangi          not unless you do it manually
19:30 Mesfin         you have saved my day and my night
19:30 rangi          nope
19:29 caroline       the last time that particular page was updated i mean?
19:29 caroline       ah ok. Is it possible though to have that on the page?
19:29 ashimema       thanks Mesfin
19:29 Mesfin         You guys are awesome
19:29 Mesfin         Working now
19:29 * ashimema     has stupid fingers often too
19:29 Mesfin         and that's what threw the error
19:29 ashimema       hehe
19:29 Mesfin         I had a typo in the anonymous
19:28 Mesfin         Stupid fingers!!!!
19:28 rangi          nope, we can only tell that from git, its the last time the manual was generated
19:28 rangi          so its easy to see the last time the manual was rebuilt
19:28 caroline       oh so it's not specific to that page?
19:28 ashimema       really rangi.. I try to but sometimes there's just huge amounts to go through and I struggle to catch up.
19:28 rangi          they will all get rebuilt
19:28 mtompset       Have a great day, #koha ashimema caroline cait rangi Mesfin.
19:28 rangi          so the next time i merge something
19:27 rangi          yep its last time the manual was built
19:27 caroline       rangi: I like what you did with the "last updated on .." Is it normal that all the pages are set to yesterday?
19:27 rangi          caroline: i always read back irc :)
19:27 ashimema       and I knew what he was talking about :)
19:27 mtompset       Have to run.
19:27 Mesfin         let me paste the error
19:27 * ashimema     likes the random rangi
19:27 mtompset       But make sure you don't have TWO anonymous_bind tags, and you do have ONE.
19:27 ashimema       erm.. Mesfin.. 'threw an error'.. any more detail on that.. same error as before.. xml parsing error.. new error?
19:26 caroline       rangi that was so random hehe!
19:26 ashimema       okies.. thanks rangi
19:26 mtompset       Mesfin, order shouldn't matter.
19:25 rangi          ashimema: re the manual to older branches
19:25 Mesfin         should it be before the authbybind?
19:25 rangi          ashimema: naw you just have to cherry-pick and merge request
19:25 Mesfin         commented it out
19:25 Mesfin         I inserted it after the authbybind and threw an error
19:24 ashimema       which if your running packages will be in /etc/koha/sites/
19:23 ashimema       inside the <ldapserver> block in your koha.conf xml file
19:23 Mesfin         Where should I insert the anonymous bind? Any order in the config file?
19:19 Mesfin         I am going to try that now
19:18 davidnind      second link http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2018-10-05#i_2077943
19:18 ashimema       Mesfin.. let us know if setting <anonymous_bind>0</anonymous_bind> works please
19:18 ashimema       I hadn't anticipated that :(
19:17 ashimema       but now there is 'correct' behaviour the workaround leads to a broken configuration
19:17 ashimema       basically the bug was incorrect bahaviour and allot of configurations appear to have worked around it..
19:17 ashimema       tl:dr try setting <anonymous_bind>0</anonymous_bind>
19:16 huginn         Bug 18947: major, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Unexpected Active Directory LDAP authentication failure mode
19:16 ashimema       https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18947
19:16 cait           searching too, not finding it yet
19:15 davidnind      There was some discussion the other day on IRC first link: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2018-10-08#i_2078906
19:15 ashimema       see the last comment on just trying to find the bug number
19:15 Mesfin         I am desperate
19:14 mtompset       Saw the error message in the mailing list. Sorry, no clue Mesfin.
19:14 Mesfin         Hi Caroline
19:14 cait           ashimema: wasn't there another ldap related thing a few days ago?
19:14 Mesfin         LDAP search failed to return object : 000004DC: LdapErr: DSID-0C0907C2, comment: In order to perform this operation a successful bind must be completed on the connection., data 0, v2580 at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm line 101.
19:14 Mesfin         This is the error I am getting
19:13 Mesfin         Now patrons are unable to login with their AD password
19:13 Mesfin         and that broke active directory authentication
19:12 Mesfin         I upgraded Koha 17.05 to 18.05.04
19:12 caroline       Hi Mesfin!
19:12 Mesfin         I need help
19:11 Mesfin         Hi everyone
19:08 ashimema       I think SIP was developed in a similar fashion in koha
19:08 ashimema       and SIP ;)
19:08 ashimema       indeed
19:07 ashimema       (both british library things)
19:07 cait           we got hte second version of edi too :)
19:07 ashimema       first version of ILL was all in core koha.. and fairly hard code to the BLDSS workflows and ARTemail models
19:07 ashimema       or first version of ILL
19:07 ashimema       EDI?
19:07 ashimema       all tweaks to ease workflows and development at this point
19:06 cait           i think the first one was not as flexible either?
19:06 ashimema       and all the patches going in now are refinements to that.. almost a version 3.. with a version 4 and 5 planned if we can get funding
19:06 cait           similar to edifact almost
19:06 ashimema       the community got version 2 in effect
19:06 ashimema       we developed the original version as a large core feature.. then realised we'd need to split it into a driver model to allow for all the different implimentations of ILL services out there
19:05 ashimema       for years ;)
19:04 josef_moravec  nice ;)
19:04 ashimema       yup
19:04 josef_moravec  ashimema: in production?
19:03 ashimema       w
19:03 ashimema       we have all three in use in a number of customers no
19:03 ashimema       but it's a great proof of concept
19:03 ashimema       the Koha2Koha one is nice.. could do with some polishing here and there though.
19:03 ashimema       better than FreeForm.. the freeform one is a bit odd as it's only really half a backend (the other half is in koha core).. I'm not really sure how that happened.. likely during the massive amount of rebasing that happened at the last minute when trying to get the initial core functionality in koha
19:03 josef_moravec  i like the koha2koha backend too, it could be solution for many libraries in countries without any ILL service
19:02 ashimema       the BLDSS one (British Library) is a good example
19:02 josef_moravec  ashimema: yes it would be cool ;)
19:01 ashimema       brill :)
19:01 josef_moravec  this new service should have rest api, co we are hoping the backend development would not take ages then ;)
19:01 ashimema       and heopfully developing them too
19:01 ashimema       we're hoping to shift ILL backends into the plugins architecture.. which should make installing and testing them much easier..
19:00 ashimema       cool
19:00 ashimema       brain bad.. it's late already
19:00 josef_moravec  ashimema: the service is in development
19:00 cait           freeform would not  work here, we need one for ILL  with our union catalog (which allows for national ILL, but there are several ILL servers)
19:00 ashimema       dev meeting soon aint it..
19:00 ashimema       wow..
19:00 ashimema       or you're already trying to develop a backend
18:59 ashimema       the czech service is in development
18:59 josef_moravec  all working on ILL ++ :D
18:59 josef_moravec  cait: we just set the freeform backend and will try to use it form articles now... but in the future we would like to have backend for czech national ill service - when it will be avialable (now in development)
18:59 cait           was really hoping to have it pushed this week to be able to continue
18:59 oleonard       Bye all
18:59 cait           yeah and it's a big tree
18:59 ashimema       ILL should get a bit easier to work with soon.. there are plans afoot
18:58 oleonard       ...and there are a ton of them at the moment!
18:57 cait           so interested in integrating the ill patches
18:57 cait           but i'd like to see it all fixed up and stable before we do that
18:57 cait           not yet, we still need to write a backend
18:57 josef_moravec  cait: are you going to use ILL module in production?
18:56 davidnind      put cait in charge :)
18:55 oleonard       I feel so slackly integrated now.
18:54 cait           was hoping on some progress for ILL
18:54 cait           oh... who is going to push all the things?
18:51 kidclamp       bye koha! see you next week! (find tcohen in my absence)
18:49 davidnind      hi cait!
18:49 josef_moravec  hi cait
18:49 cait           hi davidnind and josef_moravec
18:42 davidnind      :-(
18:37 cait           [off] looking at the code4lib presentation proposals earlier - counted 3 folio, 2 wms and 1 alma... no koha?
18:20 mtompset       Yes. Now I don't know if Virtual PC runs under Ubuntu, but if it does, then you may be able to get the best of both things on an Ubuntu box.
18:19 corilynn       ah, so you were having the virtual machine fight club too?
18:19 mtompset       docker required hyper-v on Windows. :)
18:18 corilynn       what's docker?
18:18 mtompset       The nice thing about Ubuntu is I can run my docker AND virtualbox stuff at the same time. :)
18:18 corilynn       my company, however, needed it to work
18:17 corilynn       they rejected it because they wanted it to be broken
18:17 corilynn       'twas I wrote a patch for freetds to work on solaris
18:17 tcohen         hehe
18:17 tcohen         once I discovered how to compile apache for it
18:16 tcohen         :-D
18:16 tcohen         that was a nice OS
18:16 corilynn       oleonard, solaris?
18:16 oleonard       I think you should switch to whichever OS *I'm* most comfortable with.
18:15 corilynn       eating free snacks from the kitchen cabinets
18:14 corilynn       I'm happy to Ubuntu, makes me feel like I'm back in my 20's writing socket programs in a cubical
18:13 mtompset       Nah... switch to Ubuntu. ;)
18:13 tcohen         maybe time to try vagrant + hyper+v?
18:13 mtompset       Hyper V vs VirtualBox.
18:13 mtompset       Ooooo.....
18:12 corilynn       b/c virtual PC and VirtualBox don't like each other
18:12 mtompset       Me less so, but I have done it, and am attempting it again. :)
18:12 corilynn       BUT I can't do my other job then too
18:11 corilynn       s/a while/last week
18:11 corilynn       I was doing it that way for a while
18:11 tcohen         - Vagrant
18:11 tcohen         - Git bash
18:11 corilynn       I know what I need
18:11 tcohen         - VirtualBox
18:11 tcohen         you need:
18:11 tcohen         mtompset, CrispyBran and oleonard do it
18:10 tcohen         you should really launch kohadevbox on the windows OS
18:10 corilynn       that's going to take me a bit
18:09 corilynn       so I need to figure out how to Komodo on the linx
18:09 tcohen         ok, so
18:09 tcohen         ?
18:09 tcohen         windows -> linux (komodo + vbox) -> kohadevbox
18:09 corilynn       not... yet...
18:08 tcohen         so you run komodo on linux, right?
18:08 tcohen         I mention this because the way remote debugging works is by mapping the code on the box, and the one you are actually touching with your tool
18:08 corilynn       It's better if I keep development and cataloging on different machines
18:07 corilynn       I've had nothing but issues with the windows kohadevbox, b/c when I'm not developing I have to do cataloging through a virtual machine
18:07 tcohen         corilynn: can't you run virtualbox on your windows machine instead?
18:07 corilynn       ok, let me see what I can do for a bit
18:06 tcohen         if kohadevbox is able to reach your windows machine on the port you're fine
18:06 tcohen         ok
18:05 corilynn       so... here's my problem... I'm on a windows box, but I'm ssh'ing to a ubuntu box running the kohadevbox
18:05 tcohen         the port is usually 9000, but you should double check on Komodo
18:05 tcohen         so in user.yml, you tell it the remote debugging tool is on your host machine (192.168.50.1 on the internal network Vbox creates)
18:04 cbrannon[A]    Thanks everyone for the help.  The path was the key!
18:04 tcohen         I can help then :-D
18:04 corilynn       but I don't know what I"m doing
18:04 wahanui        darn tootin' it is.
18:04 tcohen         excellent
18:04 corilynn       komodo
18:04 * cbrannon[A]  is now away - Reason : Webinar
18:04 tcohen         what are you using?
18:04 corilynn       mm k
18:03 tcohen         and the port number you configured on your tool
18:03 corilynn       OHHHHHHH
18:03 tcohen         192.168.50.1
18:03 tcohen         if it is the host machine, put that
18:03 corilynn       but I'm getting an error
18:03 corilynn       I put my IP in there
18:03 tcohen         it defaults to localhost
18:03 tcohen         that one is important
18:03 tcohen         remote_debugger_location: "192.168.50.1:9000"
18:02 corilynn       I uncommented out the remote debugger lines
18:02 tcohen         remote_debugger: true
18:02 tcohen         what changes?
18:02 corilynn       and I did the sudo koha-plack --stop kohadev
18:02 tcohen         but it is known to work with Vim+VDebug
18:02 corilynn       i made the changes to the user.yml file
18:01 tcohen         I only used it with Komodo IDE
18:01 tcohen         tell me
18:01 tcohen         hi corilynn
17:59 corilynn       tcohen, do you have a minute to talk about getting the remote debugger working?
17:58 cait           caroline: not in our libraries yet
17:57 CrispyBran     this is looking promising
17:53 caroline       If so do you track them in acquisitions?
17:53 caroline       anybody have consignments at their library? Like when a bookseller sends you boxes of books to look through and you send back the ones you don't want
17:52 oleonard       I would think you could move them
17:51 CrispyBran     can I move my kohadevbox and koha folders there or do I have to pull them into the new location?
17:51 oleonard       CrispyBran: I have my git bash program shortcut set up to run as administrator by default
17:50 mtompset       You don't need to, if your directory isn't in Program Files, but Documents.
17:50 cait           oleonard: you know me too well :)
17:48 CrispyBran     Okay, so I can git bash here, but how do I do it as administrator?
17:47 oleonard       She just went home
17:47 mtompset       I so hate the 'Update apt cache' step. It takes forever!
17:47 CrispyBran     Thought you went to sleep
17:46 cait           hm why sleep?
17:46 CrispyBran     cait is sleep waving
17:46 * cait         waves
17:46 CrispyBran     I wasn't given a choice or instructions to do anything else.
17:45 mtompset       That's bad form, and asking to lose data if you accidentally uninstall and reinstall git bash.
17:45 mtompset       Don't put your cloned directories in your git bash program file install directory.
17:44 oleonard       CrispyBran: Is that where your checkout of the Koha repo is? You could try putting it somewhere else.
17:44 mtompset       CrispyBran, there is right-click "Git Bash here"
17:43 CrispyBran     I'm not sure how to do that.  My git bash root is the c:\Program Files\Git directory.  I don't know how to drill back any further.
17:43 mtompset       I'm at pip install step for a stretch install on Windoze right now.
17:42 mtompset       This is why I put all my cloned stuff in Documents.
17:42 mtompset       You don't get that same problem in other directories.
17:40 CrispyBran     Yes.  It prompts for authentication, when it works.
17:40 mtompset       So, for example, C:\Program Files\AwesomeGame\Subdir1 might actually exist for one user, but not another.
17:39 mtompset       Windoze has some strange user id directory protections on certain directories.
17:39 CrispyBran     I can't type
17:39 * CrispyBran   comtemplates his meaning in life while waiting
17:39 mtompset       CrispyBran, another thought...
17:37 mtompset       recompiling...
17:37 mtompset       I'm still in the midst of recompiled the guest tools
17:37 CrispyBran     No, laptop.
17:37 mtompset       Faster machine, faster internet. :P
17:36 mtompset       And you're running a desktop, aren't you?
17:36 CrispyBran     That is the first time anyone has called our public wifi fast.
17:35 mtompset       For only $100/month more, I could probably get something better. ;)
17:35 mtompset       I'm still starting up, because I don't have your fast internet.
17:35 oleonard       I tried bringing up a stretch devbox just now and it doesn't appear to have looked at ~/.bashrc
17:35 CrispyBran     Any luck mtompset?
17:35 mtompset       I envy your fast internet connection.
17:34 CrispyBran     Back to the original issue with the missing path.  :/
17:29 CrispyBran     that needs to be an animated gif
17:29 * oleonard     plays coding air-guitar
17:28 * CrispyBran   wishes he was a coding rockstar
17:26 CrispyBran     okay, works, but forgot to specify jessie.  It is downloading stretch.
17:25 mtompset       oleonard, I also have a patch for that. ;)
17:24 oleonard       Bad ansible.
17:24 tcohen         they keep changing the syntax on minor versions
17:24 oleonard       Okay
17:24 tcohen         (thus we control the ansible version)
17:24 tcohen         oleonard: yes, we will get rid of them once we move into making LOCAL_ANSIBLE the default
17:23 pastebot       "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Have you seen these warnings tcohen?" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/113
17:23 tcohen         well, you already fetched it
17:23 tcohen         and the git reset —hard origin/master
17:23 tcohen         do git fetch
17:23 tcohen         CrispyBran: instead of pull
17:22 mtompset       Okay... I'm actually trying to get my windoze up with SYNC_REPO. We'll see how that goes.
17:20 CrispyBran     tcohen CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in README.md
17:15 CrispyBran     I need to be in the kohadevbox folder when I git pull, correct?
17:14 * tcohen       is not in a good day evidently
17:14 tcohen         git remote set-url origin https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox.git
17:14 tcohen         sorry
17:14 CrispyBran     I'm confused.
17:13 CrispyBran     error: Unknown subcommand: origin
17:13 tcohen         remember we added 'github' to yours
17:13 tcohen         the default 'remote'
17:12 CrispyBran     what is origin?
17:12 CrispyBran     :/ It doesn't like me.
17:10 CrispyBran     Says this repository should not be used.  Obviously I need to point it to the new one.  :/
17:09 tcohen         then git pull :-D
17:09 tcohen         git remote origin set-url https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox.git
17:09 tcohen         or just
17:09 tcohen         CrispyBran: can you check the README.md file?
17:06 mtompset       Hmm....
17:06 CrispyBran     I thought we did.
17:05 oleonard       Of kohadevbox?
17:05 CrispyBran     Did a git pull yesterday with tcohen helping
17:04 CrispyBran     vm: the host path of the shared folder is missing: "C://Progra~1//Git//koha"
17:04 oleonard       tcohen: He has an older version of kohadevbox
17:04 tcohen         it should be defaulting to stretch
17:04 tcohen         on kohadevbox?
17:04 tcohen         CrispyBran: did you git pull
17:03 huginn         tcohen: jenkins was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 41 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <jenkins> Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #92: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.11_D8/92/
17:03 tcohen         @seen jenkins
17:03 wahanui        mtompset: that doesn't look right
17:03 mtompset       Change "Program Files" to "Progra~1"
17:02 CrispyBran     :P
17:02 CrispyBran     folder, not floder
17:02 CrispyBran     I used the other slashes.  It shows it this way though.
17:02 mtompset       No... the other slashes.
17:01 CrispyBran     vm: the host path of the shared floder is missing: "C://Program Files//Git//koha"
17:01 mtompset       https://youtu.be/4TYv2PhG89A
17:01 * mtompset     puts on some background music for drojf
17:00 oleonard       Check the section called "Aliases"
17:00 corilynn       thx
17:00 oleonard       corilynn: There are shortcut commands for it https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox
16:59 mtompset       Let me boot up my windoze box.
16:59 corilynn       qq on kohadevbox, where I can find the logs?
16:58 mtompset       And what oleonard said. :)
16:58 oleonard       ...so maybe try the double backslash?
16:58 oleonard       I have "export SYNC_REPO="c:\\Users\\oleonard\\Documents\\htdocs\\koha-git\\kohaclone\\"
16:58 mtompset       Dude! Progra~1 ;)
16:58 CrispyBran     So, in my .bashrc, I have export SYNC_REPO='"C:\Program Files\Git\koha"'.  Had to use the double quotes to get the full path with space to show, but I still get a message that the path doesn't exist.
16:56 oleonard       CrispyBran: Do you have "export SYNC_REPO=..." in ~/.bashrc?
16:56 oleonard       You must not have updated kohadevbox recently, which I think is probably fine
16:55 CrispyBran     I wish I were stable.  :)
16:55 CrispyBran     It's still defaulting to jessie for me.  I'm having problems with the path though.
16:55 oleonard       I have found JesseM to also be very stable ;)
16:54 oleonard       So I have to say "vagrant up jessie" now that stretch is the default.
16:54 CrispyBran     oh.  duh
16:54 oleonard       jessie the Debian distribution
16:54 CrispyBran     Is that JesseM
16:54 oleonard       However, I didn't try to troubleshoot
16:53 oleonard       It works for me with jessie, CrispyBran. I've tried the new default, stretch, but it wasn't working for me.
16:52 CrispyBran     Has anyone here had any success getting kohadevbox up on a Windows host with the SYNC_REPO working?
16:36 CrispyBran     :)
16:36 caroline       I haven't a clue, CrispyBran
16:36 CrispyBran     caroline, what are you?
16:34 * CrispyBran   is no longer away : Gone for 58 minutes 31 seconds
16:34 cbrannon[A]    mtompset, what are you?
16:28 mtompset       I should take lunch.
16:28 * mtompset     shrugs.
16:28 wahanui        it has been said that i am a political leader
16:28 mtompset       What are you, wahanui?
16:28 wahanui        i am a political leader
16:28 mtompset       What are you, wahanui?
16:28 wahanui        i am a political leader
16:28 mtompset       What are you, wahanui?
16:28 wahanui        i heard i was a political leader
16:28 mtompset       What are you, wahanui?
16:28 wahanui        i am back??!!!
16:28 mtompset       What are you, wahanui?
16:28 wahanui        i heard i was back??!!!
16:28 mtompset       What are you, wahanui?
16:28 wahanui        yes, mtompset?
16:28 mtompset       wahanui?
16:28 mtompset       wahanui is awesome.
16:27 wahanui        i am probably back??!!!
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:27 wahanui        rumour has it i am a conch
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:27 wahanui        well, i am a political leader
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:27 wahanui        i am back??!!!
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:27 wahanui        rumour has it i am back
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:27 wahanui        i am a conch
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:27 wahanui        i am a conch
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:27 wahanui        i am a political leader
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:27 wahanui        i am probably a political leader
16:27 mtompset       wahanui, what are you?
16:24 cait           bye all
16:22 mtompset       Is AnnaBoten a bot referencing: https://youtu.be/RYQUsp-jxDQ?
16:21 caroline       good bot wahanui
16:20 wahanui        i heard i was a conch
16:20 caroline       wahanui what are you?
16:20 cait           hm ok.
16:20 wahanui        cait?
16:20 cait           wahanui?
16:20 wahanui        cait?
16:20 cait           wahanui?
16:20 cait           it's a conch :)
16:20 mtompset       Freddy_Enrique, wahanui is a bot.
16:19 Freddy_Enrique ....
16:18 wahanui        i haven't a clue, freddy_enrique
16:18 Freddy_Enrique wahanui, are you a man or woman?
16:15 * caroline     closes the tab where their production environment is just in case
16:15 mtompset       scrolling back and reading: I'm with cait. Remap the data to good format, rather than trying to make bad one work.
16:15 cait           it might be because it created a 952 and it was not complete orsomething
16:14 cait           and not have them touch anything while it's happening
16:14 cait           x
16:14 cait           and definiteyl reinde
16:14 cait           have to change frameworks... and mappings
16:14 caroline       maybe that's why it broke last time
16:13 cait           someone else might want to weigh in... but i think you don't need the batch edit
16:13 huginn         mtompset: I suck
16:13 mtompset       @$indicator[$j] is functionally identical to $indicator->[$j], correct?
16:12 mtompset       quick inquiry, given that it is ugly perl.
16:12 cait           it's kinda... virtual
16:12 cait           the metadata should have no 952
16:12 * caroline     learned her lesson
16:12 cait           they only get put there for indexing and for export
16:12 caroline       In anycase, I'll try it locally first!
16:12 cait           i'd definitely test it somewhere not production tho
16:11 cait           if you change the mappings... and restart all the things... and reindex...
16:11 caroline       no?
16:11 caroline       well, I'll need to move for example holdingbranch from 952d to 952b
16:11 cait           the items are not stored in the marc record
16:11 wahanui        thinking is, like, so much easier
16:11 cait           thinking
16:11 cait           but do you need to batch edit?
16:11 cait           hm
16:10 cait           ouch
16:10 caroline       I just put everything back and never touched their environment again >_<
16:10 caroline       ok I'll go with koha standard subfields, hopefully, I don't break everything when I batch edit (in august, I tried to change the call number from 952k to 952o and it literally broke everything in production, very stressful!!)
16:08 caroline       you're right, the indexes didn't change even though the mappings did. so that's what break the search...
16:07 cait           to find the newest items
16:07 cait           for example the labels search for adding items to a batch uses dateaccessioned i think
16:06 cait           mostly because of Zebra indexes
16:06 cait           i tried to match my very first koha installation on the data i got... I never tried that again :)
16:05 caroline       hum I didn't check the indexes
16:05 cait           if you fix the data once... you don't have to maintain the different/changed indexes
16:05 cait           because you'd have to change all the indexing and that will follow you forever
16:05 cait           to match standard koha
16:05 cait           i would change the data
16:01 caroline       or should I try to fix their records and the rest of Koha so they match their weird framework?
16:00 caroline       therefore changing the mappings and their records
16:00 caroline       Here's my question : should I adapt their framework to match the "normal" one
15:59 caroline       but the search breaks because Koha is looking for a date in 952d
15:59 caroline       The Koha to MARC mapping matches these fields
15:59 caroline       Weird question. We recently migrated a library from a super old version of Koha (like 2 something). Their cataloguing framework is really different from the ones I'm used to, namely the item subfields are 952 b (homebranch), 952d (holdingbranch), 952r (price), 952u (itemnumber), 952v (dateaccessionned) and 952y (notforloan)
15:45 ashimema       Not got the time to properly dig into another area of Koha at the minute 🙄
15:45 ashimema       Think I'll comment that in the bug.. moving locks to the SQL layer just didn't even occur to me off the bat
15:44 ashimema       Don't think I understand the current message queue code well enough yet to comment really
15:43 mtompset       And I really think record locks would be better.
15:43 mtompset       ashimema, no... I don't like table locks, but I'm not sure record locks are ANSI SQL.
15:36 * cbrannon[A]  is now away - Reason : In meeting
15:25 ashimema       Don't think we do
15:25 mtompset       Sounds like we need one.
15:25 ashimema       Though I think it still makes some sense to do this locking at the Cron script level . I'm not so sure about using table locks
15:25 mtompset       Do we have a Koha::Semaphore? or Koha::Lock?
15:24 ashimema       Mmm,  I'm stuck too.. Joubu's comment made me think maybe I've missed even more..
15:23 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15529 normal, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Patch doesn't apply , Process Message Queue may send duplicate emails if process is launched twice
15:23 mtompset       ashimema, so what are your thoughts on bug 15529 then? I gave up.
15:22 ashimema       Fast moving at the moment ain't it oleonard
15:21 mtompset       oleonard, that's when you look up the RM team and plus them all. ;)
15:21 CrispyBran     mtompset: That worked...shows the whole path.  Now it just says vm: The host path of the shared folder is missing, and shows the path in quotes.
15:20 oleonard       "Your branch and 'origin/master' have diverged, and have 1 and 1010 different commits each, respectively." Dang, master.
15:12 mtompset       Double quote the string?
15:11 CrispyBran     hi mtompset
15:11 mtompset       Greetings, CrispyBran.
15:11 eythian        https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=germans+digging+holes+on+beaches&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 <-- "Ongeveer 28.900.000 resultaten"
15:10 reiveune       bye
15:10 eythian        On beaches, specifically.
15:10 CrispyBran     mtompset: I did go to vagrant 2.1.5.  Discovered the release when I went to find an older copy.  Works!.  Now, I just have to work around the problem that the SMB share fails because one of the directories has a space in it.
15:10 oleonard       I didn't know it was a stereotype that Germans dig holes.
15:08 eythian        cait: I don't know why Germans dig holes. You should explain it to us.
15:07 * CrispyBran   waves
15:06 caroline       "that's funny. ok." LOL!
15:05 caroline       do I really want to click on that mtompset?
15:05 mtompset       This should add some groans.
15:05 mtompset       Can't have you just laughing, caroline. https://youtu.be/XjK9FA1s-ro
15:02 * caroline     is grateful y'all are here making jokes, makes her day better
15:01 caroline       tuxayo: lol!!
15:00 marcelr        yeah it is run by germans
15:00 * tuxayo       feels bad for stealing the understanding of cait and caroline , didn't know that was possible o_o
15:00 caroline       when I went to Germany, my friend told me the lake near her place was man-made and actually hand-shovelled, maybe that's why?
14:59 cait           wind protection?
14:58 cait           dig
14:58 cait           and why did holes...
14:58 cait           why is digging holes a german thing?
14:58 tuxayo         Well that made sense for me :P
14:57 eythian        marcelr: Julianadorp was funny though, totally full of Germans. And they were actually digging holes in the sand, which I always thought was just a weird stereotype.
14:57 caroline       tuxayo, cait yeah, I feel more confused too XD
14:57 cait           tuxayo: i didn't feel like i was making sense, so that is good :)
14:56 cait           sent
14:56 tuxayo         caroline: cait  thanks for your answers and questions, now I understand better the messes around item types, loan types, subscriptions, framework, item level and record level ^o^
14:56 caroline       Maybe I'll add a page to the wiki on configuring the labels once I get it right
14:55 caroline       cait: sure I'll look at them caroline.cyr-la-rose@inlibro.com
14:55 eythian        just on the next street over
14:55 eythian        marcelr: oh, right by the station :( I would have biked within tens of metres of it.
14:54 marcelr        ridiculous thing near the station
14:54 caroline       trying to remove the number from under the barcode and add the "barcode" field
14:54 eythian        marcelr: I don't think I did ... what bolder?
14:54 cait           i can email them if you want them?
14:54 marcelr        hi eythian saw the bolder ?
14:53 cait           caroline: i found the pictures on our drive i was looking for - they show where which margin is etc, but not sure what the original source was
14:53 cait           hm, i don't think you can adjust that
14:53 caroline       oh nvm the client asked for the numbers not to be so close to the barcode...
14:52 caroline       better https://snag.gy/CcI8P3.jpg now the printing test -_-
14:51 cait           they are not...
14:50 cait           i am looking for them
14:50 cait           actually there ar not
14:49 caroline       getting there https://snag.gy/BP9KJ0.jpg but why isn't the barcode centered?
14:49 cait           about the margins
14:49 cait           there are some pictures in the manual i thnk
14:49 cait           crushed
14:49 cait           hm looks a bit cruched
14:48 caroline       but then, once the client tries to print, their printer will mess it up all over again
14:48 tuxayo         🦌
14:48 tuxayo         caroline: oh deer
14:47 caroline       I'm changing the "top text margin" with trial and error
14:47 caroline       cait: labels look like this right now https://snag.gy/PeAWs3.jpg
14:47 eythian        marcelr: hey, you're in Den Helder right? I was up that way in the weekend (Julianadorp specifically, mostly, but did a bike around Den Helder itself.)
14:47 tuxayo         That might not be used a lot so it's mostly habbits from what I understand.
14:47 tuxayo         cait: «it's strange :)» Indeed, it's a cataloging habbit. Because in UNIMARC allows to have the same record for an audio book and a paper book.
14:46 eythian        mtompset: I guess my link does fit into a Bill & Ted movie, sortaish.
14:45 cait           caroline: sadly not, what's not working?
14:43 * caroline     hates to troubleshoot label printing
14:43 caroline       do we have a "label template library"? trying to troubleshoot printing on avery5160
14:39 caroline       omg the haircuts... my eyes are bleeding
14:38 mtompset       It was a most excellent adventure.
14:37 mtompset       eythian, I counter with Bill & Ted: https://youtu.be/Q8UGAbAPPkk?t=50
14:37 cait           and the itemtype on biblio level shoudl be set on catalouging the record
14:36 cait           i think the only option is to hide it from the form if that pref is set
14:36 cait           it would not make sense to set it in the subscription
14:36 cait           tuxayo: you can have mulitple subsciptions per record
14:36 caroline       tuxayo: oohh...
14:35 tuxayo         caroline:  «So what is the workflow?» «do they put in an item type here?» Well, if the framework isn't well setup, then no itype :(
14:34 eythian        oh ye of little faith
14:34 cait           caroline: you learned fast
14:34 cait           yeah the field is useless then, as is the pref i mentioned
14:34 * caroline     is not sure she wants to click on eythian's link
14:33 cait           never happens here heh
14:33 cait           so all items have the same circulation conditions
14:33 eythian        mtompset: here you go, that'll fix the earworm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd3ZSx5ZGUs
14:33 cait           it's strange :)
14:33 tuxayo         cait: «but are they all using no item-level itypes?» Yes, we almost only have that
14:32 caroline       I'm sure it's an evil laugh too ;)
14:32 cait           gah me too
14:32 mtompset       Sorry, Caroline.
14:32 * mtompset     laughs.
14:32 cait           in the subscription
14:32 caroline       oh god... I didn't make the connection... now I too have Spice Girls.. -_-
14:32 tuxayo         cait: «maybe the field should be hidden if you are using biblio-level itemtypes» In the subcription or the framework?
14:31 mtompset       And now I have Spice Girls in my head!
14:30 marcelr        so we triggered the whole audience now :)
14:30 mtompset       Yes, that's the one bug I really, really want.
14:29 tuxayo         cait: thanks, your examples 'reference' and 'over night checkout' are when using the Item type to description the "loan type" right?
14:26 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Extend OpacHiddenItems to allow specifying exempt borrower categories
14:26 marcelr        bug 14385
14:25 marcelr        ono
14:25 mtompset       forcing me to use PHP too. :P
14:24 mtompset       Exactly...
14:24 marcelr        so bad these other projects
14:24 marcelr        yeah of course ..
14:24 marcelr        wow
14:24 mtompset       Had to work on other projects too.
14:24 mtompset       marcelr, 4 month break.
14:23 marcelr        hi mtompset what happened to your signoff rhythm? :)
14:21 tuxayo         «so it should not be mandatory i think» Indeed, I didn't know initially that the framework is used a thus the right place to prevent items to have invalid itypes
14:18 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21311 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Remove locked message from opac-auth.tt
14:18 marcelr        bug 21311 launched
14:17 caroline       tuxayo: So what is the workflow? They create a subscription (without specifying an item type), when they receive, they create an item (do they put in an item type here?)
14:11 cait           but are they all using no item-level itypes?
14:11 tuxayo         *issues
14:11 tuxayo         caroline: «that feature is onnly useful if you create items» It seems that most french libraries do that. To lend the item I guess.
14:10 mtompset       Wow. Busy today. :)
14:10 tuxayo         It's a lot outdated :( But some colleagues are working on that :)
14:10 tuxayo         caroline: «I thought the mandatory flag was set in the framework for 942$c (or something else in unimarc)»
14:10 mtompset       Greetings, caroline tuxayo cait oleonard eythian drojf
14:05 cait           it also has a second use with makePreviousSerialAvailable  - then the itemtpye is the one the item gets moved to if it's no longer the newest
14:05 * drojf        waves
14:05 eythian        oh, there a drojf here.
14:04 cait           it probably makes no sense then
14:04 cait           maybe the field should be hidden if you are using biblio-level itemtypes
14:04 oleonard       Is that a real drojf?
14:03 * cait         waves at drojf
14:03 cait           we have never used those...
14:03 cait           i am not sure how this is supposed with biblio level itemtypes
14:03 caroline       ah ok
14:02 caroline       but the default is determined by the biblio record, no?
14:02 cait           and for the second subscription it might be 'over night checkout'
14:02 cait           you can say for this subscription (there can be multiple per record) the item type is defaulted to 'reference'
14:02 cait           to have a default
14:02 * ashimema     just noticed tuxayo has a tiny avatar of a cat next to name now
14:02 caroline       but then if you create items, the item form appears upon receiving, why would there be an item type selection on the subscription creation form?
14:01 cait           and i hope i understood the question
14:01 cait           you can make it mandatory on the framework as you say if you want it mandatory in the item
14:01 cait           not everyone wants to use defaults
14:01 cait           it's the default itemtype for a new item for an issue, so it should not be mandatory i think
14:00 cait           it doesn't affect the record
14:00 cait           tuxayo: i think that feature is onnly useful if you create items
13:59 cait           and the structure has changed quite a bit, so in some cases it might be not so easy because files are different
13:59 cait           i think no procedure, you could ask for backport - but we haven' tdoen so systematically
13:59 caroline       I thought the mandatory flag was set in the framework for 942$c (or something else in unimarc)
13:59 * oleonard     never thought about why there is an item type selection on the subscription entry form
13:59 mtompset       Greetings, #koha
13:58 tuxayo         caroline: indeed, biblio-level
13:58 tuxayo         hi caroline , hi oleonard , hi ashimema !
13:57 caroline       tuxayo: biblio-level you mean?
13:57 tuxayo         Does anyone know if in a subcription, the Item type should be mandatory? Because it's not. Then the form default value is the empty string. Do we rely on the framework to make it madatory and maybe have a default value.
13:56 caroline       (by "we" I mean other ppl, not me ;) )
13:55 caroline       ashimema: do you think it has to do with "Switch branch/tag"? We always merge everything in master, but I see there are branches (or tags) called "manual18.05.x", "manual17.11.x", etc
13:52 ashimema       hi all
13:51 oleonard       Hi people I haven't said hi to yet
13:50 caroline       salut tuxayo!
13:50 tuxayo         hi #koha o/
13:40 ashimema       no worries
13:40 ashimema       hehe
13:40 caroline       ashimema: uh... not sure... maybe ask LeeJ, cait or rangi
13:39 * ashimema     can't remember when ILL was first pushed now
13:39 ashimema       and perhaps even 17.11
13:39 ashimema       but could probably do with being backported to 18.05
13:39 ashimema       example in point.. the ILL chapter is getting added to current development manual.. i.e. 18.11..
13:38 ashimema       caroline.. do you happen to know if there's any procedures for backporting manual fixes?
13:31 corilynn       kidclamp! thx for the signoff :)
13:18 Freddy_Enrique :)
13:18 caroline       Hi Freddy_Enrique, hi cait!
13:17 cait           good morning caroline :)
13:17 cait           :)
13:17 Freddy_Enrique Greeting everyone
13:13 caroline       yay! ashimema++
13:13 ashimema       happy that he's finally removed the WIP flag on his gitlab merge request
13:12 ashimema       oops.. hit return too quick there
13:12 * ashimema     is really happy
13:11 caroline       good morning!
12:50 ray_           How can i integrate koha and amlib library systems
12:43 ere            cait: I won't
12:43 cait           but don't tell anyone
12:43 cait           sometimes... I do that too :)
12:41 ere            cait: I'll just pretend it didn't occur
12:41 cait           ere: hm not seen that then, i hope it's a glitch (i like that better than a bug :) )
12:40 archie         it required me to remove all mysql from computer, then install mariaDB and then disable appknight
12:39 archie         and i couldn't install mariaDB
12:39 archie         i had a problem during koha instalation form packages. I got a fresh PC with a fresh ubuntu
12:36 ere            too bad I can't really recreate the situation
12:36 ere            it also completed successfully after going through the steps
12:35 ere            cait: it stays in the installer but every other screen is the credentials screen
12:35 cait           i'd also try restarting all the things and maybe deleting your cookies
12:34 cait           hm
12:34 cait           or the normal gui?
12:34 cait           is it kicking you out of the installer?
12:33 ere            cait: err... but it's the database user name, so no permissions in play, no?
12:32 ere            cait: I haven't touched the permissions, I think, but I'll check that, thanks.
12:31 cait           ere: i have seen that lately when i gave myself accidentally the web self check permission
12:30 oleonard       I just have my virtual hosts configured wrong (or not the way I expect it I guess)
12:30 ere            Anyone else encountered a problem with the database update when fetching latest master? It's asking for the user name and password between every step for me..
12:30 oleonard       Oh wait there it is.
12:27 oleonard       tcohen: My first attempt to bring up a stretch box was not successful :( 404 error on Koha
12:15 huginn         tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:15 tcohen         @later tell mtompset I think we should make LOCAL_ANSIBLE=1 the default, I haven't proposed it yet until we get feedback on the stretch move
12:15 ashimema       mwah.. I'll let you know once I do ;)
12:14 tcohen         actually, whatever the rmaints prefer
12:14 tcohen         we can make it only notify patch authors
12:14 ashimema       no worries
12:14 tcohen         yes, sorry for that
12:14 tcohen         hola ashimema!
12:14 * ashimema     got swamped overnight
12:13 ashimema       :)
12:13 tcohen         Joubu: we fixed jenkins emails, yes
12:13 tcohen         morning
12:00 ashimema       then see if any other systems map more easily to that
11:59 ashimema       or of course.. you can try to do it yourself.. in which case first thing to try and understand is you own data in your existing system..
11:59 ashimema       there are loads of migration specialists in here and out there in the world.. ;)
11:58 ashimema       I think my point there really was that you shouldn't take "I support ETL" as a deciding factor when choosing an ILS.. everything out there has a way of getting data in and out.. it's about finding someone who can do it.. whether they use a tool you've heard of or not doesn't really matter
11:56 ashimema       yup
11:55 archie         ok good, so i'm on a right track then
11:55 archie         yeah that's what ETL stands for Extract/transform/load
11:54 ashimema       whether you use scripts or a software package or a support company to do the middle step is really up to you
11:53 ashimema       get data out -> massage data into a new format suitable for the injest of the other system -> injest it
11:53 archie         well yeah as far as i understad. Extract - > modify -> load to koha
11:53 ashimema       the process will pretty much be the same whatever system you go to in my opinion
11:53 ashimema       so.. you will really need a migration project to get that data out and put in another system whatever that system may be
11:53 archie         also probably going to migrate from Aleph but i've found a thread on koha community on how that been done
11:52 cait           so you have... layers
11:52 archie         around 15 years old and not being supported anymore
11:52 cait           like ... different fields get used over time etc.
11:52 cait           with every new staff member things slightly change
11:52 cait           there is also the generation thing
11:52 archie         it's a platform that's been specifically written for some libraries in my country
11:51 cait           archie: what are you migrating from?
11:51 ashimema       lol
11:50 ere            Often the truth is that the old system had a bug or "feature" that allowed a very creative solution... The worst case I've worked with had 5 freetext fields for subject terms with automatic wrapping to the next line. Slightly painful to convert..
11:49 ashimema       I do few enough migrations now that it's a fun break from feature coding ;)
11:49 ashimema       I don't interface with customers as much as I used to ;)
11:48 ashimema       hehe
11:48 ere            ashimema: "own special way" is a very nice way to put it :)
11:48 archie         right probably going to have million of questions when migration actually starts. hopefully next monday
11:48 ashimema       archie^
11:48 ashimema       even then though.. you often find people migrating from the same system have their own special way of using that system that means it's not a 100% duplicate of migration work
11:47 ashimema       people often come here and say 'Anyone done a migration from X to Koha' and at that point we can offer assistance if we've done one..
11:47 ere            andreashm: oh, ok :)
11:46 andreashm      ere: oh, I had noticed you added a nw patch. Must have missed to cc me on the bug
11:46 ashimema       there are plenty of examples out there going from system x to system y of course.. bug there really isn't a magic "Go from ANY sytem to ANY system button on any thing"
11:46 archie         ashimema: i mean i'm looking at pentaho since everyone praise it for migrating the databases
11:46 cait           and most of the time there is a lot that is not 1:1 in the mappings
11:46 ere            ashimema: Yes, testable, but you need to make sure to apply 19893 first..
11:46 cait           exactly
11:45 ashimema       you will need to understand the schema of the two systems to some extent whatever tool you use
11:45 ashimema       but there is no magic bullet
11:45 cait           we write our own, i think this is common
11:45 ashimema       you can use whatever you like archie
11:44 cait           it might vary
11:44 cait           bibliogrpahic records, authorities, items = MARC21
11:44 archie         so no actual soft is used?
11:44 cait           s
11:44 cait           for everythign else it#s usually csv,mapping to the koha database and migration script
11:43 cait           bibiographic data has to be converted to marc21
11:43 * ashimema     needs to check whether it is
11:43 cait           usually you extract the data from the system if you are lucky, you can get marc21 for bibliographic data, most of the tiem you are not
11:43 ashimema       just not especially worth testing until the other one is moving again
11:43 ashimema       so testable
11:43 cait           archie: sorry, was on lunch break
11:43 ashimema       Oh.. but it is already based upon it.. cool
11:42 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Failed QA , Alternative optimized indexing for Elasticsearch
11:42 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19365 major, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, BLOCKED , link_bibs_to_authorities.pl doesn't work with Elasticsearch
11:42 ere            ashimema: Hi! Yes, bug 19365 is blocked by bug 19893. Strange thing is that "git bz apply 19365" doesn't offer to follow the dependency..
11:40 ere            There had been some changes to the tabs code and I had made a mistake while rebasing..
11:40 ere            andreashm: Hi! Sorry about that. The updated version I just attached a couple of hours ago fixes that, among others.
11:40 andreashm      hi marcelr
11:39 marcelr        hi #koha
11:38 andreashm      ere: I did start looking at your holdings record patch, but never got very far. one thing that looked strange to me was the new holdings tab - since the old one is also called that there was now two holdings tabs. it looked strange and can create a lot of confusion...
11:38 wahanui        hi oleopard
11:38 calire         hi oleonard
11:36 andreashm      hi ere
11:34 wahanui        hi oleopard
11:34 archie         hi oleonard
11:33 oleonard       Hi all
11:21 archie         Like pentaho or something
11:20 archie         or you used some soft for that ?
11:20 archie         how excatly did you do that? did you extract CSV's from 1 DB and uploaded it to Koha?
11:19 archie         cait: you said you've done DB migration
11:15 * ashimema     is back
10:05 fridolin       whould you say for 17.11.x too ?
10:05 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21396 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Missing use statements in Koha::Account
10:05 fridolin       cait: Bug 21396
10:04 fridolin       cait: coucou
09:51 archie         yeah from the looks of it everything will just redirect to open library
09:40 cait           for the extended pattributes - i think the problem is not multiple words, it doesn't like commas
09:29 cait           :)
09:28 davidnind      Nice! You can download PDFs/ePubs/Plain Text/Daisy/Kindle versions where these are freely available - quality of text will depend on how good the OCR is though
09:25 andreashm      Seems to work pretty well though, looking at the demo site: http://internetarchive.github.io/read_api_extras/readapi_demo.html
09:24 wahanui        i think probably is too hard.
09:24 andreashm      probably
09:24 cait           for the actual process
09:24 cait           but still have to go through to the openlibrary website
09:23 cait           i think you can display
09:23 andreashm      whatever that means
09:23 cait           sorry might just be my 'cold' brain
09:23 andreashm      "The results may offer links to borrowable books"
09:23 andreashm      It's mentioned in the Read API section
09:21 cait           don't see something about borrowing
09:21 davidnind      You can also embed documents using their book reader https://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/bookreader which is pretty cool
09:20 andreashm      https://openlibrary.org/developers/api
09:19 davidnind      Don't think it is needed for any out of copyright books/other materials
09:18 davidnind      You need an account for borrowing
09:17 cait           seems like you'd need that for it to integrate with Koha
09:16 cait           wonder if that also can work without an openlibrary account?
09:16 cait           thx davidnind!
09:15 davidnind      as s/be is!
09:14 davidnind      Here as link - borrowing books from the Open Library https://openlibrary.org/help/faq/borrow
09:14 cait           i am a bit puzzled
09:13 cait           and you can find it searching for the first or second part... but not together
09:13 cait           i have one with names
09:13 andreashm      we don't have extended attributes with multiple words, sorry, no help here
09:12 cait           someone aware of problems searching for extended patron attributes with multiple words?
09:10 cait           we had some open library integration for covers, never seen a bug for the loans
09:10 cait           i think i see it, didn't know that
09:09 cait           cool, someone has a link?
09:09 davidnind      With Open Library you can loan any ebooks for a set period
09:07 cait           haven't heard of it at least
09:07 cait           i am not sure that openlibrary has a loan model
09:07 archie         theoverdrive does not work in Latvia AFAK
09:07 archie         something like openlibrary.org
09:05 cait           interesting :)
09:05 archie         yes i understand that but right now we are in the middle of a project and i need to understand how many developers/analysts/testers  to hire. so weather there is some sort of existing solution or should we build from ground up ;) that's why i'm asking
09:04 cait           archie: there is no standard for this, so that's a problem created by the publishers that makes it hard on every ILS to support those workflows
09:00 * ashimema     would like to add.. Koha is open source.. if there's something it doesn't do yet that you want it to do, you can always add it ;)
09:00 archie         Latvia
08:59 cait           where are you from, archie?
08:59 cait           but it really depends on what kind of service and API the publisher offers in the first place
08:59 cait           koha has direct support for overdrive and another with 18.11 (not used here, so i forget)
08:58 cait           it depends on the publisher
08:58 archie         well. perfectly we would have a place for a publisher to load e-books directly and students could "lend" these ebooks for 14 days or so
08:57 cait           the question is a bit general
08:57 cait           it depends on your use cases and what you want to do
08:57 cait           you can also use Koha in combination with open source or proprietory RDS systems
08:57 cait           Koha has an OPAC, you can load records for e-resources
08:54 archie         does koha support some sort of front end portal (like opec) that could provide E-books for customers ?
08:31 ashimema       but yeah.. those mathcing rules are pretty powerful and good
08:31 ashimema       depends on the circumstances of the import and stuff
08:31 ashimema       we sometimes use that, we sometimes match before we load ;)
08:30 cait           archie: koha has the matching rules for importing data, i would assume people are using that
08:23 ashimema       :)
08:23 josef_moravec  ashimema: ;)
08:20 ashimema       josef_moravec++ #pragmatic and constructive responses to bug feedback :)
08:19 ashimema       there is no magic bullet
08:18 ashimema       all the support companies are doing such a task i imagine on a very regular basis
08:18 ashimema       well you need to find a way to identify duplicate first and then work with that assumption to code your migration
08:12 archie         right, in that case i have a concern. let's say i have a Library A and Library B and i want to merge them into koha. How will the book merging be done so there are no duplicates in system?
08:11 cait           but i am not aware of the expression either
08:11 cait           archie: i think most of us have done that
08:11 andreashm      matts++
08:09 archie         ashimema:  have you ever migrated data from other libraries to koha?
08:09 cait           it still got the cold
08:08 andreashm      oh, 80% cait! (what happened to the other 20% I wonder?)
07:58 cait           let's say 80% back :)
07:56 ashimema       cait's back :)
07:56 * cait         waves from her desk
07:54 ashimema       I've done plenty of migrations over the years.. yet I've never heard that tla
07:54 archie         ashimema: extract transform load. It is a method used to migrate one database to another
07:42 ashimema       ETL ?
07:20 andreashm      hi archie
07:19 archie         morning andreashm
07:19 andreashm      morning
07:19 andreashm      mornng
07:19 archie         right, another question. has anyone used any type of ETL's to migrate any library to koha
07:12 calire         but I'm now going to...
07:12 ashimema       :)
07:12 calire         I haven't tried with JS
07:12 calire         probably, you can for css in firefox
07:11 ashimema       as a random hint.. if your using chrome (and probably there's a way in firefox too).. you can literally type your JS in the 'console' in dev tool.. hit enter and it'll run immediately.. it's a great way to quickly test selectors and js code
07:10 ashimema       right.. i need to go do a school run now.. back in half an hour :)
07:09 ashimema       it takes a bit of practice.. but once you've mastered it there's a heck of allot you can do with those system preferences.. you can completely change the page if you want :)
07:09 ashimema       calire++
07:09 calire         that works for me
07:09 calire         $("#members > ul > li > a.login-link").text("TESTING");
07:09 calire         maybe this if you just want to change one link
07:08 archie         thanks gang you are the best ;D
07:08 archie         oh wow it works
07:08 ashimema       my selector is a bit broad.. but yours appears to be too narrow and doesn't catch the right element for some reason
07:08 ashimema       so it's a selector issue..
07:07 ashimema       that works
07:07 ashimema       $("#members > ul > li > a").text("TESTING");
07:07 ashimema       $("#members > ul > li > a").text("TESTING");
07:06 ashimema       $(document).ready(function () { $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING"); });
07:06 ashimema       $(document).ready(function () { $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING"); });
07:06 ashimema       oh.. in that paste above you have backticks
07:04 calire         I'm no pro ;)
07:04 calire         yeah I was just trying to troubleshoot the selector
07:03 ashimema       I'm just reading it to try and understand where the selector might be going wrong
07:03 archie         ok i'll check ;)
07:03 ashimema       though I imagine calire did that bit.. so if it's still not working it would seem to be an issue in the js you've written
07:03 ashimema       that's right archie
07:02 archie         right?
07:02 archie         so   $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING"); turns into $(document).ready(function () {`  $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING");  `});
07:01 ashimema       odd
07:01 ashimema       without it your JS will be there but won't actualy trigger
07:01 calire         I jsut tried out archie 's JS on my devbox and it doesn't seem to be taking
07:01 ashimema       it's the document ready function that says 'once the page has fully loaded, run this stuff'
07:00 ashimema       `$(document).ready(function () {` your things here `});`
07:00 ashimema       you need to have
07:00 ashimema       so..
07:00 ashimema       so the OPACUserJS and IntranetUserJS both just accept javascript.. they don't automatically tirgger it's application
07:00 archie         ashimema: where can i check that?
06:58 archie         ok, so i'm farily new to this. Can you rephrase that question a little bit? :D
06:58 ashimema       archie is your js inside an onload event?
06:57 ashimema       indeed it should
06:51 archie         ?
06:51 archie         shouldnt it be up to date
06:51 archie         well if i installed koha using packages
06:44 calire         like I say, it'snot the newest version so I dunno, but I've not had that issue before
06:44 ashimema       S/u/i
06:43 ashimema       I
06:43 ashimema       Oh, cool. Maybe they fixed system preference cache invalidation and u just didn't notice. 😀
06:43 josef_moravec  hello #koha
06:43 calire         ashimema yes
06:42 wahanui        que tal, reiveune
06:42 reiveune       hello
06:42 ashimema       Grr, silly autocomplete
06:42 ashimema       Using plack calibre?
06:41 calire         on an older version though admittedly
06:40 calire         I was playing with intranetuserjs all day yesterday and didn't need to restart
06:40 calire         then I'll rephrase: you *shouldn't* need to restart anything
06:39 ashimema       Feel free to report it as a bug.. not sure if it's in bugzilla already or not.. it is/was well known.. annoy me but I've never got around to properly investigating
06:39 ashimema       If something like that isn't taking effect immediately I restart plack.. then memcached.. then Apache.. checking between each restart whether it's taken effect
06:38 ashimema       If your using plack you may need to restart that.. that's a bug that you do though..
06:37 calire         no you don't need to restart anything
06:34 archie         should i restart apache server or something
06:34 archie         so what i'm doing is: I'm going to the Home › Administration › System preferences, typing in OPACUserJS, and typing in   $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TEST"); pressing save all opac preferences But when i go into OPAC nothing is changed
06:32 archie         or maybe i'm doing something wrong.
06:32 archie         well, anything would be fine, i just wanna see it this actually works. for instance i'm trying to change  the text of the OPAC login link using   $("#members a:contains('Log in to Your Account')").text("TESTING123"); but this does not work for some reason
06:31 calire         morning #koha
06:30 calire         archie, what do you want to change?
06:30 archie         yeah and OPACUserJS
06:29 fridolin       archie: hi, you mean using IntranetUserJS preference ?
06:18 archie         has anyone had any experiance with JQuery modifications:via administration screen?
06:18 archie         hi fridolin
06:13 fridolin       hi there
05:41 archie         ?
05:41 archie         can someone explain to me what i'm doing wrong regarding Home › Administration › System preferences
05:40 archie         Hi people
05:34 RudyW          Now checking whether Plack can be setup for OPAC as well. Can it?
05:33 RudyW          Update on my Plack: it is actually working and it makes a big difference. Just not where I was testing on the OPAC. It works on INTRANET.
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02:36 mtompset       @later tell tcohen Why are we not doing LOCAL_ANSIBLE by default?
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02:34 mtompset       @later tell CrispyBran Why are you not trying VagrantUp 2.1.5?