Time  Nick             Message
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 18639: (follow-up) Remove debugging code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=051eef767ab3723a63e1bfff50864ab441e05f23>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21403: DBRev 18.06.00.035 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4859e49539e37f08689df3ba001739711f1332a4>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 17602: Add missing html filters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b04df7d606afa7ec7a43c788dcfcd06e595ccabd>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21403: Do not overwrite the options if modified locally <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6e44c9c6bb78bfb3edeacf877c5edb114aab558>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21385: Define the Koha object class for orders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3dee0daf29c4593aee2781307853845a6cd3735>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21462: (bug 15136 follow-up) Shift column numbering <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fca98de0e8663c4e7049e55ac2cc2600c9b659a5>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21448: Fix copy repeated subfields when linking an authority with 6xx <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=08386cd3f05c5bc4dc6306e3a1d6c4878cce7c86>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21430: Update two-column templates with Bootstrap grid: Reports part 3 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15670cd590e4a1efc01bb9bd1648162781486f5b>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21403: Add Indian Amazon Affiliate option to AmazonLocale setting <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1bf2238c49bad5471b467aae4a5f680639cee97>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21385: (follow-up) make query consistent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e6f4f1f4fb346351dcfc6c580888022641d4b6a>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21385: Add Unit Tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f20c8c65172c1a32e7d2b20ed2506199423f103>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21385: Correctly count all items in basket for booksellers list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17db3ab05cb25d08f0790cff9eed5f0f75ca8107>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21176: Fix due date calculation when high holds and TimeFormat is 12hr <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11885e75c04fa53cd88daae1ec0dc4a2a8ecd1f7>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21429: Update two-column templates with Bootstrap grid: Reports part 2 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b1c37929509ea880eafdd0f0650f301d314b034>
00:11 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21428: Update two-column templates with Bootstrap grid: Reports part 1 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7858cae1bf5fbdfa07a2d03fee534d1613553146>
00:30 kidclamp         night!
00:40 Guest1662        Yippee, build fixed!
00:40 Guest1662        Project Koha_Master_D9 build #564: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/564/
00:41 kidclamp         Heck yeah
00:48 Guest1662        Yippee, build fixed!
00:48 Guest1662        Project Koha_Master_D8 build #58: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/58/
01:06 Guest1662        Yippee, build fixed!
01:06 Guest1662        Project Koha_Master_U18 build #52: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/52/
02:36 mtompset         @later tell CrispyBran I'm more findable on skype, facebook, twitter, and other communication methods. :)
02:36 huginn           mtompset: The operation succeeded.
02:37 mtompset         Have a great day, #koha kidclamp
03:55 Javier_Pelaez    d
05:31 ashimema         <_oftc_Freddy "cait++"> Freddy_Enrique++ #casting some light on how the community fits together.. awesome diagrams man
05:34 ashimema         Joubu++ #jumping on the critical bug whilst I was asleep.. thanks dude
05:42 paxed            cait: morning. bug 11175 now obeys a syspref
05:42 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views
06:16 ashimema         paxed++
06:16 ashimema         I love that feature paxed
06:25 paxed            i just hope it can be shoved into master eventually...
06:25 ashimema         it's using proper 001 links too isn't it?
06:25 * ashimema       is just reading the patch.. it's pretty comprehensive
06:25 ashimema         may well need a ES followup though perhaps?
06:26 ashimema         but I'm personally happy with it going in, in two stages.. zebra first
06:26 magnuse          \o/
06:26 ashimema         ooh.. are you doing the proper combination of 001 and 003..
06:26 ashimema         koha's not done that to date has it.. that's awesome.. I've been wanting to add that for ages
06:27 magnuse          paxed++
06:30 ashimema         You didn't fancy taking a look through these wiki pages and updating them at all did you?
06:30 ashimema         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Serial_Analytics
06:30 ashimema         I wrote them, or rather wrote some and adapted others when I last worked in this area.. would be awesome to keep them up to date with this feature
06:30 ashimema         May even be nice to add them into the manual at some point
06:33 ashimema         be nice to actually do the merge of https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytics into the little set of pages at least too
06:33 ashimema         at last.. even
06:33 paxed            ashimema: i took a loook, haven't touched them, because i'm losing faith ever getting this feature in
06:33 ashimema         really?
06:35 ashimema         I'm happy to lend a hand.. be a lovely feature to get in
06:35 ashimema         aha.. I see.. caits special libraries with article level records.
06:35 ashimema         yeah.. I had a loooong chat with her about that way back
06:35 ashimema         leads to a massive catalogue
06:35 matts            hi
06:35 ashimema         adding a 'see more . . .' shouldn't be too terrible though should it?
06:35 ashimema         hi matts
06:36 ashimema         ooh
06:36 ashimema         and her wierd missing middle level
06:36 ashimema         hmm
06:36 * calire         waves
06:37 paxed            ashimema: it now depends on a syspref to turn it off altogether, so
06:37 * dcook          waves while on the phone
06:37 josef_moravec    hi #koha
06:38 alex_a           bonjour
06:39 paxed            ashimema: the list also just shows scrollbars if the height would be more than 25em: https://bilious.alt.org/~paxed/koha/bug11175_screenshot.png
06:40 reiveune         hello
06:40 ashimema         Coolios
06:41 ashimema         What's the performance like with massive analytic numbers I wonder
06:41 paxed            zebra search.
06:41 paxed            all the component record mangling for display is done in xslt
06:48 * ashimema       also always wondered if easyAnalytics could be merged into the useControlNumber handling
06:55 magnuse          what's the plan for announcing the winner of the kohacon19 vote? at the general meeting tomorrow?
06:57 ashimema         I believe so
06:57 * ashimema       is in a company meeting all day tomorrow so isn't yet sure if he'll actually be able to attend the general meeting 🤔
06:58 calire           tomorrow is a bank holiday here so I will likely forget -_-
06:58 magnuse          i would say as long as the feature can be turned off for those not able to use it, bug 11175 should make it in even if it does not fit cait's libraries :-)
06:58 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views
06:58 magnuse          ashimema: i think the meeting is late in the evening for us
06:59 magnuse          3 October 2018, 20:00 UTC https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_3_October_2018
06:59 ashimema         Indeed.. I'll likely be at dinner with the company gang
06:59 magnuse          22:00 my time
07:00 magnuse          21:00 your time?
07:00 magnuse          y'all can join the meeting from your fonez ;-)
07:00 ashimema         We have a two day meeting in London, and all go out for dinner.. as we're all remote it's our only opportunity to catch up in person
07:00 ashimema         Yeah 2100
07:00 ashimema         Hehe
07:00 magnuse          sounds nice, though
07:00 * ashimema       is on the phone right now...bet you can tell from all the typos
07:01 ashimema         Indeed
07:01 ashimema         The docs meeting is just before it isn't it.. or is that today..I've lost track
07:03 magnuse          today, i think
07:03 magnuse          2 October 2018, 21:00 UTC https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_2_October_2018
07:03 ashimema         I'll try to poke our docs person.. she's keen now 😁
07:04 magnuse          yay!
07:05 * ashimema       really needs to get an ES setup today.. meant to be demoing it tomorrow
07:25 magnuse          bonjour cait et sophie_m
07:25 sophie_m         hi magnuse and #koha
07:47 * andreashm      waves
07:57 tuxayo           o/ andreashm
07:59 dcook            "The machine index which stores all required information about running Vagrant environments has become corrupt"
07:59 dcook            eeep
07:59 * dcook          hopes vagrant doesn't crash his workstation again
08:00 andreashm        hi tuxayo
08:00 andreashm        and hi dcook! working late?
08:01 dcook            hey andreashm
08:01 dcook            Yup
08:01 andreashm        and that error does sound bad!
08:01 dcook            I sent you an email saying I was going to try to do some community work with 4 minutes left of my work day
08:01 dcook            And now I'm just going to see how long I can go before I get hungry :p
08:02 andreashm        make it 4 good minutes! =)
08:03 dcook            It's already been 6 minutes now heh
08:03 dcook            I still have a handful or two of peanut m&ms though so all good
08:04 dcook            Hmm... I do still have this laptop with everything set up. Maybe I should just use that in favour of my workstation...
08:12 ashimema         paxed still about?
08:13 andreashm        dcook: using the pre-configured laptop makes a lot of sense in this situation. =)
08:13 andreashm        unless you've already gone by now
08:15 paxed            ashimema: yes?
08:16 fridolin         hi ;)
08:16 ashimema         are you deliberately only handling 773's in that display bug?
08:17 * ashimema       is looking at how far useControlNumber now goes.. it's used for a whole bunch of linked fields these days
08:17 ashimema         490, 773, 775, 780, 785
08:17 dcook            andreashm: Nah, I think I'm going to be here forever now :D
08:17 dcook            Also managed to mess up the git on the laptop :'(
08:17 dcook            But... looking at fixing it. So that's fun.
08:18 paxed            ashimema: well, 773 is the component parts field. 775 is "other edition", etc. this would be a good start to even handle any of these
08:18 ashimema         agreed.. just wondered if there was the intention to do it
08:19 andreashm        dcook: I always manage to break something with git. so I sympathize.
08:20 ashimema         I also wonder about your 'hidden in the code' fallback route between using 001 + 003 and just 001
08:20 dcook            It made me think of that time at Kohacon heh
08:21 ashimema         as the linking fields stuff all ind on useControlNumber syspref I could certainly see people wanting that turned on.. but then the hiding of that fact that that inadvertantly turns off the 001 + 003 type searching/linking for this could be a surprise
08:21 paxed            ashimema: 003+001 is what should be used for linking per the MARC21 format specs.
08:21 ashimema         perhaps a followup bug that adds a 'UseControlIdentifier' pref and allows for the links to construct much like in your display search
08:22 ashimema         I agree
08:22 andreashm        dcook: haha. =)
08:24 andreashm        wait, useControlNumber braks 001+003 search/linking?
08:24 andreashm        breaks
08:24 ashimema         well it doesn't break it
08:24 ashimema         it just ignores 003's
08:25 ashimema         so.. I imagine in allot of cases there's not conflicts in 001's that actually require the 003 distinction
08:25 ashimema         but the 001 + 003 is the 'correct' way to do it according to spec as far as I'm aware
08:25 ashimema         if you don't use useControlNumber then links are simple title searches.. so your even worse off
08:25 ashimema         dcook ^
08:27 andreashm        oh. didn't know that. thanks for clarifying!
08:27 paxed            but that has nothing to do with bug 11175, imo
08:27 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views
08:27 ashimema         hense my thoughts on adding a useControlIdentifier pref to add the distinction
08:27 ashimema         so you can build up the specificity of the searches
08:28 * dcook          wasn't really following the conversation
08:28 dcook            hey josef_moravec, are you still around?
08:28 ashimema         paxed: except that if happend to have a catalogue where 003 was important.. enabling useControlNumber would mean you get bad results in bug 11175
08:28 josef_moravec    hi dcook, yes still here
08:29 dcook            awesome, I'll PM you
08:29 ashimema         sorry dcook.. I actualyl highlighted the wrong person
08:30 dcook            np ashimema. I do find 001+003 interesting in general! Although mostly in terms of how 001+003 should be combined to make the 035 on import I think...
08:30 ashimema         oh. interesting other side to this.. thanks dcook :)
08:30 paxed            ashimema: okay, i'll redo the patch
08:30 ashimema         i'm also never entirely sure how 001 and 003 should be combined for 773$w
08:31 paxed            773w=(Host_003) Host_001
08:31 ashimema         paxed does a 'combine with space' OR '773$w=001 AND 003=003'
08:31 ashimema         which is interesting
08:31 ashimema         I'd also seen no space
08:31 ashimema         and 003 in brackets and a space
08:31 dcook            Oh wow... I seem to have filled my kohadevbox's diskspace with my koha git...
08:31 ashimema         as above
08:32 paxed            $w(DLC)###59003745#
08:32 ashimema         do you not link out to a local kohclone dcook?
08:32 dcook            Nah, I thought I was having issues with git for windows, so I just did it within the kohadevbox on the laptop at kohacon
08:32 dcook            Going forward, I'd link out though
08:33 ashimema         I see
08:33 dcook            In fact I should check the status of the kohadevbox on my desktop to see how it's coping
08:33 * dcook          is a huge fan of koha-testing-docker...
08:33 paxed            ashimema: looks like even the LoC doesn't khow exactly, as their examples also have $w(CaOONL)840790694E
08:33 paxed            so looks like space is optional
08:33 ashimema         yeah.. it's a mess ;)
08:33 dcook            (CaOONL)840790694E is what I'm used to for a 035?
08:34 ashimema         kinda why I'd like to make easyAnalytics work with useControl number.. so we can suggest/enforce how they're combined at least from the manual catalogueing stance
08:34 paxed            but it's (host_003) + maybe_spaces + Host_001
08:34 ashimema         cool.. I missed the 'maybe' in the code.. my bad
08:35 paxed            actually, the spec says "System control number of the related record preceded by the MARC code, enclosed in parentheses"
08:35 * dcook          curses Windows
08:35 ashimema         interesting
08:36 ashimema         I'll update the wiki examples then to add in the brackets
08:36 ashimema         hehe
08:36 ashimema         I do like that you also fall back to checking for 003 = 003 match plus 773w = 001 matching
08:36 ashimema         that's nice
08:37 paxed            i'll redo the patch so it doesn't consider UseControlNumber
08:38 ashimema         :)
08:38 ashimema         sorry.. didn't mean to throw a spanner in the works :)
08:38 ashimema         many eyes aye
08:38 paxed            single line change, so *shrug*
08:39 ashimema         :)
08:43 andreashm        never seen a 035 with a space between 003+001. But haven't really paid attention to how it looks at 773w.
08:43 paxed            ashimema: done
08:44 paxed            andreashm: looks like 035 _doesn't_ have spaces, at least according to LoC examples
08:44 paxed            ah
08:44 paxed            "MARC code (enclosed in parentheses) of the organization originating the system control number, followed immediately by the number."
08:44 andreashm        makes sense then
08:44 paxed            note the "immediately"
08:44 paxed            773$w doesn't say immediately
08:44 andreashm        so its only in 773w where it is optinal
08:45 andreashm        optional
08:45 andreashm        good catch
09:05 ashimema         would you rather I signoff on bug 11175 paxed.. or wait for the SO and then QA it?
09:05 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views
09:05 ashimema         if I SO it, cait can QA perhaps.
09:07 paxed            ashimema: you're interested in testing it, seems to me, so SO ;)
09:07 ashimema         :)
09:08 * ashimema       has tested.. looks good :)
09:09 ashimema         ooh..
09:09 ashimema         it already has a signoff line
09:52 paxed            hm. is there a mechanism to invalidate cache (or certain cache keys) when saving a (certain) syspref?
10:02 dcook            Just going to leave this here...
10:02 dcook            https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox/issues/273
10:15 dcook            paxed: I wonder that too. I've had a lot of issues with caching and system preferences and just haven't had time to look into it...
10:17 paxed            i don't think there's any method for it, but it might be nice to have a field in the systempreferences for "cache keys that need to be invalidated when this value is changed", with '*' meaning all
10:18 dcook            Certainly an interesting idea
10:18 dcook            Although on that note, I am going hoooome
10:18 dcook            8:18pm is too late to be at work
10:18 paxed            it's only 13:18 here, so a bit more to go for me
10:18 andreashm        oh, go home dcook!
10:19 andreashm        and do what all responsible people do. eat chips for dinner and start working from home instead. =)
10:19 ashimema         lol]
10:19 dcook            lol
10:19 ashimema         go andreashm
10:19 ashimema         hehe
10:19 paxed            what? no no no, you should code your own fun projects instead...
10:20 dcook            I was thinking I'd grab pizza on the way >_> heh
10:20 ashimema         so.. see you in an hour then dcook ;)
10:20 ashimema         hehe
10:20 dcook            paxed: It's like you're reading my mind
10:20 andreashm        =)
10:20 dcook            I have a little bit of code I want to do for a ESP8266 at home. Shouldn't take long... right?
10:21 dcook            andreashm: I now have a kohadevbox that should work though, so hopefully that should make it easier for me to get stuff done
10:21 dcook            I kept bumping into this issue and now that I've resolved it and know why it seems to be happening... I can move on heh
10:21 andreashm        dcook: great! hope to see bug 10662 moving again! =)
10:21 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
10:21 dcook            Ok actually leaving. Night everyone!
10:21 andreashm        night dcook
10:22 ashimema         night dcook
10:26 calire           g'night
10:46 eythian_         oh, dcook was here.
11:00 * kidclamp       waves
11:09 magnuse          \o/
11:12 paxed            magnuse: i think janPasi has some choice words for you? ;)
11:13 janPasi          magnuse: well... it's about sami bibliography
11:13 magnuse          ok?
11:14 janPasi          magnuse: I got the impression that you guys would like to harvest library of (finnish) lapland's database with OAI/PMH for the Sami bibliography
11:14 janPasi          magnuse: the problem in that being that there are ~1.7 million biblios, of which you want around 70000
11:14 magnuse          uhm, sorry that does not ring a bell for me :-)
11:15 janPasi          magnuse: and OAI doesn't really offer much in the way of selecting what actually gets harvested
11:16 janPasi          magnuse: ok, I sent an e-mail to Asbjörn Risan about this, so we'll see :)
11:17 magnuse          ah, he works at BIBSYS, one of our competitors :-)
11:17 janPasi          magnuse: oh, I see
11:17 ashimema         kidclamp: is this still the most up to date place to look for ES state of affairs and setup instructions? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Elasticsearch
11:17 janPasi          magnuse: I think they are the ones that maintain the Sami bibliography
11:17 kidclamp         it has not been updated (by me) in some time
11:18 magnuse          janPasi: yeah, they handle a lot of the tech stuff for our national library, so i suspect the national library would be the "project owners"
11:18 kidclamp         however it looks fairly reasonable
11:18 kidclamp         if it doesn't work I just crib from kohadevbox to get ES installed and running ashimema
11:19 ashimema         ta
11:19 janPasi          magnuse: you wouldn't happen to know who to contact in the norwegian national library?
11:19 ashimema         hehe
11:19 ashimema         yeah.. that was my backup plan
11:19 ashimema         I'm finally getting around to playing with it to get a demo setup for our company meeting tomorrow
11:20 ashimema         would you recommend me grabbing any in the queue patches to give the best impression?
11:20 ashimema         or that you want SO/QA on whilst I'm working to get a setup running :P
11:22 Joubu            bug 18235
11:22 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18235 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Elastic search - Configurable facets
11:22 ashimema         ta Joubu
11:23 ashimema         once I'm up and running and grab it and take a look
11:26 ashimema         ooh.. I wasn't aware of a koha-nightly deb repo
11:26 ashimema         i kinda thought that that was what unstable on community was
11:32 andreashm        janPasi: can you create a set for the records they would like to harvest?
11:33 andreashm        can't ^^
11:45 oleonard         Hello #koha
11:45 andreashm        hi oleonard
11:48 ashimema         ok.. so
11:48 ashimema         trying to index on elastic I get `[NoNodes] ** No nodes are available: [http://localhost:9200]`
11:48 ashimema         which sounds as simple as elastic isn't running
11:49 Joubu            kidclamp: another follow-up attached to 13618
11:50 ashimema         starting es should be as simple as `sudo service elasticsearch start` right?
11:51 * magnuse        thinks so, yes
11:54 cait             ashimema: noNodes is what i see n my devbox atm too... if you figure that out
11:54 ashimema         oh.. I have the fun of systemd
11:54 ashimema         and
11:54 ashimema         it's also run out of memory too
11:54 cait             and it won't start (stays red dot)
11:54 ashimema         try `sudo journalctl --unit elasticsearch` cait
11:55 ashimema         seems the systemd inits don't report whether a start actually succeeds
11:55 ashimema         so mine wasn't
11:55 ashimema         I had to go digging through logs to figure out it was oom
11:55 janPasi          andreashm: hmm, maybe, I'll look into that
11:56 janPasi          andreashm: that would be a good solution actually :)
11:56 cait             ashimema: have to try on the laptop at home, but will do :)
11:56 ashimema         to be fair to it.. my dev box was only at 1gb ram
11:56 ashimema         I've just quadrupled it
11:56 Joubu            ashimema: update your kohadevbox repo
11:57 ashimema         I'm not using kohadevbox for this yet
11:57 ashimema         it's installed as per an old git dev install ;)
11:57 ashimema         it's what i had lying around ;)
11:59 ashimema         damn elastic is heavy.. it immediately filled all the extra ram I gave it.
11:59 ashimema         lol
12:06 eythian          https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/librarian-detectives-forgotten-books
12:08 Joubu            s/filled/reserved I guess
12:09 ashimema         indeed
12:12 magnuse          "Backslash separated text (.csv)" really?
12:17 andreashm        janPasi: good!
12:20 kidclamp         yeah, ES needs 4gb at minimum I believe
12:33 magnuse          java ftw! ;-)
12:40 fridolin         kidclamp: ah depends on catalog volume
12:40 fridolin         our sandboxes avec 1Go xmx
12:40 fridolin         its a 5000 records
12:40 kidclamp         hmm..in my experience ES will crash with less then 4GB
12:41 kidclamp         what version are you running?
12:41 ashimema         I can't even start ES without 4gb
12:42 ashimema         so perhaps there's some extra config I'm missing.. but for me the default config after running a apt install elasticsearch (with the es 5 apt repos only installed).. i tried just starting it with 1gb and it immediately dies out of memory
12:44 Joubu            `vagrant up` and you have a working ES install... :)
12:44 ashimema         i currently do ;)
12:44 Joubu            ho, I told it already
12:44 ashimema         no need for vagrant for me
12:44 ashimema         ;)
12:52 tcohen           morning
12:53 oleonard         Hi tcohen
12:53 calire           hi tcohen
12:53 calire           and oleonard
13:05 ashimema         hola
13:22 caroline         Good morning!
13:23 oleonard         Hi caroline
13:23 * andreashm      waves
13:23 calire           hi caroline
13:35 Freddy_Enrique   *waves to all :)
13:35 * cait           waves
13:38 * Freddy_Enrique starts the day with some Lindsey Stirling music
13:38 caroline         +1
13:40 mtompset         Greetings, #koha.
13:40 mtompset         Greetings, Margaret
13:41 Margaret         good morning mtompset!
13:42 Freddy_Enrique   Good morning mtompset
13:46 mtompset         Greetings, Freddy_Enrique
13:46 mtompset         I attempt to avoid morning/evening greetings, since you never know what timezone people are in. :)
13:47 mtompset         @seen cait
13:47 huginn           mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 12 minutes and 16 seconds ago: * cait waves
13:49 mtompset         cait, you here?
13:50 mtompset         If anyone is interested... I just moved things around on the KohaCon Hackfest board to reflect our current status. :)
13:50 mtompset         Hopefully that doesn't upset people. :)
13:51 cait             sorry, about to leave!
13:51 cait             which page?
13:51 mtompset         https://trello.com/b/8EZBrFYR/kohacon18-hackfest
13:51 mtompset         That one. :)
13:52 mtompset         There's something almost satisfying about the "Needs Sign Off" column being almost empty. :)
13:53 oleonard         So, only 200 bugs missing from that board.
13:53 mtompset         Oh don't be such a downer, oleonard
13:53 mtompset         Greetings, oleonard.
13:53 mtompset         The fact that they were at Hackfest means we might wish to give them priority when looking at things.
13:54 tuxayo           Greetings mtompset  :)
13:54 mtompset         Greetings and Salutations, tuxayo! :)
14:05 mtompset         Greetings, kohaputti ... why putti?
14:06 cait             bye all
14:06 mtompset         Bye, cait... DOH! too slow because of typos.
14:06 mtompset         Back in a reboot.
14:09 mtompset         Greetings again, #koha. :)
14:15 oleonard         With everything getting an HTML filter in the template now, do we need lines 524-527 of Auth.pm?
14:19 mtompset         ??? I'm not sure I'm looking at the same code you are, oleonard. What is line 524?
14:20 oleonard         #TODO : replace LibraryName syspref with 'system name', and remove this html processing
14:20 mtompset         That's 512.
14:21 mtompset         That's a good question. I guess it would depend on where Library Name is used in the template files, and if it really does push it through a filter.
14:22 oleonard         http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Auth.pm;h=7d330b57bc557c8a68f5b745919c8531a71b01ce;hb=HEAD#l524
14:22 mtompset         DOH! I'm on 18.05
14:23 mtompset         Yep. That was difference. :)
14:25 caroline         anyone who worked on bug 19166 (kidclamp, ashimema, cait), what does "Encumber while invoice open?" mean?
14:25 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19166 new feature, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Add the ability to add adjustments to an invoice
14:25 kidclamp         whether the funds should be counted as 'ordered' before the invoice is closed
14:26 kidclamp         if it is not set, then the adjustment doesn't affect your budget until the invoice is closed
14:26 ashimema         I.e. when does it affect the budget
14:26 caroline         ok thank!
14:26 kidclamp         if set they will be subtrcted from the available funds immediately
14:26 ashimema         'item-level_itypes set but no itemtype set for item'
14:26 caroline         *thanks
14:26 kidclamp         accountants understand, or so I am told
14:26 caroline         The manual readers thank you :)
14:26 ashimema         Anyone able to remind me what goes bad when your seeing that allot
14:27 kidclamp         title level holds
14:27 ashimema         Hehe
14:27 kidclamp         idk what else
14:27 ashimema         Cheers
14:32 oleonard         Anyone around who is familiar with using sip_cli_emulator.pl in kohadevbox?
14:37 caroline         Is there a minimum amount for invoice adjustments? If I add an adjustment of 0.01 then click on update, the amount becomes 0.00
14:38 Joubu            oleonard: these lines assume that the pref LibraryName can contain html tags, and should be interpreted. However LibraryNameTitle should remove the tags (not interprete them nor display them)
14:39 Joubu            oleonard: so yes we need them, and we should not escape LibraryName but use $raw insead
14:40 oleonard         I can't remember why LibraryName was meant to allow HTML...
14:40 * Joubu          re-reads that and does not understand what he wrote...
14:41 Joubu            git log points to commit "rel_3_0 moved to HEAD" erk
14:44 Joubu            paul_p: maybe?
15:12 Freddy_Enrique   mtompset: that trello we app.... really useful :)
15:12 Freddy_Enrique   mtompset++
15:13 Freddy_Enrique   I feel it is better than google keep notes
15:14 * ashimema       likes trello boards too
15:28 * mtompset       doesn't like Trello, but is willing to use it.
15:35 reiveune         bye
15:37 Joubu            good news, it's not trello but taiga :)
15:45 caroline         Fellow ubuntu users, what do you use to borrow ebooks? I tried installing Adobe Digital Editions with Wine, but it keeps crashing and I need to test our ebook lending service integration -_-
15:48 oleonard         Is it a known bug that records without biblio-level item types can't be viewed in the OPAc?
15:48 oleonard         Can't call method "may_article_request" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/opac/opac-detail.pl line 761
15:49 mtompset         Joubu, What's in a name? A Kaban board by any other name would be just as annoying. I don't like it. :P
15:51 * mtompset       apologies to Shakespeare for ruining Romeo & Juliette. :)
15:53 Joubu            oleonard: we are going to assume that item types are correctly defined (bug 21150)
15:53 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21150 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Data inconsistencies - item types
15:53 magnuse          do we have any docs on how to use the new rest api yet? e.g. for third party developers who are not familiar with koha?
15:54 oleonard         Joubu: I have item-level itemtypes enabled
15:55 Joubu            ha!
15:57 Joubu            that's tricky then...
16:00 oleonard         Bug 21475
16:00 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21475 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error in the OPAC when viewing a record which has no biblio-level itemtype
16:23 * magnuse        wanders off into the night
16:28 * LeeJ           waves
16:28 oleonard         Hi LeeJ
16:28 LeeJ             hi everyone
16:28 LeeJ             long time no see
16:30 LeeJ             had the best intentions of being back on here earlier but classes had other plans for me apparently :)
16:31 * LeeJ           dives into the manual's merge requests
16:33 LeeJ             ashimema: around?
16:33 ashimema         Sorta
16:34 ashimema         Just picking up kids from clubs and running around cooking tea.. so on general parental duties
16:34 LeeJ             ashimema: is your Update systempreferences.rst to match changes made by bug 20271 ready to merge to the manual now? I noticed it doesn't have WIP anymore but just wanted to check
16:34 huginn           Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Failed QA , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables with their "alive" cousins
16:34 ashimema         But I can watch this.. just don't expect immediate replies 😉
16:35 ashimema         Oh, not sure how the WIP got lost
16:35 ashimema         Looks like the bug it relates to isn't in master yet (in fact it's failed QA) so not ready I'm afraid
16:35 LeeJ             so that's still WIP? I just re-added the WIP
16:35 ashimema         I was trying to get ahead of the curve on that one.. SE thing with the stock rotation one
16:35 ashimema         Thanks
16:36 * ashimema       realises he never tidied up the two SR merge requests.. not sure how I ended up with two
16:36 ashimema         Been a busy few months..
16:37 LeeJ             ashimema: you said it :P
16:38 LeeJ             ashimema: I'm taking 12 credits on top of working 40 hours a week
16:40 caroline         Hi LeeJ! I missed your entrance :)
16:40 LeeJ             caroline: hello! I missed my #koha family :)
16:40 LeeJ             caroline: merging your 171 now
16:41 caroline         thx! :)
16:41 LeeJ             caroline: merged :)
16:42 caroline         +1!
16:42 caroline         I added tons of topics for today's meeting, sorry! I hope it won't be too long
16:46 mtompset         LeeJ! Greetings. :)
16:46 LeeJ             caroline: I don't mind! I'm glad you took the initiative because I've been a terrible inactive jerk :)
16:46 LeeJ             mtompset: salutations!
16:47 mtompset         LeeJ++ # Correct reply protocol. ;)
16:47 * ashimema       may or may not be at the meeting :(
16:48 Freddy_Enrique   meeting time guys?
16:48 caroline         next meetings?
16:48 caroline         ugh I can never get this right
16:48 Freddy_Enrique   By bad, I thought you were currently in a meeting
16:49 caroline         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
16:49 caroline         No it's later today
16:49 Freddy_Enrique   I meant to ask... what is that SOPAC2?
16:50 Freddy_Enrique   thanks caroline
16:50 caroline         google search says it's "social opac", but I have no idea what it does
16:51 Freddy_Enrique   me too, just saw it in the manual
16:52 caroline         maybe this? https://www.drupal.org/project/sopac
16:53 caroline         updated 2014 :/
16:53 Freddy_Enrique   basically, gives more features to the catalog
16:54 Freddy_Enrique   got it
16:55 caroline         yeah but all those features are already in the opac... maybe it's an older thing
16:55 Freddy_Enrique   I found it in the 17.05... Man, I really need to update asap
16:56 caroline         keep in mind that we only ADD to the manual, we rarely go through and remove out of date things
16:57 Freddy_Enrique   is that a fact for all the manual?
16:57 Freddy_Enrique   manuals*
16:57 caroline         yes, as far as I know
16:57 caroline         well all the koha manuals
16:58 Freddy_Enrique   Ok, before I forget. You mentioned that we have newsletter and tweeter to get informed
16:58 caroline         yes
16:59 Freddy_Enrique   I was searching in tweeter the Koha label. But, I dont get anything
16:59 caroline         search for @kohails
17:00 caroline         The newsletter is here : https://koha-community.org/category/koha-newsletter/
17:01 Freddy_Enrique   thanks a lot! I was able to find the newsletter, but with the tweeter account was a different history
17:01 Freddy_Enrique   caroline++
17:01 caroline         Were you able to find it with that handle?
17:02 caroline         going to lunch bbl
17:03 LeeJ             caroline: okay enjoy :
17:03 LeeJ             :)
17:03 Freddy_Enrique   Bom apettite
17:15 oleonard         Joubu++
17:15 oleonard         Thanks for updating qa tools with filter check
17:17 LeeJ             @later tell kidclamp hey, so is this the file for the 18.11 release? was asking because it's labeled 18.06.. https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/blob/master/release_notes_18_06_00.md
17:17 huginn           LeeJ: The operation succeeded.
17:20 ashimema         18.06 is the codename for in-development version
17:21 kidclamp         yup LeeJ - I wil try to generate recent ones today too
17:24 ashimema         may nab you for some elastic fault finding later if your still about kidclamp
17:24 ashimema         I can't get any results for any searches at the moment :(
17:25 cmo_             hmmm my mysqld died
17:25 cmo_             i wonder why
17:25 tcohen           cmo_: /var/log/mysql.err
17:29 kidclamp         what does the elasticsearch.log give you ashimema? Did you doa reindex with -d? always best to make sure the indexes are cleared and up to date
17:30 cmo_             looking tcohen but not seeing where crash occurred so far
17:30 cmo_             last line from date of crash just shows socket established
17:31 tcohen           tail -n 100 /var/log/mysql.err
17:31 cmo_             hehe
17:31 cmo_             i know how to read log files but ty
17:31 cmo_             just saying 'i wonder' cuz i haven't figured it out
17:31 ashimema         hmm
17:31 tcohen           ah, maybe syslog knows about the problem
17:32 ashimema         .. /var/log/elasticsearch.log shows the re-index stuff.. but doesn't appear to grow when i hit the opac search
17:32 kidclamp         try a search for '*' that shoudl return anything
17:32 kidclamp         then: curl -X GET "localhost:9200/_cat/indices?v"
17:32 kidclamp         that should show if you have docs working
17:32 ashimema         nada
17:33 ashimema         that curl command gives
17:33 ashimema         4 indexes.. 2 for each of my instances..
17:33 ashimema         looks right to me
17:34 kidclamp         how many docs?
17:34 ashimema         docs.count for each looks right too
17:34 ashimema         hmm
17:34 ashimema         certainly looks like Koha's not hitting it
17:34 * ashimema       sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/nJLiNUfrKsDdmUEtgwgnvvTu >
17:35 cmo_             ugh lol my syslog entries go back to the day after the crash
17:35 kidclamp         curl -X GET "localhost:9200/koha_rcs_biblios/_mapping/"
17:35 kidclamp         is there any problem in koha? is searchengine set to elastic?
17:36 cmo_             last time i couldn't understand why my catalog didn't work i just had to reset memcached lol
17:36 cmo_             *restart
17:36 cmo_             maybe will help you..
17:36 kidclamp         add a dumper to dump the query before it gets passed to ES/Catmandu
17:37 * ashimema       moves to PM to stop spamming general too much
17:37 kidclamp         i think it's relevant ashimema
17:37 cmo_             i know i like reading about people's koha problems and learning more
17:37 ashimema         okies.. I'm happy to stay here
17:38 ashimema         just didn't want to swamp out cmo_ as they were also asking questions ;)
17:38 ashimema         '{"koha_rcs_biblios":{"mappings":{"data":{"_all":{"analyzer":"analyser_standard"},"properties":{"es_id":{"type":"long"},"record":{"type":"text","store":true}}}}}}#'
17:38 cmo_             nah i'm just curious about my sqld but it restarted fine
17:38 cmo_             so i'm good
17:41 CrispyBran       oleonard: are you in?
17:41 oleonard         Yes
17:44 CrispyBran       would you mind checking something for me?  We are on 17.11, and i don't have my test system in front of me right now.  We are saving a non-public note in an item record (field x), but when I run a report, it is coming up in the paidfor field.
17:47 ashimema         `SetEnvIf Host "mrdev-elastic\.koha-ptfs\.co\.uk" OVERRIDE_SYSPREF_OPACUserCSS="body { background-color: red; }"` should still work right?
17:48 oleonard         CrispyBran: We haven't run into any problems that I'm aware of with non-public notes
17:51 CrispyBran       Hmmmm
17:55 monica           how to make ISSUEQSLIP print from a reservation until you load the loan, thanks
17:56 caroline         monica: ISSUEQSLIP is not for reservations. Do you mean HOLD_SLIP?
18:14 mtompset         CrispyBran! Greetings. :)
18:14 CrispyBran       hello mtompset
18:42 oleonard         Bye all
18:51 * LeeJ           shakes fist at campus network for going down
18:58 ashimema         Lol
19:02 Joubu            The "(remove)" link on the result page, to remove from cart, remove 2 "things" from the cart
19:02 Joubu            so, add, add => show "2"
19:02 Joubu            add, remove => show "1"
19:02 Joubu            could anyone confirm that please?
19:02 Joubu            I do recreate on 18.05.x as well
19:03 Joubu            only opac
19:06 Joubu            17.11 as well
19:06 Joubu            hum...17.05.x as well, should be on my side, right?
19:08 Joubu            that's super easy to test: launch a search at the opac, click "add to basket" twice, then remove one
19:26 Joubu            I confirmed on sandbox and catalyst demo, nothing in the bug tracker. How did nobody notice that before?!
19:26 caroline         Joubu: I tested in my 18,05.03. When I remove one, there is no more number
19:26 caroline         Is that what's happening for you too?
19:27 Joubu            if you remove one, 2 are removed
19:27 caroline         yes
19:27 rangi            morning
19:27 caroline         very weird
19:27 Joubu            but actually it's worse than that. If you add, add, add, remove, add, then refresh, the selected ones are not the correct ones
19:27 Joubu            the biblionumbers are not concat correctly in the cookie
19:28 caroline         Does it have to do with the cookies?
19:28 Joubu            that's super crazy
19:28 Joubu            I just cannot imagine nobody noticed that before, it impacts all stable releases...
19:28 caroline         My first add still shows "in your cart", but it's not there
19:29 caroline         No my mistake, it's there, but the cart says 0
20:40 caroline         cait did you see LeeJ's email?
21:02 caroline         Who is here for the Docs meeting?
21:02 davidnind        I'm here!
21:02 davidnind        Hi caroline!
21:03 caroline         Hi davidnind!
21:03 caroline         I think it's only the two of us
21:03 Joubu            I am more or less around
21:03 caroline         LeeJ has internet troubles and I pinged cait earlier and she didn't answer
21:03 davidnind        A quick meeting then!
21:03 Joubu            or postpone?
21:03 caroline         Do you think we should postpone and wait for them?
21:04 cait             hi
21:04 caroline         oh hello!
21:04 cait             sorry, i accidentally closed the window... and got lost in my knitting project
21:04 davidnind        Hi cait!
21:04 caroline         Yay for knitting!
21:04 caroline         Ok, well if we're four, it's ok we can start the meeting
21:05 caroline         anybody want to chair as LeeJ is MIA?
21:05 cait             do we have an agenda?
21:05 caroline         yes very big (my fault)
21:05 davidnind        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_2_October_2018
21:05 cait             maybe yo should chair as punishment then :)
21:06 davidnind        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Chairing_meetings
21:06 caroline         :( ok, that means it will just be me typing the whole time :)
21:06 cait             i can do it
21:06 cait             :)
21:06 cait             share the weight
21:06 caroline         Hopefully I don't mess it up like last time
21:06 cait             if you want
21:06 cait             but you will do fine if you do it :)
21:07 caroline         :) thank you!
21:07 davidnind        I can try and chair if you like - will be a bit slow... but it is a good learning experience!
21:07 caroline         #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018
21:07 huginn           Meeting started Tue Oct  2 21:07:27 2018 UTC.  The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:07 huginn           Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:07 huginn           The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2_october_2018'
21:07 caroline         #chair cait
21:07 huginn           Current chairs: cait caroline
21:07 caroline         #chair davidnind
21:07 huginn           Current chairs: cait caroline davidnind
21:07 caroline         mwa hahah!
21:08 caroline         #topic Introductions
21:08 cait             #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
21:08 caroline         (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes)
21:08 caroline         #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
21:08 davidnind        #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
21:09 caroline         Joubu?
21:09 Joubu            #info Jonathan Druart
21:09 caroline         #topic What's been done so far
21:09 caroline         KohaCon18 & hackfest
21:10 caroline         rangi and cait gave a presentation on documenting Koha with a live edit of the manual (!!)
21:10 caroline         #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXn9k4Ir8is&index=24&list=PLV_OXyJ1D3BgcRtxrjVkCBXjSt7Dr1qKy&t=0s
21:10 caroline         cait++ rangi++
21:10 caroline         It generated a lot of interest
21:10 davidnind        rangi++ cait++
21:10 cait             rangi did the demo - he is the brave one
21:10 caroline         I don't know if ppl asked them questions in private afterwards, but I know a couple approached me with questions
21:10 cait             he challenged them to make a edit for a fix of the version number and 2 did
21:11 caroline         Maybe future writers? :D rangi noticed new contributors.
21:11 caroline         during the hackfest, I gave a workshop on editing the manual and there was 8-10 ppl in attendance.
21:11 davidnind        he gave out some chocolate fish as well I think
21:11 davidnind        caroline++
21:11 caroline         That's a NZ thing, it's not as much an incentive for the rest of us ;)
21:11 cait             caroline++
21:12 cait             she was awesome :)
21:12 caroline         The wiki page was really useful
21:12 caroline         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
21:12 caroline         hehe thx :) We all did a great job
21:12 davidnind        I thought it went very well - there was a lot of interest, and I think everyone managed to get something commited
21:13 caroline         Any other comments?
21:13 caroline         moving on
21:13 caroline         #topic Workflows
21:13 caroline         Does anybody have anything to say about this? It's a topic by default so I never know
21:14 cait             i think no changes
21:14 Joubu            (I have to leave sooner than expected, sorry! See you tomorrow)
21:14 cait             so we can probably move on?
21:14 davidnind        Is everyone okay if I add a section on setting up a local copy of Sphinx, so you can generate an updated docs
21:14 caroline         #topic  Next steps
21:14 caroline         davidnind: of course!
21:15 davidnind        wasn't as complicated as I thought
21:15 caroline         I'm eager to see it, I didn't know it was possible
21:15 caroline         So you can see in real time your changes?
21:15 davidnind        yep - doesn't take too long to generate
21:15 caroline         Cool!
21:16 davidnind        was easy to setup on Linux, can do on Windows, but don't have a mac to test
21:16 caroline         Please do! I'm always anxious with the syntax because I don't know how it will turn out
21:16 cait             you have to regenerate
21:16 davidnind        added to my task list!
21:16 cait             but it does work :) and you can have your own epub too
21:16 caroline         like the doctor?
21:16 cait             heh
21:16 cait             i so want to say yes to that
21:16 caroline         :)
21:17 caroline         Alrighty
21:17 caroline         #action davidnind will write a section on setting up a local copy of Sphinx, so you can generate an updated docs
21:17 caroline         #topic Automation of screenshots
21:17 caroline         I noticed a lot of screenshots were out of date in the manual
21:18 caroline         I added a dedicated section in Taiga, but it discouraged me a little bit
21:18 caroline         #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/us/586
21:18 caroline         During hackfest, I spoke with Joubu about his tool to take automatic screenshots. He said no one had really sent him comments, so we weren't sure if it was because there was no interest, or because of another reason (too busy, email got lost in pile of emails, etc.)
21:18 caroline         We discussed of the pros and cons and I wrote them down so we could discuss them here
21:18 caroline         #link https://www.evernote.com/shard/s162/sh/03edec69-1fd2-4f30-b562-f12ffc1f9e0b/b4179d876d0fedaa086a35d116a0f44c
21:18 caroline         PROS
21:18 caroline         1) Screenshots are always up-to-date with the latest version, do it once and they're always there
21:18 caroline         2) Screenshots can be generated in all languages
21:19 caroline         3) Script will test all pages, and regressions will be found
21:19 caroline         CONS
21:19 caroline         1) Harder to add images to the manual, only advanced editors will be able to add them
21:19 caroline         2) Joubu still has to work on it, he stopped because of the lack of comments
21:19 caroline         3) Some images might be hard to generate (50% easy, 30% medium, 20% maybe not attainable)
21:20 caroline         Someone wrote on the wiki "Have been experimenting with Selenium+Robot Framework+Screencapture library - looks promising" I'm guessing that's Joubu
21:20 davidnind        That's me - I have been experimenting with Selenium + Robot Framework + Screencapture library
21:20 caroline         ah ok!
21:20 davidnind        forgot to add my name
21:21 davidnind        also ran out of time to add my notes and add repository
21:21 cait             i am not sure i understand how to do it, but it might be easier than i think
21:21 caroline         So what is the workflow for your thing davidnind?
21:21 davidnind        it took me a while to find something useful and relatively easy
21:22 davidnind        Basically, inc plain language you write a script, something like this:
21:22 davidnind        Valid Login
21:22 davidnind        Open Browser To Login Page
21:22 davidnind        Input Username    koha
21:22 davidnind        Input Password    koha
21:22 davidnind        Capture and crop page screenshot  images/login_page.png
21:22 davidnind        ...    css=#login
21:22 davidnind        Submit Credentials
21:22 davidnind        Projects Page Should Be Open
21:22 davidnind        [Teardown]    Close Browser
21:23 cait             interesting!
21:23 caroline         It looks simple enough
21:23 davidnind        You then run a command from the command line and it folows the steps - can be against any Koha installation (I used the docker testing)
21:23 davidnind        You can take screenshots of parts of pages based on css classes
21:24 caroline         It's very similar to what Joubu showed me. He was working with https://docs.cucumber.io/gherkin/reference/
21:24 davidnind        You can also add data to fields and capture that before it presses submit
21:24 caroline         davidnind: did you think it was very long to write up everything?
21:24 davidnind        Will have a look at that - I think I did come across cucumber, but thought it was a bit complicated - will check it again
21:25 davidnind        I ran out of time before this meeting, but will add wiki page and repository
21:25 caroline         thank you
21:25 davidnind        It may not cover all screenshots, but maybe most (I hope)
21:26 davidnind        Would take a bit of time to setup existing screenshots, but would make it much easy in the future
21:26 caroline         Personnaly, I think this would be very interesting, especially to have up-to-date screenshots and also screenshots in all languages
21:26 * rangi          is just heading out
21:26 rangi            but davidnind http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=blob;f=README.md;hb=2482c4476c54347e652824ad2ec41e3a37b78c0b
21:26 rangi            we used to have instructions
21:26 rangi            this commit killed them
21:27 rangi            http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commit;h=14e3bbb13fbe0c3d6eae8877fcddd9ff75d41f53
21:27 rangi            would be good to get them back :)
21:27 davidnind        Will have a look, thanks rangi!
21:28 davidnind        For languages you could change the Koha install language and then run 'test'
21:28 davidnind        I'm sure there will be some problems...
21:29 davidnind        Anyway will write up and share, and see if it is viable
21:29 cait             oh oops
21:29 cait             about the docs
21:29 caroline         I think it's still worth a try
21:30 cait             can we add bringing back the readme page?
21:30 davidnind        Looked at a lot of other options, but all seemed to require some sort of programming skills
21:30 caroline         cait what do you mean is there no readme anymore?
21:31 davidnind        the current readme is very brief!
21:31 cait             because rangi just said it got killed
21:31 caroline         I'll add it to taiga
21:31 caroline         #action caroline will add bring back the readme page as a task on taiga
21:31 cait             yeah it's gone: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual
21:31 cait             it used to be instructions
21:32 cait             with how to do sphinx, generate locally etc
21:32 caroline         #action davidnind will write up his notes on Selenium+Robot Framework+Screencapture library and share them with the group
21:32 davidnind        the instructions look exactly like what I ended up doing!
21:33 cait             sorry we lost them
21:33 davidnind        the spelling check is useful as well - have to remember to write US english!
21:33 caroline         hehe!
21:34 davidnind        things happen!
21:34 caroline         ready for the next topic?
21:34 davidnind        yep!
21:35 caroline         #topic Organization of images in images.rst
21:35 davidnind        been a bit slack on sending to the list...
21:35 cait             you do so many things
21:35 davidnind        not really!
21:36 davidnind        I procrastinate a lot!
21:36 davidnind        leaning towards the option of organising the index of images using categories by module
21:36 caroline         +1
21:36 davidnind        e.g. cat-0001, circ-0001
21:37 davidnind        and leaving the source images as they are
21:37 davidnind        that way you can hopefully check if there is an image first in that category instead of creating another one
21:37 cait             so not chaging file names/locations, just the numbering?
21:37 cait             ok for me
21:37 caroline         I was thinking 3 capital letters + 3 numbers
21:37 davidnind        there are about 1473 images at the moment
21:38 caroline         phew!
21:38 davidnind        will post to docs list this evening (for me)
21:39 cait             davidnind++
21:39 caroline         ok so we'll discuss this via email and hopefully agree on a method (I hate hate hate merge conflicts because of images!)
21:39 davidnind        as an aside I used the pngcrush tool and it turned images from about  82.3 MB down to 54.6 MB, about a 1/3rd reduction in size
21:39 davidnind        :)
21:39 caroline         davidnind++
21:40 davidnind        caroline++ fixing all the docbugs!
21:41 caroline         #action davidnind will write a proposition to organize images to the docs mailing list and we will discuss by email
21:41 caroline         #topic Description of development process
21:41 caroline         It was mentioned on IRC that the development process/version maintenance was not documented. Someone was specifically asking why version 17.11.09 came out after version 18.05.03, which is a reasonable question, I think.
21:41 caroline         I was wondering if we wanted to document the outline of the development process, or is that too technical?
21:42 caroline         There is also the question of placement. Would that be in the introduction? in the FAQ?
21:42 caroline         I noticed there was a brief outline on the community website
21:42 cait             hm there is information on the wiki
21:42 caroline         https://koha-community.org/about/release-schedule/
21:42 cait             but we might want to have osmething more
21:42 cait             maybe a non-technical descriptoin with links to wiki for more?
21:43 davidnind        Perhaps in an appendix on the development process, with a section in the about section about numbering and the release cycle?
21:43 davidnind        loved the development process talk cait - was a great overview all in one place
21:44 caroline         cait++ both presentations were great!
21:45 caroline         The wiki is so big... trying to find the info in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Development
21:46 caroline         This ? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance
21:46 cait             i think all technical
21:46 cait             but the second shoudl be current at least
21:46 caroline         Yes very.
21:47 cait             we probably need something new
21:48 caroline         Ok, so do we agree to write something very non-technical for end users to understand the development process/cycle?
21:48 cait             +1
21:48 davidnind        makes sense to me!
21:48 caroline         #agreed write something very non-technical for end users to understand the development process/cycle
21:48 caroline         appendix? faq?
21:49 cait             faq still needs a major clean up
21:49 cait             maybe a new section?
21:49 caroline         or in the "about"?
21:49 davidnind        I think as an appendix, but having a brief intro in about Koha section
21:50 caroline         ok so appendix/new section
21:50 caroline         #agreed the development process/cycle will be in an appendix
21:51 caroline         #action caroline will add the development process section to taiga (just to remember to do it)
21:51 caroline         #topic Set time of next meeting
21:52 caroline         Do we want to change the time?
21:52 davidnind        happy for it to be earlier if it suits you all better (https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/)
21:53 caroline         earlier? I though it was like 7am in NZ
21:53 cait             11pm here os not against earlier
21:53 davidnind        nearly 11am (daylight savings time)
21:53 caroline         omg ok, so how about 8 for you?
21:53 cait             we are moving in a few weeks... so might be even later then
21:54 davidnind        what time is it for LeeJ
21:54 caroline         Same as me I think. Right now it's almost 6 pm
21:55 caroline         UTC 19?
21:55 cait             what is now?
21:55 davidnind        nearly UTC 22:00
21:55 caroline         today's meeting was at UTC 21
21:56 caroline         so it would be 2 hours earlier
21:57 caroline         https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2018&month=10&day=2&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=165&p2=22&p3=195
21:57 cait             19 sounds good
21:57 caroline         Is Nov 6 ok?
21:57 cait             yes
21:57 davidnind        is fine with me
21:58 * caroline       mutters don't mess it up... dont mess it up
21:58 caroline         #info Next meeting: 6 November 2018, 19 UTC
21:58 cait             heh
21:58 caroline         #endmeeting
21:58 huginn           Meeting ended Tue Oct  2 21:58:46 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
21:58 huginn           Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_2_october_2018.2018-10-02-21.07.html
21:58 huginn           Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_2_october_2018.2018-10-02-21.07.txt
21:58 huginn           Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_2_october_2018.2018-10-02-21.07.log.html
21:58 cait             thx caroline :) thx all!
21:58 davidnind        caroline++
21:58 cait             caroline++
21:59 caroline         thank you! :D
21:59 davidnind        thanks for chairing caroline!
21:59 cait             back to netflix and knit for me :)
21:59 caroline         +1!
21:59 davidnind        right, better get back to the job that pays me!
22:00 caroline         Rushing to see my kitties at the spca!
22:00 cait             :)
22:01 davidnind        have fun everyone! :)
22:03 caroline         bye!!