Time  Nick        Message
23:24 mtompset    Greetings, wizzycray rangi. :)
22:45 wahanui     hello, wizzycray
22:45 wizzycray   hi
22:23 caroline_   bye everyone!
22:21 huginn`     caroline_: The operation succeeded.
22:21 caroline_   @later tell kellym Check https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual#Normal_-_Adding_screenshots_with_gitlab let me know if you have questions
21:05 andreashm   thanks, you too
21:03 cait1       sleep well!
21:02 * andreashm gotta go to. time for bed
21:02 andreashm   cait1: yes I saw. I'll reply soon!
21:02 rangi       ok, i gotta go, see you all in a few days!
21:01 cait1       andreashm: sent you an email earlier (the only thing i did so far for slides...)
21:01 rangi       it's quite hard to get in NZ though
21:01 rangi       I got a taste for salty licorice from visiting the Netherlands in 1998
21:01 rangi       cool
21:00 andreashm   there are
21:00 andreashm   there's similar here. liquorice ones too.
21:00 rangi       :)
21:00 andreashm   rangi: I had some when I was in the u.s. this summer
20:59 andreashm   cait1: yeah, I can pay extra for one
20:59 rangi       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Fish
20:59 cait1       andreashm: could you add a bag online maybe? probably got to pay extra i guess
20:59 rangi       they have (in america) Swedish Fish
20:59 rangi       :)
20:59 andreashm   rangi: similar to the finish. but more tasty! =)
20:59 cait1       we got a cheaper airline... i am not sure we will get fed without paying, but at least 23 kg
20:59 rangi       hopefully I can rectify that next year ;)
20:58 rangi       i unfortunately don't know much about Swedish candy
20:58 andreashm   cait1: yeah, not great.
20:58 cait1       no check in .... ugh
20:58 rangi       yay!
20:58 andreashm   but I'll make room for something. maybe some salt liquorice for rangi. =)
20:57 andreashm   thank you for that, tendered travel agency
20:56 * andreashm got booked on a ticket without check-in bagage!
20:55 rangi       (not really, but I could :))
20:54 rangi       1 for clothes 1 for candy
20:54 rangi       i get 2 bags at 23kg
20:54 * cait1     hopes she still can pack some clothes
20:50 rangi       cool!
20:50 * andreashm will bring something
20:50 rangi       im hoping someone from finland will bring salmiakki again
20:50 andreashm   nice
20:49 rangi       usually the hackfest
20:49 andreashm   so I heard whispers of an international sweets/snacks-table at the con (or was it the hackfest)?
20:48 cait1       :)
20:48 rangi       heh
20:48 andreashm   cait1: finally it all makes sense. =)
20:47 cait1       yeah, you just get to work at 10 pm... lazy
20:47 cait1       how else i am supposed to get everything done?
20:47 rangi       the timezone diffs make working on it hard
20:47 * cait1     waves
20:47 andreashm   double-cait?
20:47 rangi       sorta :) the one im doing by myself is getting there, but the one cait and I are doing together we probably won't get done until we are there
20:47 * cait1     grumps and hides
20:46 andreashm   and you?
20:46 andreashm   rangi: well, I've started at least. =)
20:43 rangi       andreashm: how's the presentation writing going?
20:33 cait        morning rangi
20:26 andreashm   and caroline_
20:26 andreashm   hi rangi
20:26 caroline_   hi andreashm!
20:26 rangi       hi andreashm
20:26 * andreashm waves
20:18 caroline_   good morning rangi!
20:18 rangi       morning
19:00 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21281 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Label Template - Creation not working
19:00 mtompset    Anyone care to sign off bug 21281?
19:00 caroline_   here indoors 24C, wind chill (aka AC) 16C
19:00 mtompset    I stay indoors. No biggie for me... well, maybe this afternoon when I walk around a parking lot for exercise.
18:59 mtompset    That's much nicer weather, cait.
18:59 caroline_   heat index 34C mtompset I feel for you
18:59 oleonard    Bye #koha
18:59 huginn`     cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Clear :: 69F/21C | Wind Chill: 69F/21C | Wednesday: Mainly clear. Lows overnight in the upper 50s. Wednesday Night: A few passing clouds. Low 57F. Winds light and variable.
18:59 cait        @wunder Konstanz
18:58 huginn`     mtompset: Orangeville, Ontario :: Clear :: 87F/30C | Heat Index: 92F/33C | Wednesday: Partly cloudy. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. High 87F. Winds SW at 10 to 20 mph. Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy this evening with more clouds for overnight. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. Low 61F. Winds WNW at 10 to 15 mph.
18:58 mtompset    @wunder orangeville
18:58 huginn`     mtompset: Brampton, Ontario :: Partly Cloudy :: 86F/30C | Heat Index: 93F/34C | Wednesday: Partly cloudy. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. High near 90F. Winds SW at 10 to 20 mph. Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy skies. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. Low 66F. Winds WNW at 10 to 15 mph.
18:58 mtompset    @wunder brampton
18:58 cait        same, even a bit more in weather report here
18:58 cait        colder than i thought it would be
18:58 caroline_   I saw that it would be around 20-25 next week when I checked
18:58 cait        eeek yah
18:57 caroline_   ooh 10C that's cold!
18:57 huginn`     cait: Portland, OR :: Clear :: 50F/10C | Wednesday: Sunny. High 89F. Winds light and variable. Wednesday Night: A clear sky. Low near 55F. Winds light and variable.
18:57 cait        @wunder portland
18:54 edveal      Yes and now I am getting this:  [FAIL] Error: Indexer already running for kohadev: failed!
18:52 mtompset    so you did a vagrant up and a vagrant ssh... and then you type that command and get command not found?
18:48 edveal      No I am just getting command not found.
18:46 mtompset    Because I found my koha-conf.xml busted when I tried to get my stretch kohadevbox up this morning.
18:46 mtompset    I wonder, edveal, did you see some warnings about _CAPS_THINGS_ when you attempt a reindex?
18:31 edveal      do I run that from in kohadevbox or koha?
18:31 * oleonard  turns off the porch light
18:30 kidclamp    though this trip I am flying
18:30 kidclamp    I will do that when I drive to Portland
18:29 oleonard    kidclamp: When you're driving to Portland can you swing by Ohio and pick me up?
18:28 kidclamp    good point, if ES may just need a full reindex
18:28 cait        but probably what kidclamp said :)
18:28 cait        are you using zebra or elasticserach?
18:27 kidclamp    sudo koha-indexer --start kohadev
18:27 edveal      I have a kohadevbox question, is there anyone that can help me. tcohen, helped me get it set up again but the indexer is not running. I have added things to the catalog but nothing is coming up in search results.
18:14 cait        but better not try
18:13 cait        i mean making him angry
18:09 ashimema    poor joubu
18:06 cait        I am not sur eif htat's really possible
18:05 cait        heh
18:04 caroline_   Joubu = iron fist in a velvet glove?
18:04 * oleonard  nods sagely
18:04 kidclamp    I am not a fool, I don't want an angry Joubu
18:03 oleonard    But not completely unafraid.
18:03 kidclamp    I am much less afraid of Joubu than I used to be
18:02 cait        an dusually reminds me that i talk too much here
18:02 caroline_   kidclamp: hopefully, Joubu is not too tough with disobeying colleagues ;)
18:02 cait        caroline_: irc.koha-community.org hast the links )
18:02 cait        i think he might have to run the script manually? not sure
18:00 cait        thd++
18:00 kidclamp    they do usually go right up, probably it means I didn't obey Joubu's direction caroline_
18:00 * thd       disappears to do errands for his neighbour
17:59 thd         They had some terrible formatting along with many spelling errors but I transformed it for KohaCon20 to be neat and readable.
17:59 caroline_   Is it normal that the minutes from this morning's meeting are not on the wiki yet? Does it take a couple of days to get on there?
17:57 caroline_   right
17:57 thd         We would have needed a current discussion for how to count prioritised votes for more than two choices in the absence of an outright majority.
17:56 thd         Even if the poll had not started but the proposal was still late it would have been too problematic to add.
17:55 caroline_   perfect. I wouldn't have added it to the poll anyways since it has already been going on for several week and ~300 ppl have already answered
17:54 thd         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon20_Proposals
17:54 thd         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon20_Proposals#Proposals_Period
17:54 thd         Yes, International Islamic University, Islamabad, Pakistan.  I corrected and moved the proposal to KohaCon20 Proposals.
17:53 caroline_   +1
17:53 kidclamp    yes caroline_
17:46 thd         kidclamp: Their second contact has a nonworking email address listed.
17:46 caroline_   LeeJ emailed me about the pakistani proposal, is this what you're talking about?
17:45 oleonard    Hi caroline_
17:45 caroline_   Hi everybody!
17:45 kidclamp    sure, send it my way
17:45 thd         kidclamp: I moved the late proposal from KohaCon19 Proposals to KohaCon20 Proposals, however, they are not likely to receive my email because outlook.com is liable to classify messages from my mail server as junk because I do not have the expected anti-spam security configuration for my mail server mx records.  I would like you to forward my message if you would please.
17:38 mtompset    cut and paste and tweaked some lines into my koha-conf.xml to fix it. :)
17:38 mtompset    Has anyone done a vagrant destroy; vagrant up lately? I believe the koha-conf.xml file is not correctly rewritten busting reindexing (if you haven't switched to elasticsearch?) when you reset_all.
17:36 oleonard    Cool.
17:35 kidclamp    yes oleonard and it worked for me now
17:30 Shane-S     tuxayo: ty, I will advise her on that and then maybe I just manually run that script at the end of a school year. We have had a few people leave and come back after a year, but most are within a year that they come back.
17:23 tuxayo      Shane-S  Expire and use in a cronjob `misc/cronjobs/delete_patrons.pl` with the right params to remove the patrons expired since one year for example.
17:23 tuxayo      > I would guess the best method is to expire them instead of delete the patron?
17:21 tuxayo      There is a lot of hope that everything is still there
17:21 tuxayo      But you have to check that the checkout history isn't deleted on cascade...
17:20 tuxayo      This table should still have everything.
17:20 tuxayo      Shane-S: The deletedborrowers http://schema.koha-community.org/17_11/tables/deletedborrowers.html
17:17 Shane-S     I would guess the best method is to expire them instead of delete the patron?
17:14 Shane-S     is there a way to restore deleted patrons or even see a listing of removed patrons? My librarian likes to remove people immediately...but a couple came back...would like to keep their checkout history if possible vs making a new patron
16:25 mtompset    The whole zebra reset_all stuff is noisy busted in the kohadevbox. :(
16:25 huginn`     mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 days, 0 hours, 59 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <tcohen> tuxayo: I think so
16:25 mtompset    @seen tcohen
16:17 huginn`     Bug 20217: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Make header's catalog search menu into a split button
16:17 oleonard    kidclamp: Did this comment? https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20217#c16
15:52 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Needs Signoff , Provide the ability for users to filter ILL requests
15:52 andrew_     oleonard:  I've now rebased Bug 20600, so it will hopefully apply now!
15:43 huginn`     Bug 16219: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Runreport.pl should allow sql paramters to be passed on the command line.
15:43 kidclamp    https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16219
15:09 ashimema    nice
15:09 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Format long lists under Koha Team tab as columns
15:08 oleonard    Speaking of the About page: Bug 21317
14:26 andrew_     Roger, thanks
14:25 ashimema    yup
14:25 ashimema    yuo
14:23 andrew_     So if I'm rebasing, should I just skip the conflicting patch for staff-global.css and copy the changes into staff-global.scss?
14:22 ashimema    it's pretty manual though andrew_ .. as the css is no minified git really won't help you much
14:22 ashimema    :)
14:21 oleonard    Sounds right to me ashimema
14:20 ashimema    but.. I'm awaiting feedback on that aproach from oleonard ;)
14:20 * ashimema  has been extracting css changes, converting them to scss and adding them into the .scss file
14:20 oleonard    Make changes to staff-global.scss only. RM will commit compiled staff-global.css
14:19 andrew_     What's the procedure now for rebasing on top of the new staff-global.css?
14:16 andrew_     oleonard:  Ah, I'm not surprised, it was a while ago. I'll do that now, thanks for highlighting that :)
14:15 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Provide the ability for users to filter ILL requests
14:15 oleonard    andrew_: Unfortunately Bug 20600 needs a rebase
14:08 andrew_     oleonard:  I'm wondering if it's something to do with the way the KohaTable object is being instantiated that's different to all the other occurrences
14:07 andrew_     oleonard:  It looks like it was implemented that way, rather than being changed as a fix
14:05 andrew_     oleonard:  This is the only example I could find https://github.com/PTFS-Europe/koha/blob/ver17_11_08/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/circ/view_holdsqueue.tt#L27
14:01 oleonard    I've never seen this problem before. Have you seen a place in existing 17.11.x code which requires this fix?
14:01 andrew_     oleonard:  I'm very confused, if you can't already tell
14:00 andrew_     oleonard:  And when it's backported to 17.11, the api() requirement still exists maybe?
13:59 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Provide the ability for users to filter ILL requests
13:59 andrew_     oleonard:  I'm just looking at the versions in use where I'm seeing problems and it's 17.11.08.000, so I'm wondering if I've got it the wrong way round. The requirement for .api() is a legacy thing that I didn't encounter when I developed for Bug 20600 on master
13:58 andrew_     oleonard:  Oh, actually...
13:58 andrew_     oleonard:  https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=77697&action=diff
13:57 andrew_     oleonard:  This patch, which was done by you coincidentally. Every instance of "table." needs replacing with "table.api()."
13:56 oleonard    andrew_: Do you have an example in existing code?
13:54 huginn`     Bug 19417: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Failed QA , Improve display of errors from background job during stage for import
13:54 kidclamp    mtompset: this patch can help you see what the error is too: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19417
13:54 andrew_     oleonard: I'm just trying to get my head around when it changed and how#
13:53 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Provide the ability for users to filter ILL requests
13:53 andrew_     oleonard: I've been seeing it with ILL, I've been addressing some problems for customers. It's specifically being used in bug 20600, when I developed that it all worked fine, but I'm now seeing it breaking and me having to start using table.api().whatever
13:52 kidclamp    mtompset:  that line means the file is excluded from plack - so any errors should be in the intranet-error.log
13:51 oleonard    andrew_: Where are you seeing the problem?
13:51 oleonard    No problem. I had to have a stern talk with jenkins too.
13:51 andrew_     oleonard: Apologies for gatecrashing the meeting, I knew it was on, brain fade!
13:50 andrew_     oleonard: Yep, one moment...
13:50 oleonard    andrew_: Still around?
13:49 huginn`     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20300 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Import authorities data fail in module Stage MARC record for import
13:49 mtompset    Is anyone familiar with bug 20300?
13:49 mtompset    And now that the meeting is over...
13:49 ashimema    kidclamp++
13:49 oleonard    kidclamp++
13:48 calire      kidclamp++
13:48 kidclamp    Thanks all!
13:48 huginn`     Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_5_september_2018.2018-09-05-13.01.log.html
13:48 huginn`     Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_5_september_2018.2018-09-05-13.01.txt
13:48 huginn`     Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_5_september_2018.2018-09-05-13.01.html
13:48 huginn`     Meeting ended Wed Sep  5 13:48:21 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
13:48 kidclamp    #endmeeting
13:48 cait        kidclamp++
13:48 kidclamp    #info Next meeting: 3 October 2018, 20 UTC
13:47 cait        we had discussed several dates yesterday
13:47 cait        it's 2 October 2018, 21:00 UTC - all good
13:47 kidclamp    i don't see it on calendar (yet anyways)
13:47 cait        sec
13:46 cait        hm maybe check if the docs meeting is there
13:46 kidclamp    October 3rd, 20 UTC?
13:46 kidclamp    #topic Next meeting
13:46 kidclamp    Anyone else have topics before we set next meeting?
13:46 cait        all from me now thx!
13:45 kidclamp    #action thd will contact International Islamic University  about moving their kohacon bid to 2020 as it was submitted after voting phase began
13:45 cait        thd++
13:45 thd         Yes
13:45 cait        then i won't touch it
13:45 ashimema    thanks
13:45 cait        thd will you undo the changes to 19 when done?
13:44 ashimema    yeah.. go for the thd
13:44 cait        thx thd
13:44 ashimema    'Islamic University Islamabad Pakistan'
13:44 kidclamp    thanks thd
13:44 thd         I can create a new wiki page for 2020 and ask them to contribute their.
13:44 ashimema    ah yes.. it's merged into the heading
13:44 cait        addresses
13:44 cait        there is email addresse
13:44 ashimema    not even sure I can actually work out who they are
13:43 cait        i can undo the wiki change i think
13:43 mtompset    We were already in voting phase... restore old page, put them up on KohaCon2020 page, and then ask them if they are willing to do it for 2020.
13:43 cait        i really have my hands full, would someone be willing to send an email maybe?
13:43 cait        yeah it looks like they accidentally added to the header row
13:42 marcelr     restore older one?
13:42 marcelr     yeah
13:42 ashimema    that page looks messed up to me now
13:42 ashimema    ooh
13:42 cait        how should we handle it? undo and move to a new page? but can't assume they want to bid for 2020 too
13:42 cait        it's too late as we already are in voting phase
13:42 cait        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon19_Proposals
13:42 cait        I just noticed that we had another bid added for KohaCon19
13:41 cait        thx
13:41 kidclamp    move on cait ;-)
13:41 kidclamp    #info Agreed to add BULAC to special thanks and begin adding entities that sponsor devs to teh 'Contributing' section
13:40 cait        for kohacon
13:40 cait        could be a good academy task too
13:40 kidclamp    Whose job to add to Contributing? RM? We can figure that later, or just allow those who care to do so
13:40 cait        moving on? i got something about kohacon
13:40 * cait      dreams of empty queues sometimes
13:39 cait        so ewe can move on with that bug, all I want :D
13:39 cait        ok
13:39 ashimema    yup.. throw them in
13:39 cait        ok, so special thank for bulac and add sponsored by at least to contributing?
13:39 mtompset    Then, why are we even discussing this? It should be a +1 obviously.
13:39 kidclamp    they did extensive testing are using in production and sponsored biblibre mtompset
13:39 cait        financial side i can't tell
13:39 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #54: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/54/
13:39 cait        they've tested a lot and are users... so no objection from me
13:38 ashimema    +1
13:38 mtompset    If so, yes.
13:38 calire      +1
13:38 kidclamp    :-b
13:38 thd         +1
13:38 mtompset    pushed for it, that is.
13:38 marcelr     its just 20 mins kidclamp
13:38 mtompset    Were they the ones that pushed it?
13:38 kidclamp    but I don't want to have this conversation every time we want to add someone :-)
13:38 marcelr     no objection to thank somebody
13:37 cait        updates for the about page
13:37 kidclamp    +1
13:37 cait        are we ok with adding BULAC at least? to special thanks for elastic etc
13:37 mtompset    on what exactly again?
13:37 marcelr     :)
13:37 cait        so do we have a decision?
13:36 mtompset    Does that make you feel old now, ashimema? ;)
13:36 huginn`     Current chairs: cait kidclamp
13:36 kidclamp    #chair cait
13:36 cait        ashimema: ... right. looking at 17.11 *hides*
13:36 cait        i think just the name still, we are not good with updating stuff
13:36 ashimema    April 16th 2018 is the last entry I see in the timeline
13:36 cait        relaly hard to keep updated
13:36 cait        oftn it might be a bug fix that is sponsored
13:35 ashimema    huh
13:35 cait        you are welcome?
13:35 cait        lol
13:35 cait        oh
13:35 cait        ?
13:35 cait        the last entry in timeline is dec 2017... it needs more work
13:35 kidclamp    "Kidclamp thanks cait for touring german castle"
13:34 ashimema    blimey
13:34 ashimema    wow.. there's been 200 new devs since I joined the effort
13:34 kidclamp    would allow for low level thanks
13:34 kidclamp    so wiki would be more of a fun page
13:34 thd         Sponsorship could also be added to attribution comments in file headers, although, the audience who would see those is small.
13:34 kidclamp    Sure, I don't like the idea of having to judge who gets what special thanks
13:34 cait        it's nto a good place, because of dates and all
13:33 ashimema    I'd prefer to see what feature was sponsored in the timeline myself.. rather than 'first feature'.. anywho.. that's just another piece of fun to add
13:33 cait        i think keep it out of timeline
13:33 mtompset    But we could have another sponsored-by timeline?
13:32 mtompset    kidclamp, the problem with the wiki idea is that it is open to more abuse. There are parties which may add themselves for every single bug patch they submit.
13:32 cait        so we can ignore that
13:32 cait        i think the sponsoring int he timeline is not happening anyway
13:32 ashimema    indeed
13:32 kidclamp    the overhead cost is low for adding
13:31 cait        i like that the abotu page gets qa
13:31 cait        not for the wiki idea either
13:31 kidclamp    devs get in for any patch, any sponsorship can go in
13:31 mtompset    oleonard, true. Though, counting the number of sponsored-by bugs for a given sponsor doesn't require judgments.
13:31 kidclamp    would it not just be the first?
13:30 oleonard    I think "sponsored by" in the timeline doesn't make sense now that we're putting "sponsored by" in bugzilla -- we get into judgement about what is a big enough sponsorship to put in the timeline
13:30 * ashimema  wonders how the 'Translations' tab is kept up to date whilst we're talking this stuff
13:30 mtompset    Sorry for not being clear. :)
13:29 * ashimema  has caught up
13:29 ashimema    oh.. did you mean the wiki link?
13:29 mtompset    the wiki idea, that is.
13:29 ashimema    why so mtompset?
13:29 mtompset    -- Hmmm.... I'm not really for that.
13:29 kidclamp    I like adding sponsored by tot he timeline, someone will need to script or be patient to make it retroactive
13:28 ashimema    what about sponsored features in the timeline.. should that be covered in such a decision?
13:28 kidclamp    maybe link to a wiki page "Special thanks" and anyone who wants can go crazy there
13:28 cait        i think if someone wants to have what they sponsored it's ok, but often it would be too hard to track
13:28 mtompset    Yes, probably is too hard.
13:28 cait        too hard
13:27 cait        leave companies at the bottom
13:27 mtompset    Perhaps monetary/hardware vs. software changes?
13:27 cait        add libraries from contributing to top
13:27 cait        add sponsored-by libraries to the top from release notes
13:27 cait        ok so we have
13:26 ashimema    Yeah.. that could work for me
13:26 cait        most of the contributing are companies
13:26 ashimema    indeed
13:26 cait        and leave the companies below
13:26 cait        move the libraries up
13:26 ashimema    just seems odd the ones that are in there.. the OPAC star ratings sponsorship one for example.. that seems a relatively small contribution to warrant an up the top mention.. maybe I'm just being a bit harsh
13:26 cait        i think i see a schema
13:26 cait        hm oh
13:26 cait        maybe we just move up the instiuttions and merge?
13:26 oleonard    Yeah, and brings ongoing maintenance of a different kind
13:26 cait        it's a bit of a possible mine field
13:25 cait        hard to measure that something
13:25 ashimema    I dunno.. I'd say 'Special' has a place for regularly sponsors/contributors over a certain level or something?
13:25 thd         I prefer something like "initial work sponsored by".
13:25 andrew_     Doh, of course, sorry
13:24 oleonard    andrew_: IRC meeting now
13:24 oleonard    Maybe we should have only HLT under special and move other orgs under "Contributing companies"
13:24 andrew_     Hey all. Can anyone explain why calls to KohaTable that previously worked, now need a .api() call preceding them? For example, something like: var table = KohaTable('#selector', {...}; table.search('').....   would have worked fine, but now it needs .api() between table & search, i.e. table.api().search('').... I've tried to track back the relevant change, but failed :(
13:23 cait        i thnk without the early adopters we wouldn't be here now
13:23 thd         What counts as "special" and why do we need a distinction between "special" and "additional"?
13:23 ashimema    it would be nice to have it in there though cait :)
13:23 cait        hlt? sure
13:23 ashimema    not sure I like the 'Special thanks' section to be honest... are those contributor still more special than any other contributors?
13:23 cait        ashimema: i don't think it did - only for big stuff at the beginning, but not continuiously (timeline)
13:22 oleonard    I wonder though what to do with "special thanks" and "additional thanks"
13:22 cait        +1
13:22 ashimema    would be nice to get that up to date with appropriate features and their sponsorship in my opinion.
13:22 oleonard    I think using "sponsored by" in the future to add to "Contributing companies and institutions" is a good idea
13:21 ashimema    not seeing any mentions since 2009 though
13:21 ashimema    sponsored by used to go into the timeline..
13:21 tuxayo      New tab?
13:20 ashimema    totally agree we should add them
13:20 cait        recognition is about the only thing the community can offer
13:20 cait        maybe a little messy, but i think important
13:20 cait        one ideas was to add all the libraries from the release notes that used the sponsored-by line
13:19 ashimema    been ages since I've properly looked at it.
13:19 ashimema    that page is a bit of a mess..
13:19 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #56: FIXED in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/56/
13:19 jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
13:19 cait        so the question was mostly about how we want to handle instiutions and where they shoudl go
13:19 cait        then the release teams, the devs, then contributing companies and institutions and additional thanks
13:18 cait        we've got a special thanks at the very top
13:18 cait        we add new devs, but not libraries
13:18 cait        at themoment we have different sections on the page
13:18 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #56: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/56/
13:18 cait        there was a request from bulac to be added to the about page that led to some dicussion
13:17 cait        that was me
13:17 kidclamp    #topic Updates for the About page
13:17 kidclamp    moving on :-)
13:16 ashimema    lead by example aye :S
13:16 ashimema    I knew what I was getting into when I started QAin'g them ;)
13:15 kidclamp    poor ashimema has to deal with all the rebases for backports :-)
13:15 oleonard    Idea: new Koha Academy, 100% rebasing.
13:15 ashimema    poor oleonard.. but you'd prefer it this way than the other ;)
13:15 kidclamp    #info Stable branches are good, master is coming along, please see majors and prepare patches before kohacon
13:15 * calire    prepares for sign-offs
13:14 oleonard    Oh my god the rebases.
13:14 kidclamp    thanks to all, I am excited for this release :-)
13:14 ashimema    (and bag)
13:14 cait        yes, rebase, update test plans, etc.
13:14 kidclamp    the SCSS and XSS patches mean many rebases and we are slowly cleaning up issues caused by those
13:14 ashimema    SR is moving forward nicely now.. thanks tcohen
13:14 kidclamp    yes, everyone should get things setup for fast movement at kohacon
13:13 * ashimema  is also happy he didn't fall off his bike (into a canal or otherwise) whilst irc'ing on his bike.
13:13 kidclamp    pushing ES work along, would still like to see Mana and Stock Rotation move forward
13:13 cait        my theory is that it will fill quickly at the hackfet, recommend the qa team to clean up too :)
13:13 kidclamp    there are several majors /critical/blockers that could use attention
13:13 ashimema    lol
13:13 kidclamp    I am getting the queue as clean as possible before Kohacon
13:12 ashimema    that's it from me
13:12 * oleonard  thanks ashimema for not dying in a terrible IRC-related road accident
13:12 cait        #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
13:12 kidclamp    ashimema++
13:11 * ashimema  thanks kidclamp for covering the final release bits in his absence last week
13:11 ashimema    all good here.. just catching up after a weeks leave.
13:11 mtompset    #info Mark Tompsett
13:10 wahanui     somebody said ashimema was RMaint for 18.05 ?
13:10 kidclamp    ashimema?
13:10 kidclamp    Frido said all things are happy for him
13:10 kidclamp    #topic Update on releases
13:09 ashimema    phew
13:09 kidclamp    :-)
13:09 kidclamp    no ashimema , just distracted
13:09 kidclamp    #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon18/Social kohacon social info
13:09 marcelr     #info Marcel de Rooy
13:09 * ashimema  wonders if his irc connection has gone bad again
13:08 ashimema    :(
13:07 oleonard    \o\ \o/ /o/
13:06 calire      \o/
13:06 kidclamp    anyone else :-)
13:06 kidclamp    KohaCon! It is soon! Huzzah!
13:05 kidclamp    #topic Announcements
13:05 kidclamp    #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_5_September_2018 Agenda
13:04 ashimema    #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
13:04 oleonard    #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
13:03 thd         #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
13:03 calire      #info Claire Gravely, BSZ
13:02 cc_         #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe
13:02 kidclamp    #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
13:01 kidclamp    #topic Introductions
13:01 huginn`     The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_5_september_2018'
13:01 huginn`     Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:01 huginn`     Meeting started Wed Sep  5 13:01:40 2018 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:01 kidclamp    #startmeeting General IRC meeting 5 September 2018
13:01 kidclamp    meeting time!
12:58 ashimema    lol
12:50 oleonard    Oh good you can catch me up on Star Trek Discovery
12:49 fridolin    I have trained my english with Netflix, I'm ready guys ;)
12:48 fridolin    XD i bring my brown hat indeed
12:48 * oleonard  imagines fridolin polishing his stainless steel shock-proof hat box
12:45 fridolin    nothing special concerning RMaint :D
12:45 fridolin    kidclamp: hi, I'm preparing my trip so I will not be at meeting today.
12:44 magnuse     tee hee
12:36 oleonard    In the Hackfest description it says "There will be plenty of breaks for coffee, snacks and mingling" and I read it at first as "coffee, snacks and snuggling." I may be getting a little TOO excited for KohaCon.
12:28 oleonard    I had a dream last night that I got to Portland and rangi reminded me that I'd signed up to do a presentation
12:28 wahanui     hi oleopard
12:28 kidclamp    hi oleonard
12:25 wahanui     hi oleopard
12:25 marcelr     hi oleonard
12:25 oleonard    Hi marcelr and kidclamp
12:19 marcelr     o/
12:19 kidclamp    hi marcelr
12:17 marcelr     hi #koha
11:33 wahanui     :)
11:33 eythian     wahanui: good bot
11:30 wahanui     hi oleopard
11:30 calire      hi oleonard
11:29 oleonard    Hi all
10:43 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #53: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/53/
10:39 Evidox      I also tried using a live CD but it didn't work
10:39 Evidox      i couldnt do the dump as the hard disk had crashed and therefore not bootable
10:33 eythian     (unless things have changed since I last looked at it.)
10:33 eythian     Evidox: if you have a database dump, you shouldn't need to run the web installer.
10:28 Evidox      DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Table 'koha_library.search_field' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Objects.pm line 110.
10:26 Evidox      I was able to recover it but while running Web installer. It returned an error like this:
10:26 Evidox      My client's hard disk crashed and they had  never made backups, therefore there is no database dump available. My option was to copy from MySQL files of the crashed disk and paste in the new one.
10:24 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #55: UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/55/
10:24 Evidox      I have a problem with koha database recovery.
10:23 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #55: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/55/
08:53 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #52: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/52/
08:38 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #54: SUCCESS in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/54/
08:36 jenkins     Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #54: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/54/
07:57 paxed       cait: basically, i changed the pending orders table to work like the member search - show nothing, until you search, do the search on server side
07:57 cait        meeting - bbl
07:56 andreashm   possibly.
07:51 cait        maybe file it under rest api - could be adate inclusive/exclusive thing somewhere
07:49 andreashm   (this is a very minor issue, but still)
07:48 andreashm   place, not plöace
07:48 andreashm   wondering if this is a bug, or done on purpose? or if we missed something. =)
07:48 andreashm   it's possible to plöace a hold with expirydate = the same date the hold is placed from the staff interface, but not through the api.
07:47 andreashm   cait: prefs seem ok
07:43 cait        there is the pref and the category type setting
07:42 cait        andreashm: not aware, sorry. could it be your configuration for expired patrons changed?
07:40 * andreashm digs into Bugzilla
07:37 andreashm   any changes to the api (hold endpoint), or place reserves?
07:36 andreashm   using the rest endpoint, with 16.05 it was ok to place a hold where the patrons expiry was the same date, now with 17.11 it doesn't work.
07:36 andreashm   anyone know if the code for placing a hold where a patrons expirydate is today, has changed recently? (we noticed a change upgrading to 17.11)
07:30 cait        lately they target tickets with print/printer and leave spammy comments with bad links
07:30 * cait      grumps about bugzilla spammers
07:27 andreashm   and hi #koha
07:26 andreashm   hi cait
07:25 cait        morning all
07:25 cait        paxed: understandable
07:23 * andreashm waves
07:17 Evidox      Hello, I havev an issue with recovering koha database from mysql folder as my client's server hard disk crashed. They had not made any backups since the use of Koha ILS. So my option was to recover database from MySQL database files (copy from old to new installation). But the problem i am having is that on loading the staff client interface, the web installation restarts and after selecting defaults, i get a Software Error like this:  DBIx::Class::Storage::
07:13 paxed       cait: looks like our main acq person wants my improvements asap
06:55 alex_a      bonjour
06:32 calire      hey magnuse
06:31 magnuse     \o/
06:18 ashimema    anyone know if there live streaming planned for kohacon?
06:11 * ashimema  wonders why we don't just use camel_case names for images in the manual.. there's no need for a complicated numerical categorisation scheme..
06:06 calire      hi fridolin
06:06 fridolin    hi there
06:05 paxed       well, that seems to work. just need some polish, and actual user testing.
06:04 ashimema    oops
06:04 ashimema    ooh.. I forgot about the documentation meeting..
06:04 calire      hi ashimema
06:04 ashimema    Mornin' #koha
05:46 cait        nice
05:45 paxed       cait: i'm working on making the acq parcel.pl page load the pending table dynamically on search
05:32 calire      hi #koha
04:15 huginn`     paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Overcast :: 57F/14C | Wednesday: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. High 64F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 60%. Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy this evening followed by increasing clouds with showers developing after midnight. Low 53F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 40%.
04:15 paxed       @wunder joensuu