Time Nick Message 06:23 * magnuse waves 06:23 magnuse yay, lots of irmas! :-) 06:25 saa many times our koha screen throws error "an error has occurred! Error 500" 06:25 saa after checking intranet log it says End of script output before header 06:25 saa what could be wrong and how to sort it out 06:33 reiveune hello 06:35 saa many times our koha screen throws error "an error has occurred! Error 500" [11:54] <saa> after checking intranet log it says End of script output before header 06:42 alex_a bonjour 06:45 matts hello 06:45 wahanui privet, matts 06:53 tuxayo hi #koha o/ 06:54 tuxayo saa: some guess: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22307610/end-of-script-output-before-headers-error-in-apache#34255804 07:36 * ashimema is on community catch up today.. 18.05.x patching inbound ;) 07:38 magnuse ashimema++ 09:28 mtj saa: what url generates the 500 error? what koha verson? 10:57 * andreashm waves 11:40 saa <tuxayo> saa: some guess: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22307610/end-of-script-output-before-headers-error-in-apache#34255804 11:40 saa are u thr 11:40 saa i need to know how to sort out in koha 11:40 saa where should i give permissions 11:44 oleonard Hi #koha 11:46 Joubu hi #koha 11:46 Joubu saa: something in the logs? 11:46 cait hi #koha 11:46 * andreashm waves 11:47 saa i am getting error 500 and i wish to know where should i change permissions as chmod 755 11:53 oleonard saa: Perhaps if you paste the last few lines of the error log to http://paste.koha-community.org it will be more clear what the problem is. 11:54 Joubu if you get a 500 there is a more explicit message somewhere in your Koha log files 12:03 saa i have pasted intranet log 12:05 saa actually error is "error has ocurred error 500! this message may have been caused by any of the following reasons: !You made use of an external link to an item that is no longer available. You followed an outdated link. from a search engine or bookmark. You tried to access a page that needs authentication. 12:05 oleonard saa: You have to choose #koha as the channel on the paste page so that we all get a link to it. 12:05 saa An internal link in the client is broken and the page does not exist. 12:05 saa ok 12:07 pastebot "saa" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error has occured Error 500" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/44 12:07 saa i have pasted intranet log 12:08 oleonard saa: Is this a new installation? Or did you just upgrade? 12:08 saa since it was throwing this error on 16.11 we just upgraded to 17.11 but still same error is coming 12:10 Joubu how often do you get it? 12:12 saa earlier it was very often hence we thought we would upgrade and see 12:13 saa but if u see todays log it is thre after 10 min 12:17 Joubu saa: which log file is that? 12:18 saa intranet-error.log 12:19 Joubu try to compare these entries with the access logs 12:19 Joubu in the access logs you should have the parameters passed to the script 12:20 Joubu search for a hit to circulation.pl at 17:03:02, patronimage.pl at 17:05:03 then ysearch.pl at 17:18:02 12:21 Joubu and see if it's the same parameters passed (I am expecting a borrowernumber here) 12:29 saa let me check and comeback 12:30 saa is this anything to do with non exisiting borrowers 12:40 oleonard Is this a known error when editing patrons? "No property select_city for Koha::Patron at /usr/share/perl5/Exception/Class/Base.pm line 73" 12:41 Joubu oleonard: nope 12:42 Joubu Are you on master? I do not recreate it 12:43 Joubu well, I do not have cities defined 12:44 Joubu oleonard: now I get it. Could you report and assign it to me? 12:44 oleonard Yes 12:52 oleonard Bug 21136 12:52 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21136 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , Error "No property select_city for Koha::Patron" when saving patron record 13:00 Joubu thanks oleonard 13:25 cait oleonard: can you sign off? 13:25 cait i can do qa in a bit 13:34 oleonard cait: Done. 13:35 cait thx! 13:35 Joubu oleonard, cait: I have submitted a patch on bug 21137. It is what I had in mind on bug 19291 13:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Replace BORROWER_INFO and USER_INFO with logged_in_user 13:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19291 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Make breadcrumbs for OPAC search history consistent with other patron account pages 13:43 oleonard Joubu: I started working on that too, and was planning to put 'othernames' into patron-title.inc. Do you think we shouldn't? 13:46 Joubu oleonard: yes maybe 13:47 Joubu it's not displayed much at the OPAC 13:53 oleonard yeah I'm not sure if some libraries use it in a way that it's for staff eyes only. 13:54 oleonard I guess it's easier to leave it out and wait for someone to complain (which they haven't done yet) 13:55 tcohen alex_a: around? 13:55 tcohen there's a problem in ES5.6 (current 5.x stable) regarding booleans, have you noticed it? 13:56 tcohen it seems to be a catmandu issue, not properly translating 0/1 into valid JSON boolean 14:04 cait oleonard: i think we use it for father#s name (russian) in some libraries 14:05 caroline Would it be overkill do you think to add a note next to system preferences that require a cron? Like AutoResumeSuspendedHolds, we could write something like "Note: This requires the auto_unsuspend_hold.pl cronjob. Ask your system administrator to add it." 14:05 cait caroline: i thnk we have it for some, i don#t think it would be overkill 14:05 cait helpful 14:06 caroline I could maybe make a list of all the sysprefs based on the cronjobs in the manual 14:07 caroline And I'll add it to bugzilla (unfortunately, I don't know how to add those descriptions, otherwise, I would do it myself...) 14:07 cait the descriptions are int he .pref files 14:08 cait not too hard, if you want to give it a go 14:08 caroline I would have to commit and everything? >_< Maybe I'll try that on Friday 14:08 cait :) 14:09 cait i have some appointments friday, so migtht not be here, but always happy to help if you get stuck 14:09 caroline btw, Eric asked me to check how much it would cost to fly to Portland! :D 14:09 cait yay! 14:12 caroline What would be the verb to go with a cron job? In the sentence "Ask your system administrator to..." run it? add it? add it to you crontab? 14:12 caroline schedule it? 14:12 Joubu tell him your presence is inestimable for the community 14:14 oleonard caroline: Tell him you won't be accepted into the inner circle until you can appear in person for the hazing process. 14:14 Joubu caroline: usually the crontab already contain the list of all the cronjobs, but commented. So maybe the sys admin will jus need to uncomment it (?) 14:15 cait schedule might be good 14:15 Joubu yep, or set it up 14:15 cait uncommenting is kind of scheduling... i guess? 14:16 Joubu oleonard: what is the hazing processing this year? You are in charge of it, right? 14:16 Joubu patch the oldest opened bug? 14:16 caroline oleonard: ooh! I didn't know I was up for the inner circle ;) 14:17 oleonard Joubu I'm having a hard time getting enough black robes 14:17 caroline Joubu: eesh, I might not be able to do that though! 14:18 cait caroline: you are definitely up :D 14:18 cait oleonard: what about the candles and stuff? 14:19 caroline The oldest opened bug is bug 569 ^ 14:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option 14:19 cait maybe we shoudl switch to black superlibrarian capes :) 14:19 oleonard cait: I got a great deal on candles from this place that handles surplus wedding supplies. 14:19 cait lol 14:20 cait oleonard++ 14:21 cait hm general meeting tonight 14:23 oleonard We should have taken more pictures at the last ceremony: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15331333447778 14:24 cait lol 14:28 cait @wunder Konstanz 14:28 huginn cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Partly Cloudy :: 95F/35C | Wind Chill: 95F/35C | Heat Index: 95F/35C | Wednesday: Scattered thunderstorms possible. Lows overnight in the mid 60s. Wednesday Night: Scattered showers and thunderstorms. Low 66F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%. 14:28 * cait is dying 14:28 Joubu @wunder Buenos Aires 14:29 huginn Joubu: Buenos Aires, Argentina :: Partly Cloudy :: 48F/9C | Wednesday: Mainly sunny. High 51F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph. Wednesday Night: A clear sky. Low 42F. Winds light and variable. 14:29 Joubu feel like it's 5°C! 14:29 tuxayo @wunder Marseille 14:29 huginn tuxayo: Marseille, France :: Clear :: 97F/36C | Heat Index: 101F/38C | Wednesday: Clear. Lows overnight in the mid 70s. Wednesday Night: Clear skies. Low 76F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph. 14:29 Joubu outch 14:30 tuxayo \o/ 14:33 tuxayo Anyway, has anyone heard about BOM (Byte Order Mark) issues? Batch item modification tool can't parse an item number list that starts with a BOM. 14:38 tuxayo He he, when I throw the same file in as a barcode list, I get "3131" as a first char. 14:39 tuxayo So the problem is the non-handling of BOM *and* the ugly error when an itemnumber doesn't match an existing item. 14:39 * tuxayo hopes that the file openning code can easily be changed to handle BOM 15:03 cait if i accidentally deleted my master branch.. how woudl i get it back? 15:03 cait hm ok i think that worked 15:07 cait oleonard: are you going to sign off on bug 21137? 15:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Replace BORROWER_INFO and USER_INFO with logged_in_user 15:07 oleonard If no one else gets to it first cait 15:07 cait i will hold out to qa :) 15:12 reiveune bye 15:22 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21133: Fix use statements order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce96080f3005be5a63c9f2cab8d4b6c81e9b5b27> 15:27 tuxayo Should I create one bugzilla for {the non-handling of BOM in a tool} and for {error when an itemnumber is invalid is the said tool} ? 15:27 tuxayo Kinda linked and kinda independent 15:27 cait i'd file 2 15:28 tuxayo thanks :) 15:50 jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 15:50 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #519: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/519/ 15:51 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #19: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/19/ 15:53 Joubu tcohen: ^ it did the job ;) 15:53 tcohen Joubu++ 15:59 jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:59 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 15:59 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #20: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/20/ 16:15 cait oleonard++ :) 16:22 Joubu oleonard: bug 21139 16:22 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21139 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The floating toolbars have some issues 16:23 Joubu it will fix the problem you faced on bug 20044 when resizing the window 16:23 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging 16:46 cait working on the one it depends on right now 16:47 cait bug 21099 16:47 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21099 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Floating toolbars reposition too late 16:47 cait so if signed off could do both together :) 16:59 jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 16:59 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 16:59 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #29: FIXED in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/29/ 17:22 cait hm should we change the plugin code? 17:23 cait oleonard: the bug i am looking at modifies /lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.fixFloat.js 17:24 cait but it looks like we already changed it in the past, bug 18305 for example 17:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18305 major, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, CLOSED FIXED, jquery.fixFloat.js breaks advanced MARC editor for some browsers 17:24 oleonard It's not an independently-maintained plugin 17:25 cait can you rephrase that? 17:26 cait sorry, don't understand 17:29 oleonard It's not like other plugins which are maintained independently of Koha. 17:30 cait ah 17:30 cait so I understand it's ok to change :) 17:31 oleonard Yes 17:33 oleonard Joubu: Bug 21139 handles browser width fine as long as the y-axis position of the toolbar isn't affected by the reflow of other elements on the page 17:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21139 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The floating toolbars have some issues 17:34 oleonard I'm not sure if that's easy to handle or not. 17:47 cait hope Joubu understands that, because I can't follow :) 18:02 Joubu oleonard: I thought I understood it, but cannot recreate. 18:09 tuxayo Question about this Perl snippet `my $content=<$filefh>` 18:09 tuxayo is <$foobar> and operation which is a function which gets a ligne from a file handler? 18:09 tuxayo *line 18:13 Joubu oleonard: about bug 20366, did you test the remote branch or the patches on the bug? I do not recreate this one either 18:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , More information about orders linked to subscriptions on "Acquisition details" tab 18:14 Joubu tuxayo: yes, should be used with a while, or my @lines = <$f 18:14 Joubu erk 18:14 Joubu tuxayo: yes, should be used with a while, or my @lines = <$fh> 18:15 tuxayo Indeed that's the case. Thanks :) 18:15 Joubu tuxayo: ask google for the "diamond operator" 18:15 oleonard Joubu: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15331473066753 18:15 oleonard (re: 21139) 18:16 Joubu oleonard: ha! I was not testing on this view 18:16 tuxayo Joubu: thanks. My difficulty is to convert some symbols to something searchable on the web. Does anyone know something that helps about that? (maybe there aren't that many operators to learn? 18:17 oleonard And about 20366, I tested both with the patches and then the remote branch when I worried the patches on the bug weren't up to date. 18:18 Joubu the patches are up to date, what did you test exactly? 18:19 oleonard Not much...as soon as I tried to view detail.pl I got the error. 18:20 Joubu without order placed on the record? 18:22 oleonard With and without 18:24 Joubu oleonard: any records? 18:26 oleonard Apparently 18:26 wahanui hmmm... Apparently is vitally important to librarians 18:27 Joubu oleonard: 21139 - I do now recreate, the behavior existed prior to the patches. I am not sure how hard it would be to fix it, I suggest to fix it separately :) 18:27 oleonard Fine with me. 18:47 * tuxayo sent a long message: tuxayo_2018-08-01_18:47:26.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/tVDUsSPDMUURMzQEJaayoEJD> 18:55 Joubu choose between "500" or "internal server error" (synonym) 18:56 Joubu and copy the exact error in the description 18:57 * Joubu is installing debian 9 on oleonard's laptop 18:57 Joubu oleonard: you can recreate the issue now ;) 19:05 tuxayo Joubu: thanks! 19:07 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:07 huginn cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Rain :: 74F/23C | Wind Chill: 74F/23C | Wednesday: Thunderstorms. Lows overnight in the mid 60s. Wednesday Night: Thunderstorms likely this evening. Then the chance of scattered thunderstorms overnight. Low 64F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 100%. 19:07 cait RAIN! 19:08 tuxayo Thunderstorms, Thunderstorms and scattered thunderstorms 19:08 tuxayo Enjoy! 19:08 cait this is so good after today's heat 19:15 cait Joubu: still around? 19:16 Joubu yes 19:17 cait looking at the USER.. patches 19:17 cait why [% IF ( borrower.warndeparture ) %] in opac-user.pl? 19:18 cait sorry bug 21137 19:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Replace BORROWER_INFO and USER_INFO with logged_in_user 19:19 Joubu I changed borrower with patron (because it's a Koha::Patron), then I changed USER... with borrower (because it's a hash) 19:19 Joubu it is usually what is done so far 19:19 Joubu yes it's bad, but we are in transition ;) 19:20 Joubu all the logic code in opac-user.pl should be removed, but it's out of the scope 19:20 cait just not spotting yet wher eit came from 19:20 cait the borrower 19:20 wahanui the borrower is restricted, borrower has no restrictions. 19:21 Joubu `git grep 'scalar Koha::Patrons'` 19:21 cait becuase you remove - borrower => scalar Koha::Patrons->find($borrowernumber), 19:21 Joubu you will find it 19:22 cait i only got 3 hit 19:22 cait s 19:22 cait none is in opac-user 19:23 Joubu ok sorry, so the Koha::Patron is logged_in_user (sent from C4::Auth) 19:23 Joubu and the $borrower hash which contains the extra info comes from: 19:23 Joubu 173 borrower => $borr, 19:24 cait ah 19:25 cait my $borr = $patron->unblessed; 19:25 cait got you 19:25 cait thx for explaining! 19:25 cait Joubu++ 19:26 oleonard Bye #koha 19:39 cait @later tell tcohen should column visibility show in the opac items table? 19:39 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 19:40 Joubu cait: Bug 16759: Make OPAC holdings table configurable 19:40 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Make OPAC holdings table configurable 19:43 cait Joubu: yes, but i think we didn't show the config option 19:45 Joubu hum yes, looks buggy too 19:45 cait we just tested the dev in 17.11 19:45 cait that's why i was surprised 19:45 cait [off] https://next.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=5&query_desc=kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20der 19:47 cait 17.11 doesn't show it 19:49 cait Joubu: something's wrong with the toolbar for me on bug 21139 19:49 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21139 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The floating toolbars have some issues 19:50 cait scroll down, resize window, scroll back up - the toolbar 'unlocks' in the wrong spot 19:52 cait with and without hte patches 19:52 cait is that the error you were talking about to fix separately? 19:53 Joubu @later tell tcohen it's bug 7547 19:53 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 19:53 Joubu cait ^ 19:53 Joubu I commented on the bug 19:53 cait bug 7547 19:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7547 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Printing a sorted cart 19:54 cait thx :) 19:54 cait 5 minutes to meeting 19:54 Joubu cait: on which page do you have the "unlock in the wrong spot" problem? 19:54 cait get ready everyone! 19:55 cait patron edit 19:55 cait see pm for the screenshot 19:59 * cait waves at davidnind 20:00 caroline Nz is waking up! :) 20:00 bag ha 20:01 davidnind waves... 20:01 * wahanui rides the waves| 20:01 cait as kidclamp is on vacatoin, who will chair? :) 20:02 caroline wahanui will chair, can't wait to see how that will go 20:02 wahanui caroline: what? 20:02 cait heh 20:02 cait i can do it if noone else wants to 20:02 Joubu cait++ 20:02 Joubu :D 20:03 cait #startmeeting General IRC meeting 1 August 2018 20:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Aug 1 20:03:10 2018 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_1_august_2018' 20:03 cait #topic Introductions 20:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 20:03 cait please introduce yourself with #info following wahanui's example 20:03 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_1_August_2018 today's agenda 20:03 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro 20:03 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 20:03 tuxayo caroline: considering it's response, that wouldn't have gone well :P 20:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 20:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 20:04 davidnind #info David Nind, wellington, New Zealand 20:04 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 20:05 cait giving it a minute longer or so 20:05 MichaelKuhn #info Michael Kuhn, Switzerland 20:05 cait tuxayo: ? 20:06 cait ok, moving on then 20:06 cait #topic Announcements 20:06 cait any announcements anyone? 20:07 cait ok, moving on 20:07 cait #topic Update on releases 20:07 cait RMaints? 20:07 wahanui RMaints is ashimema (18.05), fridolin (17.11 and 17.05) 20:08 cait i don't think anyone is here :) 20:08 cait ok, moving on 20:08 cait #topic Encouraging sign-offs/testers 20:08 cait this is from me and i am here.. so: 20:09 cait at the moment the QA queue is mostly under control, but we got 66 bugs waiting for sign-off and 245 bugs total 20:09 cait so that's unusual high 20:09 cait on top of that i got feedback from someone who was willing to sign offf, that all sandboxes are broken 20:10 cait that means all 3 providers of sandboxes and no note on the wiki about if it's maintenance or whatever 20:10 cait I've tried, it's at least since last week, maybe longer 20:11 cait #info All sandboxes are currently down. There is no info if this if for maintenance on the wiki. 20:11 cait i think none of hte hosters are around, apart from bag maybe? 20:12 bag yeah not sure why our’s are down - we’ll take a look 20:12 cait thx bag 20:13 cait @action bag to check on status of Bywater's sandboxes 20:13 huginn cait: downloading the Perl source 20:13 Joubu they all have a different errors, that's fun 20:13 cait #action bag to check on status of Bywater's sandboxes 20:13 cait yeah :( 20:14 cait the other question was if we could add a keyword for bugs testable on sandboxes 20:14 cait we use Academy for easy bugs, but sometimes those are related to documentaiton fixes in cronjobs or similar, so not testable 20:14 Joubu or the reverse? 20:14 caroline I think it's a good idea from a search point of view 20:15 Joubu most of them should be testable on a sandbox 20:15 cait currently there is a lot of elastic 20:15 cait that's a bit harder as you have to clean indexes etc 20:15 cait so maybe a keyword to mark them could help 20:16 cait could maybe jsut be Sandbox 20:16 tuxayo cait: no really here, sorry. 20:16 tuxayo Thanks for the notification :) 20:16 Joubu that would implicitely mean than others are not testable on a sandbox 20:17 cait not necessarily 20:17 cait we have easy bugs not marked Academy 20:17 Joubu ok 20:18 cait it oculd help before events or when someone asks for finding some bugs they could test 20:18 cait bag, around? 20:19 bag yes 20:19 cait #topic KohaCon18 20:19 cait sneaking i another topic for a little update 20:19 bag So right now we’re expecting around 150 people maybe a few more 20:19 bag The program is set 20:20 bag https://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/schedule.html 20:20 bag We are still seaking sponsors to help with the costs - only 3 pledges so far (and 2 more that said they will commit some funds) 20:21 cait #info Program is set 20:21 thd Is there a room sharing board? 20:21 cait #link https://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/schedule.html Program 20:21 cait #info Still seaking sponsors! 20:22 bag Cultural day will be an optional fun run/walk in the early morning. Then going to the Portland history musuem, lunch, and then to the Japanese Gardens for the afternoon. 20:22 * thd will send a message to mailing list about possibly sharing a room 20:22 bag Bring ideas for the hackfest (the style will be an unconference) 20:23 bag any other questions? 20:23 cait #info Cultural day will be an optional fun run/walk in the early morning. Then going to the Portland history musuem, lunch, and then to the Japanese Gardens for the afternoon. 20:23 bag hmm… Don’t know about room sharing board... 20:23 cait #info Bring ideas for the hackfest! (style will be an unconference) 20:23 cait registrations? :) 20:24 bag what do you mean “registrations� 20:24 Joubu what do you mean "unconference"? :) 20:24 cait how many registrations:) just curious 20:25 bag ah unconference - no set schedule :) we’ll decide what we’re going to do on the different days of the hackfest. I think that the RM will be a default leader of those days 20:25 Joubu yep, excellent 20:25 bag we have 188 registered so far - I am expecting so where around 150 to show up 20:25 davidnind1 Is there a cutoff date for registrations? 20:26 bag no cut off date 20:26 cait #info 188 registrations so far - no cutoff for registrations 20:26 davidnind1 Thanks! 20:27 cait ok, if there aren't anymore questions, we can move on? 20:28 cait #topic KohaCon19 20:28 cait #info there are 2 bids for KohaCon19 with bidding now officially closed: Dublin and Stockholm 20:29 cait so we will have a vote! 20:29 cait is someone willing to organize? I think the last ones were done by drojf, who is not here tonight 20:30 caroline how does it work? 20:30 cait i thin the last were done using limesurvey or similar 20:30 cait it's supposed to be an online form that people can fill out 20:31 caroline Ok, I guess it's not that complicated, I could try to organize the vote 20:31 thd We should not actually vote until late September to avoid missing too many people on holiday. 20:31 caroline Do we have a start/end date to the vote? 20:31 davidnind1 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons 20:31 Joubu well yes it is, I think we had issue last time with people voting several times 20:31 cait ah thx perfect davidnind 20:31 cait was just looking for that page 20:31 cait davidnind++ 20:31 Joubu so it should be hosted to remove duplicates 20:32 caroline cool thanks davidnind1 20:33 Joubu apparently we did not host it last time, there is "How to minimise potential issues: " section 20:33 cait #action caroline to organize the vote 20:33 thd As there are only two options we do not have to worry about the complexities of the methodology for counting ranked votes. 20:34 bag yeah probably have it that you can only choose one 20:34 cait choose your preferrd 20:34 * caroline adds organize voting on her todo 20:34 cait as both locations are in europe, they are kind of close :) 20:35 cait when should the vote finish? 20:35 bag Sept 30th? 20:35 thd A sophisticated survey might try to catch some null option where people are voting without a real preference but we should avoid the complexity required to account for such voting. 20:35 cait both proposals are between may and june 20:36 davidnind1 Two great looking options, thanks to the bidders for putting in the time and effort! 20:36 cait stockholm++ dublin++ :) 20:36 davidnind1 And taking on the challenge! 20:36 cait september 30th sounds good to me 20:36 cait caroline: you think it's ok? 20:36 cait we should have a few weeks for voting to catch the people on vacation 20:37 caroline Well, I'm going to need a bit of time to get to know limesurvey and have it installed here 20:37 thd How the choices should be ordered should be considered. There is probably some advantage to whomever appears first on the ballot. 20:37 cait with 2 options? 20:37 cait i think we should not overcomplicate 20:37 caroline I'm going to give it a month and a half after it's up 20:37 caroline is that ok? 20:37 thd Even with 2 options the first option probably has some advantage. 20:37 cait fine by me, i think 4 weeks would be good too 20:38 bag thd: do you always vote for the first option? 20:38 georgew Limesurvey allows you to randomize question order 20:38 thd ... that actually goes to the point of some people not having a strong prefernce. 20:38 caroline ok so between 4-6 weeks 20:38 caroline randomize the questions and ask for name, email, institution 20:38 thd bag: No, I always vote for the least popular option ;) 20:38 bag georgew++ 20:39 cait georgew: thx :) 20:39 caroline anything else I'm missing? 20:39 cait does that also cover the otpions in the questions? 20:39 georgew Yes, I believe it does 20:39 cait cool 20:39 cait caroline++ 20:40 cait if there is nothing else, i am moving toward ending the meeting 20:40 cait when shall we meet next? 20:40 cait august 5? 20:41 cait 13 utc? 20:41 thd Randomised question order could help if limesurvey can do that. 20:41 davidnind1 Date and time ok to me! 20:42 thd Aug? 20:42 thd or Sep.? 20:42 cait sorry september 20:42 cait first wednesday 20:43 cait joubu can you help me out with the formatting? 20:43 Joubu #info Next meeting: 5 September 2018, 13 UTC 20:43 Joubu that? 20:43 wahanui that is still relevant 20:43 cait thx 20:43 cait #endmeeting 20:43 huginn Meeting ended Wed Aug 1 20:43:32 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 20:43 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_1_august_2018.2018-08-01-20.03.html 20:43 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_1_august_2018.2018-08-01-20.03.txt 20:43 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_1_august_2018.2018-08-01-20.03.log.html 20:43 cait thx all! 20:43 davidnind1 cait++ 20:43 bag cait++ 20:44 bag One last point - very exctied to see y’all in Portland for KohaCon18!!! should be THE fun! 20:45 cait :D 20:45 davidnind1 Looking forward to it - my first KohaCon in real life! 20:48 cait looking forward to meet you! 20:52 ashimema Balls... Too late 20:52 cait hehe 20:52 ashimema I blame vacation brain.. got my days totally muddled.. apologies for missing it 20:52 cait you missed me being grumpy about the sandboxes 20:55 caroline Good news! We already have Limesurvey installed 20:56 cait :) 20:57 ashimema Those are also on my list 20:59 rangi morning 21:00 caroline Hello rangi ! 21:00 ashimema Lol, someone's out of office just stretchedy German a bit.. 21:26 tcohen hi 21:26 tcohen cait: yes 21:27 cait ashimema: oh? 21:34 ashimema My German is bad.. it was nice to have an excuse to try and remind myself 😉 21:36 cait tcohen: hm? 21:37 tcohen nevermind? 21:37 tcohen he 21:37 tcohen I missed the meeting! 21:39 cait you are not alone 21:40 caroline bye all! 22:16 cait Joubu: is bug 20044 correct in FQA with your follow-up? 22:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging 22:17 Joubu I am waiting for Owen to test 22:17 cait ok 22:39 cait @later tell khall forgot if I sent you a later already, looks like your dev env is misconfigured: John Doe <you@example.com> 22:39 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 22:40 cait @seen khall 22:40 huginn cait: khall was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 0 days, 9 hours, and 45 seconds ago: <khall> yes, I think we should. I'll go ahead and submit a squashed patch set to bugzilla 23:22 cait @later tell oleonard could you maybe take another look at bug 20312? I was not sure about the look and the Javascript 23:22 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.