Time Nick Message 00:33 mtompset @seen alexbuckley 00:33 huginn mtompset: alexbuckley was last seen in #koha 6 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <alexbuckley> hey aleisha. Are you still in Bali or back in NZ now? 00:33 alexbuckley hi 02:46 mtompset Well, I best call it a day. I need to be reading assignments to "mark". 02:47 mtompset Have a great day, #koha alexbuckley :) 06:35 rangi evening 06:51 alex_ bonjour 06:56 magnuse morning 06:57 alex_ hello magnuse 07:14 magnuse bonjour alex_ 07:21 gaetan_B hello 07:21 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B 07:29 shohl moin moin 07:36 cait good morning 07:36 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes 07:36 cait ssh wahanui 07:36 cait wahanui botsnack breakfast 07:36 wahanui thanks cait :) 07:37 cait #koha still waking up I guess 07:41 fridolin hi there 07:55 cait hi all 08:34 * andreashm waves 10:13 nlegrand Good day #koha 10:15 magnuse hiya nlegrand 10:16 magnuse tiffin time! 10:33 nlegrand ay up magnuse 10:47 cait Joubu: pointed at you for end of string freeze/translation period on the koha-translate list... hope it'sok :) 11:08 marcelr hi #koha 11:08 marcelr hi kidclamp new RM 11:09 kidclamp :-) 11:09 marcelr khall around ? 11:09 khall yo 11:10 marcelr hey khall does your signoff on 11943 count as a pqa ? 11:10 marcelr it is the second signoff 11:10 khall marcelr: yep! 11:10 marcelr do you change or should I 11:11 khall oh, that one 11:11 marcelr the double accepts on shared lists 11:12 khall I didn't set to pqa since nick was the signer, but if you are fine with that you can definitely consider my so was pqa : ) 11:12 marcelr ok 11:32 oleonard Hi all 11:32 marcelr hi oleonard 11:32 wahanui hi dear loon 12:57 magnuse development meeting in about 1 hour? 13:00 oleonard That's what my digital assistant has just told me. 13:45 tcohen morning 13:47 josef_moravec hi tcohen 13:48 tcohen hi josef_moravec 14:00 kidclamp meeting? 14:00 wahanui meeting is in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then 14:00 oleonard wahanui no 14:00 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg 14:01 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018 14:01 huginn Meeting started Wed May 9 14:01:10 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018' 14:01 kidclamp #topic Introductions 14:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 14:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 14:01 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 14:01 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_9_May_2018 14:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:01 davbo_ #info David Bourgault, Solutions InLibro 14:01 cc_ #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd 14:01 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy 14:01 blou #info Philippe Blouin, Solutions inLibro 14:02 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 14:02 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 14:03 oleonard cait? calire? josef_moravec? 14:03 Joubu qa_team? 14:03 wahanui well, qa_team is alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec 14:03 Joubu rmaints? 14:03 wahanui rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11) 14:03 oleonard tuxayo? 14:03 fridolin hi there 14:03 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France 14:04 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:04 cait coming out of another meeting, sorry to be late 14:04 tuxayo hi! 14:04 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, BibLibre, France 14:04 * fridolin has proposed to maintain 17.11.x after 18.05 release 14:05 tuxayo thanks oleonard :D 14:05 fridolin keeping maintaining oldstable 14:05 calire #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany 14:05 kidclamp #topic Announcements 14:06 kidclamp anyone? 14:06 wahanui Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? 14:06 * oleonard is ready to dump piles of patches on y'all as part of Bug 20654 14:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Omnibus: Update two-column templates to use Bootstrap grid 14:07 calire oleonard++ 14:07 cait more piles of patches? oy 14:07 kidclamp #topic Update from the Release manager (18.05) 14:08 kidclamp Mr Joubu 14:08 Joubu 18.05 will be released quite soon 14:08 kidclamp confetti! 14:08 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 14:08 Joubu we are in string freeze already 14:08 khall oleonard+++ indeed! 14:08 Joubu *but* 14:08 Joubu I am going to make an exception and push the OAuth patchset 14:09 Joubu certainly today 14:09 cait +1 14:09 * oleonard mutters Seems like all my friends have a big *but* 14:09 tcohen +1 14:09 Joubu people should focus on signoff/qa of bugfixes 14:09 Joubu and catch bugs 14:09 cait i think the strings involved there will be ok until the .01 14:09 kidclamp +1 14:09 Joubu it's not useful to rebase or dev new enhancements ;) 14:09 cait ther are some patches for the marc freameworks that don't involve translation 14:09 Joubu a side note about 18.11: we really need release maintainers 14:10 Joubu and that's all for me 14:10 kidclamp #info 18.05 release in string freeze but exception being made for OAuth patches, please focus on bugs and testing 14:10 cait i think it might be nice to be up to the latest standard with release 14:10 cait i signed off the first, waiting for qa *hint* :) 14:10 kidclamp bug number cait? 14:11 cait sec 14:11 tuxayo Joubu: " we really need release maintainers" : at least 18.05 Or is 17.05 really needed also? 14:11 Joubu ha, it would be nice to have bug 20720 into 18.05 (I will not have time to write a patch) 14:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20720 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Add libraries (sponsors) to the about page 14:12 cait bug 19835 14:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017) 14:12 Joubu tuxayo: we should maintain at least 3 stable releases. 14:12 cait bug 20710 14:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20710 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update 26 (April 2018) 14:12 Joubu but if everybody is willing to run master, it's fine by me 14:13 fridolin ^^ 14:13 kidclamp #info please look at bugs 20270 19835 20710 for release 14:13 kidclamp moving on? 14:13 cait 18.05 and 17.11 is needed, we could drop 17.05 if noone is willing to 14:13 cait but it would be much nicer to have 3 14:13 fridolin +1 14:14 tcohen hi rangi 14:14 kidclamp #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:14 kidclamp I am going to ush some this week before string freeze, will try not o leave a mess for frido :-) 14:14 tuxayo Joubu: Indeed, if many people will stay stuck on 17.05 that would be useful: https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences 14:14 tuxayo Or could it be an incentive to upgrade to not have 17.05 maintained? (just a idea, not sure if good at all) 14:16 * kidclamp points at khall 14:16 khall yes, I'd be willing to rmaint 17.05 14:16 Joubu ashimema_: ? 14:17 marcelr khall++ 14:17 tcohen khall++ 14:17 cait so what's our lineup? 18.05? 14:17 tcohen we need someone for 18.05 14:17 tcohen ? 14:17 Joubu ashimema is volunteering 14:18 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, library Ústà nad Orlicà 14:18 josef_moravec I am late, sorry 14:18 khall kk 14:19 kidclamp #info kidlcmap will push for 17.11 this week 14:19 kidclamp any notes frido? 14:19 fridolin Joubu: is Bug 20144 for stable branches also ? 14:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20144 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Test suite is failing with new default SQL modes 14:19 cait still confused, but think people will hopefully sign up on the wiki :) 14:20 Joubu fridolin: nope (yet) 14:20 fridolin I m not proposing for RMaint 18.05 i will not have enough time 14:20 fridolin oki cool (so much patches) 14:20 * fridolin is ok 14:20 kidclamp #action ashimema has (been?) volunteered for 18.05 RMaint - he should update the wiki :-D 14:21 Joubu (Martin asked me few days ago how he could help for 18.11, and if he could be RMaint, that's why I said that) 14:21 Joubu (we will catch him when he will be around) 14:21 kidclamp moving on 14:21 fridolin ashimema++ 14:21 * tuxayo prepares a net to catch ashimema 14:22 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 14:22 cait work load wise the newer the more work 14:22 fridolin prepare beers for that 14:23 kidclamp cait 14:24 cait Nothing much 14:24 cait what Joubu said, focus now should be on bug fixes mostly 14:24 cait anything that is needed to get us to the release 14:25 cait and then we will start over, there are some quite big featues in the queue that we will need to tackel after release 14:25 cait stock rotation, mana and recalls to name some 14:25 kidclamp - #info cait says fix all the bugs or she won't qa your patches anymore ever 14:25 cait happy to see we have quite a good team ready for the next release 14:25 cait true 14:26 cait never ever again ;) 14:26 kidclamp #info QA please focus on bugs, after release there are big patches to look towards 14:26 * Joubu is going to remove the "Database Documentation Manager" role 14:26 cait can i jump in with a releas team question? 14:26 cait tcohen++ signed up for module maintainer rest api 14:26 cait which i thin is a great thing 14:26 tcohen thanks 14:27 cait maybe we could also find someone to coordinate elasticsearch? 14:27 tcohen I think the RM will be very involved 14:27 kidclamp clrh_ 14:27 Joubu kidclamp is doing it 14:27 cait right now we have a lot of bugs and patches waiting, but i don't see how they depend on eacho ther clearly and what is most urgent 14:27 cait someone to coordinate that woudl be great 14:27 kidclamp I will, but some help too 14:27 cait keeping the big picture 14:27 cait kidclamp++ 14:27 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University 14:28 cait all from me then, qa_team? 14:28 cait qa team? 14:28 wahanui i think qa team is hunting all the bugs! 14:28 cait hm. 14:28 marcelr cait++ 14:28 cait you know who you are 14:28 kidclamp been trying to point out conflicts and guide, clrh_ doc has been helpful we should update it for 18.11 goals 14:28 kidclamp moving on 14:28 cait maybe a most important elasticsearch bug for the weekly qa email? :) 14:29 kidclamp +1 14:29 kidclamp #info kidclamp will corordinate ES efforts for 18.11 - may tap individuals for help along the way 14:29 Joubu maybe it's time to contribute to the what's on in koha-devel? 14:29 kidclamp also +1 14:30 Joubu https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/What_s_on_in_koha-devel 14:30 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:30 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 14:31 ashimema But only lurking.. On school run duties 14:31 tuxayo "what's on in koha-devel" Oh great idea! :D 14:31 Joubu irony? 14:31 wahanui well, irony is of course that he learns it all from humans. ;) 14:32 kidclamp #topic Way to authenticate patron for REST API - what about Bug 17004 14:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17004 enhancement, P3, ---, lari.taskula, In Discussion , REST API: add route to authenticate patron (Single Sign On - SSO) 14:32 fridolin miam miam 14:33 kidclamp lari tcohen jajm ^ 14:33 greenjimll In "whats on in koha devel" is it worth mentioning trying to sweep up old bugs/ideas? 14:33 tcohen is marcelr around? 14:33 tuxayo Joubu: "irony": no no no, not at all. It's nice to contribute that less people (including me) are out of the loop 14:34 marcelr yes tcohen 14:34 josef_moravec .I added it, we need an easy way to authenticate a patron by username and password 14:34 kidclamp #link https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/What_s_on_in_koha-devel To contribute for 'What's on in koha devel" 14:34 tcohen the main problem with that proposal is that is just replicating the current cookie based authentication we have 14:35 fridolin i think jajm is at the beach 14:35 tcohen I'm not against having it for people needing it, but the goal is to have full support for other OAuth2 flows 14:36 greenjimll confidential client OAuth2 flows so that back end servers can use it for bulk updates? 14:36 tcohen I mean, until we cover the other flows, we could replace the current controller scripts with this kind of endpoint, but it is a short-term thing 14:36 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS 14:36 tcohen greenjimll: that's probably getting into 18.05 already 14:37 tcohen this one is for generating session cookies 14:37 greenjimll tcohen: Great - that's really useful for systems integration. 14:37 tcohen which could be in turn used for that 14:37 tcohen separate thing 14:38 tcohen the thing is we don't have that many hands working on this things 14:38 tcohen so, where to put the energy 14:39 tcohen I wouldn't block this dev as the way we currently deal with OAuth authentication is far from standard-ish (we do oauth2 for google, but generate a session cookie instead of using the token, etc) 14:39 tcohen there's a long road to go 14:39 josef_moravec ok, I will try to think about it more for next time, this was requirement from an external API user, but with full OAuth2 flow, we could maybe do it better... 14:40 tcohen ashimema: thoughts? 14:40 wahanui thoughts are that this might help us fix a lot of extended-unicode bugs 14:40 kidclamp #info bug 17004 may be covered by OAuth developments - involved parties should talk about coordinating :-) 14:40 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17004 enhancement, P3, ---, lari.taskula, In Discussion , REST API: add route to authenticate patron (Single Sign On - SSO) 14:40 tcohen right 14:41 kidclamp moving on but feel free to continuye discussion 14:41 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines 14:41 kidclamp #topic HTML8: use Asset TT plugin for linking javascript and css files 14:41 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#HTML8:_use_Asset_TT_plugin_for_linking_javascript_and_css_files Use Asset TT plugin for linking js and css files 14:41 josef_moravec does make sense, thanks tcohen and others for discussion! 14:42 Joubu this one is pushed already actually, I did not know we had to vote it :) 14:42 kidclamp we better vote yes then :-) 14:42 josef_moravec bug 20538 14:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20538 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Remove the need of writing [% KOHA_VERSION %] everywhere 14:42 tcohen we are voting the guidelines change, which is ok 14:43 kidclamp #startvote should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written? 14:43 huginn Begin voting on: should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 14:43 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:43 kidclamp #vote Yes 14:43 oleonard #vote Yes 14:43 josef_moravec #vote yes 14:43 Joubu #vote yes 14:43 greenjimll #vote Yes 14:43 marcelr #vote yes 14:44 calire #vote Yes 14:44 kidclamp last call 14:44 thd #vote Yes 14:44 kidclamp #endvote 14:44 huginn Voted on "should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written?" Results are 14:44 kidclamp #info 8 yes, unanimous 14:44 tuxayo #vote Yes 14:45 kidclamp #topic PERL17.1 Unit tests should be grouped into sensible subtests that create their own data. 14:46 * tuxayo curses the latency of using an IRC bridge (from Matrix/Riot) instead of actually being on IRC 14:46 Joubu I think cait added after a discussion with me 14:46 Joubu it should be applied strictly, but the idea is to have 1 subtest for 1 method 14:46 tcohen Joubu: we've been kind of enforcing it on QA 14:46 Joubu unless 2 methods are strongly linked and it will need to dup too much code to test them separated into 2 subtests 14:47 Joubu tcohen: yes, that's why cait wanted it in the guidelines 14:47 kidclamp yes, while it easier to add a test using existing data, it is harder to fix/maintain 14:47 tcohen would it involve having the transaction inside the subtest? 14:47 marcelr ¨unless we have good reasons to do otherwise¨ :) 14:47 josef_moravec marcelr++ 14:48 tcohen TestBuilder helped get here 14:48 Joubu basically, in 90% of the time, if you add a new method, add a separate subtest, see t/db_dependent/Koha/Patrons.t for an example 14:48 tcohen before, it was a pain 14:48 Joubu and it's still a pain 14:48 kidclamp is there a proposed rule (i.e. what's the wording?) 14:49 tcohen yohann++ 14:49 * tcohen volunteers to write it as a draft (with examples, etc) for voting next dev meeting 14:50 kidclamp #action tcohen will draft a rule (with examples and qa escape clause) 14:50 kidclamp #topic Proposal: Officially apply Perl indentation rules to all file types. 4-space indentation for new/changed templates, JS, CSS, etc. -- oleonard 14:50 kidclamp oleonard? 14:50 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 14:51 * kidclamp wishes so hard 14:51 oleonard We've got a lot of templates, especially newer ones, with two-space indentation. The rules aren't very clear because they only refer to Perl scripts 14:51 oleonard I'd prefer that we make the rule global 14:52 marcelr what about changes? 14:52 marcelr lots of files with indentation troubles 14:52 oleonard Re-indent changed lines, just like we've done with files that have tab indentation 14:53 Joubu popcorn time 14:53 marcelr may be not that simple in a bad template 14:53 Joubu same as previously for this rule, it should not be applied strictly: 14:54 Joubu 1. new file: 4 spaces 14:54 Joubu 2. changes in existing and dirty files should be: 14:54 Joubu 2a: use the same identation as the block you are editing (unless it's tab) 14:54 Joubu 2b: there is not b actually 14:55 tcohen the .editorconfig file should probably be updated 14:55 oleonard I think the choice is pretty simple: Either the 4-space indentation is global or: it isn't, and there's no standard at all for other file types. 14:56 oleonard ...because if someone wants to say the rule for .tt is two spaces we've got the same argument and ALSO two different standards. 14:56 marcelr i am all for a relaxed migration to four spaces ;) 14:56 kidclamp +1 14:56 kidclamp #chair tcohen Joubu 14:56 huginn Current chairs: Joubu kidclamp tcohen 14:57 greenjimll I experienced this yesterday playing with basketgroup.tt. I tried to make my changes fit in with what was already there but its a pain with mixed HTML and Perl in the templates. 14:57 thd Relaxed and provision for exceptions when files have extensive indentation. 14:57 * tcohen secretly loves to shift 2 spaces left TT-specific lines to be able to read HTML more clearly 14:57 kidclamp I have to run, good luck all 14:57 tcohen kidclamp: how could you do this to us 14:57 marcelr stay and talk about tabs 14:58 thd Exceptions should be noted as a comment in the file header. 14:58 oleonard Shall we vote? 14:58 marcelr +1 14:58 thd s/extensive/extensive levels of/ 14:59 greenjimll Whichever way we vote I guarantee I'll keep getting it wrong. :-) 14:59 tuxayo I vote Yes for the proposal of voting 14:59 * ashimema frantically tries to catch up now he's back from the school run 15:00 marcelr ashimema: you are Rmaint in the meantime :) 15:00 marcelr my vote is Yes for 4 spaces 15:00 * tuxayo throws a net on ashimema_ 15:01 Joubu Is everybody waiting for kidclamp to write the vote proposal? 15:01 Joubu because he left 15:01 marcelr the chair left :) 15:01 tcohen #startvote should we adopt 4-space indentation globally? 15:01 huginn Begin voting on:  should we adopt 4-space indentation globally? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 15:01 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 15:01 marcelr #vote Yes 15:01 tcohen #vote Yes 15:01 cc_ #vote Yes 15:01 greenjimll #vote Yes 15:01 thd #vote Yes 15:01 ashimema Indeed.. that somewhat caught me by surprise.. I hadn't realised the boss had actually volunteered me.. we'd had the chat but I didn't realise it had reached it's conclusion ;) 15:01 ashimema all good 15:01 Joubu #vote no 15:01 tuxayo #vote Yes 15:01 * ashimema likes 2 space indentation for perl personally 15:02 Joubu lol 15:02 tcohen ashimema: LOL but that's not under discussion hehe 15:02 * ashimema uses the mojolicious projects perltidy config for all projects other than Koha to date.. 15:02 ashimema #vote no 15:03 ashimema lol 15:03 tcohen ok 15:03 Joubu I am voting no because it should be applied strictly. ok for new files, new blocks, not to add a 4 spaces alignement inside a 2 space align block 15:03 tuxayo Should the vote have been between various alternatives? 15:03 Joubu maybe it's a yes then 15:04 * thd prefers tab indentation which may appear as two spaces in editor but I think that is a lost position in Koha. 15:04 tcohen Joubu: you agree, you are talking about how we phase into that 15:05 tcohen thd: anyone can 'see' it as they like with tabs 15:05 tcohen ok 15:05 josef_moravec #vote yes 15:05 tcohen #endvote 15:05 huginn Voted on " should we adopt 4-space indentation globally?" Results are 15:05 thd tcohen: Exactly, which is why I like tabs. 15:06 tuxayo thd: tcohen : With tabs we loose some possibilities of alignment which require a fixed size 15:06 tcohen coward 15:06 greenjimll So does this now mean we've a "you touch it, you fix it" rule for tweaking indentation in existing files? 15:07 tcohen #info Yes: 7, No: 2 15:07 tuxayo But the balance could still be in favor of tabs is the pros are heavier 15:07 Joubu nothing else? 15:07 wahanui nothing else is priority 15:07 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting 15:07 thd tuxayo: It would be fixed according to however you set your view of tabs or am I missing something? 15:07 tuxayo greenjimll: what is "it": whole file, method, block, line? 15:08 thd Did we vote about about any issue of strict or relaxed? 15:09 Joubu Next meeting: 23 May 2018, 19, 20, 21 UTC? 15:09 greenjimll tuxayo: Good question. What I was playing with yesterday did bits all over basketgroup.tt and basketgroup.pl. Having to fix the whole file would be a pain, but it would fit in with the "strict spacing". 15:09 thd 20 is now better for me most of the time. 15:10 Joubu last dev meeting at 21, we were 3... 15:10 tuxayo thd "Did we vote about about any issue of strict or relaxed" 15:10 greenjimll Before we close the meeting are we going to decide on what the 4 space rule applies to when making patches? 15:10 tuxayo +1 15:11 thd 19 would be even better for me but perhaps not for others. 15:12 greenjimll 20 or 21 UTC for me. 15:12 Joubu #Next meeting: 23 May 2018, 20UTC? 15:12 Joubu #endmeeting 15:12 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 9 15:12:57 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:12 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-14.01.html 15:12 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-14.01.txt 15:12 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-14.01.log.html 15:13 thd Do we vote on strict vs. relaxed or defer to the question to the next meeting? 15:13 greenjimll So we've ended the meeting without deciding on the strict/relaxed spacing when patching existing files? 15:14 tuxayo or we leave it to QAers appreciation? 15:14 Joubu yes, not that important 15:14 thd greenjimll: You may need to add it to the agenda for the next meeting if needed. 15:15 greenjimll Considering the meeting has finished now, we'll have to! 15:15 tuxayo Leaving it to QAers seems the default choice. And we will see how it goes after some experience enforcing the guideline. 15:15 Joubu are you sure we need to talk about space indentation for weeks? 15:16 greenjimll Fair enough. As I said, whatever I do will be wrong, guaranteed. :-) 15:16 greenjimll So just do what I don't. :-) 15:16 thd I like the QA deference approach until there is a real problem. 15:16 * oleonard got knocked offline :( 15:16 * oleonard didn't get to vote on his own issue 15:17 Joubu oleonard: we voted "tabs everywhere" 15:17 fridolin and CRLF has end of line 15:17 * thd will be converting spaces to tabs for viewing in the editor then converting them back for writing out the file. 15:17 fridolin ^^ 15:18 oleonard 凸(>皿<)凸 15:18 greenjimll I'm just going to get rid of all the indentation and put all the perl on one line. :-) 15:18 * oleonard brb 15:18 tuxayo thd: "It would be fixed according to however you set your view of tabs or am I missing something?" : When you have a lot if methods params of argument. 15:18 tuxayo You can put them vertically and align them. Have a variable spacing with tabs settings wouldn't cause much trouble though. There should be other case but nothing really big. 15:19 marcelr tcohen: could you add your qa mark to 20695; much obliged.. 15:19 tuxayo Joubu: +1 better focus on other gaps in the guidelines rather that these details as long as it's not an issue. 15:20 caroline_ oleonard: did you leave to go scream in a pillow? ;) 15:20 oleonard :D 15:20 marcelr Joubu: what happened with 19436, not pushed.. 15:20 tuxayo cait: still around? 15:21 marcelr have to go now; bye #koha 15:21 thd tuxayo: I see that you are considering views other than a programming editor where how tabs display may not be well controlled by the user and thus may not be fixed by the user in any way. 15:23 tuxayo thd: indeed there is that. But I was thinking about the case of some alignments wouldn't make sense anymore depending of the settings of one's text editor 15:26 KSorbo[ How does one apply a bug fix patch to an existing site? 15:27 KSorbo[ I experience the problem dealt with in this bug: 15:27 KSorbo[ https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20693 15:27 huginn Bug 20693: blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, REOPENED , Plack fails, because 'libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl' package is not installed 15:27 thd tuxayo: Yes, I am mostly at peace with converting indentations to whatever pleases in the editor except for trouble overcoming the editor automatically marking the file as modified. 15:27 KSorbo[ I have no perl experience. How do I apply this patch to my site? 15:30 Guest1726 Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #95: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05_D8/95/ 15:30 Guest1726 m.de.rooy: Bug 20227: Check for categorycode in default_borrower_circ_rules 15:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20227 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , admin/smart-rules.pl should pass categorycode instead of branchcode 15:31 thd KSorbol: The manner for applying the patch depends on whether you are using koha packages in a particular GNU/Linux distribution. 15:32 greenjimll KSorbo[: In this case you might want to just try installing the package `libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` by hand if its stopping you from installing the rest of Koha. 15:34 thd KSorbol: The patch merely adds 4 lines of code and you could simply use the patch command. 15:34 greenjimll KSorbo[: actually, looking at the diff install the packages `libplack-perl` and `libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` as that's what the patch is doing (for the debian control files) 15:35 oleonard https://css-tricks.com/words-avoid-educational-writing/#article-header-id-2 15:37 KSorbo[ <thd> I am using packages from Ubuntu 16.04 15:37 thd KSorbol: What greenjimll wrote allows you to apply the solution of the patch without rebuilding koha for installation. 15:38 KSorbo[ If I patch those files by hand, how do I get the system to reload all the dependencies, etc? 15:39 thd KSorbo[: greenjimll has suggested that you may simply install the packages he listed with apt-get install $whateverPackagename . 15:40 greenjimll You can use `apt-get install libplack-perl libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` and then install Koha as you would normally. That patch is fixing dependencies in the packing, which you'll satisfy anyway once those two packages are installed. 15:40 KSorbo[ Thanks. I'll give that a try 15:40 thd KSorbol: No need to rebuild as far as I know. Merely install the two packages. 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20073: Update DBIC Schema changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc300b6547355019d9135c2023c444df7a7f3cff> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20734: Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials and not Net... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe7e0d1e5257f266ea81370553d235164186c245> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20568: fix shebang <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a8c3fad0a669870505d5b84b5fbaa7dd1c2a8a8> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20568: Fix bad resolution conflict with bug 18403 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2454d6868c357ee65dd683d80ab16f2cc2366fc> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: DBRev 17.12.00.044 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8acd86231a3b63f311a1c6357acc8096bef06ed> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20568: DBRev 17.12.00.043 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef7a900742cf8c7bc063cc6df74b922db235b8b6> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer is not a hard dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17e8acad70c778a1d544ad2cb22e0fc98ba2f312> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Add missing POD in Koha::REST::V1::OAuth <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=432dd41418003494c6db24ef0fc9d81f83186ba3> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20612: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in method POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d96a9080dd2625229528adff8f35b9c2b8aebb9> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove unused vars <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cb1020e0cdb63143d3d954d4d9ff3a4bd93e330> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Handle missing deps gracefuly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=763343a152b1e2a7a0c4fb6f6b8fd685843eb562> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Unit tests for missing deps situation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8579ac6c4fac0a660b506949bc47fcc7faf7674> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Make staff client respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cf8bbfb7aea34b6367dfbbfb9d73f88851507fb> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Make /api/v1/oauth/token respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=997a5705504b63cbaf9ae41f0487f5c1654c686f> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de0698076fee3061d3c37a8a922faf19a69336c8> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Add RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=027aa4f3495a5b1b3fd778470cdcd1c8f623233b> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove api-key management from OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82edceb2ed583ae9beaa63fd6208b380cc184c28> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20612: koha-conf.xml cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c46439abda66bfbf9cd7a987346331f93670062c> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20612: Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bf71bb837239ca9e3fdf4703074caf5eff7ec52> 15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20612: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8eb9239a340e662c42f8686a4d29154cc54ec5e4> 15:59 Joubu here we go 16:08 bag good morning 16:08 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one 16:09 cait hi bag :) 16:09 bag heya cait 16:10 caroline_ wow, wahanui is so glum today... 16:31 Guest1726 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #468: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/468/ 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20525: Add --timezone switch to koha-create 16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Implement OAuth2 authentication for REST API 16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Fix oauth.t 16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20525 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add --timezone switch to koha-create 16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Don't look at cookies if OAuth2 is attempted and has failed 16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Remove dependency on Mojo::Plugin::OAuth2::Server 16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20402 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , OAuth2 client credentials grant for REST API 16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Use TestBuilder->build_object in oauth.t 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20402: Atomic update and kohastructure.sql fixes 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20402: Add missing POD 16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Remove useless call to Koha::OAuthAccessTokens->search 16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: only output if verbose flag is set 16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: DBRev 17.12.00.042 16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: Update DBIX schema 16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20568: API keys management in interface 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Add mandatory description field for api keys 16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20568 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add API key management interface for patrons 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Unit tests 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: API key management for OPAC users 16:31 Guest1726 * oleonard: Bug 20568: (follow-up) Interface and markup changes 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Move value => client_id + secret 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (follow-up) Atomic update fix 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Test client_id and secret are not overwritten 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Make sure client_id and secret are not 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Get rid of the id column 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: CSRF protection 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove api-key management from OPAC 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove unused vars 16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: Fix bad resolution conflict with bug 18403 16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18403 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Hide patron information if not part of the logged in user library group 16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: fix shebang 16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: DBRev 17.12.00.043 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: Unit tests 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs 16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: koha-conf.xml cleanup 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in method POD 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Add RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials syspref 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Unit tests 16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20624 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Disable the OAuth2 client credentials grant by default 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Make /api/v1/oauth/token respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Make staff client respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Unit tests for missing deps situation 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Handle missing deps gracefuly 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Add missing POD in Koha::REST::V1::OAuth 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer is not a hard dependency 16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20624: DBRev 17.12.00.044 16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20734: Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials 16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20734 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials and not Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer 16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20073: Update DBIC Schema changes 16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20073 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Pushed to Master , Move Elasticsearch settings to configuration files 16:34 tuxayo bye #koha! 17:00 Joubu khall: are you around? 17:00 Joubu bug 20724 scares me a bit 17:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup" 17:01 khall what's up Joubu ? 17:01 Joubu khall: Is reserves.expirationdate supposed to be set when placing a hold and no expiration date is selected? 17:03 khall Joubu: not that I'm aware of 17:03 khall however, it should be set for waiting holds where there is a max pickup delay 17:06 Joubu ok, it's because of ReservesNeedReturns 17:06 Joubu bug 20724 17:06 Joubu bug 12011 17:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup" 17:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12011 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns breaks 'Hold Filled' functionality 17:06 Joubu bug 20423 17:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20423 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns allows multiple patrons to have the same item set to 'waiting' 17:06 Joubu I guess they are all duplicate 17:13 tuxayo thanks for you help about BZ 20724 17:14 tuxayo BZ 20423 reproduces in 16.11 if I'm not mistaken. So they shouldn't be linked. 17:14 tuxayo Joubu: ↑ 17:27 * oleonard updated 15 screenshots on the wiki and is now exhausted 17:33 Joubu khall: I have submitted a patch on bug 20724. Do you think it's the good way to fix the problem? 17:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, In Discussion , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup" 17:34 khall I'll take a look Joubu 18:26 * oleonard still hopes to get this design polished http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/15223413373574 18:36 saiful hi 18:38 tcohen hi 18:39 * cait waves 18:39 tuxayo oleonard++ 18:39 tuxayo looks great :) 18:40 saiful thanks to barton for giving heads up on submitting patches 18:45 saiful i setup kohadevbox on my win8pro laptop with vagrant with sync_repo option. i got the error message at the end "Koha instance is empty, no staff user created.", which i think fine. 18:45 saiful https://gist.github.com/saiful-semantic/5c5d53a54981b5f203c7dcb90e0f7088 18:46 saiful it says that "Ansible failed to complete successfully." i don't think it's a failure since koha was indeed installed. am i right? 18:47 tcohen that's ok saiful 18:47 tcohen its a known problem 18:47 tcohen just do 18:47 tcohen vagrant provision 18:47 tcohen same command but provision instead of up 18:47 saiful thanks 18:48 tcohen it will continue 18:48 tcohen where it left 18:49 cait looks great oleonard - what's your little search box on top for? 18:50 oleonard I have some custom JS I run on my devbox that puts a system preferences search there 18:52 cait nice :) 18:56 * oleonard curses Microsoft for being utterly incapable of making a decent browser 19:01 oleonard Bye all 19:26 barton you're welcome saiful, thanks for your work on... uh. that bug. (it's been a long day) :-) 19:27 barton saiful++ 20:43 * LeeJ waves 20:43 LeeJ hi #koha 20:56 caroline_ Hi LeeJ! 20:56 LeeJ hi caroline_! 20:58 LeeJ we'll start at 5 after 20:58 caroline_ no worries. I have plenty of stuff to do! ;) 20:58 LeeJ don't we all! ;) 20:59 davidnind LeeJ: Apologies for the task think (combining multiple bugs into one Taiga task), should have sent a message about it! 21:00 LeeJ davidnind: no problem at all! I just try to keep the numbers matching up :) 21:01 davidnind A challenge all buy itself! 21:01 davidnind buy s/be by.... 21:03 * cait1 waves 21:04 cait1 hi all 21:04 caroline_ Hi cait1! 21:04 alexbuckley_ hi cait1 21:05 LeeJ alrighty! 21:05 LeeJ #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018 21:05 huginn Meeting started Wed May 9 21:05:37 2018 UTC. The chair is LeeJ. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:05 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:05 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_9_may_2018' 21:05 LeeJ #topic Introductions 21:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:06 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:06 LeeJ #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University 21:06 caroline_ #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro 21:06 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand 21:06 georgew #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System 21:06 LeeJ #topic What's been done so far 21:07 LeeJ alright, as of this morning I've gotten tasks created for everything current per the release notes 21:07 cait1 LeeJ++ 21:07 davidnind LeeJ++ 21:07 LeeJ #info the kohadocs Taiga project is current as of Release Notes 17.12.00.044 21:08 LeeJ #info currently in queue to be added to the documentation are 11 new features, 257 enhancements, and 19 new system preferences 21:08 LeeJ yes I did, in fact, count them all ;) 21:08 caroline_ hehe! 21:09 LeeJ caroline_: would you like to mention the work that you and your team have accomplished for documentation so far? I saw you've been very busy 21:09 LeeJ and cait1 your work too :) 21:09 caroline_ um... Well, I'm the only one doing doc on my team 21:09 LeeJ caroline_: I meant in general :) 21:10 caroline_ Ah ok! 21:10 caroline_ Yes, Every friday afternoon the whole team does what we call "community work" 21:10 caroline_ So I either translate of doc, and the devs work on bugs or sign offs 21:11 caroline_ translate OR doc, I meant 21:11 LeeJ caroline_++ 21:11 cait1 Inlibro++ 21:11 LeeJ Inlibro++ 21:11 caroline_ thanks! :D 21:11 LeeJ cait1: care to share with everyone all the "restructuring" you've been working on? :) 21:11 cait1 I've been working on restructuring a bit 21:12 cait1 one of the goals being to make the files smaller 21:12 cait1 which will also help translators I think 21:12 cait1 another thing is that the TOCs get easier to handle 21:13 LeeJ cait1++ 21:13 cait1 like by splitting administration into system preferences and 'rest' we lost one level of headings 21:13 LeeJ which is a BIG deal :D 21:13 cait1 which i think helps to make them a little more readable/easier to navigate 21:13 cait1 or i hope so :) 21:13 LeeJ and less syntax to remember :) 21:13 cait1 next i've been working on splitting the next big chapter 21:13 cait1 misecellanous 21:14 cait1 let me find a link quickly 21:14 georgew smaller chapters will be a lot easier on end users 21:14 LeeJ I agree georgew 21:14 cait1 i hope my changes so far are agreeable :) 21:14 LeeJ especially since a lot of small, specific sections have been buried deep in larger files 21:14 cait1 miscellanous was not linked from Koha 21:15 LeeJ cait1: I agree with them! Otherwise they wouldn't get pushed ;D 21:15 cait1 but we also removed the numbering from the file names (to not have to renumber them all the time) 21:15 cait1 so I needed to fix the links in Koha 21:15 cait1 bug 20706 21:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20706 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fix links to help files for changed file structure (removed numbering on files) 21:15 cait1 we need to make one more change there and add back the en language codes int he files for the time being 21:15 LeeJ cait1: would you mind adding some quick info tags for the notes? :) 21:15 cait1 otherwise links won't work right 21:16 LeeJ *notes/minutes 21:16 cait1 #info bug 20706 needs sign-off / qa - It's to adapt the links in Koha to the new file structure 21:16 cait1 #info administration has been split into prefs and rest 21:16 cait1 #info miscellanous has been split into multiple files now, like links, faq, extending_koha 21:16 cait1 i need some more help there 21:17 LeeJ what help do you need? 21:17 cait1 1) can we lose the serials sample ins favor of the wiki page caroline started? 21:17 LeeJ cait1: have a link to that wiki page? never knew about it 21:18 cait1 2) Move 'OCLC connextion gateway', 'Talking Tech' and 'MarcEdit' into a new chapter 'Using third party software wit Koha' ? 21:18 caroline_ Didn't we already have this conversation a while back? 21:18 cait1 3) Move SIP2 and LDAP sections into a new chapter 'Other APIs and protocols' right below the 'Web services' chapter? 21:18 caroline_ We voted on wiki vs manual for something 21:18 cait1 caroline_: i was not sure how to proceed, maybe i forgot 21:18 cait1 ah for faq 21:18 cait1 we decided on the manual i tihnk 21:18 georgew The vot on wiki vs manuals was for faq 21:18 caroline_ ah ok thanks! 21:19 cait1 we could also imagine moving them into the serials chapter 21:19 caroline_ I would move the link to the wiki in the serials chapter 21:19 LeeJ I think caroline_ has a good idea 21:19 cait1 sorry, can you epxlain? 21:19 caroline_ number 2 and 3 are fine by me 21:20 caroline_ well removing the serials sample section 21:20 cait1 was not sure about the naming of the chapters, 2) and 3) has a patch ready to go then :) 21:20 caroline_ and just putting the link "for examples see ..." in the serials chapter 21:20 caroline_ the link to the wiki I mean 21:20 cait1 #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Serial_Pattern_Library Serial pattern library 21:20 cait1 ok 21:20 cait1 :) 21:20 cait1 one reason i'd remove it righ tnow is i am not sure if all the examples are still correct 21:21 cait1 i think the wiki is the better source atm 21:21 LeeJ didn't know about that serial wiki... 21:21 KSorbo[ Question on Server Specs: 21:21 caroline_ I can check that friday if you want 21:21 caroline_ check if the samples are still ok 21:21 LeeJ KSorbo[: we're in the middle of a meeting...if you can wait a few minutes we'll be happy to help you 21:21 cait1 caroline_: I am pretty sure yours are correct, meant te ones in the manual :) 21:22 caroline_ that's what I meant! 21:22 cait1 ah sorry 21:22 caroline_ I will check and copy them to the wiki 21:22 cait1 my brain is a little tired tonight :) 21:22 cait1 caroline_: thx! 21:22 KSorbo[ I have a Ubuntu 16.04 test server with 512M and 1 CPU with 1G swapfile. Koha is very slow, taking 10-15 secs on any screen. What am I doing wrong? Does perl require more cpu/memory than this? 21:22 caroline_ and then I'll remove the chapter 21:22 LeeJ #topic Workflows 21:22 cait1 ok 21:22 cait1 last one 21:22 wahanui rumour has it last one is the first one if you look backwards 21:22 KSorbo[ (SORRY) 21:22 cait1 the chapter with the isbd defualts 21:23 cait1 is that helpful? 21:23 cait1 could we move it? 21:23 LeeJ cait1: I honestly have no opinion on it 21:23 cait1 https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/miscellaneous.html 21:23 cait1 hm didn't quite link 21:23 cait1 i think i ciould get that somewhere i have all 'misc' sorted out 21:24 cait1 the isbd defaults and Koha XSLT Item Types 21:24 caroline_ https://koha-community.org/manual/17.05/html/18_miscellaneous.html#isbd-defaults 21:24 cait1 yep 21:24 cait1 if you got a good idea, let me know please :) 21:24 caroline_ I have no idea what those mean... 21:25 caroline_ Is it for the sys prefs when they say to use default or leave blank? 21:25 caroline_ if we put default it's going to use this? 21:26 caroline_ nooo! cait come back! ;) 21:26 cait sorry, had to restart the laptop:( 21:26 cait frozen 21:27 caroline_ can you see the history or do you need me to copy/paste my questions? 21:27 cait just checed history 21:27 cait it's the default values for the ibsd sysprefs 21:27 LeeJ cait caroline_are there any other "stray" or "out of place" sections in the manual that could be grouped with the ISBD defaults? 21:27 cait when you install koha out of the box 21:27 cait the xslt item types ones maybe 21:27 cait lost all my tabs now :( 21:28 cait but i am not even sure if the defaults are current, i am not checking content much right now, just trying to sort 21:28 caroline_ could we just make a page for those defaults and link them from the sys prefs chapter? 21:28 cait https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/miscellaneous.html#koha-xslt-item-types 21:29 cait we could move them into a new chapter, but htat would mean a very small one :) 21:29 caroline_ that way, they wouldn't be a "chapter", but still accessible for ppl who want to know what the defaults are 21:29 cait i am not sure if that works with the way the manual is 21:29 cait as soon as you add a file to the index.rst it appears in the table of contents 21:29 cait adding a hidden page might be problematic 21:30 caroline_ ah, then it won't work. 21:30 cait we could slip then into faq? 21:30 cait them 21:30 cait the itemtypes could also go under cataloguing maybe 21:30 caroline_ is that where the db codes are? 21:30 caroline_ in the faq? 21:30 cait i haven't checked closely yet 21:31 cait hm i will suggest something 21:31 cait i think i got some ideas now 21:32 tcohen @later tell Joubu maybe we can promote timezone per-instance as a new feature? same for 'supporting emojis'. It feels like they are hidden in the release notes, but very important though 21:32 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 21:33 cait tcohen: you are disrupting a docs meeting ;) 21:33 cait LeeJ: move on? 21:33 LeeJ cait caroline_: it seems we have a bit of discussion to do for it, but since they've been in the same place for so long, what say we bench the discussion until next docs release and leave ISBD as is 21:33 LeeJ ? 21:33 caroline_ ok 21:34 LeeJ #action some documentation section moves (specifically ISBD) will be benched until next release cycle 21:34 georgew Sorry, I had to answer an emergency phone call, but are there any other big unweildy defaults like the ISBD defaults? Is there a potential for putting default settings like that in a chapter of ther own? 21:34 cait i'd just wanted to try and reach some kind of 'stable' files number so the translations can be fixed for it :) 21:34 georgew And leaving them where they are till the next version is a great idea too, LeeJ 21:35 cait georgew: i couldn't come up with others so far 21:35 LeeJ alright, if no one has anything else let's move on 21:35 georgew It almost seems like something you'd see in an appendix or endnotes if this were a physical book 21:35 cait the issue is that I'd like to kill the misc chapter, but i will work out a suggestion 21:35 LeeJ #topic Next steps 21:36 LeeJ alright, now that my final exams concluded as of this morning I can dedicate 100% of my time to documentation until the release date 21:36 caroline_ LeeJ+ congrats! 21:36 LeeJ so I'm going to send out an email sometime on Sunday regarding a sprint week for next week 21:36 cait woohoo and congrats! 21:36 LeeJ caroline_: thanks! 21:36 LeeJ sound good to everyone? 21:37 cait yes 21:37 georgew yes 21:37 davidnind sounds good 21:37 LeeJ nice! 21:37 caroline_ I don't know what awaits me next week, but I'll try! 21:37 cait I should be able to spend a lot of a day next week 21:37 LeeJ caroline_: no worries! you've been a great help this whole time :) 21:37 georgew if we do it after Tuesday I'll devote an entire workday to it 21:37 * tcohen is sorry 21:38 LeeJ #action LeeJ will be sending out an email Sunday about the week of May 13 - 19 as a sprint week 21:38 * LeeJ thinks tcohen should be ashamed of himself ;) 21:39 LeeJ alright, I think that about wraps up everything :) 21:39 tcohen LeeJ: hhe 21:39 LeeJ #topic Set time of next meeting 21:40 LeeJ how does June 16th or 17th at the same time work for everyone? if anyone is still interested in helping after the release ;) 21:41 georgew June 17 would be awesome 21:41 cait this is quite late, but i can mak eit work 21:41 cait could we do an hour earlier maybe? 21:41 LeeJ perhaps we can do 14 UTC instead? 21:41 LeeJ I don't have classes now so I can do whenever now :) 21:41 cait 10pm instead of 11pm :) 21:41 caroline_ isn't june 17 a sunday? 21:42 rangi morning 21:42 cait lol 21:42 LeeJ hahah whoops..was looking at may's calendar :P 21:42 LeeJ 14th? 21:42 wahanui rumour has it 14th is fine 21:42 cait you are so bad with dates :) 21:42 LeeJ :( 21:42 cait we like you anyways :) 21:42 LeeJ :D 21:42 cait 14th is fine by me 21:42 caroline_ 13 would be better for me or 14 earlier 21:43 cait next meetings? 21:43 wahanui well, next meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings 21:43 cait no conflicts for both dates 21:43 LeeJ how about June 14th at 14 UTC? 21:43 cait maybe 13th? 21:44 LeeJ ah right 21:44 LeeJ 13th at 14 UTC it is! 21:44 georgew see you then 21:44 caroline_ works for me 21:44 cait thx LeeJ 21:44 LeeJ #info Next meeting: 13 June 2018, 14 UTC 21:44 cait LeeJ++ 21:44 LeeJ #endmeeting 21:44 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 9 21:44:44 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 21:44 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-21.05.html 21:44 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-21.05.txt 21:44 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_9_may_2018.2018-05-09-21.05.log.html 21:44 LeeJ thanks for coming everyone! 21:44 davidnind LeeJ++ 21:44 caroline_ see you soon everyone! 21:45 LeeJ cait++ caroline_++ davidnind++ georgew++