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00:08 huginn mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 5 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Joubu> same for batch record edit
02:59 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
05:41 calire morning #koha
05:59 fridolin hiiii
06:02 magnuse \o/
06:03 calire hi magnuse
06:03 wahanui kamelåså
06:03 magnuse guten morgen calire
06:03 magnuse wie geht's?
06:04 calire ganz gut, danke :)
06:04 calire and you?
06:06 cait good morning all :)
06:10 rone hello
06:10 wahanui salut, rone
06:14 rone some body there?
06:32 alex_a bonjour
06:32 wahanui hey, alex_a
06:37 reiveune hello
07:04 magnuse calire: busy...
07:05 calire :)
07:36 gaetan_B hello
07:36 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B
11:39 oleonard Hi #koha
11:40 kidclamp hi oleonard
11:40 wahanui hi olé onard
11:51 calire hi oleonard
11:51 wahanui hi dear loon
13:27 marcelr hi #koha
13:28 tcohen Hi
13:29 Joubu we have a new translation server :)
13:30 Joubu "Fix critical errors 192,205"
13:30 Joubu outhc
13:30 josef_moravec Hi marcelr, tcohen, Joubu
13:31 marcelr o/
13:34 tcohen bgkriegel++
13:42 Shane-S So my Librarian is complaining that the system is slow...so I just ran in and she said its with circulation checkin and checkout
13:43 Shane-S anything I can check to speed that up, running Koha 7.11 w/memcache running
13:43 Shane-S KiB Mem : 8175032 total, 3084012 free, 821440 used, 4269580 buff/cache KiB Swap: 1003516 total, 1003516 free, 0 used. 7010336 avail Mem
13:46 * andreashm waves
13:47 Joubu Shane-S: go to the about page and search for warnings
13:47 caroline hey all, is it just me or is the link "Guided reports wizard" in the reports page totally useless? It only leads to a page where there are four button/links which are also on the main reports page
13:50 kidclamp caroline, looks to be removed in master
13:50 caroline I still see it, but I have not updated my master in a while
13:50 caroline I will check
13:50 caroline tahnks! :)
13:51 Shane-S Joubu: I have this one...on SysInfo
13:51 Shane-S You are missing the <template_cache_dir> entry in your koha-conf.xml file. That will bring a performance boost to enable it.
13:51 Shane-S Would that make a huge impact?
13:52 Joubu nope
13:52 Shane-S Perl Modules I gave 6 red boxes...not sure they should eb addresses or not.
13:52 Joubu nothing about plack?
13:53 Shane-S Test::DBIx::Class (0.42),HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench (0.73), Readonly::XS (0.01), WebService::ILS (0.17)
13:53 Shane-S all not installed
13:53 Joubu they are not mandatory
13:54 caroline @kidclamp, wow, it looks really different! Thanks for pointing it out!
13:54 huginn caroline: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
13:54 Shane-S I have to fix the DBMS auto increment, but that is the only warning
13:54 kidclamp Shane-S, do you have TrackLastPatronActivity enabled?
13:54 Joubu you can try tunning the max_requests and number of workers
13:55 oleonard Don't mind huginn, caroline, he just doesn't like it when you put the @ on someone's name
13:55 Shane-S kidclamp: that a system pref, I will search it if so
13:55 caroline that's what i figured... I'm not versed in irc codes
13:55 kidclamp yes, system pref
13:56 caroline Before coming to inlibro last fall, I hadn't used irc since the mid 1990's when the internet was just beginning
13:56 Shane-S kidclamp: its is set to "Don't"
13:56 Joubu dev meeting in few minutes
13:56 Joubu qa_team?
13:56 wahanui somebody said qa_team was alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec
13:56 Joubu rmaints?
13:56 wahanui rmaints is probably kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)
13:57 oleonard Oh you're with Inlibro, caroline? I didn't know that.
13:57 kidclamp not sure then shane-s
13:57 caroline yes, I replaced francois charbonnier
13:57 caroline he's gone on to new challenges
13:57 Shane-S Joubu: okay I will fix my auto increment issue and then check on the request and workers
14:00 Joubu hope you all have cofe, tea, mate or anything with stimulant
14:01 thd Joubu: Sleep is the best stimulant ;)
14:01 Joubu #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 11 April 2018
14:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Apr 11 14:01:37 2018 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_11_april_2018'
14:01 Joubu #topic Introductions
14:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
14:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
14:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
14:02 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, NL
14:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:02 andreashm #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library
14:02 jajm #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre
14:02 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Ústà nad OrlicÃ, Czech Republic
14:02 cc_ #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe
14:02 Joubu #chair kidclamp
14:02 huginn Current chairs: Joubu kidclamp
14:02 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:03 kidclamp in another meeting, may be slow
14:03 Joubu nobody else?
14:03 Joubu #topic Announcements
14:04 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_11_April_2018
14:04 Joubu ^ this is the agenda
14:04 Joubu #info wiki page for the 18.11 roles is created - https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_18.11
14:04 Joubu anyone has something to announce?
14:05 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:05 calire #info Claire Gravely, Germany
14:05 cait sorry to be a little late
14:05 Joubu no worries, do you have something to announce?
14:06 cait only the roles page
14:06 Joubu #topic Update from the Release Manager (18.05)
14:06 cait you already did I think
14:06 cait reading back quickly now
14:06 Joubu I have announced several things at the last general meeting. Everybody reads the minutes so I do not need to repeat everything
14:07 Joubu nothing new since last week
14:07 Joubu #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:07 Joubu rmaints?
14:07 wahanui i guess rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)
14:07 fridolin yep
14:07 fridolin I continue Rmaint 17.05 after 18.05 release
14:08 fridolin i will go to 17.05.18 max
14:08 kidclamp just trying to catch up and push things
14:08 Joubu #topic Updates from the QA team
14:09 cait hard feature freeze is planned for 20th
14:09 cait so we are busy
14:09 cait we'll try to take car eof as many things as possible, but at the moment the queue is still around 70
14:09 cait please rebase/follow-up really quickly if needed
14:10 Joubu yes, please
14:10 Joubu I am also dealing with 40 patches to push but waiting for answers on some of the reports
14:10 wahanui okay, Joubu.
14:10 cait if something doesn't apply I will fail it - because there is not much time to work on follow-ups myself
14:10 cait don't take it personal :)
14:10 cait yes, check your outstanding bugs for comments
14:11 cait it's disappointing to spend time on reviewing and not hear back, especially with the deadline so close
14:11 cait but lots of progress too right now, it's just a lot of things
14:11 cait anyone else from QA?
14:12 marcelr you said it all
14:12 Joubu #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:12 Joubu #topic REST api
14:13 Joubu Does anyone disagree with one of the 4 RDF?
14:13 Joubu RFC
14:14 Joubu there are:
14:14 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Acquisitions_orders_endpoint_RFC
14:14 thd There is an open issue in the wiki descriptionl.
14:14 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Acquisitions_funds_endpoint_RFC
14:14 cait I've left commetns on each
14:14 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Acquisitions_vendors_endpoint_RFC
14:14 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Biblios_endpoint_RFC
14:14 cait some small things about names etc, butnothing big
14:14 Joubu so 3 about ACQ and 1 for the bibliographic record endpoint
14:14 cait like use tax instead of gst (like the gui does already)
14:14 thd users vs patrons for acquisition funds which obviously do not apply to patrons.
14:15 cait but you still use a patron_id i think?
14:15 cait if we stick with terminology
14:15 cait i am not sure we shoud mix, if it's all the same
14:16 cait in koha you always link to a patrons record, staff is not separate, either use one term or the other
14:16 josef_moravec we should keep it consistant I think
14:16 thd I understand the underlying problem is the original specification for Koha.
14:16 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:17 thd Every user is a patron.
14:17 andreashm +1 for consistency
14:17 wahanui i think +1 for consistency is drojf's only opinion
14:17 thd I merely identify that there are open questions in what is proposed for voting.
14:17 Joubu from the page "Note: it would be correct to pick users over patrons in this case. This should be voted, though."
14:18 Joubu so I guess Tomas expected the discussion here and get a decision
14:18 thd I presume that we take the examples as they are and issues such as users vs patrons are for some future prospect of reconsideration.
14:19 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
14:19 Joubu any other concerns about these RFC?
14:19 Joubu something that could be blocker?
14:19 thd Having noted the outstanding issues, I am ready to vote on the proposed form as they stand in the wiki today.
14:20 bag +1 on thd comment
14:20 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University
14:20 cait start vote?
14:20 Joubu #chair cait
14:20 huginn Current chairs: Joubu cait kidclamp
14:21 thd We can revisit the outstanding issues in future as the opportunity arises.
14:21 cait all in one or separate?
14:21 bag all in one (imo)
14:22 thd All in one without objection.
14:22 cait ok
14:22 cait the hardest part is always phrasing the question
14:22 cait #startvote To vote: RFC endpoints for orders, funds and vendors in acq, biblios. Do you agree with the RFCs and comments as they are? (yes,no,abstain)
14:22 huginn Begin voting on: To vote: RFC endpoints for orders, funds and vendors in acq, biblios. Do you agree with the RFCs and comments as they are? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, .
14:22 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:23 greenjimll #vote yes
14:23 Joubu #vote abstain
14:23 cait #vote yes
14:23 thd #vote yes
14:23 cc_ #vote abstain
14:23 bag #vote yes
14:23 jajm #vote abstain
14:23 oleonard #vote abstain
14:24 cait giving it a few more seconds
14:24 cait #endvote
14:24 huginn Voted on "To vote: RFC endpoints for orders, funds and vendors in acq, biblios. Do you agree with the RFCs and comments as they are?" Results are
14:24 huginn yes (4): greenjimll, cait, bag, thd
14:24 huginn abstain (4): Joubu, oleonard, cc_, jajm
14:24 josef_moravec #vote yes
14:24 andreashm #vote yes
14:24 marcelr #vote yes
14:24 Joubu toooo late guys
14:24 marcelr haha
14:24 khall #vote yes
14:24 cait people, pay attention
14:24 thd :)\
14:25 cait #agreed RFCs for funds, vendors, orders and biblios have been agreed upon, no blocker concerns, write the code and then we adjust.
14:25 Joubu my concerns, not about the RFC: REST API endpoints must be written with already moved code
14:25 Joubu and ACQ code is not moved at all (even not started)
14:25 cait #info 4 yes, 4 lates yes and 4 abstains
14:25 josef_moravec Joubu++
14:25 cait Joubu: i see the conflict, but we need the apis for acq
14:26 Joubu to me it will be very difficult to write orders (order lines) end points with the code we have in C4::Acq
14:26 cait maybe it could be a separate discussion
14:26 Joubu which is very shitty
14:26 Joubu (I know I wrote big part of it)
14:26 cait how to tackel them exactly
14:27 cait shoudl we also vote patrons vs users?
14:27 cc_ yes lots of underlying issues in acq design
14:27 bag would be good to vote on that cait
14:27 cait can you help me phrase the question?
14:27 marcelr cait: what is the link for that one ?
14:27 cait i think at the moment it's if we shoudl use it on funds
14:28 cait comment here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Acquisitions_funds_endpoint_RFC
14:28 cait Note: it would be correct to pick users over patrons in this case. This should be voted, though.
14:28 cait funds can be linked to 1-many users that can 'use ' them
14:28 marcelr yeah fund user sounds better than fund patron
14:28 cait you still will link it to a patron record
14:28 cait i thnk mixing might get difficult, but ready to abstain
14:29 bag so cait you think having users in acqs and then having patrons on other areas of Koha - is too confusing?
14:29 cait #startvote Should we use users instead of patron in the case of the funds RFC (users /patrons able to use a specific fund for odering)? (yes,no,abstain)
14:29 huginn Begin voting on: Should we use users instead of patron in the case of the funds RFC (users /patrons able to use a specific fund for odering)? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, .
14:29 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:29 greenjimll #vote yes
14:29 cc_ #vote yes
14:29 Joubu there is also the owner, so "users" and "owner" make perfect sense
14:29 cait bag: it will still be patron_id I think
14:30 Joubu #vote yes
14:30 marcelr #vote yes
14:30 bag right <thinking>
14:30 thd #vote yes
14:30 oleonard #vote yes
14:30 josef_moravec #vote abstain
14:30 bag #vote yes
14:30 cait #vote yes (turned by the argument of owners)
14:30 huginn cait: yes (turned by the argument of owners) is not a valid option. Valid options are , yes, no, abstain, .
14:30 andreashm #vote abstain
14:30 kidclamp #vote yes
14:30 jajm #vote yes
14:30 cait #vote yes
14:30 * ashimema catches up
14:30 cait few more seconds
14:30 cait people concentrate!
14:30 ashimema #vote yes
14:31 marcelr :)
14:31 cait #endvote
14:31 huginn Voted on "Should we use users instead of patron in the case of the funds RFC (users /patrons able to use a specific fund for odering)?" Results are
14:31 huginn yes (11): Joubu, greenjimll, cc_, cait, kidclamp, oleonard, ashimema, jajm, marcelr, bag, thd
14:31 huginn abstain (2): andreashm, josef_moravec
14:31 cait #agreed We will users in the case of the funds RFC (11 yes, 2 abstain)
14:31 cait done
14:31 cait can someoen help with oauth?
14:31 Joubu moving ong?
14:31 Joubu #topic REST API Authentication
14:31 Joubu jajm: ?
14:32 * ashimema thinks we should say 'users everywhere in the api' as apposed to 'in this case'
14:32 cait ashimema: that woudl mean changing already voted on rfcs which I'd wanted to avoid in this case
14:32 jajm i think we need to discuss what to do with oauth2, scopes, and patron's permissions
14:32 cait ashimema: something we can discuss later again
14:32 ashimema is the api versioned yet
14:33 cait jajm: how does the proposal work? i create an api-key for an existing patron, the permission the patron has will be used?
14:33 * ashimema will refrain from asking questions now and have a catch up session with cait/tomas or someone later
14:33 cait because that would sound ok for e right nwo
14:33 Joubu As RM I'd like to know if we can expect to see this REST API auth work into 18.05 or if it is too late
14:33 greenjimll With OAuth2, are we talking client-confidential flows? Using JWT tokens?
14:33 jajm the code in bug 20402 only allow to define "API clients" in koha-conf.xml, not linked to any koha patron
14:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Implement OAuth2 authentication for REST API
14:34 jajm greenjimll, client crendentials yes, no jwt tokens
14:34 cait jajm: but how do you figure what they are allowed todo?
14:34 * ashimema will read that code before commenting
14:35 cait maybe that's the best approach to comment on the bug itself?
14:35 jajm cait, as an example the code allow to define scopes for each API client (ex. "patrons.read"), the scopes needed to access a specific resource is defined in the swagger schema
14:35 greenjimll jajm: The reason for not having JWT tokens? They're in common use (eg Google REST APIs)
14:36 jajm greenjimll, i just wanted a minimal working implementation
14:36 cait i think one of the basic questions is if we can finish something or 18.05
14:36 cait my impression was that we haven't defined scopes yet, is that right?
14:36 jajm cait, you're right
14:36 greenjimll Isn't 18.05 freeze in 9 days? That's tight!
14:36 cait yep
14:36 marcelr too late..
14:36 cait so is there something reasonable that we can do for 18.05
14:37 cait i think people voiced a need for this in order to continue with implementing links with Coral
14:37 cait which would be a good argument for me to provide something earlier than later, but not sure how doable it is
14:37 matts links with anything outside of Koha itself, in fact
14:37 andreashm Something that works better than cookies is needed. But other than that, I have no opinion on how it is built
14:38 jajm i think the only thing we can do before feature freeze is to remove the "scopes" stuff, and tie an API client with an existing Koha patron, so that we can use the permissions the patron
14:38 andreashm starting simple seems viable to me. doing something for 18.05 seems tight though.
14:38 josef_moravec If it is doable for 18.05 I am for it
14:38 andreashm +1
14:38 matts +1
14:38 thd Do we allow backporting after release?
14:38 cait +1 i think we need to offer something now
14:39 Joubu who's working on bug 20402?
14:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Implement OAuth2 authentication for REST API
14:39 cait jajm: do you have time to work on it?
14:39 cait i think maybe also tomas, for qa we#d have to check then
14:40 jajm Joubu, I will, if everyone agree
14:40 cait josef_moravec: maybe you for qa? feasable?
14:42 * oleonard watches everyone disappear
14:44 bag hiya oleonard
14:45 * oleonard wonders if half of the meeting is now taking place in an alternate dimension
14:46 thd Was there another earthquake wherever OFTC houses its servers?
14:47 cait i think the question was about how not to force everyone to discover the smae things :)
14:47 cait like put a warning somewher that a specific database update needs a lot of time
14:47 cait so you can plan ahead and are not surprised by it
14:47 Joubu it's 2 meetings in a row with IRC explosion...
14:47 ashimema release notes?
14:47 wahanui release notes are in misc/release_notes
14:47 cait they are already created when those things appear in part
14:47 cait i think tht was tuxayo's point at least
14:47 oleonard We meeting HARD, get used to it oftc
14:47 greenjimll Is this warnings that we know about before release, or that become apparent afterwards?
14:48 cait i think appratent afterwards was the issue
14:48 cait but we shoul try to put all the important things int he release notes
14:48 Joubu (resending some messages for the minutes)
14:48 Joubu #action ashimema will read code of bug 20402 and give feedback on the bug report
14:48 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Implement OAuth2 authentication for REST API
14:48 Joubu #action jajm will work on linking to existing patrons, tcohen and josef_moravec will test/qa
14:49 Joubu #info jajm will take a look at the existing Mojolicious plugin (instead of using Net::OAuth2::.. directly)
14:49 cait we got another dev meeting before release
14:49 cait postpone this?
14:49 Joubu About the updates - just assume than updates can be problematic, and test them on a test/pre-prod server
14:50 ashimema +1
14:50 Joubu but yes, we could highlight them in the release notes as well
14:50 cait I think collect on a wiki page if it happens
14:50 marcelr wiki page per release
14:50 ashimema If a db update is likely to take hours then that's certainly something we can predict and put in the release notes I would say
14:50 cait that problems/notes make sense after release
14:50 cait yep
14:51 cait set time and date of next meeting?
14:51 Joubu it's very easy to know if it will be problmatic, just by reading the SQL queries in updatedb.pl
14:51 cait #info try to already note long running db updates in the release notes properly
14:51 * ashimema actually reads the wiki page of release note/upgrade path notes for Mojolicious versions.. something similar would certainly be helpful.
14:51 greenjimll I was thinking more that if we knew something might take a long time up front, a warning could be included as part of the update process?
14:51 Joubu if there is items/biblioitems, etc. it will certainly take ages
14:51 cait Joubu: not everyone will understand them the way we do
14:51 cait think a sysadmin that ususally not works on Koha or with sQL
14:51 cait i know what tuxayo means
14:52 ashimema a warning inlines in the updates won't help I think..
14:52 Joubu I am just worried about the decisions/discussions we have in the meetings ;)
14:52 ashimema - Hey, this thing we're about to do is going to take a while.. but we're not going to give you an option to postpone it
14:52 ashimema not helpfull really is it ;)
14:53 Joubu they are usually lost in blockholes
14:53 greenjimll More helpful than silence.
14:53 Joubu blackholes
14:53 ashimema mm
14:53 cait let's move on?
14:53 Joubu 1sec
14:53 Joubu we talked about moving the print line of the updateDB *before* the execution
14:54 Joubu that could give information on what is going on
14:54 ashimema that would be nice
14:54 Joubu (no idea if someone opened a bug report)
14:54 marcelr or just occassionally print a extra line
14:54 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting
14:55 Joubu April 25th?
14:55 Joubu Next meeting: 25 April 2018, 20 UTC?
14:55 cait will be travelling
14:55 greenjimll +1
14:55 calire me too
14:55 Joubu Next meeting: 25 April 2018, 21 UTC?
14:56 greenjimll yes
14:56 Joubu #info Next meeting: 25 April 2018, 21 UTC
14:56 Joubu 3
14:56 thd Yes
14:56 Joubu 2
14:56 Joubu 1
14:56 Joubu #endmeeting
14:56 huginn Meeting ended Wed Apr 11 14:56:27 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:56 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_11_april_2018.2018-04-11-14.01.html
14:56 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_11_april_2018.2018-04-11-14.01.txt
14:56 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/development_irc_meeting_11_april_2018.2018-04-11-14.01.log.html
15:00 reiveune bye
15:01 oleonard Joubu++
15:01 oleonard Thanks for chairing
15:05 Joubu @later tell marcelr Koha::Cache::Memory::Lite is not buggy, it's flushed correctly
15:05 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:17 oleonard Thanks for the signoff on Bug 18791 calire!
15:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18791 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add the ability for librarians to easily copy, download or print DataTables based tables in Koha
15:20 calire you're welcome
15:22 tuxayo cait++
15:23 tuxayo Thanks for developing on the issue that I wrote about for the meeting. Too bad I missed the date.
15:27 Joubu tuxayo: how did you miss it?
15:27 Joubu seen the Koha calendar?
15:27 wahanui I haven't seen 'the', Joubu
15:28 * ashimema is getting angry whilst reading ::Objects code
15:33 tuxayo lol wahanui
15:33 tuxayo Joubu: I wrote about this the 8 march when the meeting was planned for the 15 march. I didn't keep track of when it was rescheduled.
15:36 Joubu ashimema: hum? Can you be more explicit?
15:38 Shane-S So...I can't duplicate this off-site, but a user called me saying doing check-in / checkout they keep getting the "add Message" pop coming up and that checking the immediately show checkouts box isn't enabled across patrons
15:38 Shane-S Is there anything aside from a browser cache issue that would cause that?
15:46 Shane-S on another matter...I did the auto increment files, and tailed the logs...got no errors, but the SysInfo page still says I have auto-increment issues...do I have to re-boot the whole server?
15:46 Shane-S I followed https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DBMS_auto_increment_fix
15:48 Shane-S I should not my my.cnf did not have a [mysqld] directive, I added that and 2 init-file= lines as I have 2 instances
15:58 Joubu Shane-S: re-read the page, you need to fix the "corrupted data" first
16:01 Shane-S ...uhh...as in just purge the records or what?
16:08 Joubu Shane-S: what tells the about page?
16:08 Shane-S I got it...I saw the bug 19016 reference and didnt read next line
16:08 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19016 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add a script to fix corrupted data
16:08 Shane-S one possible fix is to delete the entries in the deleted* and old* tables matching the IDs listed on the about page.
16:09 Shane-S Sorry to be a PITA with missing that line
16:11 tcohen hi
16:11 wahanui hi, tcohen
16:13 Joubu Shane-S: you are going to lose data but yes it's the easiest fix. It depends on the number of corrupted rows you have
16:13 Shane-S 1 for 1 instance, and 4 in another instance
16:16 Joubu from old_issues? or something else?
16:17 Shane-S deleteditems (1 koha & 2 woodburhts) and old_reserves (2 woodburyhts) those are instance names
16:18 Shane-S i deleted all the record in the the deleted and old tables
16:18 Shane-S well the reported issues record
16:18 Shane-S not *all* that was poor word choice
16:19 Shane-S okay warning page just have the <template_cache_dir> warning and that is it
16:22 Shane-S Anyone recommend a good image paste bin...FFx is rendering the OPAC odd at the top...is a blue bar over the header image and menu bar
16:27 Joubu Shane-S: https://lut.im/
16:28 Shane-S actually nm...just one instance, I have to check my custom CSS
16:28 Shane-S ty though
16:29 tcohen Joubu: are the release notes rebuilt regularly for us to take a look?
16:31 Joubu yes
16:32 Joubu I regenerate them just after pushing stuffs
16:34 pastebot "tcohen" at 200.16.23.4 pasted "Joubu: the orders endpoint controller" (336 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/208
16:35 tcohen Joubu: that's only to show that current Koha::Acquisition::Order(s) code is perfectly suitable for implementing the orders endpoint as-is
16:35 tcohen the only problem I'm facing is that other Koha::Object-based classes behave differently regarding DBIC exceptions, and I think we should make it behave as the others
16:35 tcohen for consistency
16:37 * tcohen adds that this controller is not ready because there's the idea to make it automatically create baskest if no basket_id is passed (Coral use cases)
16:41 tcohen release notes?
16:41 wahanui release notes are in misc/release_notes
16:48 Joubu https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/blob/master/release_notes_17_12_00.md
16:49 Joubu hum, buggy
16:55 Shane-S grr..I can't find the right CSS element to change the header background from black to a gradient...
16:56 Shane-S tried .navbar div.navbar #header-region all get over-ridden
17:07 Shane-S Anyone know what OPAC CSS class is giving the Koha nav bar (top bar) the black color
17:07 Shane-S I can't find it with Chrome Inspector
17:08 Shane-S only black I am finding is for color: #33333; in the Body{} and that should be for font colors
17:12 Joubu black? it's all blue
17:16 Joubu khall: ping on bug 12123, can you share an example that breaks the display/js please?
17:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12123 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , HTML notices can break the notice viewer
17:22 Joubu @later tell kidclamp did not you write a patch to remove the ability to delete "core" notice templates?
17:22 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:24 oleonard Shane-S: .navbar-inverse .navbar-inner { background: linear-gradient(to bottom,#194e87 0,#0f3666 100%); }
17:32 Joubu kidclamp: bug 20562 is major, right? regression?
17:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20562 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , issue_id is not stored in accountlines for rental fees
17:33 khall Joubu: kidclamp working on a patch right now
17:33 Joubu ok
17:34 Shane-S Joubu: http://library.npelem.com/ I see black on MacBookPro
17:35 Shane-S oleonard: TY! http://whes.npelem.com/ works
17:36 Joubu heh... opac... sorry
17:37 Shane-S np, figured that was what you meant with all blue...but I also pulled my data from a 3.20 install...so wasn't sure of a color preference carried over
17:38 * tcohen uploaded an image: image.png (245KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/iBurjsraiATnGHqdrCHrcqml>
17:39 Shane-S There anyway to send donations like coffee/beer money to the project?
17:40 Shane-S Only because I feel bad as I don't contribute and I have used Koha now for 4 years in my building
17:40 tcohen Shane-S: kohacon18?
17:41 Joubu Shane-S: test patches!!
17:41 Joubu join the documentation team
17:42 oleonard Mail cookies to developers!
17:42 Joubu Shane-S: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Getting_involved
17:42 khall Joubu: kidclamp patch for 20562 is up
17:43 Shane-S bug 7646 I have tried :)
17:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ssammons, Failed QA , Printing w/o the SQL Code showing
17:44 Shane-S Just never have time to code much I have 300 kids breaking chromebooks all day :)
17:44 Shane-S I had to use Easter Break to migrate the server, where will KohaCon 2018 be?
17:45 Shane-S Any chance North Carolina (I want to take a trip down there anyway)
17:45 oleonard Portland, Oregon
17:45 oleonard So, maybe it's on the way?
17:46 tcohen Shane-S: http://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/
17:46 Shane-S Not...quite...Im in New Jersey....but maybe
17:46 tcohen we pick a different continent each year
17:47 tcohen Shane-S: you still owe those cookies, you better think seriously about it
17:47 tcohen he
17:49 Shane-S well I have to give some to damn near the whole channel...plane ticket and pizzas might be cheaper in Portland
17:49 Shane-S who am I kidding, I have a 2yr old and a newborn, my wife isn't letting me go anywhere unless she is set free too :)
17:55 Joubu #action Shane-S send cookies to the whole channel
18:45 Joubu josef_moravec: "with ISE"?
18:46 josef_moravec Joubu: yes, i was looking into developer tools/network panel, ajax calling of /svc/letters/preview returns 500 Internal server error
18:50 Joubu josef_moravec: got it, thanks!
18:50 josef_moravec Joubu: great
18:53 roch Is the qa-tools supposed to tell me if my commit messsages are invalid ? I ran the tools on my commits for this issues https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12747 but it showed no errors
18:53 huginn Bug 12747: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, david.bourgault, Failed QA , Add extra column in Z3950 search result
18:53 oleonard Bug 12747 - Add extra column in Z3950 search ...should be: Bug 12747: Add extra column in Z3950 search
18:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, david.bourgault, Failed QA , Add extra column in Z3950 search result
18:54 oleonard colon instead of hyphen
18:55 roch woops! I missed that. Thanks :)
18:56 Joubu josef_moravec: follow-up submitted. But... if you are going to PQA it, you should ask oleonard to rebase bug 18007
18:56 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Interface updates to notices and notice previews
18:56 oleonard Easy to miss
18:57 Joubu roch: did you update the qa-tools repo?
18:57 oleonard Bye all
19:02 Joubu khall: I do not understand your answer on bug 20562, but just realised I made a typo, it was "or", not "of"
19:02 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20562 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , issue_id is not stored in accountlines for rental fees
19:03 Joubu I wanted to know if it was a regression (in that case we should find the cause) or if the problem exists since issue_id has been added to this table (long time ago iirc)
19:03 khall Joubu: it's a bug, but not a regression
19:03 Joubu since 3.22 then, that's bad
19:03 khall you are exactly right, it we never implemented when issue_id was added to accountlines
19:06 roch Joubu using qa-tools from github, I tried to update but nothing new. last commit was on 2014-08-18 13:07 , is there a more recent version somewhere?
19:07 Joubu outch, yes, a lot
19:07 Joubu a lot of commits
19:07 Joubu https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools
19:07 Joubu qa-test-tools is https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools
19:07 Joubu qa-tools is https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools
19:07 Joubu qa-tools?
19:08 Joubu wahanui: qa-tools?
19:08 Joubu wahanui: hi stupid bot!
19:08 wahanui well, qa-tools is https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools
19:08 wahanui qa-tools is https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools
19:08 wahanui Joubu: i'm not following you...
19:09 Joubu yes, too slow
19:10 Joubu not stupid, just slow. Sorry wahanui
19:10 roch OK thanks! We were up to date with the version on github - from 2014!!
19:12 Joubu it has been announced on the list I think
19:51 bag @seen cait
19:51 huginn bag: cait was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 56 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <cait> will be travelling
19:51 bag ahh
19:54 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19289: DBRev 17.12.00.027 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=55abcbee5323b16071392cdc3f0dc38b0f1c3cfe>
19:54 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18674: (QA follow-up) Add date and time <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a3d12e35e20766a2175c68f870a48058a25d6ec>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19904: (follow-up) Add Nick Clemens as RM assistant <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9b824559d336150afb27836c2c8e36ca3ad4900>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20552: Fix HTML tag for search facets <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd0469132cf5aee7fded7e69949b4e6e2e54694b>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19289: (follow-up) Add existing fields to the ACQ framework <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad2b04001fe3100a5caeafbbdd5ea56a6ff65e1a>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19904: Release team for 18.05 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e41df9101667304a09da007e7ef1104c4fdfeb6>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20540: (follow-up) Remove debug line <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccc71f6cf13334d554cad74ae85df2e8be3e3649>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20540: Fix TransformHtmlToXml if last tag is empty <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc8f3dc1cc046ecd7d53349091fbba864dfb91c9>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19289: Extend size of inputs to 50 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=198096ffab71ced1aa6ce453ee5c08fc43d0b5d3>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20536: (ILL) authnotrequired should be explicitly unset on opac <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=84d6c23eddf8744a61e06432b0f443753138d7f2>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20518: Don't show "Messages" header and link on patron details if there are no... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3b8f17395f05548c87129d286a3f49d0b171e0b>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19289: Use copyrightdate instead of publicationyear for MARC21 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=30faa632e95362e0f80cf42f9fa37e96047e4a74>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20104: Update minimum version of Perl to 5.20 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4218875ec039dc375124f969caea1624399c21a4>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19289: Use jQuery validate plugin <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=946d5bcdd2ccaefaba2596b8be1278781d1cc482>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 9634: Allow for combining same paraneters in SQL reports <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8acf5912b3fd213b8bcb3e7ee9b47f7cb086002b>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19538: Move EnableAdvancedCatalogingEdtor from 'Labs' to 'Cataloging' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=999f2ed7e9e56dda254308f9bbbc85dcc66a160c>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18625: (QA follow-up) Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e9c703d2bef25f7ada760952d3e070203376a05>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19289: Add existing fields to the ACQ framework <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d632da51c80f9c4215c6952793353803038d98d3>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19289: Use the ACQ framework to display bibliographic details <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=84ce1fb5921cdddf2368f0c330dede0f602742d0>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18625: (QA follow-up) Simplify update_lastseen <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8b6fde9b7f59ba32f4726f55acb6f803c7816d6>
19:55 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18625: Update lastseen in patron info request <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=654d8c0cfd6cd2643e2deed7bb18618ea740cace>
20:25 cait helo
20:25 cait hello even
20:25 cait did i miss it?
20:30 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #429: UNSTABLE in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/429/
20:30 jenkins * kyle: Bug 20123: Allow multiple instances of Koha to have different timezones
20:30 jenkins * kyle: Bug 20123: (QA follow-up) If tz is 'local', no need to tell database to
20:30 jenkins * kyle: Bug 20123: Add commented out example to koha-conf.xml
20:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20123 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow multiple instances of Koha to have different timezones on the same server
20:30 jenkins * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20123: Make the timezone entry empty and uncommented by default
20:30 jenkins * mtompset: Bug 18674: Added timezone information to about page
20:30 jenkins * mtompset: Bug 18674: Allow TZ SetEnv for plack
20:30 jenkins * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 18674: Style changes to match other entries
20:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Show timezone for Perl and MySQL on the About Koha page
20:30 jenkins * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 18674: TZ error handling
20:30 jenkins * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 18674: (QA follow-up) Add date and time
20:30 jenkins * Nick Clemens: Bug 9634: Allow for combining same paraneters in SQL reports
20:30 jenkins * oleonard: Bug 20518: Don't show "Messages" header and link on patron details if
20:30 jenkins * Nick Clemens: Bug 19538: Move EnableAdvancedCatalogingEdtor from 'Labs' to
20:30 jenkins * claire.gravely: Bug 20552: Fix HTML tag for search facets
20:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports
20:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't show "Messages" header and link on patron details if there are no messages
20:30 jenkins * martin.renvoize: Bug 20536: (ILL) authnotrequired should be explicitly unset on opac
20:30 jenkins * mtompset: Bug 20104: Update minimum version of Perl to 5.20
20:30 jenkins * Nick Clemens: Bug 18625: (QA follow-up) Unit tests
20:30 jenkins * colin.campbell: Bug 18625: Update lastseen in patron info request
20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19538 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Advanced editor - Rancor - Move syspref from labs to cataloging and remove experimental note
20:31 jenkins * m.de.rooy: Bug 18625: (QA follow-up) Simplify update_lastseen
20:31 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20540: Fix TransformHtmlToXml if last tag is empty
20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20552 minor, P5 - low, ---, claire_gravely, Pushed to Master , Fix HTML tag for search facets
20:31 jenkins * katrin.fischer: Bug 20540: (follow-up) Remove debug line
20:31 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19289: Add existing fields to the ACQ framework
20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20536 trivial, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , ILL: authnotrequired not explicitly unset
20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20104 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Update minimum version of Perl to 5.20
20:31 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19289: Use the ACQ framework to display bibliographic details
20:31 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19289: Use jQuery validate plugin
20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Update borrower last seen from SIP
20:31 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19289: Use copyrightdate instead of publicationyear for MARC21
20:31 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19289: Extend size of inputs to 50
20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20540 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , TransformHtmlToXml can duplicate </datafield>
20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19289 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Allow configuration of the fields on the 'Catalog details' form in the acquisition baskets
20:31 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19289: (follow-up) Add existing fields to the ACQ framework
20:31 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19289: DBRev 17.12.00.027
20:31 jenkins * m.de.rooy: Bug 19904: Release team for 18.05
20:31 jenkins * m.de.rooy: Bug 19904: (follow-up) Add Nick Clemens as RM assistant
20:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Release team 18.05
21:01 * LeeJ waves
21:01 LeeJ hi #koha
21:01 LeeJ cait: I'm around now :)
21:01 LeeJ haha
21:01 davidnind waves
21:01 LeeJ hi davidnind
21:01 cait hi all
21:01 LeeJ just catching my breath and we'll start in a sec :)
21:01 davidnind hi all as well
21:01 clintD good morning
21:01 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
21:01 cait my internet connection is not very stabl
21:01 cait e
21:02 cait i might get kicked out, but hope not
21:02 LeeJ cait: no worries :)
21:02 LeeJ shall we begin?
21:02 Joubu #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 11 April 2018
21:02 huginn Meeting started Wed Apr 11 21:02:30 2018 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:02 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_11_april_2018'
21:02 Joubu #topic Introductions
21:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
21:02 Joubu #chair LeeJ
21:02 huginn Current chairs: Joubu LeeJ
21:02 Joubu #chair cait
21:02 huginn Current chairs: Joubu LeeJ cait
21:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
21:02 LeeJ #info LeeJ, Marywood University
21:03 georgew #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
21:03 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
21:03 cait #Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
21:03 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
21:03 clintD #Clint Deckard, Anact, New Zealand
21:03 LeeJ #topic What's been done so far
21:04 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_11_April_2018
21:04 LeeJ #info documentation (GitLab) training webinar was held as scheduled per last meeting's minutes by LeeJ
21:04 indradg #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, India.
21:05 LeeJ hello all :)
21:05 LeeJ has anyone not been added to the kohadocs Taiga who wishes to be?
21:05 Joubu #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/
21:06 LeeJ I'll take the silence as a no :)
21:06 LeeJ #topic Workflows
21:07 LeeJ Joubu cait I was hoping for brief clarification..how has it been handled in the past when a docs bug has been filed for the documentation but also might apply to the code base?
21:07 LeeJ Bug 20555
21:07 LeeJ as an example
21:08 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , usage() function in cleanup_database.pl needs refactoring
21:08 LeeJ whoops! wrong bug xD
21:08 LeeJ actually that was right
21:09 Joubu there is a "Manual" keyword
21:09 Joubu I'd use it to tell the documentation team needs to adapt the manual
21:09 LeeJ okay
21:10 LeeJ because I'm taking the time right after the meeting to updating the edit the manual wiki with a proper procedure
21:10 tcohen Joubu: added a followup on bug 20123
21:10 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20123 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow multiple instances of Koha to have different timezones on the same server
21:12 cait :(
21:12 LeeJ hmm..anyone have a suggestion on how to update cleanup_database.pl per the bug/process of it?
21:12 davidnind that will be useful, just trying to work through the workflow - will try with something easy first, then get stuck in
21:13 * cait gets out the duct tape
21:13 LeeJ davidnind: I'm always available to assist
21:13 tcohen @seen Joubu
21:13 huginn tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 minutes and 53 seconds ago: <Joubu> I'd use it to tell the documentation team needs to adapt the manual
21:13 cait LeeJ: i tihnk fix the script first, manual second
21:13 LeeJ cait: right
21:14 davidnind virtual duck tape, does it exist, where can I buy some?
21:15 LeeJ Joubu: I think it would be your call on how best to word the -m flag..I'll admit I'm somewhat confused how it should be updated
21:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20123: (follow-up) Mock timezone in t/Auth_with_shibboleth.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5229fd68b13e69b47349e9b5c986a6243ee69c6>
21:16 Joubu LeeJ: let's talk about it on the bug report later ;)
21:16 LeeJ I want to thank barton for providing that bug..we can use it as training :)
21:16 LeeJ Joubu: sounds good
21:16 LeeJ I digress
21:17 LeeJ #info LeeJ will update the Editing the Manual wiki page with a standardized workflow for handling documentation/documentation bugs
21:18 LeeJ #info Joubu is still in need of feedback on Bug 19817
21:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations
21:18 LeeJ anything to add from anyone before the next topic?
21:19 LeeJ #topic Next steps
21:20 LeeJ #info LeeJ will be sending out a Doodle poll to schedule a sprint day to hopefully get everyone organized..whatever day is picked he will make himself available the whole day
21:21 Joubu Where can we see the progress on documentation of the 18.05 new features?
21:21 davidnind excellent idea!
21:21 cait1 :)
21:21 cait1 if you pick a day after 20th i will try to join
21:21 caroline it would be before the 18,05 release?
21:22 LeeJ Joubu: I'll bang out the details of that when I get home from work because I needed to pick your brain on that very topic
21:22 LeeJ caroline: yes :)
21:22 LeeJ the goal of the sprint day is to catch the documentation up to the current status of the 18.05 code base
21:23 LeeJ dotting our i's and crossing our t's so to speak
21:23 davidnind I guess it should be in Taiga, I can go through and add all the bugs from Bugzilla for 18.05 commits
21:24 caroline +1
21:24 cait1 davidnind++
21:24 LeeJ davidnind that would be a big help
21:24 LeeJ davidnind++
21:24 davidnind then we can make sure the release notes are covered off for each item
21:24 davidnind will start on this this evening
21:24 cait1 davidnind: i think there are some preliminary release notes you could use as base
21:24 LeeJ I like the way you think :)
21:25 cait1 Joubu: does the page still exist?
21:25 Joubu since the beginning of the release cycle, yes
21:25 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS
21:25 Joubu release notse?
21:25 Joubu release notes?
21:25 wahanui release notes are in misc/release_notes
21:25 davidnind they are always a good starting point, will probably need some tweaking to reflect how people use Koha
21:25 LeeJ :O
21:25 barton (better late than never)
21:25 Joubu release notes is https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/blob/master/release_notes_17_12_00.md
21:25 cait1 Joubu: lost the link :(
21:26 davidnind the new features and enhancements will probably require the most work :)
21:26 LeeJ agreed davidnind
21:26 Joubu release notes is https://gitlab.com/joubu/koha-release-notes/blob/master/release_notes_17_12_00.md
21:26 caroline they're the most useful, they should be priority
21:26 Joubu (I have forced pushed and it seems it has not been synced)
21:27 davidnind although sometimes bug fixes can take up time as you try and work out what the problem is..was...
21:27 LeeJ Joubu++ # for the link
21:27 LeeJ davidnind: I'll hop on IRC when I'm home later and see how much we can get done
21:28 davidnind home time for me will be in about 8-9 hours
21:28 LeeJ #info LeeJ will be working with davidnind to update kohadocs with new 18.05 features
21:28 LeeJ davidnind: ahh right. timezones :)
21:29 davidnind I should probably do some work while I'm a work today
21:29 LeeJ anyway..I'll hammer out those details with you later davidnind
21:29 davidnind ;-)
21:29 LeeJ anyone else have anything to add? anything I missed?
21:29 davidnind a.. should be at!
21:30 cait1 i've added something about moving interesting things from the help files to th emanual
21:30 cait1 reconciling them before the help files get removed
21:30 cait1 but as git has it all, that is not as urgent as the new things i think
21:31 LeeJ #idea cait mentioned moving interesting things from help files to the manual
21:32 davidnind I guess it comes down to priorities in the time available to 18.05 - release notes, new features and enhancements documented, manual brought as up-to-date as possible (with sprint day)
21:32 barton I like that idea.
21:33 davidnind cait always has excellent ideas!
21:33 caroline hear hear! :)
21:33 LeeJ davidnind: I think the order should be new features then release notes..minor but still :)
21:33 LeeJ cait1++
21:33 LeeJ #info kohadocs updates will be handled with the priority of new features, release notes, enhancements, etc.
21:34 davidnind that's fine too... better to have a plan than no plan at all
21:34 LeeJ well if no one has anything else, let's figure next meeting time
21:35 LeeJ Joubu: is the 18.05 release around May 28th?
21:35 Joubu May 22th
21:35 cait1 22
21:35 LeeJ ah ok
21:35 LeeJ so then how about next meeting same day same time next month?
21:36 Joubu It will be a Friday
21:36 LeeJ oh dear
21:36 LeeJ hmm
21:36 LeeJ May 9th then?
21:36 Joubu will be a dev meeting
21:37 Joubu but before, like today actually
21:37 Joubu so that's fine
21:37 caroline may 9 works for me
21:37 LeeJ so it'll be 14 UTC for dev?
21:37 Joubu yes
21:37 LeeJ okay
21:37 LeeJ #topic Set time of next meeting
21:38 Joubu #info Next meeting: 9 May 2018, 21 UTC
21:38 LeeJ thank you Joubu :)
21:38 LeeJ #endmeeting
21:38 huginn Meeting ended Wed Apr 11 21:38:31 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
21:38 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_11_april_2018.2018-04-11-21.02.html
21:38 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_11_april_2018.2018-04-11-21.02.txt
21:38 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/documentation_irc_meeting_11_april_2018.2018-04-11-21.02.log.html
21:38 LeeJ thank you all for coming
21:38 davidnind LeeJ++
21:38 LeeJ davidnind++
21:38 caroline Thanks LeeJ
21:38 LeeJ thank you for coming caroline
21:39 LeeJ alright! Time to head home then log back in at some point! :D
21:39 Joubu bye #koha
21:39 davidnind have a great day/evening everyone!
21:40 clintD davidnind was the doc webinar recorded anywhere?
21:41 cait1 davidnind++ # awesome job on twitter, wiki and everywhere
21:42 davidnind it wasn't ClintD, hopefully LeeJ's updates to wiki page should help. I'm sure he'd be happy to do a quick walk through for you.
21:42 davidnind I think LeeJ had an earlier video he recorded, will find the link for this if I can and send it to you
21:42 clintD ok, thank you
21:43 cait1 it's on the editing the manual?
21:43 cait1 page
21:43 cait1 editing manual?
21:43 cait1 hm
21:44 cait1 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual
21:44 cait1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwH7-wO2Gs
21:45 clintD thank you cait, got that
21:45 davidnind cait1: :-[, just learning my way at the moment with Twitter - trying not to post too much - there is a lot happening around the world with Koha
21:45 davidnind cait++ should have thought of that!
21:45 cait1 I think you do very well
21:46 cait1 there is a lot of buzz from other projects in library space and we have been very quiet
21:46 cait1 it's good to see that changed
21:47 davidnind I hope it will help - my initial 'plan' is to focus on 1) sharing what's happening in the community (events, meetings, etc)
21:48 davidnind 2) raising awareness (new Koha libraries, usage, case studies, etc)
21:49 davidnind 3) help with learning about Koha: features, tips, useful resources to get the most out of Koha (the manual will certainly help here)
21:49 caroline davidnind where do you get the info? hashtag kohails?
21:50 cait1 excellent plan
21:50 davidnind caroline: #kohails, search for koha + library, community members and support providers (twitter, websites, etc), mailing list
21:50 cait1 if we wanted to make you aware of something
21:50 cait1 what would be the best way?
21:50 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
21:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
21:50 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #430: FIXED in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/430/
21:50 jenkins Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20123: (follow-up) Mock timezone in t/Auth_with_shibboleth.t
21:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20123 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow multiple instances of Koha to have different timezones on the same server
21:51 davidnind have started a list of things I can monitor, including the IRC channel
21:51 davidnind will share this on my git lab account in the next day or two
21:52 davidnind happy for people to send me stuff - david dot nind at gmail dot com
21:52 wizzyrea can also send via twitter eh, by tagging in @kohails
21:52 caroline +1
21:52 cait1 would you also receive a pm to kohails?
21:52 davidnind will add this to social media plan page I intend to add to wiki, to get some initial feedback
21:52 cait1 well direct message
21:54 davidnind cait1: I hope that will work, have access to the kohails account using tweetdeck.twitter.com
21:55 cait1 hm i think dm might be turned off
21:55 cait1 email will work :)
21:56 wizzyrea I don't feel like the community twitter should have DM's turned off
21:56 davidnind will check the tweetdeck manual and test it out this evening
21:56 wizzyrea (until such time as it is say, attracting harassment. Which it probably won't.)
21:56 caroline it may be because it's not always monitored?
21:56 wizzyrea DM's are like email.
21:57 wizzyrea just in twitter.
21:57 caroline if someone sends a dm and never gets an answer, it might not look good
21:57 davidnind Jonathan has the full account login details, will get him to check if I can't change this in TweetDeck
21:57 wizzyrea cool :)
21:57 davidnind wizzyrea: agree!
21:58 cait1 @later LeeJ Bug 20565 - Clearer documentation of date, branches, itemtypes and categorycode parameters in 'Create report from SQL' help page
21:58 huginn cait1: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
21:59 davidnind also item 4) in plan - encourage participation, for example remind about meetings, highlight how community members can contribute such as translation, manual, sign-off, etc
21:59 cait1 i like how you picked up questions
21:59 cait1 sadly i have no idea about what omeka exactly does
22:00 davidnind and, one which I'll see how it works is 5) help with any questions: will resort to posting to mailing list if I can't readily find an answer
22:00 clintD Omeka is a repository for digital resources
22:01 davidnind for sharing digital collections: http://omeka.org/classic/
22:02 davidnind clintD++
22:03 davidnind right, better get back to work! see you all later...
22:30 talljoy hi koha
22:35 talljoy hi cait
23:33 * indradg waves at talljoy
23:34 talljoy hiya indradg
23:35 indradg :)
23:36 talljoy indradg, have you ever seen the 942$s (serial flag) in use?
23:37 indradg talljoy, not that i can recall
23:39 talljoy curious tag. i suspect it is a deprecated tag. i need to find someone from koha 2.0 days
23:41 indradg yeah... i only started on Koha from 2.2
23:42 wizzyrea oh are you migrating out of a 2.0
23:42 talljoy ha. thankfully no!
23:42 wizzyrea those are fun.
23:42 talljoy i had a library ask about the 942$s biblio.serial flag
23:43 wizzyrea git would probably know
23:44 talljoy git would know.
23:45 talljoy i've pinged khall to investigate on my behalf. benefit 1 - he's been around koha a while 2- he know git well.
23:45 talljoy :D
23:46 rangi its just a flag, wether the item is a serial or not, when you add a subscription to a biblio, it flips that to 1, its either on or off