Time  Nick           Message
22:45 mtompset       Does anyone know what 'stress -c 4' is?
19:55 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20191 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , OAI/Server.t still fails on slow servers
19:55 cait           bug 20191
19:55 * cait         enters dimension with a plop
19:49 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
19:49 Joubu          @later tell tcohen: please please please put bug 20191 on top of your todo list (or I am going to remove these OAI tests once and for all)
19:48 * Joubu        is locked in an IRC dimension with jenkins only
19:48 Joubu          (or I am going to remove these OAI tests once and for all)
19:47 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20191 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , OAI/Server.t still fails on slow servers
19:47 Joubu          tcohen: please please please put bug 20191 on top of your todo list
19:46 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
19:46 Joubu          @later tell oleonard about bug 19474, the wiki page does not explain *why* we need that
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19953 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Pushed to Master , Record page: acquisition details: add column for invoice
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Advanced Editor - Rancor - Add warning before leaving page if there are unsaved modifications
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19812 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Holds count in "Already received" table has confusing and unexpected values
19:45 jenkins        * victor.grousset: Bug 19953: Record page: acquisition details: add column for invoice
19:45 jenkins        * jweaver: Bug 19267: Rancor - Warn before leaving page if record modified
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19910 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Download report as 'Comma separated' is misleading
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20008 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Restrictions added from memberentry.pl have expiration date ignored if TimeFormat is 12hr
19:45 jenkins        * kyle: Bug 19812: Fix confusing holds count values in "Already received" table
19:45 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19910: Use span to make translators happy
19:45 jenkins        * Nick Clemens: Bug 19910: Use the delimiter syspref to name download link
19:45 jenkins        * kyle: Bug 20008: Fix restrictions added from memberentry.pl if TimeFormat is
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20115 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Languages appear in a different order in the footer
19:45 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Add information about this feature in the pref descriptions
19:45 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Remove sort on rfc4646_subtag in OPAC templates
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19578 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , TT syntax for notices - There is no way to pre-process DB fields
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20083 normal, P3, ---, arouss1980, Pushed to Stable , Information disclosure when (mis)using the MARC Preview feature
19:45 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Trigger "modified" when sort is changed
19:45 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Make the prefs sortable
19:45 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Set the languages order with the pref values
19:45 jenkins        * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19578: Remove MARC punctuation in notices (TT syntax)
19:45 jenkins        * mtompset: Bug 20083: (follow-up) use same logic in opac-showmarc
19:45 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19223 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add helper methods to plugins to output headers correctly
19:45 jenkins        * arouss1980: Bug 20083: Information disclosure when (mis)using the MARC Preview
19:45 jenkins        * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 19223: Add methods to correctly handle plugin-generated output
19:45 jenkins        * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 19223: Unit tests for output and output_html methods
19:45 jenkins        Project Koha_Master_D8 build #419: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/419/
19:31 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20521 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , dev installations should run with problematic SQL modes
19:31 Joubu          tcohen: bug 20521
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19267: Rancor - Warn before leaving page if record modified <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=18e02913a0eaf0b94421027dbcfc0965499b15a8>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19578: Remove MARC punctuation in notices (TT syntax) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1f2c84e5078c2aa77e428ca359aef4df952944a>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19812: Fix confusing holds count values in "Already received" table <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=36db911da09f83131f82db6f8ed50ec1ad2f0029>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19910: Use the delimiter syspref to name download link <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6611ad4f05f8b236842940189ecd5ded88dc3d85>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19953: Record page: acquisition details: add column for invoice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3f9b750e22b87f6f699bf608cc90fa91cd1ef58>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20008: Fix restrictions added from memberentry.pl if TimeFormat is 12hr <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2214f2b256e0a44e0936d3eb8e87ac02b40917e>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20083: Information disclosure when (mis)using the MARC Preview feature <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8ce3d88b18ece5c04fbe923a37ce7a9aa715c3c>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20083: (follow-up) use same logic in opac-showmarc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a76781f9ef0ba997fdaf79d78648a6c41827f03>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Set the languages order with the pref values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c45246053639c216b598385a2f89cf723277a3c5>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Make the prefs sortable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=32c562bbe0383fe50a65aed7a18f82336e6d53c7>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Trigger "modified" when sort is changed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d407221be6ec07b8323935370fe07b5ff4dc9d80>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Remove sort on rfc4646_subtag in OPAC templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4376db33b5acbc49ebdfe3e98afa9f1126634934>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19223: Unit tests for output and output_html methods <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c4ac7dac8b8dece9afd2330077aeda82dddc1c1>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19223: Add methods to correctly handle plugin-generated output <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ab51a509a2a9d0ced3b2ccd9ff154f670f27560>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Add information about this feature in the pref descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=195f5404e4fc665f95e3f686494e7e0f298e27e1>
19:07 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19910: Use span to make translators happy <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65b71667c0bdef7e4fb04e4a747c99af2bcf2e5d>
18:59 oleonard       Bye all
18:50 Joubu          so yes it should be safe
18:49 Joubu          kidclamp: it will avoid people to modify dbms config to specify the sql mode
18:48 kidclamp       Joubu, is safe to backport? will do so shortly
18:47 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20229 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Remove problematic SQL modes
18:47 Joubu          kidclamp: you missed bug 20229 for 17.11.x
18:39 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:39 Joubu          @later tell alex_a did you write the patches on bug 17373?
18:39 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:39 Joubu          @later tell fridolin did you write the patches on bug 17373?
18:28 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:28 Joubu          @later tell khall could you answer bug 20325 comment 4 please?
18:21 Joubu          but now, no more excuse :)
18:20 Joubu          you are not the only one :)
18:20 oleonard       Joubu++
18:19 oleonard       Fair enough.
18:19 oleonard       "Make sure oleonard's commit messages are correctly formatted"
18:19 * oleonard     checks the commit message for the latest update to the qa tools
18:13 tuxayo         thanks for the cleanup :)
18:13 tuxayo         oleonard++
18:08 oleonard       Sure would be cool if Bugzilla had splitter built into it.
18:04 oleonard       Yes, I'd hate for an unrebased patch from 2014 to get in my way ;)
18:03 Joubu          oleonard: you should wait for splitter.koha-community.org to be back to check
18:00 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20520 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Re-indent moremember.tt
18:00 * oleonard     wonders if Bug 20520 is going to get him into trouble
15:57 thd            Joubu: Sorry for the distraction.  I think the reason the time issue has come up most recently is that DST has changed over the past month or so differently for different countries and there has been some uncertainty about whether 20 or 21 is favoured presently.
15:47 thd            Joubu: I commend you for your good efforts with the poll which was more helpful than what we had informing any previous efforts about time zones.
15:47 Joubu          ok, so my suggestion would be to alternate between 14/21 UTC (and we do not need to bring the discussion every 2 weeks)
15:45 thd            Joubu: At least at this time, I do not propose to restart the effort so soon as there have been probably too few schedule shifts amongst likely participants to make any substantive difference.
15:42 thd            cait: I take your point well and know that inevitably at least the general meeting is one I will miss about half the time :(
15:41 Joubu          thd: data are lost
15:39 reiveune       bye
15:38 thd            Joubu:  However, I could discover the time zones for almost every previous participant.
15:37 thd            I would not after the success of such a poll restart the process, merely maintain it for periodic re-examination.
15:37 Joubu          no, they are wrong, timezones are missing
15:36 thd            Joubu: The starting point should be the old data.
15:36 thd            cait: I certainly did not mean for each meeting but for tracking changes over time.
15:35 Joubu          thd: are you going to start such initiative?
15:35 cait           and because some are 'lonely' in their timezone, they shoudl not forever be punished for it by not being in the majority
15:35 cait           the result will be that people will miss meetings
15:34 thd            cait: :)
15:34 cait           I don't think that an indivual poll for each meeting is feasable
15:32 thd            DST varies by country.  My more important point was that my circumstances changed such that times which were good for me when I previously answered the poll are different because of my schedule changing independently of issues such as time zone and DST.
15:28 Joubu          with enough answers we could guess the best 2 slots during the whole year, DST included
15:27 Joubu          thd: a useful poll would be: "Give us the time slots you could be available for meetings, and your timezone"
15:27 thd            Joubu: I suggest that encouraging people to update such a poll continuously as various peoples local clock settings and other circumstances change would be useful.
15:25 thd            Joubu: A few weeks ago there was a change for me between daylight savings time.
15:24 thd            Joubu: I did answer but time and circumstances change.
15:24 Joubu          but it's a general Koha community syndrom, do not worry
15:23 Joubu          answered were expected quickly, not ~18months later
15:23 Joubu          thd: poll has been created on Oct 19th 2016 and was called "Poll: Next dev meeting"
15:19 Freddy_Enrique kidclamp++
15:19 cait           kidclamp++
15:18 thd            That is unfortunate.  I think it was more helpful than previous efforts at devising good meeting times.
15:18 oleonard       Thanks for release managing
15:18 oleonard       Joubu++
15:18 oleonard       Thanks for chairing
15:18 oleonard       kidclamp++
15:16 kidclamp       https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD
15:16 kidclamp       I think the poll is gone thd
15:16 Freddy_Enrique interesting feature indeed, a little complex. Let see how it goes
15:15 Freddy_Enrique Koha as CMS, I see
15:14 oleonard       Freddy_Enrique: I think this may be what you're looking for: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS
15:14 davidnind      thanks cait
15:14 davidnind      no worries!
15:14 Joubu          it's off
15:14 thd            Joubu: Remind me of the IRC meeting times preferences  survey location please.
15:14 mtompset       Finally caught up.
15:13 mtompset       M-F every M-F this year.
15:13 cait           davidnind++ #getting up and staying awake at a terrible meeting time
15:13 mtompset       And now for my cheer: 68 sign-offs!
15:13 davidnind      kidclamp++
15:13 thd            ... for me of course.
15:13 huginn         Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_4_april_2018.2018-04-04-14.02.log.html
15:13 huginn         Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_4_april_2018.2018-04-04-14.02.txt
15:13 huginn         Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2018/general_irc_meeting_4_april_2018.2018-04-04-14.02.html
15:13 huginn         Meeting ended Wed Apr  4 15:13:09 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:13 Joubu          #endmeeting
15:13 davidnind      Is good! https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+General+IRC+Meeting&iso=20180502T2100
15:13 kidclamp       Joubu++
15:12 Joubu          #info Next meeting: 2 May 2018, 21 UTC
15:12 thd            21 is still a problem but 20 is worst.
15:12 kidclamp       21 is 9am for NZ, so probably good
15:12 cait           usually first wedneday
15:12 kidclamp       21 is fine
15:12 thd            Where can I vote for 21 now?
15:11 * Joubu        never knows
15:11 thd            21
15:11 Joubu          or 21
15:11 Joubu          yep
15:11 kidclamp       May 2nd, 2018 20 UTC?
15:11 * kidclamp     needs more coffe
15:11 Joubu          should be May 2nd I think
15:10 Joubu          kidclamp: why a Friday? :)
15:10 cait           may the force...
15:10 Joubu          cait: it has been sent to koha-devel only
15:10 kidclamp       May 4th, 2018 20 UTC?
15:09 kidclamp       ah, thnaks joubu
15:09 Joubu          kidclamp: nope it's general meeting now, +1m
15:09 cait           Joubu: i am not sure which list it was on
15:09 thd            mtompset: Koha is built at installation with only one marcflavour which is not as flexible as it could/should be one day.
15:09 kidclamp       April 18, 2018 20 UTC?
15:08 cait           kidclamp: +1
15:08 Joubu          should not we email the general mailing list as well?
15:08 mtompset       Oh, okay.
15:08 kidclamp       anything else, or next meeting?
15:08 cait           mtompset: i think that's a copy from the biblio_metadata
15:08 kidclamp       #info or poke Ere about the Holdings RFC
15:07 cait           just trying to move things along :)
15:07 cait           better poke ere_away
15:07 mtompset       I just noticed "marcflavour" in the table suggestions, and thought it might be a cool way to Z39.50 from differing sources (UNIMARC and MARC21)
15:07 kidclamp       #info respond on the list or comment on the RFC or poke cait  for more discussion of holdings :-)
15:07 cait           but it's not supposed to be used by serials module in the rfc
15:06 thd            I did not see mention of serials in any description.
15:06 cait           it's designed ot be optional, but i guess you could catalog them, if you wanted to
15:06 * mtompset     shrugs, "I'm not a librarian. I didn't understand the purpose of the concept."
15:06 davidnind      cait++
15:06 thd            mtompset: Are you proposing to also encompass the bugbear of serials pattern holdings?
15:06 cait           all from me, if there are no questions :)
15:06 cait           hope that made sense
15:05 cait           often they are used for serials
15:05 cait           it's more like a summary record that can group items, or for records without items make a statement of what your holdings are
15:05 cait           UNIMARC has holdings too - https://archive.ifla.org/VI/8/projects/UNIMARC-HoldingsFormat.pdf
15:04 cait           if you use marc21 - you have hodlings in marc21
15:04 cait           that wouldn't change
15:04 cait           you use the holdings format of your marc format
15:04 cait           #link http://www.loc.gov/marc/holdings/ MARC21 for Holdings Data (MFHD)
15:03 Freddy_Enrique ups, sorry
15:03 * mtompset     points to the topic line above.
15:03 oleonard       Freddy_Enrique: We are in the middle of a meeting right now
15:03 Freddy_Enrique please, I see it really useful
15:03 cait           it's a structural thing
15:03 cait           marc holdings records goes between items and records
15:03 Freddy_Enrique https://snag.gy/pOn9zH.jpg
15:03 Freddy_Enrique any tips of how I can accomplish this?  I mean, adding a page to my opac interface
15:02 mtompset       So is the idea of holdings to allow the integration of multiple kinds of holdings? UNIMARC, MARC21, whatever?
15:02 kidclamp       #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_Holdings_Records_RFC Holdings RFC
15:02 cait           thx davidnind
15:02 cait           especially if you have worked with MARC holdings records - maybe in other ILS
15:02 davidnind      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_Holdings_Records_RFC
15:02 cait           i think an optional holdings level is a good idea for that kind of thing and would like to ask people to give feedback
15:02 mtompset       #info Mark Tompsett
15:02 cait           we are currently working on a program to sync Koha holdings with our union catlaog and we miss the holdings level
15:01 cait           ere was asking about feedback on the mailing list
15:01 cait           i added it :)
15:01 kidclamp       ere_away?
15:01 kidclamp       #topic MARC Holdings Records RFC
15:00 cait           +1
15:00 kidclamp       moving on?
15:00 kidclamp       #action cait will touch base with LeeJ re 19817
14:59 cait           kidclamp: action me for talking to LeeJ plz?
14:59 Joubu          ok thanks, then you can SO and QA and I will push ;)
14:59 cait           it's some, but not that many in total since nicole left
14:58 Joubu          I will be available to improve and implement what is missing, if someone asks for something
14:58 cait           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=history;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help;h=6fa92739d87a2193baa4c2352d82cfbe1dcde5f3;hb=8538886cb91f977d6109bfd035d4d8348ad108dc
14:58 marcelr        18.05
14:58 cait           i will beo n qa until freezes, but can try and help after
14:57 kidclamp       18.05++
14:57 josef_moravec  I am for 18.05 too
14:57 cait           for docs team
14:57 cait           i think looking at the commits and proting them over would also be a good beginners task maybe
14:57 cait           18.05++
14:57 cait           my feeling is yes
14:57 davidnind      18.05+
14:57 Joubu          we did a good work on documentation in 18.05 so I feel like to should be part of 18.05
14:57 marcelr        one flow is an improvement but rescuing some new docs could motivate people to keep writing docs
14:56 Joubu          so question is: do we want it for 18.05 or later?
14:56 Joubu          and adapt what we implemented
14:56 cait           I can talk to LeeJ about adding this to the docs kanban?
14:56 Joubu          my feeling is: we do not get feedback and so we should move on and get feedback later
14:55 cait           not wrong, just our situation is complicated now :)
14:55 Joubu          marcelr: me too, that was wrong :)
14:55 cait           docs team could check the commits to help files maybe
14:55 marcelr        other way around..
14:55 marcelr        people incl me have added in online pages
14:55 thd            It may be that local editing is very little used now, however, the possibility should be considered without necessarily implementing it for the prospect of it becoming a blocker to adoption by important future users.
14:54 cait           and git still knows it all if the docs team needs something
14:54 cait           marcelr: afaik nicole only copied from manual to help files
14:54 Joubu          which will be stored in DB and survive upgrades
14:54 marcelr        we will delete stuff in the templates that should have gone to manual too..
14:54 cait           but for now it would not be implemented
14:54 cait           because that is really hard to do nicely without creating conflicts on update
14:54 cait           instead of actually changing th emanual
14:53 cait           if we add something back later, we were thinkging about allowing custom pages
14:53 kidclamp       just got last few minutes all at once
14:53 kidclamp       woops, sorty, all my messages were delayed
14:53 Joubu          I am around
14:53 davidnind      totally support, makes sense to me
14:53 cait           marcelr: with the patch the files will be deleted, yes
14:53 Joubu          kidclamp: ?
14:53 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations
14:53 kidclamp       #info PLease look at bug 19817 and comment if can be considered for 18.05
14:53 kidclamp       I think Joubu fell asleep :-) or is looking at portland craft beers
14:53 cait           it's never been implemented in a clean way
14:53 kidclamp       Joubu^
14:53 marcelr        i dont mean local changes
14:52 cait           without notice
14:52 cait           at the moment your local edits are killed by the update
14:52 marcelr        is the online help text just deleted ?
14:52 cait           I am not sure it's used
14:52 Joubu          => because of the lack of feedbacks which makes me think people is not interested in that and I do not want to dev something that will not be used
14:52 thd            cait: A workaround for local editing should be found.
14:52 cait           I think the main questions are if we can live with those negatives
14:52 cait           and: as we delete the current help files, those translations will be lost by linking to the documentation instead
14:51 cait           the negative sides are: for now it will not be possible to edit the help files locally any more
14:51 Joubu          that's almost done
14:51 cait           the positive sides are: no more duplication, one translation to rule them all
14:51 cait           there are still some glitches, we need to figure out, like how to link to the right and existing translated manual
14:50 cait           the patch also implements an option for having a local copy of the manual by making the URL configurable
14:50 cait           we worked out the suggestion to link to the manual instead of copying it into TT files
14:50 cait           so this is not ideal, especially as we don't have the time to spare
14:50 davidnind      :'(
14:49 cait           more: translators have to translate both separately
14:49 cait           which means: they fall out of sync
14:49 cait           ok, at the moment the manual and the help files are too complete separate things
14:49 Joubu          I am a bit tired to bring this topic up :)
14:49 cait           I will try
14:49 Joubu          unless cait wants to explain? :)
14:49 Joubu          that's for me again
14:48 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations
14:48 kidclamp       #topic Merge local and online documentations (Bug 19817)
14:48 thd            davidmind++
14:48 davidnind      agreed, so I can go back to zzzzz :-D
14:48 Joubu          action?
14:47 cait           move on kidclamp
14:47 cait           I think I don't know much about Youtube :) that's ok, will check later
14:47 thd            cait do you mean multiple channels other than playlists?
14:47 davidnind      important that any original videos be published to a more open platform, such as Internet Archive as well
14:47 kidclamp       getting long in the meeting, I think if no one is opposed david can go ahead with some work/RFC and we can move on?
14:46 cait           Editing the manual with gitlab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwH7-wO2Gs
14:45 cait           can one video be published in muliple channels?
14:45 davidnind      yes, we should..
14:45 cait           we got one, we just have to use it - that's good news :)
14:45 Joubu          (misread too, forget my last comment)
14:44 davidnind      can create play lists with source from anywhere
14:44 Joubu          my link was the "Koha" channel
14:44 kidclamp       davidnind, can you get info from tcohen and write up how it works? then team can be assembled and updated as needed on wiki?
14:44 cait           how does adding to a channel work? admins tag the videos or so?
14:43 cait           ah oops, misread
14:43 kidclamp       so add to social netowrks and similar process to get aded to team? tcohen has the credentials?
14:43 cait           we also got the manual editing video from LeeJ and some others we could add
14:42 cait           https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons
14:42 davidnind      lots of uses for community as a whole
14:42 kidclamp       https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/4628007?hl=en
14:42 cait           but i am not sure it eixsts/existed
14:42 cait           there is a mention on a koha youtube channel on the wiki page for kohacon
14:42 davidnind      excellent video by the way!
14:42 davidnind      haven't had a chance to write an RFC
14:41 Joubu          created by tcohen after the KohaCon14 in Cordoba
14:41 Joubu          there is one - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqOmLE1-kt84liiG5233BRQ
14:41 davidnind      think it would be useful to have an 'official' Koha Community channel
14:41 Joubu          #topic Setup an 'official' Koha YouTube channel
14:40 davidnind      okay..
14:40 kidclamp       davidnind, you are up about YouTube too :-)
14:39 davidnind      8-)
14:39 cait           plus was not workign :)
14:39 Joubu          ("that", the Koha_on_Social_Networks wiki page)
14:39 cait           davidnind++
14:38 kidclamp       #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Social_Networks Koha on Social Networks
14:38 wahanui        it has been said that davidnind is happy to help maintain if more help is required - the criteria are quite clear, and what it means is quite clear as well
14:38 cait           davidnind
14:38 wahanui        somebody said davidnind was happy to help maintain if more help is required - the criteria are quite clear, and what it means is quite clear as well
14:38 cait           davidnind
14:38 davidnind      will create a plan for Twitter use
14:38 kidclamp       #info Team members shoudl eb added to Koha on Social Networks page
14:38 Joubu          (there was/is something on the kanban about that)
14:38 cait           I think we shoudl probably update a lot more of it, but starting with Twitter would be good
14:38 Joubu          my main concern is: we should avoid conflict of interest, that's why a "team" could be a good thing
14:38 cait           We could update this page then: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Social_Networks
14:38 kidclamp       #info Contact Joubu to be added to the KohaILS twitter team, we will see how it goes
14:37 davidnind      yes!
14:37 Joubu          basically contact me if you want to join the "twitter/communication/news monitoring" and we/you try it?
14:37 cait           i think we are all for it?
14:36 cait           ok, so what's the next step?
14:36 davidnind      ..as well
14:36 cait           yep
14:36 davidnind      use to raise awareness of all the good things happening
14:35 cait           i think generally retweeting 'good news' about koha is a good thing
14:34 kidclamp       should twitter avatars be listed on release teams page, so one knows who to contact?
14:34 Joubu          things like: "like this tweet from this support company" or "from this library", etc. should also be done, right?
14:34 cait           can't think of something right now
14:34 thd            nengard had used some program through which she sent notices to multiple platforms including Twitter.  Such multisite programs may become broken from time to time of course.
14:34 cait           os there something that should NOT go on there?
14:34 Joubu          I think it's the job of several people
14:34 kidclamp       me too somewhere
14:34 davidnind      Tweetdeck looks useful
14:34 cait           at least magnuse and I have the credentials for the GBSD account
14:33 davidnind      Didn't have a chance to create a general plan - e.g regular tweets about meetings, etc
14:33 huginn         kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
14:33 kidclamp       @later tell calire GBSD? ;-)
14:33 cait           yep
14:33 calire         and manage multiple accounts at once
14:33 kidclamp       would alos be good for GBSD
14:33 kidclamp       yes, looks like one person can login and designate a team to use the account
14:33 calire         you can schedule tweets etc with it too
14:33 Joubu          it's provided by twitter, I have never used it but sounds like what we need
14:32 cait           ?
14:32 cait           shoudl we also post reminders about meetings and such
14:32 Joubu          then you have a different view
14:32 Joubu          you login in as usual
14:32 cait           soudns good to me, and we got a volunteer :)
14:32 davidnind      Would be good to have a team
14:32 cait           aah even better
14:32 Joubu          app? it's a website
14:31 cait           do you have to use a special app to do this?
14:31 Joubu          like: do not share the credential with several people, but create a team and allow them to post as @kohails
14:31 kidclamp       #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars Koha IRC regulars
14:30 kidclamp       #info PLEASE add yourself to the Kohaq IRC regulars page - 'regular' is a very loosely defined term :-)
14:30 Joubu          someone told me that https://tweetdeck.twitter.com can be used for this kind of usage
14:30 cait           davidnind++
14:30 cait           aah
14:30 davidnind      wakes up...
14:30 cait           nz
14:30 cait           i think a bad time for him
14:30 Joubu          but I am not good at that and I think we should revive it a bit
14:30 davidnind      Yes! I'm happy to volunteer...
14:30 kidclamp       David Nind here?
14:30 cait           Joubu++
14:30 Joubu          so I have it
14:30 Joubu          I have contacted Nicole few months ago to get the credential for the twitter account
14:29 cait           do we have the login?
14:29 kidclamp       #info Revive @kohails twitter?
14:29 kidclamp       #topic General discussion
14:29 Joubu          yep
14:28 cait           ok for me
14:28 kidclamp       moving on?
14:27 kidclamp       #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?keywords=release-notes-needed&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=234854&query_format=advanced Release notes needed bugs
14:26 cait           and probably not always revertable, but it's not hard to do, I think we will be ok
14:26 kidclamp       #info bugs with "release-notes_needed" keywords must be updated with release notes, this helps documentation team. Joubu will email the list
14:26 cait           already pushed
14:26 Joubu          marcelr: revert if not filled
14:26 marcelr        push if filled ?
14:25 Joubu          you should not ignore this, I will send an email to the list
14:25 cait           i agree with the plan as outlined - advertise and encourage people to start using TT - switch with 18.11 for default ones
14:25 Joubu          it will help the documentation team and fill the release notes to document the new features/enh
14:24 Joubu          you must update the release notes for bug reports with the "release-notes-needed" keywords
14:24 Joubu          ok, then I forgot something in the RM announcements:
14:23 cait           i have to read back, but please feel free to continue
14:23 Joubu          someone wants to add something for the TT syntax?
14:23 cait           sorry for being late
14:23 cait           #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:22 kidclamp       #info TT syntax should be advertised and tested for feedback and bugs/improvements filed with an eye towards default in 18.11
14:22 marcelr        ;)
14:21 Joubu          9. break the notices and spam the users
14:21 Joubu          8. bug fixes and backport
14:21 Joubu          1. will not happen so we will have 7. get feedbacks too late
14:21 Joubu          6. make it the default for 18.11
14:21 Joubu          5. update the wiki page
14:20 Joubu          4. improve and add tests if not
14:20 Joubu          3. make sure the other letter codes (the ones without tests) can be moved
14:20 Joubu          2. get feedback
14:20 Joubu          I think we should: 1. advertize it to make people use it
14:20 Joubu          not really, this part is easy
14:19 Joubu          we should also update the wiki page I guess
14:19 kidclamp       so is work left to be done to convert the old style notices to new ones?
14:19 Joubu          others need to be double-checked
14:19 Joubu          these ones must work (i.e. you can write the letter template using the TT syntax without regressions)
14:18 Joubu          at least for the letter codes with test coverage
14:18 Joubu          but we could advertize it for 18.05 and tell people it can be tested
14:18 Joubu          we do not know, so we are not ready :)
14:17 marcelr        i would say no, but ...
14:17 Joubu          I cannot remember the state it was when I left the job months ago
14:17 Joubu          marcelr: that's the problem, I do not know
14:17 Joubu          I do not think we are ready for make it defaults for 18.05, but could be a nice goal for 18.11
14:17 marcelr        do we still need such tests for any TT change ?
14:16 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17961 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, TT syntax for notices - Prove we have an equivalent for our historical custom syntax
14:16 Joubu          I have opened and worked on bug 17961 few months ago
14:16 Joubu          ha, I guess it is for me
14:15 kidclamp       we have a note about TT syntax, cait or documenters here to ask for what they need>
14:14 kidclamp       #info EDI could also use more test coverage
14:14 kidclamp       #info ElasticSearch needs more exhaustive test coverage (kidclamp,alex_a,ere) please take note
14:14 Joubu          I do not have anything else in mind
14:14 Joubu          (I do not think there are anyway)
14:14 kidclamp       #info Selenium tests will be pushed, comment on bugs if you have comments or concerns
14:14 Joubu          * EDI - Same here... No enhancement should be accepted without full test coverage
14:13 Joubu          (I do not plan to work on that)
14:13 kidclamp       #info if any performance issues noted in recent releases please contact Joubu
14:13 Joubu          * ES - There is a huge lack of tests for the elastic code, we are wandering in the dark without protection - warning!
14:13 Joubu          I'd like to see them part of 18.05 and will do all what I need for that (skip SO and QA as nobody usually cares much about these tests).
14:13 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19384 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Add Selenium tests
14:13 Joubu          I am in touch with alexbuckley to continue the work on writing these tests (bug 19384 is the omnibus).
14:13 Joubu          * Related topic: selenium tests.
14:12 Joubu          if you face *or* feel*
14:12 Joubu          if you face you feel perf issues since the last 3,4 releases, please contact me with info
14:12 Joubu          At first glance it seems ok, but it would be great to benchmark specific areas instead of using the basic_workflow.t selenium tests (which only provides us a very wide overview)
14:12 Joubu          I wanted to test/confirm the last refactoring patches pushed (especially the Koha::Patron move) did not introduce performance gap
14:11 Joubu          * Performances - I have done some benchmarks yesterday (compare 16.05 with master (~18.05)) using misc4dev/benchmark_them_all, I have not noticed big performance problems.
14:11 Joubu          Final stretch for big/medium works, if you want your stuffs in for 18.05 it's now
14:11 Joubu          #link https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2018-April/050306.html
14:11 Joubu          #info 18.05 is planned for May 22th
14:11 Joubu          * 18.05 release dates have been published (should be on May 22th)
14:11 Joubu          yes, I have written few points before the meeting, here they are:
14:10 kidclamp       Joubu, all yours
14:10 fridolin1      #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
14:10 fridolin1      nope thanks
14:09 kidclamp       anything to add fridolin1?
14:09 kidclamp       #info Maintainers are working, April 22nd is sunday so release will happen 24/25
14:08 kidclamp       #topic Update on releases:
14:08 kidclamp       moving on :-)
14:07 Joubu          #info Portland is full of craft beers
14:07 indradg        #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, India.
14:07 oleonard       #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
14:07 kidclamp       #link http://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/ For registration and info
14:06 JesseM         registration and more info here: http://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/
14:06 kidclamp       link jessem
14:06 kidclamp       #info KohaCon 2018 site is up
14:05 JesseM         Kohacon2018 site is up
14:05 kidclamp       floor is open :-)
14:05 kidclamp       #topic Announcements
14:04 alex_a         #info Alex Arnaud, Biblibre, France
14:04 Joubu          the agenda is there ^
14:04 Joubu          #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_4_April_2018
14:03 kellym         #info Kelly McElligott BywaterSolutions USA
14:03 thd            #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:03 JesseM         #info Jesse Maseto, BWS, USA
14:03 davidnind      #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
14:03 josef_moravec  #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic
14:03 wahanui        qa_team is alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec
14:03 Joubu          qa_team?
14:03 wahanui        rumour has it rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)
14:03 Joubu          rmaints?
14:03 marcelr        #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands
14:02 kidclamp       #info Nick Clemens
14:02 Joubu          #info Jonathan Druart
14:02 wahanui        #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
14:02 kidclamp       #topic Introductions
14:02 huginn         Current chairs: Joubu kidclamp
14:02 kidclamp       #chair Joubu
14:02 huginn         The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_4_april_2018'
14:02 huginn         Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:02 huginn         Meeting started Wed Apr  4 14:02:36 2018 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:02 kidclamp       #startmeeting General IRC meeting 4 April 2018
14:02 Joubu          kidclamp: yep
14:01 wahanui        mmm meat
14:01 kidclamp       meeting time?
13:57 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
13:57 Joubu          @later tell rangi splitter.k-c.org returns 502 bad gateway
13:57 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Fix tax and prices calculation
13:57 Joubu          dcook_: I also do not understand what you are expecting from this kind of comment. You should refer to bug 13321 and related and open new bug reports after you have confirmed there are none yet...
13:56 fridolin1      down ?
13:56 fridolin1      how http://splitter.koha-community.org/
13:56 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13324 normal, P5 - low, ---, claire.hernandez, RESOLVED FIXED, [DEPENDS_ON_13321] The fund values must be based on tax included values
13:55 Joubu          dcook_: about bug 13324: That is why I asked for feedback, RFC review and testing 3 years ago. You are 3 years late!
13:48 Freddy_Enrique quick question
13:47 Freddy_Enrique hello guys
13:19 Joubu          hi tcohen, #koha
13:15 tcohen         hola Joubu
13:05 cait           yes
13:00 josef_moravec  oleonard: I think so
13:00 oleonard       Meeting in 1 hour?
12:50 tcohen         morning
12:42 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Use the "sort bin" field in SIP2 Checkin Response
12:42 magnuse        comments from sip2gurus and others are most welcome on bug 20517
12:33 oleonard       Yes please, fridolin1
12:33 fridolin1      i have strong coffee if you whant
12:33 fridolin1      no pb ;)
12:32 cait           fridolin1: argh. yep, will try to be more awake for my next attempt :)
12:30 fridolin1      thanks for QAing btw
12:30 fridolin1      cait: ah it is there : 4) Update DBIx shema : misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl
12:27 cait           you can also note in the test plan that schema needs to be updated - it's really easy to do on devbox now
12:27 cait           schema changes in a separate patch is good
12:26 cait           i didn't realize that's what qa script complained about probably
12:26 cait           i missed recreating the schema
12:26 cait           fridolin1: yep, i think maybe i was too tired yesterday
12:25 fridolin1      i 'm not sure how to QA a bug with db changes
12:25 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Manage categories displayed in Quick add patron list
12:25 fridolin1      cait: I have added a patch to Bug 18818
12:24 * andreashm    waves
12:24 fridolin1      cait: le bonjour
12:07 marcelr        hi eythian cait
12:07 * cait         waves
12:07 eythian        etc.
12:07 eythian        hi marcelr
12:05 marcelr        hi #koha
11:45 wahanui        hi olé onard
11:45 josef_moravec  hi oleonard
11:45 oleonard       Hi #koha
10:50 cait           tcohen++ #thx!
10:46 cait           that woudl be it :)
10:46 AndrewIsh      I had some Apache problems yesterday to do with file versioning, but was put on the correct track by some kind souls here :)
10:46 andreashm      cait: achange in apache?
10:45 cait           if the instance wasn't recreated you might have to do that too
10:45 cait           AndrewIsh: there was a change in apache a while ago too - if you experience something more odd
10:45 kidclamp       i will look in a bit nlegrand
10:45 nlegrand       kidclamp: hiya, have you read my topic on Koha-devel? “Default Elasticsearch behaviour wrong with Chinese”. I wasn't sure if I should open a bug so I send it to the list.
10:44 AndrewIsh      Hi cait !
10:43 cait           hi AndrewIsh
10:30 AndrewIsh      All seems to be working since I did that though, so I'm guessing you're right, I didn't have the latest schema but I do now! :)
10:30 paxed          AndrewIsh: no idea. but the p_sep_by_space is a very recent db change
10:29 * paxed        has a déjà vu
10:29 AndrewIsh      paxed:  Interesting, I pulled latest master, dropped my database and recreated from scratch using the web installer. Do I need to do anything else?
10:28 andreashm      curious
10:28 magnuse        i also tested on 17.11
10:28 paxed          AndrewIsh: looks like your db schema isn't up-to-date
10:28 * andreashm    is mostly curios. we don't even use the holds to pull functionality. =)
10:28 magnuse        yup, that is weird
10:28 andreashm      magnuse: interestingly, it doesn't work on our 16.05 (dev) server. but it works on the 17.11 upgrade server we have. weird.
10:22 andreashm      thanks magnuse
10:21 magnuse        andreashm: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Show_subtitle_on_the_holds_to_pull_report
10:20 AndrewIsh      Looks like I might not have a currency defined, doh! OK, I'll do some digging. Thanks for your help :)
10:19 AndrewIsh      Template process failed: undef error - Can't call method "p_sep_by_space" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/Koha/Number/Price.pm line 126.
10:18 AndrewIsh      Oh, crap, ignore me. I just noticed, the error is in fact different when I'm not logged in as the db user....
10:17 AndrewIsh      Interestingly, printing out $logged_in_user, it's definitely not undefined :-/
10:16 AndrewIsh      kidclamp:  Though I do get the same error when logged in as the db user
10:15 AndrewIsh      kidclamp:  No, just a user I created when I installed Koha
10:14 kidclamp       AndrewIsh, are you logged in as the db user?
10:10 magnuse        i'll write it up on the wiki
10:08 andreashm      magnuse: nice! how?
10:08 magnuse        andreashm: yes, made it show 250$a too
10:03 AndrewIsh      definitely logged in!
10:03 AndrewIsh      Hi all. I'm resurrecting an instance I used for dev a couple of years ago, I'm seeing a weird error when trying to list/search for patrons: "Can't call method "libraries_where_can_see_patrons" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/C4/Utils/DataTables/Members.pm line 27." Seems the object on which it's trying to call that method is the object resulting from "Koha::Patrons->find( $userenv->{number} );" Anyone got any idea why it might be undefined, I'm
09:59 andreashm      got it to work?
09:58 andreashm      ?
09:58 magnuse        ah, looks like i just forgot what "before" looks like and the extra data show up without any special prompting. nice!
09:50 magnuse        unless i misread the code
09:49 magnuse        you are definitely right, but it looks like it should affect the "holds to pull" anyway
09:49 andreashm      magnuse: doesn't keywords to marc mapping only work when xslt tamplates are not used? not sure this is relevant for the holds to pull page though.
09:21 magnuse        so i added "keyword to marc mapping" for subtitle. what's a fella gotta do to make the subtitle actually show up in the "holds to pull"? open and save all the records?
09:13 magnuse        \o/
09:10 * andreashm    waves
09:08 nlegrand       Bonjour Koha.
09:07 josef_moravec  Doodle for GDPR meeting is here: https://doodle.com/poll/q7s88vqnc5xtf9ev
08:58 magnuse        oh, Keyword to MARC mapping
08:56 magnuse        ah, there is something about subtitles in the code
08:53 magnuse        huh, noone ever wanted to show subtitles on the "holds to pull" page?
08:39 * andreashm    waves
08:05 ere            cait: If the approach makes sense, I could start working on remaining templates too to make it complete.
08:04 cait           I will try to test again tonight if noone else beats me to it
08:04 ere            cait: I mean, what I did doesn't affect how url's are handled, only how they're created.
08:03 ere            cait: sure, encoding new links properly doesn't affect anything existing.
08:03 cait           for non-latin script, so i think kyle's patches can't be used
08:03 cait           you are right, that we are doing it wrong, but we need to keep the links working
08:02 cait           no problem
08:01 ere            cait: Hi! Sorry about the confusion with 14716..
07:38 cait           hi josef_moravec :)
07:36 gaetan_B       hello
07:34 josef_moravec  hi cait
07:33 cait           good morning #koha!
06:45 wahanui        salut, alex_a
06:45 alex_a         bonjour
06:42 magnuse        \o/
06:30 reiveune       hello
06:09 petter         hi cait!
06:09 cait           good morning petter
05:59 petter         hah!
05:58 wahanui        the only good morning is a dead one
05:58 petter         good morning
05:05 fridolin1      hi community