Time  Nick        Message
23:41 * sen       waves to cait. Are most people here in the Australia-ish time zones?
23:10 cait        anyone awake still?
22:41 cait        LeeJ++
21:53 LeeJ        alright! Time to head home! Have a good night all!
21:52 davidnind   LeeJ++
21:52 huginn      Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/documentation_irc_meeting_21_december_2017.2017-12-21-21.07.log.html
21:52 huginn      Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/documentation_irc_meeting_21_december_2017.2017-12-21-21.07.txt
21:52 huginn      Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/documentation_irc_meeting_21_december_2017.2017-12-21-21.07.html
21:52 huginn      Meeting ended Thu Dec 21 21:52:46 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
21:52 LeeJ        #endmeeting
21:52 LeeJ        alright, and we're done!
21:52 LeeJ        take care BobB! Good luck!
21:52 BobB        happy Christmas everyone
21:52 BobB        its the last business day of hte year for us, so I'll get going
21:52 LeeJ        #info Next Meeting: 17 January 2018, 3 UTC
21:52 BobB        thanks LeeJ
21:51 LeeJ        no objections heard so that's what we'll do
21:51 BobB        +1
21:51 georgew     cool
21:51 caboose     sweet
21:51 LeeJ        alright so then the 17th at 3 UTC
21:50 LeeJ        17th works for me.
21:50 BobB        how about Jan 17 or 18?
21:49 LeeJ        then perhaps the week prior?
21:48 BobB        linuxConfAu starts on 22 :)
21:48 georgew     I'm looking at 2019
21:48 LeeJ        good catch
21:48 LeeJ        how about the 22nd then?
21:47 LeeJ        hah..didn't even realize that..
21:47 indradg     cait: yeah! LTC right around that time
21:47 LeeJ        #info we will try to rotate meeting times between 3, 9, 15, 21 UTC
21:47 cait        heh it is
21:47 BobB        isn't january 21 a sunday?
21:47 davidnind   https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Koha+Documentation+IRC+Meeting&iso=20180121T0300
21:47 LeeJ        alright, since I consider silence as agreement then it appears it works for most people so we'll do that
21:46 cait        np
21:46 cait        yep
21:46 georgew     +1 to January 21 @ 3
21:46 cait        i will be travelling in indradg's direction
21:46 LeeJ        cait: I can always catch you up anyway :)
21:46 LeeJ        anyone opposed to January 21 @ 3 UTC?
21:46 cait        probably not going to make that one, but that's ok
21:45 wahanui     hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
21:45 cait        logs?
21:45 caboose     excited!
21:45 caboose     sweet!
21:45 cait        caboose: you can also read the logs - nothing is lost :)
21:45 LeeJ        so how about January 21 at 3 UTC?
21:44 georgew     same is true for me, BobB
21:44 LeeJ        we're discussing rotating meeting times between 3, 9, 15, 21 UTC
21:44 LeeJ        we're just trying to figure out next time
21:43 BobB        of those times, only one is bad for me, so 3 are good - best one can expect, I think
21:43 LeeJ        caboose: no worries! sure
21:43 caboose     I thought I would be back at 4 :(
21:43 caboose     can we meet up at some point to go over the meeting topics?
21:43 caboose     I'm so sorry
21:43 LeeJ        hi caboose :) we're just wrapping up
21:42 indradg     georgew: +1
21:41 georgew     3, 9, 15, 21
21:41 LeeJ        georgew: I like that idea
21:41 indradg     usually UTC 2PM onwards is better
21:41 georgew     Why not rotate them by 6 hours each meeting?
21:41 georgew     6 hours from now would be 3:00, UTC, right?
21:40 LeeJ        earlier? later?
21:39 LeeJ        indradg: what UTC time would work for you?
21:39 indradg     LeeJ, rotating is fine
21:38 LeeJ        indradg: what time would be reasonable for you? BobB had a good idea for us to rotate meeting times to do our best to be inclusive
21:38 indradg     BobB: +1
21:38 BobB        though this time is good for me :)
21:38 LeeJ        BobB: I agree
21:38 BobB        whatever time is always bad for someone, best to rotate them
21:37 indradg     heh
21:36 LeeJ        specifically if we can find a time so indradg can get a full night's sleep ;)
21:36 LeeJ        unless anyone has anything else to add, shall we decide on next meeting?
21:35 LeeJ        I think that was the only major thing we went over before you arrived...
21:35 indradg     LeeJ++
21:35 LeeJ        at your convenience, you can sign up with the project and if there's any questions feel free to contact me :)
21:34 LeeJ        https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/epics
21:34 LeeJ        I created what's called a kanban to aid in organizing the documentation workflow
21:34 LeeJ        indradg: just to quickly summarize what we went over...
21:33 cait        i think that was it :)
21:33 LeeJ        do we have anything else to add? :)
21:33 LeeJ        #action anyone who comes up with ideas for the local and online documentation merge should refer to Bug 19817 or contact Joubu
21:32 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Merge local and online documentations
21:32 LeeJ        #agreed the current local editing option can be replaced with the result of Bug 19817
21:32 BobB        hi indradg
21:31 indradg     :)
21:31 indradg     #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, India.
21:31 cait        wow, that's a really bad time for a meeting, glad you made it
21:31 indradg     Kia ora #koha :-) Sorry i´m late. fell asleep, its 3:01 AM here
21:31 LeeJ        since no one objected
21:31 LeeJ        cait: I'll make a note of it since it seems so
21:30 LeeJ        indradg: don't forget to add yourself under the info tag if you're here for the meeting :)
21:30 cait        hi indradg :)
21:30 LeeJ        hi indradg
21:30 davidnind   :)
21:30 indradg     davidnind++
21:30 cait        so we generally agree that the current editing option is ok to go?
21:30 LeeJ        davidnind is on the ball tonight :)
21:29 cait        yes
21:29 huginn      Bug 19817: new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Merge local and online documentations
21:29 davidnind   https://bugs.kohha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19817
21:29 cait        hm sec there is a bug
21:29 cait        #info Joubu is looking for workflows, use cases and ideas on how to make this work nicely
21:29 LeeJ        cait: should we contact him directly if we come up with use cases or ideas for the workflow? or is there a bug to add comments to with suggestions?
21:28 cait        #info idea is to remove the possibility to edit the help pages as they are overwritten and can't be maintained in favor of a way to add local content separately
21:28 cait        #info Joubu is working on patches to remove the help files in koha in favor of linking to the online manual or a local version (configurable)
21:28 cait        yeah :)
21:27 cait        oh
21:27 LeeJ        cait: okay..and I'll let you add your info to the info tag for this content if you wouldn't mind :)
21:27 cait        Joubu is asking for use cases and ideas for the gui/workflow
21:26 cait        sec, need to check what Joubu send me
21:26 cait        local additions we could call it maybe?
21:26 LeeJ        that makes sense
21:26 BobB        agree
21:26 cait        in favor of adding a way to add new local pages
21:25 cait        the idea is to remove the ability to edit the pages
21:25 cait        it wlil also be practically impossible to keep a local version of the manual current
21:25 BobB        yes
21:25 cait        it will be overwritten by the next update without warning
21:25 cait        but if you make a local edit like that
21:24 cait        at the moment it's possible to edit the help pages in Koha
21:24 cait        while working on this, there are some questions
21:24 cait        and people will stlil have the option to use it without internt
21:24 wahanui     the manual is probably in the code
21:24 cait        the manual
21:24 cait        so we will have one source of truth to maintain
21:24 cait        Joubu has been working on removing the help files in Koha in favour of either linking to the online manual or configuring a local manual to link to
21:23 cait        ok
21:23 LeeJ        cait: you're up :)
21:23 LeeJ        #topic Next steps
21:22 LeeJ        okay! unless I forgot something, I think we're good
21:22 LeeJ        anyone have any additional questions before moving on?
21:21 BobB        ok, now I get it, cool
21:21 LeeJ        BobB: that is correct...I've taken the liberty of migrating all documentation-related content from the To Do list to the kanban under appropriate epics/user stories
21:20 BobB        So will the kanban replace the To Do list?
21:20 LeeJ        BobB: noted :)
21:20 LeeJ        #info contact LeeJ for any suggestions to contribute to the koha-docs kanban wiki
21:20 BobB        'What's an Epic' is prolly a good place to start, eh
21:19 LeeJ        BobB: great!
21:19 LeeJ        cait: yes..I'll do that before the weekend
21:19 BobB        ok, I have found the help page, which looks like it might help :)
21:19 cait        should we link to it from the wiki?
21:18 LeeJ        #info LeeJ is continually updating the koha-docs kanban's wiki page to provide more help and information to new contributors
21:17 LeeJ        BobB: correct
21:17 LeeJ        #info the kanban itself breaks down into 3 general categories: epics are used to indicate individual releases, user stories are for specific components within each release that needs attention, and tasks are the actual things that need to be done
21:17 BobB        via 'Sign up' in the top right, I guess?
21:16 cait        #info Let LeeJ know if you need help joining the kanban board for ducumentation
21:16 LeeJ        the epics indicate the different Koha releases
21:15 LeeJ        if anyone has not joined the project please do or let me know if you need help joining!
21:15 LeeJ        so basically we can use it in almost a bugzilla-type fashion..just used exclusively for documentation
21:14 LeeJ        BobB++
21:14 BobB        #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/epics
21:14 BobB        how does it work? :)
21:14 LeeJ        sure :)
21:14 wahanui     link is probably both helpful/unhelpful
21:14 cait        link?
21:14 LeeJ        who has questions?
21:13 BobB        yep
21:13 LeeJ        alright..so some of you may have noticed my note in the reminder email about the kanban I created
21:12 LeeJ        cait: after you :)
21:12 LeeJ        #topic Workflows
21:12 LeeJ        I'll mention the kanban in the next topic as well after you give your info :)
21:12 LeeJ        oh well :P
21:12 cait        was just asked to mention it
21:11 cait        not me, rangi++ :)
21:11 LeeJ        rangi++
21:11 cait        rangi++
21:11 LeeJ        cait++ Joubu++
21:11 cait        my other thing goes to the next topic
21:11 LeeJ        :O
21:11 cait        so every time the manual is changed, it's regenerated
21:11 cait        #info the master branch now deploys to the https://koha-community.org/manual/18.05/en/html/ site each merge/push
21:11 LeeJ        great!
21:11 cait        one of it :)
21:11 cait        s
21:11 cait        ye
21:10 LeeJ        cait: would you like to include your info now?
21:10 LeeJ        #topic What's been done so far
21:10 LeeJ        moving on then!
21:09 LeeJ        any other intros? :)
21:09 cait        #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
21:09 davidnind   #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
21:08 georgew     #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
21:08 LeeJ        #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University
21:08 BobB        #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia
21:08 wahanui     #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
21:08 LeeJ        #topic Introductions
21:08 huginn      Current chairs: LeeJ edveal
21:08 LeeJ        #chair edveal
21:07 huginn      Current chairs: LeeJ
21:07 LeeJ        #chair LeeJ
21:07 huginn      The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_21_december_2017'
21:07 huginn      Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:07 huginn      Meeting started Thu Dec 21 21:07:38 2017 UTC.  The chair is LeeJ. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:07 LeeJ        #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 21 December 2017
21:07 LeeJ        alright ladies and gents let's get started!
21:07 davidnind   Hi LeeJ!
21:07 LeeJ        hi davidnind
21:06 LeeJ        I feel it can be filed under "What's been done so far"
21:06 BobB        thx
21:06 LeeJ        BobB yes it will be...I believe I created the kanban after that last meeting so it didn't come to mind to include it
21:05 BobB        LeeJ your  kanban is not on the agenda, will it be explained?
21:03 LeeJ        we'll start in 3 minutes and see where it goes
21:01 LeeJ        caboose should be here...he said he would be
21:01 LeeJ        hi BobB georgew
21:01 * LeeJ      waves to cait
21:00 LeeJ        I figure I'll give people about 5 minutes to get in if they're joining because I'm nice like that :)
21:00 * cait      waves
21:00 LeeJ        hello hello
20:59 BobB        hi georgew
20:59 georgew     good morning, BobB
20:58 wahanui     well, it's morning somewhere, yes
20:58 BobB        good morning
20:52 LeeJ        going afk for a few minutes but I'll be back to start the meeting
20:14 Nemo_bis    I changed CatalogModuleRelink but I don't understand whether it affects import https://koha-community.org/manual/17.05/html/02_administration.html#catalogmodulerelink
20:14 Nemo_bis    (with: oAuth error: Database unavailable (109) authorities Bib-1 )
20:13 Nemo_bis    link_bibs_to_authorities.pl failed on my previous attempt but let's see with this new instance
20:08 cait        it's not happening on import
20:08 cait        there is a script to link them
20:08 cait        not really
19:59 Nemo_bis    Does it matter whether I import bibrecords before authorities?
19:59 Nemo_bis    cait: as instructed, I made a sql files for the list of libraries (regex over csv from copy'n'paste from html...) and I'm now trying import again :)
19:24 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19867 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , HouseboundRoles.t is failing randomly
19:24 jenkins     Jonathan Druart: Bug 19867: Prevent HouseboundRoles.t to fail randomly
19:24 jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D8 build #322: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/322/
19:24 wahanui     o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
19:24 jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
19:14 oleonard    Bye all
19:07 cait        no idea
19:05 oleonard_   Okay maybe not broken... it's just that the 123$f plugin uses the same template as 123$g. On purpose?
18:59 kidclamp    bye koha, see you tomorrow
18:56 oleonard    Hey UNIMARC users, are you okay? The 123$f plugin has been broken since 2007.
18:50 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 19867: Prevent HouseboundRoles.t to fail randomly <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e465e3608cbc4422b695aaef2da26592706d82f>
18:47 * oleonard  's dinner isn't even ASSIGNED, let alone Signed Off
18:08 cait        dinner, then qa !
17:35 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19867 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , HouseboundRoles.t is failing randomly
17:35 jenkins     Joubu you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
17:35 Joubu       jenkins: bug 19867
17:08 oleonard    Whee
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19401 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Pushed to Master , No confirm message when deleting an invoice from invoice detail page
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19429 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Pushed to Master , No confirm message when deleting an invoice from invoice search
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19756 trivial, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Encoding issues when update DB is run from the interface
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19573 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Link to make a new list in masthead in OPAC only appears / works if no other list already exists
17:04 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19429: Rename .delete to .delete_invoice
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11976 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, david.bourgault, Pushed to Master , Add column settings + new column "Publication date" to the subscription table
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19725 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , OAI-PMH ListRecords and ListIdentifiers should use biblio_metadata.timestamp
17:04 jenkins     * aleishaamohia: Bug 19401: Add confirm message when deleting invoice
17:04 jenkins     * aleishaamohia: Bug 19429: Add confirm message when deleting invoice from invoice search
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19599 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , anonymise_issue_history can be very slow on large systems
17:04 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18201: Tidy tests
17:04 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19756: Fix encoding issues during the update DB process
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19830 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add the Koha::Patron->old_checkout method
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19694 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Edited shipping cost in invoice doesn't save
17:04 jenkins     * oleonard: Bug 19573: Link to make a new list in masthead in OPAC only appears /
17:04 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11976: Fix sorting issues
17:04 jenkins     * mtompset: Bug 11976: Add Publication date to subscription table (opac) + column
17:04 jenkins     * julian.maurice: Bug 19725: OAI-PMH - Use biblio_metadata.timestamp
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18201 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Export data -Fix "Remove non-local items" option and add "Removes non-local records" option for existing functionality
17:04 jenkins     * julian.maurice: Bug 19725: Add failing test
17:04 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19599: Speed anonymise_issue_history up
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19450 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , OverDrive integration failing on missing method
17:04 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19830: Add the Koha::Patron->old_checkouts method
17:04 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19694: Force scalar context for output_pref called with billingdate
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17770 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , t/db_dependent/Sitemapper.t fails when date changes during test run
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19845 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Patron password is ignored during self-registration if PatronSelfRegistrationVerifyByEmail is enabled
17:04 jenkins     * Nick Clemens: Bug 18201: Unit tests
17:04 jenkins     * Nick Clemens: Bug 18201: Export data -Fix "Remove non-local items" option and add
17:04 jenkins     * srdjan: Bug 19450: Fixed WebService::ILS bug upstream (0.17)
17:04 jenkins     * mtompset: Bug 17770: Perltidy
17:04 jenkins     * mtompset: Bug 17770: Improve perlcritic level
17:04 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19669 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove deprecated checkouts by patron category report
17:04 jenkins     * mtompset: Bug 17770: Fix Sitemapper.t if date changes during test run
17:04 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19845: Do not generate a password if one is filled on selfreg
17:04 jenkins     * kyle: Bug 19669: (QA follow-up) Remove itemstypes.plugin
17:04 jenkins     * oleonard: Bug 19669: Remove deprecated checkouts by patron category report
17:04 jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D8 build #321: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/321/
17:03 cait        bbiab :)
16:37 cait        btw Joubu++ thx for helping me fix bugs today and make libraries happier :)
16:36 cait        i just want people to be thoughtful at leat and not forget about translators :)
16:35 cait        staff less evil than opac  - bad bug etc
16:35 cait        y
16:35 cait        it depends on the bug reall
16:34 Joubu       but IIRC cait you disagreed with that :)
16:34 Joubu       fwiw I think it's better to have a non-translated string than a app which can crash
16:32 cait        best is always testing.... an dmaybe documenting your findings
16:32 kidclamp    sounds good
16:31 Joubu       kidclamp: ^
16:31 cait        not sure if the scripts would mark it fuzzy or not
16:30 cait        it should translate to %s in both cases
16:30 cait        i tihnk
16:30 cait        it should be ok
16:30 cait        Joubu: looking now
16:23 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 19429: Rename .delete to .delete_invoice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4d3b25bc21adfc768d18756b0973ddf37d69efa> / Bug 19401: Add confirm message when deleting invoice <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ec74621ca2f105c33b85645d6855918efbc28a7> / Bug 19429: Add confirm message when deleting invoice from invoice search page <http://git.koha-community.org/gi
16:16 Joubu       Do you know if this will affect translation?
16:16 Joubu       +                                                        <h5>Comment by [% review.patron.firstname %]</h5>
16:16 Joubu       cait: -                                                        <h5>Comment by [% review.firstname %]</h5>
16:01 TGoat       good morning :D
15:39 Joubu       thanks oleonard
15:39 khall       gah! can do!
15:39 Joubu       khall: you PQAed 19599  but it depends on 19830, can you have a quick look at it please?
15:38 oleonard    Joubu: I commented. Short answer: I think it's fine.
15:31 cait        you can#t use the most recent - routling list printing can be any issue, have to get the correct one, but we have a table and you have the serialid to look it up
15:29 Joubu       khall: here it is - https://gitlab.com/joubu/Koha/-/jobs/45506921
15:28 cait        there is serials_items
15:28 cait        kidclamp: i thnk you can find out the right one
15:28 * oleonard  will look
15:25 Joubu       we need consistency there
15:25 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19429 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Passed QA , No confirm message when deleting an invoice from invoice search
15:25 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19401 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Passed QA , No confirm message when deleting an invoice from invoice detail page
15:25 Joubu       oleonard: could you take a quick look at bug 19401 and bug 19429?
15:25 kidclamp    I think we could check for items, then place the routing list holds on the most recent item?
15:23 kidclamp    all sorts of bad happening here
15:23 kidclamp    AddReserve takes bibitems parameter and never uses it
15:23 kidclamp    so secondary issue is placing a bib level hold when serial may have a bunch of items
15:20 kidclamp    looks like the old problem involved constraintype and that is gone
15:19 Joubu       must we turn it off on existing install as well?
15:19 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19862 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , RoutingListAddReserves must be disabled by default
15:19 Joubu       bug 19862
15:18 cait        kidclamp: ^
15:18 cait        but i haven't tested it in a long while, all my notes are on the old bug
15:17 cait        it seems to have some code from times where you could have another type of holds
15:17 Joubu       Could not unlink /tmp/zZ8N4ai/Koha/Plugin/Com/ByWaterSolutions/KitchenSink.pm.pm: No such file or directory at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Plugins/Handler.pm line 105.
15:17 Joubu       tcohen: ^ this is weird: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/320/console
15:17 cait        kidclamp: maybe
15:16 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15839 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Move the reviews related code to Koha::Reviews
15:16 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19843 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , reviews.datereviewed is not set
15:16 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19843: (bug 15839 follow-up) Set reviews.datereviewed when the
15:16 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19808: Do not display 'Added' alone
15:16 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19808 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Reviews from deleted patrons make few scripts to explode
15:16 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19808: Handle deleted reviewers gracefully -
15:16 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19808: Handle deleted reviewers gracefully - opac-showreview
15:16 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19808: (follow-up) Handle deleted reviewers gracefully - opac-detail
15:16 jenkins     * victor.grousset: Bug 19808: Handle deleted reviewers gracefully - opac-detail
15:16 jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D8 build #320: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/320/
15:14 Joubu       quick fix would be if ( 0 and RoutingListAddReserves ) { # FIXME Always false, but this is broken
15:14 cait        i
15:14 kidclamp    even if routing place holds is on
15:14 Joubu       but maybe it failed quietly before
15:13 kidclamp    I think quick fix is don't add holds when no item, makes sense cait?
15:13 Joubu       sounds like a long standing bug
15:13 Joubu       yep
15:13 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19315 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Routing preview may use wrong biblionumber
15:13 kidclamp    well, bug 19315 didn't cause this, and fixes others, so think can push that
15:13 Joubu       so what would be a quick fix for the tomorrow's 17.11 release?
15:13 cait        also with no branch set
15:13 cait        can i savely deploy the current fix if we have it turned off? seems to work alright then
15:13 cait        probably needs to be rewritten now
15:12 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7957 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Routing lists: manage several routing list for each subscription, and export them as CSV
15:12 cait        bug 7957
15:12 cait        but it got stuck
15:12 cait        we had a patch fixing it
15:12 * kidclamp  hands cait a roundtuit - go forth and fix it :-)
15:12 cait        most annoying.
15:11 cait        yes
15:11 Joubu       it's the default value...
15:11 cait        it's on my 'most annoying bugs list'
15:11 Joubu       installer/data/mysql/sysprefs.sql:('RoutingListAddReserves','1','','If ON the patrons on routing lists are automatically added to holds on the issue.','YesNo'),
15:11 Joubu       ha...
15:11 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2894 major, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Routing list holds are broken
15:11 cait        bug 2894
15:11 cait        they are broken
15:11 cait        routing list holds should never be turned on
15:10 Joubu       it tries to insert a reserve with a fk branchcode == null
15:09 Joubu       if no item and no library and RoutingListAddReserves is set, dbi explodes
15:09 Joubu       cait: kidclamp found a bug on 19315
15:06 cait        should i set to signed off?
15:04 kidclamp    agreed, but the sort field should only have one in the end
15:04 cait        Joubu: fixes for 19315 work for 16.11 - signing off on those
15:00 Joubu       kidclamp: if a value does not exist you may want to pick the next/another one, instead of none
14:59 Joubu       oleonard asked the purpose of the feature, not if it works :D
14:58 kidclamp    but multiple sort values causes issues
14:58 kidclamp    we should enforce only one value as sortable, or have a fallthrough
14:58 oleonard    I have tried reordering, but it doesn't appear to save. The order is the same afterwards.
14:57 Joubu       it should
14:57 kidclamp    not sure
14:57 kidclamp    I am not it actually has affect
14:57 Joubu       for facet for instance, or sort
14:57 huginn      Bug 18827: normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Elasticsearch mappings - not displayed or retrieved in saved order
14:57 kidclamp    https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18827
14:56 Joubu       for the indexation order
14:56 oleonard    kidclamp perhaps you know?
14:56 oleonard    Joubu: What is the purpose of the reordering feature of the search engine configuration page? (admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.pl)
14:44 cait        Joubu++
14:44 tcohen      my typing skills today...
14:44 marcelr     onerds
14:44 tcohen      s/he/me
14:44 tcohen      irc logs will help he on trial
14:43 oleonard    Good ole onard
14:43 kidclamp    now oleonard is gonna cash in on that sweet Onard licensing
14:42 oleonard    Quantum Onards®
14:42 kidclamp    took me a minute to figure that out
14:42 tcohen      :-P
14:41 kidclamp    s/onards/onwards
14:40 tcohen      the only problem will be the end of support for JSPrintSetup in Quantum onards
14:38 cait        we use ESR, no known problems
14:38 gaetan_B    so they don't necessarily want firefox to update itself, so esr yes
14:38 oleonard    Definitely ESR for those libraries.
14:38 gaetan_B    but this issue is specifically for libraries that are part of organizations which monitor updates very closely
14:38 gaetan_B    oleonard: just wondering whether we should tell libraries they need to make sure they have a version above a given version
14:37 * oleonard  typically assumes that Firefox updates itself
14:37 gaetan_B    ah good idea yes, thanks tcohen
14:37 oleonard    gaetan_B: I don't think we've ever recommended a minimum. Are you looking for support of a particular feature?
14:36 tcohen      ESR?
14:35 gaetan_B    do we recommend a minimum version of firefox to use koha?
14:34 tcohen      read both
14:34 tcohen      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ICU_chains_configuration
14:34 tcohen      read this first
14:34 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19315 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Routing preview may use wrong biblionumber
14:34 jenkins     Jonathan Druart: Bug 19315: Prevent crash if no items and not library set for the
14:34 jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D8 build #319: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/319/
14:34 cait        thx tcohen
14:33 tcohen      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ICU_Chains_Library
14:32 munee       yaz-icu ?
14:29 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 19843: (bug 15839 follow-up) Set reviews.datereviewed when the review is made <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=11b562e0d1dbca1243e7ab9305741360b2114db6> / Bug 19808: Do not display 'Added' alone <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2d88cfb28d54fe0e6f5714d5bcd3746076cffa5> / Bug 19808: Handle deleted reviewers gracefully - reviews/reviewswaiting.pl <http://git.
14:27 cait        if you wnat to search with non-latin characters, you need icu
14:24 munee       so anyone ?. how to make it work ?
14:22 cait        thx, answering another ticket, then back to the routing list problem :)
14:22 marcelr     munee just kidding
14:22 munee       koha-tune command not found
14:21 marcelr     koha-tune --restart Joubu
14:20 Joubu       cait, tcohen: ^?
14:18 munee       how to tune Joubu ?
14:16 Joubu       cait: they are
14:15 cait        Joubu: can you ping me when patches are ready for testing?
14:13 Joubu       you need to tune Zebra I guess
14:10 munee       but if i enter title in divehi language, I cant see the book title while searchng
14:10 munee       thing is wen i add a record, if i give english.its fine. ican see all the title and everything while searching
14:09 Joubu       munee: can you describe the issue you face? Did you check the log file?
14:09 clrh        hello
14:08 munee       17.11
14:08 munee       latest on1
14:08 Joubu       munee: which version of Koha are you using?
14:07 munee       needa help. i cant enter any title/other fields in my local language. .
14:07 tcohen      next dev meeting is check https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
14:06 wahanui     tcohen: I forgot next dev meeting
14:06 tcohen      wahanui: forget next dev meeting
14:06 munee       hi all
14:06 wahanui     next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
14:06 Joubu       next meeting?
14:06 wahanui     i guess next dev meeting is tenatively scheduled for 23 April, and project roles will be voted on there
14:06 tcohen      next dev meeting?
14:05 wahanui     dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Developers_IRC_Meetings
14:05 tcohen      dev meeting?
13:57 huginn      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 19315: Prevent crash if no items and not library set for the subscription <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47d8320deaabe420d0a13f4a4403ae650f5b6c74>
13:48 cait        ok, i will wiat for you
13:48 Joubu       cait: I am going to submit and push a follow on 19315, then provide a 17.05 and 16.11 versions
13:47 LeeJ        cait: hi there!
13:47 LeeJ        hi #koha
13:47 * LeeJ      waves
13:47 cait        hi LeeJ
13:46 cait        the patches didn't apply
13:45 cait        so what are we going to do?
13:45 cait        not well named
13:45 cait        ah
13:40 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19315 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Routing preview may use wrong biblionumber
13:40 Joubu       cait: it's bug 19315
13:39 cait        thank you!
13:39 Joubu       I test it and attach it
13:39 Joubu       I have almost a patch
13:37 cait        broken on live system and on my devbox
13:36 cait        so trying to fix it quickly
13:36 cait        we broke this with an update from 3.22 to 16.11 for a library
13:36 Joubu       ha
13:36 cait        you don't have to have items for serials
13:35 cait        there is no item
13:35 Joubu       hum, the holding branch of the item is not a branch defined in the system (??)
13:35 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19858 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [16.11] Routing list preview/printing broken
13:35 cait        bug 19858
13:34 cait        if you could nudge me int he right direction that would be cool
13:34 cait        was about to file a new bug
13:34 cait        just posted a comment Can't call method "branchname" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/serials/routing-preview.pl line 69.
13:34 Joubu       cait: script+line number?
13:31 cait        seems different than 19766
13:30 cait        can't call method branchname on an undefined value...
13:29 cait        it looks like routing list preview is broken in 16.11 too :(
13:25 cait        well morning tcohen - late here :)
13:25 cait        morning all
12:59 merry_n     ok, get it)) thanks))
12:59 tcohen      morning #koha
12:54 tuxayo      Hi Joubu :) wahanui shouldn't be mad as it wasn't against it. Or maybe it's by empathy with huginn ?
12:52 tuxayo      Not you wahanui , you are great ;)
12:52 Joubu       tuxayo: be care, now you have 2 bots against you
12:49 huginn      tuxayo: I suck
12:49 wahanui     :(
12:49 tuxayo      huginn: bad bot!
12:49 tuxayo      merry_n: That ↑ confirms that you were trolled by this bot!
12:49 huginn      tuxayo: I've exhausted my database of quotes
12:49 * wahanui   huh, good god y'all, what is it good for, absolutely nothing
12:49 tuxayo      huginn: what is RDA?
12:45 cait1       eduroam++ - doubled up cait
12:41 Joubu       you use "me" when there is a join
12:36 alex_a_     Joubu: So when we do search({'field' => $value}), it's the wrong way?
12:36 oleonard    Yo
12:36 merry_n     Thank you!
12:35 huginn      merry_n: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
12:35 merry_n     @ what do you mean?
12:34 huginn      merry_n: I've exhausted my database of quotes
12:34 merry_n     @cait Could you send me a link with an example of 3 levels?
12:32 cait        morning Joubu :)
12:29 Joubu       alex_a_: yes, it's the DBIx::Class way
12:26 Joubu       hi #koha
11:57 cait        [off] http://www.dlr.de/zb/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-8232/14127_read-36319/
11:56 cait        it's before the holidays, maybe it just takes  abit of time to get some answers
11:56 cait        i think on the list i have seen some archives too
11:56 cait        for the manuscripts we have 3 levels and some customizations (xslt, indexing, ...)
11:55 cait        merry_n: we work with an archive and have presentations for manuscrips
11:46 merry_n     My question from tomorrow remained unanswered. I'd like to hear from someone who catalogs archives in Koha.
11:45 merry_n     Great! Hi :)
11:42 cait        yes, almost always soemone is here :)
11:42 merry_n     Someone here?
11:42 merry_n     Hi
11:38 cait        i think it's a bit too early
11:31 wahanui     Joubu is probably not sure how to fix that correctly
11:31 cait        Joubu?
11:31 cait        sorry have to pass
11:17 alex_a_     QA question: is using of "me.field" when search objects is validated/authorized in community coding guidelines?
11:00 cait        khall++
10:56 khall       mornin!
10:56 * cait      waves at khall
10:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19751 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Holds awaiting pickup report should not be fixed-width
10:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19775 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Search/History.t is failing randomly
10:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19724 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Add timestamp to biblio_metadata and deletedbiblio_metadata
10:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18907 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Warning "dpkg-source: warning: relation < is deprecated: use << or <="
10:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12497 minor, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Pushed to Stable , Make OPAC search history feature accessible when it should
10:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19674 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Broken indicators of changed fields in manage staged MARC records template
10:48 jenkins     * oleonard: Bug 19751: Holds awaiting pickup report should not be fixed-width
10:48 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19775: Try & prevent Search/History.t to fail randomly
10:48 huginn      Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19595 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Clicking plugin link does not fill item's date acquired field
10:48 jenkins     * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19724: DBIC Schema changes
10:48 jenkins     * mtompset: Bug 18907: Build has deprecating message
10:48 jenkins     * victor.grousset: Bug 12497: Fix OPAC search history reachable by URL even when disabled
10:48 jenkins     * victor.grousset: Bug 12497: Fix search history non-accessible when OPAC was private
10:48 jenkins     * oleonard: Bug 19674: Broken indicators of changed fields in manage staged MARC
10:48 jenkins     * oleonard: Bug 19595: Clicking plugin link does not fill item's date acquired field
10:48 jenkins     Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #59: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05_D8/59/
10:31 cait        translate down for everyone?
10:29 cait        jajm++
10:28 cait        thank you! :)
10:28 * andreashm gives cait the cookie jar
10:27 cait        andreashm: lots of different stuff, just have to work through one by one
09:59 andreashm   bummer
09:55 cait        breaking
09:55 andreashm   exploding stuff?
09:49 * cait      wishes things would stop exploding today
09:49 * cait      waves back
09:48 * andreashm waves
09:22 butt        thanks
09:21 cait        and a support provider should know how to fix
09:21 cait        check the wiki page above
09:16 butt        is it possible for you give me qurey command for this
09:15 cait        it has to be done with SQL update
09:15 cait        can't fix it i mean
09:15 cait        you can#t do this from the gui
09:15 cait        you might have to contact your providr
09:14 butt        ?
09:14 butt        or by using msql command
09:14 butt        is it possible to delelet it from webmin
09:14 butt        how to delete it
09:13 butt        total library solution for pakistan
09:13 cait        you are using a provider where it's hosted?
09:12 butt        its tls solution
09:12 cait        tls?
09:12 butt        its tls
09:11 cait        you need to give the exact version
09:11 cait        16 is not the ful version - we do 2 full releases every year
09:11 cait        i am looking for instructions
09:11 cait        the easiest fix is to delete the doubled up number from the deleted* tables with sql
09:11 butt        how to resolve it plz help me
09:10 butt        koha 16
09:09 cait        the problem with checkin is this: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DBMS_auto_increment_fix
09:09 cait        which version is this?
09:09 cait        hm ok, that's a different issue
09:09 butt        can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/about.pl line 343.
09:09 butt        yes its shows the folloing message ''an't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/about.pl line 343'' what shoud i do to fix it plz
09:08 cait        did you check the about page as it told you?
09:08 cait        yes
09:06 butt        when going to checkin an item it shows following message " The item has not been checked in due to a configuration issue in your system. You must ask an administrator to take a look at the about page and search for the "data problems" section'' anybody plz help me out to fix it
09:05 wahanui     cait: I forgot issue
09:05 cait        forget issue
09:05 wahanui     somebody said the issue was more like "what information do I want to show on jcamins's screenshot." :P
09:05 cait        what's the issue?
09:04 butt        please help me
09:04 butt        i am facing a issue in checkin
08:19 cait        good morning #koha!
08:18 wahanui     bidet, gaetan_B
08:18 gaetan_B    hello
07:42 wahanui     bidet, alex_a
07:42 alex_a      hello
07:38 cait        have to hurry to get ready for work, bbiab
07:37 marcelr     hi cait
07:37 cait        hi marcelr
07:31 marcelr     hi #koha
07:28 * cait      should go and have breakfast and stop messing around with bugs
07:27 huginn      cait: The operation succeeded.
07:27 cait        @later tell kidclamp ignore, already fixed!
07:27 huginn      cait: The operation succeeded.
07:27 cait        @later tell kidclamp check comments on bug 19724 :)
07:11 ashok       i need help to host my library in koha cloud