Time  Nick           Message
07:01 magnuse        ~~~
07:18 LibraryClaire  hi magnuse
07:18 wahanui        kamelåså
07:19 magnuse        Guten Morgen, BüchereiKlara. Wie geht's?
08:08 alex_a         bonjour
08:10 gaetan_B       hello
08:10 wahanui        hola, gaetan_B
08:11 LibraryClaire  hi magnuse, gut danke! Sorry was looking at my other screens :D
08:22 reiveune       hello
08:32 fridolin       hi there
08:32 wahanui        privet, fridolin
08:37 magnuse        LibraryClaire: me too :-)
09:28 clrh           hi
09:44 magnuse        bonjour clrh
09:48 eythian        hi
09:48 wahanui        niihau, eythian
10:56 * cait         wabes
10:56 cait           hm
10:56 * cait         waves
10:56 josef_moravec  ;)
10:56 cait           feels like Monday...
11:16 * mveron       waves
12:42 oleonard       Yo
12:43 tcohen         hi oleonard
12:43 wahanui        hi oleopard
12:49 Joubu          hola #koha
12:49 tcohen         hola Joubu
12:51 LibraryClaire  hi oleonard and Joubu and tcohen
12:55 oleonard       matts++
12:55 matts          oleonard, for koct ?
12:55 oleonard       Yes, thanks!
12:55 matts          you're welcome :)
12:56 oleonard       With so much going wrong with Firefox addons these days, it's nice to get some good news!
12:56 matts          It just has been approved by Mozilla, so the update should be available right now
12:56 * oleonard     sheds a tear for Tabs Mix Plus
12:57 eythian        I think I saw some tab extensions were coming back
12:57 eythian        not perfectly yet, but getting there
12:58 tcohen         matts++
13:02 oleonard       Does anyone know why a lost item fee might not be charged to the patron's account... sometimes?
13:02 oleonard       In our production 17.05.05 installation fees are charged for lost items in some tests but not others.
13:03 oleonard       I didn't think there were any patron category-related settings for it
13:04 oleonard       WhenLostChargeReplacementFee is set to "charge"
13:04 tcohen         is it a vanilla 17.05?
13:06 oleonard       Yes
13:18 Joubu          17.05.?
13:18 wahanui        somebody said 17.05 was coming very soon, do we have time for majors and criticals?
13:18 Joubu          .05, sorry :)
13:20 Joubu          there is WhenLostForgiveFine as well
13:20 Joubu          but if it is on the same installation, the behaviour should stay the same
13:24 Joubu          @seen marcelr
13:24 huginn         Joubu: marcelr was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <marcelr> he just got out
13:27 tcohen         alex_a: around?
13:28 alex_a         tcohen: yes!
13:28 alex_a         (hello)
13:28 tcohen         I'm looking at the libraries endpoint right now
13:29 tcohen         would you agree it is a good candidate for renaming all the attributes?
13:29 tcohen         branchname => name, branchcity => city, and so on?
13:30 tcohen         and there are a couple 'unused' params we should definitely remove from the API
14:54 tcohen         dev meeting?
14:54 wahanui        i guess dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Developers_IRC_Meetings
14:55 cait           now?
14:55 wahanui        hey now now, sing this corrosion to me
14:55 Joubu          next meeting?
14:55 Joubu          next meetings?
14:55 Joubu          next meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
14:56 Joubu          next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
14:56 Joubu          next dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
14:56 Joubu          next meeting?
14:56 wahanui        well, next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Next_IRC_meetings
14:58 cait           pet peeve... don't link 'here'
14:58 cait           links shoudl be meaningful words :)
14:59 oleonard       Agreed
15:00 Freddy_Enrique Hi everyone
15:01 cait           hi Freddy_Enrique
15:16 Joubu          calendar?
15:16 wahanui        calendar is right
15:16 Joubu          calendar is https://koha-community.org/calendar/
15:17 tcohen         wahanui: forget that
15:17 wahanui        tcohen: I forgot that
15:17 Joubu          calendar?
15:17 wahanui        calendar is right
15:17 Joubu          forget calendar
15:17 wahanui        Joubu: I forgot calendar
15:17 Joubu          calendar is https://koha-community.org/calendar/
15:17 Joubu          calendar?
15:17 wahanui        i guess calendar is https://koha-community.org/calendar/
15:17 Joubu          good guess
15:17 tcohen         .-P
15:18 Freddy_Enrique I'm getting scared....
15:18 Freddy_Enrique looks like virus
15:20 eythian        Joubu: try:
15:20 eythian        no wahanui, calendar is https://koha-community.org/calendar/
15:20 wahanui        i already had it that way, eythian.
15:20 eythian        for that sort of thing
15:20 eythian        it does a replace
15:20 Joubu          eythian: thanks, I will try to remember that :)
15:20 tcohen         eythian: you mean trolling wahanui?
15:20 oleonard       no wahanui, capybara is the largest rodent
15:21 eythian        capybara?
15:21 wahanui        capybara is the largest rodent
15:21 eythian        tcohen: would I ever do something like that?
15:21 eythian        hi oleonard
15:21 wahanui        hi dear loon
15:21 * tcohen       looks suspiciously at eythian
15:22 Joubu          oleonard: ! I saw hundred of them this week-end!
15:22 Joubu          they are called carpincho here
15:23 * oleonard     is jealous
15:23 eythian        wahanui: carpincho is <reply>ask me about the capybara, $who
15:23 wahanui        OK, eythian.
15:24 Joubu          they look like a mix between a guinea pig and hippopotamuses...
15:25 Joubu          the nature is weird sometimes
15:33 Freddy_Enrique jajaja
16:13 reiveune       bye
16:58 Joubu          tcohen: Does bug 19760 make sense to you?
16:58 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19760 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Die instead of warn if koha-conf is not accessible
17:33 Joubu          @later tell tcohen Does bug 19760 make sense to you?
17:33 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
17:41 oleonard       Can't call method "unblessed" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/serials/routing.pl line 99
17:42 oleonard       Oh I wonder if this is because of my messed-up borrowers table again.
17:42 * LeeJ         waves
17:42 LeeJ           hi #koha
17:43 greenjimll     Hi!
17:43 Joubu          oleonard: I guess so, subscriptionroutinglist has a FK on borrowers, so it should not happen
17:43 LeeJ           hi greenjimll
17:44 greenjimll     Bug 19760 looks pretty sensible to me - if there's no config things are likely to go badly wrong anyway.
17:44 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19760 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Die instead of warn if koha-conf is not accessible
17:46 Joubu          greenjimll: so you are going to sign it off, right? :)
17:46 greenjimll     Just firing up the old kohadevbox now.
18:00 greenjimll     OK, I've signed off on 19760. Even documented my test. :-)
18:06 Joubu          thx!
18:17 tcohen         Joubu: I would raise an exception instead, of course
18:25 * cait         waves
18:28 greenjimll     Hi Cait
18:28 cait           hi greenjimll
18:33 em_            hey  guys
18:34 em_            i am trying to open OPAC page and it says Apache2 Ubuntu Default Page error and I'm not able to access it... can anyone help?
18:36 Joubu          em_: Try to disable the default site
18:36 em_            it was working fine before... until I try to build zebra files
18:36 Joubu          sudo a2dissite default; sudo reload apache2
18:36 Joubu          sudo service apache2 reload
18:38 em_            sudo dissite default... I get the error message ERROR: Site default does not exist!
18:39 Joubu          sudo a2dissite 000-default
18:39 em_            site 000-deault lready disabled
18:40 em_            *already
18:40 Joubu          Tale a look at the apache logs then
18:40 em_            how do I do that?
18:41 Joubu          sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log
18:41 Joubu          then hit the page
18:41 em_            i went ahead and tried sudo reload apace2... it gave me error: reload: unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/up start:connection refused
18:42 Joubu          ubuntu version?
18:43 em_            yes
18:43 Joubu          which ubuntu version are you using?
18:43 Joubu          did you made an upgrade recently?
18:45 em_            16.04 LTS
18:45 em_            no i haven't made any upgrades
18:45 em_            but I was trying to do the zebra files
18:46 em_            I was following the steps from http://kohageek.blogspot.com/2013/08/installing-multiple-instances-of-koha.html this link
18:46 Joubu          it's old and certainly wrong
18:46 em_            ohh
18:46 Joubu          please follow the official documentation
18:46 em_            didn't know that
18:46 em_            where is the official document?
18:46 em_            the only thing I got is this https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#Zebra-related
18:47 em_            and here it only gave me commands but didn't give me how to set up zebra files
18:47 Joubu          installation?
18:47 wahanui        installation is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
18:47 Joubu          https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
18:48 Joubu          you just need the rebuild command
18:48 em_            how do i rebuild it?
18:49 em_            is there a way I can get my OPAC page back online?
18:49 Joubu          On the link you just pasted:  sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v  instancename
18:50 em_            ok
18:51 em_            it still doesn't bring back my opac
18:51 em_            it now says this site can't be reached
18:52 Joubu          sudo service apache2 restart
18:52 Joubu          and look at the apache logs
18:52 * LeeJ         waves to cait
18:52 em_            what should I be looking in the log...
18:53 Joubu          open 2 terminals:
18:53 Joubu          on the first one: sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log
18:53 Joubu          on the second one: sudo service apache2 restart
18:53 Joubu          and get back to the first one
18:53 em_            ok
18:54 em_            now to look at the log i need to use the command sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log right?
18:55 Joubu          yes
18:55 em_            ok
18:57 em_            when I enter this sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log command I get a huge chunk of text in the terminal itself...
18:57 em_            is it correct?
18:57 Joubu          ye
18:57 Joubu          s
18:58 em_            where can I find the 2 terminals in that?
18:58 em_            or what should I do next?
19:01 Joubu          I am sorry, I have no idea how I can help more
19:01 Joubu          you need to know what is the apache error. This error should be in the apache log file (/var/log/apache2/error.log) when the apache2 service is restart (sudo service apache2 restart)
19:06 pastebot       "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error when trying to preview routing slip" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/103
19:08 Joubu          oleonard: master?
19:08 wahanui        master is the development branch of koha
19:08 oleonard       Yes
19:09 Joubu          how can I try that?
19:10 cait           make a subscription
19:10 oleonard       Serials -> Find subscription -> "Edit routing list" in the sidebar -> Save -> "Save and preview routing slip"
19:10 cait           ah :)
19:11 cait           make sure routing is turned on in system preferences :)
19:14 Joubu          work for me
19:15 oleonard       Thanks for checking Joubu
19:15 Joubu          ha no
19:15 Joubu          it explodes if I add a recipent
19:18 Joubu          oleonard: outch, that is very wrong. Did you open a bug report yet?
19:18 oleonard       No
19:28 Joubu          bug 19766
19:28 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19766 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Preview routing slip is broken
19:35 Joubu          patch attached
19:37 cait           Joubu++
19:38 Freddy_Enrique Heh....
19:40 oleonard       Works for me Joubu, thanks
19:41 Joubu          This routine is very badly written :-/
19:43 cait           routing code is pretty old
19:43 cait           we have quite a few broken features in serials too
19:43 cait           there is a patch from biblibre about mulitple routing lists... that also fixed routing list holds
19:43 cait           but it got stuck somewhere :(
19:45 Joubu          bug 7957
19:45 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7957 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Routing lists: manage several routing list for each subscription, and export them as CSV
19:47 oleonard       As far as I can tell serial-issues.pl isn't used at all. I can't find any link to it.
19:47 cait           hm have you checked bugzilla?
19:48 cait           hm thought i had seen a bug report coming ot the same conclusion
19:48 cait           but not finding it
19:48 Joubu          oleonard: you should leave this area ASAP
19:49 oleonard       :)
19:49 * oleonard     looks for his hard hat
19:49 Joubu          koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serial-issues-full.tt:  <a class=" button serial" href="serial-issues.pl?biblionumber=[% biblionumber %]&amp;selectview=small">Compact view</a>
19:49 Joubu          koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serial-issues.tt:    <a href="/cgi-bin/koha/serials/serial-issues.pl?biblionumber=[% biblionumber %]&amp;selectview=full">Complete view</a>
19:49 oleonard       Right, it only links to itself!
19:49 Joubu          the second one it not relevant
19:50 cait           have you tried accessing it?
19:51 Joubu          I think there is a trick to access it from the interface, but cannot find it with grep
19:51 oleonard       It seems to kind of work. It's like the OPAC version. But I think it duplicates what subscription-detail shows.
19:53 cait           i don't have subscriotions in this database
19:53 cait           have to create data
19:54 oleonard       Yeah that's the worst part about testing subscriptions :(
19:54 cait           heh
19:54 cait           which parameter does it take?
19:54 oleonard       biblionumber
19:54 wahanui        somebody said biblionumber was Koha's internal id number, its used by Koha, and shouldnt be used by humans for anything
19:54 cait           ah i see
19:54 cait           biblionumber
19:54 wahanui        i heard biblionumber was Koha's internal id number, its used by Koha, and shouldnt be used by humans for anything
19:54 Joubu          I always click "next" several times, like when you install something on windows
19:54 cait           i thin i'd file a bug to remove it
19:54 * Joubu        likes that
19:56 oleonard       Bug 19767
19:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19767 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , serial-issues.pl is unused and should be removed
19:59 Joubu          koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/serials/serial-issues-full.tt:  <a href="opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=[% biblionumber %]" class="button">Back to biblio</a>
19:59 Joubu          it points to the opac page...
20:00 oleonard       Time to go. See y'all later.
20:50 mavhc          Hi, I'm looking at advising some schools in UK to switch to Koha as their current system is terrible, but they do like the kid friendly interface, is anyone working on interface improvements I can read about?
20:51 cait           hm I think some have creeated a more kid friendly look with the customizations options in Koha
20:51 cait           using CSS
20:51 wahanui        rumour has it using CSS is a bit better than jquery - will work even if people have javascript off
20:51 cait           you can also turn on/off a lot of the features in the OPAC
20:51 kidclamp       *cough* caboose *cough* ^
20:51 cait           heh
20:58 mavhc          thanks, I'll check out the css options
21:45 LeeJ           mavhc: hi! if you're able to catch caboose when he's on he can be a lot more helpful on the topic of kid-friendly OPACs :)
21:45 LeeJ           (as kidclamp referenced to)
21:50 cait           /me waves at LeeJ
21:51 LeeJ           cait: hi!\
21:51 * cait         waves
21:52 cait           ah better
21:53 LeeJ           :D
21:55 LeeJ           cait: I don't know where we should begin for the 18.05 kohadocs..how did you pick where to start? :P
21:56 cait           i didn't really
21:56 cait           ... just somewhere heh
21:56 cait           i wanted to do more of course
21:59 cait           system prefs maybe?
22:00 LeeJ           I like the idea lol
22:54 LeeJ           bye #koha