Time Nick Message 06:41 LibraryClaire morning #koha 06:56 magnuse ~~~ 06:56 josef_moravec morning #koha 07:22 cait morning josef_moravec 07:22 cait thx for the qa :) 07:22 josef_moravec cait: you're welcome ;) 07:26 marcelr hi #koha 07:27 josef_moravec mi marcelr 07:27 marcelr o/ 07:27 josef_moravec s/mi/hi/ ;) 07:27 josef_moravec you understand ;) 07:31 * cait waves at marcelr 07:31 cait bbiab 07:31 marcelr hi cait 07:38 reiveune hello 08:12 gaetan_B hello 08:12 wahanui privet, gaetan_B 08:19 fridolin hi 08:20 fridolin who is freeeeezing like me ? -1°C this morning 08:20 fridolin ice on the car window and all 08:21 fridolin what is next ? 1m snow ? 08:21 fridolin :D 08:22 oha fridolin: we had ice on the walkways for several weeks now :( 08:22 josef_moravec fridolin: me too ;) 08:23 josef_moravec the winter is comng... ) 08:27 fridolin walkways for whitewalkers .... 08:30 cait we have a little bit of snow dusted over everything 09:07 marcelr fridolin: 17951 why not enabel TT cache under Plack? 09:08 fridolin marcelr: we add issues, 2 ways of persistance is not good 09:08 cait hm it's what we recommend atm 09:08 fridolin cait: ATM ? 09:08 cait if you look at the Koha information tab, it will complain if either is not active it hink 09:09 cait at the moment 09:09 marcelr fridolin: the persistance is not in the same area 09:09 marcelr one is the code, other is the template 09:10 fridolin marcelr: I know but we had some issues, TT should not be shared between Plack workers 09:10 fridolin there could be parts that are not the same 09:10 fridolin I dont have explicit example 09:10 marcelr it might be interesting to add a report on that 09:10 fridolin but with plack it is so much faster, we do not need TT cache 09:11 fridolin cait confirmed there can be issues 09:11 marcelr i didnt enable tt cache either, so i cant confirm issues 09:11 cait no i didn't 09:11 fridolin marcelr: yep but i dont know where to tell it 09:11 cait ? 09:11 marcelr and now i am not that motivated to enable it 09:11 cait we have it active now 09:11 cait so far no issues 09:11 cait but we haven't using it for long now 09:11 fridolin cait: ah but you dont recommand it ? 09:12 cait i never said that - i said that using it is what Koha recommends 09:12 cait so if there are issues, we need to track them down and adjust what we tell users to do 09:12 cait because Koha tells you to activate it and that's what we did 09:15 marcelr added a comment in that sense 09:15 fridolin ah oki cait sorry 09:16 fridolin ok we will see if issues can be directly linked to it 09:16 cait sorry, it was confusing 09:16 fridolin lets hope not 09:16 fridolin cait: btw what is ATM ? 09:19 cait atm = at the moment 09:19 cait I've got a SIP related question 09:19 cait we see problems wehre the self checks print/show the wrong due dates 09:19 cait when you change the calendar, the only thing that helps is a sip/plack/whatever restart 09:20 cait is there any way around this? is this a known issue? 09:22 fridolin we are on testing ES Bug 19739 09:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19739 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Add default ES configuration to koha-conf.xml 09:22 fridolin cait: big pb indeed, we are just on it 09:23 fridolin all sysprefs are in this case 09:23 cait ah interesting 09:23 fridolin we know that there is a Koha::Caches flush in plack.psgi 09:23 cait do you know what's cuasing it yet? 09:23 fridolin but is it all caches ? 09:23 fridolin calendar is the worst 09:23 cait i thought command line scripts were not using plack 09:24 fridolin SIP is not a command line script 09:24 fridolin btw whe added a nighly restart of SIP server 09:24 cait yeah, that's what we plan to do now too 09:24 fridolin it is realy adviced 09:25 fridolin for peristance and also memory leaks 09:25 cait fridolin: should I file a bug report? 09:25 fridolin please yes 09:25 fridolin maybe there is already one 09:25 cait I think we never did the restart and it seemed fine on our installations so far -no memory leaks 09:25 fridolin you have seen that with plack 2 workers, when changing a syspref 09:25 cait but the configuration issue makes it necessary 09:26 cait yeah, but it seems better now with 16.11 09:26 cait and memcached 09:26 wahanui memcached is running, but I dunno it Koha uses it. 09:26 fridolin you get the new value, refresh F5, you have the old one ? 09:26 cait yep 09:26 cait i know that, it seems better now since we upgraded and turned on memcached 09:26 fridolin ah strange 09:27 cait I think there is some basic caching gong on without memcached 09:27 cait and that doesn'tnotice when you change a pref 09:27 fridolin maybe defaut koha cache does not support flushing 09:27 cait so far it has been much better with memcached and using 16.11 than before without on 3.22 09:27 cait that's what we guessed 09:27 fridolin interesing 09:34 cait bug 19740 09:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19740 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Self checks calculating wrong due dates / configuration changes go unnoticed 10:03 eythian hi 10:17 cait hi eythian 10:17 eythian hello cait 10:33 eythian hoi marcelr 10:34 marcelr hey eythian 10:34 wahanui go back to bed, eythian 10:34 eythian ahh, would that I could 10:34 marcelr he just got out 11:18 cait someone familiar with EDIFACT around? 11:30 kidclamp khall is a good bet cait 12:37 oleonard Hi #koha 12:39 * kidclamp waves 12:44 eythian hi oleopard 13:01 tcohen morning#koha 13:01 LibraryClaire hi tcohen, hi oleonard 13:01 tcohen hi kidclamp, Joubu 13:01 tcohen hi LibraryClaire ! 13:01 eythian LibraryClaire: *oleopard 13:01 eythian sheesh! 13:18 * cait waves 13:22 oleonard Anyone else getting an error on circ/transferstoreceive.pl in master? 13:23 LibraryClaire oleonard, I do if there is potentially something to receive (I think). Otherwise it just tells me no transfers 13:23 LibraryClaire ie, after I changed branch I got Internal Server error 13:23 oleonard Thanks LibraryClaire 13:24 LibraryClaire and a char encoding message in hte JS Console 13:24 oleonard Monday log: Sanity Check #1 passed. 13:24 LibraryClaire sanity is overrated 13:24 * LibraryClaire grins 13:25 oleonard LibraryClaire: I think the console error happens because the error page isn't well formed 13:26 LibraryClaire gotcha 13:33 eythian It's like the apache message you sometimes see, along the lines of "your request was a 404, but I also got a 404 while trying to find the error page." 13:36 clrh hellow 13:38 oleonard Hi clrh! 13:38 clrh :) 13:39 cait hi clrh :) 13:40 cait oleonard: while you are testing internal server errors... could yo try to add a manual lost fee without barcode and see if you get one there (when trying to pay)? 13:40 cait i had this yesterday on master, couldn't verify yet 13:42 oleonard My devbox is running like cold molasses today 13:51 cait oleonard: you triggered a discussion about molasses here 13:51 cait it's that kind of monday 13:52 oleonard I'm in the pro-molasses camp if anyone is keeping track. 13:52 LibraryClaire molasses is treacle, or? 13:52 * tcohen googles 13:52 oleonard LibraryClaire: Yes 13:52 cait now it's a global molasses discussion :P 13:52 LibraryClaire I'm not a big fan 13:52 * LibraryClaire gives away treacle pudding 13:53 oleonard Never heard of that. But you must have it for gingerbread 13:56 LibraryClaire aaah 13:56 LibraryClaire tracle pudding is a steamed sticky pudding 13:56 LibraryClaire *teacle 13:56 LibraryClaire *treacle 13:56 LibraryClaire I approve of gingerbread 13:56 oleonard Americans aren't much for steamed sticky puddings in general 13:56 LibraryClaire The English are 13:57 Joubu hi #koha 13:57 cait I'd like to try and find out:) 13:57 LibraryClaire hi Joubu 13:57 cait Joubu: what's your opinion on molasses? 13:59 Joubu cait: no idea, I need to think about it! 13:59 cait :D 13:59 cait trying to update https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/APIs_and_protocols_supported_by_Koha 13:59 cait someone something to add? 14:01 oleonard I don't know if we have a quorum of Americans, but I want to know their position on the pumpkin pie vs. sweet potato pie divide. 14:01 LibraryClaire I have never had either - are they sweet or savoury? 14:01 oleonard Sweet 14:01 Joubu cait: the wiki meeting pages are updated when I execute a script 14:03 Joubu I have just run it 14:03 Joubu the next meeting date line was not formated as expected 14:03 * oleonard invites everyone to his house for a pie-testing session 14:03 kidclamp fruit pies are better than those mush-pies oleonard 14:03 cait oleonard: i'd really like help with taste testing :) also pecan pie 14:04 kidclamp banoffee pie is amazing though 14:04 cait Joubu: what's the exepcation? 14:04 kidclamp molasses has its uses 14:04 * LibraryClaire RSVPs to oleonard's pie party 14:04 cait expectation 14:04 wahanui somebody said expectation was that it's hidden - cait is not saying other use cases wouldn't make sense too 14:04 oleonard cait: A chocolate pecan pie is one of my regular contributions to Thanksgiving 14:04 LibraryClaire I love pecan anything 14:05 Joubu cait: Bernardo told me that the po files for the manual are up-to-date on pootle 14:05 cait cool 14:05 Joubu which means it is translatable :) 14:06 Joubu mao: 4610 submissions 14:06 cait tcohen: can you help me update the rest api bit on the wiki? 14:06 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I get this error after checking out 17.05.x" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/97 14:07 tcohen cait: what do you need, specifically? 14:07 cait Koha has an older REST API, but a newer more modern REST API is in development, several endpoints are already available.. See [[New REST API RFC]] for details. 14:07 cait sound good? 14:07 Joubu oleonard: yes, version of swagger differ between 17.11 and 17.05 14:07 Joubu you should edit the psgi files, comment the "api" lines and restart plack 14:07 cait tcohen: updating the api and protocols website because i want to link to it 14:07 Joubu (the rest api will not work) 14:07 tcohen I'd say Koha has and older web API. A REST api is in development 14:09 oleonard Joubu: The psgi files in /etc/koha? 14:09 cait i think it was referring to the biblios api that is REST 14:09 tcohen oleonard: just install libmojolicious-plugin-openapi-perl 14:09 cait but changing, sounds good 14:09 cait is the wiki page the one we shoudl refer to? 14:09 cait the rfc one? 14:10 oleonard tcohen: It is installed 14:10 tcohen cait: I don't think is REST 14:11 tcohen (using POST to perform updates, but not important) 14:11 cait nope, changed as you said first 14:11 tcohen oleonard: I haven't read your question which Joubu is answering, sorry, out of context 14:12 oleonard Okay. Joubu's suggestion worked. 14:12 * tcohen just didn't think disabling the REST api would be ok 14:16 tcohen Joubu++ 14:19 oleonard having to switch between branches with file name case changes on a Windows machine is what will finally drive me over the edge 14:21 cait heh 14:27 cait done - https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/APIs_and_protocols_supported_by_Koha 14:30 tcohen cait++ 14:31 cait hope it's all good 14:31 cait added some things like epayment options and oauth 14:32 Joubu @later tell rangi can you generate the manual translated for the other languages please? 14:32 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:32 Joubu @later tell rangi I'd like to add the links from the website 14:32 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:32 Joubu @later tell rangi only en, fr and es work apparently 14:32 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:37 gaetan_B hello 14:37 wahanui hi, gaetan_B 14:40 tcohen hi gaetan_B 14:48 Joubu ready? 14:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Koha 17.12 - Panuku (start of a new dev cycle) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af7d618d2b12655631e9febae74c222367495900> 14:48 cait :) 15:13 oleonard Okay, I was going to try to git bisect the problem with transferstoreceive.pl but someone is going to catch fire, my computer or me. 15:14 oleonard I give up. 15:24 Joubu "the problem"? 15:27 oleonard Joubu: In master I get "internal server error" when trying to access circ/transferstoreceive.pl 15:28 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #301: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/301/ 15:28 jenkins Jonathan Druart: Koha 17.12 - Panuku (start of a new dev cycle) 15:31 Joubu oleonard: it's the itemtype, it does not exist 15:31 Joubu (just a guessà 15:31 Joubu à 15:31 Joubu ) 15:35 reiveune bye 16:12 charles hi guys, i'm running the fines script on koha 16.11.12 and it shows me the following errors https://pastebin.com/a7Rn0MZw 16:12 kidclamp oleonard++ 16:13 charles koha has some scripts to review the structure of the database 16:56 oleonard Joubu: If you meant that there was a pending transfer item with an invalid itemtype, that doesn't seem to be the case. For what it's worth. 17:30 oleonard Bye all 17:40 * LeeJ waves 17:40 LeeJ hi #koha 17:52 edveal Hi LeeJ 17:54 LeeJ heya edveal 17:55 LeeJ edveal: thoughts on a taiga over the current framapad for a docs TODO? 17:58 edveal None at the moment, I have just had a few minutes to look at the current framepad and don’t know a lot about taiga (never used it) 18:01 Joubu oleonard: what is the error you got? 18:01 wahanui somebody said the error you got was about wrong password comparison, try to find what strings are compared 18:03 Joubu charles: did you report the bug? Does it happen on master too? 18:09 * LeeJ waves to caboose 18:09 caboose hi LeeJ! 18:09 LeeJ caboose: same question to you that I just asked edveal...thoughts on taiga over the current framapad for kohadocs TODO? (taiga is what was used for project management for the 17.11 release) 18:10 caboose I like Tiaga 18:10 caboose I'm more familiar with it :) 18:10 LeeJ then I'll make a Taiga for it and we can play around with it :) 18:10 LeeJ edveal don't worry..it's pretty easy to get the hang of :) 18:11 caboose sweet 18:11 caboose LeeJ++ 18:13 LeeJ caboose edveal https://tree.taiga.io/project/ldjamison-kohadocs-1805/kanban 18:13 caboose sweetness 18:13 caboose can we meet up some time this week..I'd like to get a good idea of our strategies :) 18:14 LeeJ same..I'm good pretty much any time outside of 10-11:30 AM EST 18:15 caboose I'm good all day tomorrow except for 1-2...and all day thursday except 2-3 18:15 LeeJ edveal: judging from the WHOIS on your handle..am I correct you're UTC - 8? 18:17 LeeJ apparently whois is very off...it says I'm in Quebec :P 18:17 caboose I'm UTC -5... 18:17 LeeJ as am I 18:22 LeeJ caboose edveal I sent a taiga invitation link and made both of you fellow admins on the project 18:22 caboose thanks LeeJ! 18:25 * LeeJ waves to cait 18:25 cait :) 18:26 LeeJ cait: just an FYI...I thought we could try a taiga kanban for 18.05 docs this round...would you like to be added as a member? :) 18:27 LeeJ even though you passed documentation off I thought I'd offer anyway :) 18:27 cait heh 18:27 cait what's the purpose? 18:27 wahanui the purpose is probably to add Invoice management. 18:27 cait coordinate work? 18:28 LeeJ cait: that and also to hopefully somewhat structure documentation progress 18:28 cait sounds good 18:28 LeeJ since for 17.11 we had "assigned" documentation parts I think it makes sense 18:28 cait maybe keep the framapad and move from there to kanban for those who are not members 18:29 LeeJ exactly 18:29 cait assigned? 18:29 LeeJ like we would mark our name next to documentation that needed to be done 18:29 cait i'd like to peek, if i am welcome :) 18:29 LeeJ of course you are! It's rather bare but still :) 18:30 LeeJ cait: it's bare because I just created it 5 minutes ago 18:31 cait hm let me chck which email i use for taiga 18:31 cait ah the browser remembered :) 18:45 edveal LeeJ got your Taiga invite, So it is like Slack? 18:45 LeeJ edveal: very similar 18:46 LeeJ edveal: are you familiar with the concept of kanban? 18:47 edveal Oh yes... 18:48 LeeJ well taiga functions as a kanban board 18:48 tcohen Slack is for messaging 18:48 LeeJ I'm working on a basic informational wiki right now as well as adding the "big tasks" under Epics 18:49 edveal Ah so it is more like Toggle 18:49 LeeJ big tasks basically meaning things like doing another scour to make sure we have all previously-merged features, etc. included 18:49 LeeJ edveal along those lines 18:53 Joubu LeeJ: why do not you use the existing kanban? 18:56 edveal Time to go to the reference desk. bbiab 19:09 LeeJ Joubu: didn't think about it honestly 19:10 Joubu LeeJ: we already have lot of guys on the existing board, but not much activity 19:11 Joubu I'd would make sense to me to use it for everything koha related (when a kanban board is needed) 19:11 Joubu the filters will permit to only display the koha manual cards 19:11 Joubu (it's just a suggestion ;)) 19:13 LeeJ I'll talk with the other two when they're on again :P 19:17 Joubu @later tell oleonard what is the error you got? 19:17 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 19:17 oleonard I'm here Joubu 19:18 Joubu oleonard: what is the error you got with the transferstoreceive.pl script? 19:20 oleonard Joubu I'm on a different machine now and can't reproduce it. LibraryClaire said she got the error too so I guess she and I should compare notes. 19:23 Joubu oleonard: I recreated a 500 (method description called on undefined value) when the item was using an itemtype that was not defined in the system 19:23 Joubu oleonard: let me know the exact error when you can 19:23 oleonard I will Joubu, thanks 19:23 tcohen bye #koha 19:34 Joubu LeeJ: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sphinxcontrib-programscreenshot 19:35 LeeJ Joubu: :O 19:35 * LeeJ instantly bookmarks 19:50 Joubu @later tell rangi found them on translate.k-c.org! Do not now if it is expected 19:50 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 19:50 cait :) 19:54 Joubu https://koha-community.org/documentation/ 19:54 Joubu that rocks, right? 19:55 wizzyrea it's pretty good :) 19:56 Joubu imagine with epub and pdf! ;) 19:56 LeeJ Joubu: it's...so beautiful :') 20:00 LeeJ cait: am I correct that only the 'NEW' status is used for Documentation bugs currently when searching for open documentation bug reports? 20:03 cait LeeJ: i think noone adopted one yet 20:03 cait NEW means filed but noone took it 20:03 LeeJ great :) 20:05 cait Joubu: ebub and pdf would be nice 20:05 cait but tedious to do manually, need an automated workflow then :) 20:05 Joubu cait: yes, automatically of course 20:10 Joubu translated screenshots for the manual: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Translating_the_Koha_Manual#Add_translated_screenshots 20:11 cait :) 20:11 cait so we put all images in the same directory? 20:11 cait but i guess sorting them you could easily see which ones are missing 20:15 Joubu it's the default, we can change that if needed 20:15 Joubu as you said it's not that bad, we will see easily what is missing (and catch typo) 20:22 cait Joubu: worth mentioning in your next newsletter :) 20:23 Joubu yep 20:39 Joubu @later tell rangi openhub has the "new dev" info indeed, but the last update for the Koha project was 9 month ago... 20:39 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 20:41 cait :) 20:42 cait lots of things going on tonight 20:42 LeeJ indeed! 21:13 LeeJ Joubu: obviously it's nowhere near top priority but I know you've done some work with the Help files..what do you think about this docs bug I just noticed? Bug 11115 21:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11115 new feature, P5 - low, ---, indradg, NEW , Pull help files from the manual 21:18 cait LeeJ: we had discussed it at an irc meeting 21:18 cait it was on my todo list to ask on the mailing list if linking to the manual instead of included help files would be ok 21:19 cait with an option to link to a local copy if a library wants it (url preference or similar) 21:19 cait after translations were sorted out 21:19 LeeJ cait: okay...I'll have to look back in the meeting minutes when I get chance then :) 21:20 cait it was some time ago - took a while with the translations :( 21:21 LeeJ cait: no worries! I'll find it eventually :) 21:21 LeeJ well I think that's enough for one day..have a good night #koha 21:22 cait have a nice evening LeeJ 21:57 Joubu @later tell LeeJ bug 11115 is a priority for me 21:57 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 22:29 Joubu @later tell rangi I contacted openhub guys and they updated the project's info! 22:29 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.