Time Nick Message 23:34 cait1 best with steps on how to recreate the issue 23:34 cait1 you might want to file a bug repor tfor that 23:34 cait1 hm then it showed the wrong error 23:33 gveranis when returned 23:33 gveranis cate For the problem I mentioned before meeting , the problem was that those items was in "lost" status . And that cause a problem in ModItem I think 23:23 Brooke my pleasure 23:22 greenjimll Night night all - time for sleep! 23:22 mveron ...and good night / daytime #koha :-) 23:22 georgehwilliams See you all later 23:22 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg Peace! 23:22 MKuhn Good night everybody 23:22 greenjimll Thanks for hosting Brooke! 23:21 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg Brooke++ 23:21 mveron Brooke++ 23:21 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg keeps getting better 23:21 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting.2017-09-06-22.18.log.html 23:21 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting.2017-09-06-22.18.txt 23:21 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/general_irc_meeting.2017-09-06-22.18.html 23:21 huginn Meeting ended Wed Sep 6 23:21:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 23:21 Brooke #endmeeting 23:21 Brooke #agreed Next General Meeting 14.00 UTC 4 October 23:21 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg +1 23:21 Brooke 14 then 23:20 cait1 14 23:20 cait1 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings 23:19 cait1 2 time slots 23:19 cait1 that's the current schedule 23:19 cait1 for the meeting before this one 23:19 georgehwilliams +1 23:19 cait1 look at the wiki 23:19 mveron +1 23:19 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg sounds good 23:19 Brooke I'm gonna put out 16.00 UTC then and see if anyone yelps 23:18 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg well, I'm a west coasty here in the states and I'll accomodate anytime 23:17 wahanui aye aye cap'n 23:17 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg roger that 23:17 MKuhn One more good reason to stay away from Twitter Facebook Google+ and the like 23:17 Brooke just not sure what the current groove is 23:17 Brooke Tgoat it's meant to rotate, or at least it used to 23:17 huginn greenjimll: downloading the Perl source 23:17 greenjimll @kohails has over 1300 followers, quite a lot of who look like librarians, open source fans and techies. Its not tweeted since Dec 16. Could be used to promote these/dev meetings, etc? 23:17 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg let's be more accommodating for our European and NZ folks 23:17 MKuhn Is it true the last tweet is from Deecember 2016? 23:16 Brooke okay so 4 October what UTC is meant for next go? 23:15 mveron https://twitter.com/kohails 23:13 greenjimll Who maintains the @kohails Twitter handle? 23:13 Brooke thank you :) 23:13 georgehwilliams I will 23:13 Brooke we can connect the two and then possibly find more 23:13 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg so we do need to have a presence 23:13 Brooke george: please send that out over the listserv 23:12 georgehwilliams There are also two Koha groups on facebook 23:12 cait1 ok 23:12 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg sounds good 23:12 mveron 4 Oct OK for me 23:12 Brooke scheduling conflicts with Wednesday 4 October anyone? 23:10 greenjimll I should point out that Koha is already on Twitter! ;-) 23:10 Brooke so 4 Oct? 23:10 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg there is a science to fundraising and membership (you can actually get a degree in it) and ours is to find a way to get our fan base to help us with contact info so we can see where everyone is while we share more info.. remind them how lucky we all are and hope they see to helping out 23:09 Brooke #topic time and date of next General meeting 23:09 Brooke so I think we'll table this and if someone comes out with a dying passion to stick us on Facebook someplace, we can take up the ins and outs of setting that up over the mailing list 23:09 greenjimll I don't do Facebook, but I am aware that it is where a lot of people, including librarians, spend an awful lot of time and share a large amount of information. 23:08 * mveron Is not on Facebook - and does not plan to be there 23:08 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg I have a Facebook account but it's so wearing 23:08 Brooke yep 23:08 greenjimll Different media gets people in different ways. I don't have a Facebook account either, but I do mailing lists and Twitter. Horses for courses. 23:08 * Brooke is not a resident of Googledom or Facebookistan either 23:08 cait1 and I know a lot of people who don't - this might vary between countries 23:07 Brooke yeah, I tell people you need to go to where someone lives 23:07 cait1 I don't even have a Facebook account :) 23:07 greenjimll I was at a meeting yesterday where several people said they didn't like the mailing list we use (not Koha's!) but preferred Facebook. Some people were the other way round. 23:07 cait1 at least for a community driven thing 23:07 cait1 and if they get special privileges... that kinda feels wrong 23:07 * mveron found a snapshot with the former Donate button: https://web.archive.org/web/20161202152128/https://koha-community.org/ 23:06 cait1 I don't quite see what another would help 23:06 cait1 like the general mailing list 23:06 cait1 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg: we have multiple channels to reach out to people 23:05 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg an obligation to do so 23:05 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg it's never an ask it's more a non-ask. they have a sense of wanting top contribute in whatever manner they feel 23:04 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg so true greenjimll 23:04 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg and all we want is an opportunity to share more with them 23:04 greenjimll You can engage people/organisations using social media before/without the funding ask. 23:04 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg maybe nothing changes but they have awesome access to fantastic info 23:04 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg how that works can be decided 23:04 Brooke so in specific Facebook was mentioned 23:03 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg we can offer them an opportunity to be a part of it through a free membership 23:03 Brooke and I think a lot of these topics swirl into one another 23:03 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg those who use and know Koha love Koha 23:03 Brooke heightened community development is definitely something the RM has been doing 23:03 MKuhn this is just estimated 23:03 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg I can't imagine how many people are using from personal to universities 23:02 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg well, li braries 23:02 greenjimll 15000 users as in librarians? Or libraries? Certainly not end users - we'll have that in just our students. 23:01 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg Koha has a lot of users.. last I heard possibly over 15,000 23:01 rangi there is zero tax incentive to donate to a nz charity 23:01 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg rangi think so? 23:01 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg for sure 23:00 Brooke Institutional giving is even trickier 23:00 rangi by all means try again, but if you want us libraries to contribute, you're way better off with a us not for profit 23:00 greenjimll People or institutions? Or both? 23:00 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg having a membership will allow us to do no-ask solicitations. a means top tell people how lucky we are to have Koha and a way to let them express without asking to donate 22:59 cait and we already have a general mailing list 22:59 rangi to a not for profit, registered charitable trust 22:59 cait you need to state what the contact will be used for beforehand 22:59 rangi it already was tied 22:59 cait be careful 22:59 Brooke I would also imagine without proper ties to a non profit someplace, people might be less than thrilled to give 22:59 Brooke was it advertised off of IRC? 22:58 greenjimll Does hosting of git/bugzilla need to be paid for? 22:58 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg zactly 22:58 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg factly Brooke 22:58 rangi it wasn't what you would call a success by any stretch of the imagination 22:58 Brooke it also could theoretically fund development or bug fixing 22:58 rangi (re the fundraising button, there was a sum total of less than 300 nzd) 22:57 Brooke it'd make conference planning a heck of a lot more stable 22:57 gveranis *fund 22:57 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg well, membership and fundraising are two different topics but one does lend itself to other 22:57 Brooke it would be nice for a number of different reasons 22:57 gveranis if we tell people why we need found rising ? I mean to have a plan for it ? 22:56 Brooke cait that seems like a logical opt in option 22:56 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg establish ^^ 22:56 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg cait we need to stab;ish the breadth of our community and be able to use that info as we reach out 22:56 cait maybe we could do something with hea to give people opportunity to register? 22:55 cait seems like another list like hea and the wiki then :) 22:55 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg cait that is to be established but my thoughts are free. we just want their contact info 22:55 wahanui benefits are scalability AIUI 22:55 rangi benefits 22:55 rangi cos that way you get the tax benefirst 22:54 cait KohaLa is a User group 22:54 Brooke I also believe that Argentina has a similar set up 22:54 rangi if the money is going to be coming from us, libraries, then a us one makes sense 22:54 cait about the membership - would that require a payment? Or would it be free? 22:54 Brooke so that might be another option for the community 22:54 Brooke I know KohaLa in France already has their version of non profit status 22:54 rangi thats why we havent 22:54 rangi no 22:54 Brooke are other kiwis interested in doing it? 22:54 cait needs people to run it, I think? 22:54 rangi will hold the assets, but we arent interested in jumping through the hoops that are required to collect money 22:53 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg why so rangi? 22:53 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg there he is 22:53 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg to have a registered membership is to have a db of people that are fans, users and supporters 22:53 rangi naw, no not profit in nz 22:53 cait what does it mean? 22:52 Brooke strong thoughts on registered membership? 22:52 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg agreed 22:52 Brooke and add once again that I think it's a great idea for there to be a non profit someplace and I have no objection to that someplace being eNZed 22:52 huginn 04Bug 14606: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, In Discussion , Donate to the Koha International Fund 22:52 * mveron found a bug about the button: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14606 22:51 Brooke I will continue to go through the motions, though 22:51 Brooke going to have to bin a lot of this talk or at least let it stew til next meeting 22:51 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg I was hoping this is where rangi would pop up 22:50 Brooke any kiwis about that want to enlighten us on that? 22:50 Brooke which rests nicely on the next item, which is a New Zealand non profit 22:50 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg maybe we have the cart first here.. do we need a treasurer and so forth. normal fundraising committee type group 22:49 georgehwilliams provided it goes someplace safe, I think it's a good idea 22:49 Brooke there are countries that do not do PayPal, but we can suss something out for them if they're in a giving mood 22:48 Brooke no button no dosh 22:48 Brooke I concur TGoat 22:48 Brooke does anyone think it's a bad idea provided it goes someplace safe? 22:48 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg of course this will be integral to fundraising 22:48 greenjimll Paypal payments? We did one for a conference in AU that we organised from UK so that payments could be in correct currency. 22:47 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg :D 22:47 Brooke a long time ago when animals could talk, KohaCon 2010 had a paypal button 22:47 cait yes, wizzyrea might know where the funds went 22:47 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg Donation button 22:47 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg wasn't there a fundraising button on the site at one time? 22:46 cait we had one in the past, I am not opposed, but shouldn't we clarify who will hold the money first? 22:46 Brooke so thoughts about a fundraising button 22:46 wahanui aye aye cap'n 22:46 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg roger that 22:46 Brooke I'd belay 22:45 Brooke alright well hopefully there will be some updates here next meeting 22:45 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg Brooke should I continue down the list? 22:44 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg I've emailed Joann but received no response 22:44 Brooke that's helpful, thanks 22:43 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg I can tell you that in the discussion with Chris the assets will stay in NZ 22:43 greenjimll In NZ its currently 10:43AM tomorrow. :-) 22:43 Brooke not quite, they are 10.43 AM cause DST does weird stuff 22:43 Brooke arvo 22:42 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg what time is it in NZ? 22:42 Brooke going to constructing a fundraising committee then 22:41 * Brooke pokes rangi 22:41 Brooke is Chris here to address the first point? 22:40 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg sorry for the list 22:40 Brooke #topic Fundraising 22:40 Brooke so if you're not on the listserv, get on the listserv if you want to vote ;) 22:40 Brooke but don't worry, it goes out to the listserv 22:39 Brooke we'll figure out the voting piece later if it ends up being necessary 22:39 Brooke #agreed Bids for KohaCon close 27 Sep 22:39 cait it's not limited to irc meetings because of timezones 22:39 Brooke hearing no objections 22:39 cait but if there are more bids, we will probably set up an online form for voting again 22:38 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons 22:38 Brooke so that would be bids close 27 Sep 22:38 cait greenjimll: it's procedure - no deadline has been announced, so we do that and close the bidding process after 22:38 Brooke I'm assuming folks won't have a problem with that, right? 22:38 Brooke that is a friendly amendment Cait 22:37 cait usually first Wendesday of each month 22:37 Brooke it is possible that some folks are unaware greenjim11 22:37 cait why not make it 3 then? we have one general a month 22:37 greenjimll Do you vote if there's only one bid? Or is it still needed to get numbers estimates? 22:37 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg +1 22:37 georgehwilliams +1 22:37 mveron +1 22:37 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg that sounds reasonable 22:36 Brooke would folks be okay with setting a deadline for bids at 2 weeks from now so that a vote could be done at the next general? 22:36 cait i think calls for bidding have been made 22:36 cait how long is reasonable? 22:36 Brooke yeah let's do that 22:36 cait there is none mentioned on the wiki yet 22:36 cait i think we could decide on a deadline for bidding soon 22:35 cait checking 22:35 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg :) 22:35 Brooke how long do folks have to place their name in the hat before it's voted? 22:34 cait TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg: technically.. but with one bid at the moment chances seem good :) 22:34 Brooke anyone here associated with that bid? 22:34 cait TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg: that's not decided yet 22:33 Brooke looks like one bid from Portland at the moment 22:33 mveron https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon18_Proposals 22:32 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg brooke it's in the US next year, correct? 22:31 Brooke so does anyone have input about a new location for KohaCon? 22:31 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg do tell 22:31 * Brooke is reminded of dance nights at RPI. 22:30 Brooke so I guess it's old business first here. Anyone have anything to say about the Philippines? 22:30 Brooke #topic KohaCon 22:29 wahanui crickets are not due to the height of their legs compared to their wingspan or something like that. 22:29 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg crickets.. 22:28 Brooke surely someone is dying to update us on the next release 22:28 Brooke #topic updates on 17.11 22:28 Brooke moving along 22:28 Brooke yeah it's nuts to be awake in Europe atm 22:27 cait fridolin is probably asleep :) 22:27 cait #info also back on track - some patches pushed today 22:26 Brooke updates on 17.05 anyone? 22:26 Brooke #topic update on 17.05 22:26 cait nothing much 22:26 Brooke anything else to say? 22:25 Brooke cait++ for sentience at this hour 22:25 cait yes, me, RMaint :) 22:24 cait #info we are back on schedule for now after the security release, will start pushing again soon 22:24 Brooke anyone in the know on the status of 16.11? 22:24 Brooke #topic update on 16.11 22:24 * mveron waves to cait 22:23 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg hi ya cait :) 22:23 cait [off] sorry forgot about the time 22:23 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg besides what's already known, not I 22:23 Brooke hooray 22:23 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 22:23 Brooke *crickets* 22:22 Brooke anyone here in the know on 16.05? 22:22 Brooke #topic Update on 16.05 22:22 Brooke fine, I will say that the documentation meeting went well and if folks are curious, there are new tools to look at in that department 22:22 greenjimll Nothing from me. 22:21 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg I have nothing to announce 22:21 Brooke anyone have anything to announce? 22:21 Brooke #topic announcements 22:20 gveranis #info George Veranis , Greece 22:20 TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg #info TGoat-KohaGeneralMtg 22:19 mveron #info Marc Véron, Switzerland 22:19 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City. - I will need to leave the meeting early 22:19 georgehwilliams #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System 22:19 MKuhn #info Michael Kuhn, Switzerland 22:19 wahanui #info TGoat is going to work on fundraising 22:19 TGoat #info TGoat 22:19 Brooke Introductions please if you want with a #info 22:19 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, developer, Loughborough University 22:18 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting' 22:18 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 22:18 huginn Meeting started Wed Sep 6 22:18:45 2017 UTC. 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Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 22:18 Brooke #startmeeting General IRC meeting 22:18 TGoat 00:30 for a meeting.. can do better? 22:18 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 22:18 huginn Brooke: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' 22:18 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 22:18 Brooke #startmeeting 22:18 huginn Brooke: I suck 22:18 Brooke @startmeeting 22:18 greenjimll Do it! 22:18 Brooke gonna do it if no one stops me :P 22:18 greenjimll Well the agenda is online so why not start now? 22:17 TGoat :) 22:17 Brooke I can drive the bus if need be 22:17 TGoat we had a good meeting last month 22:17 MKuhn Lately people complained no one is attending the meetings... 22:17 Brooke it's late in Europe 22:17 Brooke cait's probably asleep 22:16 TGoat doesn't cait normally lead the meetings? 22:16 MKuhn There seems to be no meeting... and it's already 00:30 AM over here 22:16 greenjimll Is this meeting actually happening? Its 15 minutes past the advertised start time now. 22:11 thd barton: However, can you imagine how the behaviour which you are reporting would be useful as a feature? 22:09 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, developer at Loughborough University 22:06 TGoat thanks Mauricio_BR and MKuhn 22:06 barton the circcontrol branch is 'the branch the item was checked out from' 22:05 barton thanks thd. 22:04 thd barton: There should be a meeting now which has not quite yet started. 22:04 georgehwilliams barton - it depends on one of the circulation preferences 22:04 MKuhn postpned to 13 September 22:04 Mauricio_BR > Next general meeting will be tonight/today at 22UTC: > https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_6_September_2017 > > And the next development meeting will be next week: > > https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_13_September_2017 22:04 TGoat cool thkx MKuhn .. 22:04 MKuhn Yes, the dev meeting was suspended 22:03 TGoat yes the general meeting is suppose to be starting right now but there was discussion earlier that the two had conflicting times 22:03 barton this a bug, or is this the way that Koha is designed? 22:03 barton I have a question about circulation limits... let's say that I have a patron of with category CHILD... the default circ rules for type DVD allow the patron to borrow 5 DVDs. I can check out 5 DVDs at any branch, and when I try to check out a 6th, I get a warning. ... if I clone the rules to, say, 'East Branch' and set the staff client location to East Branch, I can now check out 5 more DVD to this patron. Is 22:03 TGoat what was decided on the meetings? 22:03 MKuhn what conflict, isn't there a Genarl Meeting starting right now? 22:02 thd hehe 22:02 TGoat the general meeting and the koha-dev meeting 22:02 greenjimll This should be the general meeting right? Dev meeting put off? 22:02 TGoat thd I think there is a conflict of meetings 22:02 gveranis cate Can I fix that thing manually direct in database ? 22:02 TGoat howdy everyone :) 22:01 greenjimll thd: I hope so! 22:00 thd Is there a meeting soon or did I come to the wrong time zone? 22:00 greenjimll Evening all. 22:00 mveron hi barton :-) 22:00 barton hi mveron! 21:58 mveron Good midnight / daytime #koha 21:53 gveranis If I can see something there ? 21:52 gveranis do you know the lines in code ? where Koha check for this ? 21:52 cait the error... it should not display if your db is ok 21:52 cait that's the only case it should be there 21:51 cait too quick for me 21:51 LeeJ cait: I'll be on my way home when the meeting starts..I'll check back in tomorrow :) have a good night! 21:50 LeeJ then that's most likely where the error message spawned from I would assume 21:48 gveranis the issue_id that I have in issues , not exist in old_issues 21:46 gveranis it was down on the page :-D 21:46 gveranis no sorry I have it ;) 21:45 gveranis wait 21:45 gveranis ok this is something strange in my database I notice that I don't have this table at all 21:45 cait the reason the message shows is that the issue_id is there in issues (checked out) and old_issues (returned) 21:44 cait gveranis: i'd take note of the issue id of those 2 specifically and check it in old_issues 21:44 gveranis *borrowers 21:44 gveranis no, different users , differrent branches.. patrons.. 21:44 LeeJ I wasn't really involved with fixing the issues table problem...I believe cait was 21:43 LeeJ have you been able to find similarities between the two? 21:43 gveranis which function Koha use to check and show this error ? 21:43 gveranis but those 2 no 21:43 gveranis some of items check-in normally 21:42 gveranis an I upgrade it yesterday 21:42 gveranis I have 2 items at the moment 21:42 gveranis no 21:42 LeeJ is that the only item you have found a problem with so far? 21:41 gveranis for that item I have only one issue 21:41 LeeJ gveranis: yes 21:40 gveranis in database ? 21:40 cait did you check the issue id of the one that would give you the error? 21:40 cait gveranis: that's really odd 21:40 gveranis :-( 21:39 LeeJ it's a curse :( 21:39 LeeJ I know 21:39 cait you want tricky things 21:39 cait LeeJ: i think i'd split it 21:37 LeeJ hmm.. 21:37 gveranis If I look a file or something ? 21:37 gveranis Can I run something to identify why this message shows ? 21:36 gveranis but the message is there ( ! ) 21:36 gveranis so I don't ( ! ) have something corrupted ( ! ) 21:36 gveranis but queries returned 0 21:35 gveranis to check if I have something corrupted 21:35 gveranis I run also the queries that mention here "https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DBMS_auto_increment_fix" -> Are your data corrupted? 21:34 gveranis yes 21:34 gveranis I had 16.05 21:34 gveranis at all ! 21:34 LeeJ what version did you upgrade from? and did check ins work on the previous version? 21:34 gveranis nothing 21:34 cait hm and nothing on the systen information tab? on the about page? 21:34 gveranis but when I go to that page I get No warnings 21:34 LeeJ O.o 21:33 gveranis The item has not been checked in due to a configuration issue in your system. You must ask an administrator to take a look at the about page and search for the "data problems" section 21:33 LeeJ on check in does it give you an error message? If so, what's the message it gives? 21:32 gveranis any idea ? 21:32 gveranis I see "No warnings" ! 21:32 gveranis and when I go to see about page for the data problem 21:32 gveranis I just upgrade one instance to 17.05 , everything is almost ok. But when I check in something I have the known error 21:31 LeeJ gveranis: sure what's on your mind? 21:31 gveranis I would like to ask something 21:31 wahanui privet, gveranis 21:31 gveranis hi 21:30 LeeJ pretty much :P 21:30 cait we got... all have to be checked out... one has to be checked out... and none has to be checked out :) 21:30 LeeJ exactly why I have this predicament lol 21:30 cait in the configuration options 21:30 cait that is not covered yet 21:30 cait or when all items are out 21:30 cait hm ok, so a hold when it#s available 21:29 LeeJ a 'do you really want that' is what I was going for...if every item is already checked out we allow them to place a hold on it for when it gets returned 21:27 cait do you just want a 'do you really want that' or would yo uprefer to disallow holds when it's out? 21:27 cait i tihnk the new granular shelf holds help already a bit 21:26 cait hm kind of 21:25 LeeJ bohdan_ looks like the beating with your fishbot worked 21:23 LeeJ hmm..so would it be fair to assume that it would give Koha an advantage around there if I were to get fully-integrated closed stacks functionality in place? 21:22 cait some want the ILS to print out the requests on specific printers depending on callnumber range 21:22 cait around here 21:22 cait workflows for closed stacks are a usually pressure point in RFPs I'd say 21:22 LeeJ but they were originally HK Systems before the merger 21:21 LeeJ our retrieval system is from Dematic Corp 21:21 cait lol 21:21 LeeJ our company was originally a German company :P 21:21 cait :) 21:21 LeeJ sigh...I should have realized 21:21 cait so you are not that unusual 21:20 cait LeeJ: actually closed stacks is a very common thing in university libraries here 21:20 LeeJ cait: this was our little promotional video to announce the transition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMruUES8WIY 21:19 LeeJ we have a shelving location called "Bins" that indicates an item stored in the retrieval system so when a user is looking for an item their thought process is basically "alright...I want X book and the catalog says it's located in Bins and it has an available status" 21:17 LeeJ instead we have a book retrieval system that houses our collection below ground.. 21:17 LeeJ we don't have stacks so patrons can't go pick what they want and bring the book to the desk to be checked out like a traditional library would operate 21:16 LeeJ it's because of the way our library is designed 21:15 cait but why allow onshelfholds in the first place then? 21:15 cait unusual i mean 21:15 LeeJ haha 21:15 cait not really 21:15 LeeJ unusual I know :P 21:15 cait hm 21:14 * bohdan_ slaps bohdan around a bit with a large fishbot 21:13 LeeJ only if no items are available 21:13 cait and you don't want them to place hold if there is still an available item? 21:12 LeeJ at our main branch, patrons select what they want and the main branch allows on shelf holds and forces item-level holds on the OPAC 21:11 LeeJ well the short version of it is.. 21:11 LeeJ haha 21:10 cait actually just trying to understand the spec :) 21:10 LeeJ that didn't dawn on me...I should do it from opac-reserve instead of opac-search 21:10 LeeJ I see where you're going with that... 21:10 LeeJ ahhhhhh 21:10 cait is this for item level holds? 21:09 cait what if there are multiple items? 21:09 LeeJ correct 21:09 cait so the confirm should show when the item is checked out? 21:09 LeeJ we do allow multiple holds..so far the only problem we've run into is from opac-search 21:08 LeeJ I know...I put myself in odd places :P 21:08 cait do you allow multiple holds? 21:08 cait just the normal opac reserve page? 21:08 cait hmm 21:07 LeeJ though I know it's inherently wrong since the parents() call ends up applying to EVERY result 21:07 LeeJ cait: that's what I have so far 21:06 pastebot "LeeJ" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sample jQuery prompt" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/641 21:04 LeeJ have a confirm when a patron clicks Place hold on the OPAC when the item is checked out 21:03 cait what exactly do you want ot do? 21:02 LeeJ cait: possibly...I'm trying to get jQuery to traverse HTML tags how I want but it's not working :P 20:58 cait LeeJ: do you still need someone to help with jQuery? 20:29 * LeeJ shakes fist at jQuery 20:28 * magnuse waves to LeeJ 20:28 * LeeJ waves to magnuse 20:27 * magnuse waves 20:27 * LeeJ waves 20:24 * cait waves 18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17834 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Pushed to Master , Change library news text for single-branch libraries 18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19215 minor, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Pushed to Master , Typo in URL when editing a patron club template 18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18927 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , koha-rebuild-zebra is failing with "error retrieving biblio" 18:44 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 17834: Make translation easier 18:44 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 17834: Change library news text for single-branch libraries 18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11580 normal, P5 - low, ---, baptiste.wojtkowski, Pushed to Master , If returnBeforeExpiry is on, holidays are not taken into account to calculate the due date 18:44 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19215: Fixing typo in URL for patron clubs 18:44 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18927: Use fully qualified subroutine names in C4::Items 18:44 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11580: Add one more test and clear the cache 18:44 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11580 - Fix expiry calculation and rewrite tests 18:44 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #251: FIXED in 2 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/251/ 18:44 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 18:44 jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:36 LeeJ anyone good with jquery around? 16:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17834: Make translation easier <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c6538f033f43cde33d186561a93a197467bd9a1> / Bug 17834: Change library news text for single-branch libraries <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1417f83e8b8a57e70e9120244a36204cf4acb3c2> / Bug 19215: Fixing typo in URL for patron clubs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff; 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18919 minor, P5 - low, ---, baptiste.wojtkowski, Pushed to Stable , "Transaction Branch" select field broken in Cash register statistics 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18919: Repair "Transaction branch" in cash_register_stats.pl 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 19049: [QA Follow-up] Mock config, default format 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 19049 [QA Followup] - Make plugin name first item in description 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19049 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Fix regression on stage-marc-import with to_marc plugin 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19053 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Auto renewal flag is not kept if a confirmation is needed 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 19049: [Follow-up] Make sure that GetPlugins finds the plugin 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 19049: Testing RecordsFromMarcPlugin with a to_marc plugin 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 19049: Fix regression on stage-marc-import with to_marc plugin 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 19053: Keep auto_renew flag if a confirmation is needed 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18624: Do not return 1 in tests 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18624: (followup) opac-authorities-home.tt uses 'any' 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18624 critical, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Stable , Software error when searching authorities in Elasticsearch - incorrect parameter "any" should be "all" 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18624: Run time errors when searching authorities with Elastic 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18624: Regression test for 'any' vs 'all' 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16976 critical, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Stable , Authorities searches with double quotes gives ZOOM error 20003 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18624: Minor refactoring to ease testing 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 16976 - Unit tests 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 16976 - Authorities searches with double quotes gives ZOOM error 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18331: POST_CHOMP everywhere! 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18331 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , CSV exports need to be fixed once and for all 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18331: Followup - fix path to orders_by_budget csv header 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18331: Followup - Fix CSV export (once and for all!) 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18331: Force tt to insert newline to empty_line.inc 16:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18331: Fix CSV export (once and for all!) 16:36 jenkins Project Koha_17.05.x_D8 build #13: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05.x_D8/13/ 15:52 cait Joubu++ 15:46 Joubu alex_a: I am on it 15:42 alex_a Joubu: please take a look at bz 11580 15:34 LeeJ FYI if I'm able to attend the meeting tonight I might be attending via IRC on my phone..but I'll be there nonetheless :P 15:33 LeeJ :O 15:32 oleonard I craft bespoke roofs using artisanal materials. 15:30 LeeJ do you sell roofs and roof accessories? 15:29 oleonard I set fire to my computer and became a roofer. I'm all about roofs now. 15:28 LeeJ cool 15:28 oleonard No 15:28 LeeJ oleonard still having port problems? 15:22 reiveune bye 15:16 wahanui oleonard: what? 15:16 oleonard wahanui: Grannie waiting for your postcard. 15:15 wahanui oleonard: what? 15:15 oleonard wahanui: Don't forget to send the mail 15:15 wahanui cait: I forgot mail sent 15:15 cait forget mail sent 15:15 wahanui mail sent is not working in koha 3.10 15:15 Joubu mail sent 15:14 cait i will be travelling but it's ok 15:13 oleonard Joubu: 13th works for me. 15:11 tcohen oleonard: that issues are not problematic, it will set another port for ssh 15:10 Joubu September 13th, 22UTC then? 15:08 cait 2 meetings at once would make my brain explode :) 15:08 cait it's in the wrong spot (first wednesday of a month is always general meeting) 15:07 cait i think easier to push the dev meeting maybe 15:07 Joubu ha 15:07 Joubu still not sure 15:07 wahanui i think Joubu is not sure how to fix that correctly 15:07 cait Joubu? 15:06 cait dev and general one, same time 15:06 cait has anyone seen that there is a collision about meetings tonight? 15:06 TGoat hi cait! 15:06 cait hi TGoat 15:04 TGoat good morning :) 15:01 * oleonard is trying again 15:00 cait i have 2 kohadevbox instances so it was probably my fault 15:00 cait when i halted everything and restarted it was usually ok 15:00 cait oleonard: i had that happen to me too 14:52 oleonard "The forwarded port to 2222 is already in use on the host machine" 14:52 oleonard Anyone know why I would suddenly be having problems with port collisions with kohadevbox and another running vagrant box? I wasn't having this problem until this week 14:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18996 [QA Followup] - Fix some minor whitespace issues 14:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18996 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , SIP sets ok flag to true for refused checkin for data corruption 14:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18996: [QA Follow-up] Remove global variables from Message.t 14:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18996: Add checkin subtest in SIP/Message.t 14:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18996: Resolve an uninitialized warning from ILS/Item.pm 14:36 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Bug 18996: Handle data corruption from old_issues at SIP checkin 14:36 jenkins Project Koha_17.05.x_D8 build #12: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05.x_D8/12/ 14:15 fridolin Joubu: aoki 14:04 marcelr Serials.t passes again with me; it did not expect changed Koha to MARC mappings for items.. 14:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18927 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , koha-rebuild-zebra is failing with "error retrieving biblio" 14:03 Joubu fridolin: you should add bug 18927 on your list of bugs to backport (not pushed yet) 13:54 tcohen Joubu: I don't remember 13:53 Joubu it makes sense, but people not knowing that will not be able to launch the tests using koha-testing-docker 13:52 Joubu tcohen: do you remember why the rm cover_db is in the jenkins config? 13:52 marcelr where is my bug swatter? 13:50 marcelr really hopeful 13:50 wahanui bug was last seen on #koha 9 seconds ago, saying: I am everywhere! [Wed Sep 6 13:50:19 2017] 13:50 Joubu seen bug 13:50 marcelr yeah i saw it 13:50 bug I am everywhere! 13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Standardize the EXPORT 13:49 wahanui I haven't seen 'bug', Joubu 13:49 Joubu marcelr: seen bug 17600 comment 75, right? :) 13:48 marcelr Joubu: your Items.pm fix is appreciated on the ml 13:46 tcohen Joubu++ 13:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19256 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Koha::Acquisition::Order should use Koha::Object 13:45 Joubu tcohen: bug 19256 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19262 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , pod_spell.t does not work 13:43 Joubu tcohen: bug 19262 13:40 LeeJ take care for now all..bbl 13:37 Joubu but it will be hard to debug for you :) 13:37 Joubu yes sure 13:37 marcelr would be nice if those tests ignored my bad data.. 13:36 marcelr Joubu: could be data yes, test machine 13:36 wahanui hmmm... kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 13:36 marcelr kohadevbox 13:35 marcelr hmm not on a devbox 13:35 tcohen (save the DB first!) 13:35 tcohen marcelr: does it fail if you do a reset_all? 13:35 Joubu certainly a data "problem" 13:34 marcelr # Failed test 'Values should not be erased on editing' # at Serials.t line 174. 13:33 marcelr no Serials for breakfast ;) 13:33 tcohen marcelr: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/ 13:32 marcelr yeah just interference 13:32 tcohen marcelr: Joubu refers to the tests being ran in docker containers instead of the old plain VM 13:32 marcelr will still have a look on it 13:32 marcelr i had it failing on my vm 13:31 wahanui somebody said serials.t was failing 13:31 Joubu serials.t? 13:31 Joubu serials.t is not failing 13:31 wahanui i think serials.t is failing 13:31 Joubu serials.t? 13:31 tcohen that woudl be a refinement step 13:31 wahanui Serials.t is probably failing 13:31 marcelr Joubu: And Serials.t ? 13:30 Joubu t/Budgets.t .................................................... ok 25627 ms 13:30 Joubu vs 13:30 Joubu t/Budgets.t .................................................... ok 13648 ms 13:30 Joubu and 13:30 Joubu a 13:30 tcohen Joubu: will try to fix it after lunch 13:28 tcohen saw it, they failed for me during my flight 13:28 Joubu tcohen: search tests are still failing :-/ 13:22 tcohen LOL 13:22 LeeJ READMEs are for people with free time ;D 13:21 tcohen I missed it at some point 13:21 tcohen the README has it 13:21 LeeJ I see it now 13:21 LeeJ OOH 13:21 tcohen ah 13:21 LeeJ I've only ever seen it listed with the hyphenated flag 13:21 tcohen I guess is upper on the vagrant docs? 13:21 LeeJ didn't know that... 13:21 LeeJ O.o 13:20 tcohen when there's vagrant provision (shorter) 13:20 LeeJ nor do I 13:20 tcohen yeah, I don't understand why people prefer vagrant up --provision 13:20 tcohen hehe 13:20 LeeJ I made it myself after wizzyrea was helping me explain kohadevbox to pianohacker yesterday and it gave me inspiration when she said you can use vagrant up --provision if you bork up the devbox 13:19 * LeeJ bows 13:18 tcohen I like it 13:18 tcohen hehe 13:18 tcohen :-D 13:18 tcohen :-S 13:18 wahanui it has been said that such vagrant is https://imgur.com/ehoae99\ 13:18 LeeJ such vagrant? 13:17 LeeJ tcohen: not sure if you saw us do it, but wizzyrea and I created something yesterday that I think you'd appreciate 13:15 tcohen we need a registration form 13:14 tcohen bummer 13:14 Joubu tcohen: I did not receive any of them 13:13 tcohen (including Chile people) 13:13 tcohen Joubu: good answers to the call for a hackfest in Argentina 13:12 tcohen hi Joubu 13:11 LeeJ haha didn't know wahanui spoke French :P 13:07 marcelr hello Joubu 13:07 wahanui bonjour, Joubu 13:07 Joubu hi 13:04 marcelr fridolin++ 13:03 fridolin #peaceandlove 13:03 fridolin but I'm happy to do it for the community 13:02 fridolin RMaint is a hard work sometimes 13:02 fridolin yep I see, thanks for your help 13:01 marcelr but you dont need it 13:01 marcelr that was a nasty bug 13:01 fridolin ah oki 13:01 marcelr no the last followup on 17680 13:01 fridolin marcelr: the last followup ? not [QA Followup] - Fix some minor whitespace issues ? 13:00 marcelr i confirm that the dependency was only needed on master 13:00 marcelr you managed to do so, i understand 12:59 fridolin i'm trying to rebase on 17.05.x without bug 17680 12:59 fridolin marcelr: oki thanks for the warning 12:58 marcelr fridolin: i suspect that you do not need it but safety first.. 12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17680 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, C4::Circulation - Replace GetItemIssue with Koha::Checkouts 12:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18996 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , SIP sets ok flag to true for refused checkin for data corruption 12:58 marcelr fridolin: bug 18996 and its dependency on bug 17680: have a look at the last followup dt_from_string failing silently 12:56 marcelr fridolin around ? 12:56 marcelr great 12:56 LeeJ will test it sometime today..trying to get stuff done before class and our annual picnic :D 12:56 LeeJ mhm 12:55 marcelr which got me confused somehow 12:55 LeeJ marcelr: agreed. That's why I wanted to check with you first before I did anything. Just noticed now that Kyle uploaded a more recent patch but there's no attachment comment in the comments 12:53 marcelr i agree that these comments are confusing btw 12:53 marcelr LeeJ: you can test that one; if you signoff, i hope to qa it this week 12:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15438 critical, P3, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Checking out an on-hold item sends holder's borrowernumber in AF (screen message) field. 12:52 LeeJ marcelr: question...what's up with Bug 15438? it's marked NSO but I can't tell if I should hold off on testing because it looked like you were waiting for an updated patch? 12:50 tcohen morning 12:49 marcelr hi LeeJ 12:49 LeeJ hi marcelr 12:43 marcelr hi #koha 12:40 LeeJ I just wanted to find an AJAX example to reference..I think I'm gonna play around with it and see what breaks :) 12:39 LeeJ I should have clarified that the call to the server is via TCP socket 12:38 oleonard Browsers have restrictions on cross-domain AJAX operations, so you may run into trouble. 12:37 LeeJ I already have the server talking with Koha one-way..this would be to get it communicating both ways 12:37 LeeJ our Koha is hosted by BWS..the server is on my campus in the library 12:36 oleonard Same domain? 12:36 LeeJ yes 12:35 oleonard So communicating between Koha and another server? 12:34 LeeJ oleonard: it's basically for my main responsibility at work. The short version would be "patron confirms place hold on OPAC, script gets called, triggers my external server which returns a response code to the script" 12:31 oleonard What's your plan? 12:31 LeeJ oleonard: I knew I came to the right UI guru :) 12:30 LeeJ oleonard + 10 12:28 oleonard ysearch.pl, although that's probably the oldest example 12:28 cait oleonard++ :) 12:27 oleonard AJAX? Yes. Patron autocomplete, for instance. 12:26 LeeJ oleonard: are there any existing examples of calling a Perl script from jQuery in Koha? 12:26 oleonard yes 12:26 LeeJ oleonard: around? 11:49 LeeJ hi #koha 11:49 * LeeJ waves 11:44 fridolin magnuse: bonjour à toi 11:43 fridolin oki cool thanks 10:35 cait fridolin: 18996, 8331, 16976, 18624, 19053, 19049, 18919 10:35 magnuse fridolin++ cait++ 10:25 cait can't access right now, but if you start at where you left off you probably get to them soon 10:24 * fridolin not yet out of holidays 10:24 fridolin cait: ouch im lost in my mails, could you get them and mail me, it's more secure 10:23 cait and thx! 10:22 cait they cover most of it 10:22 cait that he listed additionally to the security ones 10:22 cait the bugs from Joubu's email 10:20 fridolin cait: if you want some to be priority, send me email 10:20 fridolin cait: yep i'm late on push but im on it now 10:16 cait fridolin: can you push some bug fixes this week maybe? there are quite a few mean ones waiting and I need some time extra in case they don't apply (and travelling next week) 10:15 cait ah sorry 10:11 wahanui fridolin: i haven't a clue 10:11 fridolin wahanui: im online ? 10:10 fridolin cait: ? 10:02 fridolin cait: yep hie 09:53 cait fridolin: around? 09:40 alex_a_ Joubu: around? 08:47 magnuse great! 08:46 andreashm magnuse: I think it's open for everyone, but I'll let you know. 08:45 magnuse kia ora eythian 08:45 eythian hi 08:44 andreashm We discussed that, but not sure what we agreed on. 08:44 andreashm Yup, I know. 08:43 magnuse it doesn't say anywhere that vendors are excluded 08:42 andreashm I think it will be. Need to double-check though. 08:41 magnuse sure, if it is open to vendors? 08:41 magnuse http://koha.se/koha-i-sverige/inbjudan-till-svenska-kohanatverkets-forsta-hackfest-i-lund-29-november-2017/ 08:40 andreashm wanna come? 08:40 andreashm magnuse: yes! 08:37 magnuse ooh, hackfest in Lund! 08:37 magnuse tjänare andreashm 08:36 andreashm hej magnuse 08:28 * magnuse waves 08:24 fridolin #coffeeeeeeee 08:24 fridolin hie tehre 07:29 * andreashm waves 07:19 gaetan_B hello 06:41 reiveune hello 06:33 alex_a bonjour 06:21 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 06:21 cait @later tell kidclamp general and dev meeting overlapping today? 01:40 wizzyrea np good luck 01:39 rkl noted on that. thank you so much for your help wizzyrea! 01:38 wizzyrea rkl ^ 01:38 wizzyrea and that would get the usernames. 01:38 wizzyrea but you can select username from borrowers; 01:37 wizzyrea the passwords are one way encrypted. 01:37 wizzyrea you can't get the passwords 01:35 rkl which SQL report should i run? 01:35 rkl hello everyone. I would like to ask is there any way for me to get list of username and password of my patrons?