Time  Nick             Message
02:58 vbman213         Greetings, I have been pulling my hair out for the last 48 hours trying to resolve data corruption caused by the auto increment bug. Looking for some assistance
06:19 reiveune         hello
06:29 alex_a           bonjour
07:10 fridolin         hie there
07:16 * magnuse        waves
07:32 gaetan_B         hello
07:32 wahanui          que tal, gaetan_B
08:12 magnuse          tjänare mirkh
08:21 magnuse          hm, does koha really try to send sms to patrons without smsalertnumber and emails to patrons without email?
08:27 magnuse          is there a syspref i'm missing to avoid that?
08:34 * andreashm      waves
08:37 magnuse          hiya andreashm
08:37 andreashm        hej magnuse
08:57 * andreashm      is looking at Fines description (Patrons > pay fines) at the moment. Anyone know where the information in the description is taken from? Lost items seem to add the barcode of the item for instance but not accruing fines (we would like it to be on both).
12:09 tcohen           hi
12:09 wahanui          que tal, tcohen
13:01 Joubu            hi
13:02 Joubu            LeeJ: can you let a comment on bug 17215?
13:02 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ldjamison, Needs Signoff , Cardnumbers of patrons created using LDAP Replication not using autoMemberNum if configured
13:04 Joubu            @seen drojf
13:04 huginn           Joubu: drojf was last seen in #koha 4 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <drojf> have a nice weekend #koha
13:06 * cait           waves
13:43 Freddy_Enrique   Good morning everyone
13:43 Freddy_Enrique   :Joubu, you there?
14:07 Joubu            yes
14:08 * cait           waves
14:14 * Freddy_Enrique waves ^_^
14:15 Freddy_Enrique   well, yesterday I checked the log files and....
14:15 Freddy_Enrique   nothing
14:15 wahanui          somebody said nothing was a requirement, we have guidelines though
14:17 Joubu            Freddy_Enrique: ls /var/log/koha/*/updatedatabase* does not return any results?
14:19 Freddy_Enrique   I only saw index errors and other things, but nothing concerning the database
14:23 tcohen           @later tell khall I filled https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19196
14:23 huginn           tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:23 huginn           04Bug 19196: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Add pagination helpers
14:26 Freddy_Enrique   https://snag.gy/19WAkx.jpg
14:32 kidclamp         bug 19198
14:32 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19198 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Renewal as issue causes too many error
14:35 drojf            ping Joubu
14:37 Freddy_Enrique   Guys, how should I follow this instruction? If you are running in another language other than English, please switch to English before doing the upgrade. Does that mean the staff language? Opac lanuage?
14:38 cait             hm for the updgrade it doesn't really makse snse
14:38 cait             where is this?
14:38 wahanui          this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.
14:38 cait             it makes a lot of sense for new installations, because the language in the gui determines the language of the sample files installed
14:39 Freddy_Enrique   jajaja....well....
14:39 Freddy_Enrique   the official koha instalation page
14:39 Freddy_Enrique   so, I can just skip it
14:39 cait             Freddy_Enrique: link please :)
14:40 cait             there are different ones for  different OS etc
14:40 Freddy_Enrique   sure cait
14:40 Freddy_Enrique   https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages
14:40 cait             just want to take a quick look
14:40 cait             I think it could be seen as a recommendation
14:40 cait             so that you see the web installer in your language
14:41 cait             tcohen: around?
14:41 Freddy_Enrique   I want to find out what could have gone wrong with the update
14:41 cait             still the missing club templates?
14:41 tcohen           hi cait
14:41 Freddy_Enrique   yeah....
14:41 wahanui          yeah is probably it still safe to come to US?
14:41 cait             can you take a look here:  https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages#Upgrade_Instructions
14:41 cait             I think the part about regenerating the templates is not right
14:42 cait             Freddy_Enrique: I think the problem is your mysql version still
14:42 Freddy_Enrique   if I were to install the Maria DB, would that solve the problem?
14:42 cait             or more the way the sql of the club templates was written
14:42 cait             not immediately, but it would prevent other errors
14:42 cait             you can't rerun an update
14:43 cait             you didn't see any update errors?
14:43 Freddy_Enrique   I see... well, for the moment everything is ok but the patron
14:43 cait             did you check the system preference I asked about yesterday?
14:43 cait             but the patron?
14:43 wahanui          i heard the patron was systematically debarred, until the calculated due date
14:43 Freddy_Enrique   https://snag.gy/19WAkx.jpg
14:43 Freddy_Enrique   I cant see the patrons info
14:44 cait             what's the error?
14:44 Freddy_Enrique   it results in errors
14:44 Freddy_Enrique   let see
14:44 cait             and not those error logs unfortunately
14:44 cait             when the web installer or command line installer runs, it shoudl give you mysql error messages for things that didn't work
14:44 Freddy_Enrique   Template process failed: undef error - DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Table 'koha_biblioteca.club_enrollments' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Objects.pm line 260
14:44 cait             they are always at the bottom of the output and you absolutely need to check on them
14:45 cait             we are talking production system here, ... don't we?
14:45 Freddy_Enrique   didnt know about that. So, those error outputs actually help me solve the probloem?
14:45 Freddy_Enrique   unfortunately..yeah}+
14:45 cait             they help you see problems in the first place
14:45 cait             and they are not stored
14:46 cait             so we can#t know what else might have failed during your update now
14:46 Freddy_Enrique   should have known
14:46 cait             what I'd try is adding the tables to your database and see from there
14:46 cait             which version did you update to exactly?
14:46 tcohen           what is the actual problem?
14:46 wahanui          the actual problem is just the /bin/bash
14:47 Freddy_Enrique   I updated from 16.05
14:47 tcohen           into?
14:47 tcohen           17.05
14:47 Freddy_Enrique   this new one, 17.05.02.000
14:48 tcohen           Freddy_Enrique: maybe fridolin can help
14:48 tcohen           but you will ned to provide more insights
14:48 cait             tcohen: the club-tables are missing completely
14:48 tcohen           for example, you ran the upgrade using a command (apt upgrade)
14:48 cait             or some tof them
14:48 tcohen           some errors should've been displayed on the terminal
14:49 Freddy_Enrique   I'm using ubuntu 14.04
14:49 cait             hmmm
14:49 Freddy_Enrique   That Koha was intalled on June give or take
14:49 cait             hmm
14:49 fridolin         Freddy_Enrique: whou ubuntu 14.04 is qwite old
14:49 fridolin         no sql error on upgrade ?
14:50 Freddy_Enrique   I know that Ubuntu 14.04 is not supported anymore, but thats what I found
14:50 cait             inherited the installation?
14:51 cait             what was the version you updated from?
14:51 Freddy_Enrique   16.05
14:51 Freddy_Enrique   so....it was ubuntu 14.04 with a 16.05 koha version
14:52 tcohen           Freddy_Enrique: did you create a backup before?
14:52 Freddy_Enrique   Luckily, it is on virtual box so I told the guy in charge of the network to take a snapshot
14:52 tcohen           uff
14:52 cait             if it's an option... i'd start over
14:52 tcohen           that will help
14:53 tcohen           if it is an option
14:53 cait             or you could at elast reproduce the errors maybe
14:53 tcohen           create a Debian 8 VM
14:53 tcohen           or Ubuntu 16.04
14:53 wahanui          Ubuntu 16.04 is, like, the new LTS release
14:53 tcohen           so you can actually enjoy Koha
14:53 tcohen           (speeeeeeeed)
14:53 Freddy_Enrique   I was told that there could be some problems whenever updates takes place
14:54 cait             it mostly runs smoothly... I think you have been unlucky
14:54 Freddy_Enrique   SO, what would be the recommendation guys?
14:54 Freddy_Enrique   XD
14:54 Freddy_Enrique   darn it
14:55 tcohen           backups are usually done automatically
14:55 tcohen           in /var/spool/koha/biblioteca/backups
14:55 Freddy_Enrique   yeah... I have the sql backup
14:55 cait             Freddy_Enrique: just trying to give yo hope for the next one :)
14:55 tcohen           so you can probably pick the sql file
14:55 tcohen           and test on a new VM
14:57 Freddy_Enrique   Then... I procced by telling the guy to create a new vm and the import that sql?
14:57 Freddy_Enrique   proceed*
14:57 Freddy_Enrique   forgive me for the typos, still getting used to it
14:57 tcohen           Create the VM, install koha-common, create an instance, import the SQL into the instance's DB. run koha-upgrade-schema
14:58 tcohen           adjust apache
15:00 Freddy_Enrique   thanks a lot guys
15:00 Freddy_Enrique   one more thing....
15:00 wahanui          one more thing is I'm installing this new koha for and old version dumped database. besides kohaeupgrade-schema instancename     what shall i do?
15:00 Freddy_Enrique   does karma exits in this irc?
15:00 tcohen           it does
15:00 tcohen           @karma Joubu
15:00 huginn           tcohen: Karma for "Joubu" has been increased 517 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 515.
15:00 Freddy_Enrique   tcohen++
15:01 Freddy_Enrique   cait++
15:01 Freddy_Enrique   for telling me my reality XD
15:01 cait             I hope it will all go well
15:01 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 19035 - Stored XSS in lists.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=36ba8be88a9543942102580f2b1abe1e5e108c35> / Bug 19114 - Stored XSS in parcels.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8534ca278022e82f55b1907bac31afa7e86b9d5f> / Bug 19112 - Stored XSS in basketheader.pl page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d31c635fe2cc6d0b715661d35
15:01 cait             so next time we can talk about more fun stuff :)
15:04 Freddy_Enrique   Thanks cait, I'll be around for sure :)
15:20 Joubu            [off] Apparently I published too many things at the same time for the security releases
15:20 Joubu            [off] I pushed to master the patches, whereas I should have waited for a couple of days
15:27 tcohen           [off] it will be fine
15:28 cait             [off] yep
15:28 cait             [off] most important is the releases are out now
15:29 magnuse          [off] perfect timing for me - i had an updgrade planned for tonight anyway :-)
15:31 Dyrcona          Freddy_Enrique++ # Seeing the discussion here reminded of a bug fix for Evergreen that has been sitting on my laptop since June.
15:32 pastebot         "tcohen" at 172.22.66.163 pasted "Joubu, khall: Pagination plugin" (84 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/624
15:35 Freddy_Enrique   Hey Dyrcona!!!!
15:35 wahanui          i guess dyrcona is not surprised. Most of the standards I've seen for ILL aren't really standards.
15:35 magnuse          how are people doing their iterative bulkmarcimports when bug 12488 is unfixed?
15:36 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12488 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bulkmarcimport.pl -d option should use DELETE instead of TRUNCATE
15:36 pastebot         "tcohen" at 172.22.66.163 pasted "khall Joubu: using the helpers in /patrons" (48 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/625
15:37 cait             magnuse: iterative?
15:37 cait             i think we don't use -d
15:38 magnuse          when i do a migration i do a first migration and import into koha, get feedback on the results, do a new migration and import into koha again, and so on until everyone is happy
15:38 magnuse          which means i use -d a lot :-)
15:38 magnuse          maybe it's just me
16:16 * oleonard       slowly remembers how to use git-bz
16:30 * LeeJ           waves
16:30 LeeJ             hi #koha
16:34 LeeJ             can anyone confirm that there is not currently a way of selecting specific items when placing a hold on 2 or more items from the cart in the intranet?
16:36 kidclamp         https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15565
16:36 huginn           04Bug 15565: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Signed Off , Place multiple holds at once for the same record
16:36 kidclamp         leej^
16:48 oleonard         anyone else get errors like "error: unable to unlink old 'C4/Letters.pm' (Text file busy)" when using git inside kohadevbox?
16:52 Joubu            Sounds like a permission issue. Does it work outside?
16:52 Joubu            ha no, "text file busy"
16:53 Joubu            concurrent access to the file (?)
17:15 jenkins          Project Koha_Master_D8 build #247: SUCCESS in 2 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/247/
17:15 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18726: Fix XSS at the OPAC - biblionumber
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19078 - XSS Flaws in System preferences
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19054 - XSS Flaws in Report - Top Most-circulated items
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19052 - XSS Flaws in vendor search page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19052 - XSS Flaws in - Invoice search page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19051 - XSS Flaws in - Batch record deletion page
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18726 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , OPAC XSS - biblionumber
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19051 - XSS Flaws in Batch item deletion page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19051 - XSS Flaws in - Batch item modification page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19050 - XSS Flaws in Quick spine label creator
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19034: XSS Flaws in Patron categories pages
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in System preferences
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in Report - Top Most-circulated items
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19034: XSS Flaws in Cities
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19034: XSS Flaws in Z39.50/SRU servers administration
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19052 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in - vendor search page - Invoice search page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19034: (followup) Fix letters.tt XSS flaw
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19034: (followup 2) Fix letters.tt XSS flaw
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19051 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in - Batch record deletion page - Batch item deletion page - Batch item modification page
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19050 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in Quick spine label creator
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19033: XSS Flaws in Currencies and exchange page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19079 - XSS Flaws in Membership page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 16069 - XSS issue in basket.pl page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19105 - XSS Stored in holidays.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in- Cities - Z39.50/SRU servers administration - Patron categories pages
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in Currencies and exchange page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19100 - XSS Flaws in memberentry.pl
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19110 - XSS Stored in branches.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19079 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in Membership page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19112 - Stored XSS in basketheader.pl page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19114 - Stored XSS in parcels.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16069 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS issue in basket.pl page
17:16 jenkins          * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19035 - Stored XSS in lists.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19105 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Stored in holidays.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19100 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Flaws in memberentry.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19110 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , XSS Stored in branches.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19112 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , Stored XSS in basketheader.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19114 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , Stored XSS in parcels.pl
17:16 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19035 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , Stored XSS in patron lists -  lists.pl
17:27 LeeJ             kidclamp++
17:32 tcohen           kidclamp++ #always
17:33 kidclamp         hah
17:34 LeeJ             always
17:35 LeeJ             unfortunately it seems I can't even apply that bug to see if that's what I was looking for...I run into a merge conflict
17:53 oleonard         LeeJ: I rebased it (correctly I hope)
17:55 oleonard         Bye all
18:04 LeeJ             oleonard++
18:10 LeeJ             kidclamp_away turns out that bug wasn't what I had hoped it was..still can't select specific item to place hold on from intranet cart
18:10 LeeJ             unless I'm doing something wrong :P
18:32 LeeJ             @later tell oleonard Thanks for rebasing that patch! The patch applied cleanly but it turned out not to be what I was inquiring about. I filed Bug 19199 for it since there didn't seem to be an existing bug report
18:32 huginn           LeeJ: The operation succeeded.
19:58 rangi            morning
19:58 Dyrcona          afternoon
19:58 wahanui          afternoon is probably good
20:01 pianohacker      gmcharlt: around? The wiki seems to be unable to do image thumbnails
20:07 gmcharlt         pianohacker: I'll take a look
20:08 pianohacker      thanks :)
20:16 gmcharlt         pianohacker: hmm, seems to work for me, e.g., https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/User:Gmcharlt
20:16 gmcharlt         maybe was a transitory problem?
20:17 tcohen           bye!
20:17 tcohen           hi gmcharlt !
20:18 pianohacker      gmcharlt: possibly... but I can't figure out how to regenerate thumbnails on https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Circulation_Rules_Interface_and_Backend_Revamp_RFC
20:33 pianohacker      gmcharlt: likely relevant: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:R95bjwi9cunw6oiw
20:47 pianohacker      hi magnuse :)
20:50 * LeeJ           waves to pianohacker
20:51 LeeJ             pianohacker: I have an Advanced Editor-related question for you about a strange anomaly if you have a moment :)
20:52 pianohacker      LeeJ: I very well may :) what's up?
20:54 LeeJ             pianohacker: we just moved to 16.11 from 3.22..on 3.22 when our cataloger would import from z39.50 and open in advanced editor all the fields would be in numerical order and the 999 field would always be the last in the list at the very bottom. Now when she imports from z39.50 999 appears at the very top
20:55 pianohacker      LeeJ: hmm... I'm not positive, but I suspect that may have been a change elsewhere; what order are the fields in if you download the record and look at it in marcedit?
20:55 LeeJ             that's a good question
20:56 * LeeJ           pokes around
20:56 gmcharlt         pianohacker: thanks, that saved me a lot of time, and SVG thumbnails should now be working
20:57 pianohacker      gmcharlt: cool. Thanks for looking into this. I'm still getting the same dang error even trying a different size thumbnail, and I'm wondering if I need to reupload smaller or just reupload
20:58 gmcharlt         I'll play around a bit to see if I can get the thumbnails refreshed
20:58 pianohacker      gmcharlt++
20:58 LeeJ             pianohacker: I'm going to look over her shoulder tomorrow and check. Thanks for the suggestion :)
20:58 LeeJ             pianohacker++
20:58 pianohacker      LeeJ: yw!
20:58 LeeJ             eventually I might learn how to use it myself ;D
20:59 pianohacker      crazy talk...
21:02 gmcharlt         pianohacker: OK, is moar better now
21:02 gmcharlt         I ended up tweaking $wgMaxShellMemory
21:05 pianohacker      gmcharlt: Yes!! Perfect, gracias
21:09 pianohacker      tallerjoy++
21:09 tallerjoy        :D
21:09 pianohacker      (just as long as she isn't taller than me)
21:09 tallerjoy        not yet.
21:27 pianohacker      bbl
21:28 TGoat            hiya Koha, does anyone know if the automatic_item_modification_by_age rules is applied in the order they're created (numerically)?
21:47 CrispyBran       cait, are you up?
21:49 CrispyBran       Any programmers here I can ask a quick question?
21:50 LeeJ             CrispyBran what's up?
21:51 CrispyBran       Trying to understand the last comment in https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18437
21:51 huginn           04Bug 18437: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cbrannon, Signed Off , Acquisitions fund edit repair
21:51 LeeJ             TGoat: give me a sec..I'll take a look
21:51 LeeJ             CrispyBran: one sec..let me see..
21:51 TGoat            hey thanks LeeJ :D
21:52 wizzyrea         well the commit message is [Bug xxxxx[
21:53 wizzyrea         and I guess whatever they were using to sign off wanted Bug xxxxx
21:53 wizzyrea         with no brackets.
21:53 wizzyrea         which is a bit arbitrary but whatever.
21:53 CrispyBran       It should be in brackets though, right?
21:53 wizzyrea         no?
21:53 wahanui          http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg
21:54 LeeJ             wizzyrea beat me to it lol
21:54 TGoat            hey wahanui you skydive?
21:54 LeeJ             TGoat looking now..
21:54 wizzyrea         a skydiving IRC bot would be a sight to behold
21:54 TGoat            if so that's a dangerous way to wear your rig :P
21:54 TGoat            hehe
21:55 TGoat            thanks again LeeJ
21:56 wizzyrea         the brackets probably don't matter to anyone except the koha sandboxes
21:56 wizzyrea         (making the fantastic assumption that is how they were trying to sign off)
21:56 CrispyBran       Ah....my mistake.  Thinking of the status when I entered it.  Okay.  Thanks for setting me straight.  Wonder if I will ever get this down.
21:56 wizzyrea         but. Since they matter to the sandboxen, it's probably better to omit them
21:57 wizzyrea         (I didn't realise it got fussy about them either, so there's that.) ;)
21:58 CrispyBran       So....we both learned something.  It was a beneficial mistake.
21:58 CrispyBran       ;)
21:58 wizzyrea         they usually are :)
21:58 LeeJ             TGoat: without spending hours tracing the logic trail it appears that they are parsed in creation order
21:58 TGoat            right on.. thanks LeeJ !
21:58 TGoat            that was my ass-umption but could not be sure
21:59 CrispyBran       Should I resubmit?  It has been signed off anyway.
21:59 LeeJ             TGoat: I'd delve deeper but I'm leaving work in 4 minutes..I'll dig deeper tomorrow and if I'm wrong I'll contact you
21:59 TGoat            that'd be great. George at NEKLS is asking
22:00 LeeJ             ahh..we can't keep them waiting too long :)
22:00 wizzyrea         CrispyBran, I don't think that's necessary really.
22:00 TGoat            heheh.. George is pretty cool
22:00 CrispyBran       Okay.  I'm holding you to that.
22:00 wizzyrea         you can always git commit --amend and change the commit messages
22:00 CrispyBran       George is awesome.
22:01 LeeJ             TGoat I'll look deeper when I boot up at home then. Though I think I'm correct in my answer but will double check :)
22:01 LeeJ             take care #koha
23:49 kidclamp_phone   reserves should henceforth be known as 'dibs'
23:49 wizzyrea         😂
23:51 pianohacker      does that mean the first person in line has to yell "shotgun!" to actually get their book?
23:53 kidclamp_phone   yesss