Time Nick Message 02:16 mtj ping rangi, are you about for a quick SAML chat this arvo? 02:18 mtj ..ive had some success with mod_mellon, but am missing a few clues too 02:42 BobB mtj rangi is prolly traveling back to Wellington today 02:47 ibeardslee he was in the office earlier 02:56 mtompset Greetings, mtj BobB ibeardslee :) 02:57 mtompset mtj: oh the fun that is SAML. :) 02:58 mtompset Glad I don't have to worry about that any more. Had a middle-ware PHP hack deal with it, and wrote encrypted negotiation service for ... but the Google OpenID stuff ... good enough for me now. :) 03:01 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha mtj BobB ibeardslee (and probably wizzyrea hiding somewhere ) 03:02 mtj i agree with openid... 03:13 wizzyrea :) 05:22 * ashimema is interested to know what mtj is doing with SAML in this context? 05:22 * ashimema has never used mod_mellon.. just googled it and it looks interesting.. 05:24 mtj hi ashimema, i'm poking at a Koha+SAML setup 05:24 ashimema why not mod_shib then? 05:25 ashimema is mellon a drop in replacement for shibboleth service provider + mod_shib 05:25 * ashimema is still reading mellon docs 05:26 mtj 1/ client prefers SAML, 2/ rangi mentioned that mellon is an easy setup... and 'just works'? 05:26 * ashimema has shibboleth (saml2) working with koha sp + adfs, azure, shibboleth and simplesamlphp idp's so far 05:26 ashimema ok. 05:27 ashimema mellon is https://github.com/UNINETT/mod_auth_mellon/wiki right? 05:28 mtj ..its my vague hunch that mellon must work outside of Koha's internal auth stuff - how that would actually work is beyond me 05:28 mtj yep, that mellon :) 05:29 ashimema ooh.. is it by the Feide guys 05:29 ashimema cool.. they also wrote simplesamlphp I believe 05:29 ashimema and when I wrote the shibboleth stuff for koha their test IdP was extremely helpful 05:29 mtj this is interesting to me... -> http://blog.rot13.org/2011/06/saml2-sp-with-perl-webapp.html 05:30 ashimema have you read https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Shibboleth_Configuration 05:30 ashimema I should update it a bit.. 05:30 ashimema but for me that was by far the simplest route to goal 05:31 ashimema there seems to be some confusion between SAML2 and Shibboleth.. they are basicalyl synonyms at this point in my understanding ;) 05:32 ashimema But.. I will be the first to admit the shibboleth service provider package is heavy 05:32 mtj yep ... ive read all that ^ 05:33 mtj dobrica says 'I didn't need to modify Koha at all because it already has support for HTTP authorization.' 05:34 ashimema koha already has support for saml2 auth now 05:34 ashimema ;) 05:34 ashimema I never managed to get authmemcookie to work in dobrica's way 05:35 * ashimema has been round that loop a bunch of times a bunch of years ago 05:37 mtj i do intend to try a shib setup too - i just had a quick look at mellon :) 05:37 ashimema I'd be very interested to see what milage you get from mello.. looks very interesting 05:38 mtj ashimema: i also am a bit confused about the diff. btw SAML and shib 05:38 ashimema couple of points.. 05:38 ashimema it looks like it passes attributes in the same way that shibboleth does by default.. 05:38 ashimema using environment variables 05:38 ashimema if you're using plack that won't work 05:39 ashimema you'll need to convert those environment variables to headers during the proxy process 05:39 ashimema shibboleth == saml ;) 05:39 ashimema saml is the token 'shape' 05:39 ashimema shibboleth is an implementation 05:40 ashimema so shibboleth == saml but saml != shibboleth 05:40 ashimema however.. I'm yet to come accross a saml token that shibboleth can't handle 05:41 mtj great info, thanks :) 05:41 ashimema > The Shibboleth software implements widely used federated identity standards, principally the OASIS Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML), to provide a federated single sign-on and attribute exchange framework. 05:41 ashimema direct quote from the shibboleth homepage.. shibboleth is a software that implients saml ;) 05:41 ashimema took me ages to understand that.. 05:42 ashimema shibboleth isn't a protocol or scheme.. it's just pair of software products (IdP and SP) that implements SAML.. 05:43 ashimema so it's more akin to say shibboleth is like adfs or azure or simplesamlphp or mod_auth_mellon than to say it's SAML.. those all support SAML 05:43 mtj too easy :p 05:43 ashimema :) 05:43 ashimema hope that helps anyways 05:43 * ashimema best go get the girls ready for school 05:44 mtj indeed :) 05:44 ashimema there are a bunch of additional koha patches in bugzilla adding additional handling for saml attributes btw.. I'm happy to rebase them when someone looks at them.. most of them I have running in production in various places 05:49 mtj ok thanks, ill try to take a look at them 05:53 cait @later tell fridolin can you take a look at bug 16711 please? 05:53 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 06:32 zefanja I have a problem with rebuilding the zebra index. I'm using Koha 17.05.01.000 on Ubuntu 16.04 in a LXC container. I always get the following error: 06:32 zefanja error retrieving biblio 7267 at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 683, <DATA> line 755. 06:33 zefanja I worked before but since I undo some imports, it stop working 06:35 zefanja It looks like that there is an error with my records I like to import. Is there a way to get a more detailed error message where zebra failed to parse the raw marc21 data? 06:38 zefanja the import itself is fine. Just the indexer seems to the problem. 06:39 BobB zefanja have you had a look at biblio 7267? It might be corrupt? 06:40 zefanja this was just an example. I get this error for all of my imported records. 06:40 BobB oops 06:42 BobB what happens if you go to this page: 06:43 BobB https://YOUR_KOHA_STAFF_CLIENT/https:/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=7267 06:44 BobB ? 06:44 BobB (substitute you own address of course 06:44 BobB there's an error there 06:45 BobB https://YOUR_KOHA_STAFF_CLIENT/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=7267 06:45 BobB that's better 06:46 BobB If that displays a good record, you have a zebra problem, otherwise you probably have a problem with your biblio records 06:49 zefanja BobB: no error, I can view the record just fine. 06:49 BobB ok, how did you install Koha, from Debian packages or from a tarball? 06:49 fridolin hie tehre 06:50 BobB hi fridolin 06:50 zefanja BobB: Debian packages 06:50 wahanui Debian packages is, like, a good way 06:51 zefanja it worked fine (also with my imported records). But then I undo some imports, because I had duplicate entries. Than it stop working when I tried to add new records (maybe it stop before, but I noticed it when I've tried to reimport some records) 06:52 zefanja BobB: could it be a cache problem? 06:52 BobB Is this the documentation you are using? 06:52 BobB https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#Zebra-related 06:53 BobB yes, it could definitely be a cache problem 06:53 zefanja BobB: yes, I did sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instancename 06:53 zefanja BobB: How do I clean the cache? 06:53 BobB do you plack enabled? 06:54 zefanja BobB: hmm...I don't know. I haven't enabled it. 06:55 BobB ok, it sounds like its more than a browser cache prolbem though 06:58 BobB zefanja, I would suggest that you stop zebra, restart it and try again to run Koha-rebuild-zebra 06:58 BobB if that does not work, you need someone with more knowledge than me to help you (: 06:59 reiveune hello 07:01 zefanja BobB: Thank you for your ideas. Stopping and restarting zebra didn't help :( 07:01 BobB (: sorry 07:01 zefanja maybe I should write to the mailing list 07:04 BobB yeah, no-one else here is jumping in, so that might be the best way now 07:12 fridolin zefanja: your catalog is MARC21 ? 07:12 fridolin my 2c 07:14 zefanja fridolin: yes 07:15 fridolin oki then, its the default MARC flavour at install 07:16 zefanja fridolin: I've imported the records in a custom framework (but tried the default one, too) 07:19 fridolin ah oki 07:19 * fridolin no idea 07:19 zefanja fridolin: no problem. I'm using the german version of the default flavour. Could that be a problem? 07:24 fridolin whouuuu 07:25 fridolin zefanja: which MARC ? 07:25 fridolin this flavour is configured inside zebra engine also 07:26 fridolin but i bet it is compatible with MARC21, you just have to keep important fields in the same place 07:26 fridolin keep the links : cgi-bin/koha/admin/koha2marclinks.pl 07:27 fridolin is biblionumber on 999$c ? 07:27 zefanja fridolin: yes, I haven't changed things in the koha to marc mapping 07:27 zefanja yes 07:30 fridolin ah 07:31 fridolin this could break the indexing 07:32 fridolin check all mappings exists like in MARC21 default framework I'd say 07:33 gaetan_B hello 07:33 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 07:54 * fridolin created Bug 18955 07:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18955 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , autocomplete is on in OPAC password recovery 07:55 fridolin dirty privacy bug in my opinion 08:51 eythian hi 09:11 jenkins Project Koha_17.05.x_D8 build #4: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_17.05.x_D8/4/ 09:11 jenkins fridolin.somers: Bug 16711: OPAC Password recovery: Handling if multiple accounts have 09:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16711 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , OPAC Password recovery: Handling if multiple accounts have the same mail address 10:15 cait fridolin: commented on bug 16711 10:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16711 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Stable , OPAC Password recovery: Handling if multiple accounts have the same mail address 10:17 fridolin cait: yep oki 10:17 fridolin help text should be corrected then 10:18 fridolin it says enter loggin "and" email 10:18 fridolin but in my opinion cardnumber or login should be mandatory 10:19 fridolin whithout it, one could use a bot to check random email adresses to SPAM 10:19 cait yeah i can agree with that 10:19 cait having one of them makes sense to me 10:19 cait i am just worried that the feature as is is not really useful for a lot of libraries now 10:19 cait at least wouldn#t be for a lot of ours 10:19 cait they have their cardnumber, but no idea about userid 10:20 cait and the userid gets rid of accents, umlauts etc. so it's not always easy to explain how they can enter the right thing 10:44 * cait waves at francharb 10:49 fridolin cait: new comment on Bug 18616 10:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18616 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , The "Add forgot password link to OPAC" should allow patrons to use their library card number in addition to username 10:49 cait :) 10:50 fridolin i found a privacy pb I thinks 10:50 cait hm 10:50 fridolin passw recovery form is always a bit difficult on websites, it should not be that easy on our OPAC 10:50 cait so the form asks for login cardnumber and then shows you the email? 10:50 fridolin yep 10:50 cait so you could guess to find out people's emails 10:51 fridolin so one can take the card from someone else and post twice to know email 10:51 cait commented too 10:51 cait thx for checking! 10:51 fridolin there is no capcha so a bot could use this to SPAM all users 10:51 cait @later tell Joubu can you take a look at discussion on bug 18616 plz? 10:51 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 10:52 fridolin by cardnumber brut force 10:52 cait yeah also privacy 10:52 cait [off] if the library uses sequential cardnumbers 10:53 fridolin even whitouth sequential, simply brutforce 1 to 1 billion form post on OPAC 10:54 fridolin i"m not an expert on web crawling but i think it makes it easy 11:21 marcelr hi #koha 11:25 cait hi marcelr 11:25 marcelr o/ 11:26 JesseM Good morning 11:26 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes 11:26 marcelr hi JesseM 11:26 JesseM hi marcelr 11:28 JesseM Is there a way to see if bug 18435 is in 16.11.07 ? 11:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18435 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Stable , Message about Materials specified does not display when items are checked out and checked in 11:28 marcelr use git log 11:30 JesseM Thank you 11:30 JesseM doesn't look like it is 11:31 marcelr the report says: will be in 16.11.08 11:31 JesseM yes and there is it. :) 11:32 JesseM Thx 12:06 * LeeJ waves 12:07 * LibraryClaire waves 12:07 LeeJ morning #koha 12:10 cait morning LeeJ 12:11 * LeeJ waves to cait and LibraryClaire 12:24 marcelr hi LeeJ 12:24 marcelr anyone in for a 5 minute signoff ? 12:24 marcelr bug 18951 needs you 12:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18951 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Some t/Biblio tests are database dependent 12:24 marcelr and i need it for bug 10306 12:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10306 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Allow duplicate Koha to Marc mappings (say publication info in MARC21 260 or RDA 264) 12:25 marcelr which is of some importance :) 12:25 LeeJ hi marcelr! Give me about 3 minutes to boot up my laptop and I'll take a look at them :) 12:26 marcelr i should have 3 mins :) thanks 12:32 LeeJ marcelr: just waiting for master to update...haven't worked on this laptop in a week :) 12:33 marcelr dev are always waiting ;) 12:33 marcelr devs 12:33 marcelr press any key to continue 12:35 * LeeJ facerolls keyboard 12:38 LeeJ marcelr: especially when you're 121 commits behind :P 12:38 marcelr ahhh 12:40 eythian fridolin: all those entry points ought to have rate limiting to prevent brute force attacks. 12:41 eythian (not that they do, but they _should_) 12:42 fridolin indeed 12:43 fridolin that is the force of human validation ;) 12:43 LeeJ marcelr: there you go! 12:44 marcelr cool 12:50 LeeJ I swear..if this problem that's been plaguing me with devbox testing on Windows turns out to be this read-only folder permission I'm going to flip a table 12:52 marcelr thx LeeJ++ for signing off 12:52 LeeJ marcelr: any time! 12:54 marcelr wish i had a DND suffix :) 12:57 eythian marcelr: you can play Dungeons and Dragons whenever you like. 12:58 marcelr your assumption might be "on gespannen voet met de waarheid" 12:58 marcelr just around 50% 12:58 marcelr you should get that one already 12:58 marcelr on=op 12:59 eythian heh 12:59 eythian I thought op=op 12:59 marcelr so true 12:59 LeeJ @roll 12:59 huginn LeeJ: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 12:59 marcelr good Dutch expression 12:59 LeeJ hmm..I thought there was a dice command? lol 12:59 marcelr RDA will never be ready 12:59 LeeJ xD 12:59 LeeJ @rolldice 12:59 huginn LeeJ: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 13:00 LeeJ :( 13:00 LeeJ ah! 13:00 LeeJ @dice 1d20 13:00 huginn LeeJ: 10 13:00 LeeJ :D 13:01 marcelr @dice 13:01 huginn marcelr: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice. 13:01 marcelr ok 13:01 LeeJ :D 13:02 marcelr @dice 200d200 13:02 huginn marcelr: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice. 13:02 marcelr stupid dice 13:02 LeeJ I find it funny you can't roll more than 6 but the instructions have 10d10 as an example 13:02 LeeJ @dice 10d10 13:02 huginn LeeJ: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice. 13:02 marcelr you found a bug ! 13:02 LeeJ I did! 13:02 marcelr documentation bug 13:03 LeeJ who handles huginn so I can let them know? 13:06 tcohen hola #koha 13:16 LeeJ morning tcohen! 13:17 marcelr hola tcohen 13:17 tcohen hi LeeJ marcelr 13:17 marcelr tcohen: bug 18951 is ready for your QA approval :) 13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18951 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Some t/Biblio tests are database dependent 13:17 marcelr its tests ! 13:17 tcohen marcelr: awesome 13:18 marcelr i need it for something more complicated 13:18 marcelr duplicate koha to marc mappings 13:18 tcohen I'm about to re-test bug 18137, because it's been ready for push for a while, and we really need it 13:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI 13:19 marcelr why did it stay in the queue ? 13:19 marcelr another one too for rest api 13:19 tcohen all work on the REST api needs to be based on that bug, because it moves from the old Swagger2 plugin to the new one 13:20 marcelr if you need to jump, you might as well do it one day 13:36 tcohen @seen drojf 13:36 huginn tcohen: drojf was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <drojf> of the ausnahmezustand? 13:36 cait tcohen: might be better to email him 13:36 tcohen cait: already did 14:30 Joubu cait, fridolin: I think we should remove the private flag on bug 18616, the patches are only in master 14:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18616 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , The "Add forgot password link to OPAC" should allow patrons to use their library card number in addition to username 14:30 Joubu so we can get opinions from authors 14:31 fridolin Joubu: yes but we are speaking about a security issue existing in stable branches 14:32 fridolin meaning 18956 14:32 Joubu not in stable 14:32 fridolin Joubu: yes but with loggin 14:32 fridolin this enh makes it worst by adding cardnumber 14:33 fridolin i found the security issue while working on this bug but it is not directly dependant 14:33 fridolin you repriduce ? 14:33 Joubu that does not sound so critical to me 14:36 Joubu fridolin: are you going to submit a patch? 15:13 Joubu Please QA bug 18851 ASAP 15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18851 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , use Test::DBIx::Class in tests breaks packaging 15:31 everyday curious if anyone knows a way to help automate a project I have. We have many poorly done marc records from our old system that got imported. Maybe a couple thousand. Where things like the authors name will have "Grisham, John" and below that "Grisham, John." and below that "Grisham, John," can I reconcile all these into ONE version of that authors name? I am preparing to have to do it individually if need be, but don't really wanna have to 15:31 everyday go that route 15:34 cait are you using authorities? 16:14 LeeJ cait: good job scaring them away! ;) 16:59 Flusskiesel Hello! 17:27 paulofrancisco_antonio Hi everybody 17:27 wahanui Hi, Doctor Nick! 17:27 paulofrancisco_antonio I installed koha 17.05 version o ubuntu server and created a koha instance name bdigital 17:31 paulofrancisco_antonio after i changed the koha hosts file in etc with the following: 192.168.10.19 bdigital.cis-edu.org (for opac),192.168.10.19 bdigital-intra.cis-edu.org (for intranet, staff interface) 17:34 paulofrancisco_antonio Then i edited the koha-sites.conf with the following DOMAIN=''.cis-edu.org'',INTRAPORT=''8080'',INTRASUFFIX=''-intra'',OPACPORT=''80'' and others option are as default 17:36 paulofrancisco_antonio Also changed koha ports config in /etc/apache2/ports.conf with the following: Listen 80, Listen 8080 17:43 paulofrancisco_antonio and in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default.conf i put: ServerName bdigital-intra.cis-edu.org 17:43 paulofrancisco_antonio ServerAlias www.bdigital-intra.cis-edu.org 17:43 paulofrancisco_antonio DocumentRoot /var/www/html (What directory must be put here) 17:44 paulofrancisco_antonio When i put in browser bdigital-intra.cis-edu.org:8080 it does not show anything 17:44 paulofrancisco_antonio i i put the server address with the port i mean 192.168.10.19:8080 it show the apache default message 17:45 paulofrancisco_antonio I want to start the koha web install by the browser 17:45 paulofrancisco_antonio Please help me 17:51 oleonard paulofrancisco_antonio: I've found in the past that disabling the default site in Apache solves this problem. 17:51 oleonard paulofrancisco_antonio: That's assuming you don't need the default site as well as Koha. 19:32 tcohen later 19:52 kidclamp_DND @later tell tcohen reset_all is too close to restart_all - I was not prepared for that :-D 19:52 huginn kidclamp_DND: The operation succeeded. 19:57 * francharb waves @cait 19:57 cait :) 19:57 francharb sorry, I haven't answered you back 19:57 francharb on bugzilla 19:58 francharb hopefully, I'll find time soon 20:01 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #224: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/224/ 20:06 cait kidclamp_DND: maybe a security question? :) 20:34 Joubu @later tell tcohen I have installed Text::CSV::Unicode and xmllint on jenkins, do we have a doc where I can put that? 20:34 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 21:04 tcohen hi 21:07 * cait waves 21:07 tcohen hi cait 21:07 cait tcohen: I wanted to buy mantecol for my brother - but can't find it anywhere here or online :( 21:12 tcohen cait: oh noes! 21:13 cait it's very addictive :) 21:13 * cait blames bgkriegel 21:18 Joubu I know that from Greece, they call it halva, very good indeed :) 21:21 cait i didn't want to share wit him... now i feel even more guilty :) 21:49 cait hm some native speaker around? 21:58 * wizzyrea looks around tentatively 21:58 wizzyrea what ya need :) 21:59 wizzyrea cait^ 21:59 cait was wondering about a grammar question, but it's resolved :) 21:59 wizzyrea sorry I didn't see your message straight away 21:59 cait thx! 21:59 wizzyrea oh yay 22:05 reiveune bye 22:30 cait just commented on bug 18651 with some worrying test results. https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18651#c66 22:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18651 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Move of checkouts is still not correctly handled 22:30 huginn 04Bug 18651: blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Move of checkouts is still not correctly handled 22:30 cait woudl be happy if someone could check on master/verify in 16.11.x, whatever to make this move forward 22:31 cait might delay release of 16.11.10 - we really need those fixes asap 22:33 jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 22:33 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 22:33 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #225: FIXED in 1 hr 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/225/ 22:41 wizzyrea hmm 22:43 tcohen cait: I agree you should delay the release until that is fixed 22:44 tcohen I will try to test tomorrow, but have a big queue to take care of! 22:44 cait woudl be glad to have some help there 22:44 cait i think patches are in 17.05 too and master - but slightly different because of the changes to the API 22:46 pianohacker shalom 22:46 cait hey pianohacker 22:46 wahanui regexes are AWESOME 22:46 cait :) 22:46 cait are you back? 22:46 pianohacker hi cait! 22:46 cait i am still waiting for the waffle photo ;) 22:46 pianohacker working on contract with bag on bug 15522 22:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, ASSIGNED , New interface for revamped circulation rules 22:47 cait already got bored? :) 22:47 pianohacker well, that's a long story... but I did miss this crazy place 22:47 cait :) 22:47 cait we missed you too