Time Nick Message 06:24 reiveune hello 07:15 fridolin hie there 07:15 * fridolin feeding 17.05.x 07:16 fridolin my little baby is growing ;) 07:29 gaetan_B hello 09:50 koha hai 09:50 koha i need koha windows version 09:57 fridolin is it a joke =-O 09:57 fridolin wahanui: im i online ? 09:57 wahanui fridolin: bugger all, i dunno 11:18 marcelr hi #koha 11:31 kidclamp hi marcelr 11:31 marcelr o/ 13:28 tcohen morning 13:28 kidclamp morning tcohen 13:29 tcohen hi kidclamp 13:29 tcohen Joubu: I did some research and couldn't find a way to roll REST api tests data back 13:30 tcohen (using the provided tools in Test::Mojo) 13:30 Joubu tcohen: the least would be to create a END block to cleanup 13:31 tcohen yes 13:31 tcohen there are examples subclassing some Mojo libs and implementing a custom rollback method 13:31 tcohen which is basically the same 13:31 tcohen I wonder what people using Mojo are doing 13:57 rangi_ The following packages have unmet dependencies: koha-common : Depends: libconvert-basen-perl but it is not installable Depends: libmodule-bundled-files-perl but it is not installable Depends: libmojolicious-perl (>= 6.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libswagger2-perl (>= 0.59) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. 13:57 rangi_ any one know, how to remove this error @ koha installation time . 13:58 rangi_ hey 14:01 rangi_ Any one know about HOW TO REMOVE BELOW MENTIONED ERROR 14:01 rangi_ The following packages have unmet dependencies: koha-common : Depends: libconvert-basen-perl but it is not installable Depends: libmodule-bundled-files-perl but it is not installable Depends: libmojolicious-perl (>= 6.0) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libswagger2-perl (>= 0.59) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. 14:02 Joubu yes yes, we received it 14:02 Joubu on which system are you working on? 14:03 rangi_ Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 14:04 liw I tend to run "apt install foo" and see what errors it gives me 14:05 rangi_ @Joubu There is any issue with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS ? 14:05 huginn rangi_: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 14:06 Joubu I do not think so 14:08 Joubu try `sudo apt update;sudo apt-cache policy koha-common` 14:12 rangi_ koha-common: Installed: (none) Candidate: 16.05.14 Version table: 16.05.14 0 500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/ 16.05/main amd64 Packages 14:12 rangi_ i got this, as a result 14:14 eythian do you have any help packages? 14:14 eythian dpkg --get-selections | grep hold 14:14 eythian will tell you 14:14 eythian *held packages 14:15 rangi_ I got blank as a result now 14:15 eythian OK. 14:15 eythian try, as liw suggested, 'sudo apt install koha-common' 14:15 eythian it might give more info 14:16 liw apt is very clever about error messages, but sometimes assumes its user is as clever as the PhDs who wrote apt, which means us mortals are sometimes mystified 14:16 rangi_ it give me same above mentioned error 14:17 eythian hmm, perhaps try with aptitude instead, sometimes it can be smarter. 14:17 eythian it can also find broken packages and give you options to fix them 14:18 rangi_ Aptitude is also not working for me 14:18 eythian why? 14:18 rangi_ I dont know 14:18 rangi_ After running aptitude , it show none error . 14:19 eythian then...it worked? 14:19 eythian like, what did it do? 14:19 rangi_ but it does not install koha 14:19 rangi_ on my system\ 14:19 eythian what did it do? 14:21 rangi_ I dont know 14:21 eythian did it turn your computer off? 14:21 rangi_ no 14:21 eythian which would be weird, but otherwise you should be able to see something 14:23 rangi_ Now it shows me this error 14:23 rangi_ The following packages have unmet dependencies: libmojolicious-perl : Depends: libjs-prettify which is a virtual package. koha-common : Depends: libconvert-basen-perl which is a virtual package. Depends: libmodule-bundled-files-perl which is a virtual package. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Keep the following packages at their current version: 1) koha-common [Not Installed] 2) libjs 14:24 eythian put the whole thing into the pastebin 14:28 eythian I suspect the options that it's giving you that I can't see are what you want 14:28 tcohen isn't 14.04 based on wheeze? it might be incompatible 14:29 eythian that's possible 14:29 eythian it's not in the supported OS list: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 14:30 tcohen it is possible that Mojolicious version we ship isn't compatible 14:31 eythian it was removed from the list on the 6th of Dec. So it's probably that. 14:32 eythian https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian#Install_the_Database <-- also, someone needs to tidy this section. It's not very nice and is unclear. 20:01 reiveune bye 20:43 pianohacker shalom 20:45 TGoat WTH! pianohacker :) 20:46 pianohacker well hi TGoat :) 20:46 edveal hey you two! 20:46 pianohacker hi edveal! 20:46 TGoat howdy sir! edveal no way! :) 20:47 edveal old home week. LOL 20:47 TGoat Right on :D 20:47 edveal And JoshB runs away! 20:47 TGoat heh 20:50 pianohacker I hope people show up... I have exciting things to discuss 20:52 TGoat show up pianohacker ? 20:52 pianohacker to the dev meeting in 8 minutes :) 20:53 TGoat ahhh 20:53 TGoat I'll put that in the BWS channel 20:54 edveal I will lurk since I am not doing much any more. But would love to get plugged in somewhare. I need to go back to bug testing. 20:56 Joubu pianohacker: Hi! :) Good to see you here 20:57 Joubu pianohacker: could you add your topic to the agenda please? 20:57 Joubu pianohacker: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_12_July_2017 20:57 Joubu you did! 20:57 pianohacker hi Joubu! already did under general development discussion 20:57 pianohacker jinx 21:00 Joubu #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 12 July 2017 21:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Jul 12 21:00:08 2017 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_12_july_2017' 21:00 Joubu #topic Introductions 21:00 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 21:00 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 21:00 pianohacker #info Jesse Weaver 21:02 Joubu exciting 21:02 pianohacker no kidding 21:02 Joubu rangi, bag, barton: around? 21:02 TGoat I'll try to get them 21:03 barton Joubu: Just barely -- I need to prep for a talk at my Linux User Group meeting tonight. 21:03 TGoat I let them knoiw they're being requested to the #Koha channel 21:03 Joubu #topic Announcements 21:03 barton but I'll hang out while prepping :-) 21:03 Joubu #info I am going to share the result of the poll beginning of next week. 21:04 Joubu #info Next "what's on in koha-devel" email should be ready soon 21:04 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 21:04 Joubu I will certainly complain a lot, no need to complain here... 21:04 caboose-afk #info Michael Cabus, Princeton, NJ 21:04 Joubu Not a lot of attendees and I guess nobody read the IRC log (if you do, send me an email :)) 21:04 Joubu anyone else? 21:05 Joubu #topic Update from the Release Manager (17.11) 21:05 Joubu #info Few refactoring patches have been pushed this week. It highlighted a problem with item type, I sent an email to koha-devel to get feedback 21:05 Joubu #info I also sent an email today about the MySQL AI behaviours that caused us lot of trouble. Review and test the procedures on the wiki page please. There is also a patch on the bug report for the alert message on the about page (bug 18931) 21:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18931 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add a "data corrupted" section on the about page 21:06 Joubu skipping updates from Rmains and QAers... 21:06 Joubu #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 21:06 Joubu pianohacker: your turn to monologue 21:07 pianohacker all right 21:07 pianohacker I've been starting work on reviving bug 15522 21:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, ASSIGNED , New interface for revamped circulation rules 21:08 caboose-afk nice I've been wanting that 21:08 pianohacker As part of that, I would very much like to use React, but there have issues with pulling React into our frontend; I have an idea that might help with some of them 21:08 pianohacker #link https://github.com/pianohacker/koha/commit/d8fea298d6615da95f2be908cae202379f11940a 21:08 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS 21:08 pianohacker the above is a very very minimal proof of concept 21:09 caboose-afk nice 21:09 pianohacker but the basic idea is a) to use prebundled versions of React, so we don't need to add a JS package manager 21:09 pianohacker and b) to show React code without ES6 or JSX 21:09 pianohacker the commit above directly brings in prebundled packages from unpkg.com, but these could easily be added to the Koha source tree instead 21:10 Joubu #info pianohacker is working on reviving bug 15522 (revamp circ rules) 21:10 pianohacker I would very much like feedback on the above; I think it's a low-friction, minimal-change way to bring in a nicer UI framework 21:10 caboose-afk I'd be on board for feedback 21:11 thd Will there be a graceful fallback for noscript? 21:11 pianohacker excellent :) 21:11 Joubu pianohacker: personnaly I am more wondering "what" instead of "how". The mockup image you put on the wiki is no longer available 21:11 Joubu and IIRC there were concerns about the UI 21:12 pianohacker thd: this interface would strongly depend on JS, but the old interface could perhaps be preserved? 21:12 Joubu before starting the tt part it would be great to show people (to get feedback and ideas) what you are doing 21:12 caboose-afk I've been rethinking that interface..if that UI doc is gone I can get together what I was thinking 21:12 Joubu that will be a good way to interest them and so find testers easily (maybe...) 21:13 pianohacker Joubu: oh, absolutely; that needs some work, though, and I want to figure out this piece as well 21:13 Joubu the staff interface does not work without JS, it's completely out of the discussion here 21:13 pianohacker I'll be posting an updated wireframe soon for feedback 21:13 caboose-afk nice 21:14 pianohacker long story short; the UI needs to be discussed, but for now I would like to know if this is a viable way to bring in React. Not much of a quorum here; do we send this to the mailing list? 21:14 Joubu pianohacker: I think we (core team) more or less agreed on React at the last KohaCon in Marseille, so I do not think it will be an issue 21:15 Joubu prove us and show us how nice it is, and I am sure we will follow you ;) 21:15 pianohacker okay, cool :) will do 21:15 wizzyrea pianohacker! 21:15 wahanui regexes are AWESOME 21:15 Joubu keep in mind 1. release early and 2. small steps :) 21:15 pianohacker I was also curious about bug 15395, but that can wait until later 21:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow correct handling of plural translation 21:15 pianohacker hi wizzyrea :) 21:16 wizzyrea sorry I see you and I get excited :) 21:16 Joubu I would send an email to the general list with the mockup and more generally with what you have in mind (ergonomic) 21:16 Joubu and 1 the koha-devel with the commits and testable code 21:16 Joubu to* 21:17 Joubu pianohacker: what is the questions about 15395? 21:18 pianohacker I'll probably just put together a super-bare-bones React version, so both the general UI and the underlying code can be examined 21:18 pianohacker Joubu: whether it's likely to move forward, and anything that can be done to help it along 21:19 Joubu you can let a note and/or ask the QA team to take a look 21:19 pianohacker kk will do 21:20 pianohacker that's all from me 21:20 Joubu thanks 21:20 Joubu anybody else? 21:20 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting 21:21 Joubu #info Next meeting: July 26, 14 UTC 21:21 Joubu #endmeeting 21:21 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jul 12 21:21:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 21:21 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_12_july_2017.2017-07-12-21.00.html 21:21 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_12_july_2017.2017-07-12-21.00.txt 21:21 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017/development_irc_meeting_12_july_2017.2017-07-12-21.00.log.html 21:21 pianohacker thanks for chairing, Joubu 21:35 pianohacker ttfn 22:26 mtompset Shoot. I missed the meeting, didn't I? 22:27 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 22:28 wizzyrea hi mtompset 22:29 mtompset Greetings, wizzyrea 22:30 mtompset Silly me wanted to bring up patches related to remote DBs. 22:30 mtompset DOH! 22:30 mtompset Missed my chance. :( 22:35 mtompset Interesting perspective in this article: http://knowledgequest.aasl.org/confessions-librarian-everything-wrong/ 22:57 supermini cool url http://fej2mxjpdn4aqm5l.onion/closable-retrain 23:02 wizzyrea I saw that "doing everything wrong" article the other day 23:02 wizzyrea my instinct was "if you are serving your population, you are doing it very right"