Time  Nick        Message
04:30 mveron      Good morning / daytime #koha
04:30 wizzyrea    oh my gosh is it that time already !
04:35 mveron      6:34 in the morning here...
04:35 wizzyrea    16:35 here :)
04:35 mveron      tea time?
04:35 wizzyrea    not quite, but nearly
04:36 mveron      coffee time here...
04:38 mveron      wizzyrea: Did you see my bug 18515 ?  Would be somthing for tea time...  :-)
04:38 huginn_     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18515 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use news based help system for OPAC
04:39 mveron      No, I mean bug 18483
04:39 huginn_     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18483 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Customised help: Enhance staff client with news based, easily editable help system
04:39 wizzyrea    I like the idea of that
04:40 wizzyrea    me personally I'd ditch the file based one entirely
04:40 wizzyrea    that bird has flown
04:42 wizzyrea    if I get a chance, I'll have a look at that :)
04:42 mveron      Great!
04:42 mveron      The file based can be turned off by system preference, btw
04:43 wizzyrea    yeah I saw that, I just don't see the point of keeping it really
04:43 wizzyrea    but that's ok :)
04:44 wizzyrea    that is, it's ok to keep it
04:44 wizzyrea    I just think it was always kinda a badly implemented thing and really we ought to get rid of it is all
04:45 mveron      Agreed.. Maybe the file based can be dropped later...
04:56 mveron      ...but we could keep the help files because they are translated - and then use them for Bug 18516
04:56 huginn_     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add possibility to import text from file based help system as news based help system item
06:25 mveron      Coffee time again...
08:43 marcelr     hi #koha
08:49 eythian     hi marcelr
08:50 marcelr     morge
08:56 * andreashm waves
08:57 andreashm   marcelr: what's the status of bug 12063? Waiting for more fixes from Alex or is it set for another round of QA?
08:57 huginn_     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12063 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Signed Off , Change date calculation for reserve expiration to skip all holidays
08:58 marcelr     andreashm: i will look at it this week; but this was until now quite an iterating experience..
08:58 andreashm   =)
08:58 andreashm   would be great if you can look at it!
09:02 * andreashm is hoping it will find it's way into master soon. Every holidy we have problems with books waiting on the holds shelves.
09:03 andreashm   *fingers crossed*
09:18 eythian     marcelr: put your 'n's back on words. It's untidy just dropping them all over the place.
09:20 * magnuse   thinks marcelr meant Norge
09:34 marcelr     eythian: it is a shame
09:34 marcelr     hi magnuse
09:34 wahanui     kamelåså
09:34 magnuse     \o/
09:34 * magnuse   is not really here
09:49 magnuse     cait is probably not really here either?
09:49 cait        still waking up
09:50 cait        it's a holiday here today :)
09:51 eythian     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_5yEt3WzGo#t=2m20s <-- cait, are you out visiting gleisschotterbettungsreinigungsmaschinen perhaps?
09:51 cait        ah not today
09:52 magnuse     holiday here too, trying to get a little bit done on the ill though
09:54 cait        :)
09:54 cait        what are you working on?
09:55 magnuse     CancelRequestItem
09:55 cait        ILL?
09:55 wahanui     well, ILL is Inter-Library Loan
09:55 eythian     http://www.volkskrant.nl/kijkverder/images/zoomtool/cijfers2904.jpg <-- handy holiday calendar thing (except bevrijdingsdag is a holiday here once every 5 years for some bizzarroland reason.)
10:02 magnuse     every 5 years?!?
10:03 marcelr     bizzarroland? ik blijf leruh
10:03 magnuse     cait: yeah, ILL (NCIP)
10:04 * cait      now knows everything about Gleisbettungsreinigungsmaschinen
10:19 magnuse     but what about Gleis*schotter*bettungsreinigungsmaschinen?
10:33 cait        i watced the video robin shared :)
10:34 cait        they clean the stones under the rails with a really long train
10:35 * eythian   does not play scrabble in German
10:40 eythian     https://www.troyhunt.com/reckon-youve-seen-some-stupid-security-things-here-hold-my-beer/ <-- everything is terrible
10:50 eythian     https://vrouw.nl/artikel/opgebiecht/43445/ik-laat-mijn-huurders-in-de-waan-dat-we-nog-koninginnedag-vieren-op-30 <-- marcelr
10:58 marcelr     those poor tourists walking thru the city in orange on 30th
10:59 eythian     marcelr: yeah, apparently there were a few vergistoeristen floating around.
10:59 marcelr     new word: vergistoerist !
11:00 eythian     It'll be in VanDale next edition, I'm sure.
11:00 marcelr     vergistoerismeindustrieterrein
11:01 eythian     that's when you have tourists accidentally cleaning the stones under the rails, right?
11:01 marcelr     these are certainly vergistoeristen
11:32 eythian     @later tell drojf good support for your letsencrypt work: https://security.googleblog.com/2017/04/next-steps-toward-more-connection.html
11:32 huginn_     eythian: The operation succeeded.
12:06 * kidclamp  waves
12:06 marcelr     hi kidclamp
12:07 kidclamp    hi marcelr
12:07 marcelr     kidclamp: i adjusted the guidelines for the approved two perl rules
12:07 kidclamp    thanks! and thanks for adding to agenda
12:07 marcelr     and added a simple example for exceptions
12:08 marcelr     hope to be there again at 13utc at least
12:10 kidclamp    that's why we have two :-)
12:13 * oleonard  isn't really here
12:14 eythian     HI THERE OLEOPARD
12:14 * marcelr   is not really waving to oleonard
12:15 marcelr     oleopard++
12:16 oleonard    Think of me as I sit for the next 8 hours in meetings.
12:39 cait        hm... looks like i was disconnected.. huh
12:39 marcelr     hi cait
12:39 cait        hi marcelr
12:43 cait        hm
12:43 cait        (leave blank for auto calc during registration):
12:43 cait        for cardnumber
12:43 cait        but then i can't save without entering one?
12:43 cait        #fail
12:48 eythian     cait: aren't you on holiday?
12:48 cait        yes?
12:49 eythian     I feel like you're doing a bad job of being on holiday.
12:49 cait        by having some fun with Koha sign offs for the first time in ages? don't tihnk so :)
13:05 mveron-away Hi again #koha
13:06 marcelr     hi mveron-away
13:07 mveron      Daag marcelr
15:03 mveron      Hmm, link to current manual does not display images, e.g. for  http://manual.koha-community.org/current/en/administration.html#globalsysprefs
15:03 mveron      Is that a known issue?
15:27 cait        mveron: hm think it might, the manual needs some work
15:27 cait        you could leave rangi a message  maybe?
15:28 mveron      Will do. I'm working on bug 18516 and was considering a link to current help.
15:28 huginn_     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add possibility to import text from file based help system as news based help system item
15:29 mveron      current manual...
15:29 mveron      based on bug 18483
15:29 huginn_     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18483 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Customised help: Enhance staff client with news based, easily editable help system
17:44 mveron      rangi: around?
17:45 mveron      @ later tell rangi Link to current manual does not display images, e.g. for  http://manual.koha-community.org/current/en/administration.html#globalsysprefs  - Is that a known issue?
17:45 huginn_     mveron: The operation succeeded.
18:46 tmcmahon    Has anyone else noticed problems with hotkeys on the intranet inteface?  Specifically on /cgi-bin/koha/circ/returns.pl
18:47 tmcmahon    Alt-Q goes to the Renew tab and should go to Search the catalog.  Alt-W goes ththe Search the catalog tab and it should go to Renew.
18:48 tmcmahon    Koha version 16.11.06.000 on Debian 8.  Package install.
18:50 tmcmahon    Tried clearing browser cache, chrl-alt-R, private browser window, two test installs and the demo on the Bywater site.  All the same.
18:51 kidclamp    hmm..well hitting ctrl+q and closing all browser windows doesn't help test that
18:52 kidclamp    works for me in 16.11 - not sure what could be wrong tmcmahon - anything in your intranetuserjs touching those tabs?
18:56 tmcmahon    I have one for alt-c to get back to the Koha start page and make sure patron info isn't sitting on the screen.
18:56 tmcmahon    Did you test it on the return page?  I haven't noticed the problem anywhere else yet.
19:14 kidclamp    oh, you are right, my apologies, I was on the mainpage
19:14 kidclamp    it works as you describe, you could file a bug
19:24 tmcmahon    Thanks kidclamp.  I just wanted to make sure I'm not the only one before I file a bug.  It's bug 18521.
19:24 huginn_     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18521 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Renew and search hotkeys are swapped on returns page.
19:35 barton      hey, does anyone have a workaround for the fact that keyword search treats "not" as a logical operator? Searching for the title "All the light we cannot see" returns correct results, but "All the light we can not see" returns a keyword search containing "All the light we can" which excludes "see".
19:40 cait        no
19:40 cait        but there is a bug for it somewhere, an old one
19:41 cait        barton: the queryparser was supposed to fix that, but is not usable right now
19:42 barton      that makes sense, cait.
19:42 cait        it replaced it by && || i think
19:42 cait        not sure what was not
19:43 cait        maybe worth checking if it works better iwth elastic
19:46 barton      elastic is a good idea ... if nothing else, I think we could probably accomodate it using quoting in elastic...
19:47 barton      "All the light we can not see" vs "All the light we can" NOT "see"
19:47 cait        using not or and is problematic
19:47 cait        also in terms of i18n
19:47 cait        it's not self explanatory at all
19:48 cait        i'd prefer if we'd find another way of expressing it
19:49 barton      I agree, cait.
19:54 oleonard    Meeting report: Learned out to use a fire extinguisher.
19:54 * oleonard  over and out
19:56 cait        :)
20:22 mveron      Good night / daytime everybody  :-)
20:24 barton      @seen ashimema
20:24 huginn_     barton: ashimema was last seen in #koha 2 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <ashimema> blimey.. that clubs one is HUGE
20:37 tcohen      hi
20:39 cait        hi tcohen :)
20:39 tcohen      happy (?) labours day
20:40 cait        toyou too
21:28 rangi       @later tell mveron I have no access to that server, https://koha-community.org/manual/16.11/html/ https://koha-community.org/manual/17.05/html/ and https://koha-community.org/manual/installation/html/ are the ones I work on
21:28 huginn_     rangi: The operation succeeded.
21:44 tcohen      rangi: is it about the translation server?
21:46 rangi       manual.koha-community.org
21:46 rangi       i think we probably should retire it, and just leave the manuals living on the main koha site
21:49 wizzyrea    that will cause quite a bit of link rot :(
21:49 wizzyrea    a redirect would be nice
21:50 wizzyrea    gah the sphinx ones are so much nicer.
21:50 tcohen      we should handle it in wordpress, yes
21:50 cait        ?
21:51 tcohen      the manual page
21:51 wizzyrea    oh, it's not really "in" wordpress
21:51 wizzyrea    kinda off to the side. :)
21:51 tcohen      and the translated manuals should be published in the main site too
21:51 tcohen      what I mean is that manual.koha-community.org doesn't make much sense
21:52 wizzyrea    naw it doesn't