Time Nick Message 23:24 dcook It was -40 and -50 recently in SK 23:23 dcook Oh that's not too bad.. 23:23 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Regina, Saskatchewan is -8.0°C (5:00 PM CST on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 23:23 dcook @wunder yqr 23:23 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Burkeville, Richmond, British Columbia is 4.6°C (3:23 PM PST on January 16, 2017). Conditions: . Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 23:23 dcook @wunder yvr 23:23 dcook Mmm nah I'm all right 23:20 eythian Except it's definitely below 0 23:20 eythian I don't know what to believe 23:20 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 1.0°C (12:09 AM CET on January 17, 2017). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.55 in 1034 hPa (Rising). 23:20 eythian @wunder Jordaan, Amsterdam 23:19 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Hogedijk, Schiphol-Rijk, Netherlands is -0.6°C (12:16 AM CET on January 17, 2017). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.55 in 1034 hPa (Rising). 23:19 eythian @wunder Amsterdam, nl 23:19 eythian dcook: wanna swap 22:48 Francesca and probably a few other days as well 22:48 Francesca I'll be in tomorrow 22:48 Francesca yup 22:47 aleisha hi Francesca, are you around this week? 22:31 dcook magnuse: If you're still around, I think we're supposed to get up to 38 today 22:31 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, Australia is 27.0°C (9:00 AM AEDT on January 17, 2017). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 22:31 dcook @wunder syd 22:29 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Signing_off_2 22:21 cait go academy students go! 22:21 cait :) 22:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Failed QA , Updated Koha web installer and new onboarding tool feature to guide users through setting up Koha 22:18 cait bug 17855 21:59 rangi git-bz apply 17855 21:42 wizzyrea 120kph forecasted for later this week so ya 21:39 irma keep warm magnuse, eythian, cait! 21:38 eythian magnuse: 80kph is a light breeze 21:38 magnuse have fun #koha! 21:38 magnuse oh well, better catch some beautysleep... 21:37 cait eythian: it's cold and kinda everywhere 21:37 magnuse just go from there to europe ;-) 21:37 cait eythian: we got tons of the white stuff now 21:36 rangi not sure I can swing it, im in india in Feb 21:35 magnuse how about marseille in march? ;-) 21:35 magnuse kia ora rangi! 21:34 magnuse time to bring *everything* indoors 21:34 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2015/10/25/kohacon15-nigeria-round-up-you-should-have-been-here/ 21:34 magnuse we are expecting "Strong gale, 22 m/s " on wednesday evening 21:34 magnuse hehe 21:33 eythian Tropical! 21:33 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (10:20 PM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 21:33 magnuse @wunder enbo 21:33 eythian Chilly 21:33 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is -4.0°C (10:25 PM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). 21:33 eythian @wunder Amsterdam, nl 21:33 eythian Nice :) 21:32 magnuse that harbour in the picture? i can see it from my (home) office 21:32 magnuse eythian: of course! ;-) 21:31 eythian http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/norway-will-start-shutting-down-its-fm-radio-tomorrow <-- magnuse, your town is famous! 21:30 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2015/01/21/catalyst-academy-2015/ 21:29 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2016/01/25/catalyst-open-source-academy-2016-koha-group/ 21:28 rangi https://i1.wp.com/blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/d6492692-38d2-4456-8a93-6be32d7a14c22.png 21:19 karen_ https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Catalyst_Academy#Day_1 21:13 rangi https://www.openhub.net/accounts/ranginui 21:10 rangi https://www.openhub.net/p/koha 21:07 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/ 21:05 rangi https://koha-community.org/ 21:01 wahanui https://jenkins.koha-community.org/ is jenkins.theke.io 21:01 rangi https://jenkins.koha-community.org/ 20:56 cait lots of snow today 20:56 huginn cait: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is -2.1°C (9:05 PM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 20:56 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:56 huginn cait: The current temperature in Te Aro, Mt Cook, New Zealand is 20.6°C (9:47 AM NZDT on January 17, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 20:56 cait @wunder Wellington, NZ 20:56 cait oops 20:56 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 20:56 cait @wunder Wellington 20:56 rangi http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ 20:54 wahanui http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise 20:54 rangi http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 20:46 irma nice one cait :-) 20:45 wizzyrea hehe 20:45 * cait waves again to make sure everyone got one 20:45 irma wizzyrea pls turn to your left and wave? 20:44 * cait waves back at irma ) 20:44 irma and waves to me? 20:44 * wizzyrea waves from level 7 20:44 wizzyrea hi jcamins 20:44 * jcamins waves to Germany and Australia, too. 20:43 irma hi jcamins ;-) 20:43 * jcamins waves 14k+ km to the Catalyst Academy. 20:43 irma karen hi, where are you located? 20:42 irma and waves 2,200+ km towards Wellington 20:42 irma Irma waves 16,000+ km towards Germany 20:41 irma good morning everyone 20:40 * cait waves all the way from Germany heh 20:36 wizzyrea hi 20:33 karen_ hello 20:19 rangi https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ 20:18 aleisha will do alexbuckley :) 20:15 alexbuckley rangi and aleisha let me know if the setup is faster than expected and I will come down 20:12 alexbuckley Thanks Yes I have implemented the changes from comments 70 and 71 which I will push up shortly 20:12 wizzyrea me too it's wicked 20:11 mtompset I really do hope this onboarding tools gets pushed through. 20:06 aleisha https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads 20:02 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Catalyst_Academy#Day_1 20:02 aleisha and me 20:02 rangi so this is me 19:59 tcohen bye everyone 19:54 tcohen the fact that userenv makes our tests fail should worry 19:49 mtompset if we put the hacky way in, bad code can creep in. 19:49 mtompset and have obsoleted the hacky way. 19:49 mtompset right which is why I'm going to fix it the long way. 19:48 tcohen but this failures are saying something too 19:48 tcohen mtompset: I'm not saying you need to refactor all the failing test files, and I can accept fixing the userenv 19:44 mtompset fine fine... holds fix coming up. 19:27 tcohen yeah, but there's this thing called 'improve' too 19:26 mtompset But we've used the hacky way elsewhere. ;) 19:23 tcohen but don't go the hacky way on fixing this 19:22 tcohen i don't follow you 19:20 mtompset don't we have a public function for that somewhere? 19:19 mtompset I went with the my $user_branch = ... then use $user_branch. 19:19 mtompset Ah, because the issue is context->useenv is undef. 19:18 tcohen IssueSlip got fixed by using TestBuilder instead of the incomplete AddMember 19:18 tcohen from the tests POV, they are creating incomplete patrons 19:17 tcohen but haven't had the time to fix it 19:17 tcohen mtompset: i've checked it is 6782's fault 19:15 mtompset tcohen rangi? 19:15 mtompset I have a patch that works. 19:14 mtompset So, is someone fixing the member 502 issue? 19:05 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #91: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/91/ 18:53 LibraryClaire hi mtompset 18:53 mtompset Evening, LibraryClaire 18:52 LibraryClaire evenin #koha 18:52 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 18:52 rangi @later tell joubu done 18:50 mtompset "Change already done" would have been better and less suspicious, magnuse. :) 18:47 rangi Joubu: ahh the new bit we just added? yeah ill turn those off 18:47 kchris Actually, I have implemented this in jquery 18:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8835 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two indexes on biblioitems.issn 18:47 magnuse "Upgrade to 16.06.00.050 done (Bug 8835). Everything is fine." that is some promise to make! ;-) 18:46 kchris I am thinking of a consortium situation. 18:46 mtompset magnuse: I know that situation! 18:46 kchris and handle suggestions elsewhere. 18:46 magnuse because the main library does not trust the branches ;-) 18:46 kchris Well...some libraries want to turn off the purchase suggestion feature. 18:46 mtompset Why only some of them? 18:45 mtompset Why can't other branches make suggestions? 18:45 mtompset But the question I have is... 18:45 mtompset But you'll need to tweak the table to have a field for it. A tiny int (1) can_suggest in branches. 18:44 kchris Okay...I'll look at this. 18:44 mtompset At http://staff client URL/cgi-bin/koha/admin/branches.pl?op=add_form&branchcode={the code being tweaked} 18:43 kchris if not as a system preference? 18:43 kchris Where would the "allowed to make suggestions?" field be populated? 18:42 mtompset A checkbox has no typos. :) 18:42 kchris You're right. 18:42 mtompset That opens up possibility of typos. 18:41 kchris Okay... 18:41 mtompset It requires data entry of codes. 18:41 mtompset A system preference is not the way to do it. 18:39 kchris and compare that value to the values in the list from the system preference. 18:39 kchris Branches.getLoggedInBranchcode 18:39 kchris Okay. I was planning on using the Branches plugin. 18:38 mtompset Then tweak the Branches plugin with a new filtered list function. 18:38 mtompset Add a "Allowed to make suggestions?" field? 18:37 mtompset Why not tweak the branches table? 18:37 mtompset I'm not sure this is the way to implement it. 18:37 mtompset Okay, functionality idea good. 18:37 kchris I am trying to see if the user branchcode matches the one in the list on the system preference. 18:37 mtompset Mmm..... 18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12219 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Purchase Suggestions branch level permissions 18:36 kchris I am working on bug 12219... 18:35 mtompset Because there is a Branches plugin already. 18:35 mtompset Now that said... what are you trying to do? 18:34 kchris agreed. me too. 18:34 mtompset Because caching while testing makes me cranky when it is clearly supposed to work and it doesn't. :) 18:33 kchris okay..thank you! 18:32 mtompset Frankly, I shut off my VM completely and close my browser completely, so there is absolutely no way caching can be blamed. It's slower, but it eliminates the whole "it might be cached" problem. 18:30 kchris In addition to restarting plack, is there anything else I should restart? 18:29 kchris You're right. 18:29 kchris Oh...I see. 18:29 mtompset Not the whole thing. 18:29 mtompset No no... the Koha.Preference('SuggestionLibraryList') might not be defined. 18:28 kchris mtompset:There's an else statement that follows that handles the situation where it isn't defined. 18:27 mtompset kchris: Also, you probably are running under plack and that is a caching nightmare. Close and Restart Everything! -- Sorry, I don't know how to do it nicely. :) 18:26 mtompset kchris: Koha.Preference('SuggestionLibraryList').split('|') --- multiple effects on the same line while concise don't help the adding of debugging code. What if the system preference isn't defined? 18:20 drojf eythian: might taste bad, but i kind of want a bottle now 18:19 pastebot "kchris" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "retrieve a system preference in Koha" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/263 18:17 kchris But I don't template doesn't show that the list is defined. 18:17 kchris withint a template 18:17 kchris I created a system preference that and am trying to return a list of branchcodes from the preference 18:16 kchris Are there any handy tools for debugging template data? 18:00 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 18:00 eythian @later tell drojf http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/berlins-secret-cold-warera-vineyard 17:45 Mauro_BR ho ok... i was getting worry... jeje thanks 17:44 LibraryClaire Mauro_BR: the naming was changed to reflect the year/month it is released 17:44 tcohen we just made the number jump 17:43 tcohen it is the same version 17:43 Mauro_BR i have a question, why exists 2 different versions of koha? like 3.xx and 16.xx??? 17:42 Mauro_BR Hello everyone 17:22 Robert all optional data 17:22 kivilahtio going home 17:22 kivilahtio take care Koha-channel 17:22 Robert that too 17:20 kivilahtio to get Koha to work at all 17:20 kivilahtio otherwise you need to do some very complicated configurations 17:20 kivilahtio test and evaluate 17:20 kivilahtio Robert: You should install all optional data when doing the web-installer because Koha works much better that way and it is much easier to test it 17:20 kivilahtio Robert: when you did the web-installer? Did you install all optional data? 17:19 kivilahtio Robert, did you install the default marc frameworks? 17:12 Robert on cataloging 17:11 Robert i created a new record 17:11 Robert i didnt import 17:11 kivilahtio Robert: are you importing data using the bulkMarcImport.pl -script in misc/migration_tools/ ? 17:10 kivilahtio Robert: biblioitems-table 17:10 kivilahtio Robert: check the biblio-table 17:10 Robert it shows it empty 17:10 Robert the problem is when shows title 17:05 kivilahtio Joubu: thanks for the tip. 17:03 Joubu we had the discussion on koha-devel before removing it 16:56 * mtompset coughs, "wantarray" 16:56 mtompset Sadly, I've seen some code creeping in which makes anything other than Debian harder and harder. 16:55 mtompset Plus, you would hope that the install instructions would be able to be the same across *nix versions. 16:54 mtompset and the wiki can stay current more easily. 16:54 mtompset I know. But install instructions are available on the wiki. 16:53 kivilahtio mtompset: I was sad to find out our favourite dev-install instructions no longer existed in the INSTALL.ubuntu 16:52 mtompset (there are lots of bad/outdated instructions floating around on the internet) 16:51 mtompset And how was it install is more of a question about... what set of instructions did you follow to install it? 16:51 mtompset Yes, all good suggestions above. 16:50 mtompset Patrons can be imported last time I checked, so I was asking if you entered the record yourself, or if you imported it. 16:48 kivilahtio Robert: I would imagine your data migrating scripts leave some of them empty 16:45 kivilahtio and see if they have NULL-columns 16:45 kivilahtio and see if they have NULL-comuns 16:45 kivilahtio Robert: if you can see the barcode of the Items checked out, you can find them from the items-table 16:44 kivilahtio Robert: you might want to investigate your database, mainly koha.items-table, if some of the items on loan have NULL columns? 16:41 Joubu Robert: ^ 16:41 Joubu 3.22.14? 16:40 Joubu on which screen do you see "NULL"? if it's in a table, which column? 16:40 Joubu how did you create it? 16:34 Robert How was the patron record generated? (I don't understand what you're asking) 16:33 Robert it was installed on a VM 16:33 Robert 3.22 16:32 mtompset Version? How was installed? How was the patron record generated? 16:31 Robert it shows "NULL" on some records 16:31 Robert and i want see its currents checkouts 16:31 Robert when I look for a patron 16:31 Robert i need to fix something 16:31 Robert i have a problem 16:31 Robert Hello everyone 16:30 * mtompset cringes at the evil magic discussed. 16:29 kivilahtio but it is possible in perl as well. You can inject new subroutines, or overload existing onew in running perl script 16:29 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 41 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <cait> bye all 16:29 mtompset @seen cait 16:29 kivilahtio it is pretty crazy to see the program act differently in real time 16:29 kivilahtio eythian: there was a youtube video about a javascript sine wave being drawn to the canvas, and the guy modified the sine wave in real time without breaks or gaps using code hot reload from Sublime in Chrome 16:25 kivilahtio :) 16:24 eythian Wash your mouth out 16:24 kivilahtio tcohen: maybe in a couple of years, Koha is all about javascript :) 16:24 kivilahtio tcohen: Subllime has some great javascript debugging tools 16:24 Robert it shows "NULL" on some records 16:24 tcohen kivilahtio: right now I use Sublime 16:23 Robert and i want see his currents checkouts 16:23 kivilahtio but no idea what to use for whatever IDE you use 16:23 kivilahtio tcohen: http://code.activestate.com/komodo/remotedebugging/ 16:23 kivilahtio tcohen: here is the remote debugger 16:22 Robert when I look for a patron 16:22 kivilahtio tcohen: no problem 16:22 tcohen thanks kivilahtio 16:22 reiveune bye 16:21 Robert i need to fix something 16:21 kivilahtio but have some security kinks that need solving first 16:21 kivilahtio Zabbix 16:21 kivilahtio Zabbis 16:21 Robert i have a problem 16:21 kivilahtio tcohen: I am planning to release our Ansible-scripts to GitHub. They ccreate our production environment completely. With all the CI and Elastic and stuff :) 16:21 Robert Hello everyone 16:20 LibraryClaire laters #koha 16:20 kivilahtio or you can just as well debug in the typical perl debugger from the terminal 16:20 kivilahtio tcohen: that is pretty much it 16:20 kivilahtio helpful to write $DB::single=1 to the perl CGI-script you want to debug 16:19 kivilahtio but you need to DL the Activestate remote debugger from their website 16:19 kivilahtio the starman-server initiates a remote debugging session 16:19 kivilahtio before the koha-plack-daemon service 16:19 kivilahtio . /home/tcohen/prepare_remote_debugger.sh 16:19 kivilahtio If you run 16:18 kivilahtio bash -x /etc/init.d/koha-plack-daemon start debug debugger development 16:18 kivilahtio there is the koha-plack-daemon which starts a debugging session with this invocation 16:17 kivilahtio tcohen: http://pastebin.com/rXkUZRJi 16:15 kivilahtio but that sounds like too much work 16:14 kivilahtio so instead of confiuring all the remote debugging hassle, you could just debug via a ad-hoc web-server 16:14 kivilahtio I had a fancy idea I could write my own Perl debugger which listens on a HTTP-port. Then it would communicate with the debugged perl session using Websockets :) or something 16:13 kivilahtio ashimema: I am pretty sure it is doable 16:13 ashimema I think @atheia also has it working in emacs 16:12 ashimema yup 16:11 tcohen yes, there are 16:11 kivilahtio ashimema: I think there are instruction on how to do that in the Koha-community wiki? 16:11 kivilahtio ashimema: ok 16:11 ashimema works in vim kivi 16:10 kivilahtio tcohen: it is no different than injecting a debugging session into any perl program 16:10 kivilahtio tcohen: but you need a DBGP-compatible debugger, such as Komodo IDE 16:10 kivilahtio tcohen: already got it working on pretty much anything Perl-related :) 16:10 tcohen please help me integrate it into the devbox 16:10 tcohen kivilahtio: remote debugger with plack is welcome 16:09 tcohen ahh 16:09 tcohen on either technology 16:09 kivilahtio tcohen: + remote debugger to the dev tools 16:09 tcohen I have no strong preference 16:09 kivilahtio tcohen: I was actually hoping I could add lxc-ansible-scripts there 16:09 tcohen because that's what I was thinking of 16:09 kivilahtio tcohen: yes, I stole the best parts in it :) 16:09 tcohen kivilahtio: did you look at ansible-container? 16:09 kivilahtio docker ecosystem is great 16:08 kivilahtio but they are both practicalyl the same 16:08 tcohen we could use that knowledge and fridolin's to do it with LXC 16:08 kivilahtio using docker presents a new language of confiuration parameters which can be just as well be done with LXC on a more granular level 16:08 kivilahtio I prefer to stick to LXC since our whole team understands LXC pretty well 16:07 kivilahtio a bit like docker does 16:07 kivilahtio tcohen: or actualyl clone them when needed 16:07 kivilahtio tcohen: provision LXC containers on the fly using Ansible 16:07 kivilahtio tcohen: we use LXC 16:07 tcohen that's the plan, until there's a better idea 16:06 tcohen my goal is to run the tests inside docker containers created out of our kohadevbox playbook, and distributed/stored on the docker hub, or our own's 16:05 tcohen kivilahtio: i'm all ears regarding the CI infrastructure 16:05 kivilahtio tcohen: thanks for the chat! 16:04 tcohen he, you are right 16:03 kivilahtio tcohen: which seems to be the problem with Clover? 16:03 tcohen I don't 16:03 kivilahtio tcohen: how do you solve stale plugins? 16:03 kivilahtio tcohen: Looks like I alreaady started since I had configured the Smolder infrastructure LXC-container 16:03 tcohen kivilahtio: configuring jenkins has nothing to do with Java knowledge 16:03 kivilahtio tcohen: I think I hack something with Smolder 16:03 kivilahtio tcohen: hence I would prefere a pureperl solution 16:02 kivilahtio tcohen: because I get depressed by the JAva-world. I don't know why. Just thinking about how to configure Jenkins and not really understanding any of it makes me sad already 16:02 kivilahtio tcohen: http://search.cpan.org/~wonko/Smolder-1.51/lib/Smolder/Manual.pm#Buildbot 16:02 tcohen if you have a working solution I can take a look, I'm open to any suggestions 16:02 kivilahtio all pureperl and Ansible 16:01 kivilahtio no Java-world funny business 16:01 kivilahtio voila 16:01 kivilahtio upload .tar-archive to Smolder 16:01 kivilahtio Have a bash script listen to changes in GitHub. Trigger a Ansible test script 16:01 kivilahtio you can use whatever scripting , like Ansible to automate it 16:00 kivilahtio like really easy. You just upload .tap-archive files 16:00 tcohen but still don't make use of docker integration 16:00 kivilahtio tcohen: Smolder seems pretty easy to me :) 16:00 tcohen we use build slaves already 16:00 tcohen kivilahtio: yes 16:00 tcohen abadoned due to the lack of plugins 16:00 kivilahtio tcohen: You can use Jenkins build slaves to do that? 16:00 tcohen I looed at GoCD too 15:59 tcohen but I basically don't like Jenkins 15:59 tcohen I like it that they thought of using containers from the ground 15:53 kivilahtio tcohen: which looks like to be the case. Aside from Zebra, Travis CI deploys MariaDB and ElasticSearch for us 15:53 kivilahtio tcohen: if we presume you can deploy it and make Koha run there 15:53 kivilahtio tcohen: why Travis CI? 15:52 tcohen I think they provide docker images for that 15:51 kivilahtio tcohen: really? Where is the download link? 15:50 tcohen yes, you can 15:50 tcohen adn I haven't had the time to try 15:50 kivilahtio tcohen: I understand. And one cannot host Travis on his own server 15:50 tcohen we need to use kohadevbox scripts to generate our own 15:50 tcohen which are of no use for us 15:49 tcohen it is user firendly, but they provide baked containerized environments 15:49 kivilahtio tcohen: but you have a good point 15:49 kivilahtio tcohen: this I don't know, but it all seems very user friendly to me based on their promos 15:49 tcohen yeah, that part of the problem I don't worry about 15:49 kivilahtio tcohen: well it integrates semalessly to GitHub 15:49 tcohen how do you create a suitable environment for running Koha tests? 15:49 wahanui really is more trouble than she's worth. 15:49 tcohen really? 15:48 kivilahtio tcohen: travis would be really easy 15:48 tcohen i don't worry about that 15:48 kivilahtio tcohen: Travis has the disadvantage of not being able to measure hardware consumption during test runs 15:47 tcohen i'd like to move to using travis 15:47 kivilahtio tcohen: but maintaining Java scripts which parse .tap doesnät sound like fun to me 15:47 kivilahtio tcohen: And I don't know if it is any better 15:47 kivilahtio tcohen: I guess moving to smolder is out of question 15:47 kivilahtio good 15:47 kivilahtio ok 15:47 tcohen we are using jenkins 2.19 15:46 kivilahtio the pipeline-plugin for Jenkins is way too cool 15:46 kivilahtio I wonder how bad it is for Jenkins 2.* 15:46 kivilahtio tcohen: you are using the Jenkins v1.* ? 15:46 tcohen clover works, but the jenkins plugin doesnt 15:45 tcohen ok 15:45 kivilahtio http://search.cpan.org/~wonko/Smolder-1.51/lib/Smolder.pm 15:45 kivilahtio tcohen: 15:45 kivilahtio tch 15:45 kivilahtio not equally confident about the Java world 15:45 wahanui link is both helpful/unhelpful 15:45 tcohen link? 15:45 kivilahtio I am not sure if this is better, but it is in Perl so I can fix it no matter what happens 15:45 kivilahtio tcohen: there is a Perl-alternative, Smolder 15:45 tcohen yeah, exactly 15:45 tcohen it breaks frecquently and I'm not being able to make it work 15:45 kivilahtio tcohen: looks like it needs a new maintainer :) 15:45 eythian There's a particularly Rijksmuseumy sunset going on at the moment from where I'm sitting. 15:44 kivilahtio tcohen: mainly curious if you have any code in github which i can study 15:44 tcohen Regarding the Clover plugin, it sucks, and its maintainers suck 15:44 kivilahtio tcohen: I would like to see how you integrate the Koha's tap-tests to Jenkins and how you have configured Jenkins to run those tests. Also interested in how Clover works for you 15:43 tcohen waht about jenkins? 15:43 kivilahtio hi tcohen 15:43 tcohen hi kivilahtio 15:21 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 1.9°C (4:09 PM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029 hPa (Rising). 15:21 eythian @wunder ams 15:19 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Aprikosensteig, Berlin, Germany is -0.5°C (4:18 PM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). 15:19 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 15:15 kivilahtio it is rather de-facto standard so cant go wrong with it. It is just a bit hard translating the Perl-world to Java-world 15:15 kivilahtio so we can cross-pollinate ideas sometime 15:15 kivilahtio Joubu: I think I will install Jenkins2.0 for us 15:14 kivilahtio Joubu: thank you for your help 15:14 kivilahtio Joubu: I understand. I will ask him 15:14 Joubu kivilahtio: I'd prefer you to ask tcohen as he is the admin of this server 15:13 Joubu I did not configure it, just look at the config on the UI so I may answer something completely stupid 15:13 kivilahtio Joubu: is it possible to take a peek at the configurations, if they are not publicly available anywhere? 15:12 kivilahtio afaik 15:12 kivilahtio clover generates code coverage reports 15:12 Joubu we also export JUNIT_OUTPUT_FILE 15:11 Joubu but I guess the trick is there 15:11 Joubu no idea what that does 15:11 Joubu At the end of the perl script, there is covert -report clover 15:11 kivilahtio Joubu: I guess this answers my question. Thank you :) 15:11 kivilahtio Joubu: and Jenkins eats the .tap-results? 15:10 kivilahtio Joubu: ok 15:10 Joubu I am not sure to understand, we have a bash script, which set some env var and then prove the tests we need to launch 15:08 kivilahtio or do you? 15:08 kivilahtio Joubu: I mean how you turn tap-test results into jUnit test results 15:08 kivilahtio Joubu: so Jenkins can parse and store and statistize them 15:07 kivilahtio Joubu: how you turn .tap-tests into the jUnit-ones 15:07 kivilahtio Joubu: how you execute the perl test runs from Jenkins 15:07 kivilahtio Joubu: I am looking at Smolder, Jenkins2.0 with the pipeline-plugin and Travis CI. Would prefer to maintain compatibility with the community-way. 15:06 Joubu kivilahtio: what kind of info do you wanT? 15:06 LibraryClaire ah 15:06 LibraryClaire alex_a what is broken on it? mine seems ok 15:06 alex_a Only get that with chromium 15:05 alex_a LibraryClaire: yes it works after cache clearing. But now the top navbar is broken 15:05 kivilahtio Joubu: is the Koha-community's Jenkins and the tasks it executes somewhere where I can see how you have it configured? 15:03 LibraryClaire alex_a have you cleared your cache? that fixes it for me 14:33 alex_a And i can't close them :) 14:33 alex_a I get modals windows on patron and notice details that generate errors 14:32 alex_a bz 17874 14:32 alex_a cc Joubu 14:31 alex_a Is there a problem with the last pushed patch on master or it's me ? 13:15 Joubu k 13:13 marcelr it doesnt need an answer 13:13 marcelr let me look? 13:13 Joubu ok but what is the question? 13:12 marcelr but also many come from testing on dev systems 13:12 marcelr warnings on fields already added and so on 13:12 Joubu DB rev should not warn anything if nothing is wrong 13:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10459 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, borrowers should have a timestamp 13:11 Joubu marcelr: Hi! What do you mean on bug 10459 comment 80? 12:55 wahanui what's up, tcohen 12:55 tcohen hi 12:52 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (1:20 PM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 12:52 magnuse @wunder enbo 12:52 * tcohen goes find a litre of coffee 12:50 eythian If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a really nice summer day out there. 12:50 * LibraryClaire goes to find coffee 12:49 LibraryClaire hi tcohen 12:49 LibraryClaire snow snow snow 12:49 tcohen morning 12:49 eythian It's impressively clear here today. 12:46 * LibraryClaire loves snow 12:45 LibraryClaire hm, complete white-out with snow 12:44 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (1:41 PM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 12:44 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz 12:21 eythian wizzyrea: yeah, kinda neat 11:52 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 3.0°C (12:25 PM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 11:52 eythian @wunder ams 11:52 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found. 11:52 eythian @wunder amsterdam 11:33 Joubu indeed 11:33 drojf if you dont want it to appear in the log 11:33 drojf Joubu: you can pm huginn to do @later 11:32 Joubu [off] rangi: the dashboard displays bugs from the security project, should we hide them? 11:32 Joubu erk, that was sure 11:31 Joubu [off] @later tell rangi the dashboard displays bugs from the security project, should we hide them? 11:29 marcelr hope so ;) 11:29 drojf marcelr: have you been updated? 11:27 marcelr back after reboot 11:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17914 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The installer process tries to create borrowers.updated_on twice 11:00 Joubu mtj: see bug 17914 10:37 kivilahtio take care 10:37 kivilahtio so gotta go fixing 10:37 kivilahtio while stuff breaks around us :) 10:36 kivilahtio Joubu: lots of stuff happening :) Stuff I am not very familiar with 10:36 kivilahtio Joubu: adding new support services 10:36 kivilahtio Joubu: we will see. I havent gotten to the code upgrading part. A lot of work automating alll our infrastructure and deploying koha the "hard" way :) 10:34 Joubu your 10:34 Joubu it's hard for the whole Koha community, so yes I can imagine it's hard to maintain you fork 10:33 kivilahtio that is a lot of work 10:33 kivilahtio Joubu: we are reworking our testing processes 10:32 kivilahtio Joubu: true dat 10:32 Joubu and yes, we need more 10:32 Joubu we have a lot of testers 10:31 kivilahtio but that is just my two cents 10:31 kivilahtio *cares about doing testing* 10:31 kivilahtio it is obvious that nobody cares about testing. So automate the borings bits to the machine? 10:30 kivilahtio and trust the CI :) 10:30 kivilahtio Joubu: make minor modifications yourself and push 10:30 kivilahtio Joubu: So instead of you writing code, you just evaluate quality, demand meticulous automated tests, and push 10:29 kivilahtio Joubu: My another suggestion is for the Koha-community to direct the development. Instead of receiving code commits, you direct who does what and then review the code yourself/yourselves and push 10:29 kivilahtio me too, but you need pragmaticism 10:28 * Joubu trusts testers and code reviews 10:28 Joubu I don't think that is out of topic for biblios/auths 10:27 Joubu I am saying that the code is wrong, and that need adjustement before going further 10:27 kivilahtio Joubu: trust the CI 10:27 kivilahtio Joubu: thatäs why I always say you should be able to push your patches :) 10:27 Joubu code is there, just need testing 10:27 kivilahtio Joubu: I agree 10:27 Joubu yes, that's the problem. Everybody is always targeting on something else 10:25 kivilahtio Joubu: unfortunately we are targeting ES for biblios/authorities atm 10:25 Joubu patches are waiting for testing/feedbacks 10:23 kivilahtio Joubu: ES patron search would bring some nice improvements 10:23 Joubu the problem is the code, not ES side 10:23 kivilahtio Joubu: I get your point 10:23 kivilahtio Joubu: ok 10:23 Joubu yes, what I did 10:22 kivilahtio Joubu: you can add a new ES index, patrons? 10:22 Joubu there are some changes to do before going further imo 10:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use Elasticsearch to search for patrons 10:22 Joubu on bug 17500 I have highlighted the fact that our indexing code is too records-centric 10:21 kivilahtio never ever 10:21 kivilahtio Joubu: looking forward to never ever having to add/configure another Zebra index 10:21 kivilahtio Joubu: yes 10:21 kivilahtio Joubu: es 10:21 Joubu ES mappings are very limited at the moment, that's certainly why the index is light 10:16 kivilahtio w ehave something like 1.5 million records 10:16 kivilahtio mtj: hmm, looks like we actually have "most" of the records inddexed if the count == 1426035 10:16 kivilahtio {"count":1426035,"_shards":{"total":5,"successful":5,"failed":0}} 10:16 kivilahtio mtj: root@koha_ci_2:/home/koha/Koha# curl -XGET http://10.0.3.211:9200/koha_ci_2_biblios/data/_count 10:12 mtj yep understood 10:11 kivilahtio mtj: this was just my initial test after getting the ES code rebased to ES 5.1 10:11 kivilahtio mtj: there can be something wrong with the ES indexing I did 10:11 kivilahtio mtj: me too 10:11 mtj ..i thought they would be about the same size 10:10 mtj wow, i did not expect that kivilahtio ^ 10:08 kivilahtio it wil lgrow but not by many factors 10:07 kivilahtio not to mention the ES index i 1/10th of the Zebra index atm, 10:07 LibraryClaire good word 10:06 kivilahtio I consider this gargantugigantical 10:06 magnuse :-) 10:06 kivilahtio magnuse: using caching properly and plack cuts page loads on average 2-4 seconds 10:06 kivilahtio magnuse: ES cuts 10 seconds on our search with term 'koira' 10:06 magnuse shock all the librarians! 10:04 kivilahtio Anyway, I am ready to do sign offs, on those topics and please correct me if there is anything you think should be added or removed. I hope we can get ES into production while we upgrade to the newest communit version. The speed improvement is gargantuan and our librarians will be truly positively shocked :) 10:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17255 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Upgrade Elastic Search code to work with version 5.1 10:03 kivilahtio rebase to the newest master, so not sure if anybody in Finland can work with ES on Q1. I made a list of things that need to be resolved to use ES in production and did some time-estimates on those. Would be nice if kidclamp could comment on that. http://pastebin.com/LKNPJcYQ 10:03 kivilahtio bag: I talked with kidclamp about BWS's plan to start piloting ES for Koha 17.05 . He told me that he has been working with ES and the same Bug 17255 I shared patches to Bugzilla for. I have similar plans for us. We discuss this wednesday what we are going to do with ES. My tests show that using ES cuts 10 seconds on some searches load time, so it might be a no-brainer to focus on ES. But we have many 3rd party integrations we need to 09:55 mtj ..its got low/minor status - and has db table changes 09:54 mtj 10459 seems like a good bug to *not* backport 09:50 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:50 Joubu @later tell cait it's junitmsgfmt, to use it, install the translate-toolkit package, then `junitmsgfmt misc/translator/po/ar-Arab-staff-prog.po` 09:48 cait bye all 09:44 cait Joubu: yeah, not critical, but generally good if we could avoid this 09:44 Joubu mtj: I am going to fix it 09:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10459 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, borrowers should have a timestamp 09:43 mtj looks like its bug 10459 09:43 mtj cait, yep.. makes sense :) 09:43 cait pushing po files is one of the last hings i do, so jenkins was not finished last time :) 09:42 cait but i am not sure how to run the tests jenkins does, so i could just fix it before release 09:42 cait it got in with the po file update 09:42 cait it's a translation error 09:42 Joubu cait: did you already have a look at the ar-Arab po file? 09:41 Joubu yes but does not corrupt the DB 09:41 cait it looks red and scary 09:41 cait Joubu: problem is people can't tell - only we can 09:40 Joubu not upgrade problem, just a warning. It depends if you call a warning a problem :) 09:39 cait because the columns is already there when it shouldn't be, make sense? 09:39 cait if you just backport, it will cuase errors for 'duplicate' for the versions up 09:38 cait that's why we need to be extra careful with database changes 09:38 cait mtj: yep 09:38 drojf cait: in institution wants to find their stuff easily, but it shows everything, and i think it is because of the code, but i'm checking the data 09:38 mtj hmm, did the backport of 'updated_on' cause some upgrade problems for 16.11? 09:38 cait just a note for people reading here 09:38 cait ah, I wrote to bgkriegel to prepare string freeze - might happen today :) 09:37 cait or usemylibraryfirst or something like that? 09:37 cait are you using the library pull down next to simple search? 09:37 Joubu yep 09:37 cait drojf: ? 09:37 cait Joubu: so we just need a fix for master and 16.11.x adding the checks to the updatedatabae? 09:37 drojf is the library code part of the free OPAC search? and if so, how do i get rid of that? 09:36 cait hi mtj 09:36 cait not sure yet how to test those pre_rleease 09:36 mtj hi cait, Joubu... just reading above ^ 09:36 cait https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_16.11.x_D8/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ 09:35 cait only the arabic po file is failing now 09:35 cait ah cool 09:35 Joubu yes you did 09:35 cait which reminds me... *checks jenkins* 09:35 Joubu yes 09:35 cait i think i pusehd that last night if it was 09:35 cait ? 09:35 cait hm is that the 5.7 fix 09:35 Joubu refund_lot_item_fee_rules looks ok 09:35 cait i was wondering if they might have loaded the data in a newer db 09:35 Joubu I added 3 sub to C4::Installer to check the existence of column, constraint, fk. I think we will need to backport them 09:34 cait did you check the refund_lot_item_fee_rules table too? 09:34 Joubu yep 09:34 Joubu that raises the error 09:34 cait to avoid the error message 09:34 Joubu but basically updated_on is added in 16.05 and 16.11 09:34 cait we'd need to fix it in 16.11 and mster 09:34 cait if we wanted to fix it tho... 09:33 cait but you are right, i was looking at it too 09:33 cait hehe no problem 09:33 Joubu monday morning... 09:33 Joubu and... you are not 16.05 RM anyway, so you are not the right person, sorry 09:33 Joubu but, for instance, updated_on is in 16.11 and backported to 16.05 09:32 cait hm link still loading 09:32 Joubu there are some stuffs that should not happen because it's not possible in a normal workflow 09:32 Joubu cait: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2017-January/047053.html 09:31 cait and yeah... it's too cold 09:31 Joubu cait: ok, try to be quick 09:31 cait sitting in a cafe for 15 more minutes :) 09:31 cait kind of 09:31 Joubu cait: Are you around? 09:26 LibraryClaire I thought I was south! :D 09:25 Joubu move South, the weather is mild here :) 09:23 LibraryClaire Joubu: yeah I'm alright. Cold! 09:23 Joubu hi LibraryClaire, how are you doing? 09:23 LibraryClaire Hi Joubu 09:23 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:23 Joubu @later tell francharb we are waiting from an answer from you on 11882 09:22 Joubu arg 09:22 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:22 Joubu @later tell francharb we are waiting from an answer from you in 09:10 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:10 Joubu @later tell khall I have just attached a followup on bug 6782. I think it can be pushed bypassing the usual so+qa workflow 08:32 LibraryClaire hi gaetan_B 08:29 gaetan_B hello 08:14 drojf hi LibraryClaire 08:13 LibraryClaire moin drojf 08:11 drojf hi #koha 07:54 eythian I'm not sure about that weather station. 07:53 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 0.0°C (8:25 AM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 07:53 eythian @wunder ams 07:53 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 5.0°C (8:49 AM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 07:53 eythian @wunder Jordaan, Amsterdam 07:49 LibraryClaire omg yes :D 07:47 alex_a LibraryClaire: you need that: http://medias.legrandbornand.com/images/prestations/multitailles/800x600_82403-sitraact754324_152984_imgp0482_copie.jpg 07:44 reiveune salut LibraryClaire 07:44 LibraryClaire hi reiveune 07:44 LibraryClaire turns out cycling in snow is quite exciting. And not always in a good way 07:44 reiveune hello 07:43 huginn alex_a: The current temperature in Lotissement en campagne, Sainte-Feyre, France is 2.3°C (8:38 AM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 07:43 alex_a @wunder Guéret 07:43 LibraryClaire snow 07:43 huginn alex_a: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is -1.2°C (8:40 AM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 07:43 alex_a @wunder Konstanz 07:42 alex_a hello LibraryClaire 07:41 LibraryClaire hey alex_a 07:40 alex_a bonjour 07:35 fridolin LibraryClaire: magnuse marcelr and ohers, le bonjour 07:35 marcelr bonjour fridolin 07:34 LibraryClaire salut fridolin 07:34 fridolin hie tehre 07:34 marcelr hi LibraryClaire 07:33 LibraryClaire hey marcelr 07:30 marcelr hi #koha 07:28 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is -1.3°C (8:20 AM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 07:28 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz 07:28 huginn LibraryClaire: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found 07:28 LibraryClaire @wunder kopnstanz 07:28 * LibraryClaire watches tumbleweeds roll by 07:04 LibraryClaire morning #koha 07:00 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (7:50 AM CET on January 16, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 07:00 magnuse @wunder enbo 05:19 * magnuse_ waves 03:32 dcook Even with 100 records instead of 3... time seems about the same, so that's good 03:05 wizzyrea eythian: http://mentalfloss.com/article/90795/trains-netherlands-now-run-entirely-wind-energy whaaaaaat 02:46 dcook mmm but that's with a single requst. I wonder at scale... 02:36 dcook Well, that might be coincidence. I think it's exactly the same. 02:36 dcook In fact, I think it might be ever so slightly faster 02:36 dcook But I'm actually noticing no difference when using it vs using DBI directly.. 02:35 dcook Interesting... I had started to avoid DBIx::Class because people said it was a performance killer