Time Nick Message 21:26 cait not so far, if you don't count fog 21:12 kathryn evening cait, white christmas? 21:12 cait morning kathryn :) 21:10 irma morning kathryn ... will do Rangi 21:10 kathryn hi cait and irma 21:10 kathryn Yep, I'll answer that one today, rangi 21:10 kathryn morning! }:0) 21:08 rangi if you could point him that way, that would be great thanks irma 21:06 irma rangi if you are looking for someone (no lawyer) to read over the privacy policy ask BobB 21:05 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:05 rangi @later tell drojf can you have a read over this please https://github.com/ranginui/hea-app/blob/master/Privacy_Policy.md it's the start of the privacy policy I am writing 21:04 cait i was thinking because no official certification 21:04 irma Nice !!! http://libcat.kustar.ac.ae/ 21:04 cait rangi: ah right 21:04 cait morning irma 21:04 irma good morning all 21:04 rangi terms and conditions 21:03 cait t&c? 21:03 wizzyrea rangi++ 21:03 rangi bleurgh 21:03 rangi now i have to write some T&C 21:02 rangi https://github.com/ranginui/hea-app/blob/master/Privacy_Policy.md 21:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13805 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Installer does not work under Plack 21:01 wizzyrea cait: bug 13805 20:59 rangi kathryn was going to for catalyst, we offer a full week course that covers all that, but i dunno if anyone else was going to 20:58 cait should we answer the emai about training and certification? 20:58 cait trying to get everything in place 20:58 cait thx 20:56 wizzyrea sure - if you can't get me, you can twitter DM or facebook messenger at me (or gchat or...) because that goes to my pocket 20:56 cait wizzyrea: hm i can try and do a draft sometime :) I want to do a test run during th eweekend 20:55 cait wizzyrea: iwill 20:54 wizzyrea possibly the method of disabling the syspref cache has changed, because my devbox's koha.psgi doesn't have that disable_syspref_cache 20:53 wizzyrea so interesting 20:53 rangi and a bunch of entropy 20:53 wizzyrea w 20:53 wizzyrea oh phe 20:53 rangi just the library name 20:53 rangi its not a password 20:52 wizzyrea erk 20:52 rangi (hea) 20:52 wizzyrea oh, um, be sure to tag it in the right categories for release 20:52 rangi ohh we base64 md5 hash it 20:52 wizzyrea if you want, I can check it for you 20:52 wizzyrea that's the only thing I can think of 20:52 wizzyrea if you are using the html created ones, just be sure to put the editor mode in HTML mode when you paste it in 20:51 wizzyrea hm, nope not really. You are generating the release notes with the release tools? 20:51 cait wizzyrea: my account for kc website still works - anything i should know about adding a release post? 20:50 cait will have to take it back to the coworkers 20:50 cait ah no, can't check from here :) 20:49 wizzyrea must be somethin esle 20:49 cait will ask tomorrow thx 20:49 cait ok, so C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" is koha.psgi file 20:48 wizzyrea since this patch 20:48 wizzyrea *nod* but there have been some changes in there 20:48 cait but will 20:48 cait just using default 20:48 cait i don't think we tweaked it 20:47 wizzyrea one thing to check would be that this C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" is in your koha.psgi file 20:47 rangi that guy can still go to hell 20:47 rangi bwahaha 20:47 rangi we should stop talking about it and fix it and write user docs and stuff 20:46 cait hm if that crawled back in it would be pretty horrible 20:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack 20:46 wizzyrea bug 9005 20:46 wizzyrea there was a whole bug about "changing sysprefs doesn't work with plack running" 20:45 cait does the caching fallback to something else when you have no memcached? 20:45 cait i thought that too first, but we checked 20:45 wizzyrea then not that :) 20:45 cait no memcached running 20:45 wizzyrea changing the frameworks sounds more like a memcached one to me, I could be wrong tho 20:44 cait and if you change marc frameworks... it takes time for it to show? *confused* 20:44 cait or it won't go away 20:44 cait it also seems like turning off opac maintenance requires another restart of plack 20:43 wizzyrea that's normally how installer loops happen anyway, version mismatches. 20:38 wizzyrea isn't it something to do with the version being cached as uninstalled, and then when the db gets populated it isn't refreshed to the now correct version 20:38 rangi (the installer if you plack running) 20:38 rangi in different ways 20:38 rangi it is going to break every upgrade 20:38 cait in general... since we turned on plack some things are weird :( 20:37 cait i am not persuaded web installer + plack not working is not a bug 20:37 wizzyrea in fact, doing work like patch fixing on the devbox with memcached and plack both running is >.< to me. I understand why it's important but it's so easy to forget to clear them. 20:36 wizzyrea but it is 20:36 wizzyrea a very annoying thing about the devbox, is that plack isn't supposed to be running when the installer does 20:33 LibraryClaire laters #koha 20:33 LibraryClaire righty, i'm gonna head to where i cannot break things :D (bed!) 20:29 * Dyrcona should be configuring production VMs for Evergreen, but somehow wound up in here. :) 20:28 huginn LibraryClaire: The operation succeeded. 20:28 LibraryClaire @later tell tcohen I seem to have a working kohadevbox now! Thanks! :) 20:27 Dyrcona I can hear the reaction: "Scott McWho, now?" ;) 20:24 * Dyrcona is reminded of something Scott McNealy said in the '90s...... 20:22 Dyrcona heh 20:22 Nuentoter china's privacy policy is nice and simple: "if you type it, it is ours, if you read it, it is ours." 20:20 Dyrcona 'Cept mabye Russia. 20:20 rangi true 20:20 Dyrcona Anything is stronger than the US.... :) 20:20 rangi so probably good enough 20:20 rangi i figure it's about as strong as nz privacy and way stronger than US 20:19 rangi and just writing one to comply with the EU 20:19 rangi ive given up trying to reconcile all the privacy stuff 20:19 rangi https://termsfeed.com/blog/eu-privacy-policy/ 20:18 rangi good grief 20:07 cait yeah, it happens 20:05 LibraryClaire i look at stuff and apparently they break :) 20:05 cait which might not be normally necessary... but... i break things 20:05 LibraryClaire oh 20:05 cait but the last time i had to kill it 20:05 cait or restarting it 20:05 cait try killing plack 20:01 LibraryClaire haha, i'm stuck in a web installer loop 20:01 LibraryClaire ta! 20:00 wahanui i heard password was correct 20:00 cait password 20:00 cait koha_kohadev 20:00 LibraryClaire anyone know what the web installer login is for devbox? 20:00 cait ah good then 19:59 oleonard Bye all. See you tomorrow. 19:59 LibraryClaire drojf's fire 19:59 cait burning laptop 19:59 LibraryClaire *pokes devbox* 19:58 LibraryClaire yay install finished 19:58 cait hm, what about the fumes? 19:58 LibraryClaire i suspect it has nothing to do with the devbox itself and is more pebcak :D 19:56 LibraryClaire i think the magic pixies got at it while i was sleeping 19:56 LibraryClaire just waiting for it to reinstall 19:56 LibraryClaire so we did vagrant destroy 19:56 LibraryClaire but we couldn't figure out what on earth i did 19:55 LibraryClaire yeh it was great while it worked 19:55 oleonard I'm sorry you're having trouble LibraryClaire, but kohadevbox++ from me so far. 19:55 LibraryClaire (broke all her kohas) 19:54 LibraryClaire I cannot test under these conditions! 19:54 drojf good girl 19:53 * LibraryClaire throws laptop on the fire 19:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Acquisitions module getting internal server error when adding orders to basket - a case of barcode not autoincrementing (?) 19:50 cait bug 17774 19:48 cait has a patch waiting 19:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17766 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Patron notification does not work with multi item holds 19:48 cait bug 17766 19:48 LibraryClaire stupid broken .... *mutters* 19:47 LibraryClaire that was what i was gonna test 19:47 LibraryClaire see 19:47 cait Joubu++ oleonard++ 19:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17764 critical, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user 19:47 cait ah cool, bug 17764 has a patch now :) 19:46 cait we have some regressions 19:46 cait i was mostly talking about bugs without patches 19:46 oleonard So the question is about NEW bugs? Or existing patches we want to move along? 19:46 cait how do we treat plack bugs? 19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17692 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Can't add library EAN under Plack 19:45 cait bug 17692 19:45 cait i was only there for like 5 mins... was enough to end up with a todo 19:45 oleonard Oh the evil bug list came up while I was away. 19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736 new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality 19:45 cait bug 7736 19:44 LibraryClaire building from scratch now 19:43 LibraryClaire oleonard i just broke mine 19:43 cait i think building a bugzilla search might work and checking severity 19:43 oleonard LibraryClaire: I just got my kohadevbox working, so I'm a super-expert now. 19:42 cait and now Joubu wants a list 19:42 cait i made the mistake to speak up at th emeeting 19:42 LibraryClaire *cries in the corner* 19:42 * oleonard didn't know there was a separate list for evil ones 19:42 LibraryClaire i have spent two hours trying to make some form of koha work so i can test stuff 19:42 cait anyone want me to help with the evil bug list? 19:41 cait drojf: you know why you don't get any 19:40 cait oh and oleonard 19:40 LibraryClaire yay :D 19:40 * cait shares with rangi and LibraryClaire 19:40 LibraryClaire sorry what? *wipes crumbs from mouth* 19:40 cait hehe 19:39 oleonard Yes, to 'save them from the fire' ... 19:39 * LibraryClaire takes pancakes to save them from fire 19:38 rangi don't let drojf see them, he'll throw them on the fire 19:38 * cait has pancakes :) 19:37 * cait waves 19:35 rangi hehe 19:35 * LibraryClaire tries to put out hte fire before everything ends up in it 19:34 * drojf throws the nightly server on the fire 19:34 drojf ok i give up trying to figure out why the nightly thing puts the whole git directory in the tar file. which is why all is broken, because thats huge 19:32 LibraryClaire it has not crashed and runs netflix really well :D 19:32 rangi i have an old one, its running panasonics own creation (probably windows me hacked at) 19:31 LibraryClaire mine is panasonic 19:31 drojf thats what raspis are for :P 19:31 drojf i want the internet out of the tv 19:31 rangi such a good advance 19:31 rangi yay for tvs that randomly crash 19:31 oleonard I'm a little afraid of new TVs these days. What are they doing behind my back? 19:30 drojf :P 19:30 drojf sounds like rangi can confirm 19:30 drojf but i hear they suck at that 19:30 drojf panasonic has some. i read they might… "work" on it 19:30 rangi gotta be better than whatever madness my panasonic tv is running 19:29 oleonard I didn't know TVs had Firefox OS. 19:29 drojf :P 19:29 rangi heh 19:29 drojf i said fire 19:29 LibraryClaire but so shiny :( 19:29 drojf throw it on the fire 19:29 drojf :( 19:29 LibraryClaire my new tv has firefox os 19:29 rangi its probably the same reason ubuntu phones will fail 19:28 rangi srsly, i was talking to francois who worked on them, they got so many returned as 'faulty' because whatsapp wouldn't work on them (and whatsapp had zero intention of porting) 19:28 drojf wasn't that actually available? never used it 19:28 drojf heh 19:28 rangi europeans and their love of whatsapp 19:27 rangi you know what killed firefox os 19:27 * drojf throws a few firefox os phones on the #koha fire 19:27 drojf yes 19:26 rangi yup 19:25 * oleonard is a little annoyed at the rate at which Mozilla starts and then kills projects 19:21 rangi yeah, tis a shame, i still reckon federated IDP is much better than one single one ... but oh well, we get the internet we deserve ;) 19:20 * oleonard signed off on the patch which removes it 19:19 oleonard By the way, thanks for your contribution of the Mozilla Persona functionality rangi. Too bad it didn't take off. 19:17 wahanui oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! 19:17 rangi heya oleonard 19:16 oleonard Also hi rangi 19:15 oleonard In kohadevbox would putting everything in global collide with other stuff? I guess I don't know what else people might use kohadevbox for 19:14 rangi i guess for all the bits that can be global (except the username and password i guess?) 19:12 oleonard So it makes me wonder, should there be a global configuration setting for git-bz out of the box? 19:10 oleonard Manually adding config details solved the problem. 19:10 oleonard Okay figured out my git-bz problem. With sync_repo on git-bz was looking at the git config file on my host machine, which doesn't have git-bz because does it even work on Windows? 18:32 LibraryClaire hi, i think i broke something in my devbox 18:32 tcohen hi LibraryClaire 18:26 LibraryClaire tcohen around? 18:04 Rules 3.22.04.000 18:03 Rules is the only way you can help me 18:03 edveal What version of Koha are you using? 18:03 Rules keep asking 18:03 Rules no worries 18:03 Rules yes... but i believe that it would be the same problems for other items 18:02 edveal So you only have those two? sorry for all the questions. 18:02 Rules other types aren't configured 18:01 edveal But everything else is checking out incorectly? 18:01 Rules but books are checking out for 5 days too.... not 15 days like I would like 18:00 Rules DVD are checking out for 5 days... like they suppose to 17:59 edveal Are any of them checking out correctly or are they all doing the same thing incorrectly? 17:59 Rules yes 17:58 edveal Do they have different rules for each patron catagory? 17:58 Rules multiple 17:57 edveal Do you have multiple patron catagories or have you set that for “Allâ€? 17:56 Rules just 1 17:56 Rules Nope 17:56 edveal Do you have multiple libraries? 17:56 Rules cheking out for the wrong time 17:55 Rules like using dvd rules 17:55 Rules but books are loan just for 5 days 17:55 edveal Are they checkiong out for the wrong time or not checking out at all? 17:55 edveal Can you explain what is not working? 17:55 Rules and 5 days to DVD 17:55 Rules i set 15 days to books 17:54 Rules yup 17:54 edveal Rules so are you setting them up in the Circulation and fines rules? 17:53 Rules or is not working 17:53 Rules but I can't do it 17:53 Rules and dvd for 5 days 17:53 Rules books for 15 days 17:53 Rules for example 17:53 Rules i want to create diferent rules to everyone 17:52 Rules Books, journals, magazines, dvd's and others 17:51 Rules I have several item types 17:51 Rules It's simple but I don't know how to do it 17:50 Rules I have a question 17:50 Rules Hello everyone 17:45 rsantellan and only a few of them are completed 17:45 rsantellan I create a test template with all the parameters 17:45 rsantellan my problem is in that function don't replace any data at all 17:44 rsantellan I have a question about the email templates creation. The overdue_notice.pl call C4::Overdues::parse_overdues_letter, I see that I have all the data there, with all the data it calls: C4::Letters::GetPreparedLetter 17:36 kidclamp Joubu++ 17:36 kidclamp ashimema++ 17:32 LibraryClaire Thanks Joubu :)) 17:30 LibraryClaire oh it's doing things now :D 17:30 Joubu then fetch 17:30 Joubu git remote set-url origin git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git 17:30 Joubu ok, try 17:29 LibraryClaire origin http://git.koha-community.org/koha.git 17:29 Joubu over git or http? 17:29 LibraryClaire tells me an origin for push and fetch 17:28 Joubu git remote -v 17:27 LibraryClaire yes 17:27 Joubu on fetching I guess? 17:26 pastebot "LibraryClaire" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error: Unable to find 2618afd8" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/195 17:26 LibraryClaire i'm sure it's easy... two secs i'll paste 17:25 Joubu LibraryClaire: can try 17:23 LibraryClaire anyone able to help me with an error message I get when trying to do a git pull in devbox? I have a special skill for breaking things these days 17:00 Joubu oleonard: I think I get it when https is not set to true 16:52 eythian not sure, it's been too long since I've had to set it up. 16:51 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded. 16:51 kidclamp @later tell magnue coverflow 2.4 released - let me know if I broke anything :-) 16:47 oleonard I don't see anything about that here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#Configure_git-bz 16:46 eythian I can't remember the details, but somewhere you have to provide a hostname. 16:46 oleonard eythian: I have followed the kohadevbox instructions and my expectation was that I didn't need to manually define anything 16:45 eythian oleonard: have you defined the global name "host"? 16:43 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error when using git-bz in kohadevbox" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/194 16:29 reiveune bye 16:16 tcohen when i go back, IRC wrongly gets the focus 16:16 tcohen and when I switch, it still shows the IRC client 16:16 tcohen so I have firefox in another workspace 16:15 tcohen https://snag.gy/Yz59Ry.jpg 16:15 tcohen sec 16:14 oleonard 'sticky in all workspaces' describes my home computer after my kids use it. 16:13 tcohen its a bug in Unity, I'll file a bug 16:13 tcohen he 16:13 tcohen (so I can always read the IRC while working 16:13 tcohen it might be related to my 'sticky in all workspaces' setup 16:12 tcohen the IRC client seems to get the focus 16:12 tcohen and when I switch back a forth from one to the other 16:12 tcohen i use 6 workspaces 16:11 tcohen I have issues with my desktop setup 16:11 tcohen hehe 16:11 drojf if one of you encodes and the other decodes, you can be the human jsonipede 16:04 eythian no, you decode_json 15:57 tcohen decode_json 15:28 tcohen YAY! 15:28 oleonard tcohen: I made a correction to my sync_repo path and the installation succeeded (with 2 or 3 rounds of 'vagrant provision' to get it there) 15:18 tcohen we do 15:18 oleonard Repeat for every Koha support company. 15:18 oleonard Does ByWater check to make sure that every one of its customers is registered on Breeding's site? If so, ask then to enable Hea too. 15:17 LibraryClaire oleonard: I feel like that might be a nice option to have... 15:12 oleonard I wonder if libraries who hesitate to share Koha usage statistics in Hea would prefer to share only that they are a Koha user? So give the option to share library name and URL but not stats. 14:44 tcohen sounds good 14:44 ashimema 'we = ptfs europe' in the above 14:44 ashimema we're only just starting to go the plack route.. it would be good to have a kick to make sure we do ;) 14:43 tcohen ok 14:43 ashimema suggest it at the next community meeting and I'll back you ;) 14:39 tcohen i mean, c'mon, fixing a variable scoping issue? the most difficult part is finding the bug, and it will certaintly happen the more people use Plack 14:38 ashimema haha, indeed 14:38 tcohen it is just a matter of will 14:38 tcohen ashimema: there's a bunch of support companies involved in the community, I'm sure we have the work force to fix anything that would prevent it 14:37 ashimema tcohen++ #suggesting we ditch non-plack altogether 14:36 tcohen oleonard: it seems that you have SYNC_REPO set (otherwise it would have cloned the repo inside the box) and it is failing to mount it 14:35 ashimema but I can't see that many apps can actually do it that way anymore ;) 14:35 ashimema the shibboleth folk claim that using headers is in theory a security concern and you should always prefer env's 14:35 oleonard You know what tcohen, looking at the error message again I may have messed something up in my configuration. Let me try something and report back. 14:35 * tcohen thinks we should just drop non-persistent support 14:35 ashimema so there was no need to maintain any environment based compatability.. so I just did it directly 14:34 ashimema tcohen, in the past when I've fixed it for other apps they'd made the decision to go fully persistent and stop supporting a non-persistent mode 14:33 tcohen oleonard: did you manage to get the kohaclone dir contain the community repo? 14:33 ashimema tcohen, I'm not sure yet 14:33 LibraryClaire oleonard: still no joy? 14:31 oleonard Still fighting to get kohadevbox running on Windows :( 14:31 * oleonard has been distracted while learning about Vagrant 14:30 oleonard I know josef_moravec_! You should continue to bug me because I need reminding. 14:30 josef_moravec_ oleonard: sorry to be so annoying with this... 14:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Needs Signoff , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client 14:30 josef_moravec_ oleonard: bug 16239 ;) 14:30 * oleonard has a couple of hours before lunch 14:29 oleonard tcohen: Oh is that all? 14:29 tcohen oleonard: yes, go learn React and re-implement the OPAC with it. We'll implement the needed RESTful endpoints as you require them 14:28 marcelr only rewrite Search.pm, oleonard 14:28 oleonard Anyone sign me up for anything while I was gone? 14:22 tcohen :D 14:22 tcohen ashimema: do u plan to write a Plack::Middleware? or just put an if plack and handle the headers in the code? 14:22 ashimema I fixed the exact same issue in other apps.. it's just a case of getting me head back around how the koha implimentation works ;) 14:21 ashimema there is now 17776 14:19 ashimema there isn't a shib bug yet Joubu.. I only verified or myself that it was broken today ;) 14:16 Joubu no another one 14:15 cait marcelr. I will check the logs for bug numbers 14:15 tcohen 17775 14:15 tcohen 177 14:14 Joubu Was there one? 14:14 Joubu What was the plack + shib + ldap bug? 14:11 gveranis_ bye all 14:11 khall later all! 14:11 Joubu thanks kidclamp 14:11 tcohen kidclamp++ 14:11 LibraryClaire kidclamp++ 14:11 kidclamp Thanks all! 14:11 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016.2016-12-14-13.01.log.html 14:11 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016.2016-12-14-13.01.txt 14:11 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016.2016-12-14-13.01.html 14:11 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 14 14:11:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 14:11 kidclamp #endmeeting 14:10 kidclamp #info next meeting 11 January 2016, 20 UTC 14:10 kidclamp sounds good 14:10 tcohen wait until january, because end of the year is complicated for everyone 14:10 kidclamp begin 14:09 kidclamp do you want to set a time now tcohen, 2 weeks or so? or wait until January to being? 14:09 kidclamp #action tcohen proposes to hold a second dev meeting - he will chair 14:09 marcelr kidclamp++ 14:09 tcohen true 14:09 tcohen I'll ask for help if i cannot attend 14:09 kidclamp but keeping meeting short is harder than I thought :-) 14:08 * tcohen volunteers 14:08 kidclamp tcohen - I am all for it if somone else will chair the second meeting 14:08 kidclamp agreed, this time was nice 14:08 barton agreed. 14:08 marcelr this was a good time btw 14:07 tcohen brief ones 14:07 Joubu Wed 14:07 tcohen we should have 2 dev meetings a month 14:07 kidclamp January 11, 20UTC? 14:07 barton +1 14:06 kidclamp I am proposing something around 20UTC according to survey until someone has a better method/time 14:05 kidclamp #topic Set time of next meeting 14:05 marcelr cait: 17502 14:05 cait yeah, some evil plack things around 14:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17775 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add new user with LDAP not works under Plack 14:05 Joubu bug 17775 14:05 cait i will check what i held back i my inbox - but can't go look through all of bugzilla 14:05 kidclamp #info don't hit cait 14:04 cait there is always lots of bugs - so please don't hit me if i miss an important one 14:04 cait also some problems with mulitple holds and sip i think 14:04 kidclamp send to koha/koha-devel 14:03 cait hm where could we put those so it's not just me? 14:03 kidclamp #action cait will compile a list of bugs wanted/needed for 16.11.1 14:03 cait that cvould be helpful 14:03 cait there is also a fixme now search on bugzilla 14:03 cait i can try and create one - maybe by tomorrow? 14:02 kidclamp anything more cait? 14:02 Joubu cait: could you send me the list, if you have one? 14:02 marcelr also a failing search 14:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17502 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Resolve internal server error on 0000-00-00 (with Plack) 14:02 marcelr any relation with bug 17502 14:01 cait ther are more, those i remembered off the top of my head 14:01 kidclamp oleonard++ 14:01 * ashimema apologises for having missed most of this meeting.. feeling rough so went back to bed and slept through the alarm 14:01 kidclamp #info bug 17692 and bug 17764 are high priority for 16.11.1 14:01 * oleonard runs off to an irl meeting 14:01 cait it would be great if we could still get those into 16.11.1 14:01 Joubu 17764 is for me 14:00 kidclamp #info string freeze on the 22nd 14:00 kidclamp #info there are lots of open bug reports waiting for patches - please also take a look at those 14:00 cait OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user 14:00 kidclamp #topic Progress on next release (16.11) 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17764 critical, P2, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user 14:00 cait bug 17764 is evil too 14:00 kidclamp #info LDAP and shib may not be entirely plack safe 14:00 cait bug 17692 13:59 cait it would be really good if dev coudl take a look at the blocker - major ones recently filed 13:59 cait there are lots of open bug reports waiting for patches - please also take a look at those. I am going to call string freeze tomorrow and then release on 22nd 13:59 cait yes of course 13:59 khall cait: is there a bug number for that? I'd be happy to fix it 13:59 kidclamp we have ldap working under plack in 3.22 in at least one instance 13:59 cait w 13:59 cait qa is no longer my topic, but from rmaint's point of vie 13:59 ashimema shib is a case of switching from env variables to request headers 13:59 khall ashimema++ 13:59 cait you can't add any 13:58 cait edi libary ean is broken too 13:58 * kidclamp hands ashimema all of his round tuits 13:58 ashimema ldap I wasn't aware of being broken. 13:58 ashimema and I have a plan to fix it.. when I get a moment 13:58 Joubu it may be easy to fix 13:58 ashimema I can varify shib is broken under plack 13:58 Joubu someone knowing this part of code should get a look 13:57 Joubu and it has wrong var scope 13:57 Joubu I quickly looked at the code C4/Auth_with_ldap 13:57 Joubu on the general Koha ML 13:57 kidclamp possibly shib/SAML too 13:57 Joubu but ldap seems broken under plack 13:57 kidclamp :-) 13:57 Joubu not QA related 13:56 Joubu yes just 13:56 kidclamp anything more to add? I think we covered it in discussion 13:56 drojf khall: nice! 13:56 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 13:56 marcelr kidclamp: yes, better do it via rangi 13:55 khall +1 from me as well 13:55 khall drojf: power in numbers, just had a development sponsored by 30 something libraries pitching in very small amounts 13:55 kidclamp hah, I think I have to ping rangi, I think catalyst maintains bz 13:55 marcelr lol 13:55 marcelr is it on now? kidclamp ? 13:54 kidclamp hooray! thanks guys 13:54 drojf +1 # sure why not 13:54 drojf in a magical world where they have money to sponsor :) 13:54 barton +1 13:54 marcelr +1 # just try 13:53 khall and by knowing each other, they can group sponsor work 13:53 khall drojf: I think the idea is to bring awareness to things everyone wants but think only they want 13:53 kidclamp if they complain and comment at least they are involved drojf :-) 13:53 tcohen +1 # it won't hurt anyway, should be announced so people use it 13:53 drojf will that lead to people complaining that stuff they voted on is not magically happening? 13:53 kidclamp if there is opposition I will talk to whoever maintains bugzilla 13:53 Joubu I don't think will get more involvement with that, but we can try 13:52 barton s/Bigzilla/Bugzilla/ 13:52 kidclamp #link https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.0/en/html/voting.html Bugzilla voting 13:52 kidclamp #info kidclamp proposes to add voting to Bigzilla 13:51 kidclamp Joubu had an extra bowl of sass today 13:51 kidclamp heh 13:51 * Joubu is gonna create several bz accounts to vote for his own bugs 13:51 kidclamp the worst consequence I see would be a feature we ignore 13:50 kidclamp I don't think we can search/report that marcelr 13:50 kidclamp and honestly, they don't all want emails 13:50 marcelr the number in the cc list? 13:50 kidclamp adding to cc doesn't give us a count we can sort by 13:50 marcelr but i do not oppose 13:50 kidclamp and devs can see where work might benefit users 13:50 kidclamp the idea being that users can see what matters to other users and gain support for fundings 13:50 marcelr add to cc? 13:49 kidclamp they want an easy way to mark a bug as important to them, even if they can't comment on code or implementation 13:49 kidclamp I have been doing a number of talks with users who want to get involved 13:49 kidclamp interest/importance generally 13:49 marcelr voting on what aspects? 13:48 tcohen +1 13:48 kidclamp https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/4.0/en/html/voting.html 13:48 kidclamp I would like to propose turning on voting in Bugzilla 13:48 kidclamp okay, I have a thing :-) 13:47 tcohen marcelr: Koha::Object::Limit::Library was a try to avoid that 13:47 Joubu marcelr: yes, that's why I start with easy ones 13:46 marcelr some refactoring might create weird new methods in the Koha objects 13:46 tcohen Joubu: I agree 13:46 Joubu but we will be able to clean that a bit when we will have more code moved to the Koha ns 13:46 tcohen and encourage people to look at the ideas behind 17755 13:46 marcelr tcohen++ 13:46 Joubu yes it's very useful for now. Some stuffs are a bit "too much". We have too many objects. And some object's responsabilities are not correctly defined 13:46 tcohen ok, that's it. I wanted to share that I like it :-D 13:45 oleonard tcohen++ 13:45 tcohen it really improved my dev workflow 13:45 oleonard Joubu++ 13:45 tcohen the code looks simple to read, fast to develop 13:45 kidclamp #info see work on using Koha::Object for uploads on bug 17501 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17501 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Koha Objects for uploaded files 13:44 marcelr bug 17501 13:44 tcohen and now find it really handy and looking at Jonathan's work on moving stuff into using it 13:44 kidclamp #info QA and interested parties should look at Koha::Object::Limit::Library on bug 17755 13:44 marcelr uploads is in Koha;:Object too in the NSO queue 13:44 tcohen because I was skeptical about it when I pushed it 13:44 tcohen and encourage you devs to give Koha::Object a try 13:43 tcohen I don't expect you to do it now, just thought worth mentioning 13:43 Joubu Sounds ok to me 13:43 khall I like it! 13:43 tcohen yes 13:43 marcelr should have a closer look first 13:43 tcohen on that specifically 13:43 tcohen I'd like other QAers opinions 13:43 tcohen which in conjunction with multiple inheritance, makes it easy to extend a Koha::Object to provide suche a constraint 13:42 tcohen so i came up with Koha::Object::Limit::Library 13:42 kidclamp #info tcohen is working on moving code to use Koha::Object 13:42 tcohen it is constrained by library (formerly branch) 13:42 tcohen that had something in common with Koha::Patron::Category 13:41 tcohen a simple one 13:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17755 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Introduce Koha::Patron::Attribute::Type(s) 13:41 tcohen my first try on Koha::Object was bug 17755 13:41 tcohen aprroach 13:41 tcohen trying to do a Koha::Object-ify as I touch stuff 13:40 tcohen that I got more into writing code using Koha::Object 13:40 tcohen all this to say 13:40 tcohen but work on borrower_modifications is missing (i.e. handling modification requests for extended attributes) 13:40 tcohen the UI part was done on the bug, and so the CRUD for the opac_editable attribute for extended attributes 13:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make patron attributes editable in the opac if set to 'editable in OPAC' 13:39 tcohen I'd like to share that I started to work on resurrecting bug 13757 13:39 tcohen as this is a dev meeting 13:39 tcohen he 13:39 kidclamp yes 13:39 kidclamp your issue tcohen? 13:39 tcohen is it my turn? 13:38 kidclamp #action kidclamp will send a call out to the list for POD guidelines and draft for a vote next meeting 13:38 kidclamp alright folks...I will volunteer to send something to the mailing list to add to the coding guidelines and compile issues, so fight it out there 13:37 khall agreed 13:37 eythian Joubu: if it's not inline, no one sees it and never updates it. 13:37 khall Joubu: I bet you can find a plugin for $editor that will collapse the pod ; ) 13:37 Joubu PBP++ :) 13:37 marcelr inline++ 13:36 khall inline is all we do ; ) 13:36 Joubu I do not care about the doc when I can see the code 13:36 khall after is what PBP reccomends 13:36 tcohen Joubu-- 13:36 marcelr no Joubu 13:36 Joubu after :p 13:36 tcohen inline 13:36 khall cc_: it's all inline 13:36 marcelr inline 13:36 barton heh. 13:36 cc_ we should adopt a recommended location for POD whether inline or after __END__ 13:36 tcohen yeah 13:36 kidclamp heh 13:36 marcelr rewrite it 13:36 tcohen forget about Search.pm please 13:35 barton There are some things that could really use it though ... holds queue, search.pm... 13:35 khall indeed 13:35 tcohen and are covered by functional tests 13:35 tcohen true 13:35 Joubu I think methods from Koha namespace should be quite easy to document as they are short and do not do lot of things 13:35 barton Joubu: I don't have enough time to write a *lot* of POD ;-) 13:34 kidclamp and maybe send to the mailing list to vote next meeting? 13:34 kidclamp anyone volunteer to work up the guidleline for POD going forward? 13:34 kidclamp #action Barton volunteers to write POD for existing docs, brief POD 13:34 Joubu barton: please don't be too verbose :) 13:34 * tcohen revisits his latest patches and finds incomplete PODs 13:33 oleonard So we wait and vote on a specific proposal? 13:33 khall yes, we need a template 13:33 barton Ok, I'll volounteer for writing POD. 13:33 Joubu to have good examples of what we are expecting 13:33 khall I know there is a full chapter on documentation 13:33 marcelr and be pragmatical 13:33 Joubu I think we need a volunteer to write the POD for existing methods 13:33 khall I'd be interested to know what Perl Best Practices has to say on it, if anything 13:32 barton tcohen: I'm fine with tabeling the discussion; I'll try and come up with some better examples. 13:32 marcelr decide: just add this to perl13 13:32 tcohen can we decide or should we schedule this for another meeting? 13:31 barton ^^ I'm with tcohen there. 13:30 barton a small change is made to a module that doesn't have much documentation... 13:30 tcohen I'd say the type for params and return values is the minimum we should require 13:30 Joubu I don't think PERL13 is applied appart from SearchSuggestion 13:30 barton I think that there are a lot of times when the grandfather clause is used when something isn't documented... 13:29 Joubu so we need to decide what we want in our POD... 13:29 marcelr harder is writing that for an interface change as mentioned by cc_ 13:29 tcohen at least the type of the stuff that is returned 13:29 barton Ok, so here's part of my quandry ... 13:29 tcohen i think a minimal POD should be required on QA 13:28 kidclamp it was proposed to add POD coverage to the QA script, but I don't know fi there was consensus 13:28 kidclamp #link https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ In perldoc even simple code could benefit form POD 13:26 kidclamp #info POD coverage should be checked during QA per coding guideline PERL13 13:26 barton Joubu: I found that a lot of the Koha::Objects don't have any... 13:26 eythian https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ keep in mind it goes here too, so the code may not be immediately visible. 13:25 cc_ we should stress if an interface changes the change should update existing pod doc 13:25 marcelr existing rule 13:25 tcohen :-P 13:25 tcohen it should be documented that it returns an array of Koha::Hold objects, though 13:25 marcelr perl13 13:25 Joubu barton: do you have something specific in mind? 13:25 Joubu sub get_holds # well, it returns holds you know 13:24 Joubu but when the code is self-explanatory, it's not necessary useful to add pod 13:24 kidclamp is there a coding guideline? 13:24 Joubu it's already what we do I think 13:24 kidclamp this came up in the last meeting on November 9th 13:23 barton I hate to put more work on the QA team, but I also hate not having documentation for everything. 13:23 marcelr we normally should do that already? 13:23 barton I'd like to suggest that we make lack of developer documentation, e.g. POD, something that is an automatic failure in QA. 13:22 kidclamp and I added something to the agenda after that :-) 13:22 barton kk. 13:21 tcohen after barton, I'd like to highlight something 13:21 kidclamp I think the floor is yours barton 13:21 kidclamp #action kidclamp and tcohen will be looking at bug 17196 13:20 tcohen I will QA it too 13:20 kidclamp agreed :-) 13:20 Joubu 2 QAs would not be superfluous 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move marcxml out of the biblioitems table 13:19 kidclamp I plan on testing bug 17196 in the next few days 13:18 khall excellent, thanks! 13:18 Joubu khall: yep! 13:18 khall I will try to pitch in on qa. I would appreciate it if you could push anything I pass, just as a sanity check 13:17 kidclamp same boat here, working on what I can, if directed to any specific bug I am happy to make time but general QA sometimes gets missed 13:17 Joubu yes I think so 13:17 khall Joubu: do you now have push rights to the master branch? 13:16 tcohen I try to QA some stuff, but have a growing backlog on my side too 13:16 Joubu I pingued the QAers last week, but no answers 13:16 AndrewIsh pinging ashimema 13:16 Joubu yes that's enough, nothing more to do about that 13:16 kidclamp in maintaining the queue 13:16 marcelr did you mean that , Joubu? 13:15 kidclamp #info The QA queue is growing and Joubu needs help 13:15 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 13:15 LibraryClaire cait is currentlly AFK 13:15 kidclamp okay jumping 16.11 to gen disc. 13:15 khall 63 bugs in signed off queue atm 13:15 gveranis_ yes developer documentation could be useful 13:15 khall sounds good. let's start with the qa queue and then go to developer documentation 13:15 kidclamp cait still here? 13:14 kidclamp no coding 13:14 kidclamp if noc doing guidelines we can jump to general discussion for both of these 13:14 barton developer documentation, that is... 13:14 Joubu as usual, but the queue is growing too fast, I cannot maintain it alone (and don't want to) 13:14 barton I'd like to talk a bit about documentation... 13:14 marcelr this is about coding guidlines? 13:13 Joubu ok, so, I need help on QA 13:13 kidclamp nothing in the agenda but floor is open for anyone 13:12 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines 13:12 kidclamp moving on if no more here 13:11 kidclamp #action Joubu will remove Mozilla Persona and rebase his work on top 13:10 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 13:10 Joubu I can take it (the drop) and rebase the other one on top 13:10 oleonard I just mean we should work to remove it before Mozilla kills it dead, rather than just let it break by Mozilla's hand or ours. 13:09 drojf i don't think we can keep it working when mozilla kills it 13:09 drojf "Mozilla announced in January 2016 plans to decommission the service by the end of the year." 13:09 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY, USA 13:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17486 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove 'Mozilla Persona' as an authentication method 13:09 josef_moravec_ bug 17486 13:09 khall It will be shut down in December 2016 13:08 oleonard it shouldn't be broken before we officially remove it though should it? 13:08 huginn 04Bug 17554: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move GetBorrowersWithEmail to Koha::Patron 13:08 khall I had thought the same thing 13:08 kidclamp #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17554 Bug 17554 13:08 drojf why does it say persona needs to be tested, isn't that dead? 13:08 kidclamp #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=16846 Dependencies and progress 13:08 Joubu tcohen: I can resubmit a test plan without that part if you like :D 13:08 kidclamp #info Koha Patron bugs should be helped along 13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17554 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move GetBorrowersWithEmail to Koha::Patron 13:07 Joubu bug 17554 13:07 tcohen but the test plan includes PKI authentication and something else 13:07 Joubu so "green" are not really green as they need to be rebased (status=blocked) 13:07 marcelr :) 13:06 tcohen it is trivial that it works 13:06 kidclamp bug numbers? 13:06 Joubu https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=16846 13:06 tcohen there's one bug that it is not easy to test, the GetBorrowersWithEmail one 13:06 Joubu I plan to continue the rewrite, but I need stuffs to move forward, otherwise it's to painful to maintain up-to-date 13:06 Joubu things are waiting for QA and push 13:05 tcohen is it something that will be pushed with some priority? 13:05 tcohen what is the status of the Koha::Patron implementation? we are waiting for it to complete the REST endpoint 13:05 tcohen i wanted to ask 13:05 khall this is a judgement free zone ; ) 13:04 kidclamp light meeting so anyone feel free to add their thoughts :-) 13:04 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke 13:04 khall that is all ; ) 13:04 khall I'm starting to push enhancements to master again 13:04 kidclamp Mr. RM? anything form you 13:04 gveranis_ #info George Veranis Thessaloniki, Greece 13:03 kidclamp #topic Announcements 13:03 AndrewIsh #info Andrew Isherwood, PTFS Europe Ltd 13:03 petter #info Petter Ã…sen, Oslo Public Library, Norway 13:03 kidclamp last call 13:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA 13:02 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany 13:01 d_antonakis #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens, Greece 13:01 LibraryClaire #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany 13:01 cc_ #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd 13:01 josef_moravec_ #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic 13:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 13:01 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 13:01 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands 13:01 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions 13:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 13:01 kidclamp #topic Introductions 13:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016' 13:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 14 13:01:09 2016 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:01 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016 13:00 khall lol 13:00 kidclamp lets do it then :-) 13:00 cait cool 13:00 kidclamp I yam 13:00 cait kidclamp: are you chaiing the meeting? 12:58 khall hi LibraryClaire! 12:58 LibraryClaire hi khall 12:56 tcohen hey khall 12:56 khall mornin all! 12:54 kidclamp and LibraryClaire and cait and oleopard, et al. 12:53 kidclamp hiya tcohen 12:53 tcohen hi kidclamp! 12:53 cait LibraryClaire:++ :) 12:53 wahanui kidclamp is, like, rockin the stache 12:53 LibraryClaire hey kidclamp 12:52 * LibraryClaire tries to train the bot 12:52 kidclamp morning #koha 12:51 wahanui :) 12:51 LibraryClaire wahanui: botsnack 12:51 wahanui hi oleopard 12:51 LibraryClaire hi oleonard 12:50 oleonard Hi all 12:48 LibraryClaire hey tcohen 12:34 tcohen morning 12:09 rsantellan hi marcelr 12:08 marcelr hi rsantellan 12:08 rsantellan good morning #koha 12:08 marcelr eythian: 12:07 eythian hi marcelr 12:04 marcelr hi #koha 11:40 taz tx 11:39 taz k 11:39 Joubu taz: you must use the latest of the 3.20.x. Keep in mind that this branch is no longer maintain and it would be better to upgrade to 16.05 or 16.11 11:38 taz 3.20.2 11:37 taz 3.20 11:37 taz no 11:37 Joubu taz: Are you using the latest, 3.20.15? 11:35 taz i am trying to migrate to newer version of koha and have backup which i dont know from which version backup is after upgrade to 3.20 when i carry out search and click on a particular record it throws error as "DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.constrainttype' in 'field list' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm" how to sort out this error 11:18 drojf later #koha 11:12 drojf mtj: i think what was on there now went in via another bug at some point. i have to fix the nightlies so i can make them do automatic patches again 11:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17111 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable/16.05.x) 11:10 mtj ok done :) Bug 17111 - Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable/16.05.x) 11:08 drojf mtj: i don't see why not 11:07 gveranis_ cait: yes I converted , thanks 11:06 cait yeah not sure i get it :) but hope you will wave and scream if i forget something 11:06 mtj drojf: could we rename bz17111 to s/oldstable/16.05/' perhaps? 11:05 drojf cait: yes. i added you to the control file bug already 11:05 cait gveranis_: in 2 hours i think 11:05 cait drojf: will you let me know if you need something in 16.11 for packages? 11:01 drojf it has been a bit chaotic last term and i had to do a bit of post production for many releases, i'd like to change that this term 11:01 drojf i will add you to package related bugs when i find them 10:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15200 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , t/Creators.t fails when using build-git-snapshot 10:59 mtj thanks for reminding me about bug 15200 too 10:57 mtj yes, exactly ^ 10:56 drojf mtj: i will clean the repos from old dependencies we don't need anymore and want to have a way to stay on a certain version too while i do that 10:56 mtj cool, i thought you might have :p 10:55 drojf mtj: yes, i have 10:55 mtj drojf, have you thought about creating 16.11 and 16.05 release pockets? 10:52 * mtj waves to Joubu, gveranis_, paul_p :0) 10:38 Joubu gveranis_: yes, 13 utc 10:36 gveranis_ Do you have today developer meeting ? 10:35 paul_p hi gveranis_ ! 10:34 gveranis_ hi paul_p 10:34 gveranis_ hi paul 09:33 mtj rangi, oops, thanks for that, i'll fix now 09:27 huginn d_antonakis: The current temperature in SV1JST, Glyfada, Greece is 9.1°C (11:27 AM EET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling). 09:27 d_antonakis @wunder Athens, Greece 09:26 AndrewIsh oooh, that sounds lovely magnuse, we've only had a few days of properly cold weather so far this year, i'm holding out hope though. our last few winters have been mild and damp, no snow at all last year, apart from on the mountains, not fun :( 09:26 huginn josef_moravec_: The current temperature in Dlouha Trebova, Dlouhá TÃ…™ebová, Czech Republic is -0.5°C (10:25 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 09:26 josef_moravec_ @wunder Usti nad Orlici 09:25 josef_moravec_ AndrewIsh: probably too much Pragues ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_(disambiguation) 09:24 huginn josef_moravec_: The current temperature in Praha / Ruzyne, Czech Republic is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 09:24 josef_moravec_ @wunder Prague, Czech Republic 09:24 magnuse we had perfect winter weather this last weekend. -5, bit of snow. now it's kust grey and wet 09:24 AndrewIsh oh no, who stole prague?! 09:24 huginn josef_moravec_: Error: No such location could be found. 09:24 josef_moravec_ @wunder Prague 09:24 AndrewIsh hmmm, too mild here too! 09:23 huginn AndrewIsh: The current temperature in Machynlleth, Machynlleth, United Kingdom is 8.0°C (9:23 AM GMT on December 14, 2016). Conditions: . Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). 09:23 AndrewIsh @wunder machynlleth 09:23 magnuse so it is 09:22 AndrewIsh s/to/too 09:22 AndrewIsh magnuse: hi! wow, that's faaar to mild for mid-December 09:22 magnuse spring is here! 09:22 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 7.0°C (10:00 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 09:22 magnuse @wunder enbo 09:21 magnuse hiya AndrewIsh 09:17 AndrewIsh morning #koha 09:07 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 09:07 rangi @later tell mtj theres an atomicupdate still in 16.05.x (in the 16.05.06 release) http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=d02b7cf5297b4efbc763e5e79fc8e7d8e4088918 this should be shifted to updatedatabase.pl 09:05 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 3.9°C (10:02 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 09:05 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz 09:05 eythian fog sure is right 09:04 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 10.3°C (10:02 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 09:04 eythian @wunder jordaan, ams 08:58 magnuse yes https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_December_2016 08:56 josef_moravec_ magnuse: i think so ;) 08:53 magnuse meeting in about 4 hours, right? 08:38 sameeenz what's going down? 08:38 sameeenz hi fridolin 08:35 fridolin hiethere 08:19 sameeenz lols. 08:19 sameeenz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUcT3z2lcmU 07:58 LibraryClaire morgen drojf 07:46 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 07:46 drojf @later tell tcohen what version on what os? is there a bug for it? 07:45 drojf morning #koha 07:43 alex_a bonjour 07:42 wahanui hello, sophie_m 07:42 sophie_m hello 07:34 cait bbiab 07:34 * LibraryClaire waves to cait 07:34 LibraryClaire hi reiveune, hi jajm 07:33 wahanui que tal, jajm 07:33 jajm hello 07:33 reiveune hello 07:21 * cait waves 07:19 LibraryClaire morning #koha 07:13 * magnuse waves 05:49 sameeenz Evening fam. 00:34 rangi bobb++ 00:34 wahanui bobb has karma of 22 00:33 rangi karma for bobb