Time Nick Message 23:04 wahanui kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox 23:04 andreashm and Kohadevbox! 23:02 * andreashm is happy to see progress on the REST API 23:00 reiveune bye 22:58 andreashm hi cait and liw btw 22:58 andreashm I have basically no idea what qvarn is, but it sounds interesting/promising! 22:58 * liw has checked minutes and will be mailing about qvarn to the list 22:57 * cait missed most of it too 22:56 liw me too (was travelling) 22:54 dcook me too 22:53 * andreashm reads the log. Seems like I missed yet another meeting. 22:52 andreashm well 22:52 andreashm we'll you never really know. just got to roll with it. 22:51 dcook I thought I brought it home, but since I'm the last one to get better... I'm guessing not 22:51 dcook We have quite a few friends with kids now, so I wonder sometimes if that's where this latest bug has come from 22:51 dcook Hehe. Yeah, I've been thinking about that. 22:50 andreashm Good that you've managed to stay away from most of it! Just wait 'til he grows old enough to start interacting with other kids. that when the fun times begin (in regards to getting sick) 22:48 andreashm Or for the kids to be. This autumn has been pretty terrible with that.... constantly one or the other being sick. Sigh. 22:48 dcook My nephews seem to get sick all the time 22:48 dcook In 9 months, I think it's only the second time, so can't complain too much 22:48 dcook It's certainly not fun. We've been lucky not to get sick much in this first year 22:47 andreashm Ouch. I hat being sick. 22:47 dcook Going to read it in just a couple of minutes :) 22:47 andreashm Sent you and e-mail a few hours ago btw, but sure you saw that already. 22:47 dcook Oh, we were all sick for a bit. I'm still in the middle of it, but I think kiddo is mostly fine now. 22:47 andreashm How is everything? Kiddo doing alright? 22:46 andreashm Yeah, I know! 22:46 dcook Haven't been synchronous in ages! 22:46 dcook hey andreashm :) 22:46 andreashm hi dcook! 22:46 * dcook waves 22:45 * andreashm waves 22:40 dcook Interesting... the internet and my computer disagree on AEST->UTC conversions.. 22:35 dcook thd: That's cool. Cheers. 22:32 thd dcook: https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD 22:31 dcook Speaking of sleep, how are things with the young one, tcohen? 22:30 dcook 3.5 hours ago... sleep :D 22:30 dcook Hmm? 22:27 tcohen 19 UTC 22:27 dcook Oh well 22:26 dcook I guess 13 UTC is 9.5 hours ago? 22:25 dcook heya tcohen 22:24 thd dcook: I am looking for the link now. 22:24 tcohen hi dcook 22:20 dcook meeting times popularity survey? 22:14 thd rangi: We need to find perhaps two times from the meeting times popularity survey and be much in the same position as we had been before the survey. 21:41 tcohen1 thx 21:37 rangi yes 21:36 tcohen1 am i online? 21:28 tcohen hi 20:55 eythian Think last time I did KL via Brisbane 20:54 eythian Singapore is fine, been there a goodly number of times. 20:54 rangi shanghai 20:54 rangi HK, bangkok, singapore 20:54 cait i was mostly a zombie by then 20:54 rangi yep 20:53 cait i tihnk mine was... bangkok? coudl that be? 20:53 rangi i try to go through it where i can 20:53 rangi singapore is a good airport 20:52 * cait avoided america when she went, it works 20:51 wizzyrea American airports are crap. 20:51 wizzyrea I just meant it's a long trip either way 20:50 eythian Has 20:50 eythian No. Asia had better airports. 20:48 wizzyrea there's no really good way for you to get here from there 20:48 eythian 2/7, remind me not to return via the US 20:47 wizzyrea bah later! 20:47 * wizzyrea goes to sign up 20:47 rangi and now i will go submit some patches 20:47 rangi in good news .. because lets face it, there's a crapton of bad news. nz secret santa starts today too https://nzsecretsanta.nzpost.co.nz/ 20:45 rangi i only got 4/7 20:44 rangi https://www.qzzr.com/c/quiz/272558/movingtonewzealand :) 20:44 wizzyrea true. The current place has 2 lower terraces, and 2 upper terraces (and the one where the house is) 20:43 eythian If wizzyrea hadn't moved, there would have been a small forest up behind her house 20:43 kidclamp bag: get work started on the bywater NZ complex 20:42 kidclamp so next kohacon in NZ we all come and stay forever 20:42 wizzyrea I don't own mine but you could probably get a tent up there. 20:41 rangi i have a big section, you can build a koha retreat up the back of our house 20:41 * kidclamp is happy to relocate to another country 20:41 kidclamp I think the best solution is we all rent an apartment together 20:38 thd The analysis of the meeting schedule preference survey has taken too much of an all or nothing approach to meeting times. 20:36 kidclamp thank you #koha 20:36 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_9_november_2016.2016-11-09-19.03.log.html 20:36 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_9_november_2016.2016-11-09-19.03.txt 20:36 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2016/development_irc_meeting_9_november_2016.2016-11-09-19.03.html 20:36 huginn Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 20:36:47 2016 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 20:36 kidclamp #endmeeting 20:36 * kidclamp takes that opportunity 20:36 kidclamp #info Next meeting December 14th, 13 UTC 20:35 cait ok for me 20:34 kidclamp alright I am suggesting Dec 14 - 13 UTC? 20:34 thd I much prefer morning UTC time. 20:33 kidclamp so when we stage the revolt, it should be at 13UTC? 20:33 rangi (its 2am nz time) 20:33 rangi not that that should stop you 20:33 kidclamp heh 20:33 kidclamp if we want to meet then 20:33 rangi ill never be at a 13 UTC one 20:32 rangi just fyi 20:32 kidclamp no worries, two weeks out is day after release? 20:32 thd 14 is problematic for me where 13 is less so. 20:32 * cait will be quiet 20:32 cait ah sorry, no, that's next general 20:31 cait hm today is 14 20:31 kidclamp 13 works for me 20:31 cait hm were 20:31 cait 10 and 19 where the last 2 meetings 20:31 thd Very much better than the present time. 20:30 kidclamp it looks like 13 UTC was most popular? 20:29 kidclamp heh, it's good discussion to have 20:28 kidclamp do we have a two times set now from survey? 20:28 rangi theres hours of discussion about privacy :) we can have that another time :) 20:28 kidclamp #topic Set time of next meeting 20:28 rangi lets move on :) 20:28 thd Behaviour generally unmasks anonymisation. 20:27 jirislav which means qvarn would only store personal data like name, surname etc ... with connection to bornumber 20:27 kidclamp approaching 90 minutes I think we can keep that discussion going outside of meeting 20:26 jirislav *is an identifier .. 20:26 jirislav cait: oh, interesting point of view .. borrowernumber actually isn't an identifier which can be treated as an anonymous person 20:26 kidclamp #action rangi or liw will post some qvarn info to listservs 20:26 thd There should always be some means to change or remove data held in accordance with legal requirements and library policy even if pseudo-anonymised. 20:25 rangi kidclamp: yep one of us will 20:25 wahanui :) 20:25 kidclamp wahanui: botsnack 20:25 josef_moravec it would be better to use solution like this than write something own... 20:25 kidclamp maybe liw wants to send out some basic info to listserv, or you rangi? 20:25 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 20:25 cait rangi? 20:25 cait ? 20:25 cait jirislav: not sure exactly, storing a borrowrnumber alone might be ok 20:24 rangi i like the IDP part of it too 20:24 josef_moravec it all sounds interesting.... 20:24 kidclamp I think it is interesting 20:23 rangi liw works at qvarnlabs and would be happy to discuss more i am sure 20:23 rangi like i said, nothing to decide now, but something to research and think about, even if we dont go with qvarn we need to work on making koha more secure around private data 20:23 jirislav cait: this is just statistics & configuration .. or anything more? 20:23 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, Catalyst NZ 20:22 rangi yep 20:22 wahanui hola, wizzyrea 20:22 wizzyrea hi 20:22 cait i think you can keep what can't be linked to a person - if it's anonymous? 20:22 jirislav that's right, if it's scaled properly, it could be even faster than SQL 20:22 rangi or it might be faster 20:22 rangi potentially 20:22 jirislav wouldn't that be a preformance issue? 20:22 rangi jirislav: yup 20:21 thd Is there a Qvarn process for particular users to have data removed as should be required by law in EU or even alter and augment it? 20:21 jirislav okay, so if we decide to use qvarn, what would be left in koha database? i mean .. all of the information related to user would have to be accessed via rest api instead of just mysql socket? 20:20 kidclamp so, things like borrowers/issues/statistics would move out of native db? what would it mean for reporting? 20:20 rangi but I do think it is worth considering 20:20 rangi this is all just stuff to think about at this point 20:19 rangi so it would allow us to store patron data in qvarn, instead of in raw tables 20:19 rangi it has restful https json api 20:18 rangi Qvan can act as a data store and IDP 20:18 rangi (also its just good to do that in general) 20:18 rangi says that anyone deploying systems has to take care that none of this could leak 20:18 rangi the EU has a new act General Data Protection Regulation (which is in transition until the end of the next year) 20:17 rangi about people, and their reading habits 20:17 rangi Koha stores a lot of sensitive information 20:17 rangi so basically 20:16 kidclamp very briefly looked at site 20:15 rangi right, so have people had a chance to have a quick look at Qvarn? 20:15 kidclamp thanks cait! 20:15 kidclamp #topic Koha and Qvarn - http://qvarn.org/ 20:15 josef_moravec jransom: hi ;) 20:14 kidclamp tcohen already mentioned CI updates 20:14 cait that's all from me 20:14 kidclamp #info review critical bugs 17522 and 16340 especially :-) 20:14 jransom hi all 20:14 cait so yeah, lots to do to make this release shine - please help :) 20:13 rangi ah yeah that one is nasty 20:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16430 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Mainpage.pl dies if library is not set 20:13 cait bug 16430 20:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17522 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , opac-user.pl gives error of OpacRenewalAllowed is enabled 20:13 cait bug 17522 20:12 cait 2 blockers especially - one breaks the OPAC if you allow renewals 20:12 kidclamp ah, link name :-) 20:12 cait :) 20:12 kidclamp #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=FIXME%20NOW&sharer_id=1 20:12 cait #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=181688&namedcmd=FIXME%20NOW&remaction=run&sharer_id=1 List of critical and blocker bugs 20:11 cait I have the list of critical and blocker bugs linked from the agenda 20:11 cait testing master, testing updates etc. 20:10 cait i hope i don't repeat something already said 20:10 kidclamp #info please focus on bug fixes for the next release 20:10 cait so please sign off on those and generally focus on bug fixes for a bit :) 20:09 cait there are some problems with failing tests 20:09 cait oh 20:08 kidclamp take it away cait :-) 20:08 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team 20:08 kidclamp cool, next topic 20:08 jirislav sure thing 20:08 kidclamp want to comment on bugs jirislav? 20:07 kidclamp #info 17007 seems to be a subset of 17371 and should be merged 20:07 jirislav kidclamp: right 20:07 kidclamp yeah, 17371 is all crud, 17001 is just get? 20:06 jirislav i could, but it seems like 17007 is in the subset of 17371, so it could eventually be marked as duplicate (17007) 20:06 kidclamp #action Someone involved in REST api should update 'how to' wiki and note guidelines on conflicts and cities endpoint as base example 20:05 kidclamp #info REST api conflicts should be brough up in bugzilla/posted to koha-devel/discussed at dev meeting 20:04 josef_moravec jirislav: do you try it? 20:04 kidclamp yeah, just a thought for proposals 20:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17371 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , REST API: add CRUD for biblios 20:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17007 enhancement, P3, ---, mail, Needs Signoff , REST API: add route to get biblio 20:04 josef_moravec kidclamp: sure 20:04 jirislav well, i think bug 17007 and bug 17371 should be merged - they aren't that different 20:03 josef_moravec kidclamp: as proposals? because there are many endpoint in patches in bugzilla, but just few in master code... 20:03 kidclamp I think we need input from those who have been working on it too 20:03 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Rest_Api_HowTo 20:03 cait but if someone wants to try, sure 20:03 cait hm not sure, might get out of sync too fast 20:02 kidclamp keep new endpoints up to date in wiki too to avoid conflict? 20:02 cait i think having some guidelines and updating the wiki pages for the api dev would be good 20:01 josef_moravec it's all from me now ;) 20:01 kidclamp anyone have differing opinion? 20:01 josef_moravec and vote for one or another, as you say 20:01 josef_moravec maybe just more oftem brings these thing to dev meetings... 20:00 josef_moravec kidclamp: i agree 20:00 kidclamp I don't think there can be a blanket rule though, more when conflicts arise they go into discussion/ out on mailing list/ vote at meeting 20:00 josef_moravec as you can see with these too bugs... 19:59 josef_moravec which is not always true... 19:59 josef_moravec but it's an example when all is simple... 19:59 bag yeah cities is the example 19:59 kidclamp exactly 19:58 josef_moravec kidclamp: 19:58 josef_moravec for CRUD there is nice example of /cities endpoint 19:58 kidclamp tcohen and Joubu proposed a standard at hackfest 19:58 josef_moravec we maybe need more detailed guidelines for API... 19:57 josef_moravec I'm willing to test it.... we really need good REST API 19:57 josef_moravec kidclamp: it would be useful 19:56 kidclamp or to resolve future conflicts too josef_moravec 19:56 josef_moravec thanks cait 19:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17371 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , REST API: add CRUD for biblios 19:56 cait bug 17371 19:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17007 enhancement, P3, ---, mail, Needs Signoff , REST API: add route to get biblio 19:56 cait bug 17007 19:56 josef_moravec kidclamp: it looks like... 19:56 josef_moravec we just need to decide which one should pick... 19:56 kidclamp yeah, I think we don't have the devs most involved in that here today 19:55 josef_moravec thd: exactly 19:55 rangi i've been leaving the REST stuff to others so no opinion on that 19:55 josef_moravec these two bugs solves the similer problems, but in a bit different ways... 19:55 thd grids, fixed sizes :( 19:55 cait not intentionally :) 19:55 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 19:54 kidclamp heh - throwing me to the wolves 19:54 cait sorry, I am late 19:54 kidclamp #info REST API - how to solve "conflicts" in endpoints? For example bugs 17007 and 17371 19:54 kidclamp sounds good, going to keep us moving 19:54 josef_moravec and in rancor modals we use gridos from bootstrap 19:53 rangi ahhh 19:53 josef_moravec we use grids from yui 19:53 rangi i thought we had got rid of all yui stuff already? 19:53 kidclamp I think kyle played with it in his react patches too - bootstrap tables over datatables 19:52 josef_moravec and get rid of yui library hopefully... 19:52 josef_moravec after this is pushed i would like to investigate to use bootstrap more... 19:52 kidclamp any highlights of big things it gains us? 19:52 rangi josef_moravec: i agree, i think push early and tidy it .. too big to get it right first time 19:51 kidclamp agreed - big bugs often go that way 19:51 josef_moravec so would like to have enough time to polish it for 17.05 19:51 kidclamp #info please test bug 16239 to get it ready for early next release cycle to encourage more testing/debugging 19:51 josef_moravec because i think it's almost imposible to push it without mistakes... 19:50 josef_moravec i would like to make it ready when next release cycle starts 19:50 josef_moravec yes more testing of course... 19:50 caboose_ nice 19:50 rangi caboose_: everyone is welcome :) 19:50 kidclamp anything you need josef_moravec? more testing? 19:49 kidclamp all are welcome caboose, the more the merrier 19:49 josef_moravec i have patches and oleonard tested today 19:49 caboose_ ah...sorry I got an email invite to attend...but I think I was invited accidentally! 19:48 josef_moravec rangi: as you say ;) 19:48 bag welcome caboose_ - it’s the koha-dev meeting currently 19:48 caboose_ #info caboose ByWaterSolutions 19:48 rangi ahh yes, we do need to upgrade bootstrap .. i tried that with the academy 2 years ago, it was too hard/big for the 3 days we had 19:48 josef_moravec I started to work on upgrading bootstrap 19:48 tcohen picking Manuel! 19:48 kidclamp bye tcohen 19:48 tcohen cya! 19:48 tcohen have to leave 19:48 caboose_ cool! 19:48 rangi caboose_: we are in a meeting at the moment so a good time to lurk 19:47 caboose_ with ByWater 19:47 caboose_ I am new so kind of just lurking at this point 19:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Failed QA , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client 19:47 kidclamp #info Bootstrap 3 upgrade (Bug 16239) and relating UI changes 19:47 caboose_ hi all 19:47 kidclamp next point 19:47 * kidclamp feels less bad about volunteering Joubu now 19:46 kidclamp #action kidclamp will update the wiki page with academy tag info and link 19:45 rangi keeping that page up to date would be good i think, then we can point people at it 19:45 kidclamp rangi++ 19:45 kidclamp ranig++ 19:45 rangi :) 19:45 rangi we've done the OMGWTFBBQ! one already 19:44 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 19:44 kidclamp #action please tag simple bugs with 'Academy' tag now and year round to help move them along and get people involved 19:44 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/I_want_to_help 19:44 rangi lemme find it 19:44 rangi that needs to be updated 19:44 rangi there is the wiki page i made a while ago too 19:43 rangi kidclamp: tagging Academy now is really helpful for me too, any that dont get done before then, we can do at the academy in january 19:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn 19:43 tcohen bugs that depend on bug 14598 19:42 kidclamp but I think we ended at using Academy to tag low hanging fruit 19:42 kidclamp etc 19:42 kidclamp etxc 19:42 kidclamp I had brought this up initially, we discussed adding a way to mark bugs as sndbox testable 19:41 kidclamp #info Highlight easy to test bugs for beginners (follow-up) 19:41 kidclamp next up is 19:41 kidclamp #action Joubu (has been) volunteered to update qa script for pod 19:41 tcohen I'd volunteer Joubu, who mainly maintains the qa scripts 19:40 kidclamp heh 19:40 rangi heh 19:40 tcohen i think absent people gain the right to be volunteered 19:40 kidclamp someone want to volunteer? 19:39 kidclamp #action POD coverage should be in qa script and a coding guideline added 19:38 rangi yep 19:38 rangi if coverage decreases, tests fail .. something like that 19:38 kidclamp yeah , I think add it to qa script and guidelines 19:38 thd Yes, if you want people to do it put it in the guidelines. 19:38 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~neilb/Test-Pod-Coverage-1.10/lib/Test/Pod/Coverage.pm 19:38 tcohen we could patch the qa script 19:38 rangi or 19:37 rangi we can test POD coverage 19:37 rangi yeah, using devel::cover 19:37 kidclamp shoudl it be coding guidelines? 19:36 kidclamp I agree 19:36 kidclamp hah 19:36 kidclamp anyone have anything to add on that? 19:36 tcohen #vote yes 19:35 kidclamp #info Developer documentation (POD) needs to be a QA issue. 19:35 tcohen shame on me, I wrote several patches for bugs that fix that 19:35 kidclamp so you will fix that :-D 19:34 tcohen because of a patch I wrote :-D 19:34 tcohen lots of tests are raising that waring 19:34 tcohen item-level_itypes set but no itemtype set for item 19:34 kidclamp I think we can move into general dev discussion 19:33 kidclamp #info tcohen, joubu and other investigating 19:33 kidclamp #info odd dependency situation causing error: Undefined subroutine &C4::Circulation::GetItem 19:32 tcohen we didn't find the root cause 19:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Standardize the EXPORT 19:32 kidclamp bug 17600 19:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17599 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Move C4::Circulation::GetIssuingRule to Koha::IssuingRules->get_effective_issuing_rule 19:32 kidclamp bug 17599 19:32 kidclamp Joubu posted two poc I think too 19:32 rangi i can try to get time to take a look, but can't promise it 19:31 rangi hmmm 19:31 kidclamp yeah, I have seen that happen once or twice on a customer server randomly 19:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17591 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Use fully qualified C4::Items function names in C4::Circulation 19:31 tcohen bug 17591 was the wrong attempt to hide the issue (but solve the side effects) 19:31 tcohen we get those on several tests 19:31 kidclamp #info bag says things are going well - kyle shared draft 1 of release notes 19:31 tcohen Undefined subroutine &C4::Circulation::GetItem 19:30 tcohen for smart people to take a look 19:30 tcohen we have a weird dependency situation 19:30 kidclamp #info Joubu working on failing tests 19:30 bag that’s about it from me kidclamp 19:30 bag those patches we’ll push 19:29 bag yes Joubu++ 19:29 kidclamp Joubu++ 19:29 bag but when I say that - I am not sure there is need for feedback yet 19:29 bag yeah - that may not be nessicary since we haven’t had any feedback 19:29 tcohen Jonathan has been working hard to fix failing tests / bugs 19:29 kidclamp tomorrow is second draft of release notes (according to deadlines) 19:29 bag besides that we’re moving along 19:28 bag looking for comments on it - but no rush - we still have a little bit of time 19:28 tcohen http://jenkins.theke.io/job/Koha_Master_D8/ 19:28 bag kyle has shared the release notes 19:28 wahanui bag is, like, in Seattle currently 19:28 kidclamp bag? 19:28 kidclamp #topic Progress on next release (16.11) 19:27 kidclamp :-) 19:27 kidclamp #info vote passed unanimously with 7 yes 19:27 kidclamp it didn't list results, but passed 19:27 tcohen [off] :-P 19:27 bag [off] :P 19:27 kidclamp heh 19:27 bag [off] wish our elections went like that 19:26 huginn Voted on "Should we add a coding guideline to ban id fields in post/put/patch bodies for the rest api?" Results are 19:26 kidclamp #endvote 19:26 kidclamp last call 19:26 bag #vote yes 19:26 josef_moravec #vote yes 19:26 rangi #vote yes 19:26 jirislav #vote yes 19:25 tcohen #vote yes 19:25 thd #vote yes 19:25 kidclamp #vote yes 19:25 huginn Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 19:25 huginn Begin voting on: Should we add a coding guideline to ban id fields in post/put/patch bodies for the rest api? Valid vote options are Yes, No. 19:25 kidclamp #startvote Should we add a coding guideline to ban id fields in post/put/patch bodies for the rest api? 19:25 kidclamp lemme see if I do this right ;-) 19:24 rangi yeah, we can always change rules :) 19:24 kidclamp I say we can vote and add it, and revisit if needed, but seems reasonable 19:24 tcohen they have the id 19:24 tcohen you get the objects list 19:23 tcohen when you hit /endpoint 19:23 rangi right, you do need to get the id from somewhere 19:23 tcohen it is the usual way 19:23 tcohen we just wanted to have it formally approved on a meeting 19:23 tcohen yeah 19:22 tcohen it could include the id 19:22 tcohen is that when you GET an object 19:22 kidclamp and you sent it out on koha-devel - doesn't look like much discussion has come up 19:22 tcohen (otherwise there wouldn't be a dsicussion at all) 19:22 tcohen the tradeoff 19:22 rangi tcohen: it sounds like a good rule to me 19:22 tcohen jirislav: it is, but when you code it, you need to take care of that immutability 19:21 jirislav #info Jiri Kozlovsky, Brno, Czech Republic 19:21 tcohen we all agreed it was a good idea, adhering to that design style 19:21 jirislav I thought the object id is immutable 19:21 tcohen this is a usual scenario and use case 19:21 tcohen so people don't change the object id! 19:20 tcohen we need to add checks to it 19:20 tcohen if we allow it 19:20 tcohen on the other hand 19:20 tcohen it is straightforward to just forbid the id to be part of the body 19:20 bag #info bag Brendan Gallagher 19:20 tcohen and send the new object (PUT) or attributes (PATCH) on the request body 19:20 tcohen /endpoint/{ id } 19:19 tcohen when you update/replace an object you usually hit an endpoint that looks like 19:19 tcohen ok, my thought is that we shouldn't include the ID on the object we SEND 19:19 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 19:19 kidclamp want to add your thoughts? we can postpone vote until more people are around too 19:18 tcohen the RESTful services design is not a closed discussion 19:18 tcohen we had that discussion 19:18 tcohen Martin / Kyle / Jonathan /Me? 19:18 rangi not me 19:18 kidclamp I am not sure who put this proposal, anyone? 19:17 kidclamp #info Proposal - REST: Ban id fields in POST/PUT/PATCH bodies 19:17 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines 19:17 wahanui i heard next topic was a tricky one... 19:17 kidclamp okay, next topic 19:17 kidclamp #action tcohen will investigate options for jenkins and coordinate with laurent @ BibLibre 19:16 tcohen #info substituting jenkins for something else is a really possible option 19:15 tcohen #info If anyone has strong opinions on CI tools, please write to tcohen about it 19:15 tcohen anyway 19:15 tcohen they don't fix it... 19:15 tcohen I just had to downgrade the clover plugin 19:14 tcohen yeah, jenkins is fragile, too much 19:14 tcohen for generating such environments/containers 19:14 tcohen and I also plan to re-use the kohadevbox ansible playbook 19:14 rangi jenkins works .. but it has always been fragile 19:14 tcohen so we don't depend on the underlying OS (from the nodes) 19:14 rangi i think evaluating others is a good idea 19:13 tcohen the plan is to somehow containerize the tasks 19:13 kidclamp do you want to talk with laurent and/or send an emial to devel tcohen? 19:13 tcohen i'm trying to have time to make my mind about them 19:13 tcohen they are all valid options 19:13 tcohen * Travis-CI * Buildbot * GoCD 19:12 tcohen for CI 19:12 tcohen but I'm evaluating another posibilities 19:12 tcohen we could just keep it, provided Laurent/Biblibre agrees and we just change the DNS 19:12 kidclamp #link http://jenkins.theke.io 19:12 kidclamp #info tcohen set a temporary jenkins server until community jenkins is back up 19:12 tcohen in which I set the 'master' branch tasks so we have information for the next release 19:11 tcohen http://jenkins.theke.io 19:11 tcohen I set a temporary (?) server on my own 19:11 tcohen as the Biblibre guy in charge of the server is AFK for a couple weeks 19:11 tcohen only to notice a clean install would just work 19:10 tcohen i spent a lot of time trying to recover it 19:10 tcohen The community jenkins server started to malfunction a couple weeks ago 19:10 tcohen and I won't be aroudn at the end of the meeting 19:10 kidclamp go for it 19:10 tcohen but it is really an announcement 19:10 tcohen I put it at the bottom 19:10 tcohen ah yes 19:09 kidclamp cool, next topic if no one else has announcements? 19:09 rangi thats all i have 19:09 rangi we can get francesca (one of the koha junior devs here) to do us a koha css theme 19:09 jirislav ... hi btw :) 19:08 rangi and with the .rst we dont need specific editors, it is human readable .. so that is much easier 19:08 jirislav That's nice! Read the docs is the right choice 19:08 kidclamp +1 19:08 rangi i am thinking of maybe shifting it to gitlab, so people can do merge requests easier .. i want the barrier as low as possible, it doesnt need to have near as much stringent QA as the code 19:07 kidclamp beat me to it 19:07 tcohen #link http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/sphinx-branch/en/html/index.html 19:07 kidclamp #info rangi is working on updating the manual 19:07 rangi just the manual stuff that people have already seen 19:06 kidclamp Anyone have anything? 19:06 kidclamp okay 19:05 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 19:04 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic 19:04 MKuhn #info Michael Kuhn, Admin Kuhn GmbH 19:04 tcohen /#topic introductions 19:04 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 19:04 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT 19:04 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 19:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_november_2016' 19:03 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Nov 9 19:03:43 2016 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 November 2016 19:03 kidclamp alright, let's get going 19:03 rangi and it tests for spelling errors :) 19:02 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b6c72b2bdc1bb182f7a2046430f8342f0f2c60e <-- now you can go, make spelling 19:01 kidclamp I did too, but nope 19:01 tcohen ah, I thought it was later! 19:00 rangi ahh yep 19:00 kidclamp I'll give a minute or two for anyone else to trail in for meeting 18:59 rangi nearly finished splitting it up 18:59 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=tree;f=en/source;h=2721b49f91a0dec8f81f0a19eeef05ede7b0dad3;hb=aa20e4253c7c6b1a77d8e9b32ed01d616bdd10a6 18:58 josef_moravec rangi: it looks great! 18:58 wahanui kidclamp is rockin the stache 18:58 rangi heya kidclamp 18:58 kidclamp hello all 18:57 rangi for reference, atom has a really good restructured text plugin 18:57 rangi i just like that it is so much easier to work with 18:56 rangi bernardo has been doing some work on it too 18:56 rangi bgkriegel++ 18:55 tcohen rangi, that looks really awesome! 18:54 rangi http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/sphinx-branch/en/html/index.html 18:54 bag ah just missed cait 18:54 bag hi rangi tcohen and cait 18:53 * cait wave 18:50 tcohen hi rangi 18:50 rangi morning 17:00 gaetan_B bye 16:49 Joubu tcohen: see 17599 and 17600 16:19 kchris kchris_away 16:06 kchris tcohen: okay. I will try to start over (vagrant destroy). 16:04 tcohen but my workflow has always been different 16:04 tcohen and that's why it fails for you 16:04 tcohen maybe I'm doing it wrong 16:04 tcohen then vagrant up 16:03 tcohen OR vagrant suspend 16:03 tcohen i usually vagrant destroy 16:03 kchris ok 16:03 tcohen and never vagrant up --provision 16:03 tcohen i never vagrant halt 16:03 tcohen kchris: it looks like you are re-provisioning with SKIP_WEBINSTALLER, and it is failing because it failed creating the database 16:02 LibraryClaire laters #koha 16:00 kchris tcohen: that paste was for you. 15:59 pastebot "kchris" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ansible errors in kohadevbox" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/160 15:55 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:55 Joubu @later tell khall the only safe solution I see so far is to revert the patches 15:55 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:55 Joubu @later tell khall but this won't be the kind of patch (lot of things will be done) to push just before a release 15:54 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:54 Joubu @later tell khall I am writting a patch to move the GetIssuingRules sub out of C4::Circulation to avoir Koha module to use it 15:54 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:54 Joubu @later tell khall you should have a look at 17591, the article request patches put a mess in our tests 15:48 tcohen I paste it in https://snag.gy 15:48 kchris tcohen: I got a screenshot. What is the best way to share it with you? 15:43 cait tcohen++ :) 15:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14598 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn 15:43 tcohen #koha if you want easy patches to sign off, look at bug 14598 'blocks' bugs 15:42 magnuse tcohen++ for doing awesome work on kohadevbox 15:41 cait heh 15:41 tcohen and pull requests are accepted if you think it can be improved 15:40 tcohen of course it is! 15:40 tcohen cait: are you kidding? 15:40 tcohen unless you are fine with admin admin 15:40 cait is thatdocumented yet? :) 15:40 tcohen and of course add your user/pass on user.yml 15:40 tcohen now that you are on 2.0 15:40 tcohen cait: you should use SKIP_WEBINSTALLER=1 CREATE_ADMIN_USER=1 15:39 cait actually i do that already, just shouldn't forget to do a current one before the destry 15:39 cait that's the plan :) 15:38 cait yep 15:38 tcohen so you have it outside 15:38 tcohen dump it in kohaclone 15:38 cait heh not right now anyway, later, much later 15:38 cait can dump my database and then move it 15:38 tcohen go get some tea in the meantime ;-) 15:38 cait ok 15:38 cait hmm 15:38 tcohen just in case, yeah 15:38 tcohen i would destroy it 15:37 cait do i have to destroy my curernt one or can i still use it? 15:37 tcohen yeah 15:37 tcohen to get 2.0? 15:37 cait and then...? 15:37 cait so just git pull? 15:36 tcohen cait: yeah, i tagged it 2.0 as it finally got the whole needed functionality from the original one (and more of course) 15:35 tcohen kchris: take a screenshot of the actual error please 15:34 kchris tcohen: in kohadevbox (jessie, 32 bit), ansible is failing. I get a "retry, use -limit @/home/ckirby/kohadevbox/site.retry" message. Not sure what to do with this. 15:34 cait do i have to do something to update? :) 15:34 cait and yay for kohadevbox 2.0! :) 15:34 cait i am not sure how much testing i will get done before release 15:34 cait next time maybe 15:33 tcohen you can try removing the atomic update file 15:33 tcohen of course 15:33 cait keep an eye out if it happens to you too? :) 15:32 tcohen cait: I dunno 15:32 cait s 15:32 cait because i restarted both mutliple time 15:31 cait hm i think i tried that 15:27 tcohen you might try restarting memcached and then plack 15:25 cait tcohen :) 15:25 cait but the only way to make it stop i found was to disable plack 15:24 cait it might only happen if there is an atomic update too - i haven't verified that yet 15:24 cait and no restarting of anything gets me out of it 15:24 cait it runs in a loop 15:24 cait when i have plack turned on in kohadevbox 15:24 cait ah 15:22 tcohen I didn't 15:22 tcohen hi cait 14:58 cait it was a few days ago 14:58 cait tcohen: did you see my later about the web installer under plack? 14:58 magnuse for those who are better at archaeology than me ^ 14:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17598 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Make use of itemtypes.summary 14:57 magnuse bug 17598 14:56 Viktor You to cait! 14:56 LibraryClaire hey tcohen 14:53 tcohen late morning #koha 14:52 cait and have a nice evening :) 14:52 cait hi Viktor! 14:50 Viktor Opac sv-se for 16.11 is now at 100% I’m going home now :) 14:39 cait but glad you solved it! 14:39 cait ah sorry, had to run around 14:38 magnuse cait: nah, can't even see it if i turn off xslt. will enter a bug for it 14:32 AndrewIsh cait: Just to let you know, Colin just got it, I wasn't passing C4::Search::enabled_staff_search_views to the template. Doh! 14:24 magnuse cait: thanks! 14:09 AndrewIsh cait: And, as I say, all the other template that include this display all the options 14:09 AndrewIsh cait: All I've done is add the stockrotationview option at the bottom 14:08 pastebot "AndrewIsh" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "biblio-view-menu.inc" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159 14:06 AndrewIsh Ah, got it from the topic :) 14:06 AndrewIsh cait: OK, sorry, remind me of the channel approved paste service? 14:01 cait for a start :) 14:01 cait the include 14:00 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 5.9°C (2:55 PM CET on November 09, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 14:00 eythian @wunder jordaan, ams 13:59 AndrewIsh cait: My view template or the menu tabs template include? 13:56 cait what does the template look like, can you paste? 13:56 cait AndrewIsh: still good to catch that 13:56 cait magnuse: i never figured it out, i think reslut list without xslt maybe (very maybe) 13:54 AndrewIsh cait: Indeed, Colin here just pointed out that I wasn't passing flagsrequired to get_template_and_user, which I am now, but doesn't seem to have helped in this case... :( 13:51 magnuse hm, where is itemtypes.summary supposed to be displayed? 13:47 cait not checking the prefs int he template yet, as this is older than the opac files 13:47 cait might be a perl variable 13:47 AndrewIsh cait: Yet, if I click on one of those tabs, the template displays all the options, so it feels like that template is getting something that mine isn't that is enabling it to determine what options to display 13:46 cait there are systempreferences for some of those 13:46 cait hm 13:45 AndrewIsh cait: The missing tabs are MARC, Labeled MARC, ISBD, Analytics, & Subscription(s) 13:42 cait if you tell us which tabs are missing, maybe we can figure it out :) 13:42 wahanui could it be permissions is it only keyword searches or all searches? 13:42 cait but could it be permissions? 13:42 cait AndrewIsh: not sure i understand the problem 12:53 * AndrewIsh keeps digging... 12:53 AndrewIsh Looking at the options not being displayed, it's all the ones with privilege bindings, i.e. can_view_labeledMARC So, clearly I'm not passing them to the template. 12:38 AndrewIsh I should say that *some* of the tab options are being displayed, just not all of the same ones as moredetails' template 12:36 AndrewIsh The example I'm referring to is moredetail.pl, that passes $loggedinuser, which I've tried, to no avail 12:35 AndrewIsh Hey everyone. I'm adding a view to the Catalog intranet views, all going well so far with one exception. In my template I'm including biblio-view-menu.inc, however, on my view the list of options it's offering are truncated compared to other tabs (Normal, MARC etc.) presumably I should be passing something to the template to help it know what tabs to display, any idea what? 11:49 * cait waves 11:28 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:28 Joubu @later tell khall please push followup on bug 16520 10:58 LibraryClaire \o/ 10:57 Viktor And it’s back! :) 10:56 Viktor Thanks LibraryClaire and Magnuse. I got word from Bernardo who says it will probably be back soon. 10:43 wahanui i guess lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting 10:43 magnuse oh well, lunchtime 10:43 magnuse Viktor: down for me too 10:39 LibraryClaire Viktor: it's down for me too 10:39 kidclamp hi LibraryClaire 10:39 LibraryClaire hi kidclamp 10:38 * kidclamp waves 10:30 Viktor Kia ora @magnuse 10:30 Viktor Is translate.koha-community.org down? Don’t see anything on the lists or in the chat logs but server seems down for me 10:29 magnuse kia ora Viktor 09:55 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (10:50 AM CET on November 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 09:55 magnuse @wunder enbo 09:22 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 5.9°C (10:18 AM CET on November 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 09:22 LibraryClaire @wunder Konstanz 09:15 smon i see, thanks 09:07 Joubu the script has been split 09:07 Joubu smon: misc/export_records.pl 09:05 smon hi! how do i run export.pl from the command line? i mean in order to generate marc, i just found a script that generates the interface html 08:50 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Geuzenbuurt Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 3.1°C (9:50 AM CET on November 09, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). 08:50 eythian @wunder Jordaan, ams 08:32 LibraryClaire hi Joubu 08:30 Joubu (my vps has been trumped) 08:29 Joubu heh, back 08:26 LibraryClaire hi gaetan_B 08:25 gaetan_B hello 08:22 alex_a_ hugs++ 08:10 * LibraryClaire sends hugs 08:09 alex_a_ :'( 08:08 magnuse guten morgen BüchereiKlara 08:08 LibraryClaire hi magnuse 08:07 * magnuse is barely able to wave 07:47 reiveune hi LibraryClaire 07:46 LibraryClaire hey reiveune, hey alex_a 07:39 alex_a hello 07:34 reiveune hello 07:22 wahanui somebody said fridolin was busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix 07:22 LibraryClaire hey fridolin 07:22 fridolin hie there 07:13 LibraryClaire morning #koha 06:41 cait hm no Joubu 06:14 bag omg 05:19 * dcook would be interested in the final voter turnout figures.. 05:19 dcook Whereas surely no one thought Trump would actually win 05:18 dcook I think the Conservatives lost because everything thought they would win, so they tried really hard to oust Harper 05:18 dcook Makes me think about Canada's last election 05:18 dcook I think a lot of people were thinking it would go the other way 05:18 dcook I think everyone is 05:16 bag I am shocked 05:15 dcook We can't gloat about our elected representatives... 05:15 dcook Of course, then you have Australia right there... 05:15 dcook Well, I've never been 05:15 dcook Not a bad option 05:13 bag but I think I am going to New Zealand 05:13 bag I am in Seattle currently 05:13 dcook bag: You're not too far from the Canadian border, although I believe the immigration site has crashed... 05:12 dcook ^ 05:12 bag i can not believe 03:15 tcohen hi 02:12 dcook wizzyrea: Looks like we'll be adding some libraries in the near future 01:31 dcook (https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/howto/setup-git-server-over-http.html) 01:31 dcook Last updated 2016-08-12 01:30 * dcook is curious when it dates from 01:30 jcamins dcook: that document sounds great. 01:12 * dcook blinks 01:11 dcook "Since Apache is one of those packages people like to compile themselves while others prefer the bureaucrat’s dream Debian, it is impossible to give guidelines which will work for everyone. Just send some feedback to the mailing list at git@vger.kernel.org to get this document tailored to your favorite distro." 00:49 dcook I think it should be mandatory that acronyms always be spelled in uppercase 00:48 dcook >_> 00:48 dcook ACRONYMS 00:48 dcook I mean 00:48 dcook Even when you've just told them they're not acronyms 00:46 wizzyrea People always trying to take those MÄori words and make them acronyms! 00:45 wizzyrea hehe 00:45 dcook Bloody acronyms.. 00:45 dcook In that case, hea it is. 00:45 dcook :O 00:45 wizzyrea it's not an acronym ;) 00:45 dcook But cool idea :) 00:45 dcook I think I have a billion other things I should be doing.. 00:45 dcook Anyway... 00:45 dcook Hmm surely HEA should de-dup... 00:44 wizzyrea probably more like 450 because of the dupes :( 00:44 dcook Ahh, I didn't realize there was anything beyond the home page! 00:44 dcook I'm sure that's a fraction of the real number using Koha.. 00:44 dcook 513 libraries, eh? That's cool 00:44 wizzyrea the library list of self reporting libraries in Hea? 00:44 * dcook hasn't looked at hea in ages. 00:44 dcook Which list? 00:43 dcook ? 00:43 wizzyrea (lots of dupes) 00:43 wizzyrea I could link directly there, but the list is rather untidy 00:43 dcook Hmm? 00:43 wizzyrea if there was, this would be a different thing 00:42 * dcook was also curious about de-duplication... as the king of scope creep 00:42 wizzyrea that I can talk to 00:42 wizzyrea but there isn't an api to hea 00:42 wizzyrea to take the hea list, tidy it, and use that in the website 00:42 wizzyrea that was my other idea 00:42 wizzyrea it doesn't, yet 00:42 dcook Mmm, so how does hea figure into it? 00:41 wizzyrea it's not a fantastically tricky process 00:41 dcook Oh, I don't know if they're good ideas or bad ideas. Just curious :) 00:41 dcook If I'm the king of scope creep, then I know a few emperors of scope creep... 00:41 wizzyrea but yes, all of these things could be done 00:41 dcook These are just ideas! haha 00:41 dcook :O 00:41 wizzyrea ;) 00:41 wizzyrea I think you mean "I am king of scope creep" 00:41 dcook Yeah, I like that there's some review 00:40 wizzyrea if the request looks dodgy, we can decline it 00:40 dcook Listen to me go. I should do more QA 00:40 wizzyrea it is gated by the merge request 00:40 wizzyrea but I haven't tried 00:40 dcook too* 00:40 wizzyrea it should work 00:40 * dcook was curious about sorting to 00:40 dcook Say a link instead of just text for the Name? 00:40 wizzyrea I might run the file through a sorter to alphabetise it, we'll see 00:40 dcook What would happen if someone put in HTML instead of plain text? 00:39 * dcook nods 00:39 dcook Agreed 00:39 wizzyrea just a list. 00:39 wizzyrea but I don't want it to be too verbose 00:39 dcook True 00:39 wizzyrea though in truth, we can put as much or as little as we want in there 00:39 dcook I think it's much better this way 00:39 dcook heh 00:39 wizzyrea I'm sure someone will say that's a requirement 00:38 dcook I actually like the idea of not attaching vendor as well 00:38 wizzyrea (the update job needs testing anyway, and there is a capitalisation error on the header line anyway) 00:38 dcook I'm going to ask the boss first, but I'm keen 00:38 wizzyrea stick some of your libraries in there ;) 00:38 dcook hehe 00:38 wizzyrea :) 00:38 wizzyrea NOW IS YOUR CHANCE 00:38 * dcook really needs to look at Gitlab more 00:38 dcook I just noticed Github could do that recently 00:38 wizzyrea cuz it's just text 00:38 dcook Oooh. Nice! 00:38 wizzyrea and, it can be done through the gitlab interface 00:37 wizzyrea my idea was that libraries and vendors are on equal footing submitting merge requests. 00:37 wizzyrea annoying? possibly. 00:37 dcook I guess that could get out of hand too.. 00:37 wizzyrea possible, yes. 00:37 dcook And send merge requests against those? 00:37 dcook Vendors could then maintain individual files themselves? 00:36 dcook wizzyrea: Would it be possible to use a directory instead of just one file? 00:35 dcook Although that reminds me that I have cookies in the cupboard... 00:35 dcook I don't really eat overtop of this one 00:35 dcook <3 00:35 dcook lol 00:35 wizzyrea that usually fixes mine 00:35 wizzyrea flip it over and whack all the crumbs out 00:34 dcook Or more patience :p 00:34 * dcook needs a better keyboard apparently 00:34 dcook I saw the typo before I hit enter but I thought itw as better this way.. 00:34 wizzyrea lool 00:34 dcook Tpoooooooooo! 00:34 dcook Automaaaaagic! 00:34 dcook Damn keyboard.. 00:34 dcook Automaaaaagi! 00:34 dcook hehe 00:34 wizzyrea it's automaaaaagic :D 00:34 dcook Yep 00:34 wizzyrea to the website 00:34 wizzyrea the cooler thing is that nobody has to log in to submit their library there 00:33 dcook I like it more than updating the wiki 00:33 dcook It's a cool idea 00:33 dcook State sounds fine 00:33 dcook I was just asking a question :p 00:33 dcook Hehe. Nope. 00:33 dcook wizzyrea++ 00:33 wizzyrea I'm for being inclusive, but "State/Department/Province/Region/Game of thrones kingship" won't really fit in the header so well 00:32 * dcook thinks State is probably ubiquitious enough to be understod 00:32 dcook Although I guess we also have territories :O 00:32 dcook Since we have states, I don't mind 00:32 dcook hehe 00:32 wizzyrea You are welcome to submit a merge request ;) 00:31 dcook "Provide as much or as little information as you want." 00:31 dcook Does it? 00:31 wizzyrea it just says "leave out anything that doesn't apply to you 00:31 dcook I don't see anything in the readme about that? 00:31 dcook :S 00:31 wizzyrea except to leave it off. 00:31 dcook m/e reads 00:31 wizzyrea mm there's no winning there 00:30 dcook In France, Departments 00:30 dcook Oh, I mean in Canada they have Provinces 00:30 wizzyrea see the readme ;) 00:30 wizzyrea leave it off if you don't use it 00:30 dcook I suppose State is fairly common.. 00:30 dcook Might "Region" be more inclusive? 00:30 * dcook wonders about the label "State" 00:30 * dcook perks up 00:29 wizzyrea anybody can do a merge request to that. 00:29 wizzyrea from library-list.tab 00:29 wizzyrea that's pulled from here https://gitlab.com/koha-community-devs-users/Koha-library-list/tree/master 00:28 wahanui coolness is a factor way the hell down druthb's list, though it's on there. The ability to do druthb's editing in druthb's Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload. So far, I'm happy as a clam with this. I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard. 00:28 bag coolness 00:28 wizzyrea bag: https://koha-community.org/about/libraries/